Thanks for putting out these videos. I haven't been able to play lately, so it's how I'm keeping in touch with my spriest. Cant wait to get back into game and tinker with things based on your findings to see what works best for me now that vw is more in line with archon!
During the rotation guide.. are you able to give visuals? for someone new like me hearing "all your cooldowns" or DOTS doesnt give me an idea of which exact spells you're talking about. Thanks
after playing sp the last three expansions I find it actually exhausting in high keys, although its nice seeing those big numbers popping up having to time cd rotation and keep dots up can be quite stressful and boring. but real good guide gj
I recently started playing wow and i am really enjoying it ! I chose Shadow Priest as my class and your guides have been helping me a lot, thank you ! I also recently learned about addons and downloaded your presets for weak auras / plaer from wago. I have a question - which addon / preset do you use that shows the target next to your abilities (in the middle of your screen) ? Also, what is the addon used left of that, that shows your silence spell ? Thank you in advance !
Quick question: I like that your Surge of Insanity procs in the default UI have a gap between them (specifically, between proc indicator 1 and 3, and 2 and 4). How did you do that? My procs 1 | 3 and 2 | 4 are stacked on top of one another.
Hi Publik, thank you for this video. I'm sometimes overwhelmed by spell priority in AoE; what is our biggest source of damage in AoE once our dots are applied ? Torrent, halo, insanity mind flay... which spell should I press first to burst the pack? ? Thanks !
Check this page out and head to the AoE rotation section, let me know if you still have questions www.icy-veins.com/wow/shadow-priest-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities?area=area_3
Hi Publik, thanks for the great video! Only one question: @16:54 you have 3 Surge of Insanity procs show on the screen. How do you make it shows more than two? Mine only show maximum 2 even if I have 4 SOI procs saved. :(
Hey Publik! Is there a link or a video somewhere on how to use Spymaster's effectively in raid and m+? Just got mine and Im wondering if I should just not use it at all until my second set of CDs or just use it halfway through voidform 1 for archon.
Thank you so much for the video! I noticed that you manually apply vampiric touch on each add instead of shadow crash. Why's that? Also in the shadow priest guide on icy veins you said use sw death then pain when we need to move/don't have anything else up. Why's there an order? I'm new to this class and I'm still learning some basics, currently I can't sync my burst very well unless I just wait for all of them to reset :/ I also feel like for a lot of time I don't have anything up but mind flay. Does that sound right at all? Thank you again!! Your content is really helpful.
You manually dot as the pack is gathered to augment shadow crash only dotting 8 targets. SWD is more damage/insanity than SWP is but it’s marginal. If you are spending alot of time casting normal mind flay you are liking spending your devouring plague too quickly. Outside of cooldowns only cast it if it’s not active, about to expire, or you are capping on insanity.
@@Publikwow Thank you very much! Why do you wait for DP to expire to reapply it if the dmg is done instanly when you reapply? Is there a reason behind that? :D
Hello, your guides are amazing helper thanks for everything, i have a question for Mythic+ and Raid content of all, i''ve Gale of Shadows 639 and got Unbound Changeling 639 today, also got from finally raid 626 Spymaster Web, what should i use for every content? UC and GoS sims better on 8 target but single shows Spy better in everyway, thanks again
I would stick with Spymasters ALWAYS and then between gale or changeling it really doesnt matter to be honest. Woudl probably keep my changeling as Mastery and use it for raid and gale for AoE/Mythic+.
I've recently gotten rid of Leap of Faith and Mindcontrol and put those talent points into the cwntral column and Ive been loving it so far. I am wondering how much utility you realistically get out of those two spells?
Really cool that you found uses for other talents here i think thats awesome! For the most part this feels like total preference but being able to get my friends out of sticky spots with Leap of Faith (i.e. they are about to get hit by a mechanic but i can yoink them to safety) and using Dominate Mind as a pseudo "stop" for single target are useful enough to where i keep these talented.
