How the UK's Mental Health Crisis is Hurting the Economy
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In recent years, the UK's mental health crisis, particularly among youth, has worsened despite awareness efforts. The BMA warns of a severe workforce shortage in mental health services, potentially leaving the NHS 15,800 workers short in just over a decade.
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Covid and lockdowns. Inflation. Threat of war. Increased pressure at work. Increased pressure at school. Student debt. Increased awareness of mental health issues. Housing crisis. Fears about the environment. Fears that AI and automation will adversely affect job prospects.
Nope! I can't think why there should be an increase in anxiety and depression. What on earth have people got to worry about that could lead to stress? We live in a Utopian society!
Add in degenercy and the atomisation of society to that list
I'd add also collapse of religion and culture becoming hostile to some demographics...
Yea sure. Threat of war was a lot more serious two generations ago. Fears about the environment and fears about automation, pretty much unchanged for two generations. Increased pressure at work, nope. Increased pressure at school, definitely nope. Student debt and housing crisis, sure. All in all, not a big change compared to two generations ago.
People being raised overprotected with unrealistic expectations, big yes. You're not special or remarkable, you probably won't amount to anything much, and nobody cares. People seeme to be forgetting that.
@@mrvictorian4004 womp womp
If lockdowns, inflation, threat of war, housing crises and fear of automation are to blame then why did depression and suicide rates increased during the 2010s (record low inflation, record high employment, the most peaceful times in history, ample housing, no lockdowns etc.)
Living in Britain would give me a mental health crisis too tbh
This is how I feel, but I live there
It’s not as bad as it’s stereotyped, but yeah it’s a bit shit currently.
Go and live in venezuela for some months and you will realize Britain is actually heaven.
@@mikelchu100 May want to think about moving away from Britain. I certainly do, looking at Scotland.
@@nothereandthereanywhere scotland is in britain tho?
People can be given psychological therapy, but there is little point when people can not afford a roof over their heads or afford to eat, despite working hard for an abusive employer. It really is that simple.
Its almost like cost of living increases and housing insecurity can't be solved by talking about how poverty makes you feel.
If you all put down your phones, Facebook, TiK Tok, then research shows clearly the outcome.
Turns out that it is the left wing teens that suffer the most. They compare and despair, plus they hold conflicting veiws that they have no choice but to go along with.
Church would provide the purpose and support too. Turns out you are lucky, and lifes what you make it.
Between the ages 17-24 you’re either really happy or really miserable and wish you could live in a mountain hut in the Austrian alps
I'm 30 and still occasionally consider building a hut in the middle of nowhere lmao
I spent some time living in a cottage deep in a forest with no running water and ngl it was very peaceful. Everything outside the cottage just didn't matter, I could see the stars more, and the constant agitating background noise you get from living in a town or city just wasn't there.
I still dream of living in a mountain hut in the Austrian alps though
Im 24 to be clear I did felt depressed as shit in 2020. Cause no shit you sat cooked up in the house not changing your like and doing meaningful stuff. Thing is I know so many people that are like Im depressed. Work 9-5 go home watch TV stay in at the weekend dont take any trips and complain about not getting sex. Then no shit you gonna be depressed but instead of going to a therapist change your life a bit and do something exciting with your life and young years. And to be clear this aint everyone definitely not theres people that have legit serious issues outthere wether its from upbringing or serious trouble that has happened to them. But from what I see about 50% of these young people could easily fix it if they just did something to do so.
at least you would own the house.
@@BIGDZ8346 yeah unfortunately I can’t change my life around. I come a strict conservative Muslim household that even going out with friends is not encouraged. So I just work remotely everyday, eat, shower, sleep and repeat.
There are a lot of advertisements from various organisations that encourage people suffering from mental health conditions to contact the NHS or other support groups. After suffering from severe depression for many years I decided to follow the advice and open up to my GP. I was referred to mental health services. After about 3 or 4 months they called me and asked me to install a self-help app. And that was it. To add insult to injury, the app didn't work properly so I just gave up.
Yeah, same happened to me. Not to mention that work keeps telling me to “use the employee assistance program” that barely works and is completely unequipped to handle anything more than “im slightly stressed by a deadline”. Mental health care has become an insurance policy for companies and gov against you complaining that they don’t care.
I asked my GP if it had ADHD and Tourettes having struggled with symptoms very similar to both all my life. I was asked by said GP of I had friends and if I could hold a job. I said yes to both and then basically told that I can't possibly have mental health issues if I can do both. I was given a over the phone CBT course and promised that if I completed it that I would see a specialist. The CBT course was awful and actually made me feel worse as it basically just was 10 mins a week of someone listing all the stuff I'm no good as and asking me why I don't just do it. I cryed every session. At the end of the course I then never heard back from them. Broken system that's designed to make to make you give up or go private.
So contacting metal health officials actually degraded your mental health 😂
lmao
@@penpolyon8179 Absolutely this in regards to CBT. My sessions were just awful: I didn't want or need to spend every week listening to a guy listing all my fears and telling me I should face them, and if I don't then I'm just weak.
Properly funding mental health resources is absolutely necessary, but we also need to look at the root causes of why people are struggling -- lack of proper housing, poverty wages, lack of opportunities, generational poverty, etc. An individual can have a great therapist but if their environment is toxic, therapy, medication, and resiliency can only help so much.
If you all put down your phones, Facebook, TiK Tok, then research shows clearly the outcome.
Turns out that it is the left wing teens that suffer the most. They compare and despair, plus they hold conflicting veiws that they have no choice but to go along with.
Church would provide the purpose and support too. Turns out you are lucky, and lifes what you make it.
Having a skill that people want/need, but means getting up early, hands dirty.... You also have semi open borders which means you have to pay billions for that, plus all that comes after. Sweden is in bad shape now.
I would say like others, social media is to blame, and then go to a church and meet real people. Imagine if you had children?
I totally agree. Many of the mental health problems are secondary symptoms of a toxic environment. The root cause is the environment. But the mental health people cannot change the environment, they expect us to change. How far can a person bend before they break?! How flexible should a person be before they say "Hey, enough! This is wrong. This is broken and needs fixing."?
I recently visited the UK and honestly one of the main cultural shocks I had was how unhappy people seemed there, especially young people. It's honestly no wonder considering how low wages are and how expensive everything is. I don't know how people afford to be alive.
Well we have no future, so many of us have given up..
Where are you from patrick?
@@Mistoffillies2 Australia but living in Sweden. I feel like people in Australia are unhappy too but generally cover it up a bit more and there's a general expectation of "yeah not bad". People in Sweden keep to themselves but generally they seem quite happy.
well i’m a second generation immigrant, i thank england for all it’s done for me, but i’m about to be a junior doctor, as soon as i can leave i’m leaving
@@jayc342009wdym we have no future? Many have futures
Could part of the apparent "crisis" be simply a greater awareness? Until people began to link disease with germs, clean water wasn't as important. Afterward, they had a crisis of clean water supply.
It just means that previously people weren't diagnosed. Remember when they used to put leeches on people to cure illness ? They just didn't understand it .
No doubt but also not helping matters its the years its takes to train mental health providers.
A wrong Life style is the most important driver of mental (and physical) issues. Do sport, walk, don't eat processed foods. Of course you can't prevent anything 100% but you can lower the risk.
Basic hygiene is a factor contributing to our improved life expectancy as well as child mortality. Just because we are not aware of the problem, doesn’t mean it’s not there.
I think this is a much likely outcome. As we get better at understanding mental health the more people recognise the symptoms. As we get more accepting of it as a problem people will step forward and ask for help more.
Just because we didn’t know what cancer was it didn’t mean it didn’t exist before we recognised it. People were just labeled lazy, bad, or hysterical before we came up with our modern view of mental health.
We need our mental health investment to catch up to the scale of what actually exists. Mental illness, from what I’ve seen, seems to be as prevalent as physical illness and if treated early is very early is often solvable or at least manageable.
My partner works in the civil service, and this is the direct result of over a decade of austerity. Over the years the workload has gone up, the pay hasn't, and as people leave they aren't replaced because of budget constraints. Leads to people doing work that used to be done by two or three people, and they can't cope and get burnt out.
Add a completely incompetent management to this list and you'd be bang on the mark...
We're depressed and anxious because living in this country is depressing and stressful. Thank the tories.
