Mr. Redwing is impressive. He taught some big stars. In this appearance, he alludes to the "sale" of Manhattan Island by "another tribe" and that the island wasn't theirs to sell, as no one owned it. He also points out that "Hollywood" villified Indigenous Americans and cast non-Indigenous people in their roles. He does all this with gentility and poise.
I saw Patrice Munsel in concert in the mid 1970’s, when I was a high school student. I still remember her beautiful voice and how entertaining she was.
Before becoming a congressman Jimmy Roosevelt was second in Command of the elite U.S. 2nd Marine Raider Battalion (a.k.a. Carlson's Raiders) under Evans Carlson during WWII, serving in several Marine campaigns including the battalion's first offensive action, the Makin Island Raid in August 1942. As suggested by his banter (e.g. re: sea bags etc.), Jonathan Winters was also a leatherneck.
sorry to be so offtopic but does anybody know a trick to get back into an instagram account..? I was dumb forgot my account password. I would love any tips you can offer me.
The little puppy was adorable at the end of Miss Munsel's segment, "talking" and licking her face. A born performer: the goings on, audience applause and the bright lights didn't faze one bit.
This show is a time capsule in so many ways. We see the gracious manners that seem to have gone the way of the wooly mammoth. We also see famous people being themselves instead of playing roles. We even see people who were famous at the time but who have been largely forgotten Patrice Munsel is a good example. Heck, how many people would remember John, Arlene, Dorothy, and Bennett if it were not for this show? Perhaps most interesting are the snippets of the parts of the culture of those days that have gone by the wayside, such as occupations that no longer exist and attitudes that were prevalent then but not even remotely acceptable now. What a fascinating glimpse into the past. Younger folks might find the address given at the end for prospective contestants strange: New York 22, New York. In 1958 ZIP codes had not yet been devised. Instead, the post offices in bigger cities were numbered.
I'm 28 from the UK I have been watching What's My Line for a few years now as i stumbled by it by chance, I think the first one i watched was the Elenor Roosevelt show. I absolutely love watching this show it is hard to think that most people I watch on this show are now gone. I love the way life seemed to be back then I know they had social issues just as we have and things were not as open as they are now. This is me saying goodnight to you all :)
What could be worse manners than Winter lighting a cancer stick! Wouldn’t you join me in gladly trading mid-century graciousness for less second and third hand smoke?
To all Mystery Science Theater fans, Rodd Redwing also played "Nazar," or, as the riffers call him, "King Crownroast" in "The Mole People." He uses that rich voice in that role too, which causes MST to make a joke about "The Monster Mash."
There are historic events behind Bennett's introduction of John Daly. At 1:43, Bennett says, "Our panel moderator, who gets around the world as fast and as often, almost, as the Explorer, or Uncle Samnik." The previous year, on October 4, 1957, the Soviet Union had put Earth's first artificial satellite, Sputnik 1, into orbit. They followed that achievement by putting Sputnik 2 into orbit on November 3, 1957. Sputnik 2 carried a dog, Laika. Some Americans called it "Muttnik" (this joke only made sense if they mispronounced "Sputnik". It is pronounced "spoot-nik"). The United States rushed to catch up, and on December 6, 1957, it launched the Vanguard TV-3 rocket with the Vanguard 1A satellite aboard. That launch was a humiliating failure in front of the world's press. Finally, on January 31, 1958, the U.S. launched a Jupiter-C rocket carrying the Explorer 1 satellite into orbit. Explorer I was the first satellite to detect the Van Allen Belt. This is the Explorer that Bennett refers to. I was seven years old at the time, and I remember "Muttnik", but I don't remember "Uncle Samnik". This history is also reflected in an episode of the British version of "What's My Line?" which is available on RUclips. The episode aired a day or two after Sputnik I was launched, and one of the panelists alluded to this satellite.
It's not often I can say this about these WML mystery guests, but I had never heard of Patrice Munsel. I had to research who she was. Her TV variety show was only on for one season (1957-58).
I was a chid of the 60's, and was able to catch the tail end (and remember!) these awesome WMLs moderated by Mr. John Charles Daly. I remember learning how to sit, "Indian Style" in grade school, and how to greet everyone with my raised open right hand and say, "How!," around Thanksgiving. We didn't know better! I watched this today and squirmed and grimaced with what the PCers would not call PC!!! Especially Jonathan Winters' disparaging foibles delivered with an attempt of humor - he is lucky Mr. Redwing didn't "Plug" him!
Jonathan Winters was part native american himself, so the "How" could have been a joke to share with Redwing. He used to say "I only have a little indian blood - if I cut my finger, I'm out of the tribe!"
I have a happy memory of seeing Patrice Munsel in a musical review called "Tintypes," in (I believe) November 1983. Miss Munsel was quite lovely and sang in a clear, strong and steady voice. At that time I (being in my early twenties) did not know who she was. Earlier, during my workday, I had won two tickets to the show (in an office contest drawing) and invited my mother along - Mom was excited and said she greatly recalled Patrice and would be happy to see the show. While Mom clearly recalled Patrice's singing career, she also told me another interesting tid-bit - "Patrice" had once been married to that bad-boy of Hollywood, Errol Flynn! I was surprised by this news (I knew who Errol Flynn was!) and it was some years later, when I realized that Mom had been mistaken - she was thinking of another "Patrice" - Patrice Wymore (who was married to Mr. Flynn at the time of his death in 1959). Oh well Mom, it happens to the best of us!
