It reminds me of when you hire someone to fix anything. They change one part that costs $5. You go: "What that costs $5 and I'm paying you $100 for the hour?". You're not paying for the part, you're paying for the person's expertise that they honed in after learning the machine inside and out.
@@rosegold-beats music engineering is not the same as producing the beat lol. Someone has to produce the beat and then the engineer comes in and puts all the vocals and everything else together
Big props to Timbaland for not only being a master of his craft and having a solution on the spot but also not being stingy with the game and putting Ye on to it. And big ups to Kanye for not being to proud to ask for help and putting the art above ego, a lot of artist wouldn’t have put their pride aside to ask for help from a industry colleague/ competitor. This is the beauty of true collaboration when we work together as community helping eachother the end product is greatness
At the end of the day, it’s about two men that has mastered their craft creating timeless music that would still be played for years to come. It’s truly beautiful to see. Ye knew the only person that can maximize the song’s potential is Timb and Timb wouldn’t let such an amazing song go without it reaching its best outcome. Two amazing legends in the game.
Proverbs 8:17 King James Version 17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Jesus loves you and calls all of us to repent!!! ! !!!!! !
69thnstony because through collaboration, he gets where he wants to be, but he claims it’s just him and his genius, even though he has a team of people helping every aspect, every step of the way
Kanye has always been open to working with other people throughout career and he hasn't been shy about telling everybody who he has worked wih. Kanye could thank half of the success in his career for everybody he has worked with honestly. It's what he is saying that rubs people the wrong way and also his personality especially more recently. He was always confident and brash even earlier but now he just comes off as a dickhead and really hard to be around.
I think it's the part where he says he's the "fucking end-all, and be all of music" and claims to be a god that make people think he might be a bit arrogant.
Exactly Why didn’t Kanye or any of the engineers suggest and 808 ?! Crazy I always suggest an 808 (to myself) to layer over a kick to make it knock Crazy to think Kanye wouldn’t have arrived at that himself at this stage of his career
Im surprised kanye couldn't figure this out by himself or with his team. Simple problem. If your kick & 808 aint hitting or clashing simply invert the phase on one of them,eq, compress, or parallel compress,tune,pitch. Its not that hard. Or create a custom kick with the 808 together just for the song. Put a kick that pops with fast attack and place the 808 under it with the length you need for the bass and compress it a lil bit for it to gel together. Throw a lil eq and dirt or lo fi to it for a lil seasoning and bam you got your kick & 808 in one sample.
@@allthingsaudio4610 Because Kanye was thinking waaayyy outside the box at this moment in his career. Sometimes artist forget to go back to the basics. So an OG like Timbaland had to put his input in and went to back to the basics and BOOM!
I feel like Timbaland is still a bit underrated. In my opinion one of the best producers at just feeling the vibe and not overthinking, which is one of the most important parts of producing. Legend!
Until you realize how hard it is to do... Most people think sampling is easy and thats why its frowned upon, and when some producers do it it is easy, but the way kanye and Timb do it, its more difficult than you think. Making it an art in its own. I actually think its easier to make a beat from scratch then to successfully sample a track the way Ye does.
@@sickboi335 Part of sampling is trying to catch the emotion of the reaction to the sample too. I dont care how good your self made samples are, it will never have that "Hey, I know that.... oh DAMN!" feeling the first time you hear it. You instantly connect with it, and then it goes somewhere its never been before, so it makes that head bob snap just a bit harder. H.O.V.A. and Stronger are perfect examples of this.... both happen to have come from Kanye.
@@thakaptin2043 i get your point bro but sometimes it is harder to clear those samples from getting out of copyright claim most of the industry producers are in a financial position where they can afford to clear them up so that there wont be a problem using them so i try to make my own so I don't have to deal with anybody running after my beat. but i agree with you that feeling can't be replicated what the old samples gave.
Proverbs 8:17 King James Version 17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Jesus loves you and calls all of us to repent!!! ! !!!!! !
