_meanwhile_ [bigots vibing all over my timeline somehow even though I told RUclips not to recommend those channels and reported several for outright calls to violence]
Well I’m like 99% sure it’s just bc copyright movie clips, not the message in the video. Matt Walsh uses stock footage and royalty free music, for artistic flair ofc
There is alot of anti-trans media my family and even ex-partners have LOVED, and seeing Lily cover each show/movie feels like a checklist of their fave things they wanted me to watch. I avoided alot of these like the plague, or found the specific episodes off-putting enough to stop watching entirely, but now Im trans and things make sm more sense when trying to find new friends/partners.
Damn, for all the good the 90s gave us (SPICE GIRLS) the bad really outweighs the good. At least Bush Sr launched that AIDS campaign that saved countless of gays back in the early 90s. After being ignored by Reagan "Kill the bastards" Ass, it's probably the only good thing he did
Yeah there's a few things my partner and I enjoy as people that are trans/enby that can be borderline transphobic or so, but we would never recommend them to people without a heavy warning. I don't know why you'd insist on someone watching something that you know will actively trigger them. Hope you're doing okay.
@@12Tecpatl Yeah, nice try, you are complaining specifically on TRANS BACKCLASH, not the stricter dresscodes against men in itself, which includes makeup ban Even male leftie politicians has to wear baggy suits and no makeup, unless they dub themselves "trans"
I remember watching this movie as a kid and growing up on Jim Carrey movies. However I never understood why Ace reacted the way he did or understand why everyone was vomiting at the end or how Einhorn was a 'man' when she looked, identified, and lived as a woman. Especially when he was stripping off her clothes the same way White Chicks did. It just confused me and made me so uncomfortable. It wasnt until I was in high school when I basically learned about the lgbt community and trans people I realized he was being transphobic. I remember he did a similar joke in Me Myself and Irene (I think the movie is named) where his other personality used a toy on himself when fronting. The host panicked when he found out and started trying to 'cleanse himself'. Get it? Cause he's not gay guys even though he wasnt fronting when it happen. He's not gay- Just made me upset and uncomfortable that it was trying to portray itself as a joke.
I mean imagine you blacked out and woke up to your butthole being used… i feel like that was the joke, more than just homophobia. Even a straight woman would have that reaction. Its kinda violating. HE never consented to that, as u said, he was not fronting.
@@Futurebound_jpg he wasn't even aware it happened until after it was all over, well into the next day when he just randomly found the toy and asked the girl about it, assuming it was hers till she said it wasn't for her. So it wasnt even him when it all happened. I'm not sure how consent works in the DID space, so I cannot comment on that aspect. It was the way he overreacted to it, and the girl reacting the same way the girl in Ace Ventura reacted to the police's reaction to the trans reveal. Confused how it was a big deal so it just added even more confusion to the viewer on how to react to it.
I was just confused watching those scenes for the first time, when I was 7 or 8. I didn't get why everyone was freaking out either. I just thought: "Are these guys stupid, she's hot" (admittedly not the best take). It introduced me to trans as a concept and how weird it was to respond to her like that. Which is a twisted silver lining? From something awful. I can't imagine how horrible it is to watch as a trans person.
I think it’s important to mention that throwing up + crying in the shower is commonly movie shorthand for people (usually women) who have just been sexually assaulted, so it adds another layer of grossness to the transphobic trope. Like it’s a 1-2 punch of implying a trans woman existing is inherently sexually violent AND a “isn’t it funny that a MAN got sexually assaulted? 🤣” joke :/
I mean it is sexual assault under false pretenses. Like imagine someone had mouth herpes, didnt tell someone mid breakout and convinced em they a good kisser and pu$$y eater. Are they not committing sexual assault?
@@capam15 WHAT LMAO, how is finding out something that wouldn't have affected you in the slightest if you didn't know comparable to contracting a virus??? tf are you talking about???
@@PaintBottle its pretty clear that you view trans people, for example trans women, as something other than women. If theyve completed their surgeries and have no differences to a cis person of their gender, then theres nothing that you would need to know about that would change the dynamic of your relationship. if you believe that the very fact that they used to identify as another gender is enough to change your relationship, then you shouldnt be in that relationship. PS- you have no idea how polyamory works
As a kid I loved the first two acts and thought Carrey was hilarious but the third act always made me uncomfortable. Thank you for putting it into eloquent words.
As a kid being transness wasnt even a concept for me so every time i watched the end of the movie it was just a weird sexual assault scene that made no sense to the plot. I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what violently ripping off this womans clothes had to do with the dolphin case.
Yeah, I seen the movie as a kid and I don't remember how I felt back then but that scene has stuck with me and I know I didn't think it was funny, I probably was just very confused tbh.
Yeah it was weird as a kid. I think so many people finding it confusing as kids shows how transphobia and homophobia are taught and not natural. It isn't nasty or disgusting on its own. This movie is part of how they TEACH kids that transpeople are disgusting.
Big same. Jim was my fave comedian and I was too young to understand this part. When I watched this film again recently I was devastated with what I saw 😢
@@IshtarNike spot on. Bigotry is indoctrinated and it exists in places you usually wouldn't even expect, such as media that jokes about "burning the house down" in case a spider appears or "creatures from your nightmares", then shows a worm. It desensitises people to blatant forms of hatred and discrimination while also teaching them that specific groups, marginalised humans or non-human organisms, are "inherently disgusting" when there is nothing wrong about what someone is, regardless of what they are, only who they choose to be. Anyway, I do believe I hated the ending scene, it made no sense to me and it was just harassment. I felt horrible for her because of my experiences with dysphoria and dysmorphia, and I hated seeing her being humiliated like that, with or without context.
In videos like this, I am reminded of an argument that I’ve heard in mental health circles, but I think it applies here too Every human being is capable of doing bad things, but when people’s only exposure to a demographic is, time and time again, a villain; it can start to paint a picture of the demographic.
Yes. Shows how critical good representation is, and actual education about and involving all sorts of people, too. What's happening in public education in several U.S. states comes to mind: pretending in the classroom that certain groups of people don't exist does so much damage and doesn't actually protect kids from anything.
yep the few people in these comments saying (omg no wonder i normalized s/a was because of this movie) are just struggling mentally with their identity
I like that you bring up Boys Don't Cry as a more accurate film. But it also, for me, exists as an emblem for the need for representation. Little egg me grew up in a household that didn't even accept gay, let alone the idea a person could be trans. But we stole cable, so I got to see that movie on repeat (ah, Christian morality). Anyway, that movie moved me, reached me, and then I saw the lead actress ascend the stage in her sleek red dress, kissing her cis het husband on the way to podium, and I was crushed again. It was a fantasy, there actually wasn't someone like me out there. My hateful mom was right again. It was an incredible film. But that was a shitty Oscars for this queer. I'm happy to see the push for people to get to represent their own lived experiences in films that purport to reflect the reality of human experience, despite realizing that "all actors are acting."
It’s a really good point you bring up about how Einhorn is for all intents and purposes a trans woman. If the way to write this off is “oh well it’s just a costume so that finkle can achieve his evil plan” then show that? Have some kind of dramatic reveal where ace closes the door and einhorn immediately takes off the disguise. This isn’t Finkle committing to the bit, this is just a trans woman who is terribly written
You do realize that Einhorn was a corrupt cop who had already murder one person, kidnapped a man and a dolphin and was trying to kill Dan and Ace right? She commanded her force to shoot an unarmed man. Ace did what he had to do to prove she was behind all of it and save himself from being arrested.
@@Riviwriter actually it does. When Ace proved she was once or is Ray Finkle because of the tucked penis and the incriminating ring. The tucked penis was enough evidence to get Ace off the hook of all the crimes Lt. Einhorn is falsely accusing him of. As well as probable cause to at least arrest Einhorn. The ring though was the final dagger that was able to connect Einhorn to all of the crimes and lead to her arrest.
@@Pope54x all he proved is that Einhorn had a penis. Lily said this in the video, Einhorn could’ve just been some random trans woman and Ray Finkle could still be out there. It’s trying to connect the fact that Einhorn is trans to the stereotype of trans people being deceitful and “lying” about their gender
THANK YOU I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO. I HATED THIS MOVIE. Back when I was a kid I didn't even know what trans people were, but I had been taught from a young age that shaming people's bodies was cruel. So it was a shock to me when a funny movie I liked featured shaming someone's body. I was so confused on why they'd be mean to the trans woman. I hated her for kidnapping the dolphin, I didn't care whether her "thing" was botched in surgery and I didn't consider that funny. And most of all, I hated how when I tried to continue using she/her pronouns for her as a young kid with no knowledge of trans people, my dad "corrected" me and got so angry at me. I didn't understand his anger. What I saw on the screen was an attractive cis woman and I found it ridiculous to refer to her as a he just because of a plot twist I found stupid.
@@Snowbird_89 Why watch a video about transphobia made by a trans creator just to be transphobic? Also, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but this movie itself was transphobic. Getting offended by bigotry is pretty natural.
@@Snowbird_89 Cool. Well, then maybe the thumbnail and title, and the first few minutes of the video should've warned you that you were not the target audience. Watch other Ace Ventura videos. I won't deny that Ace Ventura movies are funny and do deserve analysis, this was just a bad part of this movie.
I wonder if there's something for you to say about that one episode of Full House where Danny and Joey dress up as women to infiltrate a sorority, and how these kinds of stories were kind of Ground Zero for the framing of trans women as predatory men scheming their way into accessing and undermining women's spaces.
"how these kinds of stories were kind of Ground Zero for the framing of trans women as predatory men scheming their way into accessing and undermining women's spaces." It's so interesting how the existence of trans women makes people like you think that predatory cis men trying to gain access to women's spaces _don't exist._
As a kid who loved animals, saw this around the time it came out and got so uncomfortable watching this fun goofy guy start stripping and assaulting this woman in front of everyone while she stood there helpless. I had no idea why it was happening or what it had to do with saving the dolphin or football, so when I rewatched years later my jaw dropped when I realized it was turning into a trans horror story. It's wild that I only remembered it as a silly kids movie and it's still marketed like that today
Even as a kid, I always liked the second one better. That one has plenty of its own problems, too, but at least it didn't have *this*. But I did not realize just how problematic it was until I was older and became more aware of the existence of real-life trans people.
"watching this fun goofy guy start stripping and assaulting this woman in front of everyone while she stood there helpless. I had no idea why it was happening or what it had to do with saving the dolphin or footbal" He was not stripping and assaulting a woman. He was revealing a murderer. A man. Ray Finkel was never trans. He was a man disguised as a woman to hide from cops. Lois Einhorn was a hiker who went missing, and Ray took on her identity through plastic surgery. He may even have murdered her. He was never trans. He is a killer. Ace was revealing a killer, so that killer didn't go on to kill more people.
You didn’t mention the worst part about it. Because Lois was played by a cis woman, was strong, confident and successful, and the narrative mostly revolved around an aspect of her character that wasn’t her transness this was better representation than a lot of us had seen in media at that point.
I agree. It's misogynistic as well as transphobic. A strong woman is the bad guy, and only strong because she's 'secretly a man'. As a teen, I didn't find 'the reveal' funny in the least. It is sad, disappointing, and doesn't even make sense (being trans does not equal being the murderer).
Makes me want to see someone attempt to rewrite the end of the film, replacing Ace's transphobic freak-out and everything that follows. I loved this movie when I was an oblivious little kid and would like to see it fixed.
LOIS EINHORN WAS DEAD BEFORE THE EVENTS OF THE MOVIE STARTED. Jesus Christ, the movie was explicit about it. Lois Einhorn was a hiker who went missing. Ray Finkel, in order to hide from the cops and commit murder, stole her identity through plastic surgery. He may even have murdered the real Lois Einhorn.
Love your voice. It reminds me of my 6th grade history teacher who made me fall in love with weird history facts and stuff. She was one of the best teacher I've ever had and you fill in that hole very well
I know you don't do a whole lot of anime but I'd love to hear your take on Hoshikawa Lily from Zombie Land Saga. She's one of my favorite trans characters from recent media and the episode where it's revealed is handled just so incredibly well.
I love Jim Carry’s character acting but tbh… this guy has joined in on a lot of movies with questionable moments and knowing he’s anti-vax, I get the feeling he might not be a friend irl. 😵💫
I watched a RUclips video called something like "Jim Carey ISN'T crazy", which did shed light on some of his behavior in the public eye outside of his films. But it seems like he has a mindset formed by the movie/book "The Secret" which basically says you just need to wish hard enough and you will get whatever you want, and people who don't get what they want just aren't wishing hard enough. He seems really self-centered, but then again fame does that to a person. He tells a story about how when he was a kid he was really poor, and he wanted a bike so bad that he prayed to Christian God to get one. The next day he got a bike, because his friend entered him into a raffle for a free bike. Therefore, prayer worked. But, did God give him a bike, or did his community see someone struggling and decide to help him? His anti-vax stance was formed by dating Jennifer McCarthy, a supermodel whose son is nuerodivergent and she blames vaccines for his nuerodivergence. This is based on a study that was deemed false shortly after it was published. So it seems to me that Mr. Carey does not value scientific fact and experiences magical thinking.
No famous person is a friend. Once they enter that industry they are handed a card that tells them exactly what fringe conspiracy theories and icky things to believe in they have and they have to follow those things 24/7.
@@maverickREAL I meant friend as in he doesn't seem to be an ally or supporter of trans and other marginalized groups. I also don't think his beliefs were exactly handed to him but something he genuinely upholds himself
I don't know if you're much of an anime watcher but I would be really interested in a video about Ouran High School Host Club and particularly the character of Haruhi's 'dad' Ranka - there's so much to unpack there, the English dub in particular calls her the t-slur constantly. She's basically an okama stereotype in some ways, she's a drag queen, she's not exactly a trans woman but not exactly just a crossdresser either, and it's messy but at the same time she's a character with a lot of humanity and her relationship with Haruhi is very strong and loving and a key emotional point in the story.