Rodd Redwing was an Indian.....but from India, not the American West. I checked WIKI because he doesn't look like any American Indian. Wiki states - "He claimed to be Native American, although in the 1940 United States Census, his birthplace was listed as India and some sources reported his real name was Roderick Rajpurkaii Jr."
Actually, Wiki now says this : "Though he presented himself as Chickasaw Native American, he was actually African American without any known Indigenous ancestry, a fact not widely revealed until after his death." That's a long way from what Wiki said 3 years ago. More reason not to rely on Wiki, I think.
Because I had to look him up: Bob Schuler (who is mentioned at about 21:20) was a writer, producer (TV and a play), bit-part actor, advertising exec, public relations person, and Munsel's husband of 55 years. Died in 2007. I conclude Mr. Theobald probably died in 1982, but I can't otherwise find much on him.
Jimmy R gave his $50 to JCRS Hospital in Denver (now Lakewood). The trivia question for newbies is, what does it stand for ? Jewish Consumptive Relief Society.
So many great plays and movies that are mention on this show. Sad that we, the younger generation in the arts and movie have never herd of or will never see.
Were Native Americans discouraged from applying for Screen Actor's Guild cards back then, was it just that very few were interested in becoming actors, or were producers forced to not to offer parts to the ones who did belong to the studios?
Jay Silverheels (birth name Harold J. Smith) was the one who experienced first hand what it meant to be a Native American in Hollywood. His major roles were Tonto in "Lone Ranger" in which he was little more than a lackey, and Geronimo. He later campaigned for more recognition and respect for Native Americans, both in movies and in real life. Sadly, this is still far from remedied today.
It's not similar to blackface. Blackface was used with a particular style of musical entertainment. Some believe it was a tribute to black Americans, but most today find it highly insulting. However, white actors did not wear blackface to play black roles in films. African Americans were used in films, even though their roles were generally demeaning.
Fun episode. Rodd Redwing seemed like a really interesting gentleman. I always appreciate touches of diversity on these shows. I love Jonathan Winters but had to cringe a little at his Indian jokes... I'd love to have that last guy's job. :-) Lyons tea is still around today, I believe.
Lyons Tea is only around these days in Ireland, and has but a tenuous connection with the now defunct original company, which was once a British institution. It ran a chain of 'Corner House' tearooms, and was, rather unexpectedly, a pioneer in business computing. Margaret Thatcher worked for the firm before going into politics, and celebrity cook Nigella Lawson is a descendant of one of the original partners.
It's not good when the panelists know the Mystery Guest, especially ones they're chummy with. "Have I spoken to you in the last week?" Not much mystery.
Believe it or not, this episode of WHAT'S MY LINE? aired just 5 days after Patrice Munsel's last-ever performance at the Metropolitan Opera, on 28 January 1958, singing the title role in Offenbach's LA PERICHOLE (in English), co-starring Cyril Ritchard (who had been the Mystery Guest on the 22 December 1957 episode of WHAT'S MY LINE?) and Theodor Uppman, and conducted by Jean Morel. On 25 February 1958, she appeared as a guest panelist on another Goodson-Todman show, TO TELL THE TRUTH. She also finished out her one season as hostess and performer on THE PATRICE MUNSEL SHOW on ABC (produced by her husband, Robert C. Schuler; the 35th and final episode aired on 13 June 1958). And thereafter, she settled down to raising a family, making occasional guest appearances on various variety shows, musical shows, and talk shows (and one appearance as a celebrity guest on I'VE GOT A SECRET in 1961) - and even two guest-star performances on dramatic series (CHECKMATE in 1961 and THE WILD, WILD WEST in 1969). She also appeared in a number of Broadway shows and revivals over the years - and, of course, she made those "Sing Around The Campfire" commercials for Camp Fire Girls in the mid-1960s.....
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Jonathan Winters, wonderfully funny in other contexts, but his discomfort with this format was indeed painful to watch. He was a fish out of water I think !
@@kristabrewer9363 it is still legal to smoke cigarettes at this time. As well as Marijuana Dope in most states. Seventy percent of Americans smoked in this era, including Daly on air. Idiot. Learn some history and social habits of history. I suppose it would be more acceptable if they were drinking, smoking Marijuana Dope and Quaalude like during the Seventies like The Match Game 1975.
For an educated man belonging to New York city's intelligentsia, Bennett, head of one of the biggest publishing companies of the time and man about town, could say some pretty stupid stuff.
I saw Patrice Munsel in a touring production of A Little Night Music back in the '80s. Wonderful, wonderful!! I even went to meet her back stage. Love JW but this type of show isn't for him, in my opinion.
Two things date this episode in the sense of showing how long ago it was made. Mr Winters smoking on TV and Mr Redwing being comfortable with being called an Indian. He would have been called a Native American recently and now perhaps a member of the First Nation - whatever is politically correct, he was never Indian!
Many people whom I call Native Americans call themselves Indians, especially in Southern California. That is their preferred term, but I have a hard time using it.
@@AdrianLopez-sb7eo If you follow the link in Wikipedia for this name you will find a newspaper article from 1949, talking about Rodd's Bengal father and Chickasaw mother. So the question is: Is the child of an Indian and a Native American an American Indian?
Red Wing (the song): The song has been recorded numerous times in many different styles. It was sung by John Wayne in the 1943 film In Old Oklahoma and again by John Wayne and Lee Marvin in the 1961 film The Comancheros and finally by John Wayne and Lauren Bacall in the 1976 film The Shootist.