Proverbs 8:17 King James Version 17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Jesus loves you and calls all of us to repent!!! ! !!!!! !
The problem is his original kick had "tonality" in it - So when using it with the 808, which is very tonal - it clashes. So then u run into all kinds of problems wen the two parts r not right to start with. Thats why the very first step is CRUCIAL which is to make sure you KICK and 808 are TUNED together and ALREADY separated. Then its becomes sooo much easier to mix them and they jus harmonosly blend beautiful complimenting each other. The kick punches thru and it knocks on ur chest and the bass 808 wobbles you on ur abdominals and lower gut level. Together they form wht u wod call a HAPTIC experience of a really good low end of a song
It isn’t totally, you still need talent and extreme hard work from the performers side of things, buuuuut you’re absolutely right the mix and master is INSANELY important.
Mixed 11 times omg that’s work and Kanye was like it still ain’t right.. nowadays people ain’t putting that much work into songs now.. u can’t rush perfection every body too much in a hurry to get things done u gotta take your time and do things right
I know what ye's talking about. he wants the thump of the kick to cut through while still having the 808 present and not clashing. sidechain compression maaaaaaaan
And these are the length's today's producers should be going to, to get the record right. I myself, as a producer - keep things like in my mental rolodex at all times. It's not about the quick turn-up record, it's about never giving up until the record is right. Doing whatever it takes! Salute to these two LEGENDS.
0:53 "Another level" "Another level of crazy?" - I assume this means that even Kanye's mixing engineers are shook at how many revisions he's making on his song. I think Kanye's dedication to perfecting his products is really admirable and what made him into a truly great artist regardless of the bullshit he sometimes spouts. I wanna bring that same energy to my business, and hopefully it turns out well lol. Just getting started now.
@@El_Diablo_12the actual main takeaway from this video is to go back to basics, not to infinitely refine. Kanye would’ve kept going forever if timbaland didn’t show him that simplifying was the best option. Words to live by whatever you do, art or business or anything..
People ain’t even know these some of the first dudes to make a kick and an 808 work together at the same time in records and make it a popular thing… this mad
Jacob Serrano I really don’t believe him when he said that. As much as I am a massive Kanye fan, the man really can’t freestyle. All of his freestyles ever since 2009 were already written but unrealesed lyrics
Somebody out here has to explain to me how this dude Kanye is supposed to be a megalomaniac yet he has enough humility to want his product perfect, even after it's released. Plus, the humility to admit his skills and ability weren't enough (yet) so he brought on a more experienced producer to help him. I just got sooo much more respect for this dude now.
The last part of the vid made me feel like I’m in a dream/ game watching the concert out of my mind. For real though this song is one of the best ever done.
Just so everyone knows, Tim didn't do anything crazy here, he just found the right kick to go with the 808. Before that, Kanye was trying to fix the problem by adjusting the kick he already had, and often times there's no amount of processing you can do if the sound just isn't right. So Tim went through his sounds and found a kick that would work with the 808, and that was it. I bet Kanye just got caught up in the song and thought the mix was the problem. It happens to a lot of producers.
@@ChescoYT danja did melodies..timbos cataloge goes back to 96...there is no better drum/percussion programmer in urban music...he never used the same drum pattern and his sense for rhythm is unique. 1.5TB of beats on my hard drive aint lying
After years of seeing this video I realized that it was mixed 10 times because in the end what the real problem was the production of the track and sound selection.
nowadays the process of making music is so short because of technology its kinda sad. Seeing these mf's spending like 4h on getting the kicks to knock makes me kinda happy and appreciate the music more lol. But if the product at the end is good it doesn't matter how you made it...or does it ?
Way too many people focus on making beats as fast as possible. Producers like Kanye and Timbaland (probably, I'm not familiar with how he works) remind me to take my time to get a result I'm in love with.
yeah i understand that but just because it takes longer doesn’t necessarily make it better like you could take 20 mins and just sidechain, mirror eq and put on some saturation and be good. yes it’s good to not rush the process but having the knowledge we have now is amazing man so why shouldn’t we utilize it to expedite the process?