In another 14 years, thank Labour, then Tories again.... it's like people never learn...
Nope, young people are thick.@@MrNPC
you never lived in a war zone, famine etc. Go and work, it helps, instead sitting on every benifit possible.
@@BOBBOBBOBBOBBOBBOB69 The party which has spent the last 14 years dismantling this country was not voted in by young people.
@@GarethPW , you're assuming that this is a problem solely on the government to solve.
You are also reducing a very complex problem to a political party which is dishonest or lazy.
This problem has large cultural element which you are ignoring. Aging population is also not a problem that one government can solve.
I'm a 21 year old neet with depression and anxiety. Call me weak, I know.
I haven't been able to even get a job at a restaurant or a supermarket, let alone an apprenticeship for the field I want.
The competition is so high in the job market that it feels like if you're not the very best, or can't take advantage of nepotism, you might as well give up.
There's no ladder to climb.
Everyone just expects you to make it.
What is a neet?
@@G4MERM4D09 Not in Education, Employment or Training.
What you are going through is normal as a 21 year old.
People seem to think that jobs can be like picking apples off trees when in reality it is not.
I have applied to 100 jobs and failed but I kept persevering. Competition is inevitable in a job market, especially in the private sector as companies want people who are fit for the job.
They can't offer more services than what they can physically give or afford.
Furthermore, a 21 year old typically don't go to jobs with a starting salary of more than £35k. A lot of uni students expect they'll have starting salaries of £100k+ and think any lower is a "poor salary".
On a brighter note, you still have a lot of time to grow your prospects. These things take time. Learn a new skill. Enjoy the small things in life and appreciate that you have a home and a bed to sleep in.
mate I feel the same, apart from I do have a supermarket job that I feel stuck in and can't seem to get a decent job anywhere else despite years of trying. My anxiety during interviews etc. keep making me get to the last hurdle but not overcome it, and my mental health has made my memory and mental clarity so poor I can barely concentrate on anything and conversation is a huge struggle. If you wanna talk I'm here 😊
This may sound patronising, but please don't take it that way, take it as an advice from an older person - keep applying (even if you don't meet all the criteria, employers don't expect to get the perfect candidate) and when you have the job meeting, have your chin up and sound confident. That will help a lot.
I had a friend who was on an NHS waiting list for a mental health condition for 4 years before she killed herself.
I'm sorry for your loss. That must be really hard to witness/go through
@@roseyemelyanova8182 I just feel worse for her parents and sister personally.
@@yusaki8064how do you know she had a sister? Lol
@@abdell75roussos We should not be expecting our children to die
@@yusaki8064 Most on this channel will not have children. Second, you may have no choice.
I believe this is what happens when a government focuses on the strength of its currency than the strength of its citizens mental health.
Did you watch the video?
@@inbb510 yes I did
@@mrlover4310 , then you would know that your comment is extremely unnuanced.
The problem is way more complex which is largely a result of massive cultural shifts to family and community since the Sexual Revolution and the use of social media among young people.
The cultural issues have caused the economic issues.
For example, the low birth rates and aging population have a lot to do with reduced access of the NHS as it is elderly people who use the health service the most and the ones who receive the most costly care (e.g. cancer treatments, end-of-life care).
Furthermore, the NHS and pretty much all healthcare systems weren't designed to have large numbers of mental health patients. The NHS was initially designed to deal with treating infections and pathological illnesses.
It's not just economics. Culture plays a huge role in this problem and it is largely self-inflicted due to us valuing economic independence and short-term career gains over fertility, family, living with parents and restraint.
@inbb510 yes You are explained it very well. But again, it's the currency.Takes precedent over anything else I just put all you said in the Economy that's all that matters to the government.
@@mrlover4310 , we can't fund the NHS through borrowing if young people collectively don't want to contribute to a birth rate of around 2.1 children per woman.
The NHS fundamentally works because it expects lost workers either due to passing away or entering retirement to be replaced by younger NHS workers.
The British healthcare system is very unique (especially the GP system which doesn't exist pretty much anywhere except the UK) so the people who would be most fit for the job would have been the retiree's children.
If us Gen Zs aren't willing make sacrifices to our careers, free time and short-term health (this applies more to women), then the NHS pressures will only increase and no amount of additional funding through taxing would change this.
Us Gen Zs have to reform our mindset to living with parents and be more willing to having children if they value their welfare state and want early retirement. We will age and become physically vulnerable eventually and our 80 year friends won't be able to just meet us and support us as they will also be physically vulnerable.
We also can't infinitely build more houses as we don't have enough land. 5% of the land is built in the UK but that isn't a small number. 20% of the land in the UK is prone to flooding and coastal erosion and 60% are dedicated to farming, national parks and AONBs. Land is an extremely scarce commodity in the UK.
Tokyo is 50% built and it is complete concrete jungle devoid of any green spaces so we can't just build houses so that every Gen Z can pursue their "independent" lifestyles. It's just unsustainable environmentally and economically.
So I wouldn't say this is entirely the government's fault.
Reduce work to 4 days and you will see massive improvements to mental health.
lazy
@@ludicrousreality0 slave
That won't work in all industries. Sure many places have but that doesn't mean it can be done across the board.
If you are fine only accessing services 4 days a week then you may have a point but many people will want to have 5 days.
Almost all companies that do offer 4-day working weeks still expect you to work 35 hours.
Some don't even allow for flexible working so you have no choice but to work 8.75 hours a day.
@@inbb510Services would have to hire extra staff to cover - I think that would be to the benefit of everyone, as 'lean staffing' is a scourge on our working culture
Life in the UK is hopeless and shit. The only hope you have is if you're parents either own a successful business or simply have money laying about.
Not true. None of my parents own a business or had money lying about.
What they did do was teach me resilience, gratitude and forward thinking which has benefitted me today.
@@inbb510 good for you. There are also monks somewhere in the himalayas who are happy on a bowl of rice a day
@@kopiec6565 , shows that Gen Z Westerners can learn from the monks then instead of letting their unconscious superiority complex cloud their judgement on what is actually a good quality of life.
@@inbb510 ive lived in a poorer country than UK, and ive lived in UK and i can tell you, that poorer country was nicer to live than UK, its not just gen Z westerners being spoiled brats, its slowly getting more and more dystopian
@@kopiec6565 , would you care to expand on your points?
I think you've got this the wrong way round. The reason people have poor mental health is because the economy is so bad.
NHS staff and ADHDer here. The number of criteria being reduced for a diagnosis is due to ADHD and Autism having a high likelihood of comorbidity. Some criteria were incorrectly flagging an autism symptom as ADHD. Also, probably due to lack of staff, many professionals have an outside expertise on what ADHD is and don't live with it day to day and know nothing else, so this push to make the criteria even harder to ease strain on services is just another result on the tories not funding mental health services properly (historically we receive even less proportionate funding than acute).
Also, side note, due to the above it's even worse for autism diagnosis. Once you get that then you are "too complex" and can't even get support for basics like depression because there aren't enough autism specialists to go around (they are as rare as rocking horse poo and and trust having one is lucky)
Mental health services have always been bad . I have diagnoses of dyspraxia, ADHD and Aspergers traits.
In 2003, a psychologist thought most of my symptoms were Asperger’s syndrome when they were actually ADHD.
I had speech therapy , early 2002, she thought I had dyspraxia.
In late 2003, one GP, said I can’t have an assessment, too costly . The other found a loophole closed in 2005, I had a short chat with a horrible psychiatrist in early 2004, he said “Aspergers traits not a problem”, correct result .
I reviewed all my records , clear symptoms of dyspraxia and ADHD. Nothing from early childhood for autism .
I learned about adult dyspraxia, I could not an NHS assessment, I received a private diagnosis, my GP, would not accept my report, if I had the diagnosis later, my ADHD would have been detected.
I had a nervous breakdown to get my ADHD detected, February 2020. The waiting time on the NHS, would have been at least 4.5 years. Many psychiatrists, would not assess me because of my other diagnoses. I had a detailed assessment for my diagnosis of ADHD, in August 2020 in Birmingham. The psychiatrist said to a diagnosis of ASD or Asperger’s syndrome equivalent, there has to be evidence from childhood , lots of professionals say I have a “borderline case”.
The whole system is a mess especially for adults.
