I've used the MSA220 for over a year and it needs handling completely differently from petrol chainsaws like the 310. It works best when you use the dogs and do the initial cutting with the part of the chain closest to the handle. The guy in the video was pushing downwards far too hard to get the best out of the machine. Pushing down hard slows the chain speed (hence cutting speed), stalls the motor and does it no good at all, After a few hours, you get to listen to the motor and keep it cutting at optimum speed. I've found the MSA220 much quicker at cutting oak than the petrol 310 I have. It's also quieter, less messy due to not having to mix fuel, and much less vibration. I'm looking forward to the MSA300, which I'll likely be felling the bigger trees with. If you're a weekend warrior and don't want to upset your neighbours at 8am on a Sunday morning, the MSA220 is definitely recommended. A note about batteries. I recommend getting 3 batteries because a newly discharged battery is too warm to recharge, and if you only have 2 batteries then you might still be waiting for the first one to complete charging after discharging the second. If you work slowly, you might get away with 2 batteries. The fast charger is also not so kind to the batteries as the standard charger, and I don't recommend the fast charger unless someone else is buying your batteries for you!
I own a lawn care company and bought the 200 c to start with the ap300s series battery. I have fallen in love. Absolutely amazed..... cant wait to work up to the higher commercial grade
I have the MSA300, 220C, GTA26 and 161T. In regard to power even the 220C is absolutely no match for the MSA300 however I may use the 220C as much as the MSA300, it all depends on what kind job I need to do.
The all issue with this eletric saws is really not how fast they cut but how long the battery last. I have the MSA220 C, 161T, GTA26 and the MSA300. In my experience the more reliable one taking in consideration battery time is with no doubt the 161T, I cut twice as long with one AP200 battery on the 161T has I do with an AP300S on the 220C or one AP500S on the MSA300. They all have their porpoise and I am happy. The MSA300 is a joy powerful saw just kind a Mustang GT with an empety tank of gas even the AP500S battery is really not a match for this machine, also the triger sistem on this one I with prefer it with be like in the 220C. In regard to the 220C the bar attachment sistem I with prefer it to be like in the MSA300. The 161T in its class is a work horse, I have it about two years have used and abused it beyond manufacturers recommendation it never fail. The MSA300 I have it with both bars 16 and 18", in performance make no difference witch one I use maybe the battery last just a litle longer with a 16" but not much. The 220C I have it with a 16" bar and it feels okay. The 161T I have it with a 30cm bar is perfect no problem. I also have the Trimmer 135 witch use the same AP batteries and I am happy with it.
I think there area lot of factors which can influence the battery duration. Certainly, pushing down hard and stalling the motor like the guy did in the video will flatten your battery and ruin the motor much quicker than listening to the motor and keeping the revs at optimal level. I too have the MSA 220 and mine will cut continuously for 20 minutes with the 300S battery. It also cuts oak quicker than my petrol ms310. I think 20 mins at full load is quite adequate. I have 3 batteries and I use the standard charger because the fast charger is rather unkind to the lithium cells by pushing them a bit hard on recharge.
@@tasmedic The chargers, I have the AL101 and the 500, the AL101 very much I not use, it takes to long to charge the batteries. As far as I know the charger 500 is ventilated if the battery is hot a red light go one and he just runs on cooling of the battery before it go green and start charging back the battery, but I am absolutely not an expert. I have 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S and 4 AP500S, I have charged themes 99.99% the time with charger 500 and so far never have a problem.
@@tasmedic I have the 500 charger also. I enjoy how it has a fan that cools the battery before charging. I haven't had any problems in two years charging AP300s batteries. I'm glad that I spent the extra $50 on the 500 charger.
I have Stihl 880 and Stihl 171 more stronger better Than yours battery Stihl chainshaws! You are very rich you bought very expensive battery Stihl MSA 300
@@luxbeci2 No, I am not rich in fact I kind live paycheck to paycheck, however I think the world moves forward, and I find the battery platform in case of mine sense I am not use it professionally is more useful, simple and easier to use and maintain. I have the 220C and the 161T over 3 years they all scratch and beat up for use and abuse for sure beyond manufacture recommendation and never have to do any kind of maintenance. Don't take me wrong for I am not a professional or a person with lots of knowledge but for what I can see I feel quite sure with MSA300 I can challenge any 50cc gas powered saw. In regard to the batteries price I 100% agree with you, it seems like we buying gold.
Thanks for the video. The MS 362 weighs in at about the same as the MSA300. I’ll stick with the gasser. I only weigh 130 pounds, bad back and hips, yet still easily start the 362 standing up, left handed (right shoulder is screwed too).
Just bought a brand new MSA220, and so far, love it. The MSA300 was just out of my price range for a home owner. Here in the states, the 220 comes with a 16" bar. The 300 does too, but it can go up to a 20" bar. But at $800 without a battery, compared to the 220 at $400, it's just hard to justify unless you were using it daily for a job. Paired with an AR backpack, could really see someone marketing as a green service. For me, the 220 finished my arsenal of Kombi system (KMA130R), Blower (BGA100), Mower (RMA510), and now MSA220. Buy once, cry once... until you need a new battery or two, then cry again, for a bit. =)
I have the 220 and the 161T over 3 years I have used and abused this saws beyond manufacturers recommendation so far neither one have failed. My 220 comes with 16" bar and I down it to a 14" I got little more speed and battery time. I also have the MSA300 this comes with a 16" bar and I went up for a 18" it still spinning the chain with no problem and is more convenient for a ticker logs. The all problem with this saws for professional use are the batteries, they are priced like gold and they last very short in a charge. Battery technology still light years away.