You can find many earlier versions here on RUclips, including one from 1911 that is quite clear. I saw Mr. Redwing a few years later on the Johnny Carson Show. He said he was half Cherokee and half Chickasaw and that the song had been written in honor of his mother.
@@susiegardener Mr Redwing lied about being "half Cherokee and half Chickasaw". As I pointed out in an earlier Comment, he was born in India and his real name was most likely Roderick Rajpurkaii Jr." He wasn't alone among Hollywood 'Indians'. Iron Eyes Cody who appeared in dozens of Westerns as an American Indian, and claimed to be an American Indian, was actually a Sicilian. However, regarding Redwing, Wiki also adds, "Some sources reported that he used the Hindi-sounding name Roderick Rajpurkaii, Jr., and said his father was a Brahmin mind reader from India.". THANKS Wiki, you're a great help !! UPDATE : Wiki now says, "Though he presented himself as Chickasaw Native American, he was actually African American without any known Indigenous ancestry, a fact not widely revealed until after his death. Redwing was born Webb Richardson on August 24, 1904, to Black parents in Tennessee. His father, Ulysses William Richardson (b. 1873), was an elevator man. His mother, Lillian Webb (b. 1878), was a manicurist and hairdresser"
I love this show because of the historical value but it's like watching a bunch of rich people who all know each other, at a dinner party playing "rich people games" like charades!
Criticize Jonathan Winters all you want, but unlike nearly all performers he was married to only one woman. And, BTW, he made the audience laugh several times.
Its interesting to check out the Names that appear who are no longer so well known or remembered, like discovering Classics. How did we get to the current condition of 'talent'? Back then you had to have Talent. Today you just have to be vulgar to get in the media. Dumbed down talent. Tech has advanced, Talent has receded.
Unfortunately, you perceive this from a 21st centuryPOLITICAL CORRECTNESS point of view. Back in his heyday, one of Jonathan's comedy routines was as an Indian chieftain. He was merely using a tool for him to ease the awkwardness he felt as a WML panelist.
If you listen to the voice of Jonathan Winters, he sounded like Johnny Carson. 😄 For someone who thought so highly of himself, Bennett sure had trouble pronouncing words that began with the letter "R". He said "Wed Wing" and "mawdahwaydah" for "moderator, and "dwink" for "drink".😁
It is noteworthy, that although the audience, John, and the panel treated people from different countries and with different colours of skin very respectfully, there were no "normal" people of colour. They were almost every time celebrities. Viewing this you get a picture of the US that normal black people didn't work, or that they were not allowed in the studio, or that they did not want to go to the studio. Also I think that a tv set was a luxury product then, and black people earned in average much less than white, so maybe there were not so many black viewers at home even? So they did not even know that there is a possibility to apply for the show?
James Roosevelt: Dorothy knows EVERYONE in politics! Teaches "Gun Play" To Movie Cowboys: Interesting profession. Alec Baldwin could have used his services! He stumped them. I don't think Jonathan Winters could get away with the stereotypic "Indian Lingo" today as it would be considered offensive. Patrice Munsel: Dorothy does it again. Tea Taster: Ran out of time before they figured him out.
Quite the contradiction in Miss Munsel's glamorous appearance and her ' down - home ' good-natured demeanor : I mean, she showed up and I was all " dubbyaa tee eff " at her .... er, at her mise en scene, there. ( I think she'd appreciate my usage. )
It cracks me up, when it isn't making me angry. John was a good moderator, but totally in love with himself and always self-promoting. When Arlene asks about the adorable dog and the camera does a close-up of it, John photo-bombs the shot by putting his hand in the shot with the dog and Miss Munsel and stating that he still has all his fingers. He just has to turn almost everything onto himself. And then when he does compliment people, it is so fake, so phony that he almost always tells them they are the best ever and no one has deserved their success more and I need a barf bag then.
Lots of panelists have smoked during the show. Seems like there was less smoking as the show went on, but even John Daly smoked during the show in the early years. It's odd that the celebrities that did smoke couldn't wait 30 minutes for the show to be completed before smoking, but back in those days nobody thought much of it.
gorgeouss79 -- [Jon]athan Winters was one of the rare smokers by 1958. But in the earlier years, John Daly would smoke at the moderator's desk, and many panelists smoked, too. I was shocked, in fact, in one of the earliest shows when Arlene, of all people, lit a cigarette and smoked it. There were mystery guests who smoked. Oscar Levant, replete with strange and nervous tics he couldn't control and you couldn't help but notice, smoked like a chimney as a mystery guest. A couple of people smoked cigars as mystery guests and Ernie Kovacs (I think it was) ran up to the panelists a couple of times and blew cigar smoke at them to try to give them a clue, albeit an obnoxious one. I always find it mildly shocking when I watch an episode of WML and people are smoking, but I'm reminded it was mostly before the widely publicized study demonstrating that smoking caused lung cancer and warnings on cigarette packs to that effect. Cigarettes were routinely advertised on TV back then, and WML even had such a sponsor at one point -- was it Kool cigarettes? -- I'm not entirely certain which brand it was. The world has certainly changed a lot since WML was on the air.
ToddSF 94109 It might have been Salem. One of the episodes that +What's My Line? was able to find with original commercials (GSN replaced the episodes' original commercials with "modern" ones when these shows were first aired again in the 90's) had Salem commercials during the break, but I haven't seen Salem as a "main" sponsor.