Work and Pensions Secretary Mel Stride has raised concerns about the increase in such claims.
He told The Daily Telegraph that the 'normal anxieties of life' were being labelled as illnesses and the UK's approach to mental health was in danger of having 'gone too far'
@@gregorysurovoi3968 he does not know how hard it is to access mental health service and the quality of the services .
The waiting times for an adult ADHD or autism assessment can be several years. For children, there is a system which does not work .
If you were born in 2000 you are now 24. From the age of 8 you have seen the credit crunch, austerity, increased fees for university, decline in clubs and pubs, then brexit, lockdowns, high inflation, cost of living crisis. Little wonder you would be unhappy.
24 yo can confirm unhappy in uk. I moved to Lithuania much happier 😂
The individualisation of mental health is to blame for this. Mental health, as was historically done, should be seen as a societal issue that isnt between a psychiatrist and a client but in the material conditions of actual people in society to get better. This is done through good housing programs, care for local communities and affordable living standards. If we gentrify every neighborhood's community away and keep housing like this we will not have good places to heal. Mental health is political
You can't infinitely build new houses to accommodate every individual person. Especially the UK.
Any illness left untreated can become debilitating.people suffering debilitating illnesses are less likely to go in to work.
Simple healthcare 101
Is there any surprise younger people are suffering, cost of living crisis, suppressed wages and companies that abuse their staff left and right
Will never be able to buy a house, working long hours for a meagre wage, living standards constantly dropping year on year - what's the point...
I had to leave my job of 9 years after multiple mental breakdowns, my dad is currently on long-term sick after a breakdown at his work, employers dont care they just want you to shut up and work more then you are paid
In a way they're right. We do need to work. Mental illness isn't an excuse for a long period of not working. Big wheel got to keep on turning
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw fuck that their wheel can eat my ass
@RogerMellie-yk3gw Always work harder on yourself than in any job!!! And jump ship, especially when you're in your 20s. Employers do not give a f about you so neither should you. That's how the cookie crumbles nowadays.
@@Ant-jh3tn I agree. Got to be shrewd in employment.
Everything is becoming more and more of a fight. Jobs are continually unstable, and everyone is immediately replaceable online. Pay never keeps up for ordinary people. And during the pay not keeping up - houses, food, and basic entertainment (especially with libraries being shut down) become more and more unaffordable, especially if you are alone. Kids are unaffordable for most, so you aren't acting like you are keeping it all together for them. Is it surprising that people are finding a lack of things to aim for, because it takes so much of your time and effort to just survive.
If you want people to be focused on their work at work, and not get overwhelmed, then they need to not spend all their time worrying about things outside of the workplace.
I really think that our society has focused too much on continuously growing the economy and increasing productivity through technology but we haven't stopped for a while to see what can be done to improve workers lives.
@@Hugo97HD , the economy is everything whether one likes that or not.
If you have a stagnating or receding economy, you will experience a lower standard of living.
The economy won't wait for people's mental health to get better. If you have a huge section of the population who don't contribute to economic output, then that will be reflected in your standard of living.
I think several decades years of relative stability of the welfare state has made people out of touch with reality and how the economy functions. The UK has some of the most generous welfare states some of the most paid holidays in the world. Though it is under severe pressure, healthcare is also free.
If you want workers to work for free then your proposition about caring about people's wellbeing over the economy may work but people are not that altruistic as we like to believe.
@Hugo97HD they don't care because they can allow more immigrants in and treat them like sh** too.
@@inbb510 you missed my whole point by a mile. I agree that the economy is crucial. But you can't tell me that we've been focusing too much on producing more and more without much improvement in the quality of life of the workers. I work in a research lab, most of peers work super hard and even stay over time cause they like their job. In my industry I would say that productivity has increased a lot in the last decades. Just to show you an example, 20 years ago it wasn't common to see almost anyone with their own laptop and two screens on their desk. Well, that's nowadays the new normal. Can you imagine how much more efficient with our time we've become now that we have all of these new tools? Even in our warehouses the workers have a tablet because companies understand how important it is for productivity. We keep on getting better and better at producing more, but us, the workers, haven't seen much improvement in our quality of life. Haven't you wondered how come now in 2024 there are more billionaires than ever before? Boomers like to think that they worked hard but the modern worker works as hard but with even more tools to produce even more.
"Be perfect or be discarded, but don't expect to be paid as if you're perfect".
Also, having to pay the highest tuition in the world for wanting to go to uni is very interesting, especially when even having a bachelor degree is basically as useful as having a diploma.
So we are sending too many people to university on useless degrees (agree). That's because the students are voluntarily choosing these. They are welcome to earn more money starting on path to a bricklayer at age 18.
If their degree is useless. They are on 35k when 28 say. Then the tuition isn't expensive at all. Has been free AND the taxpayer subsidised their rent and food for ages 18-21.
You try explaining that to the parents that believe their kids are the newest Einstein. Blue collar work has been demeaned for decades.
@@danielwebb8402 , a lot of young people go to uni because they want the "uni LAïFE". They didn't go there because they want to study.
And when they realise they have to pay more tax to pay their borrowed money back, that's where a lot of students lose hope. This is about choices.
@@danielwebb8402 I guess all those who are doing engineering/science are just doing "useless" degrees then...
@@laurentleplat333 Far more important than it having been demeaned is that it's also demeaning. It's physically exhausting, underpaid and in the long run ruinous on your back, joints, bones and nerves. You won't find a lot of accountants in the waiting room to an orthopedic clinic, but you will find a whose who of bricklayers, nurses, carers, custodial staff, carpenters, and other blue collar workers.
The increasing cost of living and failure for wages to keep up is also going to worsen mental health issues
And this year about 3k doctors applied into psychiatry training, but there are only around 600 training spots, not much more than a decade ago
Same in all specialities. For some reason the government prefer importing people with medical diplomas from the countries with very low life expectancy and very different health concerns, comparing to our own.
So in other countries, a few decades ago in the UK? Where they have children and care for parents too? The comparisons can be made...
Ditch the social media, and try to go to church. The social media companies will hate this, they want to to compare and despair
@@abdell75roussos
Church makes people feel worse. You get shamed for everything. Shut out by cliques. Condemned if you're anything but straight. Condemned if you feel suicidal. Condemned if you feel lust. Treated as second class if you are a woman. Say the wrong thing, get threatened with hellfire.
There is a reason Christianity's numbers are in the toilet.
That is NOT why more people are seeking ADHD diagnoses omg.
It’s true I’ve never seen the country look, feel and be so miserable. People are coasting through a sea of hopeless misery.
you absolutely should talk about CAMHS, because I have a number of friends who went through CAMHS and from what I hear it's one of the most degrading things a child can go through. from what I remember, my friend who was self-harming at 14 got told by her doctor that her wounds "weren't deep enough" to be alarming. I doubt anything's changed in 4-5 years.
CAMHS probably responsible for increase, long waiting lists, lack of health professionals. When you finally get an assessment it's hurried and quickly closed despite obvious issues imo
Psychiatry in this country is degrading, full stop.
Huge numbers of professionals in the NHS are on the verge of burnout because of political choices and all the government wants to talk about is productivity.
As someone who struggles with major depression (resulting in psych ward stays) with psychotic symptoms, I am still only offered antidepressants and CBT. I'm not bipolar or scizophrenic so I don't hit the high threshold for CMHT or a psychiatrist for different meds beyond antidepressants GP's can prescribe. But the treatment *just* for anxiety and depression doesn't help, you can't talk yourself out of psychosis. It's been a decade now of years of feeling ok then years of horrendous episodes with very little support. I imagine there's a lot of people stuck in this middle ground with me.
You can get an antipsychotic from your GP, if they don't prescribe one complain
I have a diagnosis of BPD, OCD and PTSD. obviously most of these are accompanied by depression and anxiety, I was put on lithium as an off-licence treatment, you can actually argue your case with doctors for any medication you think will work. Lithium is only prescribed to people with bipolar and is extremely bad for your physical health, so if I can get put on that as well as a plethora of antipsychotics, I'm sure you can get put on something. You have to stand up for yourself.
It is up to the GP surgery/GP as to what meds they are comfortable prescribing. Some GPs do prescribe antipsychotics (fewer less keen on initiating treatment with someone whose never had them), some GP surgeries have an agreement with CMHT that they will sign off on prescriptions from CMHT but they themselves aren't primarily directing care.