Make you right on the captive nuts and the traditional tensioning, James. I've never been a fan of that wheel tensioner system, it's aimed at the domestic market. Can wait till Stihl up the anti on the Kma135r, must be due for an upgrade soon.
Haha yeah, a bit like it! We did a video on pro top handles a few months ago and part two is in process 🤩 first one here - ruclips.net/video/Yev7H8BKGVo/видео.html
I am really not a professional but I do cut some quite amount of fier wood I have the top handle Stihl 161T for about 2 years have used and abused it way beyond manufacturers recommendation it have never fail on me I am quite impressed with this litle saw.
Great video. Question: If you don't push down do you think the saws, especially the msa 120, would cut faster because the chain would keep moving? The 220 motor is the same power and efficiency as the 200?
Absolutely! He pushed too hard with both the 120 and 220 in the video rather than letting the saws cut the wood 'under their own weight' which is far more efficient on battery consumption as well.
I love all the comparisons Machinery Nation makes on many saws, honest, no holds barred, on this shoot out, the petrol saw wins hands down, the constant note of the petrol saw is constant, the note of the battery saw is untrustworthy, it may come to a stop at any point, in my experience it has done many times, for a professional to get the job done safely and progressively, petrol takes care of business, batteries need to be taken care of !!! always a fan James, just my humble opinion, keep up the super work !!!
I think they need to put a loop on the back of the saw. I don't care if it's homeowners or tree climbers. Tree climbers need to loop on the back of the saw. What do you think?
@@MachineryNation Feels kind of strange, I have the 220 with a Stihl normal 40cm bar, I went to Stihl dealer and order the 40cm 04 light bar however it doesn't fitting in the 220 then they install the 35cm 04 light bar and it does fit properly but I end up 5cm short on bar lenght.
Much improved when I play the “ screaming 2 stroke sound track “ ! Stihl have been thinking about things a lot. They’ve got the saws looking like saws and performing way better. The 300 is pretty impressive. What does the combi can look like 😁
I have the MSA300 I not know exactly what you meaning whrn you say combi, mine have a baton to slect the power and speed of the chain and it have 3 level setings. Is in did a joy fast and powerful machine the only down side in my opinion is the battery, feels like even the top battery the AP500S witch I have is not up to the saw.
My question is why do they put massive log dogs on electric chainsaws? I do understand they have a lot of torque but the reason the dogs are there is so you can force the bar through your work but electric saws don't have enough to even attempt that
Mostly for looks in all honesty id say 😆 not efficient on battery jamming it into a log hard thats for sure 😆 trying to make it look like the medium sized petrol pro saws I think 😆 big spikes are lost bar length in reality...
Thanks for the great review on the updated MSA 220c! Interesting, that Stihl is moving towards the .325 RS Pro / RM Pro chains here. Haven't seen this saw in Germany, yet - can you share the updated article number with us? Would be interesting to see, how the MSA 220 performs, while using the AP 500s battery, as it can supply much more current (=power). The bigger battery had quite a "boosting" effect on my FSA 90 trimmer, doesn't slow down in the brush any more ;)
I have the MSA 220 C and all batteries from AP200 to the AP500S but btween the the AP300S and the AP500S I have not notice performance difrence on the MSA 220C except little extra cutting time with AP500S, only on the MSA 300 you fell the difrence for you must have the AP500S to run full power.
3 days ago I went by a Stihl dealer and have a look at the new 220C, it was not what I was expecting. In real for what I can see is same power as the old one 220C I have just the trigger system have one more safety system witch have no use at all, I think I prefer the way mine is.
Around 1:55 you state the old saw required the operator to press the side trigger lockout switch to run the saw with the trigger, and the new saw has a palm lockout switch on the handle or "deadman's handle". IMO that would be an improvement, but you didn't demonstrate it, and the side lockout switch is still clearly present. Could you please clarify how these buttons work and what that side switch is for if not a lockout?
I have the MSA 220, and when I’m up a tree using it with a AP500s battery it feels plenty heavy enough on the arms. If the 300 is 2kg heavier then I don’t think it would be as suitable.
I have the MSA220 also but to go up on a tree unless I have a solid standing I never use the 220 I use the 161T and with one AP200 battery. I have all batteries from AP200 to AP500S and the swas GTA26, 161T, 220C and MSA300. If you got a chance next time you go up on a tree try the 161T with a 30cm bar and one AP200 battery I believe you be suprised.
totally agree! You want the lightest battery you can get away with. However from my experience AP200 isn’t suitable for MSA 220. It’s perfect for MSA161t and hedge trimmers. AP200 also works in my MSA200 but with little less grunt than a using AP300 (which isn’t sold any more) or AP300s or AP500 which gives it full power . The MSA220 works ok with a old AP300 but you will need AP300s or AP500 to get full power. And the MSA300 will only work on setting one with a AP300s. You need AP500s to work on setting 2 and 3. Personally I definitely wouldn’t buy the AP500s unless you are buying a MSA300 as it’s very pricey, very heavy and takes much longer to charge (50 minutes plus! Instead or 35min for all other battery with the AL500 fast charger). I Also found the AP500 is much more prone to getting too warm to charge if you run it right down with continuous use in a chainsaw or my Kma135 with striming line attachment. Which means it has to cool down on the charger for sometimes 15 mins before another 50mins at least of charging! I think this is because there is no air gap between the laminate cells. The AP300s is the best most versatile battery because of this. Although I would really like @stihl to bring out a new AP200 high power battery that is still light but is capable of powering all the tools albeit with less run time.