Really have to take exception with you not considering Jonathan Winters to be funny. I think most would consider him to be a comic genius. His improvisational comedy was unmatched. He was also a mentor to Robin Williams and even appeared as a semi-regular on Mork and Mindy, playing his father.
@@willen2416 I regarded Robin Williams as a very good dramatic actor, but an unfunny comic. Ernie Kovacs is another example of an American comic who left me cold.
@@Baskerville22 To me, Robin Williams was smart, hyper, and at times hilarious. See his bit about golfers. But he had a really dark side. I had a friend who was a driver for the studios in Burbank and he said that one day on the set when filming was over that Robin started "entertaining" the crew. The humor was so dark, about death, that everyone was uneasy and thought it was weird.
@@accomplice55 I sincerely hope that the recent revolting and evil labelling everything in Anglosphere (wrongly) as racism will be laughed at in future - so far it is at least laughed at in the rest of the world.
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Mr. Redwing is impressive. He taught some big stars. In this appearance, he alludes to the "sale" of Manhattan Island by "another tribe" and that the island wasn't theirs to sell, as no one owned it. He also points out that "Hollywood" villified Indigenous Americans and cast non-Indigenous people in their roles. He does all this with gentility and poise.
Such a pleasure to watch TRUE stars.
Simply love this wonderful program
i'm 83 and i always go to bed with a smile on my face after this wonderful show. nothing like it now. cheers from Oviedo Spain
I saw Patrice Munsel in concert in the mid 1970’s, when I was a high school student. I still remember her beautiful voice and how entertaining she was.
Before becoming a congressman Jimmy Roosevelt was second in Command of the elite U.S. 2nd Marine Raider Battalion (a.k.a. Carlson's Raiders) under Evans Carlson during WWII, serving in several Marine campaigns including the battalion's first offensive action, the Makin Island Raid in August 1942. As suggested by his banter (e.g. re: sea bags etc.), Jonathan Winters was also a leatherneck.
Makes me think the Marines are everywhere. I even married one of them.
sorry to be so offtopic but does anybody know a trick to get back into an instagram account..?
I was dumb forgot my account password. I would love any tips you can offer me.
@Bodie Zeke Instablaster :)
@@bodiezeke9848 I don’t use Instagram, but doesn’t the login page have a “forgot password” link? Most login pages do.
This one is from one day after I was born
Happy birthday 😊
The little puppy was adorable at the end of Miss Munsel's segment, "talking" and licking her face. A born performer: the goings on, audience applause and the bright lights didn't faze one bit.
Her hat had a top that looked like her little dog’s fur! Shades of Cruella De Ville!
WML already gives me serotonin, I get extra with the puppy!
This show is a time capsule in so many ways. We see the gracious manners that seem to have gone the way of the wooly mammoth. We also see famous people being themselves instead of playing roles. We even see people who were famous at the time but who have been largely forgotten Patrice Munsel is a good example. Heck, how many people would remember John, Arlene, Dorothy, and Bennett if it were not for this show?
Perhaps most interesting are the snippets of the parts of the culture of those days that have gone by the wayside, such as occupations that no longer exist and attitudes that were prevalent then but not even remotely acceptable now. What a fascinating glimpse into the past.
Younger folks might find the address given at the end for prospective contestants strange: New York 22, New York. In 1958 ZIP codes had not yet been devised. Instead, the post offices in bigger cities were numbered.
Well said.
I FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME.!
I'm 28 from the UK I have been watching What's My Line for a few years now as i stumbled by it by chance, I think the first one i watched was the Elenor Roosevelt show.
I absolutely love watching this show it is hard to think that most people I watch on this show are now gone.
I love the way life seemed to be back then I know they had social issues just as we have and things were not as open as they are now.
This is me saying goodnight to you all :)
What could be worse manners than Winter lighting a cancer stick! Wouldn’t you join me in gladly trading mid-century graciousness for less second and third hand smoke?
@@igkoigko9950: It's not an all-or-nothing proposal. Manners: good. Smoking: bad. But they didn't know it yet.
Mr Redwing not only taught but demonstrated his skill.
To all Mystery Science Theater fans, Rodd Redwing also played "Nazar," or, as the riffers call him, "King Crownroast" in "The Mole People." He uses that rich voice in that role too, which causes MST to make a joke about "The Monster Mash."
There are historic events behind Bennett's introduction of John Daly. At 1:43, Bennett says, "Our panel moderator, who gets around the world as fast and as often, almost, as the Explorer, or Uncle Samnik." The previous year, on October 4, 1957, the Soviet Union had put Earth's first artificial satellite, Sputnik 1, into orbit. They followed that achievement by putting Sputnik 2 into orbit on November 3, 1957. Sputnik 2 carried a dog, Laika. Some Americans called it "Muttnik" (this joke only made sense if they mispronounced "Sputnik". It is pronounced "spoot-nik"). The United States rushed to catch up, and on December 6, 1957, it launched the Vanguard TV-3 rocket with the Vanguard 1A satellite aboard. That launch was a humiliating failure in front of the world's press. Finally, on January 31, 1958, the U.S. launched a Jupiter-C rocket carrying the Explorer 1 satellite into orbit. Explorer I was the first satellite to detect the Van Allen Belt. This is the Explorer that Bennett refers to. I was seven years old at the time, and I remember "Muttnik", but I don't remember "Uncle Samnik". This history is also reflected in an episode of the British version of "What's My Line?" which is available on RUclips. The episode aired a day or two after Sputnik I was launched, and one of the panelists alluded to this satellite.