The effectiveness of this “joke” is entirely predicated on people finding trans women, and sleeping with them, disgusting. Hence if you’re a kid (like I was) and don’t understand what the problem is you’re just confused and feeling sorry for Einhorn.
I was like nine years old when I saw it and I kind of understood it although I didn’t know how she could look so much like a woman if she was really a man.
@@SleeperInTravel It's not assault in any way shape or form. You are the problem here. This sort of poison is why trans people get raped and murdered all the time in real life. No one is obligated to share their medical history with you. Stop trivializing sexual assault to justify violence.
"The effectiveness of this “joke” is entirely predicated on people finding trans women, and sleeping with them, disgusting." No. The joke is predicated on finding it disgusting to be lied to, and sleeping with someone who you would not have been attracted to if you knew the truth about them. They are disgusted because Ray Finkel lied to them, disguised as a woman, and is implied to have gained their trust through sexual favors. Like date rape. "Hence if you’re a kid (like I was) and don’t understand what the problem is you’re just confused and feeling sorry for Einhorn." *THAT EINHORN NEVER EXISTED.* Or rather, Lois Einhorn was a hiker that went missing, and Ray Finkel had plastic surgery to resemble her. _He may even have murdered her._ If you were confused and felt sorry for Einhorn, it's because you were too young to understand that this was not a woman, it was a male murderer.
@@AlexReynard Transness is not a form of deception. In this specific case, I'll refer to the character referred to onscreen as "Lois Einhorn" as Lois Finkel, to distinguish her from the actual Lois Einhorn; the hiker. The only act of deception Finkel made was in fraudulently assuming the identity of another woman, _not_ in transitioning, nor in having made sexual advances which were consented to by others. The fact that Ventura (like countless other men) reacted so poorly to the information that the person he made out with was assigned male at birth, is a significant reason why most trans people nowadays understand that _it is simply not safe to remain in "stealth mode" while looking for a partner._ Transparency, honesty, and informed consent are key to a healthy, sustainable relationship. Our transness shouldn't be something we feel we need to hide, nor should that information necessarily even _matter._ If someone is honestly attracted to us, as we present ourselves, then let that attraction blossom. Let any labelling of sexuality or worrying what others might think come after the fact. The first problem upon meeting us, if we "pass" in their eyes as our gender; is them simply _assuming we are not trans until proven otherwise_, which is a social heuristic that has never been (and never can be) foolproof. If you don't want to go down on a woman with a dick, _that's perfectly fine._ No, I'm not going to give any ammunition to the "fUcK mE oR yOu'Re A bIgOt" strawman routine. Genital preference is _not_ transphobic. It _would_ be transphobic, however, to refuse to be with someone solely because of the fact _they are trans,_ entirely removed from their actual anatomy/surgical status (or literally anything else about them). You can reject a trans person for _any damn reason you want_, apart from the mere trivia that they used to be a different gender. For obvious reasons, most trans people don't pretend to be a separate individual. We are the same person on either side of our transition; albeit hopefully in a somewhat more comfortable state of being. If Finkel indeed murdered Einhorn before assuming her identity, or committed sexual assault against anyone, then she must face justice. Not necessarily through the carceral system; though her continued evasion of accountability would _not_ be an option.
I saw this movie as I was growing up. At the time, it was really weird. I rewatched it years later as an adult. It was less weird, but significantly more depressing. Both times, the movie was significantly less funny than other people tell me it is.
i'm so upset that i didn't watch this right away when i saw it go up at 4am, i should've expected that it would have needed to be edited. i'm sorry you speaking about our community and what affected it was silenced, lily!
Yeah it was weird as a kid. I think so many people finding it confusing as kids shows how transphobia and homophobia are taught and not natural. It isn't nasty or disgusting on its own. This movie is part of how they TEACH kids that transpeople are disgusting.
I really doubt that but I'm nature over nurture in general. The only things that are taught are information & skills mindsets are all in the brain & u are who ur programming makes u
@@CharlotteSWeb-oh7ou no it's an understanding of human nature I'm sure anyone in an LGBT community can understand the idea that are are who ur brain says u are I can't choose not to be bi anymore than I can choose not to be an anti-authority rebel not that I would choose not to be either
The movie does not teach kids that trans people are disgusting. That is, unless your definition of trans is "a male murderer who steals a woman's identity after she goes missing (he may have even murdered her)". I cannot understand why everyone in these comments thinks Ray Finkel is trans, or that Einhorn was a victim of sexual assault. The real Lois Einhorn was dead before the movie started. It's as if, because trans people exist, that means that there's never been a case of a predatory cis man pretending to be a woman. So we can't criticisize predatory cis men, because if they deliberately lie and misrepresent themselves as women *to commit crimes,* we have to call that "trans" and respect it. No, no, no, no. That is not what trans is and it's insane to conflate the two.
@@teddybaker4759 That's a false equivalence, and it's been scientifically proven that bigotry is taught. I don't mean to be rude but this is a form of wallowing.
I think part of the problem is that in a detective story there is an innate desire for every mystery to be resolved. The problem is that as written the einhorn situation is not relevant, so had no reason to be revealed. A better example of working that kind of twist into a mystery is in the second phoenix wright game with a character who got reconstructive surgery but used her deceased sisters photo. Not only is revealkng that relevant to her motive but you still have to prove that she committed the actual murder as those games not only make you solve every mystery, but also link thrm propetly too.
I'm going to make a couple suggestions of movies to talk about. One of them a movie with transphobia almost as bad as Ace Ventura, and one that has fairly good trans representation. The transphobic one is Soap Dish which predates Ace Ventura by a few years. The trans character is outed against her will on live television and it's strongly implied that the character detransitions at the very end. On the other end of the spectrum is The World According to Garp, while not perfect (the trans character is played by a cis man) the character is portrayed sympathetically and if I remember correctly everyone treats her like a woman.
God, I hated Soapdish because of that ending. It was such a good, fun, campy movie up until literally the last five minutes when the whole resolution to the story was disgusting bigotry. It would be like if there was a movie from the 50s where a love triangle gets resolved with one character being outed as black, and only passing as white, and thus being removed from society. Just such a waste of great premise and cast.
@@d3l3tes00n Huh, it's been a while since I've seen it (haven't seen it since I saw it in the theatre when it came out) but I distinctly remember RDJ looking disgusted when he found out, and the implied detransition was at the very end you see the marque at a dinner theatre and her deadname is listed as starring in the show she is doing there, or at least that's my memory of it.
One thing I didn't mention in the comment on the previous upload is how unnecessary it is that Ace reveal Einhorn's transness at all, anyways. Why did the movie forget that Dan Marino was right there? I mean, it didn't in the sense that Dan points out the tuck, but that's not how he could have proven everything. He was abducted by Einhorn, who revealed this to him. He was right there watching as Ace came in to save him and Einhorn made the radio call and implicated Ace. He's not unconscious during any of this and isn't gagged in any way, and all he has to say is something to the effect of "Einhorn is the one who kidnapped me". Did they really think the testimony of the kidnap victim, who is also a famous professional athlete, would mean nothing in such an instance?
As someone who has never watched the movie, and thus all my knowledge comes from this video and the comments, this is an absolutely insane thing to learn! Just,,,, all of the transphobia could’ve been entirely avoided AND it would’ve been a more plausible ending
Yes, hahaha! Honestly. And during their investigation, they could've found that Einhorn and Finkle were the same through fingerprint comparison. No need to violently disrobe someone against her will. They should've arrested her *and* Ace after this scene.
"One thing I didn't mention in the comment on the previous upload is how unnecessary it is that Ace reveal Einhorn's transness at all, anyways." EINHORN WAS DEAD. EINHORN NO LONGER EXISTED. The movie explicitly said that Lois Einhorn was a hiker who went missing. Ray Finkel, in order to hide from the police, stole her identity through plastic surgery. It's ambiguous whether he murdered her. Einhorn is not a trans woman. She's a dead woman. Ray Finkel is a cis male murderer.
@@karabearcomics Allright. And, looking back over your comment, your logic is perfectly sound. [sigh] I just felt like I was losing my mind reading these comments. Nearly everyone here sees a character that is shown to be an inhumanly-obsessed crazy murderer, and they feel sympathy for him. More than that, the people who insist you shouldn't judge gender by appearance alone are insisting Ray Finkel is trans based on appearance alone. It's mind-boggling.
Interesting how he sexually assaults a character played by a cis woman actress, on screen, for the (male) audience's pleasure, in order to police her gender, out of the fear she is trans. Says some shit.
In the 80s, Revenge of the Nerds, which was a very popular movie of the time, had a group of nerds and freaks. An openly gay guy was placed in their group as one of the freaks. That same movie had the gang install hidden cameras in the girl's dorm bathrooms and bedrooms and the guys sat around watching the girls undress and dress all day. They also printed pictures of them naked and sold pies with the pictures fixed to the bottom of the trays for fund raising for their fraternity. More, one of the nerds pretended to be a popular girls boyfriends in a halloween costume so he could trick her into having sex with him. Go to later and there's a series Verronica Mars where in the third season, one of the guys Veronica knows is part of a fraternity who basically are open about trying to roofie ladies for sex. While the main character is actually fighting this with volunteers, none of the faculty or the police get involved to even slap these guys on the wrist. Now, I'm not going to justify what happened in any of these shows or claim it isn't that bad. I will say it was different times and that they were less propaganda and more a reflection or society at the time. I was in high school in the 90s. I won't say everywhere was like my school experience, but if there was even a hint put out you were gay, you had to stomp it out. Even a hint could get people mercilessly bullying you or even get you beat up. The attitude shown in the movie wasn't even a blip back then for a high school kid. It was the expected response from people. That isn't to say it was right in any way, it's just the way most people were back then. People today, and especially young people, are so drastically different from how they were back then. Keep in mind for the Nerds movie, those guys that did those things were lauded as heroes in the show and the audiences of that time didn't balk at what happened. Things like panty raids, a ritual where guys would race into a girls dorm and steal the ladies panties off of them and run away with them was considered something that always happened at colleges and universities. It was an accepted norm back then. Different times.
honestly until the reveal of Captain Winky the point of the scene is to make Ace the butt of the joke not Einhorn he keeps trying to prove some point & is repeatedly proven wrong everyone in the room is obviously judging him while he makes a jackass of himself *no one* is oggling Einhorn & actually the movie seems to want u to feel sympathetic towards her. She's visibly uncomfortable so clearly the movie isn't framing her as being on display in a positive way now this is all building up to a rugpool when Ace is proven right, but up until that point nothing about the scene is meant for the *"(male) audience's pleasure"* kind of the opposite actually ur *supposed* to feel uncomfortable
@@haddow777 all the years I was aware of Revenge of the Nerds existence people only said good things about it (it is kind of a funny movie) I'm still shocked that the main character orally raped someone & it's seen as a happy ending how the hell is her reaction a positive one? wth movie?
This film aged like milk left on an Arizona patio. As a kid it always confused me how everyone was more freaked out by the reveal that Einhorn was Finkle than her being a murderer who manipulated her way to the top of the police department. Like, seriously?! As an adult I tried to revisit it, but aside from the problematic 90's "no homo" transphobia message I also realized it was a shitty attempt at mocking The Crying Game.
that *is* the point though. The reveal that Einhorn is Finkle is important because it's the reveal that Ace's boss was the villain of the story who he was looking for all along how do u miss the point of the movie while mentioning the point of the movie?
@@teddybaker4759 I guess to clarify, Ace and everyone else is more freaked out that they've had relations with a man than the fact that same person is a murderer and master manipulator.
@@jamesonp3873 fair. hard to say exactly they probably feel violated. Most straight guys & lesbians *would* feel freaked out that a biological male had kissed them under false pretenses where as cops they'd be more prepared to deal with a criminal & murderer because they're straight up *looking* for that as their job I'm bi & anti-cop so it's hard to put myself in their shoes ______________________________ I will mention that for Ace specifically his first reaction was actually excitement that he'd put the pieces together (he's a little egocentric) then his secondary reaction was being freaked out
This is interesting! I may have misread this scene when I first watched it. I figured with Einhorn portrayed as hypersexual, even flirting with Ace, who she couldn't stand. Thus, when all the police react negatively, I had presumed that she had been similarly intimate with every member of the precinct who was present. Ace's love interest (presumably) hasn't been intimate with Einhorn, so to me that explained why she has no reaction.
I think that is the intended joke here. The only disgust up to that point had to do with having been intimate with her, not generally with trans bodies as a whole. Not trying to defend the movie, just pointing out a specific misread of a particular joke.
glad I got to watch the less censored version earlier today. watched through this one to give you the extra view though. thank you for your videos I love watching them when new ones come out!
i used to watch this movie all the time as a kid, but the third act always felt weird to me. as i got older i learned why, and it's cause of what you've talked about here. nice video! i missed it the first time, but I'm aware of what you showed lol
I think this contributed to me not knowing trans people existed until I was 30 years old. Media presents a caricature of trans people that does not make sense.
"I think this contributed to me not knowing trans people existed until I was 30 years old" I knew about them since I was, like, ten. You'd never heard of Wendy Carlos? Never seen Tron, or A Clockwork Orange, or The Shining? You'd never heard of Chaz Bono? You'd never seen a film by the Wachowskis?
@@AlexReynard All of those are completely possible, yes. I've only seen or heard about half that shit and only one of them stands out in my mind as being related to trans people.
