Premium Variant BYD Seal DC Fast Charging Speed Test Sydney Australia
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- DC Fast Charging Speed Test of my Premium BYD Seal at Allambie Grove Frenchs Forest Evie Networks EV Charger to verify claims it can charge from 30% to 80% in 26 minutes by BYD Tom aka Tesla Tom of Ludicrous Feed in Sydney Australia January 2024
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00:00 Introduction
00:37 First Mixed Use Range Test Result
01:29 BYD DC Fast Charging speed claim
01:58 Plugging in and initialising charge
04:30 18% 111kW
04:47 Playing with Charge Settings
05:22 Charge location commentary
07:18 Evie app
08:12 33% 111kW
08:27 Why only charge to 80%
09:44 Faster charge without AC?
10:58 Lookaround the area
11:23 DC charger interface
12:25 Comparison of charging session times
13:08 30 minutes is a good charging time
14:05 Efficiency discussion
14:40 Battery Management
15:09 Charge Rate slows down
15:41 80% 79kW
16:14 Unplugging and ending session
17:07 Estimated new range
17:21 Charging session details Evie app
17:48 Comparison with ICE petrol costs
20:02 BYD Seal Charge Curve
20:26 Verifying BYD charging speed claim
20:55 Summary
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So far in my Model Y (since buying in August last year) I've done two road trips from Brisbane to Rockhampton. Both were about 1500km return which included running around in the local Rocky/Yeppoon areas. The extra time it took to charge on each leg was about 1.5 hrs (excluding some time it took waiting for a charger to become available in one instance). Yes I could have saved that time driving an ICE vehicle, but they way I like to look at it is it's time you can use (like you've said here Tom) to have something to eat, use the restrooms, stretch the legs, walk the dog, and just generally sit and relax (Netflix time!!) for a short while. I really find it helps with the fatigue side of things, which is a major issue on our highways which can lead to major injury or death. There's no prizes for arriving at your destination an hour or so quicker! You just need to factor in that extra time needed.
Yes well said, speed and haste on our roads is associated with increased fatalities. Take it easy out there 🙏
Even if an ICE, I'd hope you'd stop for lunch and toilet breaks anyway.. so the real 'normal' comparison would be less again.
Thanks for this video Tom, super useful. I just got the email from BYD that my seal premium has arrived, hopefully I can get the paperwork before I head to Japan next week!
Awesome! Congrats 🎉
Great video Tom. First of all I got super excited to spot a Polestar at 7:45 cruising past! Now, It’s great to show people how chargers work and the Seal did well with its curve. I will say given the penchant for Aussies to drive gas guzzlers such as the Ranger, your comparison to fuel vs DC was generous. Also more likely to be DC charging in regional areas where petrol/diesel is more expensive, such as here on KI where it’s often closer to 2.50 a litre. Hopefully as more competitors enter the market and they start ripping out petrol bowers to replace them with DCs, things may become cheaper but that’s probably wishful thinking! I’m heading off today myself in the Polestar on another road trip, this time from KI to Port Lincoln, testing the RAA’s excellent network along the way. You keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! Yes I wanted to be as generous towards the ICE as I could in my cost comparison to leave no doubt. I’m sure someone will comment that they can get 4L/100km on the highway 😁
Glad you’re enjoying the P2 🙏
@@LudicrousFeed agreed - best to be conservative in these cases!
Took 72 minutes to go from 18% to 100% which honestly wasn’t too bad. Was at a 150kw charger and most of the charge, prior to 80%, it was charging at ~90KW. Pretty impressed. And all for $44, which is a third of what our G20 BMW cost to fill with petrol. Went from 97% to 18% in 349kms, and a majority of it was at ~120kmh down to Berry from Northern Sydney (knowing EVs are less efficient at highway speeds). So by my calculations we’d get about 450kms on one full charge on the highway, and I’m thinking it would run into the 500s if it was all city driving. Very impressed this far with it. Would have never even thought to drive a Seal had it not been for your great videos! Oh and the pano roof def is much cooler in the sun that Teslas, didn’t even get warm in a day of sunshine!
Thanks for sharing your experience! 450km at highway speeds seems quite reasonable 👍
Thanks Tom! Balanced and clear analysis as always.
We charge at home, on solar, regularly. Keeps the cost of owning an EV very low. Good to see such a great DC charge curve on the Seal, especially for road trips!
Keep up the great work!
Thank you! Home charging is possibly the greatest benefit of EV ownership 💪
What's better than low cost home charging? Free public charging 😅 - look it's not as convenient but it may be an option if you're wanting to keep costs really low and you don't have home charging options like some. Jolt gives 7kWh free a day (25kW) and lots of shops have free 11kW AC, provided you can get a spot. All of this costs time, but it's worth it for me, having paid maybe $40 in almost a year of ownership, so like $1/week? 🤑
It’s always Time v Money
Thanks, Tom, for all your BYD content so far. I for one really appreciate it. I’m going off topic here a bit but I’m one of the 1400 customers (as told to me from the Sales Rep in Nedlands, Perth) that have put $1000 down on some variant of the Seal. I’m as keen as mustard to take delivery of mine but alas I was told that there will be only two shipments arriving in Fremantle in 2024, one in April and one in June. Mine is expected in June. Not the early 2024 I was expecting. On a positive note, the test drive went beautifully. Just need to be patient now.