Yeah, I'd be like: "Why are you touching this beat anymore?" it's perfect, and we all know and knew how perfectionist Ye is. Like MJ, Timmy, and Quincy Jones, he can listen what other people can't listen too.
+Ave Mcree (CeeMurda DaBasedgod) Came a long way lol, and thats cool to see you posting here Ive watched some of you're videos man keep up the good work
Crazy how mainstream hip/hop rap has went from a complete masterpiece like this with hundreds of hours of work to a hour of work with a beat made in ten minutes. Maybe the good old days will come back again.
Because the technology behind it has gotten so much better. There's no need to have huge mastering decks and consoles, a laptop has enough to do it all. You can zip large files and send them over the internet. No need to fly to LA to get a mix done. No need to buy 10 different keyboards with specific presets, you can download a handful of VSTs and get any sound you want.
Just because the tech got better doesn’t mean it should be quicker. I think what OP met to say, is that artist aren’t going after the best possible sounds and options to amplify the record. It’s more simplistic and dare say, lazy. Even with better tech, artist today know they can get away with a lazier beat and lyrics, just the clout matters now.
imo there are still mainstream artists that take their time to perfect their craft or songs. you just gotta look in the right places. art that takes time to perfect doesn't dwindles as time go on, it just so happens that music that takes "less effort" gets more attention.
I remember the original Daft Punk dance version back in the 90's, I heard it in Paris and London. Great sample they used. It's what makes the songs a hit.
Kanye is a very great producer and an artist, a real artist knows every kick, snare, syth, violin, guitar string that is in the song, todays artist just sing or rap to whatever is offer to them..Yes he has ego but damn he works his ass off in the studio..
"He fixed it in 5 minutes and spent the rest of the hour talking about how no one could've done it but him" 😂😂
It all makes sense now!
Yep dude has always been a narcissist
It reminds me of when you hire someone to fix anything. They change one part that costs $5. You go: "What that costs $5 and I'm paying you $100 for the hour?". You're not paying for the part, you're paying for the person's expertise that they honed in after learning the machine inside and out.
@@Leon-zu1wp that's true! 🔥
@@djbrotherelectricStill got the job done
This shows just how good Timbo really is, he's an insanely good engineer while also being a legendary producer
Who said he’s an engineer? Lol
@@rapnerd1392 music engineer
Thats producing not engineering
@@rosegold-beats he engineers too
@@rosegold-beats music engineering is not the same as producing the beat lol. Someone has to produce the beat and then the engineer comes in and puts all the vocals and everything else together
"i have every drum machine ever made" that nigga is NOT lyin lol
What's your favorite mines is the CLASSIC MP
he meant the presets when he said it but he prolly has all of them fr now
Timbo always said if Kanye would let him produce an entire album of his, it’d be one of the greatest projects of all time.
Damn where was this
Hit factory Miami.
He's right
If Yandhi dropped this would have been proven right, the quality jump of all the leaks from after Timbaland hopped on the project is huge
I'd love to see them do a song with Justin Timberlake
Big props to Timbaland for not only being a master of his craft and having a solution on the spot but also not being stingy with the game and putting Ye on to it. And big ups to Kanye for not being to proud to ask for help and putting the art above ego, a lot of artist wouldn’t have put their pride aside to ask for help from a industry colleague/ competitor. This is the beauty of true collaboration when we work together as community helping eachother the end product is greatness
Shut your ol corny ass up duke 😂😂😂
beautifully put
Genuises all around.
At the end of the day, it’s about two men that has mastered their craft creating timeless music that would still be played for years to come. It’s truly beautiful to see. Ye knew the only person that can maximize the song’s potential is Timb and Timb wouldn’t let such an amazing song go without it reaching its best outcome. Two amazing legends in the game.
Proverbs 8:17
King James Version
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Jesus loves you and calls all of us to repent!!! ! !!!!! !