I also have the hta135 which will work with AP200 for small/medium branches but definitely has more power with the higher Capacity batteries which is a shame because it very weighty with AP300s let alone a AP500s. The Hta86 although it has big bulky motor on head is still a much lighter if less powerful option. With a same tiny chain as the MSA161t it leaves really nice clean cut idea for neat pruning jobs, and also much great run time.
I have the msa 140 with the ak30 batteries with a dime tip carveing bar. Don't know why they even sell the 120,the 140 is only $40 more or so. I have a few sthil products and have nothing but good to say about them but i chose an echo ds5000 for the slim .043 bar for blocking a few carveing projects in my shed. The reviews i watched put it well up there with the sthil 220. Would love to see a review on the echo dcs5000
I have the stihl 220 and the msa 300 they not compable the 300 is much faster feels way more on the professional side but for more light use I always use the 220 because is lighter,
Not sure why you call the smaller saw the homeowners saw and the larger the “authorities”(lol) saw. I’m not lugging an 881 Magnum up in the lift to limb a tree, but the little “home owners” 120c seems to be the tool for that job.
I have find and install the new 35cm 04 light bar and chain for the 220C, used it yestarday cutting oka for the fireplace it was in did like cutting butter with a hot blade however on the battery time I didn't feel a huge diffrence so to speak. I use to have the 40cm rollomatic on my 220C on a Stihl dealer in Spain we try install the new 40cm 04 light but it not fits only the 35cm so now I am 5cm short on the bar.
I use to have a Stihl trimer 192 but after I buy the 161T I have no more use for the 192 so I sold it. In regard to power if you can try the MSA300 you maybe surprised.
Imagine going out to the shed and finding your petrol chain saw out of fuel. You'd have to fill it up. Now imagine going out to the shed and finding your battery chainsaw with a flat battery. Now you have to sit around waiting for it to charge. Battery saws are for people with 3 acres and a Range Rover.
Chain speed is not related to power. It's all the same power. Lower chain speed means more torque. You can cut larger logs with a lower chain speed and put a larger bar on it.
One is not more important than the other, but they work together. If you have good torque and a shorter bar, you can run a bigger sprocket and cut faster with the higher chain speed. If you are down on power or need to run the max size bar for the powerhead, you can run a smaller sprocket to keep the engine from bogging.
My MSA300 comes with 16" Light 04 bar then I switch for the 18" Light 04, have the feeling it performs just the same. Maybe if go with 20" it with perform very much the same but I with got less battery time. The all issue with this machines are the battery time.
You are absolutly right. I have both saws MSA300 and 220C, to cut continuos with MSA300 from a pile of logs you need at least 4 AP500S batteries and the charger AL500 on from the beginning. Logs from 40cm diameter up drain the batteries very fast also the batteries got hot and need to cool down so they can charge up again. In regard to 4 foot log I think they not even designed for that, maximum bar lenght recommended is 18".
@@sirvozelo1 Hi, just a note, there are certainly different battery saws and there are different thickness bars/chains, and there are different capacity batteries.... Then there are old guys like me who need a break after 40 minutes so maybe 2 batteries and the harness to hold them! It is all great, just another consideration from an older guy who used to be a beast!
@@donlarson1224 I am not younger anymore also, in the case of my saws I have all of themes with manufacture recommended bars and chains so I can't do much more than that. I have Stihl MSA300, 220C, 161T, GTA26 and the Trimmer 135, I am absolutely satisfied with machines, batteries I have all from AP200 to AP500S my feeling is the battery technology for professional use still light years away. In my case as a homeowner I sold 2 of my gas power chainsaws and one trimmer just keep my old hasky 162 for memory, I am with battery power now but I have to admit that for all day continues working battery technology is not their yet.
I know very, very little about eletronics and I have a question. I have 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S and 4 AP500S batteries for the saws 161T, 220C, MSA300 and the Trimmer 135. My question is, if in my truck I have a battery with 60 AH capacity how manny times can I recharge one of my AP500S batteries using a power converter in this case from 12V to 220V for using the Stihl battery charger 500 and with out leaving the trucks battery death? I mean recharging with truck engine not running. Thank you.