Pleasure! Great to hear there is demand for the Seal 💪
Let’s hope you get yours sooner 🙏
My new ( one week) BYD Seal shut down - no sign of life. Smart key achieved nothing. Rang customer service. Solution was to press a number of times the button on the door handle which fired up all the electronics.
Thanks for your videos on EVs Tom. Great to get an actual users perspective on owning an EV. In regards to why charging slows after 80% the main reason is that charging is not linear like filling a normal gas (petrol) tank. But charging slows as the battery becomes full. When empty, electrons can easily find a spare spot, as the battery fills, it takes longer for them to organise a spare position. As shown in your video, the charge rate started to drop off around 60%... 80% is a good stopoff point. Not quite full, but still a good amount of charge. So, this is a simple explanation and EV owners should look into maximising their batteries life with some simple research. Hope this helps.
Pleasure! And good explanation too 👍
I’ll use this from now on 🙏
Nice flat charging rate, good to see a high output from those chargers I wish more were setup like this.
Yes interesting that BYD charge curve is quite flat whereas with Tesla I’ve found it is more of a linear decrease over time
Again a very practically useful vid 👍🏻💯✅🇦🇺
I really like your fact and practicality focus, without all the fluff that is far too common elsewhere.
Thank you 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it. I try to focus on the important things 🙏
Hi mate can I ask if you have done the figures how much a charge is coating you from home? Really interested in getting the mid range seal.
@@triplex7144 Easy to work out. A full charge is 82kWh. Multiply that what you pay at home $/kWh so for example if you're paying 10c/kWh then it's $8.20 for a full cycle (approx 500km)
Another Great video Tom. Hopefully I can say hello if you are at Everything Electric on the Saturday morning in 3 weeks.
I will be at EE 🙏
LPF batteries, you can regularly charge to 100%
Thanks and I’m well aware that LFP can charge to 100% but as you can see, the final 20% still slows down. This is the same with other LFP cars eg Tesla Model 3/Y RWD variants. I will charge to 100% overnight in my garage given it is usually not time sensitive
The Seal still pulls around 70-80kW up to 90%, so that's a real option
Seeing the AC smart charging option in the menu is great 👍
👍
Thanks so much for your videos 🙏
When do you make some content on installing Android apps on the BYD Seal?
It's a great improvement to the user.
Watching from Portugal 🇵🇹🙏
Sure I’ll see what I can do
As usual no shelter (thanks for making that point). Public charging in Europe is similar - you have to charge in the dark in remote locations whilst out in the snow and rain. And it's a mess of disjointed companies with App after App. In three years I've only had 2 or 3 faultless charging events. The car's fine, public charging is total rubbish.
I agree with this comment whole heartedly. At present EV drivers are being treated like second class citizens
Thanks Tom for another great video.
My pleasure!
Great video!!
Thanks!
One of the Norwegian reviewers found the Atto3 did not appear to be actively managing the battery temperature and appears to hold off until the battery started to get quite warm, maybe the Seal is performing the same routine. I'm not sure if this is the case but worth checking battery condition with car scanner to see what is happening within the BMS.
Yup good point, would be good to find out
Hey Tom, great video as usual, curious what plan is getting you 10c per kWh. Btw picking up my seal today, any tips for pickup day?
I’m with Powershop currently: see my referral details in the video description (scroll down to the Exclusive Deals section)
Good video Tom. Thanks for that information. I’d like to see you try a charge at a Tesla station if only to see how you position the car given the opposite side charge point on the Seal.
V3 chargers don’t work with the Seal. Confirmed as being investigated by BYD.
I’ll charge at a V3 Tesla SC once I see confirmation from BYD that they are compatible
Great video and info Tom 👍
Wondering if you have your range in the car set to dynamic which gives you a more realistic estimate based on your driving habits?
Through a bit of testing in my premium I'd be very confident of a trip of 500klm.
Worst projection of range I’ve had from my Premium is about 460. That was high speed driving on the freeway into a strong headwind. 550km projection on the return!
Thanks! Yes it was on the Dynamic setting for this test
@@LudicrousFeed we always drive in eco mode. We're getting very good range. Great video btw.
No doubt that Tom will never go back to ice cars. I would be surprised if you do. You are very energy efficient guy.
I’d be surprised if I ever go back to ICE 😎
Hey mate, love your content and I did watch your model 3 v seal video..
Do you prefer your Y over the seal?
The Y remains my preference for family road trips given the reliability of the Tesla supercharger network for the places that we as a family prefer to travel to
@@LudicrousFeedthanks
Does the lack of one pedal driving annoy you Tom?
When you reviewed the app, I thought it was a huge omission not being able to schedule and define a limit to the charging. But as you stated, the app is easily updated and this feature should be on its way. Not being able to limit the charge is a major oversight and probably much harder to fix for BYD.
