Pentium 4 Willamette & Radeon 9550 XP Computer
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Winter is coming...and I really need to keep my nostalgia in check, so I've bought this $10 Pentium 4 from 2002.
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Components
→ Pentium 4 Willamette
→ MSI 845 Ultra-C
→ 1.5 GB DDR
→ ATI Radeon 9550 DDR
Games
→ Unreal Tournament 99
→ Warcraft III
→ Call of Duty
→ Unreal Tournament 2004
→ Colin McRae Rally 2005
→ Oblivion
#retro #computer
This is the perfect PC to showcase why everyone hated Windows Vista on release. I know because i had these specs in 2007.
Maybe I will upgrade at some point :)
@@MidnightGeek99 Good luck with the driver hunt if you do. :D
@@fear416 I would be suprised if I won't find the necessary drivers.
@@MidnightGeek99 Yes, but i mean early 2007 drivers and on release vanilla Vista. If you get the latest drivers and Vista SP2 the video wouldn't be very challenging or fun. :)
@@fear416 Ofc, early Vista was the real deal!
A good combo would be to upgrade from Me to Vista.
Nice video :). I had a 1.8 Willamette in my early win xp retro system, but swapped it for a 2.8 P4 Northwood, with a Msi Ti 4200 AGP8X. I really like the 478 P4s with the geforce 4 ti- series gpus for games around 2000- 2002. Looking forward to the next one, Cheers!
Willamette CPUs are really slow in gaming, Northwood is a beast. Nice combo with the GF4 Ti!
Ah! Pentium 4 build! Had a Northwood P4 2.8ghz, ATI 9600XT, SB Audigy 2, DDR 400 on a Asus P4P800 SE motherboard. That gaming PC was a beast back in 2003.Still have most of the parts on a box without a case because PC died on me. I believe because of the bulging capacitors.
Asus mobos were not known for their good capacitors back then, but you can easily replace the capacitors, if not, get another motherboard, that system is gold.
My main gaming system is a Northwood 3.0, and it's glorious :)
I've never seen R9550 with DDR2 memory. It really screams for solid overclocking and better CPU (fast Northwood) for sure. :)
Back then in 2004-5 I had Gigabyte R9550 with Hynix 4ns memory that could be easily overclocked to 400 MHz on core and 280 MHz on memory. After flashing a BIOS from another card (with worse mem timings) memory was even able to do 300 MHz, so I basically got R9600PRO for half of its price. :)
For the moment I have an FX 5900 on my Northwood computer, but the 9550 is something to tinker with, for sure.
I really want to find another Celeron D system...apart from the rattling side panel the experience going from DOS gaming to playing games such has Halo and BF1942 demo - as a kid that kid of leap in performance and graphics was awesome.
At least the board has Rubycon capacitors - no having to worry about the capacitor plague with it (or the Nichicon plague...that killed one of my MSI boards and an Xbox).
The board has 2 bulged capacitors, so I need to replace them until they pop.
DOS to Halo is a very big shift, what happened in-between? :))
@@MidnightGeek99
Now I'm concerned about the longevity of my (formerly sealed NOS) MSI KT6V-LSR.
Nothing. I was given my Mum's first and second PC when she replaced them. Combined they would have cost her less than half the price of her first laptop (P4 HT 3.2GHz Pesario R3000). Going from 80MB to 160GB was pretty substantial too. I could actually have game installed to a HDD instead of a floppy - I regret giving away that old PC.
I remember when Intel released a 3.06 Ghz CPU I was like😱
"3Ghz, bruh, that's crazy!"
The good old Northwood. It's a shame that they've stopped at 3.8, 4.0 GHz would have been so cool ~16 years ago.
@@MidnightGeek99 Yeah.
They planned to release Tejan with up to 7GHz, but resigned because they consider forcing users to get a water-cooled system a crazy idea. If only they knew...
Made some benchmarks today. Willamette 1.8Ghz, 512MB SD RAM, XP Pro. As a cooler I use a socket 604 server cooler, because you will hardly find coolers for the 423 socket anymore.