Here is my take on this. So your car battery is by your statement 60 Ah at normal temperature. Now total amount of energy in theory in your car battery is 12V x 60Ah which equals 720Wh. This is only true of new battery which is less than 1 year old. Normal lead acid battery loses about 20 % after about 200 total full recharge cycles and much more after that. Now if you use Stihl’s AL 500 Hi-speed charger it will consume max 600 watts (you can’t use cigarette lighter socket and have to use direct battery clips for inverter), operates at 230VAC (average) and can charge with max 12 Amps at max 41.9 VDC. This charge rate is absolute max and li-ion battery cannot take this amperage all the time. Lets assume you want to charge Stihl AP500S battery from complete empty to full charge. This battery has nominal voltage of 36 V and max voltage of 41.9 V with nominal capacity of 8.8 Ah and absolute capacity of 9.36 Ah. Reason why there is difference is that battery manufacturer limits available capacity to you in order to make battery last longer. Total Wh of battery which is again theoretical is 337 Wh but in reality about 316 Wh (read Stihl fine print). Charge rate is about in line of all other parameters for usual 1C rate. Now to calculations. Inverter losses on converting from 12VDC to 230VAC using normal consumer grade inverter are about 15-20 % Charger internal losses are between 5-10 % Battery charging losses are about 5 % If we add all losses up it will be around 40% as they are compounded. So if we have total energy in a car battery 720 Wh then removing 40 % it will be left of 432 Wh As our AP500S has capacity of 316 Wh then theoretically you can charge it appropriately 1.36x however having absolutely perfect new car battery fully charged is not usually the case and also taking into account other variables like temperature then you should consider max charge of 1x. Even that is risky because getting lead acid battery below 50 % capacity has serious effect on its max amps so you might be stuck with dead battery. Hope this wall text answers your question and provides enough data for all other smartasses to come after my mistakes 😊😆
@@rkriisk I sure believe you have knowledge about this issue and I thank you. I try recharge the AP500S on my jeep and on a friend pick up, my friends battery suppose to be 100 whats mine 75, in both cases the alarm in the converter went on when the AP500S was about 50% charged and in both cases I disconnect everything and was able to start back the vehicles engines without a problem, then I waited for about 5 minutes connected back the inverter and with vehicles engines running the alarm went off. I was connecting the inverter direct to the vehicle battery not in a cigarette lighter. Now I have the feeling that with vehicle running I may can use this method kind like emergency. I only did that 1 time to try, this because my personal knowledge about this matters is highly limited.
You should never consider pulling out more than 50 percent of your car battery before starting the engine. That is just below 12V for most designs. So you will need a bigger car battery, or better a battery designed for this kind of long term load, to recharge saw batteries. Car batteries are designed for a short high current discharge, not long time medium load. Like a RV or sailboat use for running a fridge.
@@anderscomstedt3064 Yes You are right. Normally I not even need that because I am just a homeowner and for what I do I have more batteries and charge themes at home, I was curious and I did try with power converter but not really works unless I have the engine in the Jeep running.
Absolutly I have the 220C, 161T, MSA300 and the Trimmer 135 in every one I have used all batteries AP200, AP300, AP300S and AP500S, normally for the 161T I chose the AP200 but just because of the weight, also if I use the AP500S I need pay more attention not run out of bar oil before I run out of battery, on the 220C I normaly use the AP300S kind feels better balanced but if I run out of AP300S I go with AP500S absolutly no problem work the same
@@sirvozelo1 totally agree! You want the lightest battery you can get away with. However from my experience AP200 isn’t suitable for MSA 220. It’s perfect for MSA161t and hedge trimmers. AP200 also works in my MSA200 but with little less grunt than a using AP300 (which isn’t sold any more) or AP300s or AP500 which gives it full power . The MSA220 works ok with a old AP300 but you will need AP300s or AP500 to get full power. And the MSA300 will only work on setting one with a AP300s. You need AP500s to work on setting 2 and 3. Personally I definitely wouldn’t buy the AP500s unless you are buying a MSA300 as it’s very pricey, very heavy and takes much longer to charge (50 minutes plus! Instead or 35min for all other battery with the AL500 fast charger). I Also found the AP500 is much more prone to getting too warm to charge if you run it right down with continuous use in a chainsaw or my Kma135 with striming line attachment. Which means it has to cool down on the charger for sometimes 15 mins before another 50mins at least of charging! I think this is because there is no air gap between the laminate cells. The AP300s is the best most versatile battery because of this. Although I would really like @stihl to bring out a new AP200 high power battery that is still light but is capable of powering all the tools albeit with less run time.
One thing for you to keep in mind, it have an air filter that is under the top cover I still have not find out yet how come it got so much dust but the fact is that it do. However is not hard to clean 4 screws to take the cover off and 1 to remove the air filter.
I am ready and with like the chalange, I have the Stihl MSA300 but have not come across with anybody with Husky, attending at some videos demonstration I have seen make me feel the Stihl is faster but the Husky battery last quite longer. Howver with out been both side by side with be dificult to judge.
Whao now you realy got me, I have the MSA300, 220C, 161T, GTA26 and the Trimmer 135, I know for sure the Trimmer in one slected speed yes you can feather the power like in a petro but on the chainsaws I really never pay attention.
Regulations in public organisations are very strict. I know one where they are not aloud to use a certain product for any longer than 10 mins at a time due to the vibration. World gone mad 😂
I not know exactly but in the case of the MSA300 this saw is very fast and powerful Stihl claims is compared with gás powered 261, so with anti vibration system it with be more confortable for the user.
Very expensive this battery Stihl chainshaw you have very much money then in UK more more money Than my country you know by 3 many Stihl battery chainshaw but I not know buy
This saw is junk. I had one for just over a year, it quit oiling the bar sent it off they claimed it needed 'cleaning' yet had to break the whole saw down to do this.. not like I could without voiding warranty. Crap stuff I would avoid stihl in future buy quality like husky instead !
I've used the MSA220 for over a year and it needs handling completely differently from petrol chainsaws like the 310. It works best when you use the dogs and do the initial cutting with the part of the chain closest to the handle. The guy in the video was pushing downwards far too hard to get the best out of the machine. Pushing down hard slows the chain speed (hence cutting speed), stalls the motor and does it no good at all, After a few hours, you get to listen to the motor and keep it cutting at optimum speed. I've found the MSA220 much quicker at cutting oak than the petrol 310 I have. It's also quieter, less messy due to not having to mix fuel, and much less vibration. I'm looking forward to the MSA300, which I'll likely be felling the bigger trees with.