I have no ide who Wendy Carlos or Chaz Bono is, but the Shining and Clockwork orange are R rated movies how did you see them at 10 years old? And Tron is a very obscure movie, I reckon very few people have seen it who arent movie buffs. Ive only seen the Shining from these and I don't remember anything trans in it. For me, when I ve seen crossdressing or references to transness I didn't understand it and tought it was a movie thing.@@AlexReynard
@AlexReynard Not only would ten-year-olds not necessarily watch those movies, but not all of them would also be like "Oh, I love the soundtrack, who is that? Walter Carlos? I have to look him up- Oh! WENDY Carlos now."
@@AlexReynardI have never heard of any of those movies besides The Shining, and I haven't even watched it. I think you're probably the only person in the world who knows of all of those lmfao
Yes, and the fact that it was a trans woman is what made it acceptable to the public. Even in the '90s most people understood that sexually harassing and assaulting cis women is wrong, but there was (and is, but it was worse then) a pervasive belief that people with penises can't be the object of sexual harassment or assault. She was framed as being "really a man" which made the attack much more palatable to the audience.
@@AtomikNYThis attitude is also how we got Poison. Capcom's localization team thought American audiences wouldn't feel good about beating up women, so Poison (and Roxy) were changed to be "transvestites". Joke's on them though because Poison is now iconic.
I liked this movie as a child. I watched a review of it as an adult, and I was like, "Oh! This is part of the reason why I thought SA was totally normal for so long."
No, no. I can assure you that virtually everyone who watched this movie did not have that reaction. And the "sexual assault" was only okay in the context that it was revealing the identity of an attempted murderer. You can't blame this movie for you having such an abnormal thought.
@AlexReynard ????? how even in context does it make it more okay as a joke? This is like the peak of decades of casual sexual assault on women shown in movies with no consequence, or plot relevance to the protagonist in relation to the assault.
Just saw the community post and checked to make sure its still up, its unfortunate RUclips decides the video tackling offensive content, is in itself offensive, meanwhile they allow the clip itself to appear anyone on the site. Ill be watching this shortly, very familliar with the whole story and the disgusting plot points in the movie Thanks for everything you do, Lily.
That goes for comments, too. You can be banned from youtube for responding negatively to fascist comments. It's happened to me multiple times now. RUclips openly knows they're promoting an evil agenda. They just don't care because it's profitable.
I just clicked in here to give you an upvote and apologize that I don't think I can watch this. I don't know if i was read, I was in high school and we were seniors and it was the end of the year so we weren't doing anything and someone brought this movie and we watched it as a group, and we got to those points and everyone was laughing so much and I was scared as hell. But I wasn't even out to myself yet, I didn't understand why I was so incredibly scared. I've never seen it again after that day in 1997
Genuinely surprised there wasn't more emphasis in this video on how, prior to the reveal, Finkle is already portrayed as having been mentally unwell. He's a man who's pretending to be a woman because he's crazy, you see. In the film's twisted logic, that's the only reason that could make sense.
Oh yeah and also how she completely skips over that the real Einhorn lady was missing and her ID stolen. Not at all stuff Transwomen would do. Ray Finkle never cared about being a woman he just wanted to destroy Dan Marino. Worse off thanks to his parents saying he was right in hating and blaiming Dan.
No, he's a man who's pretending to be a woman to hide from cops, and to commit murder. He stole a missing hiker's identity through plastic surgery. He may even have murdered her. These comments acting like Ray Finkel is a victim are absolutely horrifying to me.
You do realize that Einhorn was a corrupt cop who had already murder one person, kidnapped a man and a dolphin and was trying to kill Dan and Ace right? She commanded her force to shoot an unarmed man. Ace did what he had to do to prove she was behind all of it and save himself from being arrested.
Ive already watched it today, but if you had to reupload because of youtube censoring... Im gonna give it another view to support you, love your content 💜
I do this with all the smaller creators I like. Engagement and views are super important for channels like this, and I genuinely want more people to see Lily's content, so you bet I'm the type to spend an extra half hour listening to her calming and comfortable cadence as she dives into the hurtful reality of fiction.
Although this movie is well… not great for trans representation, it is a fact most men would kill to have a one night stand with Sean Young whether she has a “gun” or not.
As for the "just a joke" defense, it is never "just a joke". Nothing is ever "just a joke". The things we choose to make jokes about make very real statements about what we believe and what we value.
everything is just a joke. Existence itself is just a joke nothing matters, not even human life. Value is arbitrary Everything is hilarious I'm not saying that to defend a movie. Just incredibly cynical & wanted to correct ur backwards comment
Everything matters to somebody. Nihilism is just another opinion. So is cynicism. It's also illogical not to value one's own survival and species. I pride myself on my sense of humor but nobody thinks everything's funny, because some jokes are in bad taste, bigoted or corny.@@teddybaker4759
@@teddybaker4759Existence may be a joke, but it's still our job to take responsibility over the comedy we produce. Saying that everything is hilarious might be useful when it comes to coping with the terror of the brevity of our lives, but we still have responsibilities toward each other, how we treat each other, and the messages we create about each other.
"The things we choose to make jokes about make very real statements about what we believe and what we value." Translation: "Fiction is reality, because that way I can be offended by it. It's not that I'm humorless, it's that everyone else is wrong."
I’m old enough to have been there when this movie was hugely popular. I can say from personal experience that stuff like this contributes to keeping people closeted. Not the movie, itself, but the things I heard people say about the type of representation it presented.
Lily, I love you and your insight into this sort of media. Forgive me for not having the stomach for this episode. I trust you do a great job in your writing as always, but this movie is just one I simply cannot remind myself of. That being said, keep up the great work in withstanding this shit!! love from a southern US trans girl.
The movie would have been like 1000x better if Monica turned him down after that and when he's like "Wait, why?! I'm a hero, I caught the murderer!" she'd been like "Because I'm trans, asshole." and Ace actually had to examine his biases.
Or she turned him down for literally sexually assaulting, forcibly stripping, and exposing the sex assigned birth of a woman in front of a bunch of people…after making out with that trans woman and admitting to it. Like wtf if that isn’t a red flag I don’t know what is
Imagine if Ace was wrong and we were supposed to laugh at him for being so transphobic. Then the real villian turned out to be the police team leader (the big guy) or something and Monica exposed that, not Ace. Or hell, the harassed character with her underwear out could've been the one to do it. "As I was saying before ACE showed up...." Then Ace could've been like "maybe I should stay in my lane and take care of animals". I mean the 90s DID have a feminist wave, it wouldn't have been THAT farfetched. This is the same decade that gave us The Mummy
@@falconeshieldthat's what I was thinking would save this movie when I watching it. I did think it was kind of funny how extreme Ace's reactions and the conclusions he came to were. And I could see how they could still have him like that as a way to make fun of transphobia. But I was pretty sure the people making the movie were on his side
@@leonrussell9607 Bro, if a 5 second change consisting solely of a simple "the 'hero' doesn't get the girl in the end because he was a shitty person in a way that directly affected her" sounds "awful" to you then I have to assume you either like the film portraying the only trans rep as a murderer and sexual predator and frames it as funny and good to be transphobic, or think the 'hero' should always get the girl and there's no value or comedy in subverting that trope. All this change would do is: -change the last maybe 5 minutes of movie, subverting the hero romance cliche and following through on the will they won't they/hard to get thing they had going on -Show trans women are just normal women and not shameful or unfortunate to have as partners, as she's presented as a very desirable romantic lead the entire movie and never othered -gives consequences to Ace's transphobia, losing a relationship with a woman he really liked and who liked him, and let's the prior attitudes be read as a mockery of/joke about transphobia and cishet male insecurities about attraction to femme AMAB people, and subverts the expectation of the movie just being transphobic with an unrelated cis romantic interest. And all it would take would be: Ace comes onto Monica at the end expecting to be praised for catching the killer, Monica being like "Ha, no way, buddy, not interested, but good job I guess." Ace being like "Do you mind me asking uuuh WHY? I... Thought we had something here!" in typical Jim Carrey fashion, and then Monica to give an "Uh Duh" face and go "Cause I'm trans, asshole?" And then have Ace look shocked and heartbroken as she scoffs and wonders off. It could fit perfectly and make for a more positive, funny, unique conclusion.
I just want to add Jim has spoken out agaisnt Ace and the movies. He said he would do it so differently today. That its ridiculous how it was done. He regrets it deeply.
@teddybaker4759 So someone who wants people dead for their immutable characteristics (sexuality/sex/gender/race/etc) is worthy of love? Rapists are worthy of love? Murderers? Terrorists? No. And neither are you.
Cishet male character after having sex with teenager: Haha whoops, she said she was 18! Cishet male character after having sex with adult trans girl: *vomits* Ah yes very cool Hollywood, very nice tropes there.
I’ve always had a bad feeling about Ace Ventura, my mom loves it but I don’t like it. When she put it on, I couldn’t even look at the screen without cringing.
I think it says a lot when you can very reasonably argue that the sequel where Ace Ventura goes to Africa and deals with a literal African Tribe, with all the jokes you'd expect, is probably the less offensive movie....
@@TheStarGhost Nah, there are absolutely ways you can be more or less racist or transphobic. Like if you accidentally deadname someone and then someone does a minstrel show in blackface, then clearly one of these things is a bit worse than the other, right? I don't think it's as easy to compare the level of hate the groups themselves get, but I feel like painting an African tribe as a bit weird and ritualistic isn't really QUITE as bad as publicly humiliating someone for their gender identity and directly making a visual gag out of how just existing as a trans person is so gross that everyone just automatically throws up as soon as they realize it. That's.......... kind-of a lot........... BOY these movies aged like milk......
@@TheStarGhostThey're saying that even with all the racism in When Nature Calls, it's still less offensive than the transphobia in Ace Ventura. Like, AVPD is just that bad.
@@TheStarGhost They're not saying that transphobia is inherently worse or anything like that. They're saying that the second film, as hateful as it is, did not make the only character of a minority group into a villain who is written as and treated as "repulsive" because of the minority group they're in before being sexually assaulted by the protagonist in a way that's framed as sympathetic and comedic. The first film did that in its portrayal of a trans woman.
@@TheStarGhostnah, not if you're comparing examples and not the concepts. Saying a lynching of a trans woman at a Walmart is a worse than a freaky Karen touching a black woman's hair is a totally valid statement. Transphobia is worse than racism is not. Same can hold true for movies, though I haven't seen the sequel
Saying the character isn’t trans isn’t a defender because what’s the alternative? The character is a man who changed his name, got surgeries, went on hormones, and had everyone treat him as a woman in order to do crimes? Because THATS definitely not a transphobic stereotype at all…
I saw that scene (and only that scene, not even the whole movie) as a child while I was staying at a friend's house, and even then as a 7/8 year-old, I thought it was deeply fucked up. I didn't know why at the time (maybe the forced stripping and making fun of someone's body made me feel uncomfortable), but it seriously tainted my opinion of Jim Carey decades before I realised I was trans myself.
She didn't even watch the movie, as she states at the beginning of the video. If she did, she'd know that it's made clear that Finkle isn't actually trans. He sees a news report about a presumed dead hiker whose body was never found named Einhorn, and he plots to assume her identity to evade capture after escaping the asylum. After all, since when do actual trans women take on the identities of missing persons? Also, the movie is pretty good imo.
When I came out as trans my mom wanted me to watch this movie because “it has trans representation” 😑 Glad she wanted to give me representation, but that wasn’t it 🥶
I remember this movie so vividly from my childhood, never understanding WHY it made me sad and confused any time my dad put it on. Thank you so for talking about, your video was very informative and comforting in a way? It’s nice to know I wasn’t the only person who was affected by this film I guess
"I remember this movie so vividly from my childhood, never understanding WHY it made me sad and confused any time my dad put it on." It's because you thought Einhorn was an actual woman. No. The character you saw never existed. The movie is explicit about this: Lois Einhorn is a hiker who went missing. Ray Finkel is a cis male murderer who stole her identity. He may even have murdered her. I know it's confusing because the fake Einhorn was played by a cis woman. But you have to listen to what the characters are *saying,* not just judge gender by looks.
I'd love to see a video on the silence of the lambs controversy! I think it's a great movie but I understand why it gets a lot of accusation of being trasnphobic. I think it's interesting how it sort of has the same problem of Ace Ventura- but I actually think it handles it with more nuance and does a better job of trying to distance it's trans adjacent villany from actual trans people. (the moment i point to is when Clarice is discussing the case with Hannibal, Hannibal basically says Buffalo Bill is in fact just mentally ill and not trans, which he does make sure to make a distinction, implying that trans identity on its own is not seen as inherently bad or mentally ill here, and to which Clarice says that she's met many 'passive' transgender people, agreeing that trans people are not violent or hurtful.) Yet it still caused harm, which is unfortunate because I think it shows that how a more nuanced situation can be twisted into a rhetoric by transphobes. But then again, I am not trans, and would like to see a good take on it that isn't my own! Just a starting point from my opinion :)
Didn't they have to add a disclaimer to that movie that explicitly said that it did not reflect trans people in any way? I heard it still caused issues, regardless. That was before my time, though.
Lindsay Ellis talks about The Silence of the Lambs in ''Tracing the Roots of Pop Culture Transphobia'' (but it's a hard one to watch). In the book both Clarice and Hannibal repeatedly say that Bill is not trans, they even use that argument to get the medical data from trans health centre, as the doctors would not be outing one of their patients, so I think the author was at least partially aware of how that plotline would be perceived and was *trying* to not be transphobic. However, I don't think it worked in the end and the film/book definitely fell right into the transphobic territory anyway: even if the argument is ''Bill is not trans, he is mentally ill and just thinks he is trans'', it still doesn't work in real life because transphobes think that trans people are not trans, they just think they are.