Yes actually that would be good if the charge providers allowed their apps to set a max charge % limit
@LudicrousFeed given the fact that the charger actually sits in the car, it is the responsibility of BYD. The early iPace couldn't do this either (or charge three phase), that's why I didn't buy it, despite loving the look of it. A "charging" station really just provides electricity. All the smarts sit in your car.
@@AKA001the charger can see what the battery level is so it wouldn't be a problem to tell it to stop at 80%
@@AKA001if I'm not mistaken the charger in the car is just to convert AC to DC, since Tom was charging at a DC charger the actual charger is outside the car.
@SS-yw7vo that's not the point mate. I can put a timer on my 240v 10amp socket. The onus is on the car to control its power intake and to at least offer the opportunity to stop it remotely or to know how much time you're going to be somewhere when it hits 80%. Tom is an experienced EV owner and he knows how much of an omission this feature is. And if BYD don't do something about, it will never attract Tesla or Polestar owners. MG, like all other Chinese brands are extremely poor in the ability to manage its charging or their overertness and reliability of the efficiency.
Finally picked up our Seal Perf and love it so far! Ordered everything you had added to yours; the vent covers, sunnies holder, dashcam et cetera! Thanks for all the great advice. Have a question, not sure you can help with advice, but it’s our first EV and the charging bit is a bit daunting. Took us some time last night to find a charger that had a cable from the charger (Evie in Macquarie Centre), but went to a few chargers that had no cables attached to the charger, wondering if you know if there’s a more universal charging cable that we need to buy to use the chargers that say “cables required”. Could you possibly advise what type of cable we’d need to charge the Seal (at ones like Evie or others, and also using a Tesla Supercharger if we are able to get an adapter to use a Supercharger). I assume it’s a male to male connector?, just unsure of the most common type. If you could shed some light, it would be extremely appreciated! Cheers in advance
Congrats! Great to hear you've got all your accessories sorted 🏆
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@@LudicrousFeedthanks Tom! You’ve saved us!
Sorry to bug you Tom, but how in the world do you use a Tesla Suoercharger to charge the Seal? We downloaded the Tesla app and signed in et cetera but the only Superchargers that come up on the app are in Campbelltown! We tried in Macquarie Centre, with their nearly dozen chargers and just couldn’t get it to work. The app wouldn’t even find the chargers on the map. Am I missing something?
@@Audios81 It’s complicated. For non Tesla EVs, there are only certain Supercharger locations that allow you to charge, not all. And within these allowable locations, for BYD Seal, only the V2 superchargers will allow the charge because currently there’s a known incompatibility issue with V3/4 superchargers. In the Tesla app go to “Charge your other EV” under the hamburger menu (top right corner).
Macquarie is a Tesla vehicles only location currently. For non-Tesla EVs, the closest to Sydney would be Campbelltown, Blaxland and Raymond Terrace. However all these are not compatible with the Seal as they are V3/4 superchargers.
It’s a frustrating issue and an unnecessarily complicated one that is affecting the ownership experience. Many BYD Seal owners have already submitted feedback to BYD to provide a solution but they have not been transparent with communication. I’m afraid that this will affect sales if they do not solve this known issue soon. (Comment made April 2024)
My Atto 3 shows on it's display the power actually going into the battery, I expect the Seal is the same. Plugged in to 7kW AC, if the air conditioning is really cranking on a hot day I can see the car drop down to around 4.5kW. You might see the number on the charger change from turning off the A/C but I wouldn't expect to see the number on the car's screen change unless you're limited by the charger.
Good point, I guess you’re paying more at the point of supply if you have the AC up
Great and important point regarding the fact that DC charging isn't all that relevant for cars this size (and smaller) because as you said, 95% of your charging will be done at home/over night.
Now, when will you be able to get your hands on an EV9? That's a touring car I'm looking forward to!
EV9? Stay tuned ... 😎
Nice vedio. Looking forward to your test at home charging.
Coming soon 🙏
Here in Indonesia, most public fast chargers cost about 2600IDR/kwh, with 59 kwh, it costs probably around 14AUD$.
That’s a good price 👍
Nice to know
👍
Hi Tom - I am in Traralgon, Victoria and we have an Evee charger here if you're ever passing through :)
Cool, thanks!
you should be able to use a telsa super charger on your car I have seen BYDs and mGs use a super charger before.
V3 Tesla Supercharger is not currently compatible with the BYD Seal at the time of my comment
Hi Tom, you mentioned range test in this Video and how what is shown is different than whatbyou get in real world. I tried to look for that video but I could not find it on your channel. Is that video coming soon ?
I was commenting on the WLTP stated by BYD as 570km hence why it is overestimated as is the case with almost all EVs in my experience. I will do a proper highway range test in another video
@@LudicrousFeed thanks Tom. Much appreciated.