Interesting. Thanks for that.
It's not often I can say this about these WML mystery guests, but I had never heard of Patrice Munsel. I had to research who she was. Her TV variety show was only on for one season (1957-58).
Well, she was best known for opera so that pretty much explains it.
This was the day I was born
Patrice Munsel had made her final appearance at the Metropolitan Opera that very week!
Ive remembered the panel from 1950 to 67😊
Mr Redwing had a beautiful voice.
Baskerville Bee ~ I agree!!!
Agree!
One of the only, if not THE only, MGs from my neck of the woods....Spokane, WA
I was a chid of the 60's, and was able to catch the tail end (and remember!) these awesome WMLs moderated by Mr. John Charles Daly. I remember learning how to sit, "Indian Style" in grade school, and how to greet everyone with my raised open right hand and say, "How!," around Thanksgiving. We didn't know better! I watched this today and squirmed and grimaced with what the PCers would not call PC!!! Especially Jonathan Winters' disparaging foibles delivered with an attempt of humor - he is lucky Mr. Redwing didn't "Plug" him!
Jonathan Winters was part native american himself, so the "How" could have been a joke to share with Redwing. He used to say "I only have a little indian blood - if I cut my finger, I'm out of the tribe!"
@@brucebennett8307 That's funny.
You knew just fine, life is so uptight. Laugh, rib people and have a joyful life. smile
@@brucebennett8307 How, Redskin🤣
Agreed. Through our collective education, we've come to realize how the racial humour we as settlers once enjoyed affected those who it targeted.
First time I've seen a mystery guest whom I've never heard of.
it's okay, Patrice Munsel lived her entire long life without ever hearing of you
@@Marcel_Audubon😮
I saw Miss Munsel in the national tour of the Lincoln Center Musical Theatre production of "The Merry Widow" many years ago.
One of the few times the mystery guest is from the world of opera. I wish they had more. "Do you sing?" No kidding.
Too bad they didn't let her sing a few bars from La Boheme.
I have a happy memory of seeing Patrice Munsel in a musical review called "Tintypes," in (I believe) November 1983. Miss Munsel was quite lovely and sang in a clear, strong and steady voice. At that time I (being in my early twenties) did not know who she was. Earlier, during my workday, I had won two tickets to the show (in an office contest drawing) and invited my mother along - Mom was excited and said she greatly recalled Patrice and would be happy to see the show. While Mom clearly recalled Patrice's singing career, she also told me another interesting tid-bit - "Patrice" had once been married to that bad-boy of Hollywood, Errol Flynn! I was surprised by this news (I knew who Errol Flynn was!) and it was some years later, when I realized that Mom had been mistaken - she was thinking of another "Patrice" - Patrice Wymore (who was married to Mr. Flynn at the time of his death in 1959). Oh well Mom, it happens to the best of us!
I remember Patrice Munsel from the Camp Fire Girls commercials.
Sing around the campfire. Join the Campfire Girls. Sing Wo-He-Lo, sing Wo-He-Lo. Work-Health-Love.
Rodd Redwing was an Indian.....but from India, not the American West. I checked WIKI because he doesn't look like any American Indian. Wiki states - "He claimed to be Native American, although in the 1940 United States Census, his birthplace was listed as India and some sources reported his real name was Roderick Rajpurkaii Jr."
According to Wikipedia, he was born Webb Richardson in Tennessee, and was African-American.
Actually, Wiki now says this : "Though he presented himself as Chickasaw Native American, he was actually African American without any known Indigenous ancestry, a fact not widely revealed until after his death."
That's a long way from what Wiki said 3 years ago. More reason not to rely on Wiki, I think.
@@Baskerville22He was most definitely of native American Indian ancestry
Because I had to look him up: Bob Schuler (who is mentioned at about 21:20) was a writer, producer (TV and a play), bit-part actor, advertising exec, public relations person, and Munsel's husband of 55 years. Died in 2007.
I conclude Mr. Theobald probably died in 1982, but I can't otherwise find much on him.
A strange interesting link to a past time.
Patrice Munsel died August 4, 2016, at the age of 91.
Miss Munsel's bangs were called spit curls, but not meant literally.
Baskerville Bee - Maybe they were called spit curls because they were held in place by spit?
@@shirleyrombough8173: That's correct.
Jimmy R gave his $50 to JCRS Hospital in Denver (now Lakewood). The trivia question for newbies is, what does it stand for ? Jewish Consumptive Relief Society.
BTW, all Celebrity Mystery Guests were paid $500 - most often donated to a charity. WML certainly made it worth their while!
A tuberculosis hospital?
Yes. 150 years ago Consumption was the common name for TB.
If you aren't looking, Jonathan Winters sounds like Johnny Carson.
You are so right!
Agree!
James ROOSEVELT,. DOES HAVE A SMILE VERY SIMILAR TO HIS FATHER'S, PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT.
So many great plays and movies that are mention on this show. Sad that we, the younger generation in the arts and movie have never herd of or will never see.
Patrice Munsel recordings are still available. Opera and classical music lovers have long memories.
Each generation contributes its own. I doubt most of us could say who were the "celebrities" of their era. Doesn't seem too sad. Just pretty normal.
@edwinrivera8449 *heard 🙂
Utube has a large selection of movies😊
Interesting comment by Mr. Redwing that Hollywood doesn't use real Indians for Indian roles. Simlar to black face.