Being treated like a worker drone. Forcing staff to work at the top limits of their capacity.
I like how you didn’t even touch on the effectiveness of mental health services or lack there off. There needs to be some targeted but in general it’s just a money pit of never ending spending as people refuse to deal with the underlying conditions
I'm behind the idea that a core part of the issue is loneliness. Society isn't adapted to how we've lived most of human history which was tribal, relatively broad close knit clan communities. The nuclear family many of us live by isn't sufficient. I think everyone recognizes that. You need friends, coworkers etc etc.
But many of the substitutes for a clan that people have found in religious organization and other similar things that grow from in person socializing have decreased. Personally coworkers are much more distant to me because I've worked remote most of my working life. I think social media, pornography and even just telecommunications generally hurt people in this way. I don't recall where I gathered this but I recall mental illness having a close connection to loneliness. Doesn't mean it's "fake". Just that one may cause the other (or it's bidirectional).
Then there's also (more rigid than my speculation of course) the "prevalence inflation hypothesis". A poorly studied suggested phenomenon where mental health awareness leads to people reporting mild distress as mental health issues. That can only be part of the explanation because you'd see a lower rate of diagnosis. And I don't think that's reflected strongly in the queues to doctors.
100%
its still tribal people just worship there mobile phones and silly little flags
Bullshit, our nuclear family has persisted for the last 800 years plus totally fine.
What's cratered our mental health and caused the great loneliness has been the decline of extra-familial friendships.
That started I think with the introduction of Television and the fall in religiosity which meant that people had fewer and fewer things in common to talk about (because there was more things to be entertained by,) but was MASSIVELY exacerbated by the internet and social media which means that people are encouraged to be entertained by that and get their social interaction through that rather than in person. THAT is what has made people lonely. There's nothing wrong with the nuclear family.
@@moritamikamikara3879divorce rates rise and birth rates decline the nuclear family is failing terribly
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Personally I don’t think throwing more money at the issue is the way to go forward. Rather trying to address what actually causes the anxiety and depression. I come under the 17-24 bracket with a mental health condition and I can certainly say, in my case my mental health would be much better if I didn’t have the issues I did.
Our corrupt establishments such as police and government need to be held to account. There is also wider issues such as cost of living, culture wars, religious wars, current wars, inflation, house prices, rising bills, loneliness, declining population, lack of relationships, work/school pressure, etc etc.
I’m sure if a survey was conducted on root causes of mental health issues these themes would come up. So rather than giving more money to NHS who try to help us manage our stress/mental health issues, actually addressing the problems that cause them is the bigger issue in my opinion!
imagine knowing that you will never be able to buy your house in a cool place not a dump like Preston or Blackpool, and then unable to save any money, not able to buy anything, only survive, paycheck to paycheck.... and govt is not interest in solving this
if enough people moved to these places who knows they could gentrify Preston...... there's no hope for blackpool
@@hexrag5901 🤣🤣 god i love this comment
Funny I only moved to the uk a few years ago and was able to buy a house in 3 years the uk is cheap for homes compared to where I’m from. I find people just lazy in the uk blame the government for everything. You do understand that you cannot buy a home on benefits they pay your rent they won’t buy you a home you need to work for that. Maybe get an education and skills and get a job like the rest of us.
@@terryj50 Quit fantasizing.
@@5688gamble don’t need to I’m not a lazy Brit why don’t you lot get off benefits and work. If you did you would be able to afford homes. Why do you always rely on the tax payer to top you up. If by chance you are working go and ask your boss for a rise not the tax payer.
The rapidly increasing cost of living and declining quality of life is, I think, one of the main things that must be causing this. Our seas and rivers are full of sewage, more people are using food banks every year, cost of housing is spiralling out of control. Meanwhile the politicians don’t care to fix anything.
And if the liberals win?
You mean that in some ways you are or feel poorer than those that for a few dacades had more than you now?
The same people who did not travel much or at all, had no social media, and worked in a profesion they may have hated or killed them, and had children too?
@@abdell75roussos No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I feel poorer than I was five years ago. Despite having several promotions and nominal pay rises, those pay rises haven't matched inflation, so in real terms the value of my salary has decreased.
Small nitpick: the NHS does not use the DSM. It instead uses ICD, currently ICD-11 to be precise.
My autism diagnosis in February 2024 was using ICD-10
@@DevonPixie19912025?
@@DevonPixie1991What year?
I have been diagnosed with both DSM and ICD for MDD and ASD. Also the NHS often uses ADOS for ASD diagnosis.
@@DevonPixie1991did you book it before 2010 or have the wait times gotten better?
Given that a large majority of NHS Trust’s services have been sold off by the current government to private contractors (Privatisation, which has increased wait times and decreased care quality.) Does anybody truly think the Tories , or even Centrist Labour will fund mental health services? I think not.
Eunuch Politicians.
Nothing will change with Tories and the New Labour - there’s no two parties as they seem to agree on almost everything except for petty cultural war issues ( to create an illusion of choice and difference ) , in reality there’s only one party that serves the neoliberal corporate profit masters , the business party only , one body with two heads ( Labour & Tory ) ;
This is true Orwellian totalitarian set-up , that creates a theatre of democracy as a show only
As someone from Liverpool who has ADHD , recently diagnosed, I think our services where chronically bad at finding people with this condition. I smashed the criteria, and I know a few others getting loads.
Historically merseyside was bad at addressing learning difficulties.
I had to pay two months' wages to get diagnosed as there was a three-year waiting list where I live. The reason why these issues get unaddressed is that the mental health services in the UK get's given less than peanuts. Usually, people go to more extreme measures themselves before they even see someone as the wait is just too dam long.
Been on the waiting list in St Helens just for an ADHD psychiatrist for two years, I already have an NHS diagnosis…just need to talk about treatment options
@@josephhughes1498 r man , have you tried the psych UK services , I was originally waiting 2 years then got seen in 6 months now just waiting for titration, think the GP can sign it up , also with travel the wirral has a better service which is quicker, I think with the right to choose you may be able to go there
@@josephhughes1498 weird it deleted my reply probably thinking it's spam,
There's some local online services and with access to choose you may be able to get a quicker option through a GP, for instance the wirral are great
I used one called Psk UK, it was online ,
Hopefully this response won't be deleted
@@josephhughes1498 I was on a waiting list for 2 years and then used the other service which sped it up
Just waiting till May June for medication
The annoying thing too is instead of I don't know, investing more money in the NHS mental health services which is shoddy AF which I had to pay two months wages to go private to just get diagnosed and tested, you increase funding for it reduce the waiting lists and get them help then they will be able to enter the workforce. They instead are going hurrr duurrrr they are lazy, lets, cut disability and universal credits. As if that will solve it, cutting the only thread they have to maintain themselves, like that would only result in sel termination going up through the roof. It would not solve the issue at all.
Most of those people will never receive care under the MH budget tho. The £ should go to GP services as that is were the vast majority are being treated.
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE ECONOMY! 😭
I know you're in mental turmoil, but have you considered that we need to make the line go up?
One man's sick note is another man's tax bill
As someone with a long history of MH issues I can confirm that it's been going downhill for a long time. Staff in MH services are stretched too thin, and to get to see an actual counsellor you have to be in crisis.
Outside the NHS a lot of charitable services have gone due to lack of funding, which bounces people back to the NHS and, in extreme cases of which there are too many, back to A&E. Once admitted they can't be released so they end up taking beds (and staff) away from those that need it. It's not nice being stuck in hospital with someone who is clearly unhinged on one side of you, and a patient who requires round the clock supervision and security (so at least a nursing assistant and a security guard get tied up with one patient) kicking off every ten minutes, until they pass out for a bit, only to start again when they wake. Yet there's nowhere for them to go, so they stay there for months in some cases. Which is utterly unforgivable.
But all this means that if you're trying to stay ahead of your issues and avoid falling into crisis the best you can hope for is 6 sessions of CBT. After a few months, if you're lucky. Youth services and all forms of adult intensive care are hard fields to work in, and if you're being run ragged for a pittance why are you going to hang around? If you've experience in MH then anywhere else will be more than happy to take you on because if you can handle that for a few months pretty much anywhere else is a breeze, even end of life care.