Hi. Can you make it at 120km/h? It
is a common speed in highways in a lot of countries
I'd say for a mid sedan, it'll be like running a hybrid doing about 5-6L per 100km but you can't refuel a hybrid at home unless it's a plugin
Yes very true
Spot on. A 30 min charge stop every 2 to 3 hours of driving
I get pretty bored after 2-3h of driving anyway. Need a break
@@LudicrousFeed Exactly! Plus it's safer and lady friends/kids want to stop too
Saludos al canal bajo mi punto de vista como usuario la función eco de byd debería introducir otra función eco plus que desconecte un motor para asi hacerlo más eficiente en casos que estemos muy justo de autonomía o porque no necesitemos la tracción integral por ciudad alargando mucho más la autonomia
You should do a video on LFP vs NMC and other lithium batteries, because the supposed big advantage of LFP is they can change to 100% daily (equivalent miles to 80% for NMC), but when you actually need range on a roadtrip, you're only charging to 80% (same range as ~65% for an NMC) so it actually quite worse.
Good suggestion. I guess the 100% limit is advantageous if you need to do that much range in a single session if you started at 100% at the start of the day and you really didn’t want to charge again
@@LudicrousFeed but it's roughly the same range as a NMC at 80%, and it's ok to go to 100% occasionally with NMC
Lucky my Seal Premium has the luxury of a big 82kWh LFP - best of both worlds! Rare to find such a big battery that's also LFP. I mean sure, you could get a car with 100kWh NMC/NCA which you could then leave at 80% / 80kWh most days but then you'd have to take into consideration the added cost and weight and therefore hit to efficiency
@@LudicrousFeed but due to the inefficiency of the seal compared to, say, a model 3 LR, the model 3 still has 10-20% more highway range.
@@geoffmathers3902 yes most likely, pound for pound or electron for electron. Still the cost needs to be factored in of course between the LR Model 3 and Seal Premium
Thanks for sharing, it was interesting to see charging of the seal on a 125kW charger.
I wonder what the maximum charging speed you would get if you used a charger with output more than that maximum the seal can take, for example 250kW charger, and also if it would overheat and therefore rapidgate.
I’ve had 140kW
@@christopherhunt9150 Thanks! Was that on a 150kW charger?
Electricity doesn't work like that. The phone charger you plug in the wall (less than 1 amp) is supplied by a 16A breaker. The 16A breaker doesn't overload that
One additional caveat: the charger will convey the max current an EV can draw during the charging process.
@@hargeaux Well, that really depends on how it’s setup. For example my MG4 can charger with higher speed than what spec says it should be able to.
Hey TT are the Wednesday night and Saturday morning podcasts up and running in 2024? I have not seen any reminders
Yes we’re back in 2024! Details will be released soon
To compare it with Tesla fast charging you should add the five minutes it takes you to get the charging started. Mine 90d still charges from 13-80 in 45min (albeit being less kw).
Yeah for sure. The Tesla plug and charge experience is second to none 🥇
Tom I just watched your charging session again. A question. If you had to park in the spot next to the one you charged in would the charging cable reach the port ok?
Yup most of the DC chargers have long enough cables for the old reach around. Except Tesla V2 and V3
Thank you. That's good news. As Tesla open their chargers to other brands do you know if are they providing longer cables so everyone can reach? @@LudicrousFeed
There’s no commercially available DC extension cable (for good reason) but the V4 housing has long enough cords to accomodate for all EVs
OK thanks Tom.@@LudicrousFeed
i'm lucky enough to have a local council that's been pushing EV adoption. 3 charging sites near our place. closest one been only 10mins walk with 4 stalls @ 22kw Free and a 50kw one in a carpark which costs $3 an hour to park Free to charge as well. 8 sites total and more been built. I believe with local council support and more charging sites available people who don't have access to home charging will see EVs as a genuine option.
Yes we need all levels of government and industry to get serious
Hello, can you measure the exact usable capacity of the Seal and Atto 3 Design model? I am very interested in whether the real capacity is as stated by the manufacturer. Can it be measured on BYD in the same way as on Tesla? via OBD.
Sure, check out my recent real world test drive: Premium BYD Seal Highway Range and Efficiency Sydney to Hunter Valley
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I’ll be doing more soon so stay tuned 🙏👍
@@LudicrousFeed I have already seen this video of yours and thanks for it. But this video does not determine what the actual capacity of the accumulator is.
Off topic, are there screen protectors available for both screens?
I am worried about scratching.
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I haven't found anywhere on my Seal to set the maximum charge level. Tesla, of course, allows you to set the maximum level via the car or app. I also like the ability to set the AC charge amperage in a Tesla. BYD have a fantastic example to follow in Tesla with future software updates, if they are willing.
That’s good to know that it’s not just me 😅
Just to clarify, you can set the amperage in a Tesla when you are AC charging but not for DC charging
@@LudicrousFeedYes, I did mention AC charging only. Hopefully BYD copy all the good things that Telsa do 👍
Those features are not important for an LFP vehicle.
If you have the time, you're always happy to charge an LFP to over 80%. The same is not true for a ternary battery, hence the importance of being able to *stop* charging.
If you only want to charge for 30 minutes, you can do that, no matter your battery level. If you want to charge to a specific percentage before driving off, you can just track your charging app. Perhaps allowing a push notification for X% charge would be a good addition to the app, but with an LFP battery vehicle there is no reason to set a hard limit.
Agreed, they really need to have this (actually basic) feature. And introduce a 1-pedal drive option
@@iantelinside why is it a basic feature? Why do you ever want to stop charging at a certain percent?