It always amazes how people call him “arrogant” when he’s always shown learning and collaborating.
69thnstony because through collaboration, he gets where he wants to be, but he claims it’s just him and his genius, even though he has a team of people helping every aspect, every step of the way
Kanye has always been open to working with other people throughout career and he hasn't been shy about telling everybody who he has worked wih. Kanye could thank half of the success in his career for everybody he has worked with honestly.
It's what he is saying that rubs people the wrong way and also his personality especially more recently. He was always confident and brash even earlier but now he just comes off as a dickhead and really hard to be around.
casillasscorer he never claimed it's just him
I think it's the part where he says he's the "fucking end-all, and be all of music" and claims to be a god that make people think he might be a bit arrogant.
@@bc6798 15 or so
It took Tim about 3 sec to figure out the whooole problem lol. He's the best!
Exactly
Why didn’t Kanye or any of the engineers suggest and 808 ?!
Crazy
I always suggest an 808 (to myself) to layer over a kick to make it knock
Crazy to think Kanye wouldn’t have arrived at that himself at this stage of his career
Im surprised kanye couldn't figure this out by himself or with his team. Simple problem. If your kick & 808 aint hitting or clashing simply invert the phase on one of them,eq, compress, or parallel compress,tune,pitch. Its not that hard. Or create a custom kick with the 808 together just for the song. Put a kick that pops with fast attack and place the 808 under it with the length you need for the bass and compress it a lil bit for it to gel together. Throw a lil eq and dirt or lo fi to it for a lil seasoning and bam you got your kick & 808 in one sample.
@@allthingsaudio4610 Because Kanye was thinking waaayyy outside the box at this moment in his career. Sometimes artist forget to go back to the basics. So an OG like Timbaland had to put his input in and went to back to the basics and BOOM!
@@allthingsaudio4610 Or just sidechain that thang. But yes still surprised he ain't think of this with his "musical genius" Pretty simple solution.
@@nehemiah347 nah he was definetly thinking innovatively graduation changed how music sounded after 2007 soul sounds werent too present
I could watch Kanye and Timbaland in the studio all day. Fascinating to see these legends work together.
Have you heard Vultures?
I feel like Timbaland is still a bit underrated. In my opinion one of the best producers at just feeling the vibe and not overthinking, which is one of the most important parts of producing. Legend!
Dre, Tim, Pharrell, J Dilla, and Kanye Top 5 GOATS no order
@@waynetables6414 Premier and RZA over all
just because u like something doesnt make it underrated
under appreciated, not underrated bc he is a very well known producer just not appreciated much
Underrated??? What are you talking about?? He owned mid 2000s
timbaland, kanye, mike dean, and the neptunes were literally the best producers of the 2000s. Literally no one defined the 2000s more than them
What about Scott storch
jdilla did too
Dr dre lol
Dre and scott Storch aswell.
Dre for an example produced get rich or die trying an album that definetly defined the 2000s
Dre, Just, Storch can discuss this too
Kanye and Timbaland needs to work on an album together, would be amazing.
they are both doing on the games album right now, on documentary 2 :)
tim harkel he means a kanye and tim album not one game track they worked togheter on
Sickle Stevens I understand that, but at least we wil be able to hear something new from them bouth :D
sorry for bad englsih
tim harkel yeah true
+TycraneVG too much ego, I can't see them allowing each other to really do what they want
just to be a fly in the wall with all the knowledge and creativity these 2 have. sheesh
Bro i was saying the same thing...i could die a happy producer after that!
Until you realize how hard it is to do... Most people think sampling is easy and thats why its frowned upon, and when some producers do it it is easy, but the way kanye and Timb do it, its more difficult than you think. Making it an art in its own. I actually think its easier to make a beat from scratch then to successfully sample a track the way Ye does.