It's also worth pointing out that a lot of mental health services are usually under specific NHS MH trusts, so it is much easier to direct additional funding which the government has refused to do. Annual snipping away at MH services has led to more violent crime, assaults, suicides and incidents provoking national outrage, Valdo Calocane being the most recent example. Seriously, his victims and their families should be able to sue the sitting government (s) of the past few years for negligence or dereliction of duty or some such.
I had a nervous breakdown to get my ADHD detected, February 2020.
Maybe a discussion about mental health nurse shortages would be helpful in this and not just doctors…
In 10 years?
its already a crisis.
my current situation is pretty dire.
i have something wrong that is not diagnosed (wont disclose because its a group of people with a common issue of aelf diagnosis cause it was "trendy" for a while)
And it is causing utter chaos in my work and personal life.
my options are.
1. Wait 5 years for the nhs diagnosis and support. And inevitably lose my job
2. Go into stupid debt handling the issue myself. Privately
i will NEVER forgive this country for that. I pay my taxes. Doesnt fucking matter. This country has put capital before its people. Theyre leaving me to either be useless on the dole or to die on the streets.
i always wanted to work. Now i honestly dont care anymore.
Regardless of the consequences. It cannot be worse than what i have went through for the past 6 months.
NHS was always terrible at mental health - I had my own experience in early 2010s where I would have had to wait 16 months for treatment (I gave up, took out a loan for "furniture" and went private - mostly because I felt like I won't survive that long).
It is a mix of many things. All of them were avoidable years ago, but neglected by the people in power
- Socio-economic factors have generational effects. Poor parents = poor children, obviously. We are getting poorer, so naturally children suffer too. Young adults have been priced out of economic security. Homes are 8x the average salary. So what are they working for? Young people cant even move out of their parents house at a reasonable age. There are plenty of people in their mid-20s who cant move out because social housing is basically dead, and landlords have taken all the other houses and priced them up to more than half of the average wage. Public service funding has plummeted for the past 15 years. Young people aren't getting the education or support they need to prepare for adult life. Many kids are computer illiterate and MANY haven't read a single book in their lives. How are they supposed to manage in an increasingly digital age where both computer skills and reading comprehension are key?
- we all have a lack of purpose now. People are working to survive and to stay afloat, but they're not working towards anything else. People have to work depressing jobs and when they finish for the day, they dont have the time or energy to do anything else. A lot of people cant even afford to start a family, so they're just working so they can afford to consume the next advertised thing and then use the rest on rent.
- Social media. The popular understanding of social media's effect on young people is slightly outdated. Yes constantly comparing yourself to others isnt good, but the more detrimental thing for young people is the constant access to instant gratification, shallow and pessimistic arguments, cynicism, false information, a messed up sense of moral superiority on twitter... it all has an effect on young people growing up with it all.
Your first point: The fact that young people don't want to live with their parents is a problem in and of itself.
This is the contradiction that many Gen Z people have. They crave for community but then also want to all live in their individual homes at the same time. Not all Gen Z people have bad parents. The idea that you can't start a family while living with your parents is a ludicrous idea since for all of Humanity, that's what families at homes were like - multi generational.
Your second point: The lack of purpose, you can thank the Sexual Revolution and the destruction of the family unit in exchange for economic individualism at all costs. Furthermore, having a family in a developed economy in the 21st century will always be expensive no matter what social services there are as there are increased needs for the children compared to what was in a agrarian society (childcare, internet connection, mobile phone bills, compulsory education, university education, healthcare, pensions, public services). Being a parent was always a sacrifice on people's lifestyles to preserve the human race. It's just the Sexual Revolution obscured this fact when there was still high fertility rate while many people could afford to live as "childless" and still get State Pensions by the time they retire. People used to fill the void between government and civil society with religion and the church but now that has been destroyed along with the nuclear family, every Gen Z now expects the government to solve all of their problems including cultural problems as they have no support network to seek community support. This all translates to extra tax burdens on everybody.
Your third point: Social media is pretty much the embodiment of Gen Z behaviour. YOU are the main character. YOU are getting attention. YOU are comparing YOURSELF to others. Every problem YOU have is other people's problem. It's individualism on steroids.
@@inbb510 As an easterner , western culture is weird and insane , like people want government and the rich people to be selfless and show some empathy for the poor but they themselves would do everything to avoid any sort of social responsibility like having a family .Hyper individualism and socialism can't be together .
@@inbb510 starting a family while living with your parents is doable, sure. But is it ideal? No, especially if the house is overcrowded as it is. The average home isnt very big, and walls are pretty thin.. people want privacy.
Young people crave community but community doesnt revolve around living with your parents. Young people want independence, and previous generations had no issues being able to afford their own place while also being part of a community. Wanting your own space doesn't mean you want to cut yourself off from the world. It never meant that.
I agree the sexual revolution is a factor in many regards, definitely. I don't really agree that gen Z expects the government to solve everything. Gen Z were told all their lives that they'd have the same opportunities as their parents or grandparents. That simply isn't the case. University costs have skyrocketed, wages have stagnated, the job market has become hyper-competitive even with 7 year degrees. The house that their parents got for £45k is now worth £145k, but they're on pretty much the same wage as their parents were. Young people don't expect the government to solve all their issues, but cmon, they should at least expect to have the same quality of life and opportunities as previous generations.
I agree with you on social media, which is why I think it's detrimental to young people, but those behaviours are taught. It's not necessarily their fault or the fault of the parents. Nobody could REALLY predict how the internet would turn out. The internet was brand new. We're now aware of the effects, which is why parents are getting criticised more for allowing their kids unrestricted access to the entire internet. Now that a lot of gen z are adults, they should start thinking about how to unlearn those behaviours taught by the internet
Blaming the crisis on a redefinition of criterion based on more empirical research seems to be the least important reason here.
My depression mostly stems from my hope for a better future and current UK politics has obliterated this.
Exactly.
Why does your happiness and hope depend on the government?
@inbb510 Because the government makes bad decisions that affects people.
@@dominoep what sorts of bad decisions? I say this because we will never "solve" problems. There is no such thing as solutions in politics. There are only trade offs. Every political decision has tradeoffs. Every political decision has its winners and losers. Furthermore, your statement assumes that governments can deal with the problems in just a decade. Even a startup business takes 5 years to really take off so dealing with a nationwide problem or even an international problem will take decades to solve. There will always be problems in society to varying degrees. Solving one problem creates new problems and challenges. This is why I'm asking you why your happiness depends on the government so much.
Shit life syndrome has progressed to shit country syndrome.
Has anyone looked into how convoluted and difficult it is to work in psychology? I have a BSc in Psychology, trained in mental health first aid, voluntary experience, and I genuinely want to help everyday people with their mental ill-health as a career.
However, its stupidly competitive and to start out you essentially need experience in psychiatric wards or social work, which pay peanuts and can be dangerous. Even to start as a psychological wellbeing practitioner, which is pretty entry level, you need a lot of previous experience. I'd love to be a therapist, but I'm completely turned off by the training and recruitment process, as well as working for peanuts in the NHS.
When you leave education you will get paid peanuts. The quicker you get on with it, the quicker you will get to a well paid job.
If it was really that competative, then we wouldn't be here watching this video.
As a PWP (psychological wellbeing practitioner), my advice is not to do it 🥲 unless you want to feel hopeless about the NHS structure and feel sad and frustrated that you’re not able to help others in the way that they need, or get burnout…and then get told to keep going 😅
@@g0ldenkeys thanks for your input. Yeah sadly this is similar to other stories people have said about PWP. Such a shame as it could be a really important role in catching mental ill health early, but workers aren't supported well enough, like what you've mentioned.
I believe we should be setting up a career pathway/graduate scheme for psychology graduates, instead of people calling it a mickey mouse degree etc., we could put it to much better use in the NHS and recruit a lot more graduates and make it more well-supported and attractive.
I was a psychology lecturer for nearly 20 years and have written my fair share of references for the clearing house of the D.Psych course. I've seen former students with amazing CVs not even get an interview - including a trilingual former Navy helicopter pilot who had worked in several African countries doing mental health work at charities as well as working in US as a researcher. The problem? She had a 2:2 and "only" got a merit in her MSc research methods (despite publishing it).