If you're a weekend warrior and don't want to upset your neighbours at 8am on a Sunday morning, the MSA220 is definitely recommended.
A note about batteries. I recommend getting 3 batteries because a newly discharged battery is too warm to recharge, and if you only have 2 batteries then you might still be waiting for the first one to complete charging after discharging the second. If you work slowly, you might get away with 2 batteries. The fast charger is also not so kind to the batteries as the standard charger, and I don't recommend the fast charger unless someone else is buying your batteries for you!
Really helpful tips. Thank you!
I own a lawn care company and bought the 200 c to start with the ap300s series battery. I have fallen in love. Absolutely amazed..... cant wait to work up to the higher commercial grade
Nice man! Thanks for the feedback 👍🏼
I have the MSA300, 220C, GTA26 and 161T. In regard to power even the 220C is absolutely no match for the MSA300 however I may use the 220C as much as the MSA300, it all depends on what kind job I need to do.
The all issue with this eletric saws is really not how fast they cut but how long the battery last.
I have the MSA220 C, 161T, GTA26 and the MSA300.
In my experience the more reliable one taking in consideration battery time is with no doubt the 161T, I cut twice as long with one AP200 battery on the 161T has I do with an AP300S on the 220C or one AP500S on the MSA300.
They all have their porpoise and I am happy.
The MSA300 is a joy powerful saw just kind a Mustang GT with an empety tank of gas even the AP500S battery is really not a match for this machine, also the triger sistem on this one I with prefer it with be like in the 220C.
In regard to the 220C the bar attachment sistem I with prefer it to be like in the MSA300.
The 161T in its class is a work horse, I have it about two years have used and abused it beyond manufacturers recommendation it never fail.
The MSA300 I have it with both bars 16 and 18", in performance make no difference witch one I use maybe the battery last just a litle longer with a 16" but not much.
The 220C I have it with a 16" bar and it feels okay.
The 161T I have it with a 30cm bar is perfect no problem.
I also have the Trimmer 135 witch use the same AP batteries and I am happy with it.
I think there area lot of factors which can influence the battery duration. Certainly, pushing down hard and stalling the motor like the guy did in the video will flatten your battery and ruin the motor much quicker than listening to the motor and keeping the revs at optimal level. I too have the MSA 220 and mine will cut continuously for 20 minutes with the 300S battery. It also cuts oak quicker than my petrol ms310. I think 20 mins at full load is quite adequate. I have 3 batteries and I use the standard charger because the fast charger is rather unkind to the lithium cells by pushing them a bit hard on recharge.
@@tasmedic The chargers, I have the AL101 and the 500, the AL101 very much I not use, it takes to long to charge the batteries.
As far as I know the charger 500 is ventilated if the battery is hot a red light go one and he just runs on cooling of the battery before it go green and start charging back the battery, but I am absolutely not an expert.
I have 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S and 4 AP500S, I have charged themes 99.99% the time with charger 500 and so far never have a problem.
@@tasmedic I have the 500 charger also. I enjoy how it has a fan that cools the battery before charging. I haven't had any problems in two years charging AP300s batteries. I'm glad that I spent the extra $50 on the 500 charger.
I have Stihl 880 and Stihl 171 more stronger better Than yours battery Stihl chainshaws! You are very rich you bought very expensive battery Stihl MSA 300
@@luxbeci2 No, I am not rich in fact I kind live paycheck to paycheck, however I think the world moves forward, and I find the battery platform in case of mine sense I am not use it professionally is more useful, simple and easier to use and maintain. I have the 220C and the 161T over 3 years they all scratch and beat up for use and abuse for sure beyond manufacture recommendation and never have to do any kind of maintenance.
Don't take me wrong for I am not a professional or a person with lots of knowledge but for what I can see I feel quite sure with MSA300 I can challenge any 50cc gas powered saw.
In regard to the batteries price I 100% agree with you, it seems like we buying gold.
Nice to see an update on the 220. I would have liked it to have the same features as the 220t though. Traditional nuts and so on..
Thanks for the video. The MS 362 weighs in at about the same as the MSA300. I’ll stick with the gasser. I only weigh 130 pounds, bad back and hips, yet still easily start the 362 standing up, left handed (right shoulder is screwed too).
Just bought a brand new MSA220, and so far, love it. The MSA300 was just out of my price range for a home owner. Here in the states, the 220 comes with a 16" bar. The 300 does too, but it can go up to a 20" bar. But at $800 without a battery, compared to the 220 at $400, it's just hard to justify unless you were using it daily for a job. Paired with an AR backpack, could really see someone marketing as a green service. For me, the 220 finished my arsenal of Kombi system (KMA130R), Blower (BGA100), Mower (RMA510), and now MSA220. Buy once, cry once... until you need a new battery or two, then cry again, for a bit. =)
I have the 220 and the 161T over 3 years I have used and abused this saws beyond manufacturers recommendation so far neither one have failed. My 220 comes with 16" bar and I down it to a 14" I got little more speed and battery time. I also have the MSA300 this comes with a 16" bar and I went up for a 18" it still spinning the chain with no problem and is more convenient for a ticker logs.