@@RealityBoat youre right bro but now i try to make my own samples instead of using what someone else made
@@sickboi335 Part of sampling is trying to catch the emotion of the reaction to the sample too. I dont care how good your self made samples are, it will never have that "Hey, I know that.... oh DAMN!" feeling the first time you hear it. You instantly connect with it, and then it goes somewhere its never been before, so it makes that head bob snap just a bit harder. H.O.V.A. and Stronger are perfect examples of this.... both happen to have come from Kanye.
@@thakaptin2043 i get your point bro but sometimes it is harder to clear those samples from getting out of copyright claim most of the industry producers are in a financial position where they can afford to clear them up so that there wont be a problem using them so i try to make my own so I don't have to deal with anybody running after my beat. but i agree with you that feeling can't be replicated what the old samples gave.
SickBoi Just get Tracklib. Game changer
Definitely agree
That’s amazing! He knows exactly what Kanye wanted and he made it happen even better than Kanye thought.
true to the craft..love this shit
Aye my boy flemlo 😂
Flemlo I fw the channel bro
So crazy that I find Flemlo in here 4 years later😂
I realize I am kinda off topic but do anyone know a good place to stream newly released movies online ?
@@raylantrace5626 Goole, bud.
4:41 i love when timb says “you don’t have no-“ and the kick he has knocks so much harder
it's insane how much better his kick was compared to kanye's lmao some people just have that ear incredible to see
Kanye was never good at drums. He does samples
These guys are so talented.. it's unreal how many hits they have made..
Proverbs 8:17
King James Version
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Jesus loves you and calls all of us to repent!!! ! !!!!! !
Kanye got me interested in learning about production (for fun). As a music fan, it’s dope to see his process for how these records are made.
if you start maybe you'll never stop 😂
It's addicting
Proverbs 8:17
King James Version
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Jesus loves you and calls all of us to repent!!! ! !!!!! !
You can tell Timbo legit loves what he does. That shit is ill.
Imagine TIMBALAND asking you about your own record: "How you gonna tell me this record's not hot?"
Damn this Stonger song sound a hell of a lot like Stronger
U know I kinda do hear it
🤦🏾♂️
Prolly samples the same song
@@vileink4733 Doubt it
I hope they drop it soon
The end of this song proves that it’s a master piece. The outro is sublime musically speaking.
The problem is his original kick had "tonality" in it - So when using it with the 808, which is very tonal - it clashes. So then u run into all kinds of problems wen the two parts r not right to start with. Thats why the very first step is CRUCIAL which is to make sure you KICK and 808 are TUNED together and ALREADY separated. Then its becomes sooo much easier to mix them and they jus harmonosly blend beautiful complimenting each other. The kick punches thru and it knocks on ur chest and the bass 808 wobbles you on ur abdominals and lower gut level. Together they form wht u wod call a HAPTIC experience of a really good low end of a song
In other words Ye didn't know about sidechain
@XenoghostTV wrong. This isn't a side chain thing, this is a disharmony thing
@@XenoghostTVeveryone knows about sidechain and it’s not a fix for everything
Spoken like a professor
@@XenoghostTVside chain in hiphop 😂😂😂😂
Timbo has the best kicks and drums EVER
It's 2021 and I am still waiting for *_"Stonger"_* to drop🤩
hey buddy i have to tell you something
@@silentstormf1496double necropost but i don’t think you get it it’s misspelled in the title
Timbo is one of the best producers of all time. He built and saved alot of careers.
timbo: "i have every drum machine ever made" this man basically changed the course of music history
4:42 just like that he knows the kick pattern listening to it first hand and look how on beat he is smh 🤦🏽♂️ 😳🔥 greatness
huh?
Pretty simple pattern but yeah he smooth with it
It's a 4/4 beat lol. If someone can't keep 4/4 it's almost certain that they're mentally retarded 😅 cute comment though. Timbo can keep 44 OhEmGeeee
@@LoopSeek3ryou can’t do it bro bro 🏆😁
@@victorieux9580 i can do it in like 2 minutes bro bro 🏆😃 its a very simple pattern but executed beautifully
"In Today's Music Industry It's the Producer and Engineer That Counts!" That is in fact a real statement.