Tesla developed the tech because they started exclusively with ternary batteries where unnecessary charging to over 80% increases battery degradation. Why would that tech be necessary for a battery that doesn't suffer that increased degradation?
Not having an EV so hoping you can answer: Why not use the 150kw charge bay? When you connected the phone app shows 150kw, why not 125kw? Lastly, when you connected and started charging, did the max out put of the bay beside you drop to 75kw meaning a far slower charge for them (if connected) or is that the same issue for Tesla super chargers? Sorry for the questions but confused. Thanks
Good questions. Yes I could have plugged into the 125kW, hindsight is 20/20 🤓 but I truly wonder how much faster it would’ve been - I’ll have to do another test. Dunno why the app and the screen unit have different info: another mystery of EV ownership 🤷♂️
- Yes had another car come the charge, theirs and my max would’ve dropped to 75kW each. It’s the same for Tesla V2 superchargers and yes/no for Tesla V3: the answer is complicated
@@LudicrousFeed Its definitely a bit of a grab bag when sharing a charging station. I keep as much to quieter times where I know I'll get the maximum DC charge rate. Thanks for the Tesla experience. I at least know I'm not missing out having gone with a BYD.
Manually open the flap, peeling out those 2 stupid rubber caps, fiddling around with you phone....that alone would put me off and stay with Tesla: Press the little button on the handle and plug in, job done. And always works !!!
Good to see that not 1/2 chargers are wasted with a ChaDeMo plug. You cannot set a charge rate when DC charging, Tom. Although some (so called) premium EV have a reduced eco rate.
Frenches Forest ist North of the Latte line....you are not safe at night? Geez what would it be in the South ??
It is crazy that we have to operate high voltage equipment in the rain while every servo has a roof.
Evie is the most expensive Network and most sedans of this size would use more than 6l/100km. Fuel prices outside Sydney are higher too.
Yeah the Tesla experience is awesome for sure 👍 and I’m happy to have 4 CCS2 plugs at this location.
I realise you can’t set the DC charge rate and I’m yet to come across any EV that can. I wanted to set a maximum % charge limit
Great information. Can you use a Tesla charger to charge the BYD seal? Especially on the highways. Also, which charger do you use at home?
BYD are apparently trying to sort out the Supercharger issue … as it’s currently not compatible
This is what my home setup looks like: Home EV Charging Setup Update | Tesla BYD Wallbox Pulsar Max Feb 2024
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@@LudicrousFeed thanks for the reply. It's very helpful!
@@LudicrousFeed did you opt in Ceramic tint to windows? BYD charge $650 or something around that.
I didn't pay or ask for any additional options
Would you recommend 7kw or 22kw for charging? I'm planning to get Wallbox.
Hi Have a ICE sedan (Opel/Vauxhaull Insignia 2.0 diesel) and my average is 5.6 L/100km. 85% Highway (125 km/h in cruise control) and 15% city. 120/130km every day. That's why I've suggested in another video comment for a range test at least at 120km/h :)
Awesome 👍but I won’t be driving at 120kph for my tests in Australia
@@LudicrousFeed yes. Thats ok. No Police problems if you please😉
Just looking at apparent inefficiencies in the charging process. The test showed that 58.8kWh of energy was used to change 64% of the battery. However, 64% of the 82.5kWh battery is only 52.8kWh, so there appears to be 6kWh of wasted energy, or about $3.50 worth. Any idea what could be causing this? Have you noticed a similar thing with other charging tests you have done?
Edit: I just rewatched the video and noticed that you did mention about a 2kw power loss between the charger and what the car is reporting. But this is less than a 2% loss, not the 10% loss in the final result.
Hmm good pickup. I haven’t quantified previous charge sessions but it usually happens that there is a discrepancy between what the EVSE supplies vs what the car receives. Yes even Tesla 😁
You have losses in the flexible cable and internal cabling before the supplied load even gets to the battery (heat loss)
You then have conversion losses into the battery.
You also have 'wasted' energy supplying any HVAC.
And finally battery conditioning for heating the battery to begin and then cooling once the charging battery heats up too much.
Remember this is DC charging, you don't need to/want to do this all the time.
When you briefly panned to the other free chargers I thought one had 150Kw speed?
Yes hindsight is 20/20 or 6/6 😅
I wonder how much difference it would’ve made though
I agree, Australian Standards are probably why Speedos under-read. I I don't believe any significant hill was involved at time of comment also. But I'd never rely on GPS speed re: speed cameras. I value your channel keep it up.
Highway range is the only range that matters. EVs have plenty of range for city driving.
All range tests are equal but some are more equal than others
But jokes aside, I’ll do a highway range test at 100-110kph in a future vid
BYD state that is ok to charge the Seal to 100% consistently. I've not timed the charging rate beyond 80%, but haven't noticed a drop off... and I'm unsure if I trust that estimate. It'd be good to time and confirm that last 20%. The 80% courtesy rule still stands though.
I’ll have to do a sequel video 80% to 100% to verify 👍
@@LudicrousFeed there is a drop off after 90% at the charger we went to. But not sure if that was the charger or the Seal.