The all problem with this saws for professional use are the batteries, they are priced like gold and they last very short in a charge. Battery technology still light years away.
Make you right on the captive nuts and the traditional tensioning, James.
I've never been a fan of that wheel tensioner system, it's aimed at the domestic market.
Can wait till Stihl up the anti on the Kma135r, must be due for an upgrade soon.
Good job by stihl in upping power and size and batteries
Like watching the 170 against the 500. Could you do a comparison video of the battery top handle pro saws, thanx
Haha yeah, a bit like it! We did a video on pro top handles a few months ago and part two is in process 🤩 first one here - ruclips.net/video/Yev7H8BKGVo/видео.html
I am really not a professional but I do cut some quite amount of fier wood I have the top handle Stihl 161T for about 2 years have used and abused it way beyond manufacturers recommendation it have never fail on me I am quite impressed with this litle saw.
Great video. Question: If you don't push down do you think the saws, especially the msa 120, would cut faster because the chain would keep moving? The 220 motor is the same power and efficiency as the 200?
Absolutely! He pushed too hard with both the 120 and 220 in the video rather than letting the saws cut the wood 'under their own weight' which is far more efficient on battery consumption as well.
I love all the comparisons Machinery Nation makes on many saws, honest, no holds barred, on this shoot out, the petrol saw wins hands down, the constant note of the petrol saw is constant, the note of the battery saw is untrustworthy, it may come to a stop at any point, in my experience it has done many times, for a professional to get the job done safely and progressively, petrol takes care of business, batteries need to be taken care of !!! always a fan James, just my humble opinion, keep up the super work !!!
Thanks for the video.. just goes to show the difference..
Thanks Mick, yeah it does for sure 👍🏼
I think they need to put a loop on the back of the saw. I don't care if it's homeowners or tree climbers. Tree climbers need to loop on the back of the saw. What do you think?
Yes😊
Brilliant video guys!! Will the new light bar and chain on the 220 fit into the old 220? If so would it make any difference to the performance?
Yes 100% will retro fit 👍🏼 and it will make a big difference 👍🏼
@@MachineryNation thanks guys great stuff. Do you know when the bar and chain will be available in the uk?
@@MachineryNation Feels kind of strange, I have the 220 with a Stihl normal 40cm bar, I went to Stihl dealer and order the 40cm 04 light bar however it doesn't fitting in the 220 then they install the 35cm 04 light bar and it does fit properly but I end up 5cm short on bar lenght.
Much improved when I play the “ screaming 2 stroke sound track “ ! Stihl have been thinking about things a lot. They’ve got the saws looking like saws and performing way better. The 300 is pretty impressive. What does the combi can look like 😁
I have the MSA300 I not know exactly what you meaning whrn you say combi, mine have a baton to slect the power and speed of the chain and it have 3 level setings. Is in did a joy fast and powerful machine the only down side in my opinion is the battery, feels like even the top battery the AP500S witch I have is not up to the saw.
Awesome video James! Love the advancements STIHL has made in the battery world over the last few years.
How would you compare the Stihl MSA 300 to the Ego 18" Chainsaw? Thank you for your videos!
Stay tuned a similar video to this is en route! 👀
My question is why do they put massive log dogs on electric chainsaws? I do understand they have a lot of torque but the reason the dogs are there is so you can force the bar through your work but electric saws don't have enough to even attempt that
Mostly for looks in all honesty id say 😆 not efficient on battery jamming it into a log hard thats for sure 😆 trying to make it look like the medium sized petrol pro saws I think 😆 big spikes are lost bar length in reality...
Thank you for the info. James! Wish I could get my hands on a MSA220 and/or MSA300! Great video!
I have both they realy not comparable the MSA300 is heavier but much powerful it feels much more like a professional saw.
Thanks for the great review on the updated MSA 220c! Interesting, that Stihl is moving towards the .325 RS Pro / RM Pro chains here. Haven't seen this saw in Germany, yet - can you share the updated article number with us?
Would be interesting to see, how the MSA 220 performs, while using the AP 500s battery, as it can supply much more current (=power). The bigger battery had quite a "boosting" effect on my FSA 90 trimmer, doesn't slow down in the brush any more ;)
I have the MSA 220 C and all batteries from AP200 to the AP500S but btween the the AP300S and the AP500S I have not notice performance difrence on the MSA 220C except little extra cutting time with AP500S, only on the MSA 300 you fell the difrence for you must have the AP500S to run full power.
Hi James Good Comparison Video Thanks again
Thank you Darren 🤩
How long are the actual length of the bars.. do we get the full 14 inch bar cut capacity or is it less.. I notice an inch less than stated.. on some
Always get less bar than stated into an actual log due to mounting position and the wood spikes holding the saw away from the wood...
3 days ago I went by a Stihl dealer and have a look at the new 220C, it was not what I was expecting. In real for what I can see is same power as the old one 220C I have just the trigger system have one more safety system witch have no use at all, I think I prefer the way mine is.
Older 220 has more air vent slot volume on the left hand side compared to the new one I notice too.
After watching you trying them definitely won’t be giving up my petrol machines
You guys are so awesome. I am so fascinated by your videos. Best from the usa.
Around 1:55 you state the old saw required the operator to press the side trigger lockout switch to run the saw with the trigger, and the new saw has a palm lockout switch on the handle or "deadman's handle". IMO that would be an improvement, but you didn't demonstrate it, and the side lockout switch is still clearly present. Could you please clarify how these buttons work and what that side switch is for if not a lockout?