The problem though is that nobody's going to remember that small dialog-heavy-scene where they're trying not to be transphobic, all they'll remember is the psycho-killer dressed in drag, that's what sticks out in anyone's memory, and that's why this movie is transphobic, it spawned the stereotype, they knew it might happen, but they made the film anyway. :V
Wonderful video! As a queer person who somehow blocked out this little piece of childhood media, this was a wild ride expertly dissected. Also, LOVE the FALGSC poster, wish I knew where to get that!
I have a good one for you… this is one I haven’t seen talked about even though it’s pretty bad: The series finale of Nickelodeon cartoon As Told by Ginger. It’s a two part episode called The Wedding Frame. As much as I love As Told by Ginger, I always think about how awful the trans/drag queen is treated (it’s one of those cases where the line between the trans and drag is very VERY blurred but I personally think the character is trans). I have my own thoughts about it but I would like to hear other’s thoughts.
I loved this movie as a kid, and still do find some parts of it really funny. But back then I was always confused as to why everyone considered it so bad and gross that Einehorn "was" a man. I remember thinking "so what and?". Now as a gay man I know how horribly bigoted and transphobic it is. But I think its still possible to watch it these days and enjoy it whilst still pointing out how transphobic it is and having a conversation about it, and while we'd all like to think media like this is a thing of a by gone era, sadly that is not the case.
After seeing your Boy Meets World video, which I loved the analysis of, I was legit thinking of this movie and you this morning. Oh boy, this ain't gonna be as positive. 😆Here goes my next half an hour.
I'm 41 and my God, the 90s and 00s were trashy in so many ways and I'm grateful for wokeness no matter how many people deride it. I don't think I felt one way or another about this when I was 12 and saw this in the theater. I liked the "It's Pat" character and have like a yeesh response thinking about that now, for instance. But hateful stuff can go right over kids' heads if they don't know any better. The stuff with Einhorn is so wtf.
The ending where he is harassing her so cruelly is the only thing I remember about the movie. It was weird the movie focused so much time towards the types of jokes you cover and not like idk funny animal things.
Whenever I think of how much I liked this movie as a little kid (years before I understood what it meant), I want to vomit as much as Ace Ventura when he learns about Einhorn 😒
Yeah, seeing this before I really understood anything outside of the cishet paradigm, I had a moment of "Oh. Ohhh.." when I first learned of "trans panic".
Same. I remember loving this movie when I was younger, but I mostly just remembered the funny, kooky, wacky shit Ace does, as well as the animal scenes, and I didn't remember a thing about the main plot or main antagonist. A few months into the pandemic, I saw it was on Netflix, so I decided to watch the movie over again, but the funny scenes were fewer and further between than I remembered, and at that climactic reveal at the end, I (a cis guy) was wretching at how horrifically transphobic it was.
I think I'll always love Ace's general concept and the energy that Jim Carrey puts into him and a lot of the actually harmless jokes still land for me but... I literally can't even watch the movies anymore, there's so much problematic shit going on. Not just the transphobia but also the rampant racism of the second movie and their general treatment of women. Best I can do is look up clips of my favorite moments outside of the many (many) problematic ones.
I really liked/like this movie until the end, like it’s fun and silly and doesn’t make sense, it’s just the ending that kinda ruins it from me cuz of the aforementioned transphobia, but also how he straight up assaults her (ripping off her clothes)
I watched this movie with my family as a small child. My mom got really upset throughout and ended up shutting it off at the start of the clothes ripping, I didn’t know how it ended until I watched a Lindsay Ellis video years later. I wish I remembered mom’s exact reaction, but I do remember her berating my father for assuring her it was a family movie, and dad saying that he was sorry and had thought that it was when he rented it
Thank you for making such a thoughtful analysis on this. It’s interesting to look back and remember the joy that came from enjoyment of these kinds of media while still today being conflicted now that I have a better understanding.
as a trans person who watched mixed nuts (this silly little kinda meh nora ephron movie that came out in the same year as ace ventura), i was... oddly surprised? there liev schreiber played a goth trans girl who was mostly treated the bare minimum and got a happy ending w a boyfriend who adores her to bits and everything. obviously its not a portrayal without problems but the contrast to einhorn sticks out to me
I'm honestly horrified nobody questioned that scene during the production at very least due to pretty explicit sexual violence against a female actress for a PG13 movie. I really don't believe both the actress and women on set were comfortable with it or maybe I'm just too naive to believe saying "no no this character is actually a guy" made everyone ok with recording it. But then i guess transphobia goes perfectly in hand with misogyny...
Suggestions you said? You probably had a couple dozen people tell you about that show already, but I recently watched Onimai without any prior knowledge about it and wow... that show is wild. Either way, I saw Ace Ventura as a kid, but even back then, when I knew basically nothing about trans people and representation, that ending struck me as deeply weird and unnecessary cruel. Great video!
Onimai is certainly an interesting one. The problem with covering it is that a depressingly large amount of fanbase knee-jerk rejects the idea of Mahiro as trans and are aggressive in their defense of their interpretation.
Oof, growing up, this and Pat snl being some of my close friend's and relative's favorite comedy pieces gave me trust issues. Here's hoping the vid stays up!
dude stop going to every comment just to whine about people not liking the movie. you seem to be the type to defend movies like cuties because “it’s just a movie”
Also don't worry dude, you're valid in your sadness. Transphobia can be truamatizing based off our experiences where it could literally get ourselves killed and or socially outcasted
I remember watching this film as a kid and being horrified at the stripping scene. I didn’t register the whole transphobic joke of it; all I saw was a powerful woman having her agency (quite literally) ripped away. It changed the way I saw other women, reducing them to their bodies instead of their individuality. Thanks for talking about this.
There's a weird dichotomy in the making the film. They made the trans character a reasonably fleshed out character with a full background surrounding the trans character (that's good). They went the whole hog implying surgery (I don't think the concept of bottom surgery was really developed in that time so it makes sense that that wouldn't have been finished) and that they had lived as a woman for years without issue (that's good). They made the character attractive to other people because they're indistinguishable from other women (that's good)... But then they threw it all away for 1 joke. It's weird to think that if they had a slightly different goal, the film could have been a fairly progressive film but we have to remember that the 90s weren't exactly a progressive time. I haven't actually seen ace Ventura so I can't comment on how much the reveal really impacts the plot but it feels like it spoiled any impact it had a potential to have.
I watched this movie as a child (I think I was 10 or 11?) when it had recently come out. My older sister and parents had to explain what was going on because I didn't understand how a woman could be a man or why the men were disgusted. I didn't even get what the lump in the back of her pants was meant to be. I honestly think it shaped my understanding of trans people for years until I actually had the opportunity to listen to trans people speak for themselves thanks to RUclips. I didn't hate them or anything but it was more like I didn't understand they existed because the media paradigm was exactly this - trans women are actually men trying to trick people. I really think this film is dangerous and damaging in hindsight. So much of it went over my head as a kid :( I loved the movie for the physical comedy and felt like I was so mature for laughing at sexual humour I didn't actually understand. I haven't watched it since but I don't think I ever will, that scene where he rips off her clothes is horrific:o
I saw it at about the same age as you and nobody explained it to me but I still sort of understood it, I just didn’t know how a man could look so much like a woman and I just felt like Ace was upset because it made him gay to make out with a man and being gay was a sin according to some of the views of Christianity I had been exposed to (although I didn’t understand why?) I felt like those parts showing that she was a man were inappropriate for children.
I'm relieved to know that we as a society just accepted that this movie had bad representation and didn't let it be a big deal. Given how beloved Jim Carrey still is, the fact that we haven't gotten into a "people too woke" defense with this one is a minor miracle. I was a child of the 90s so I saw this film a lot and I don't think I processed the problems with it until a few years ago when the arguments against it began surfacing. It was all catchphrases and faces to me, but it's moments like that reveal that makes me wonder what other harmful media I witnessed that created implicit biases in my impressionable mind. Your series is great as usual. Keep up the good work.
Watching your videos have helped me learn more about how media portrays trans wrong, but even before that I was trying to point out the obvious wrongs to people around me, and it hurt that they couldn’t understand
I'm loving the review so far 🙏 Had to hop onto my account so I could like and comment 😄 Thanks for another awesome review and I hope life is treating you well 🦔
Coornation Street had a transfemme character iirc from my mom forcing me to watch that show with her when i was a kid. I can’t remember how poorly it was handled but i remember it being a huge overblown drama point for the show.
There is a character, not sure if its the one youre speaking of, but she was a trans woman in a committed relationship for years prior to her death in the show.. The whole time that I was watching I was actually unaware the character was trans- I wonder if this is the woman you speak of- but her positive relationship with her husband and their bond, especially as she was sick and on her deathbed, was loving and wonderful, and hopeful-- I felt like it wasn't represented poorly at all, at least in the 2010s.
I don't know how the show handled Hayley's transition because I was too young at the time. I did watch the show for a while in the early 2000s, though, and I recall that there was a villain character who deadnamed her, and it was clearly framed as "this is a nasty thing that the villain does to show he's a villain". Now I'm wondering if there is a decent retrospective/breakdown of her portrayal over the years.
If I'm not mistaken, this was my very first exposure to trans people in media at a much younger age. In hindsight it's no wonder that my transphobic folks owned it on DVD. Of course, I am now a trans woman myself, and am shocked and appalled at just how aggressively unfunny this fucking movie is. I remain eternally grateful to have grown so much as a person, since the days when I laughed unironically at this shitpile.
Due to some very painful youtube censorship on the video, I had to re-edit it completely and re-upload it. So please enjoy it before its gone again
Oof, youtube be like that
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It's a shame that youtube can take down your video, but leaves Matt Walsh's blatant transphobia up with no issues. Do better youtube!
Yeah, what the frick is that about
the unfortunate thing is that matt walsh pays them more
god i hate companies😒
He has to know someone at youtube. I can't think of any other reason he's still on the platform.
Well I’m like 99% sure it’s just bc copyright movie clips, not the message in the video. Matt Walsh uses stock footage and royalty free music, for artistic flair ofc
@@Brianna_Q he pays to have his videos come up as ads. I literally got one of his hour long videos as an ad on one of Lily's videos
There is alot of anti-trans media my family and even ex-partners have LOVED, and seeing Lily cover each show/movie feels like a checklist of their fave things they wanted me to watch. I avoided alot of these like the plague, or found the specific episodes off-putting enough to stop watching entirely, but now Im trans and things make sm more sense when trying to find new friends/partners.
Damn, for all the good the 90s gave us (SPICE GIRLS) the bad really outweighs the good. At least Bush Sr launched that AIDS campaign that saved countless of gays back in the early 90s. After being ignored by Reagan "Kill the bastards" Ass, it's probably the only good thing he did
Yeah there's a few things my partner and I enjoy as people that are trans/enby that can be borderline transphobic or so, but we would never recommend them to people without a heavy warning. I don't know why you'd insist on someone watching something that you know will actively trigger them. Hope you're doing okay.
How kindhearted of you to demand that an adult male first take hormones if he wants to wear makeup and expressive clothing at the workplace
@@rikardandersson5582stop projecting
@@12Tecpatl Yeah, nice try, you are complaining specifically on TRANS BACKCLASH, not the stricter dresscodes against men in itself, which includes makeup ban
Even male leftie politicians has to wear baggy suits and no makeup, unless they dub themselves "trans"
I remember watching this movie as a kid and growing up on Jim Carrey movies.
However I never understood why Ace reacted the way he did or understand why everyone was vomiting at the end or how Einhorn was a 'man' when she looked, identified, and lived as a woman. Especially when he was stripping off her clothes the same way White Chicks did. It just confused me and made me so uncomfortable.
It wasnt until I was in high school when I basically learned about the lgbt community and trans people I realized he was being transphobic.
I remember he did a similar joke in Me Myself and Irene (I think the movie is named) where his other personality used a toy on himself when fronting. The host panicked when he found out and started trying to 'cleanse himself'. Get it? Cause he's not gay guys even though he wasnt fronting when it happen. He's not gay-
Just made me upset and uncomfortable that it was trying to portray itself as a joke.
I mean imagine you blacked out and woke up to your butthole being used… i feel like that was the joke, more than just homophobia. Even a straight woman would have that reaction. Its kinda violating. HE never consented to that, as u said, he was not fronting.
@@Futurebound_jpg he wasn't even aware it happened until after it was all over, well into the next day when he just randomly found the toy and asked the girl about it, assuming it was hers till she said it wasn't for her. So it wasnt even him when it all happened. I'm not sure how consent works in the DID space, so I cannot comment on that aspect. It was the way he overreacted to it, and the girl reacting the same way the girl in Ace Ventura reacted to the police's reaction to the trans reveal. Confused how it was a big deal so it just added even more confusion to the viewer on how to react to it.
Me, Myself, and Irene was just generally an absolutely horrible display of DID representation, even without the gay panic bullshit.
It's pretty clear the character slept around the entire police team to have provoked THAT reaction from all of them. No way it was just a smooch
I was just confused watching those scenes for the first time, when I was 7 or 8. I didn't get why everyone was freaking out either. I just thought: "Are these guys stupid, she's hot" (admittedly not the best take). It introduced me to trans as a concept and how weird it was to respond to her like that. Which is a twisted silver lining? From something awful. I can't imagine how horrible it is to watch as a trans person.