Just asking: Why you didn’t take another stall? There was 150kW available instead of 125kW. (02:24 time stamp)
I'm curious too @SealyTom
Hindsight is 20/20 isn’t it 🤓
I suspect it wouldn’t have made too much difference to the charge curve given I started at 16% and as you can see I verified their claim that it can top up from 30-80% in 26mins. Perhaps had I started from sub
I think that's just a slightly misleading label.
The stall is capable of 150kW (2 X 75kW) or a single charger at 125kW.
I could be wrong with that.
How much did the charge cost, and how does compare to ICE ?
Watch from 17:21
Can the BYD system be it software/hardware, can be programmed to charge up to a preferred percentage and stop automatically ?
e.g like setting it to stop at 80% ?
Sadly no at this stage. However one could estimate but setting a STOP charging time
@@LudicrousFeed
So this is an added quality Tesla car have.
I don't like Tesla's for many other reasons which we will not delve into right now.
So If I buy the Seal, I understand I need to install a controlled/programable charger at my house, that can charge that and that amount of KW , or programmed for time interval. very annoying but that is a negatives if you do not buy Tesla's. wished it was easier... Maybe should wait another year so the Chinese brands will improve their software a step farther... as the charge limiter is the most important aspect of the battery life preservation.
The BYD interface allows an in-built scheduled START and STOP charging time
@@LudicrousFeed Lets see I understand correctly: The BYD Car, can be programed, to charge at scheduled time, there for draw power from the home charging station, lets say for X hours I programed it for, lets say 4 hours for example, Lets say from 02:00 at night till 06:00 in the morning, and if the home charging station gives 7KW per hour, the car will get only 4 times 7 equals 28KW of charge Total. Have I got it right ?
Yes correct
The 16.5kwh/100km is only for your last 50km as it says on your driver display so your 446km is more realistic than the 500km you worked out.
Yup good point
how come you didnt use the other charger that said its output was 150kw??
Already answered this question when I first posted this video 😁
Hindsight is 20/20 👍
I've seen a 3rd party provider sell rubber seals for your charging point opening so that no water can get inside. Do you think that that could be usefull or is it just a gimmick.
Unnecessary imo. If the equipment is IP66 waterproof which presumably most public EV chargers would have to be, then it will be safe
Which power company are you with to pay 10 cents per kWh? The cheapest I pay from 10 pm to 6 am with a time of use meter is 20 cents 19:35
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Superchargers are really expensive. Charging between 10 and 3 at home when the inverter is humming works out at 5 Cents per kw. If you work from home or are retired or have solar at work go for it. You can keep 2 or even 3 EVs charged with a simple $9,000 6.5 kw solar array. That's 3 EVs doing 20,000 klms per annum each for 20 years. A saving of just over $200,000 when comparing the petrol burned in Subaru Forester or similar. Solar is 4 times more cost beneficial when used to replace gasoline instead of grid electricity.
Yes for sure home charging is the most economical and convenient way to top up an EV but some of us, myself included, like to occasionally go on a road trip and sadly I can’t easily bring my home setup with me 😭
@@LudicrousFeed Yes of course it's just the way holiday and business travel is. I just can't help myself pointing out the cost savings of solar energy especially in relation to the usual 10 year life of a car. I feel a $30k saving over 10 years solar powering a Model Y vs putting petrol in a Subaru Forester is such an important point to get across. I follow all of the EV RUclipsrs and they don't really hammer home just how much can be saved . Anyway Tom how did you get an off peak rate of 10 cents. My latest bill shows 33 cents peak and 25 cents off peak.
@@markumbers5362 I’m with Powershop - my referral details are in the video description (scroll to the bottom)
@@LudicrousFeed Thankyou 👌
So 450km with premium seal... how about model 3 highland range mixed driving urban + highway?
Probably somewhere between 375-400km
@LudicrousFeed having watched matt Watson latest review, I'm leaning towards m3 for driving dynamics. Is the lower range compensated for by the super charger network and faster at home ac charging?
Yes the Supercharger network is second to none 👍
but the long distance test? like 100% to 5% when are you going to do it? (I mean on the highway)....✌️✌️
Yup it’s coming!
You do know the app makes it easy as well as all you have to do is plug the car in then hop in the car to complete the charge details. I am guilty of doing what you did stay by the charger instead of getting in the car especially if pouring with rain. Us humans are a strange bunch, I see so many people point the keyfob at the car to lock/unlock while just pushing the button in any direction will do the same lock/unlock lol
Sure but makes for better footage to film outdoors right? Even in the rain 😁☔️
I received my BYD Seal 10 days ago but I'm having problems when I try to charge on fast chargers. Charging starts, then after 2 minutes the message "charging complete" appears and charging stops even though the car is absolutely not fully charged. Has anyone encountered this problem?
Is that with every charger?
I encountered the problem with 150 kW and 300 kW chargers (no matter the network). However, I was able to charge twice on that kind of chargers after a lot of trials… So maybe I’m doing something wrong when charging
Sometimes it’s a physical connection issue. Often times I’ve had to lift the actual plug to get the charge going
How much does the car “Leak” power when in garage with no charger plugged in? If 100% and unplug, and come back 24/48/72 hour later, how much charge do you loose?