Quick question, I have been using my mind blasts before using void eruption as it gives you the casts back, is this not something I need to do/should be doing? I did start off playing voidweaver where maybe this makes more sense but I notice that this doesn't look to be suggested/done on videos and guides I have seen. Great video.
I generally don't let mind blasts cap at 2. Same for mind flay insanity. Once it gets to 4, use at least one. Just like you don't want to cap on insanity. Anytime any of them are capped, you're losing on damage. I usually use whatever is up, and hit the procs before the proc expires. Alot of times I'll try and save the procs/void eruption for when I have to move and cast be casting.
It depends on how fast the pack lives. Like Publik said he sometimes skips straight to void eruption cause he knows the pack won't live the full duration, in that case you don't double mind blast first
Good question! In Mythic+ environments this is considered optional depending on how long the pack lives. If you know the pack will live a while sneaking those in is great, otherwise skipping it if you know it wont live that long is a good thing.
Hey Publik, any tips on how to not have terrible dps outside of of CDs? I blast when I have my cool downs, but without them I’m hitting like a wet noodle. Decent haste + mastery (could be better) 620 ilvl 2400+ io
Hey Publik, I tested, Inside the Yogg M+ High Key Build, one point in Mindful Devourer against one point in Maddening Touch also without Silence, 2 points each. And for me, Maddening Touch, felt more consistent. Sometime I get DP proccs when I dont want them or none when I want them. Madding Touch felt a bit better on getting consistent Ressouces. It sims less ofc, but I am a fan of as little proccs as possible. What is your reason behind picking Mindful Devourer over it, just a numerical thing or am I missing something here? Greetings Fellow SP San :)
Mostly numerical yes but keep in mind Maddening Touch is also a proc. Maddening Touch proc rate also goes down as you add targets to prevent it from scaling out of control. Generally speaking the difference between the two should be considered preference, with Mind Devourer generally being better for Single Target. That simple preference towards single target makes it better for most people in my opinion.
@@Publikwow Fair point, I guess I dont like the reactive proc bloat some times. Maybe I consider it in Grps with not so good Prio DMG. Thanks for your view.
is there any race pref over any other DPS wise? If you do alot of pugging is voidweaver better? My m+ is almost never doing bigg pulls max 2 groups at the time.
Would certainly suggest Mastery for Raid and for Mythic+ you can kind of do either depending on which one you are a bit lower on. But yes thats the general guidance
Hey how do you sim your priest for mythic+? Which fighting style do you choose? Dungeonslice? Everytime I sim void weaver is way better. I might be doing something wrong
For my own personal sims I just do Patchwerk, Light Movement, and DungeonSlice depending on how significant what im testing is. For theorycrafting work I use a full suite of DungeonRoute sims to get more data for smaller things like talent changes. More info here: warcraftpriests.github.io/bookofshadows/guides/dungeonsims/
Question for archon shadow. Is it possible to drop void torrent? Or is that too much damage loss? Void torrent feels like garbage to press (in archon) and I have a hard time fitting it into my usual rotation.
I have like pretty decent gear a lot of bis track and I'm 619 ilvl ive done some 10s but I can't replicate the dps I see here and others doing and I have zero idea what I'm doing wrong the rotation is correct and talents. Very confused
Any shadow priesters in chat who pug, how long do you have to queue to get into a key? I'm talking around 10's. Playing my bear tank atm but i miss my shadow priest so much but afraid of queue simulator.
Its not the right time to play SP yet. Keep playing tanking. We still need some buffs. Im doing +11's and it still takes time to get from 10's when Im alone. People still dont believe sp's dmg.
Shadow lacks the mob control of other classes and needs to bring more damage, the 5% they nerfed psychic link is so unfortunate, we may have been able to make it into C tier instead of D tier if they didn’t change that!
Spec feels horrible outside of CD's, even with a relatively decent haste/mastery budget - it's pretty damn squishy too. Spriest really, really needs some love.