I think it’s important to mention that throwing up + crying in the shower is commonly movie shorthand for people (usually women) who have just been sexually assaulted, so it adds another layer of grossness to the transphobic trope. Like it’s a 1-2 punch of implying a trans woman existing is inherently sexually violent AND a “isn’t it funny that a MAN got sexually assaulted? 🤣” joke :/
Exactly, it's so disturbing on so many levels
I mean it is sexual assault under false pretenses. Like imagine someone had mouth herpes, didnt tell someone mid breakout and convinced em they a good kisser and pu$$y eater. Are they not committing sexual assault?
@@capam15 WHAT LMAO, how is finding out something that wouldn't have affected you in the slightest if you didn't know comparable to contracting a virus??? tf are you talking about???
@@capam15 having sex with a trans person doesnt 'infect' you or cause any legitimate harm to you
@@PaintBottle its pretty clear that you view trans people, for example trans women, as something other than women. If theyve completed their surgeries and have no differences to a cis person of their gender, then theres nothing that you would need to know about that would change the dynamic of your relationship. if you believe that the very fact that they used to identify as another gender is enough to change your relationship, then you shouldnt be in that relationship.
PS- you have no idea how polyamory works
As a kid I loved the first two acts and thought Carrey was hilarious but the third act always made me uncomfortable. Thank you for putting it into eloquent words.
As a kid being transness wasnt even a concept for me so every time i watched the end of the movie it was just a weird sexual assault scene that made no sense to the plot. I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what violently ripping off this womans clothes had to do with the dolphin case.
Yeah, I seen the movie as a kid and I don't remember how I felt back then but that scene has stuck with me and I know I didn't think it was funny, I probably was just very confused tbh.
Yeah it was weird as a kid. I think so many people finding it confusing as kids shows how transphobia and homophobia are taught and not natural. It isn't nasty or disgusting on its own. This movie is part of how they TEACH kids that transpeople are disgusting.
Big same. Jim was my fave comedian and I was too young to understand this part. When I watched this film again recently I was devastated with what I saw 😢
@@IshtarNike spot on. Bigotry is indoctrinated and it exists in places you usually wouldn't even expect, such as media that jokes about "burning the house down" in case a spider appears or "creatures from your nightmares", then shows a worm. It desensitises people to blatant forms of hatred and discrimination while also teaching them that specific groups, marginalised humans or non-human organisms, are "inherently disgusting" when there is nothing wrong about what someone is, regardless of what they are, only who they choose to be.
Anyway, I do believe I hated the ending scene, it made no sense to me and it was just harassment. I felt horrible for her because of my experiences with dysphoria and dysmorphia, and I hated seeing her being humiliated like that, with or without context.
@@KingC89 Who
In videos like this, I am reminded of an argument that I’ve heard in mental health circles, but I think it applies here too
Every human being is capable of doing bad things, but when people’s only exposure to a demographic is, time and time again, a villain; it can start to paint a picture of the demographic.
That’s why I don’t like humans, they always make me the bad guy just for not thinking the same way I do.
Yes. Shows how critical good representation is, and actual education about and involving all sorts of people, too. What's happening in public education in several U.S. states comes to mind: pretending in the classroom that certain groups of people don't exist does so much damage and doesn't actually protect kids from anything.
yep the few people in these comments saying (omg no wonder i normalized s/a was because of this movie) are just struggling mentally with their identity
I like that you bring up Boys Don't Cry as a more accurate film. But it also, for me, exists as an emblem for the need for representation. Little egg me grew up in a household that didn't even accept gay, let alone the idea a person could be trans. But we stole cable, so I got to see that movie on repeat (ah, Christian morality). Anyway, that movie moved me, reached me, and then I saw the lead actress ascend the stage in her sleek red dress, kissing her cis het husband on the way to podium, and I was crushed again. It was a fantasy, there actually wasn't someone like me out there. My hateful mom was right again.
It was an incredible film. But that was a shitty Oscars for this queer. I'm happy to see the push for people to get to represent their own lived experiences in films that purport to reflect the reality of human experience, despite realizing that "all actors are acting."
It’s a really good point you bring up about how Einhorn is for all intents and purposes a trans woman. If the way to write this off is “oh well it’s just a costume so that finkle can achieve his evil plan” then show that? Have some kind of dramatic reveal where ace closes the door and einhorn immediately takes off the disguise. This isn’t Finkle committing to the bit, this is just a trans woman who is terribly written
You do realize that Einhorn was a corrupt cop who had already murder one person, kidnapped a man and a dolphin and was trying to kill Dan and Ace right? She commanded her force to shoot an unarmed man. Ace did what he had to do to prove she was behind all of it and save himself from being arrested.
@@Pope54x oh for sure she’s still absolutely a criminal, it’s just that her criminality has nothing to do with her being trans.
@@Riviwriter actually it does. When Ace proved she was once or is Ray Finkle because of the tucked penis and the incriminating ring. The tucked penis was enough evidence to get Ace off the hook of all the crimes Lt. Einhorn is falsely accusing him of. As well as probable cause to at least arrest Einhorn. The ring though was the final dagger that was able to connect Einhorn to all of the crimes and lead to her arrest.
@@Pope54x all he proved is that Einhorn had a penis. Lily said this in the video, Einhorn could’ve just been some random trans woman and Ray Finkle could still be out there. It’s trying to connect the fact that Einhorn is trans to the stereotype of trans people being deceitful and “lying” about their gender
@@Riviwriter no he couldn’t have. Ace had put it all together that Finkle was Einhorn. He explained it in his speeches to the force in his exposure
THANK YOU I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO. I HATED THIS MOVIE. Back when I was a kid I didn't even know what trans people were, but I had been taught from a young age that shaming people's bodies was cruel. So it was a shock to me when a funny movie I liked featured shaming someone's body. I was so confused on why they'd be mean to the trans woman. I hated her for kidnapping the dolphin, I didn't care whether her "thing" was botched in surgery and I didn't consider that funny. And most of all, I hated how when I tried to continue using she/her pronouns for her as a young kid with no knowledge of trans people, my dad "corrected" me and got so angry at me. I didn't understand his anger. What I saw on the screen was an attractive cis woman and I found it ridiculous to refer to her as a he just because of a plot twist I found stupid.
You’re offended by this movie? It’s called acting. Also, there are only two genders.
@@Snowbird_89 Why watch a video about transphobia made by a trans creator just to be transphobic? Also, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but this movie itself was transphobic. Getting offended by bigotry is pretty natural.
@@ettaetta439this video came up when I searched Ace Ventura
@@Snowbird_89 Cool. Well, then maybe the thumbnail and title, and the first few minutes of the video should've warned you that you were not the target audience. Watch other Ace Ventura videos. I won't deny that Ace Ventura movies are funny and do deserve analysis, this was just a bad part of this movie.
@@Snowbird_89 The thumbnail and title literally has trans in it.
As someone who is aware of and has seen The Crying Game, I feel it could be worth its own video sometime. There's a lot to unpack there.
Yeah, I don't recall it being transphobic, but there's a lot to unpack in it!
I wonder if there's something for you to say about that one episode of Full House where Danny and Joey dress up as women to infiltrate a sorority, and how these kinds of stories were kind of Ground Zero for the framing of trans women as predatory men scheming their way into accessing and undermining women's spaces.
You’re totally forgetting about Bosom Buddies.
dirk…
I like your profile picture.
@@gothicGumshoe J-JAKE?!
"how these kinds of stories were kind of Ground Zero for the framing of trans women as predatory men scheming their way into accessing and undermining women's spaces."
It's so interesting how the existence of trans women makes people like you think that predatory cis men trying to gain access to women's spaces _don't exist._
As a kid who loved animals, saw this around the time it came out and got so uncomfortable watching this fun goofy guy start stripping and assaulting this woman in front of everyone while she stood there helpless. I had no idea why it was happening or what it had to do with saving the dolphin or football, so when I rewatched years later my jaw dropped when I realized it was turning into a trans horror story. It's wild that I only remembered it as a silly kids movie and it's still marketed like that today
It’s a movie. It’s not real. Stop being offended by nonsense.
@@Snowbird_89 do you think you just made a point?
@@Snowbird_89
ur a movie
Even as a kid, I always liked the second one better. That one has plenty of its own problems, too, but at least it didn't have *this*. But I did not realize just how problematic it was until I was older and became more aware of the existence of real-life trans people.
"watching this fun goofy guy start stripping and assaulting this woman in front of everyone while she stood there helpless. I had no idea why it was happening or what it had to do with saving the dolphin or footbal"
He was not stripping and assaulting a woman. He was revealing a murderer. A man. Ray Finkel was never trans. He was a man disguised as a woman to hide from cops. Lois Einhorn was a hiker who went missing, and Ray took on her identity through plastic surgery. He may even have murdered her. He was never trans. He is a killer. Ace was revealing a killer, so that killer didn't go on to kill more people.
You didn’t mention the worst part about it. Because Lois was played by a cis woman, was strong, confident and successful, and the narrative mostly revolved around an aspect of her character that wasn’t her transness this was better representation than a lot of us had seen in media at that point.
I agree. It's misogynistic as well as transphobic. A strong woman is the bad guy, and only strong because she's 'secretly a man'. As a teen, I didn't find 'the reveal' funny in the least. It is sad, disappointing, and doesn't even make sense (being trans does not equal being the murderer).
Makes me want to see someone attempt to rewrite the end of the film, replacing Ace's transphobic freak-out and everything that follows. I loved this movie when I was an oblivious little kid and would like to see it fixed.
LOIS EINHORN WAS DEAD BEFORE THE EVENTS OF THE MOVIE STARTED. Jesus Christ, the movie was explicit about it. Lois Einhorn was a hiker who went missing. Ray Finkel, in order to hide from the cops and commit murder, stole her identity through plastic surgery. He may even have murdered the real Lois Einhorn.
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Love your voice. It reminds me of my 6th grade history teacher who made me fall in love with weird history facts and stuff. She was one of the best teacher I've ever had and you fill in that hole very well
I know you don't do a whole lot of anime but I'd love to hear your take on Hoshikawa Lily from Zombie Land Saga. She's one of my favorite trans characters from recent media and the episode where it's revealed is handled just so incredibly well.
I love Jim Carry’s character acting but tbh… this guy has joined in on a lot of movies with questionable moments and knowing he’s anti-vax, I get the feeling he might not be a friend irl. 😵💫
Yeeeah, he’s been questionable for a while.
I watched a RUclips video called something like "Jim Carey ISN'T crazy", which did shed light on some of his behavior in the public eye outside of his films. But it seems like he has a mindset formed by the movie/book "The Secret" which basically says you just need to wish hard enough and you will get whatever you want, and people who don't get what they want just aren't wishing hard enough. He seems really self-centered, but then again fame does that to a person.
He tells a story about how when he was a kid he was really poor, and he wanted a bike so bad that he prayed to Christian God to get one. The next day he got a bike, because his friend entered him into a raffle for a free bike. Therefore, prayer worked. But, did God give him a bike, or did his community see someone struggling and decide to help him?
His anti-vax stance was formed by dating Jennifer McCarthy, a supermodel whose son is nuerodivergent and she blames vaccines for his nuerodivergence. This is based on a study that was deemed false shortly after it was published. So it seems to me that Mr. Carey does not value scientific fact and experiences magical thinking.
No famous person is a friend. Once they enter that industry they are handed a card that tells them exactly what fringe conspiracy theories and icky things to believe in they have and they have to follow those things 24/7.
@@maverickREAL I meant friend as in he doesn't seem to be an ally or supporter of trans and other marginalized groups. I also don't think his beliefs were exactly handed to him but something he genuinely upholds himself
@@maverickREALNo human being is truly a friend famous or not.
I don't know if you're much of an anime watcher but I would be really interested in a video about Ouran High School Host Club and particularly the character of Haruhi's 'dad' Ranka - there's so much to unpack there, the English dub in particular calls her the t-slur constantly. She's basically an okama stereotype in some ways, she's a drag queen, she's not exactly a trans woman but not exactly just a crossdresser either, and it's messy but at the same time she's a character with a lot of humanity and her relationship with Haruhi is very strong and loving and a key emotional point in the story.
The effectiveness of this “joke” is entirely predicated on people finding trans women, and sleeping with them, disgusting.
Hence if you’re a kid (like I was) and don’t understand what the problem is you’re just confused and feeling sorry for Einhorn.
I was like nine years old when I saw it and I kind of understood it although I didn’t know how she could look so much like a woman if she was really a man.
It's assault, though, if you don't reveal that info. Can't we agree on this?!
@@SleeperInTravel It's not assault in any way shape or form. You are the problem here. This sort of poison is why trans people get raped and murdered all the time in real life. No one is obligated to share their medical history with you. Stop trivializing sexual assault to justify violence.
"The effectiveness of this “joke” is entirely predicated on people finding trans women, and sleeping with them, disgusting."
No. The joke is predicated on finding it disgusting to be lied to, and sleeping with someone who you would not have been attracted to if you knew the truth about them. They are disgusted because Ray Finkel lied to them, disguised as a woman, and is implied to have gained their trust through sexual favors. Like date rape.
"Hence if you’re a kid (like I was) and don’t understand what the problem is you’re just confused and feeling sorry for Einhorn."
*THAT EINHORN NEVER EXISTED.* Or rather, Lois Einhorn was a hiker that went missing, and Ray Finkel had plastic surgery to resemble her. _He may even have murdered her._ If you were confused and felt sorry for Einhorn, it's because you were too young to understand that this was not a woman, it was a male murderer.
@@AlexReynard Transness is not a form of deception.
In this specific case, I'll refer to the character referred to onscreen as "Lois Einhorn" as Lois Finkel, to distinguish her from the actual Lois Einhorn; the hiker.
The only act of deception Finkel made was in fraudulently assuming the identity of another woman, _not_ in transitioning, nor in having made sexual advances which were consented to by others.