3DMark 2001 SE @ 1024 x 768, 32 bit, triple buffering, HW PureT&L
AGP cards
Radeon 9250w 128MB: 4350 pts.
Radeon 1950 GTS w 512 MB: 8870 pts
PCIe cards with PCI bridge
Geforce GT 520 w 2GB: 7070 pts.
Geforce 9600 GT w 512 MB: 7368 pts.
GeForce GT 440 with 1 GB: 7300 pts.
With the PCIe cards you notice that an increase in performance is hardly possible. This is due to the reduced data transfer of the standard 32bit PCI bus. Even (slightly) better results would have been achieved with AGP. You can't expect much anymore due to the high CPU bottleneck.
But it works.
The good thing is that you can theoretically use simple cards like the Geforce GT 520, GT 440, etc. with such an adapter for playing on such old machines. It doesn't fit the era, but the cards are cheap, easy to get and use little power. And you have HDMI, DP etc. And there are fewer and fewer AGP cards and often at greatly inflated and outrageous prices.
The top models need a lot more power and they may only have 1 or 2 frames more with such an old PC.
Willamette with a 9600 GT? :D
Now that's a strange combination...
Midnight rally champion!
Great videos you make. Good infor
mation blend with humor 👍👍😄😄
Thanks a lot :)
It's crazy to think that there are people who appreciate what you're doing, especially that what I'm doing is so random.
I got a Dell with a 2GHz Pentium 4 for Christmas around 2002 or so but I don't remember if it's got the Willamette core or what. I still have that PC with a FX 5600 Ultra and a few other upgrades but it still works and is a great nostalgia machine not just for being period-correct but because it was my gaming machine back in the day.
Willamette or not, 2 GHz P4 was very good in 2002 :)
I have a Willamette cpu on a board that uses rdimm! I’m keeping it as it is rare and the cpu is the first P4
I totally agree with this, I'm planning for a permanent Willamette build myself.
I have a Willamette system, it's 1,5 GHz socket 423 machine that runs with SDRs only. It's a total piece of crap and no one bought it back ina a day, but today it is quite rare and sought after.
You're right, keep the system for yourself :)
Nice video! Greetings from Romania.
Mulțumesc :)
Do you have a spare Pentium III 800mhz system, with a nice 19 inch Trinitron monitor, Soundblaster Live (or was it Audigy by then?) with a Geforce 256? I want to relive the RPG Golden Age. Might need a Pentium MMX as well for the win95 games too. Let me know when you are shipping them to me.
Damn, just remembered; that Pentium had RAMbus RAM. Anyone remember that?
I don't have ANY 800 MHz P3s :)
Yes, Pentiums had Rambus, and in my country are rather rare to find, so no luck here also.
where did you buy it for 10 dollars bro
From some random dude on the internet :)
@@MidnightGeek99 dang i need to meet more random dudes on the internet :D
@@markluke9583 :))
@@markluke9583 if you look online every day you'll find some stuff
from ebay?
Superb video, but from my testing with Willamette Pentium 4's ram and clock speed plays a huge factor in performance. I have a 1.7ghz socket 423 pentium 4 with 512mb of SDR ram I got it overclocked to 2.1ghz and the performance was SO MUCH BETTER. I also have a 1.8ghz Pentium 4 also Socket 423 with 2gb of Rambus ram and the performance seemed pretty decent but it's a proprietary Dell motherboard with no overclocking sadly.
The Pentium 4 architecture needs high clock speeds to be fast, that's why after 2 GHz, Pentium 4 begun to be faster than Athlon XP.
man... that was my first PC case
Not very unique, but good looking nonetheless.
Does it have a model number?
nice pc case!
It's ok, it needs some..."tweaking", but it's a nice base for a nice future computer.
WOOOOW SOCKET 478 WILLIAMETTE! Rareeeee!
Weren't socket 423 the rare ones?
@@MidnightGeek99 most Williamette I’ve found the wild have been 423. If they’re rare now it’s because people threw them out. Most 478 machines I’ve seen were at least upgraded to Northwood.
Williamette is just so weird all around. It’s like it’s almost a pentium 4? But it’s still slower than a pentium iii tualitin or thunderbird 1ghz it feels like
Willamette was a failure, yes.