Barely anything - I’ve not seen even 1% drop over a few nights when I’ve not driven. There’s probably the occasional BMS diagnostic keeping things safe but otherwise the car is turned off and there are no power hungry processes draining it
What's the point in the Seal saying the max charging speed of 150kw when it never even gets close. Most people testing only get around 120. I would be happy if it gets close to maybe 140kw and this slow charging speed will definitely be a negative when considering the BYD Seal - Might aswell wait for the Xiaomi SU7 much quicker charging speed and better range and faster. Thanks for your review though gives people a view of what charging speeds you actually get rather than trusting the manufacturer's quoted speeds.
That’s why I do the real world tests!
The Seal is a good day trip vehicle 🙏
I can honestly say I would seriously consider the BYD Seal if the charging speed actually gets close to the quoted max charging speed. If BYD can do something with the charging speed with OTA update then I would reconsider - you're reviews are really good to help people actually see what living with the vehicle would be like. It's a real shame really as the car really appeals. Think the audible lane departure and the speed limit prompts would drive me insane too. @@LudicrousFeed
It is a (crappy) 250A charger even if it is advertised as 125kW. It can charge cars at about 90-110kW (most cars at 90-100). That is way below the capability of the Seal.
It’ll depend on the load management of the charger also
I’ll have to redo the test at 350kW to see if it makes any difference
I assume it can achieve 125kW on the higher '800V' architecture vehicles?
@@LudicrousFeed please do, would be better for comparing the charging curve with other models
@@grandtourerpt Sure I could repeat to verify but I just read in this month’s NRMA open road (Jan/Feb 2024) that only 2% of EV chargers in Australia are 350kW so in reality you’d be unlikely to encounter anything faster than I demonstrated in this video
Is that 570 not on ECO mode? I see that you used Normal mode.
Sorry, I’m confused by your comment … I normally use Normal or Sport mode day to day. I use Eco if I go for a long drive
@@LudicrousFeed Yes, but the range what you said (570 km range from the website) is based on Eco mode, at 1:10
@@TheBeastNL Ok I see what you’re saying now. I don’t pay too much attention to the WLTP range, I only use it as a rough guide. Real world range and efficiency is more important and that can vary between drivers and conditions.
I did a recent range test: Eco Mode vs Normal Mode | BYD Seal Range Test for Highway Efficiency
ruclips.net/video/oZR3L378MCA/видео.html
Come April the first, basically an unfunny April fools joke, here in NZ road trips will be more expensive and a hybrid as we will be charged the same road user charges as a diesel or $76 per 1000km plus a $12 admin fee! With our public fast chargers priced between 69 cents to 85 cents per kwh. I luckily am fortunate to have an EV plan with my electricity retailer in that I pay my home rates at the ChargeNet chargers so as much as 34 cents per kwh between 7am and 9pm and as little as 15 cents per kwh 9pm till 7am. Bad luck for anyone else though!
Yes seems to be a worldwide phenomenon that public EV charging costs are increasing. Difficult for these providers to make money selling only electricity. Time for ground up EV stations to sell food, drinks etc to help subsidise costs?
@LudicrousFeed Just be thankful so far most of Australia do not charge EV that $76 per 1000km, I believe at least one state charges a more EV friendly price of $25 per 1000km but $76 plus that ridiculous $12 admin fee will for sure hurt long distance travel when an economical hybrid pays nothing, especially if no home charging is available. There was already a test done in your country where two BMW one EV and one petrol and the petrol car ended up costing less than the EV! And that's with no RUC. Sad day for EV come April here in NZ!
@@gregb1599 Victoria's EV road use tax was deemed unconstitutional and has been removed. We don't have an EV road use tax anywhere at the moment.
@hargeaux Well, enjoy well it lasts, I have had it free since 2016. I knew the time was coming, but I did expect a similar price to what Victoria had, which I believe was around that 25 cents per km. I can see many either not getting an EV or giving up using EV at least for intercity travel as it's still much slower and now more expensive than hybrid. I will still be much better off like most I can charge at home, and I hate travelling long distances in any type of car when domestic flying is so much easier.
19km/h average speed last 375 km? what are you doing?
That’s Sydney traffic for you lol
Chicago Tesla EV motorists stranded throughout the city unable to re charge EV top up due to cold winter conditions.! Not happy looking at new report.
Thankful we don't get those conditions where I am. Not surprising though with cold weather, I had a similar experience back in 2019 charging a Model X in the snow: ruclips.net/video/cNMkiMujrlc/видео.html
WHAT your not sealing the chargeport from the rain just in case it electrifies the car and you inside it? ;) #sarcasm# hehe. As we know WLTP isn't anywhere near accurate, Gav from Ecotricity NZ has a great meaning for what WLTP really means unfortunately I can't remember it right now but it's similar to NEDC(Not Even Damn Close), what we need is EPA as that is the closest testing regime to real world there is right now in the world but unless this car gets sold in the US/Canada we won't see that rating. Did you pre-condition your battery prior to arriving?