The fact that Ventura (like countless other men) reacted so poorly to the information that the person he made out with was assigned male at birth, is a significant reason why most trans people nowadays understand that _it is simply not safe to remain in "stealth mode" while looking for a partner._ Transparency, honesty, and informed consent are key to a healthy, sustainable relationship. Our transness shouldn't be something we feel we need to hide, nor should that information necessarily even _matter._
If someone is honestly attracted to us, as we present ourselves, then let that attraction blossom. Let any labelling of sexuality or worrying what others might think come after the fact. The first problem upon meeting us, if we "pass" in their eyes as our gender; is them simply _assuming we are not trans until proven otherwise_, which is a social heuristic that has never been (and never can be) foolproof.
If you don't want to go down on a woman with a dick, _that's perfectly fine._ No, I'm not going to give any ammunition to the "fUcK mE oR yOu'Re A bIgOt" strawman routine. Genital preference is _not_ transphobic. It _would_ be transphobic, however, to refuse to be with someone solely because of the fact _they are trans,_ entirely removed from their actual anatomy/surgical status (or literally anything else about them). You can reject a trans person for _any damn reason you want_, apart from the mere trivia that they used to be a different gender.
For obvious reasons, most trans people don't pretend to be a separate individual. We are the same person on either side of our transition; albeit hopefully in a somewhat more comfortable state of being.
If Finkel indeed murdered Einhorn before assuming her identity, or committed sexual assault against anyone, then she must face justice. Not necessarily through the carceral system; though her continued evasion of accountability would _not_ be an option.
I saw this movie as I was growing up. At the time, it was really weird. I rewatched it years later as an adult. It was less weird, but significantly more depressing.
Both times, the movie was significantly less funny than other people tell me it is.
i'm so upset that i didn't watch this right away when i saw it go up at 4am, i should've expected that it would have needed to be edited. i'm sorry you speaking about our community and what affected it was silenced, lily!
Me too. Kicking myself now. Stupid RUclips
I watched this movie when it came out and it made me think, wow she's hot. A man can become a woman?! And I filed it in the back of my head.
So, how's estrogen treating you?
Sean Young is hot AF in this movie. It's their loss.
That was a woman playing a man pretending to be a woman. You can't change sex, just your appearance.
she actually is a woman in real life though so yeah
@@glorbojibbins2485well yeah she is actually a woman, she would be actually a woman if she was trans as well so not sure what your point is
Yeah it was weird as a kid. I think so many people finding it confusing as kids shows how transphobia and homophobia are taught and not natural. It isn't nasty or disgusting on its own. This movie is part of how they TEACH kids that transpeople are disgusting.
I really doubt that but I'm nature over nurture in general. The only things that are taught are information & skills
mindsets are all in the brain & u are who ur programming makes u
@@teddybaker4759 That just sounds like an excuse not to change.
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no it's an understanding of human nature
I'm sure anyone in an LGBT community can understand the idea that are are who ur brain says u are
I can't choose not to be bi anymore than I can choose not to be an anti-authority rebel
not that I would choose not to be either
The movie does not teach kids that trans people are disgusting. That is, unless your definition of trans is "a male murderer who steals a woman's identity after she goes missing (he may have even murdered her)". I cannot understand why everyone in these comments thinks Ray Finkel is trans, or that Einhorn was a victim of sexual assault. The real Lois Einhorn was dead before the movie started. It's as if, because trans people exist, that means that there's never been a case of a predatory cis man pretending to be a woman. So we can't criticisize predatory cis men, because if they deliberately lie and misrepresent themselves as women *to commit crimes,* we have to call that "trans" and respect it. No, no, no, no. That is not what trans is and it's insane to conflate the two.
@@teddybaker4759 That's a false equivalence, and it's been scientifically proven that bigotry is taught. I don't mean to be rude but this is a form of wallowing.
I think part of the problem is that in a detective story there is an innate desire for every mystery to be resolved. The problem is that as written the einhorn situation is not relevant, so had no reason to be revealed.
A better example of working that kind of twist into a mystery is in the second phoenix wright game with a character who got reconstructive surgery but used her deceased sisters photo. Not only is revealkng that relevant to her motive but you still have to prove that she committed the actual murder as those games not only make you solve every mystery, but also link thrm propetly too.
I'm going to make a couple suggestions of movies to talk about. One of them a movie with transphobia almost as bad as Ace Ventura, and one that has fairly good trans representation. The transphobic one is Soap Dish which predates Ace Ventura by a few years. The trans character is outed against her will on live television and it's strongly implied that the character detransitions at the very end. On the other end of the spectrum is The World According to Garp, while not perfect (the trans character is played by a cis man) the character is portrayed sympathetically and if I remember correctly everyone treats her like a woman.
God, I hated Soapdish because of that ending. It was such a good, fun, campy movie up until literally the last five minutes when the whole resolution to the story was disgusting bigotry. It would be like if there was a movie from the 50s where a love triangle gets resolved with one character being outed as black, and only passing as white, and thus being removed from society. Just such a waste of great premise and cast.
@@ethansloan Right? It was a pretty good movie, and then suddenly...TRANSPHOBIA!
Oh god, I love Soapdish. RDJ's character still goes with her at the end, though. I guess I missed the detrans part.
@@d3l3tes00n Huh, it's been a while since I've seen it (haven't seen it since I saw it in the theatre when it came out) but I distinctly remember RDJ looking disgusted when he found out, and the implied detransition was at the very end you see the marque at a dinner theatre and her deadname is listed as starring in the show she is doing there, or at least that's my memory of it.
It's almost as if there are people who are trans, and there are men who pretend to be women, and these are two different things that are not the same.
One thing I didn't mention in the comment on the previous upload is how unnecessary it is that Ace reveal Einhorn's transness at all, anyways. Why did the movie forget that Dan Marino was right there? I mean, it didn't in the sense that Dan points out the tuck, but that's not how he could have proven everything. He was abducted by Einhorn, who revealed this to him. He was right there watching as Ace came in to save him and Einhorn made the radio call and implicated Ace. He's not unconscious during any of this and isn't gagged in any way, and all he has to say is something to the effect of "Einhorn is the one who kidnapped me". Did they really think the testimony of the kidnap victim, who is also a famous professional athlete, would mean nothing in such an instance?
As someone who has never watched the movie, and thus all my knowledge comes from this video and the comments, this is an absolutely insane thing to learn! Just,,,, all of the transphobia could’ve been entirely avoided AND it would’ve been a more plausible ending
Yes, hahaha! Honestly. And during their investigation, they could've found that Einhorn and Finkle were the same through fingerprint comparison. No need to violently disrobe someone against her will. They should've arrested her *and* Ace after this scene.
"One thing I didn't mention in the comment on the previous upload is how unnecessary it is that Ace reveal Einhorn's transness at all, anyways."
EINHORN WAS DEAD. EINHORN NO LONGER EXISTED. The movie explicitly said that Lois Einhorn was a hiker who went missing. Ray Finkel, in order to hide from the police, stole her identity through plastic surgery. It's ambiguous whether he murdered her. Einhorn is not a trans woman. She's a dead woman. Ray Finkel is a cis male murderer.
@@AlexReynard I understand that, but easily can forget the character's real name. My mistake.
@@karabearcomics Allright. And, looking back over your comment, your logic is perfectly sound.
[sigh] I just felt like I was losing my mind reading these comments. Nearly everyone here sees a character that is shown to be an inhumanly-obsessed crazy murderer, and they feel sympathy for him. More than that, the people who insist you shouldn't judge gender by appearance alone are insisting Ray Finkel is trans based on appearance alone. It's mind-boggling.
Interesting how he sexually assaults a character played by a cis woman actress, on screen, for the (male) audience's pleasure, in order to police her gender, out of the fear she is trans. Says some shit.
In the 80s, Revenge of the Nerds, which was a very popular movie of the time, had a group of nerds and freaks. An openly gay guy was placed in their group as one of the freaks. That same movie had the gang install hidden cameras in the girl's dorm bathrooms and bedrooms and the guys sat around watching the girls undress and dress all day. They also printed pictures of them naked and sold pies with the pictures fixed to the bottom of the trays for fund raising for their fraternity. More, one of the nerds pretended to be a popular girls boyfriends in a halloween costume so he could trick her into having sex with him.
Go to later and there's a series Verronica Mars where in the third season, one of the guys Veronica knows is part of a fraternity who basically are open about trying to roofie ladies for sex. While the main character is actually fighting this with volunteers, none of the faculty or the police get involved to even slap these guys on the wrist.
Now, I'm not going to justify what happened in any of these shows or claim it isn't that bad.
I will say it was different times and that they were less propaganda and more a reflection or society at the time. I was in high school in the 90s. I won't say everywhere was like my school experience, but if there was even a hint put out you were gay, you had to stomp it out. Even a hint could get people mercilessly bullying you or even get you beat up. The attitude shown in the movie wasn't even a blip back then for a high school kid. It was the expected response from people. That isn't to say it was right in any way, it's just the way most people were back then. People today, and especially young people, are so drastically different from how they were back then.
Keep in mind for the Nerds movie, those guys that did those things were lauded as heroes in the show and the audiences of that time didn't balk at what happened. Things like panty raids, a ritual where guys would race into a girls dorm and steal the ladies panties off of them and run away with them was considered something that always happened at colleges and universities. It was an accepted norm back then. Different times.
It might say some shit if this happened but it doesn't
Transphobia goes hand in hand with sexism.
honestly until the reveal of Captain Winky the point of the scene is to make Ace the butt of the joke not Einhorn
he keeps trying to prove some point & is repeatedly proven wrong
everyone in the room is obviously judging him while he makes a jackass of himself
*no one* is oggling Einhorn & actually the movie seems to want u to feel sympathetic towards her. She's visibly uncomfortable so clearly the movie isn't framing her as being on display in a positive way
now this is all building up to a rugpool when Ace is proven right, but up until that point nothing about the scene is meant for the *"(male) audience's pleasure"*
kind of the opposite actually ur *supposed* to feel uncomfortable
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all the years I was aware of Revenge of the Nerds existence people only said good things about it (it is kind of a funny movie)
I'm still shocked that the main character orally raped someone & it's seen as a happy ending
how the hell is her reaction a positive one?
wth movie?
This film aged like milk left on an Arizona patio. As a kid it always confused me how everyone was more freaked out by the reveal that Einhorn was Finkle than her being a murderer who manipulated her way to the top of the police department. Like, seriously?!
As an adult I tried to revisit it, but aside from the problematic 90's "no homo" transphobia message I also realized it was a shitty attempt at mocking The Crying Game.
Freaked out by identity theft under their noses for years? Sure. Mere "ZOMG I didn't kiss a perfectly cis woman"? Obviously not
that *is* the point though. The reveal that Einhorn is Finkle is important because it's the reveal that Ace's boss was the villain of the story who he was looking for all along
how do u miss the point of the movie while mentioning the point of the movie?
@@teddybaker4759 I guess to clarify, Ace and everyone else is more freaked out that they've had relations with a man than the fact that same person is a murderer and master manipulator.
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fair. hard to say exactly
they probably feel violated. Most straight guys & lesbians *would* feel freaked out that a biological male had kissed them under false pretenses
where as cops they'd be more prepared to deal with a criminal & murderer because they're straight up *looking* for that as their job
I'm bi & anti-cop so it's hard to put myself in their shoes
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I will mention that for Ace specifically his first reaction was actually excitement that he'd put the pieces together (he's a little egocentric) then his secondary reaction was being freaked out
I liked the sequel much better as a kid. I haven’t seen it since becoming an adult but I remember the woman turning out to be a man.
This is interesting! I may have misread this scene when I first watched it. I figured with Einhorn portrayed as hypersexual, even flirting with Ace, who she couldn't stand. Thus, when all the police react negatively, I had presumed that she had been similarly intimate with every member of the precinct who was present. Ace's love interest (presumably) hasn't been intimate with Einhorn, so to me that explained why she has no reaction.
I think that is the intended joke here. The only disgust up to that point had to do with having been intimate with her, not generally with trans bodies as a whole. Not trying to defend the movie, just pointing out a specific misread of a particular joke.
glad I got to watch the less censored version earlier today. watched through this one to give you the extra view though. thank you for your videos I love watching them when new ones come out!
i used to watch this movie all the time as a kid, but the third act always felt weird to me. as i got older i learned why, and it's cause of what you've talked about here. nice video! i missed it the first time, but I'm aware of what you showed lol
I think this contributed to me not knowing trans people existed until I was 30 years old. Media presents a caricature of trans people that does not make sense.
"I think this contributed to me not knowing trans people existed until I was 30 years old"
I knew about them since I was, like, ten. You'd never heard of Wendy Carlos? Never seen Tron, or A Clockwork Orange, or The Shining? You'd never heard of Chaz Bono? You'd never seen a film by the Wachowskis?
@@AlexReynard All of those are completely possible, yes. I've only seen or heard about half that shit and only one of them stands out in my mind as being related to trans people.
I have no ide who Wendy Carlos or Chaz Bono is, but the Shining and Clockwork orange are R rated movies how did you see them at 10 years old? And Tron is a very obscure movie, I reckon very few people have seen it who arent movie buffs. Ive only seen the Shining from these and I don't remember anything trans in it. For me, when I ve seen crossdressing or references to transness I didn't understand it and tought it was a movie thing.@@AlexReynard
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Not only would ten-year-olds not necessarily watch those movies, but not all of them would also be like "Oh, I love the soundtrack, who is that? Walter Carlos? I have to look him up- Oh! WENDY Carlos now."