Yeah winter time awake those retro cravings.
For 10 $ it's worth the case is funky.
9550 should perform better on faster CPU, but starting it without cooler it's a miracle it combust itself
$10 well spent, for sure!
I'm suprised that the system did not shutdown after going past 90 degrees.
@@MidnightGeek99
Thanks for pinup.
Well it didnt catch on fire and for 10$ you got thrill from exploring time capsule :)
Cheap old PC are like geek kinder surprises for me
@@RaPtOr9600 "Cheap old PC are like geek kinder surprises for me"
I couldn't agree more!!
awesome buy for 10! enjoy :) ireally do not trust the ati drivers, i rember 20k 03 with 9800 pro and p4 setup....nowdays only 16k with same setup...
No one trusts ATI drivers :))
@@MidnightGeek99 have some willys but indeed they are slow...like 1.8 north better than 2.0 willy oced to2.2...but willys are good for some 423 socket nostalgia kick..and as you said quite snappy:) take care, see you at the next one, happy xmas
@@johnk7134 Thanks, you 2!
Pentium 4 had some things going for it at the beginning, but not gaming performance :)
Wait is that DDR??? Wtfffff. Okay maybe this Williamette will be faster than the ones I remember. I just remember them either having slow sdram or awful rambus
Yeah, DDR made all the difference for Intel. Rambus was nice, but expensive.
@@MidnightGeek99 have you ever troubleshooted a machine for 4 hours only to realize it didn’t have its terminator installed for the other RAM slot and that’s why it couldn’t boot? Ugh rambus
You could have made a great Windows 98 PC with this. Just use some programs to slow down the CPU if needed. Quite valuable. I do not get the challenge in making a XP gaming PC. A GTX560, 270x and dual core or more is all you need for XP games.
Indeed, this is a late 98 system, but there were a lot of people that used this CPU way into XP era, and this is what I wanted to see, how well did it cope :)
Although it's somekind of fun to use overpowered components for XP PC, it does not tickle my nostalgia like it should.
@@MidnightGeek99 For me, computer nostalgia is a Windows 98 PC. It must depends on our age and what we used first. I prefer a fast Windows 98 PC to a slow XP machine. The pieces for a Win98 PC like pentium 1 are so old, a more recent 478 motherboard has more life left in it. Selling these pieces at a good price make more sense them piling them up for an XP PC that will not be build. I do like XP because it is easier and can be installed to a great range of PCs. But the games do not appeal me that much.
@@st-gelaisrene3287 Exactly, it depends on age and others. I've started with 98 and ME, but lately I've had bad luck with using Athlon64s and late Pentium 4s in 98, that's why my next build that I will keep permanently it will be an Athlon 1100 and GeForce2, with Win 98.
However, I agree that Pentium 4s are excellent for Windows 98 builds: fast, reliable, easy to find, extremely cheap.
Oblivion really needs that 1 gig of ram. 22 fps aint that bad!
It's quite decent, considering the specs. Actually, 1.5 GB :)
_"Was I scammed?"_
Orice este posibil pe OLX, mai ales la 70 lei cat era PC-ul. Si eu am dat 80 lei pe o ragalie, tot pentru piese :))
Posibil sa fi dat si eu peste anuntul ala, ma mai holbez si eu din cand in cand sa vad ce PC-uri retro mai vinde lumea. De obicei ma uit mai mult dupa jocuri retro.
Da, si mie mi-e dor de acele instalere, tin minte ca unele aveau si melodie pe fundal, gen Prince of Persia: Warrior Within si Rise of Nations :)
Eu sunt ft multumit de ce am luat cu banii aia, mai ales ca merge tot din el. Numai carcasa face 50 lei :)
Ah, a willamette on a socket 478 motherboard, nice ! I have a willamette on a socket423 motherboard with rdrams but struggle to find a heatsink...
I'm not touching 423...and to be honest, I did not bump into one in the past year or so.
But of course, there will come a time when I must have a system based on socket 423!