I mean mixers and masters
It isn’t totally, you still need talent and extreme hard work from the performers side of things, buuuuut you’re absolutely right the mix and master is INSANELY important.
"in the presence of greatness"
whats up!
@@av5165 nm, wbu?
@@av5165 lmao you both got A V did you live happily ever after?
@@bhaveshtochabbra6853 what’s Gucci?
@@maryagyemang9870 haha omg old ass comment. She never replied 😢
Mixed 11 times omg that’s work and Kanye was like it still ain’t right.. nowadays people ain’t putting that much work into songs now.. u can’t rush perfection every body too much in a hurry to get things done u gotta take your time and do things right
You always know a well produced record from a mediocre one....like day and night
Some artists are focused on making shit that lasts and others not as much. It’s fine honestly different music for different vibes
@@pabloguccibeats4156 we listen to the former even when we all get old. Quality over quantity always
now all of Kanyes shit sounds like ass
@@laner1172 nah ur tripping
I know what ye's talking about. he wants the thump of the kick to cut through while still having the 808 present and not clashing. sidechain compression maaaaaaaan
how u kno how sway
The problem is the kicks sharing similar frequencies. When one comes in they cancel each other out.
they probably didnt know how to sidechain back then. now shit is advanced
Or you could just EQ out the low-end frequencies of the kick and maybe increase the punchier frequencies
mhdTV then I guess you’d lose the thump of the kick
this is true production talk right here. love it
Every thing timberland touches is a classic. 5:40 wow
At 4:39 you can hear how much Timb's kick differs from the weak one
2019 and I can still watch this repeatedly, without skipping.
even in 240p, timbaland keyboard choir sounds crispy :,)
I bow in the presence of their greatness
I love watching the process, music production is so hard and I'm excited for the day I can do shit just like both of them, shits inspiring
And these are the length's today's producers should be going to, to get the record right. I myself, as a producer - keep things like in my mental rolodex at all times. It's not about the quick turn-up record, it's about never giving up until the record is right. Doing whatever it takes! Salute to these two LEGENDS.
Even if it means becoming a monk and going into deep meditation to come up with that perfect sound
Gifted Society FOH its just music bruh it even that deep.
AdonisAiolos yes it is tf? You don’t know how important making music is to him so just stfu
Kanye and Tim and everyone else here are truly inspiring. Hope to be like them one day after I put in all the work.
This one ye most classic songs. super inspiring and motivating
Lex interview brought me here 😂😂
I respect Kanye so much for wanting all of the signal responses to be recognized in the venues the music was played
Undertones make it pop! Timbaland got mad quotables lmao
0:53 "Another level" "Another level of crazy?" - I assume this means that even Kanye's mixing engineers are shook at how many revisions he's making on his song. I think Kanye's dedication to perfecting his products is really admirable and what made him into a truly great artist regardless of the bullshit he sometimes spouts.
I wanna bring that same energy to my business, and hopefully it turns out well lol. Just getting started now.
Good luck bro 💪🏾
Didn’t work out. Infinite revisions was a mistake at first lol. Onto another business haha
@@El_Diablo_12the actual main takeaway from this video is to go back to basics, not to infinitely refine. Kanye would’ve kept going forever if timbaland didn’t show him that simplifying was the best option. Words to live by whatever you do, art or business or anything..
Timbaland is on the mount Rushmore of the best producers of all time.
4:15 that beat so FIREE
wow you're so funny man
adonis mendoza lmao
+adonis mendoza lol
+adonis mendoza lol
The process of producing classic hip hop music props to both of these producers
sometimes you just need to hear it from someone that knows just as much as you and even more for you to see that you got it right
People ain’t even know these some of the first dudes to make a kick and an 808 work together at the same time in records and make it a popular thing… this mad
This was like a movie.
People forget that Yeezy is one of the best producers ever, as well as a good writer.