There is a sorta shortcut. Do a PhD in a clinically relevant subject. 3 years and you're outta that and potentially can get straight on to the D.Psych course without more "experience"
Things here are getting palpably and visibly worse with no sure sign that anything will get better, our political culture has become horrendously divisive and is dominated by social media sites like twitter that encourage division and anger, it's honestly a no brainer from my perspective
It’s a dark and rainy place. I think Seasonal depression is especially high here
I am researching the topic in academia. It’s atrocious. I recommend looking at the ADHD crisis in the UK in more depth - It’s killing a lot of people. It takes 5+ years for a diagnosis. Otherwise it’s £750 privately (assessment+follow-up) typically, in the next 3-5 months, if you’re lucky. And if you have been diagnosed with it-Good luck with getting treatment. You might get a medication if you went privately, but since the medication reviews are so expensive (and a high number of psychiatrists privately simply do not accept them), you can be stuck with taking a medication that is the wrong dosage due to medication short-cuts that damages your health (that can send you in the hospital due to damages on the heart with no access to medication reviews), or severe symptoms that can put you in danger if you stop taking those meds, including suicide (much higher rates in this population). Without even talking about medication shortages. Suicide services are atrocious-people wait 1 hour or more on a line in a middle of a crisis to speak to non-specialists, or be stuck in the hospital waiting rooms for 7+ hours (and they can’t leave or the hospital can set the cops on you) only to be told there’s nothing they can do as there are no psychiatrists that can see you. Also, no insurance covers ADHD as you are born with it and therefore considered a pre-existing condition.
Our mental health crisis is getting far far far FAR worse.
It's the one field in which our conditions and standard of living is infintessimally declining, even while technology advances further.
Nothing is being done about this, at all.
“Infinitesimally” means extremely small.
All my employers care about is my pick targets at work. It’s no wonder I’m having mental health problems….
always has been so.
I keep having these nightmares of a mindlessly hyper-competitive world, where nobody cares about each other and will throw each other under the bus if it helps them advance.... then I wake up.....
I was told to use an app that I’d have to text a therapist. The app wouldn’t hold my log in details for more than about 30 seconds and I’m dyslexic. What it felt like they wanted was to condense peoples mental health problems into four basic emoji’s. What was actually going on was a very complex problem with me trying to deal with my sick mother that needed more help than she’d accept and much of my problems weren’t just mental health problems but the fact I was really struggling with the situation.
Just once I would love to see a "This topic is currently not considered a crisis in the UK"
Good news is no news.
well the uk is so shit that everything is a crisis
I haven't worked full time since I crashed out of a job I had early in the pandemic, which led to a nervous breakdown. I've had a long history of anxiety and depression, and the way I was treated in the social care job I had led to this.
I was signed off for early retirement at just 47 because of the long-term damage to my mental health and wellbeing (also exacerbated by long waits for other NHS health services) and will likely never work full time again, nor in any job paying much more than minimum wage.
It doesn't feel great to be a net drain rather than a contributor to the economy, but this is down to Tory system failure rather than myself, this country has been screwing over ordinary hard working people for well over a decade.
I'd argue that a lack of trust in the future of the country is also a pretty big reason for the uk specifically getting worse
It's important to differentiate between diagnosed cases and actual cases. In my opinion, it's not that we young people suffer from greater mental health problems, but that we simply recognize it more. And the lack of diagnosis in general doesn't mean that there are fewer problems, because there are people who may suffer from them but don't go to a professional for a diagnosis
As a middle aged person, I feel that young people really are going through a difficult time. I don't envy them. I feel that there are multiple reasons, both existential and physical.
The most important issue is that buying your own home is now an almost impossible dream. Even renting is difficult. So you may be stuck with parents and not feeling truly independent.
The retirement age is going up all the time - and I suspect that a point will be reached when you'll only be able to retire when you have the money to do so. (Though it's worth remembering that the govt pensions were originally introduced on the basis that a person would only live a few years past retirement). So you'll need to put money aside to pay for that pension - but that can be easier said than done.
Young people seem to be less involved in outdoor activities and instead are more involved in gaming - but it's well established that the whole process of being outdoors and engaging in nature is proven to help our mental health. But access to the outdoors isn't easy: more people live either in cities, or in flats, where even a garden or park is out of reach.
The world is burning - climate change is real - and yet the future is in the hands of people who clearly put profit before people.
Social media and gaming may be easy and fun, but it's also addictive - and it's no substitute for real conversations with real people.
It's all the screen time their minds are polluted like never before. We have started losing our social distancing.
Hi Vivien, You just perfectly put into words everything I have been feeling the last few years. Thank you!
I agreed with all that, until you started spouting climate change. That's just a fearmongering facade - the climate has ALWAYS been changing - it's called the seasons, orbit of the planet and the difference between solar minimum and maximum. Not to mention we're in the middle of an interglacial period; panicking about "Climate change" is ridiculous.
@@The_Phoenix_Saga oh dear. Someone who doesn't believe in science. You don't think the world is flat by any chance 🤣🤣🤣
I game to escape the world, going out more won't fix anything for many gamers.
Austerity
Of.....
Public sector spending a higher % of gdp every year than any year from 97-07.
Allocation of money for mental health and learning disability support has been cut to save the councils from going under.
Plus most mental health workers get low pay (especially for sleep shifts).
Part of me wonders if there's going to be some zeitgeist pushback along the lines that mental health has been excessively "medicalised". Because fundamentally, it's a top down problem. One of the most important roles of a leader and political party *is to inspire hope.* Maybe the country isn't _ill_ for feeling hopeless at the moment?
I can't remember what term was used, but I remember some of the controversy regarding Canada's euthanasia laws mentioning a term that essentially meant "you're depressed, but in your situation, it would be concerning if you weren't" and I think we desperately need to move that kind of thing into the discussion more.
The early 21st century has come to be defined by an unprecedented era of political paralysis, with many countries going through the national equivalent of a blood clot in the brain. Many first past the post democracies have split into a selfish conservative party with no good policies except how to hold onto power, and an out of touch centrist party that is at least _interested_ in governing but has few good and no new ideas on how to do it. Actual living, grass roots politics has split left and right, both terrifying each other, all while we have climate change as the Sword of Damocles over our heads.
Of course, the problem is more than just politics, and lots of people can actually benefit from medical treatment for mental health issues. But the establishment's definition of "health" is always going to be "productive and working without complaint", and that perception has even slipped into TLDR's coverage with the stats at 7:10. Hard not to feel cynical about it all
Have they tried giving us jobs that earn enough to support homes and families, without burning ourselves out living "the grindset" as multimillionaires make bank and inequality worsens? No? Didnt think so
First world problems
The us should open its doors to you again
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw because the right to support a family is a first world problem
@@THTB_lol No. Anyone working full-time can afford to support a small family. It's the right to iPhones, holidays, Nando's and Netflix they think they're owed. Like I say, first world problems.
Plus, nobody is forced to have a family. If they can't afford it, they shouldn't do it. That's just being a bad parent.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw what's next? you gonna say that a family can feed itself for 30p a day
After 2 decades of the govertment like the Britain got we would all have mental problems I am affraid
10 years ago I had a mental health crisis and received support almost immediately and got counselling within the year. After a recent relapse I have learned that it is a minimum of 1-2 years to see a therapist. It's not hard to see that if the government wants to get people back to wor it has to properly fund the NHS first.
Me and my girlfriend have been living in the uk for the past 3 and a half years. She is Portuguese and she feels like going insane without sun. We plan on leaving for many reasons… unfortunately.
I've been here for 3 and half as well, I'm Portuguese, and I'm going back to Portugal. I don't think the UK is worthy. Good luck for you two
@@nicoledonald3858 Boa sorte nicole! Bem Portugal tmb nao e o melhor sitio mas sim... pensando em opcoes para imigrar fora da europa tmb... Esta um caos.
I know it's a politics channel but the final line of the video really tells you a lot.
We only care about people's mental health when it impacts the economy I guess. I'm sure that feels great.
Or it's the only way to get the conservative party to care,
It's like crippling poverty is bad , but if you said people being poor makes rich people poorer they may care, as poor people stagnate the economy. Making poor people richer makes rich people richer.
Sadly the hard hearted people need incentives to be kind to our fellow humans
The economy is everything whether you like it or not.