@@MidnightGeek99 The socket 423 is unique for its wierdness. Maybe it is a nice thing to have for collectors. But for retrogaming, a northwood p4 is way more cheaper and easier to find. I'm happy to stick with my northwood system.
@@zhongyangli The main problem is with the RDRAM, it's not that easy to find.
@@MidnightGeek99 For me rdrams are easy to find from the online sellers. sometimes they are not well labeled, but you can identify them rather easily from the look. This seems to be kinda useless effort. I would rather be happy with 845+ddr
That version of the 9550 might overclock too ati 9600 pro speeds 400 mhz core & 300 mhz memory clock, ofc repaste the gpu if you are going too do some shenanigans with overclocking.
I might do some shenanigans, the noise that the cooler makes...it will surely cool the card just fine :)
Probably it worth to see the vram speed. BGA vram chips on a 9550 are very likely rated at 3.3ns, and runs at 300 Mhz without any issue
do you know how to open up the metal retention on the stock cpu heatsink? i have the same cpu socket, but i'm afraid if i force to open it i'm gonna break the plastic mounting 😅
The bracket is just plastic, you just need to pull the 4 plastic things that hold the metal part.
it still might be better than my athlon x2 340
In no way, shape or form :)
Interesting system, like !
Awesome pickup!
What speed is the wilamette?
Thanks. It has 1.6 Ghz.
Northwood was a big step forward from willamette.
It really was :)
My brother in Christ, now MSI will not want to sponsor any of your videos /s
Oh no!!!
Tak!
Hey, thank you very much, I really appreciate it 😊
Hello, Midnight Geek! Today I built a retro pc, which the specs are: Asus a7v400-mx
Amd sempron 2500+
40gb IDE Hard drive western digital
Nvidia geforce2 mx400 64mb
Thermaltake TR2-500
2gb ddr400 ram
I must upgrade the graphics card to something better, because the other agp gpus had died. What gpu would you recommend it?
Awesome! The GPU must be chosen depending on the OS and games that you want to run.
Win 98 or XP? And games until what year? 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 (I hope not)?
@@MidnightGeek99 Well, I'm installing right now windows xp because windows 7 is stubborn when this computer has 2gb ram, I'm planning to install The elder scrolls IV Oblivion, Need for speed most wanted, underground and underground 2, diablo 1, diablo 2,but the gpu doesn't want to run them because of directx 7.
In next week I think, I will gonna have a radeon 9250 from someone, I heard it can run these games because of directx 8.1
@@Kilgore2307 Well, Oblivion and Most Wanted will not run that well on your specs :)
Considering that you have AGP, your best bet is to get a 6800 GS, but you can go higher, such as an x1950 Pro, but your CPU will bottleneck the gpu like crazy.
@@Kilgore2307 Yes, it can, althout I'm not so sure about Oblivion.
Where to download best Geforce 2 mx 400 Drivers?
Nvidia, for the latest driver, but if you want the "best" driver, you have to download the driver from various websites, I won't give any link because I don't trust some of them :)
www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/11/en-us/
@@MidnightGeek99 i mean version of driver, i heard latest drivers are bad
R3xx doesn't like openGL games..
Yeah, so it seems!
Nu pot sa cred ca esti roman:)) Mai rar vad romani cu retro tech
:) Da, pare ca nu sunt asa multi.
i literally stole a pentium 4 531 prescott computer with 1792 mb of ddr400, fx5500 and gigabyte something 1000 motherboard which has integrated graphics, i already have hyundai imagequest v770, but still missing mouse with ball...
the thing is tho the processor is like crazy hot, 50 degrees c in bios, 90+ in games, it just does not care until 100, but the room gets really, really hot while playing something, i mostly play cs 1.6 on that but it is burning like hell
Prescott is really hot, but 90+ degrees is not normal. You either need to change the paste, or use a better cooler.
$10 for this PC is a bargain.
That's right 😀
Where can I buy one? 🤣
Not from Walmart! :)
@@MidnightGeek99 yes
GOG version of UT99 is a broken piece of crap.
:))) I have the CD version, I will use that one instead.
I always wondered if you can put lga775 cooler on s478
Depends on the cooler