Man had the best bars when he wasn’t even writing them, just straight free styling from College Dropout-Graduation
Jacob Serrano I really don’t believe him when he said that. As much as I am a massive Kanye fan, the man really can’t freestyle. All of his freestyles ever since 2009 were already written but unrealesed lyrics
Too bad he’s a joke now
@@Loulou______ how he's a billionare and 21 Grammy winner u clown
@@rayseanedogameh2626 🗣
Somebody out here has to explain to me how this dude Kanye is supposed to be a megalomaniac yet he has enough humility to want his product perfect, even after it's released. Plus, the humility to admit his skills and ability weren't enough (yet) so he brought on a more experienced producer to help him. I just got sooo much more respect for this dude now.
Crazy to think about how much more Kanye has been through since the 11 years you posted this
So this comment aged terribly lol
@@SteveOjo it aged well. Kanye is cool standing up for the right things
@@SteveOjo LMAO!!! OMG...This is so embarrassing!!
@@Acousticsoul215nah it’s not. Ur original comment was correct
The last part of the vid made me feel like I’m in a dream/ game watching the concert out of my mind. For real though this song is one of the best ever done.
true
He absorbing the info. Hope this video stays forever
Truly amazing video
Timbaland king of drums
False
U can see the passion and hustle n they eyes
DAFT PUNK SAMPLE SO CLEAN
Just so everyone knows, Tim didn't do anything crazy here, he just found the right kick to go with the 808. Before that, Kanye was trying to fix the problem by adjusting the kick he already had, and often times there's no amount of processing you can do if the sound just isn't right. So Tim went through his sounds and found a kick that would work with the 808, and that was it. I bet Kanye just got caught up in the song and thought the mix was the problem. It happens to a lot of producers.
This was in 2007 though
Two of my favorite producer's.
There’s a science to layering drums. It’s gotta be right
This man said he got every drum machine and every choir ever made @2:30
Jeremy Thompson i believe timb
This man is the God on drums/percussion so I would say it’s safe to say I believe him 😂
@@TheShadowless no he's not. He had a ghost producer protégée named 'Danjahandz' producing some of his greatest beats and took credit for it.
@@ChescoYT danja did melodies..timbos cataloge goes back to 96...there is no better drum/percussion programmer in urban music...he never used the same drum pattern and his sense for rhythm is unique. 1.5TB of beats on my hard drive aint lying
@@g_o-a_t holy shit. Bro i didn't realize he never used the same drum pattern
1 million views later and the title is still misspelled haha
Stonger lool
Hahahah integrity to not change it is admired.
right
Two of my favorite beat makers pushing each other, I love it. Thanks for the content
who dislikes this???? its just behind the scenes footage of the process. I hate haters!!!!!
people who dont understand the importance of bieng creative with music Mike Ross
MIKEROSSMUSIC RUclips PAGE a fuggin men
Bro seeing 14 years ago is crazy
Crazy how much making music has changed since Kanye started dude has been doing it for so long
After years of seeing this video I realized that it was mixed 10 times because in the end what the real problem was the production of the track and sound selection.
who else saw this say 10 years ago and felt old when 10 years ago was 2009
nowadays the process of making music is so short because of technology its kinda sad. Seeing these mf's spending like 4h on getting the kicks to knock makes me kinda happy and appreciate the music more lol. But if the product at the end is good it doesn't matter how you made it...or does it ?
Way too many people focus on making beats as fast as possible. Producers like Kanye and Timbaland (probably, I'm not familiar with how he works) remind me to take my time to get a result I'm in love with.
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If your music is taking 4 hrs to make then idk man, 4 doesn't sound right to me.
Well if it ends up being an iconic/legendary song it doesn’t really matter how long it takes
yeah i understand that but just because it takes longer doesn’t necessarily make it better like you could take 20 mins and just sidechain, mirror eq and put on some saturation and be good. yes it’s good to not rush the process but having the knowledge we have now is amazing man so why shouldn’t we utilize it to expedite the process?