This class needs a buff bad. No burst, if you roll aoe your single target is ass. Low keys you do no damage. Regret ever rolling this class. I have 2300 IO.
we sre lucky to have someone like you in the shadow com. ❤
Thanks for putting out these videos. I haven't been able to play lately, so it's how I'm keeping in touch with my spriest.
Cant wait to get back into game and tinker with things based on your findings to see what works best for me now that vw is more in line with archon!
i can NOT wait for the Voidpriest Guide vid, keep it up publik!
Out now for members, will be fully released on Thursday!
During the rotation guide.. are you able to give visuals? for someone new like me hearing "all your cooldowns" or DOTS doesnt give me an idea of which exact spells you're talking about. Thanks
Used an old boost token on my new priest, going to start playing Archon today. First caster class for me 😅
Always great vid thanks publik, just a quick tip for the pack you showed on arakara, i sw death the mob which is low hp at start to proc ToF
Good tip :)
after playing sp the last three expansions I find it actually exhausting in high keys, although its nice seeing those big numbers popping up having to time cd rotation and keep dots up can be quite stressful and boring. but real good guide gj
I recently started playing wow and i am really enjoying it ! I chose Shadow Priest as my class and your guides have been helping me a lot, thank you !
I also recently learned about addons and downloaded your presets for weak auras / plaer from wago. I have a question - which addon / preset do you use that shows the target next to your abilities (in the middle of your screen) ? Also, what is the addon used left of that, that shows your silence spell ? Thank you in advance !
Quick question: I like that your Surge of Insanity procs in the default UI have a gap between them (specifically, between proc indicator 1 and 3, and 2 and 4). How did you do that? My procs 1 | 3 and 2 | 4 are stacked on top of one another.
I use a weak aura for stacks 3 and 4! wago.io/DNGkeaLy5
yeah this looks nice, i would like to know too
Hi Publik, thank you for this video. I'm sometimes overwhelmed by spell priority in AoE; what is our biggest source of damage in AoE once our dots are applied ? Torrent, halo, insanity mind flay... which spell should I press first to burst the pack? ? Thanks !
Check this page out and head to the AoE rotation section, let me know if you still have questions www.icy-veins.com/wow/shadow-priest-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities?area=area_3
Hi Publik, thanks for the great video! Only one question: @16:54 you have 3 Surge of Insanity procs show on the screen. How do you make it shows more than two? Mine only show maximum 2 even if I have 4 SOI procs saved. :(
This is a weak aura i made you can grab here: wago.io/DNGkeaLy5
@@PublikwowThank you so much!
Great guide! Is there a Voidweaver guide coming? I mainly pug and Archon feels clunky with those types of pulls.
Posted for members now and will be fully released tomorrow!
Love your videos, thanks for making them!
Glad you like them!
Hey Publik! Is there a link or a video somewhere on how to use Spymaster's effectively in raid and m+? Just got mine and Im wondering if I should just not use it at all until my second set of CDs or just use it halfway through voidform 1 for archon.
Is that a WA that showing your 3rd and 4th charge of Mf:insanity?
Sure is :) wago.io/DNGkeaLy5
Thank you so much for the video! I noticed that you manually apply vampiric touch on each add instead of shadow crash. Why's that? Also in the shadow priest guide on icy veins you said use sw death then pain when we need to move/don't have anything else up. Why's there an order? I'm new to this class and I'm still learning some basics, currently I can't sync my burst very well unless I just wait for all of them to reset :/ I also feel like for a lot of time I don't have anything up but mind flay. Does that sound right at all? Thank you again!! Your content is really helpful.
You manually dot as the pack is gathered to augment shadow crash only dotting 8 targets.
SWD is more damage/insanity than SWP is but it’s marginal.
If you are spending alot of time casting normal mind flay you are liking spending your devouring plague too quickly. Outside of cooldowns only cast it if it’s not active, about to expire, or you are capping on insanity.
@@Publikwow Thank you very much! Why do you wait for DP to expire to reapply it if the dmg is done instanly when you reapply? Is there a reason behind that? :D
To keep as much possible uptime on our mastery increase and insidious ire
@@Publikwow Thank you very much!!