EPA is the most accurate
Can I precondition a BYD? Owners please advise
If you were picking up fuel in a full driveway service centre, you would be gone within 5 minutes. Just saying, populating EV chargers is a good thing, but why don’t some roadside providers start including chargers in their forecourts? A roof canopy and amenities. That happens in other places, so why not here? Wonder why?
Could the drop in the charge rate be due to rapidgating as the battery pack heats up? Good thing no one else was charging at that location either, as that may have slowed things up a bit as well.
Road trips will rely to a greater degree on DC fast chargers along the way. It is not viable any other way unless you can call in somewhere that has cheaper AC charger available. But that would be very slow at 11kW charge rate (max.), and most likely unworkable on a long range drive. So you are stuck with higher charge costs unfortunately. Public charging in Oz does not seem to be working out very well, does it?
We have a long way to go to lift the standards of public DC charging in Australia - I feel like a second class citizen every time I have to use an outdoor unsheltered charger.
Agree with more forecourt options like the one at Pheasants Nest in this video: 2023 MG4 Electric Vehicle Highway Range Test Sydney to Canberra Drive
ruclips.net/video/5wkkAg_lwqs/видео.html
The charge rate drops as the state of charge increases to protect the battery. All modern EVs do this
@@LudicrousFeed Agreed. No one should feel second class when it comes to this service provision. You pay a significant extra amount for the privilege of driving an EV, and you get this type of forecourt treatment. They probably can’t provide shelters over the chargers that you were at for building DA reasons. Not a fact, just my opinion. Security lights at night are fine, but it’s the tip of the iceberg where convenience and service are concerned. Will get better over time, I am sure.
The last point on modern EV charging is telling. Real charging rates would be more suitable for wood-be buyers to gauge instead of simple calculations on a maximal charge delivery, which never seems to happen. It’s all theory I know, and can’t be taken literally in every instance. So that makes your real world test more interesting (thank you for doing that). I have seen so many of these restrictions occur elsewhere that I did not expect any other result really, but at least you managed to get a reasonable rate for a while, even if it was only to an 80% charge. Fermi’s law.
@@GolLeeMeat least the price of the Seal and EV FBT exemption make the price far more similar to non EV vehicles now.
@@newbris Agreed. But hardly a level playing field is it. What’s more, you have the ignominy of waiting whilst your vehicle is charging. Not the best way of spending your time. Just listen to us, discussing this retrograde step as of it where an advantage. It’s simply one step forward and two steps back. Any drawback on ICE is retrograde IMO, and you can’t dress this up as a flesh wound that really didn’t hurt. At least I can’t. Cheers.
@@GolLeeMe it doesn’t need to be a level playing on tax. That’s the point. Personally we would spend almost the whole year not waiting at all because it will already be charged in the morning using cheap home electric rate. So no need to go to gas station like gas car or public charger except for occasional very long road trip. 98% of the year will be easier than gas car for us. Ymmv.
And this is exactly why EVs are inaccessible to the majority of the population. Anyone living in an apartment or renting just won't have at-home garage with a charger installed
I'll be honest and say that without home charging or ready access to off street charging, you've unfortunately lost the greatest practical benefit to EV ownership
10A charger is sufficient for charging most city/suburban vehicles over night.
Say a car drove around at 20kWh/100km (inefficient, in the video above Tom was driving at 16ish) if the car drove 100km per day (over double the average Australian) a 10A charger would take less than 9 hours to fill up.
Every EV with access to a 10A charger is still very suitable for a daily driver.
You only lose the ability to charge at home, this puts you the same as an ICE car. I know the refill takes a little longer, still a much cleaner and cost effective way of transportation
This is a big turn off. Hanging around somewhere very unappealing while you charge your vehicle. The way the EV fans justify this is ‘interesting’. Couldn’t think of anything worse. I really don’t enjoy even going to the servo to fill up. It’s a necessity, not a desired activity. I don’t eat fast food and I try to avoid servo coffee too.
Hey Tom, don’t eat KFC mate!
I actually agree. I for one will no longer be excusing EV chargers that don't have adequate amenities. We really need to do better if we are to be serious with the transition to electric. Don't worry, we only eat KFC if there's no other option! (or trying it to honour the Christmas tradition in Japan 😅)
Completely agree. I think you misunderstood Tom's point.
For mine, the importance of DC chargers is mainly for highways and big shopping mall type areas. Either, in a location where you need to charge as fast as possible (travelling/touring)or at a location where you were going to spend a fair amount of time anyway.
I guess for most people EVs mean they avoid servo’s and public charging when most of their year’s charging is done at home.
So tests show its cheaper to run a petrol car when it comes to electricity v petrol cost, im no longer in the market for a EV but i still like to watch the channel 😊
depends on the car and what fast chargers you use, but it can be around the same when you use fast chargers. home charging is a lot cheaper though.
Even cheaper if you can charge at work or top up for free.
Its cheaper to run EV, if you charge at home :)
I charge at home Peter from 100 percent renewable energy from my home solar, so there are zero costs to change my Ev, can't get any cheaper than that.
All of the above, but of course remember what it’s all really about… reducing the CO2! :-)