What young people don't seem to understand is that economy doesn't care about humanity and never will do as they are two completely different things. You can't humanise the economy. It's like trying to humanise science.
If there isn't economic output, then you will experience a lower standard of living. It doesn't care whether people have genuine reasons as to why they can't contribute to the economy.
If a lot of people stop working, then the economy will stop which leads to other problems and those problems causing other problems.
@@inbb510 This is why a pure form of a capitalism is just simply a fantasy. Humans aren't robots. And unless we are going to talk about 'discarding people', we have to find a better option. Or trickle down economy.
@@nothereandthereanywhere , Tiktoks, pumpkin spice lattes and paid holidays don't run an economy.
Unless you want people to only have services accessible from 10am to 2pm everyday there will never be a good work-life balance for all people.
If you go into the NHS as a nurse expecting work life balance or go into being a policeman expecting a strict 9-4 schedule then you have picked the wrong job.
If everyone worked only 4 hours a day but expect to be earning a salary equivalent to 7 hours, then the country will go into very unsustainable debts very quickly because you aren't producing the extra economic output per hour necessary to offset the 3 hours of not working.
In the UK , we have a statutory minimum of 25 days of paid holidays. That's already a significant tradeoff we have made to achieve work life balance.
That's the harsh truth with our generation. Our very unwillingness to be resilient and go through any sort of inconvenience or pain in order to achieve a greater good.
Our modern culture of as affirming people's mental health to the point that people don't want to self improve and play the victim card is what's causing the very downfall of Western society as a whole. We reward their victimhood rather than to try to help them. Young people are only told what they want to hear rather than what they must hear and that's the fundamental problem with our generation. I am happy to coin the term "toxic affirmation" to describe this. Affirmation and validation at all costs. No building resilience. No self improvement. No self reflection. Just blame others and demand affirmation. It's someone else's fault always.
@@nothereandthereanywhere , we already 'discard' people as a necessary evil anyways. Why do you think abortion and euthanasia are being legalised throughout the world??
At the end of the day, the no economy however you design it can care about humanity because the economy is just inputs Vs outputs by human beings. Don't put enough in, you aren't going to get much out.
It may be humane to let people only work 2 hours a day with 75 days of paid leave but you aren't going to get much economic output for that to be sustainable.
It may be humane to let loads of people fleeing war and bad economies to a country, but if there aren't enough land and houses and jobs, the economic output will be lower, lowering living standards for all.
In an ideal world, humanity serves the economy but in a world of scarcity and diversity of tribes, the economy dictates humanity. It's a harsh truth to swallow I know but it is what it is. Idealism can try and bend this harsh truth all it wants but every civilisation eventually comes back to this simple matter.
The current situation in Russia and the threat of nuclear war isn't helping and the threat of climate change. Worrying times.
I feel another comment is in order. Year on year life is getting harder in the UK. My company I work in is cutting back hours, it happened in my last job before I left. This is a big cycle. Unless you take management or supervisor positions your in more danger of getting hours cut. A young person of today has little job security and has to often work multiple jobs. I work 3. This isn't necessarily by choice, more by need. I do what I can to manage, but understanding my finances and tax whilst running a business had been a big learning curve that a person younger than myself would definitely struggle far more with. Some people think I had failed, but there are rules hidden with this country that keep you poor. You have to navigate your way round a minefield. Keep your head in the game, and learn those rules and get in control of your finances... it will hopefully get easier eventually. I look forward to the day I can reduce my job to 2, and then 1 again. I look forward to the day I have money from one source or all without employment, and I don't have to think much about it. Consistency is key, and I had the job I wanted for like six months before it was shat on... so I went self employed and am doing what I need to survive on top of that to do what I love doing. Now I just don't want an employer. I don't want my life controlled by someone who doesn't see my value. People don't spend money like they used to, because they don't have it. So it endless cycle of shrinking hours, you got to find a way to navigate that. No wonder mental health is worse. Every year for me has been a battle, now this year I take home 24k-25k before tax. Not a lot but more than I have ever earned.
It's not mental health. It's social health. Young adults and those in their 20s are more demoralised that they won't achieve a comfortable life.
I have for one reason or another been trying to get an ADHD diagnosis for five years. I've been kicked off waiting lists twice because services closed and didn't transfer their patients. With help, I might be able to work, but because the NHS keeps failing to meet my needs, I'm just left in a horrible limbo where I can't work, I feel awful about myself and my mental health gets worse, I end up with secondary depression, no one will help me fix the root cause, so my ability to work gets worse....
If you're in England please look up Right To Choose, I got seen by Psychiatry-UK remotely within a couple of months. Their current waiting list is much longer but you'll probably get seen within a year.
ADHD isn't a proper thing. It's just being human. Maybe just crack on with things.
Depression is very real, though. Maybe seek a talking group with other people experiencing depression.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw you ever heard the phrase "if you're going to be stupid, it's better to shut up?" Maybe meditate on that phrase a while.
@@danielrhymes4593 If only I were a RUclips genius like you. How generous that a renowned expert like you has graced us mere mortals with your genius. We're honoured.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwWhat are you qualified as? A psychiatrist or a sad loner with not much to do?
I thought this title was to do with Liz Truss at first 😉
I left the UK a year ago and my mental health improved significantly. The society is completely toxic. Cost of living crisis; severely mentally ill people going untreated and traumatising others with their aggressive behaviour; lack of policing, security and justice; lack of access to nature; lack of pleasant infrastructure to get around by walking or cycling; rampant individualism, selfishness and disrespect; lack of hope and prospects outside London and the home counties.
The NHS needs funding, yes, but the whole society needs rebuilt. Stop trying to be America, it leads to tent cities full of mentally ill homeless drug addicts. Try and be a normal European country where the fabric of society is seen as necessary to individual flourishing, not an impediment to it.
^Exactly!!
Where did you move to? This comment sums up exactly why I'm considering leaving the UK in the next few years
Well said 👉💯
@@dannythwaites1318 Germany. Higher wages, higher standard of living, fully funded and functioning public services, normal people able to afford to have kids and spend quality time with them, access to nature, safe to cycle, fresh water you can swim in without getting sick, minimal public aggression, violence and psychosis, etc etc, wish I'd moved a decade ago tbh.
@@tattiesconebuttie Any advice on finding a job in Germany please as a British national please, I'm considering moving there from the UK too. Life in Britain is indeed depressing.
my local services have an 8 month wait time for NHS/charities, private costs far too much and has a 3 month wait aswell. cant even see my doctor within 30 days.
This is a problem not just in the UK but the whole world.
In the past, many people just dealt with mental health problems themselves and didn't think it was something for the public healthcare services to solve as it wasn't 'objective' health problems like infections, colds or chronic illnesses.
But now, suddenly, a lot of people are trying to seek diagnosis as the stigma fades away in talking about it which has lead to demand increasing but the supply of healthcare not catching up.
Our problem isn't a Tory problem but a cultural problem to how we deal with mental health.
I have been advocating for a while for a NHS overhaul where we take money out of keeping old people alive as long as possible and put it into a reformed National Mental Health Service (NMHS if you will). One of the founding functions of the NHS was to keep a fit and healthy workforce, the NHS needs to evolve to provide that.
Is this audio put through a compressor? It sounds really strange and ‘pumping’.
4:29 I’m a pedant so I feel the need to say that +400% is 5X not 4X.
It's more than just being pedant. Percentages are easy to mess up even for mathematicians and I think their overuse in banks, economics and the media creates more confusion than help. For example I say that a value increased by 20% and then decreased by 16.67% I think most people will assume that the final value is much higher than the initial one.
@@IvanToshkov People don’t always think things through.
@@yusaki8064Totally! And that's why we should strive to make things easier to get right. Percentages are evil! :D
Hey @TLDR News, do you guys have a news app yet? I’ve got ADHD and love your clear and simple way of reporting and would love a news app that does the same!
Work and Pensions Secretary Mel Stride has raised concerns about the increase in such claims.
He told The Daily Telegraph that the 'normal anxieties of life' were being labelled as illnesses and the UK's approach to mental health was in danger of having 'gone too far'
On the bright side at least the public can empathise with their mentally ill government now…
Nah the government aren't mentally ill, they know exactly what they're doing
I might have been able to respect this video if it had provided data around the broadening of definitions for mental health conditions. Instead, it went off about adhd diagnosis, which is not a mental health condition. One of the main argumentative threads in this video was this not backed up.