I have the MSA 220, and when I’m up a tree using it with a AP500s battery it feels plenty heavy enough on the arms. If the 300 is 2kg heavier then I don’t think it would be as suitable.
I have the MSA220 also but to go up on a tree unless I have a solid standing I never use the 220 I use the 161T and with one AP200 battery.
I have all batteries from AP200 to AP500S and the swas GTA26, 161T, 220C and MSA300.
If you got a chance next time you go up on a tree try the 161T with a 30cm bar and one AP200 battery I believe you be suprised.
totally agree! You want the lightest battery you can get away with. However from my experience AP200 isn’t suitable for MSA 220. It’s perfect for MSA161t and hedge trimmers. AP200 also works in my MSA200 but with little less grunt than a using AP300 (which isn’t sold any more) or AP300s or AP500 which gives it full power . The MSA220 works ok with a old AP300 but you will need AP300s or AP500 to get full power. And the MSA300 will only work on setting one with a AP300s. You need AP500s to work on setting 2 and 3.
Personally I definitely wouldn’t buy the AP500s unless you are buying a MSA300 as it’s very pricey, very heavy and takes much longer to charge (50 minutes plus! Instead or 35min for all other battery with the AL500 fast charger). I Also found the AP500 is much more prone to getting too warm to charge if you run it right down with continuous use in a chainsaw or my Kma135 with striming line attachment. Which means it has to cool down on the charger for sometimes 15 mins before another 50mins at least of charging! I think this is because there is no air gap between the laminate cells. The AP300s is the best most versatile battery because of this. Although I would really like @stihl to bring out a new AP200 high power battery that is still light but is capable of powering all the tools albeit with less run time.
I also have the hta135 which will work with AP200 for small/medium branches but definitely has more power with the higher Capacity batteries which is a shame because it very weighty with AP300s let alone a AP500s. The Hta86 although it has big bulky motor on head is still a much lighter if less powerful option. With a same tiny chain as the MSA161t it leaves really nice clean cut idea for neat pruning jobs, and also much great run time.
I have the msa 140 with the ak30 batteries with a dime tip carveing bar.
Don't know why they even sell the 120,the 140 is only $40 more or so.
I have a few sthil products and have nothing but good to say about them but i chose an echo ds5000 for the slim .043 bar for blocking a few carveing projects in my shed.
The reviews i watched put it well up there with the sthil 220.
Would love to see a review on the echo dcs5000
I have the stihl 220 and the msa 300 they not compable the 300 is much faster feels way more on the professional side but for more light use I always use the 220 because is lighter,
Not sure why you call the smaller saw the homeowners saw and the larger the “authorities”(lol) saw. I’m not lugging an 881 Magnum up in the lift to limb a tree, but the little “home owners” 120c seems to be the tool for that job.
I have find and install the new 35cm 04 light bar and chain for the 220C, used it yestarday cutting oka for the fireplace it was in did like cutting butter with a hot blade however on the battery time I didn't feel a huge diffrence so to speak.
I use to have the 40cm rollomatic on my 220C on a Stihl dealer in Spain we try install the new 40cm 04 light but it not fits only the 35cm so now I am 5cm short on the bar.
What's it like when you saw up and not down? I'm still going to stick with my Petrol Stihl saws. They just seem to have more power.
I use to have a Stihl trimer 192 but after I buy the 161T I have no more use for the 192 so I sold it. In regard to power if you can try the MSA300 you maybe surprised.
What’s the difference between the AP300 and the AP300s batteries ?
Capacity - 6 Ah vs 7.2 Ah
Good comparison James
Imagine going out to the shed and finding your petrol chain saw out of fuel. You'd have to fill it up.
Now imagine going out to the shed and finding your battery chainsaw with a flat battery. Now you have to sit around waiting for it to charge. Battery saws are for people with 3 acres and a Range Rover.
I heard they were for people who own Deutz tractors 😉
@@MachineryNation And who went to English Grammar school....
@@adelarsen9776 defo not me dude 😂
@@MachineryNation I'm just a junior assistant farm hand. And what's education really anyway ? One only needs to know how to fling much with a shovel.
@@adelarsen9776 I was never a fan of classroom education 😂
Chain speed is not related to power. It's all the same power. Lower chain speed means more torque. You can cut larger logs with a lower chain speed and put a larger bar on it.
One is not more important than the other, but they work together. If you have good torque and a shorter bar, you can run a bigger sprocket and cut faster with the higher chain speed. If you are down on power or need to run the max size bar for the powerhead, you can run a smaller sprocket to keep the engine from bogging.
The US reviews quote a 20 inch bar for the MSA 300.
But on the website its syated as 18 inch.
What's the story??
My MSA300 comes with 16" Light 04 bar then I switch for the 18" Light 04, have the feeling it performs just the same. Maybe if go with 20" it with perform very much the same but I with got less battery time.
The all issue with this machines are the battery time.
The MSA 300 looks like another good firewood saw . But if you cut a 4 foot log with it I think it will drain the battery more !
You are absolutly right. I have both saws MSA300 and 220C, to cut continuos with MSA300 from a pile of logs you need at least 4 AP500S batteries and the charger AL500 on from the beginning.
Logs from 40cm diameter up drain the batteries very fast also the batteries got hot and need to cool down so they can charge up again.
In regard to 4 foot log I think they not even designed for that, maximum bar lenght recommended is 18".