Thank you for another great video.
Thanks for watching!
Hello, your guides are amazing helper thanks for everything, i have a question for Mythic+ and Raid content of all, i''ve Gale of Shadows 639 and got Unbound Changeling 639 today, also got from finally raid 626 Spymaster Web, what should i use for every content? UC and GoS sims better on 8 target but single shows Spy better in everyway, thanks again
I would stick with Spymasters ALWAYS and then between gale or changeling it really doesnt matter to be honest. Woudl probably keep my changeling as Mastery and use it for raid and gale for AoE/Mythic+.
How u out the camera that many?
I've recently gotten rid of Leap of Faith and Mindcontrol and put those talent points into the cwntral column and Ive been loving it so far. I am wondering how much utility you realistically get out of those two spells?
The "Fear in Place" in the first line specifically is - to my team - so much more useful than having Leap of Faith available
Really cool that you found uses for other talents here i think thats awesome! For the most part this feels like total preference but being able to get my friends out of sticky spots with Leap of Faith (i.e. they are about to get hit by a mechanic but i can yoink them to safety) and using Dominate Mind as a pseudo "stop" for single target are useful enough to where i keep these talented.
Quick question, I have been using my mind blasts before using void eruption as it gives you the casts back, is this not something I need to do/should be doing? I did start off playing voidweaver where maybe this makes more sense but I notice that this doesn't look to be suggested/done on videos and guides I have seen.
Great video.
I generally don't let mind blasts cap at 2. Same for mind flay insanity. Once it gets to 4, use at least one. Just like you don't want to cap on insanity. Anytime any of them are capped, you're losing on damage. I usually use whatever is up, and hit the procs before the proc expires. Alot of times I'll try and save the procs/void eruption for when I have to move and cast be casting.
It depends on how fast the pack lives. Like Publik said he sometimes skips straight to void eruption cause he knows the pack won't live the full duration, in that case you don't double mind blast first
Good question! In Mythic+ environments this is considered optional depending on how long the pack lives. If you know the pack will live a while sneaking those in is great, otherwise skipping it if you know it wont live that long is a good thing.
what build did you use in the Ara Kara and stonevault examples you gave?
Both keys were done with the Hybrid build
Hey Publik, any tips on how to not have terrible dps outside of of CDs? I blast when I have my cool downs, but without them I’m hitting like a wet noodle. Decent haste + mastery (could be better) 620 ilvl 2400+ io
Hey Publik,
I tested, Inside the Yogg M+ High Key Build, one point in Mindful Devourer against one point in Maddening Touch also without Silence, 2 points each.
And for me, Maddening Touch, felt more consistent. Sometime I get DP proccs when I dont want them or none when I want them.
Madding Touch felt a bit better on getting consistent Ressouces. It sims less ofc, but I am a fan of as little proccs as possible.
What is your reason behind picking Mindful Devourer over it, just a numerical thing or am I missing something here?
Greetings Fellow SP San :)
Mostly numerical yes but keep in mind Maddening Touch is also a proc. Maddening Touch proc rate also goes down as you add targets to prevent it from scaling out of control. Generally speaking the difference between the two should be considered preference, with Mind Devourer generally being better for Single Target. That simple preference towards single target makes it better for most people in my opinion.
@@Publikwow Fair point, I guess I dont like the reactive proc bloat some times. Maybe I consider it in Grps with not so good Prio DMG. Thanks for your view.
I love you, Publik, but please have someone go over your UI :D There's so much potential there!
Interesting m+ build, but why all top shadow priests in warcraft logs run a different build for m+? Do you think yours is overall better?
when I sim them, on dungeon slice, the builds are mostly equal, however when I sim patchwerk 5 min 5 bosses, the other build is ~250k dps higher
Which one specifically? In the video I showed 3 builds. Most top end keys will run triple idol for more AoE
@@Publikwow sorry, I completely missed the second build in the video... that's the one that's super dominant on high keys. makes sense, thanks!