Timb is just flat out gifted they mix that song 10+ times trynna get the drums right and timb comes in and fixes the issue in a few mins
i love when youtube suggests me a random video from the kanye west expanded universe
5:38 and the magic begins like Godzilla stepping on the dance floor ! This beat ist Epic
I really want to hear the different versions back to back cause there’s no doubt it was a good song but Timbaland made it what it is
Timberland is the professor of sound !! . Fucking legend !!
Respect to them in the 2000s no question asked gold 💯💯💯
Ah yes my favourite Knye song “Stonger” off the album “Gaduation”
1:45... Tim seems like he was offended lol
Yeah, I'd be like: "Why are you touching this beat anymore?" it's perfect, and we all know and knew how perfectionist Ye is. Like MJ, Timmy, and Quincy Jones, he can listen what other people can't listen too.
Some people an just hear the sound no one else can, it’s a special talent
Ye, Mike, Timbo, and DP.
Legend shit.
That video transition was slick as hell
Young Dj A-Trak chillin in the back. Bunch of legends in that room.
808s now>808s then
+Ave Mcree (CeeMurda DaBasedgod) Came a long way lol, and thats cool to see you posting here Ive watched some of you're videos man keep up the good work
Mick Mc thanks dude
You know nothing Jon Snow!!!!
Looooooollllll
808's only as a kick drum then. 808's as a melodic baseline instrument now.
Crazy how mainstream hip/hop rap has went from a complete masterpiece like this with hundreds of hours of work to a hour of work with a beat made in ten minutes. Maybe the good old days will come back again.
on everything
Because the technology behind it has gotten so much better. There's no need to have huge mastering decks and consoles, a laptop has enough to do it all. You can zip large files and send them over the internet. No need to fly to LA to get a mix done. No need to buy 10 different keyboards with specific presets, you can download a handful of VSTs and get any sound you want.
Just because the tech got better doesn’t mean it should be quicker. I think what OP met to say, is that artist aren’t going after the best possible sounds and options to amplify the record. It’s more simplistic and dare say, lazy. Even with better tech, artist today know they can get away with a lazier beat and lyrics, just the clout matters now.
Nowdays its all lazy preset 808’s and the same lazy repeat-note hi hats, back in the day the quality was so much better
imo there are still mainstream artists that take their time to perfect their craft or songs. you just gotta look in the right places. art that takes time to perfect doesn't dwindles as time go on, it just so happens that music that takes "less effort" gets more attention.
Fun fact: according to Manny Marroquin, the track’s mix engineer, in the end they went back to the original kick they had on the first day.
Kanye moment
I thought the original kick was fine tbh
Tim is a legend. Forreal
I remember the original Daft Punk dance version back in the 90's, I heard it in Paris and London. Great sample they used. It's what makes the songs a hit.
The daft punk song is barely original. The original is cola bottle baby. All they did is slap on robotic voices.
THAT’S what makes this song great
An honor to be able to see this
Oh yeah stonger.
My other favorite kanye songs are "al flls dwn" and "tough the wre"
This is the song that introduced me to Kanye
4:41 as soon as Timbaland touch the board the magic 🪄 happens
It was like timbaland's heart was part of the demo.
Da undertones make it *POP*
Kanye is a very great producer and an artist, a real artist knows every kick, snare, syth, violin, guitar string that is in the song, todays artist just sing or rap to whatever is offer to them..Yes he has ego but damn he works his ass off in the studio..
Being a music producer is a real job for real ‼💥
The science behind sampling and drums is amazing to see...whether its an amateur in his room alone or grandmasters like Ye and TImbo
Timberland beats so specific as I’m listening to this in my cars speakers the drums beat is coming out of the speakers flawlessly through both sides.
So we just gonna ignore those choirs at 2:30 ? got damn!!! 🔥🔥 let me get those in 2021!!
After 15 years, we're still waiting for the release of "Stonger".
I came here from the lex interview. I love ye 😂
Look at these two kings 👑