Yes, the definition change for this did broaden and therefore allow a wider range of people to fit under this diagnostic criteria, but to my understanding this was to make the criteria more accurate to the reality of the way people present, specifically as they are getting older; more to the point, people seeking out an adhd diagnosis aren’t doing it because they’ve heard there’s this thing and maybe it’d be cool to get diagnosed - they’re seeking diagnosis because they are struggling with things in their lives. This experience has not changed due to the changing diagnostic criteria - in fact, this struggling is likely to be made more understandable through being able to identify the problems as symptoms of adhd, and strategies and treatment for adhd can *reduce* the incidence (or at least everyday impact) of poor mental health in this group.
Mental health care in this country is absolutely pathetic
Everypne cites pitiful excusrs on why it is, but excusrs are irrelevant
You eithet fix it, or you don't
There's no such thing as anything else
Reporting in the media blurs diagnoses given by your GP of "depression" and "anxiety", and formal psychiatric diagnoses made through a 50min clinical interview by a psychiatrist (e.g. MDD, Recurrent Depressive Disorder, GAD, Panic Disorder). Only some patients treated via GP will ever be referred to the CMHT for specialist treatment. And, this is unlikely to change. CMHTs largely deal with patients diagnosed with psychotic disorders and bipolar affective disorders, and the rest are small numbers from other diagnoses such as OCD.
CMHTs use clinical interviews to diagnose. Questionnaires may be used in specific cases (& I believe that's more common in the US), but they are largely research tools, and were not necessarily designed for diagnosis. Tge UK usually uses ICD, not DSM, although a psychiatrist may use DSM terminology with patients as DSM diagnoses are more commonly known than the ICD (e.g. bipolar affective disordee vs bipolar disorder 1 & 2).
Ultimately those with serious mental illness continue to get caught in the middle of this. We now have Sunak targeting large numbers of benefit claimants with SMI to force them into FT work.
I mean no disrespect to anyone and haven't set out to upset anyone. CMHTs are hell holes and to be avoided at all costs. There are some good psychiatrists out there but the least capable, flippant, callous, vindictive, power hungry medics seem to be hiding out in UK psychiatry - the one group of patients above all who cannot complain because they already know that they won't be believed, and will end up on the receiving vindictive end of their dr.
How to fix it? Remove dementia care from the mental health budget, and stop giving funding earmarked for MH budget to A&E. Clinical psychology should be moved out from psychiatry, and funding spent there. Psychiatrists are largely very expensive pharmacists, but your pharmacist knows more about how mechanism if actions of meds, and side effects, than the consultant psychiatrist. Psychiatrists think they know how to talk to patients but they do a lot of damage with words, and have no training in therapy. I'd rather not bankrupt the NHS on wages of consultants when £120k can be put to more positive use
Meanwhile the US:
"One prison fits all! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!"
Social media is definitely a huge reason for any rise in mental health cases, especially in young people. Most people are constantly bombarded with bad news and compare themselves to the best parts of other people’s lives
After having a particular bad experience with services over a three week period I phoned a local charity and asked them two questions ...
"Is this typical, or am I just being unlucky, is this really how things are now?" they said "this is typical"
"If I complain, would things get better ... or would I get labelled as a 'trouble maker' and probably get an even worst service?" they said "probably the later" (you would get an even worst service)
... for many years I have known that its hard to get help. Now I am done with them all. There simply is no point trying to get a useable service out of them. The phrase "not fit for purpose" comes to mind.
But I think it goes deeper than even that.
I am now 59 years old. I have been seeing for more than 40 years a difference between "professionals" and "Joe Public" (normal people). It is clear to me that something happens to the professionals that alters them. Most (not 100% but close) do not seem to be human anymore. How they think, how they react, how they respond to people just doesn't seem to show any basic understanding, empathy or caring ... its like its all been trained out of them. This is much more than "burn out" "developing a thick skin", I think its how they are trained.
I feel I have wasted 40 years of my life asking for help from the wrong people. I also think than many of my problems are actually being caused by those people.
I am fully aware of the need to take "personal responsibility" and not expect others to "support" me. I feel I do the best I can.
We all have moments when we need help, when we simply cannot do it all on our own.
I am also aware of how interconnected we all are, that none of us are an "island" and that we all rely on each other all the time. (where do you get your food from, where does electricity come from, where does water in the tap come from and so on)
So what will I do now I have decided to not knock on the door of mental health services? I don't know.
The UK is doomed, I'm quite fortunate in terms of my job/pay for my age(engineer and do 50-60hrs a week) and have been religiously saving 60-80% of my income (after tax and bills) since 18, but the majority of my friends (of whom have better jobs than their parents had at 23) will never be able to own their own property, and a few will never have enough money to support themselves let alone start a family securely. This and the massive increase in immigration have caused all the services to collapse and social cohesion to be at the worst point in the majority of people's lifetimes. The transfer of wealth in the last 25 years has been insane and no matter who is in power this will get worse and worse. The UK is doomed and that's why most people my age are depressed...
My mental health problems started with workplace bullying.
My wife suffers from Generalized anxiety disorder and emotionally unstable personally disorder. Apart from a little cbt she hasn't had much help ...
As her carer, with a child with Asbergers and another son who is trans I suffer really bad from emotional fatigue and get no support, especially as we moved away from family for work when we were younger.
ADHD was not a good exemplar. It may be diagnosed by MH services, but it is not a MH condition.
Mental health disorder, comorbid .
You've got a society that is directed against its people's flourishing while hailing them for constant fealty. That'll do some damage.
Long Covid is being COMPLETELY ignored. In 2022 I decided to study psychology and retrain to be a counsellor. I was a key worker during the pandemic (non-medical), and although I followed every precaution and got vaccinated and boosted, many of the people around me didn't bother so from March 2020 to March/May 2022 I had 4 infections confirmed by lat. flow and PCR tests (there might've been more). In June 2022 I collapsed at work, had to leave my psychology course and my desire to help people, and for two years I have almost become a shut-in. There is little to no support in my area, any long covid clinics that were available have now been closed and while the funding is there, it is not being spent. My mental health is shot to hell (I've had to access emergency mental health care a number of times). I am in my 30's, I had been physically fit and travelled the world, but now I am physically and mentally impaired. I've been waiting since March 2023 to access healthcare, treatment of any kind or benefits... and I'm still waiting. Reinfections will keep happening, and more people WILL get Long Covid. This is a mass international disabling event (not an exaggeration) and it is being COMPLETELY ignored or minimised because it has yet to effect those with power, money and influence.
Reminder ADHD isnt a mental health condition its neurological
Is that distinction helpful for you? For me not so much.
@@Zen-rd9np Yes.
@@samsniper2000 awesome, glad it helps 🙂
Isn’t ADHD a really unhelpful made up diagnosis to put people in a box so they can constantly call in sick and not have to perform to the expected standards required for any given job? I’d argue ADHD has a lot to answer for in terms of our financial woes as a country.
As someone with ADHD, I can tell you it affects your mental health too.
There is also an increase in demand simply because mental health is less taboo and more widely recognized as a health issue. So people don't feel ashamed anymore to ask for help.
Surely nothing to do with the fact that say in Australia, an entry level clinical psychologist gets paid 25% more. In fact, this is more as Australia has at least 11% **ON TOP** of wages towards your pension, while in the UK it is -2% (minimum of 8%, with minimum 3% by the employer). Factoring in this, it makes it 42.25% more. For a FY1 junior doctor, it is 59%, nurses 56%. Not typos. Why bother working in the UK when you have more money and sun Down Under? And we don't have the Tories trying to steal it for London Finance with proposed reforms that would never fly in Australia either. In fact, our former right wing government **increased** regulation of the sector. - That legacy of the Tories and their wage suppression once again UK.
Cost of living is the answer
When a UK Worker earns about £1,700 a month after Tax.
Then he pays his £800 Rent,...leaving him £900 to last a Month.
Then he pays £120 Council Tax / Utilities £170 / Food £100 a person / £150 for Transport / £25 phone / £20 internet / Eating out £40,.... leaving just £275 to survive the WHOLE Month.
1 Emergency can push the person to Mental Breakdown.
Council tax is usualy higher that that too unless your living in the lowest band housing.