Yeah the Hybrid build is aimed at giving you more boss damage until you need the bigger aoe for push keys at which point you go Triple Idol.
is there any race pref over any other DPS wise? If you do alot of pugging is voidweaver better? My m+ is almost never doing bigg pulls max 2 groups at the time.
For utility I would suggest Dwarf or Night Elf, otherwise play whatever you'd like :)
IMO for pugging Voidweaver is better, but either can do well.
@@Publikwowhow do you think dracthyr will do? With glide and the extra mastery.
Great vid! please make one for void weaver
Out today :)
What addon do you use for enemies health bars?
That is Plater
@@Publikwow thanks 👌
With changeling, would you recommend haste or mastery? Or is it as simple as mastery for raid, haste for mplus?
Would certainly suggest Mastery for Raid and for Mythic+ you can kind of do either depending on which one you are a bit lower on. But yes thats the general guidance
Hey how do you sim your priest for mythic+? Which fighting style do you choose? Dungeonslice? Everytime I sim void weaver is way better. I might be doing something wrong
Patchwork: 8 bosses, 1 min
@@DisappointedBuddha oh, really? I've being doing it wrong then
For my own personal sims I just do Patchwerk, Light Movement, and DungeonSlice depending on how significant what im testing is.
For theorycrafting work I use a full suite of DungeonRoute sims to get more data for smaller things like talent changes. More info here: warcraftpriests.github.io/bookofshadows/guides/dungeonsims/
How do you swap to the next target to Vampiric Touch without clicking on the mobs?
Tab
Or mouseover macros on your VT. Tab isn't always reliable and could cause you to target and pull something you don't want to.
Question for archon shadow. Is it possible to drop void torrent? Or is that too much damage loss? Void torrent feels like garbage to press (in archon) and I have a hard time fitting it into my usual rotation.
Short answer is no, it does a lot of damage for us, particularly in single target and even in AoE with Psychic Link.
Let’s petition for a connection node from phantasm to vamp to make the class tree symmetrical 😆
I love shadow priest But I feel like I can't play it to save my life constantly being carried in groups.
same strory for all of us i quess ! :D
I have like pretty decent gear a lot of bis track and I'm 619 ilvl ive done some 10s but I can't replicate the dps I see here and others doing and I have zero idea what I'm doing wrong the rotation is correct and talents. Very confused
size of pulls i guess
same to me, i cant do a dung with 1mil...overall...when evetyhihg is on CD i just do mind fly and mindblast which seems horrible :D
Any shadow priesters in chat who pug, how long do you have to queue to get into a key? I'm talking around 10's.
Playing my bear tank atm but i miss my shadow priest so much but afraid of queue simulator.
Its not the right time to play SP yet. Keep playing tanking. We still need some buffs. Im doing +11's and it still takes time to get from 10's when Im alone. People still dont believe sp's dmg.
@@demiregz Thanks for the reply! Maybe in season 2 then
So as a SP i only do damage every 2min ?
Big damage every 2 minutes, smaller peak damage every minute as Archon
Shadow lacks the mob control of other classes and needs to bring more damage, the 5% they nerfed psychic link is so unfortunate, we may have been able to make it into C tier instead of D tier if they didn’t change that!
thanks
Perfect ive just level a priest to 80
That "buff" we just got 😅 seemed to be only on paper. I felt zero difference.
For the most part Archon did not get buffed. 1-3% maybe but that is not something you will feel
Spec feels horrible outside of CD's, even with a relatively decent haste/mastery budget - it's pretty damn squishy too. Spriest really, really needs some love.
thats right!!!!
This class needs a buff bad. No burst, if you roll aoe your single target is ass. Low keys you do no damage. Regret ever rolling this class. I have 2300 IO.
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I have avoided Halo since its creation and now I'm forced to take it :(
Play Voidweaver!
But Can VW keep Up reasonably with archon in 12+? dont wanna Brick my friends Keys just bcs my personal preference
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Publik. You are man!!! - milcah_us_illidan