@@AlexReynardI have never heard of any of those movies besides The Shining, and I haven't even watched it. I think you're probably the only person in the world who knows of all of those lmfao
Watched this once already before the reupload, rewatching and commenting for engagement! Love your content ❤
This is honestly one of the most well written and executed video essays I've ever seen. Really looking forward to watching your other videos, Lily.
So Ace Ventura just… assaults and sexually harasses this woman? That’s insane.
And somehow he’s the hero …
Yes, and the fact that it was a trans woman is what made it acceptable to the public. Even in the '90s most people understood that sexually harassing and assaulting cis women is wrong, but there was (and is, but it was worse then) a pervasive belief that people with penises can't be the object of sexual harassment or assault. She was framed as being "really a man" which made the attack much more palatable to the audience.
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@@AtomikNYThis attitude is also how we got Poison. Capcom's localization team thought American audiences wouldn't feel good about beating up women, so Poison (and Roxy) were changed to be "transvestites". Joke's on them though because Poison is now iconic.
And all the cops around him are just…. Watching. Really just letting him do it.
I liked this movie as a child. I watched a review of it as an adult, and I was like, "Oh! This is part of the reason why I thought SA was totally normal for so long."
No, no. I can assure you that virtually everyone who watched this movie did not have that reaction. And the "sexual assault" was only okay in the context that it was revealing the identity of an attempted murderer. You can't blame this movie for you having such an abnormal thought.
@AlexReynard
????? how even in context does it make it more okay as a joke?
This is like the peak of decades of casual sexual assault on women shown in movies with no consequence, or plot relevance to the protagonist in relation to the assault.
@@hannah8068 PREACH!!!!!!
SA?
@@LadyOfTheEdits SA is short for sexual assault. RUclips doesn't like those words to be used in the comments, so we've had to develop abbreviations.
Just saw the community post and checked to make sure its still up, its unfortunate RUclips decides the video tackling offensive content, is in itself offensive, meanwhile they allow the clip itself to appear anyone on the site.
Ill be watching this shortly, very familliar with the whole story and the disgusting plot points in the movie
Thanks for everything you do, Lily.
I'm glad you reuploaded so mad they took it down for discussing and pointing out crap parts of media
That goes for comments, too. You can be banned from youtube for responding negatively to fascist comments. It's happened to me multiple times now. RUclips openly knows they're promoting an evil agenda. They just don't care because it's profitable.
I just clicked in here to give you an upvote and apologize that I don't think I can watch this. I don't know if i was read, I was in high school and we were seniors and it was the end of the year so we weren't doing anything and someone brought this movie and we watched it as a group, and we got to those points and everyone was laughing so much and I was scared as hell. But I wasn't even out to myself yet, I didn't understand why I was so incredibly scared. I've never seen it again after that day in 1997
🫵😐 troon
Genuinely surprised there wasn't more emphasis in this video on how, prior to the reveal, Finkle is already portrayed as having been mentally unwell. He's a man who's pretending to be a woman because he's crazy, you see. In the film's twisted logic, that's the only reason that could make sense.
Oh yeah and also how she completely skips over that the real Einhorn lady was missing and her ID stolen. Not at all stuff Transwomen would do. Ray Finkle never cared about being a woman he just wanted to destroy Dan Marino. Worse off thanks to his parents saying he was right in hating and blaiming Dan.
So, the movie is transphobic and ableist!
No, he's a man who's pretending to be a woman to hide from cops, and to commit murder. He stole a missing hiker's identity through plastic surgery. He may even have murdered her. These comments acting like Ray Finkel is a victim are absolutely horrifying to me.
You do realize that Einhorn was a corrupt cop who had already murder one person, kidnapped a man and a dolphin and was trying to kill Dan and Ace right? She commanded her force to shoot an unarmed man. Ace did what he had to do to prove she was behind all of it and save himself from being arrested.
@@Pope54x It's not about the plot, but about how the images are used in the film
Ive already watched it today, but if you had to reupload because of youtube censoring... Im gonna give it another view to support you, love your content 💜
So it's not just me! Whew!
I do this with all the smaller creators I like. Engagement and views are super important for channels like this, and I genuinely want more people to see Lily's content, so you bet I'm the type to spend an extra half hour listening to her calming and comfortable cadence as she dives into the hurtful reality of fiction.
@@Jane-oz7pp I just finished the re-upload.
same here!
I hope this stays up now, I missed it the first time and after watching I found this was very important for me to watch
Although this movie is well… not great for trans representation, it is a fact most men would kill to have a one night stand with Sean Young whether she has a “gun” or not.
She is transition goals the character being horrifically humiliated.
Also kinda interesting that she played another trans-adjacent character (Ms. Hyde) in Dr. Jekyll & Ms. Hyde.
As for the "just a joke" defense, it is never "just a joke". Nothing is ever "just a joke". The things we choose to make jokes about make very real statements about what we believe and what we value.
everything is just a joke. Existence itself is just a joke
nothing matters, not even human life. Value is arbitrary
Everything is hilarious
I'm not saying that to defend a movie. Just incredibly cynical & wanted to correct ur backwards comment
Everything matters to somebody. Nihilism is just another opinion. So is cynicism. It's also illogical not to value one's own survival and species. I pride myself on my sense of humor but nobody thinks everything's funny, because some jokes are in bad taste, bigoted or corny.@@teddybaker4759
@@teddybaker4759Existence may be a joke, but it's still our job to take responsibility over the comedy we produce. Saying that everything is hilarious might be useful when it comes to coping with the terror of the brevity of our lives, but we still have responsibilities toward each other, how we treat each other, and the messages we create about each other.
@@zoyadulzura7490
absolutely
objectively speaking nothing matters
but people generally agree on ideas & things being valuable & I'm with that
"The things we choose to make jokes about make very real statements about what we believe and what we value."
Translation: "Fiction is reality, because that way I can be offended by it. It's not that I'm humorless, it's that everyone else is wrong."
I’m old enough to have been there when this movie was hugely popular. I can say from personal experience that stuff like this contributes to keeping people closeted. Not the movie, itself, but the things I heard people say about the type of representation it presented.
Lily, I love you and your insight into this sort of media. Forgive me for not having the stomach for this episode. I trust you do a great job in your writing as always, but this movie is just one I simply cannot remind myself of. That being said, keep up the great work in withstanding this shit!! love from a southern US trans girl.
Another southern trans gal here. I couldn't even sit through this one, it's so bad. My entire family adores this stupid movie.
i don't understand how you can be so sensitive
@@icantpursuewhatimtrulypass7335 People have feelings, cry about it.
God what you can be like in 20
The movie would have been like 1000x better if Monica turned him down after that and when he's like "Wait, why?! I'm a hero, I caught the murderer!" she'd been like "Because I'm trans, asshole." and Ace actually had to examine his biases.
Or she turned him down for literally sexually assaulting, forcibly stripping, and exposing the sex assigned birth of a woman in front of a bunch of people…after making out with that trans woman and admitting to it.
Like wtf if that isn’t a red flag I don’t know what is
Imagine if Ace was wrong and we were supposed to laugh at him for being so transphobic. Then the real villian turned out to be the police team leader (the big guy) or something and Monica exposed that, not Ace. Or hell, the harassed character with her underwear out could've been the one to do it. "As I was saying before ACE showed up...." Then Ace could've been like "maybe I should stay in my lane and take care of animals". I mean the 90s DID have a feminist wave, it wouldn't have been THAT farfetched. This is the same decade that gave us The Mummy
@@falconeshieldthat's what I was thinking would save this movie when I watching it. I did think it was kind of funny how extreme Ace's reactions and the conclusions he came to were. And I could see how they could still have him like that as a way to make fun of transphobia. But I was pretty sure the people making the movie were on his side
That sounds awful
@@leonrussell9607 Bro, if a 5 second change consisting solely of a simple "the 'hero' doesn't get the girl in the end because he was a shitty person in a way that directly affected her" sounds "awful" to you then I have to assume you either like the film portraying the only trans rep as a murderer and sexual predator and frames it as funny and good to be transphobic, or think the 'hero' should always get the girl and there's no value or comedy in subverting that trope.
All this change would do is:
-change the last maybe 5 minutes of movie, subverting the hero romance cliche and following through on the will they won't they/hard to get thing they had going on
-Show trans women are just normal women and not shameful or unfortunate to have as partners, as she's presented as a very desirable romantic lead the entire movie and never othered
-gives consequences to Ace's transphobia, losing a relationship with a woman he really liked and who liked him, and let's the prior attitudes be read as a mockery of/joke about transphobia and cishet male insecurities about attraction to femme AMAB people, and subverts the expectation of the movie just being transphobic with an unrelated cis romantic interest.
And all it would take would be: Ace comes onto Monica at the end expecting to be praised for catching the killer, Monica being like "Ha, no way, buddy, not interested, but good job I guess." Ace being like "Do you mind me asking uuuh WHY? I... Thought we had something here!" in typical Jim Carrey fashion, and then Monica to give an "Uh Duh" face and go "Cause I'm trans, asshole?" And then have Ace look shocked and heartbroken as she scoffs and wonders off. It could fit perfectly and make for a more positive, funny, unique conclusion.
I missed seeing this the first time. I hope RUclips doesn't screw up again
I just want to add Jim has spoken out agaisnt Ace and the movies. He said he would do it so differently today. That its ridiculous how it was done. He regrets it deeply.
he also thinks vaccines cause autism so that kinda cancels it out
@@LieseFuryNo human being is truly good or worthy of love and care.
@@mr.x2567
uh wrong
*all* humans are truly good & worthy of love & care
@teddybaker4759 So someone who wants people dead for their immutable characteristics (sexuality/sex/gender/race/etc) is worthy of love? Rapists are worthy of love? Murderers? Terrorists? No. And neither are you.
nobody’s perfect
Cishet male character after having sex with teenager: Haha whoops, she said she was 18!
Cishet male character after having sex with adult trans girl: *vomits*
Ah yes very cool Hollywood, very nice tropes there.
I’ve always had a bad feeling about Ace Ventura, my mom loves it but I don’t like it. When she put it on, I couldn’t even look at the screen without cringing.
I think it says a lot when you can very reasonably argue that the sequel where Ace Ventura goes to Africa and deals with a literal African Tribe, with all the jokes you'd expect, is probably the less offensive movie....
So granted I haven’t seen either movie, but it seems odd to compare transphobia to racism and say one is worse, yeah?
@@TheStarGhost Nah, there are absolutely ways you can be more or less racist or transphobic. Like if you accidentally deadname someone and then someone does a minstrel show in blackface, then clearly one of these things is a bit worse than the other, right?
I don't think it's as easy to compare the level of hate the groups themselves get, but I feel like painting an African tribe as a bit weird and ritualistic isn't really QUITE as bad as publicly humiliating someone for their gender identity and directly making a visual gag out of how just existing as a trans person is so gross that everyone just automatically throws up as soon as they realize it.
That's.......... kind-of a lot........... BOY these movies aged like milk......
@@TheStarGhostThey're saying that even with all the racism in When Nature Calls, it's still less offensive than the transphobia in Ace Ventura. Like, AVPD is just that bad.
@@TheStarGhost They're not saying that transphobia is inherently worse or anything like that. They're saying that the second film, as hateful as it is, did not make the only character of a minority group into a villain who is written as and treated as "repulsive" because of the minority group they're in before being sexually assaulted by the protagonist in a way that's framed as sympathetic and comedic. The first film did that in its portrayal of a trans woman.
@@TheStarGhostnah, not if you're comparing examples and not the concepts. Saying a lynching of a trans woman at a Walmart is a worse than a freaky Karen touching a black woman's hair is a totally valid statement. Transphobia is worse than racism is not. Same can hold true for movies, though I haven't seen the sequel
I was literally in the middle of watching when my connection glitched for a minute and then the video was gone! Hope it can stay up this time!!!
Saying the character isn’t trans isn’t a defender because what’s the alternative? The character is a man who changed his name, got surgeries, went on hormones, and had everyone treat him as a woman in order to do crimes? Because THATS definitely not a transphobic stereotype at all…
I saw that scene (and only that scene, not even the whole movie) as a child while I was staying at a friend's house, and even then as a 7/8 year-old, I thought it was deeply fucked up. I didn't know why at the time (maybe the forced stripping and making fun of someone's body made me feel uncomfortable), but it seriously tainted my opinion of Jim Carey decades before I realised I was trans myself.
re-watching since u had to re-upload. so sorry u had to go thru that trouble
So *those* images is what did it...
And yet, you can rent the actual movie on this platform no problem. FFS.
Oh, but of course they wouldn’t take *that* down, it’s a beloved film that makes them money
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@@TobiasFangorIsntCisno it's because the movies store part of this is different to the user created side.
I’m so glad you did this one, I’m sorry you had to watch this movie to do it tho.
She didn't even watch the movie, as she states at the beginning of the video. If she did, she'd know that it's made clear that Finkle isn't actually trans. He sees a news report about a presumed dead hiker whose body was never found named Einhorn, and he plots to assume her identity to evade capture after escaping the asylum. After all, since when do actual trans women take on the identities of missing persons?
Also, the movie is pretty good imo.
When I came out as trans my mom wanted me to watch this movie because “it has trans representation” 😑 Glad she wanted to give me representation, but that wasn’t it 🥶
THATS SO FUNNY THO i mean at least she tried 😭😭😭😭
good thing youtube is so vigilant about revealing clothing! no way you could find sexual content on this here platform!
I remember this movie so vividly from my childhood, never understanding WHY it made me sad and confused any time my dad put it on. Thank you so for talking about, your video was very informative and comforting in a way? It’s nice to know I wasn’t the only person who was affected by this film I guess
"I remember this movie so vividly from my childhood, never understanding WHY it made me sad and confused any time my dad put it on."