Were Native Americans discouraged from applying for Screen Actor's Guild cards back then, was it just that very few were interested in becoming actors, or were producers forced to not to offer parts to the ones who did belong to the studios?
Jay Silverheels (birth name Harold J. Smith) was the one who experienced first hand what it meant to be a Native American in Hollywood. His major roles were Tonto in "Lone Ranger" in which he was little more than a lackey, and Geronimo. He later campaigned for more recognition and respect for Native Americans, both in movies and in real life. Sadly, this is still far from remedied today.
It's not similar to blackface. Blackface was used with a particular style of musical entertainment. Some believe it was a tribute to black Americans, but most today find it highly insulting. However, white actors did not wear blackface to play black roles in films. African Americans were used in films, even though their roles were generally demeaning.
Fun episode. Rodd Redwing seemed like a really interesting gentleman. I always appreciate touches of diversity on these shows. I love Jonathan Winters but had to cringe a little at his Indian jokes...
I'd love to have that last guy's job. :-) Lyons tea is still around today, I believe.
Lyons Tea is only around these days in Ireland, and has but a tenuous connection with the now defunct original company, which was once a British institution. It ran a chain of 'Corner House' tearooms, and was, rather unexpectedly, a pioneer in business computing. Margaret Thatcher worked for the firm before going into politics, and celebrity cook Nigella Lawson is a descendant of one of the original partners.
I was hoping to hear Bennett say "Wodd Wedwing." Well, he did say "Mistew Wedwing" a couple of times anyway.
"Touches of diversity"??? Normal people would say "different racial backgrounds".
@@stephensaunders1845 the restaurant company (which had tea rooms) and the tea company are distinct entities
@@CamhiRichard I was waiting for it too. The first time was "Mistew Wedring" which was even better!
It's not good when the panelists know the Mystery Guest, especially ones they're chummy with. "Have I spoken to you in the last week?" Not much mystery.
The video before this one the panelist didn't guess their own agents😂
1958 was the BEST year for Dorothy’s hairstyle and general appearance
Believe it or not, this episode of WHAT'S MY LINE? aired just 5 days after Patrice Munsel's last-ever performance at the Metropolitan Opera, on 28 January 1958, singing the title role in Offenbach's LA PERICHOLE (in English), co-starring Cyril Ritchard (who had been the Mystery Guest on the 22 December 1957 episode of WHAT'S MY LINE?) and Theodor Uppman, and conducted by Jean Morel.
On 25 February 1958, she appeared as a guest panelist on another Goodson-Todman show, TO TELL THE TRUTH. She also finished out her one season as hostess and performer on THE PATRICE MUNSEL SHOW on ABC (produced by her husband, Robert C. Schuler; the 35th and final episode aired on 13 June 1958).
And thereafter, she settled down to raising a family, making occasional guest appearances on various variety shows, musical shows, and talk shows (and one appearance as a celebrity guest on I'VE GOT A SECRET in 1961) - and even two guest-star performances on dramatic series (CHECKMATE in 1961 and THE WILD, WILD WEST in 1969). She also appeared in a number of Broadway shows and revivals over the years - and, of course, she made those "Sing Around The Campfire" commercials for Camp Fire Girls in the mid-1960s.....
And, by the way, Patrice Munsel is still alive. God willing, she will turn 89 years old on 14 May.
Very informative thank you very much.
jmccracken1963 - Did anyone notice the slight smile on Dorothy's face when Patrice Munsel confirmed that she sang for the Metropolitan Opera?
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Patrice Munsel was originally from Spokane, WA
Winters was awkward. Cute puppy!
Love the Roosevelt family
Jonathan Winters, wonderfully funny in other contexts, but his discomfort with this format was indeed painful to watch. He was a fish out of water I think !
I didn't like him..... mainly because he lit up one of those stupid cigarettes
@@kristabrewer9363: It's not fair to judge 1958 people by 21st-century standards.
@@kristabrewer9363 it is still legal to smoke cigarettes at this time. As well as Marijuana Dope in most states. Seventy percent of Americans smoked in this era, including Daly on air. Idiot. Learn some history and social habits of history. I suppose it would be more acceptable if they were drinking, smoking Marijuana Dope and Quaalude like during the Seventies like The Match Game 1975.
Exactly 😊
@@accomplice55Exactly 😊
🤣🤣🤣 Does Bennett make an awkward remark in EVERY episode?
Pretty much.
Yes!
For an educated man belonging to New York city's intelligentsia, Bennett, head of one of the biggest publishing companies of the time and man about town, could say some pretty stupid stuff.
I saw Patrice Munsel in a touring production of A Little Night Music back in the '80s. Wonderful, wonderful!! I even went to meet her back stage.
Love JW but this type of show isn't for him, in my opinion.
Lucky you to have met Madame Munsel.
Not his forte, just filling in😊
Two things date this episode in the sense of showing how long ago it was made. Mr Winters smoking on TV and Mr Redwing being comfortable with being called an Indian. He would have been called a Native American recently and now perhaps a member of the First Nation - whatever is politically correct, he was never Indian!
Why the USA gives a holiday to a man, who thought he was in India, (Colubus)I'll never understand?
@@larrygrebler5054 Of course, Christopher Columbus never landed in a territory that is now a part of the United States.
Many people whom I call Native Americans call themselves Indians, especially in Southern California. That is their preferred term, but I have a hard time using it.