It's because you thought Einhorn was an actual woman. No. The character you saw never existed. The movie is explicit about this: Lois Einhorn is a hiker who went missing. Ray Finkel is a cis male murderer who stole her identity. He may even have murdered her. I know it's confusing because the fake Einhorn was played by a cis woman. But you have to listen to what the characters are *saying,* not just judge gender by looks.
Commenting since you had to reupload -- hope this video is still able to get seen by lots of people!
The first video I saw of yours was the Always Sunny episode. Well done. After watching this I am now a subscriber. Excellent work.
I'd love to see a video on the silence of the lambs controversy! I think it's a great movie but I understand why it gets a lot of accusation of being trasnphobic. I think it's interesting how it sort of has the same problem of Ace Ventura- but I actually think it handles it with more nuance and does a better job of trying to distance it's trans adjacent villany from actual trans people. (the moment i point to is when Clarice is discussing the case with Hannibal, Hannibal basically says Buffalo Bill is in fact just mentally ill and not trans, which he does make sure to make a distinction, implying that trans identity on its own is not seen as inherently bad or mentally ill here, and to which Clarice says that she's met many 'passive' transgender people, agreeing that trans people are not violent or hurtful.) Yet it still caused harm, which is unfortunate because I think it shows that how a more nuanced situation can be twisted into a rhetoric by transphobes. But then again, I am not trans, and would like to see a good take on it that isn't my own! Just a starting point from my opinion :)
Didn't they have to add a disclaimer to that movie that explicitly said that it did not reflect trans people in any way? I heard it still caused issues, regardless. That was before my time, though.
Lindsay Ellis talks about The Silence of the Lambs in ''Tracing the Roots of Pop Culture Transphobia'' (but it's a hard one to watch). In the book both Clarice and Hannibal repeatedly say that Bill is not trans, they even use that argument to get the medical data from trans health centre, as the doctors would not be outing one of their patients, so I think the author was at least partially aware of how that plotline would be perceived and was *trying* to not be transphobic. However, I don't think it worked in the end and the film/book definitely fell right into the transphobic territory anyway: even if the argument is ''Bill is not trans, he is mentally ill and just thinks he is trans'', it still doesn't work in real life because transphobes think that trans people are not trans, they just think they are.
thats literally what transphobes think trans women are
The problem though is that nobody's going to remember that small dialog-heavy-scene where they're trying not to be transphobic, all they'll remember is the psycho-killer dressed in drag, that's what sticks out in anyone's memory, and that's why this movie is transphobic, it spawned the stereotype, they knew it might happen, but they made the film anyway. :V
Wonderful video! As a queer person who somehow blocked out this little piece of childhood media, this was a wild ride expertly dissected. Also, LOVE the FALGSC poster, wish I knew where to get that!
I have a good one for you… this is one I haven’t seen talked about even though it’s pretty bad: The series finale of Nickelodeon cartoon As Told by Ginger. It’s a two part episode called The Wedding Frame. As much as I love As Told by Ginger, I always think about how awful the trans/drag queen is treated (it’s one of those cases where the line between the trans and drag is very VERY blurred but I personally think the character is trans). I have my own thoughts about it but I would like to hear other’s thoughts.
Never watched it, but you got me curious.
I regret looking it up, but you're totally correct.
@@nobody.of.importanceOOF
I don’t remember that episode but wow, I thought that show would’ve handled such a topic better.
I loved this movie as a kid, and still do find some parts of it really funny. But back then I was always confused as to why everyone considered it so bad and gross that Einehorn "was" a man. I remember thinking "so what and?". Now as a gay man I know how horribly bigoted and transphobic it is. But I think its still possible to watch it these days and enjoy it whilst still pointing out how transphobic it is and having a conversation about it, and while we'd all like to think media like this is a thing of a by gone era, sadly that is not the case.
I mean I don’t see anything wroth watching it for it’s crappy comedy and transphobia. But I hate most comedy movies in general
After seeing your Boy Meets World video, which I loved the analysis of, I was legit thinking of this movie and you this morning. Oh boy, this ain't gonna be as positive. 😆Here goes my next half an hour.
I'm 41 and my God, the 90s and 00s were trashy in so many ways and I'm grateful for wokeness no matter how many people deride it.
I don't think I felt one way or another about this when I was 12 and saw this in the theater. I liked the "It's Pat" character and have like a yeesh response thinking about that now, for instance. But hateful stuff can go right over kids' heads if they don't know any better. The stuff with Einhorn is so wtf.
The ending where he is harassing her so cruelly is the only thing I remember about the movie. It was weird the movie focused so much time towards the types of jokes you cover and not like idk funny animal things.
Holy shit thank you for this video, I remember feeling so gross while watching it as a kid and I did not remember why.
Whenever I think of how much I liked this movie as a little kid (years before I understood what it meant), I want to vomit as much as Ace Ventura when he learns about Einhorn 😒
Yeah, seeing this before I really understood anything outside of the cishet paradigm, I had a moment of "Oh. Ohhh.." when I first learned of "trans panic".
Same. I remember loving this movie when I was younger, but I mostly just remembered the funny, kooky, wacky shit Ace does, as well as the animal scenes, and I didn't remember a thing about the main plot or main antagonist. A few months into the pandemic, I saw it was on Netflix, so I decided to watch the movie over again, but the funny scenes were fewer and further between than I remembered, and at that climactic reveal at the end, I (a cis guy) was wretching at how horrifically transphobic it was.
I think I'll always love Ace's general concept and the energy that Jim Carrey puts into him and a lot of the actually harmless jokes still land for me but... I literally can't even watch the movies anymore, there's so much problematic shit going on. Not just the transphobia but also the rampant racism of the second movie and their general treatment of women. Best I can do is look up clips of my favorite moments outside of the many (many) problematic ones.
I really liked/like this movie until the end, like it’s fun and silly and doesn’t make sense, it’s just the ending that kinda ruins it from me cuz of the aforementioned transphobia, but also how he straight up assaults her (ripping off her clothes)
As a little kid I preferred When Nature Calls.
I remember watching this movie with one of my classes in junior high and it was such an uncomfortable experience 💀
I watched this movie with my family as a small child. My mom got really upset throughout and ended up shutting it off at the start of the clothes ripping, I didn’t know how it ended until I watched a Lindsay Ellis video years later. I wish I remembered mom’s exact reaction, but I do remember her berating my father for assuring her it was a family movie, and dad saying that he was sorry and had thought that it was when he rented it
Thank you for making such a thoughtful analysis on this. It’s interesting to look back and remember the joy that came from enjoyment of these kinds of media while still today being conflicted now that I have a better understanding.
as a trans person who watched mixed nuts (this silly little kinda meh nora ephron movie that came out in the same year as ace ventura), i was... oddly surprised? there liev schreiber played a goth trans girl who was mostly treated the bare minimum and got a happy ending w a boyfriend who adores her to bits and everything. obviously its not a portrayal without problems but the contrast to einhorn sticks out to me
I learned everything I need to know about The Crying Game from TV Tropes.
Also you said it, you should do it.
And maybe Myra Breckinridge.
I watched both your original version and this reupload... for the algorithm.
I'm honestly horrified nobody questioned that scene during the production at very least due to pretty explicit sexual violence against a female actress for a PG13 movie.
I really don't believe both the actress and women on set were comfortable with it or maybe I'm just too naive to believe saying "no no this character is actually a guy" made everyone ok with recording it. But then i guess transphobia goes perfectly in hand with misogyny...
*actor not actress, actress is a misogynistic term
@@MrChazzarelli i mean this in best way possible - go outside
Suggestions you said? You probably had a couple dozen people tell you about that show already, but I recently watched Onimai without any prior knowledge about it and wow... that show is wild.
Either way, I saw Ace Ventura as a kid, but even back then, when I knew basically nothing about trans people and representation, that ending struck me as deeply weird and unnecessary cruel. Great video!
Onimai is certainly an interesting one. The problem with covering it is that a depressingly large amount of fanbase knee-jerk rejects the idea of Mahiro as trans and are aggressive in their defense of their interpretation.
Oof, growing up, this and Pat snl being some of my close friend's and relative's favorite comedy pieces gave me trust issues. Here's hoping the vid stays up!
That scene is absolutely anxiety inducing and breaks my heart. It's an absolute terror to watch
It’s just a movie. Stop being so easily offended. Today’s generation is such a joke.
dude stop going to every comment just to whine about people not liking the movie. you seem to be the type to defend movies like cuties because “it’s just a movie”
@@Snowbird_89 Joe mama
Also don't worry dude, you're valid in your sadness. Transphobia can be truamatizing based off our experiences where it could literally get ourselves killed and or socially outcasted
@@Snowbird_89mi mama esta besando tu mama, son novias ☆
that scene of the cop being assaulted like that in front of so many people makes me sick to my stomach. i had a feeling it was going to be bad but wtf
I remember watching this film as a kid and being horrified at the stripping scene. I didn’t register the whole transphobic joke of it; all I saw was a powerful woman having her agency (quite literally) ripped away. It changed the way I saw other women, reducing them to their bodies instead of their individuality. Thanks for talking about this.
Thanks so much for posting again! Gonna watch this one today
Thank you for the info, Sir. Gonna get an Ace Ventura poster for my movie room. 🙂
There's a weird dichotomy in the making the film. They made the trans character a reasonably fleshed out character with a full background surrounding the trans character (that's good). They went the whole hog implying surgery (I don't think the concept of bottom surgery was really developed in that time so it makes sense that that wouldn't have been finished) and that they had lived as a woman for years without issue (that's good). They made the character attractive to other people because they're indistinguishable from other women (that's good)... But then they threw it all away for 1 joke. It's weird to think that if they had a slightly different goal, the film could have been a fairly progressive film but we have to remember that the 90s weren't exactly a progressive time. I haven't actually seen ace Ventura so I can't comment on how much the reveal really impacts the plot but it feels like it spoiled any impact it had a potential to have.
I watched this movie as a child (I think I was 10 or 11?) when it had recently come out. My older sister and parents had to explain what was going on because I didn't understand how a woman could be a man or why the men were disgusted. I didn't even get what the lump in the back of her pants was meant to be. I honestly think it shaped my understanding of trans people for years until I actually had the opportunity to listen to trans people speak for themselves thanks to RUclips. I didn't hate them or anything but it was more like I didn't understand they existed because the media paradigm was exactly this - trans women are actually men trying to trick people. I really think this film is dangerous and damaging in hindsight. So much of it went over my head as a kid :( I loved the movie for the physical comedy and felt like I was so mature for laughing at sexual humour I didn't actually understand. I haven't watched it since but I don't think I ever will, that scene where he rips off her clothes is horrific:o
I saw it at about the same age as you and nobody explained it to me but I still sort of understood it, I just didn’t know how a man could look so much like a woman and I just felt like Ace was upset because it made him gay to make out with a man and being gay was a sin according to some of the views of Christianity I had been exposed to (although I didn’t understand why?) I felt like those parts showing that she was a man were inappropriate for children.
I'm relieved to know that we as a society just accepted that this movie had bad representation and didn't let it be a big deal. Given how beloved Jim Carrey still is, the fact that we haven't gotten into a "people too woke" defense with this one is a minor miracle. I was a child of the 90s so I saw this film a lot and I don't think I processed the problems with it until a few years ago when the arguments against it began surfacing. It was all catchphrases and faces to me, but it's moments like that reveal that makes me wonder what other harmful media I witnessed that created implicit biases in my impressionable mind. Your series is great as usual. Keep up the good work.
Watching your videos have helped me learn more about how media portrays trans wrong, but even before that I was trying to point out the obvious wrongs to people around me, and it hurt that they couldn’t understand
Remember watching this as a kid and it made me feel so uncomfortable even then
Lol
Actually that was one of the most hilarious scenes in a comedy I've ever seen. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your video gave me an entire new appreciation for how much i love that movie. Thank you for this
I'm loving the review so far 🙏
Had to hop onto my account so I could like and comment 😄
Thanks for another awesome review and I hope life is treating you well 🦔
Worth noting is that Courtney Cox's sister-in-law (at the time) was trans... fwiw.
Roxanne Arquette?
Habe you heard of Sorority Boys? That was my first trans adjacent exposure as a kid, very problematic these days
What happens in it?
Coornation Street had a transfemme character iirc from my mom forcing me to watch that show with her when i was a kid. I can’t remember how poorly it was handled but i remember it being a huge overblown drama point for the show.
There is a character, not sure if its the one youre speaking of, but she was a trans woman in a committed relationship for years prior to her death in the show.. The whole time that I was watching I was actually unaware the character was trans- I wonder if this is the woman you speak of- but her positive relationship with her husband and their bond, especially as she was sick and on her deathbed, was loving and wonderful, and hopeful-- I felt like it wasn't represented poorly at all, at least in the 2010s.
I don't know how the show handled Hayley's transition because I was too young at the time. I did watch the show for a while in the early 2000s, though, and I recall that there was a villain character who deadnamed her, and it was clearly framed as "this is a nasty thing that the villain does to show he's a villain". Now I'm wondering if there is a decent retrospective/breakdown of her portrayal over the years.
Sorry I heard you say super bowl like 'superb owl' and immediately thought of wwdits, the honk that just left my body lmao
So glad I cought the first upload. But I'll be sure to give this version a watch for the algorithm.
If I'm not mistaken, this was my very first exposure to trans people in media at a much younger age. In hindsight it's no wonder that my transphobic folks owned it on DVD.
Of course, I am now a trans woman myself, and am shocked and appalled at just how aggressively unfunny this fucking movie is. I remain eternally grateful to have grown so much as a person, since the days when I laughed unironically at this shitpile.