Interestingly, according to Wikipedia Rodd Redwing was born Roderick Rajpurkaii Jr. and wasn't native Native American but Indian (from India).
@@AdrianLopez-sb7eo If you follow the link in Wikipedia for this name you will find a newspaper article from 1949, talking about Rodd's Bengal father and Chickasaw mother.
So the question is: Is the child of an Indian and a Native American an American Indian?
Red Wing (the song):
The song has been recorded numerous times in many different styles. It was sung by John Wayne in the 1943 film In Old Oklahoma and again by John Wayne and Lee Marvin in the 1961 film The Comancheros and finally by John Wayne and Lauren Bacall in the 1976 film The Shootist.
You can find many earlier versions here on RUclips, including one from 1911 that is quite clear. I saw Mr. Redwing a few years later on the Johnny Carson Show. He said he was half Cherokee and half Chickasaw and that the song had been written in honor of his mother.
@@susiegardener Mr Redwing lied about being "half Cherokee and half Chickasaw". As I pointed out in an earlier Comment, he was born in India and his real name was most likely Roderick Rajpurkaii Jr." He wasn't alone among Hollywood 'Indians'. Iron Eyes Cody who appeared in dozens of Westerns as an American Indian, and claimed to be an American Indian, was actually a Sicilian.
However, regarding Redwing, Wiki also adds, "Some sources reported that he used the Hindi-sounding name Roderick Rajpurkaii, Jr., and said his father was a Brahmin mind reader from India.". THANKS Wiki, you're a great help !!
UPDATE : Wiki now says, "Though he presented himself as Chickasaw Native American, he was actually African American without any known Indigenous ancestry, a fact not widely revealed until after his death. Redwing was born Webb Richardson on August 24, 1904, to Black parents in Tennessee. His father, Ulysses William Richardson (b. 1873), was an elevator man. His mother, Lillian Webb (b. 1878), was a manicurist and hairdresser"
@@Baskerville22 Good catch. Don't like fakes.
Nice to see namesake Another was actress Patrice Wymore married Errol Flynn Like WML
Yes, Winters was awkward. So what does he do? He exaggerates his awkwardness and was funny as can be.
Couldn't get away with that disrespect today.
Disrespect.? Check your heart
If your mentioning smoking cigarettes it was acceptable everywhere!
I didn't think the Roosevelt boys were so follically challenged.
You mean like bald, honey?
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The father had polio😢
I love this show because of the historical value but it's like watching a bunch of rich people who all know each other, at a dinner party playing "rich people games" like charades!
I'm a Jonathan Winters fan but he is SO not right for the panel.
Agree. He's the King of improvisational comedy, but being a WML panelist
is SO not his metier!
Exactly 😊
Criticize Jonathan Winters all you want, but unlike nearly all performers he was married to only one woman. And, BTW, he made the audience laugh several times.
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Jonathan Winters had trouble remembering anything. Poor panelist.
This wasn't his forte 😊
Its interesting to check out the Names that appear who are no longer so well known or remembered, like discovering Classics. How did we get to the current condition of 'talent'? Back then you had to have Talent. Today you just have to be vulgar to get in the media. Dumbed down talent. Tech has advanced, Talent has receded.
Exactly
When mr. Redwing went to shake hands with the panel, Jonathan Winters actually put his hand up and said "How." Not cool.
In those days it was.
Unfortunately, you perceive this from a 21st centuryPOLITICAL CORRECTNESS point of view. Back in his heyday, one of Jonathan's comedy routines was as an Indian chieftain. He was merely using a tool for him to ease the awkwardness he felt as a WML panelist.
At the time it was not meant offensively...
You must be one of those Social Justice Warrior idiots! The way you become indignant so easily makes me vomit.
Renata Ninetynine Remember the times. Remember every western movie and tv show demonstrated the same lack of respect.
0:37 Hal Simms is the announcer.
I don't understand why we should care
preppy socks you can say that about everything.
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If you listen to the voice of Jonathan Winters, he sounded like Johnny Carson. 😄 For someone who thought so highly of himself, Bennett sure had trouble pronouncing words that began with the letter "R". He said "Wed Wing" and "mawdahwaydah" for "moderator, and "dwink" for "drink".😁
A natural Elmer Fudd😂
Love this show. just wish they could have had Bing Crosby, Charlie Chaplin or Al Jolson(1950) as mystery guests.
Send a email complaint 😊
I found Jonathan Winters an awkward panel member. Clearly a panel game wasn’t conducive to his comedic skills.
Ya think😂
It is noteworthy, that although the audience, John, and the panel treated people from different countries and with different colours of skin very respectfully, there were no "normal" people of colour. They were almost every time celebrities.
Viewing this you get a picture of the US that normal black people didn't work, or that they were not allowed in the studio, or that they did not want to go to the studio.
Also I think that a tv set was a luxury product then, and black people earned in average much less than white, so maybe there were not so many black viewers at home even? So they did not even know that there is a possibility to apply for the show?
Numerous blacks were on this show!!😊
James Roosevelt: Dorothy knows EVERYONE in politics!
Teaches "Gun Play" To Movie Cowboys: Interesting profession. Alec Baldwin could have used his services! He stumped them. I don't think Jonathan Winters could get away with the stereotypic "Indian Lingo" today as it would be considered offensive.
Patrice Munsel: Dorothy does it again.
Tea Taster: Ran out of time before they figured him out.
Dorothy was a investigative reporter for years 😊
No political correctness in this episode.
It's not political correctness, it's respect. Thank goodness many of us don't do this today, and I am sorry if you think it is acceptable.
Jonathan C I was more appalled by this episode and glad that times have changed. I am sorry that you found my comment insensitive.
Lets ban political correctness
It's called tact and good manners.
Isn’t it Wonderful. Much, Much better
Quite the contradiction in Miss Munsel's glamorous appearance and her ' down - home ' good-natured demeanor : I mean, she showed up and I was all " dubbyaa tee eff " at her .... er, at her mise en scene, there. ( I think she'd appreciate my usage. )
Not all of us are as air-yoo-dite as you is, ;an we gots no idea what
choose talkin' about!
@@TheCometHunter😂
It cracks me up, when it isn't making me angry. John was a good moderator, but totally in love with himself and always self-promoting. When Arlene asks about the adorable dog and the camera does a close-up of it, John photo-bombs the shot by putting his hand in the shot with the dog and Miss Munsel and stating that he still has all his fingers. He just has to turn almost everything onto himself. And then when he does compliment people, it is so fake, so phony that he almost always tells them they are the best ever and no one has deserved their success more and I need a barf bag then.
Typical elites swooning over each other, like the Oscars.
Send a email complaint 😊
*_U.S. Congressman.......Teaches Gunplay To Movie Cowboys.......Tea Taster._*
Please go back to bed sir.
I appreciate what he is doing. I keep having to go back to remember what the line is. And I’m not the only one. Please keep your comments respectful.
Why is John (panelist) smoking ?? weird..
Lots of panelists have smoked during the show. Seems like there was less smoking as the show went on, but even John Daly smoked during the show in the early years. It's odd that the celebrities that did smoke couldn't wait 30 minutes for the show to be completed before smoking, but back in those days nobody thought much of it.
gorgeouss79 -- [Jon]athan Winters was one of the rare smokers by 1958. But in the earlier years, John Daly would smoke at the moderator's desk, and many panelists smoked, too. I was shocked, in fact, in one of the earliest shows when Arlene, of all people, lit a cigarette and smoked it. There were mystery guests who smoked. Oscar Levant, replete with strange and nervous tics he couldn't control and you couldn't help but notice, smoked like a chimney as a mystery guest. A couple of people smoked cigars as mystery guests and Ernie Kovacs (I think it was) ran up to the panelists a couple of times and blew cigar smoke at them to try to give them a clue, albeit an obnoxious one. I always find it mildly shocking when I watch an episode of WML and people are smoking, but I'm reminded it was mostly before the widely publicized study demonstrating that smoking caused lung cancer and warnings on cigarette packs to that effect. Cigarettes were routinely advertised on TV back then, and WML even had such a sponsor at one point -- was it Kool cigarettes? -- I'm not entirely certain which brand it was. The world has certainly changed a lot since WML was on the air.
ToddSF 94109 It might have been Salem. One of the episodes that +What's My Line? was able to find with original commercials (GSN replaced the episodes' original commercials with "modern" ones when these shows were first aired again in the 90's) had Salem commercials during the break, but I haven't seen Salem as a "main" sponsor.
It could very well have been Salem. I honestly don't remember which brand it was.
gorgeouss79 Whats so weird about it? It's the 1950's.
I never found Winters remotely funny. Seems to be a pattern with US comics.
Roosevelt won the Navy Cross & a Silver Star in WW2
Really have to take exception with you not considering Jonathan Winters to be funny. I think most would consider him to be a comic genius. His improvisational comedy was unmatched. He was also a mentor to Robin Williams and even appeared as a semi-regular on Mork and Mindy, playing his father.
@@willen2416 I regarded Robin Williams as a very good dramatic actor, but an unfunny comic. Ernie Kovacs is another example of an American comic who left me cold.
@@Baskerville22 To me, Robin Williams was smart, hyper, and at times hilarious. See his bit about golfers. But he had a really dark side. I had a friend who was a driver for the studios in Burbank and he said that one day on the set when filming was over that Robin started "entertaining" the crew. The humor was so dark, about death, that everyone was uneasy and thought it was weird.
Send a email complaint 😊
@@willen2416Exactly 😊
Ms. Munsel could not even say simple phrases in French. She started a few and then gave up.
She was disguising her voice😊
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I hate to say this but Bennett Cerfs nose looks fake
Weird comment.
Apparently, you didn't hate it enough to not say it. :)
You strange old bird
So. Racist.
Who Jonathan Winters? I don't like him.... mainly because he smoked
but as racist comments, Fred Allen did his share of that!
Total nonsense.
Sigh. We know that now. It makes us cringe now, as it should. But it was a different time.
@@accomplice55 I sincerely hope that the recent revolting and evil labelling everything in Anglosphere (wrongly) as racism will be laughed at in future - so far it is at least laughed at in the rest of the world.
@@accomplice55 wrong again
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Sorry, when I saw it was a politician and an opera singer, I'm outta hear.
But. . . but. . . Arlene Francis! John Charles Daly! They're still there!
True, I missed them. Oooppss
What's My Line?
Arlene is all I look for!
rick charles Funny, that's exactly why I came here.
Yes! Even if i have no clue who the mystery guest is, i love watching the "gang" (Dorothy, Arlene, Bennett and John)!
I’d say J Winter had a sub 35 IQ. Funny aside, everything he says is unintelligent and foolish.
I disagree
I agree to disagree 😊
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