@@sirvozelo1 Hi, just a note, there are certainly different battery saws and there are different thickness bars/chains, and there are different capacity batteries.... Then there are old guys like me who need a break after 40 minutes so maybe 2 batteries and the harness to hold them! It is all great, just another consideration from an older guy who used to be a beast!
@@donlarson1224 I am not younger anymore also, in the case of my saws I have all of themes with manufacture recommended bars and chains so I can't do much more than that. I have Stihl MSA300, 220C, 161T, GTA26 and the Trimmer 135, I am absolutely satisfied with machines, batteries I have all from AP200 to AP500S my feeling is the battery technology for professional use still light years away. In my case as a homeowner I sold 2 of my gas power chainsaws and one trimmer just keep my old hasky 162 for memory, I am with battery power now but I have to admit that for all day continues working battery technology is not their yet.
I know very, very little about eletronics and I have a question.
I have 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S and 4 AP500S batteries for the saws 161T, 220C, MSA300 and the Trimmer 135.
My question is, if in my truck I have a battery with 60 AH capacity how manny times can I recharge one of my AP500S batteries using a power converter in this case from 12V to 220V for using the Stihl battery charger 500 and with out leaving the trucks battery death?
I mean recharging with truck engine not running.
Thank you.
Here is my take on this. So your car battery is by your statement 60 Ah at normal temperature. Now total amount of energy in theory in your car battery is 12V x 60Ah which equals 720Wh. This is only true of new battery which is less than 1 year old. Normal lead acid battery loses about 20 % after about 200 total full recharge cycles and much more after that.
Now if you use Stihl’s AL 500 Hi-speed charger it will consume max 600 watts (you can’t use cigarette lighter socket and have to use direct battery clips for inverter), operates at 230VAC (average) and can charge with max 12 Amps at max 41.9 VDC. This charge rate is absolute max and li-ion battery cannot take this amperage all the time.
Lets assume you want to charge Stihl AP500S battery from complete empty to full charge.
This battery has nominal voltage of 36 V and max voltage of 41.9 V with nominal capacity of 8.8 Ah and absolute capacity of 9.36 Ah. Reason why there is difference is that battery manufacturer limits available capacity to you in order to make battery last longer. Total Wh of battery which is again theoretical is 337 Wh but in reality about 316 Wh (read Stihl fine print). Charge rate is about in line of all other parameters for usual 1C rate.
Now to calculations.
Inverter losses on converting from 12VDC to 230VAC using normal consumer grade inverter are about 15-20 %
Charger internal losses are between 5-10 %
Battery charging losses are about 5 %
If we add all losses up it will be around 40% as they are compounded.
So if we have total energy in a car battery 720 Wh then removing 40 % it will be left of 432 Wh
As our AP500S has capacity of 316 Wh then theoretically you can charge it appropriately 1.36x however having absolutely perfect new car battery fully charged is not usually the case and also taking into account other variables like temperature then you should consider max charge of 1x. Even that is risky because getting lead acid battery below 50 % capacity has serious effect on its max amps so you might be stuck with dead battery.
Hope this wall text answers your question and provides enough data for all other smartasses to come after my mistakes 😊😆
@@rkriisk I sure believe you have knowledge about this issue and I thank you.
I try recharge the AP500S on my jeep and on a friend pick up, my friends battery suppose to be 100 whats mine 75, in both cases the alarm in the converter went on when the AP500S was about 50% charged and in both cases I disconnect everything and was able to start back the vehicles engines without a problem, then I waited for about 5 minutes connected back the inverter and with vehicles engines running the alarm went off.
I was connecting the inverter direct to the vehicle battery not in a cigarette lighter.
Now I have the feeling that with vehicle running I may can use this method kind like emergency.
I only did that 1 time to try, this because my personal knowledge about this matters is highly limited.
You should never consider pulling out more than 50 percent of your car battery before starting the engine.
That is just below 12V for most designs.
So you will need a bigger car battery, or better a battery designed for this kind of long term load, to recharge saw batteries. Car batteries are designed for a short high current discharge, not long time medium load. Like a RV or sailboat use for running a fridge.
@@anderscomstedt3064 Yes You are right. Normally I not even need that because I am just a homeowner and for what I do I have more batteries and charge themes at home, I was curious and I did try with power converter but not really works unless I have the engine in the Jeep running.
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Is a AP500s battery compatible with a MSA220 saw?
Absolutly I have the 220C, 161T, MSA300 and the Trimmer 135 in every one I have used all batteries AP200, AP300, AP300S and AP500S, normally for the 161T I chose the AP200 but just because of the weight, also if I use the AP500S I need pay more attention not run out of bar oil before I run out of battery, on the 220C I normaly use the AP300S kind feels better balanced but if I run out of AP300S I go with AP500S absolutly no problem work the same
@@sirvozelo1 totally agree! You want the lightest battery you can get away with. However from my experience AP200 isn’t suitable for MSA 220. It’s perfect for MSA161t and hedge trimmers. AP200 also works in my MSA200 but with little less grunt than a using AP300 (which isn’t sold any more) or AP300s or AP500 which gives it full power . The MSA220 works ok with a old AP300 but you will need AP300s or AP500 to get full power. And the MSA300 will only work on setting one with a AP300s. You need AP500s to work on setting 2 and 3.
Personally I definitely wouldn’t buy the AP500s unless you are buying a MSA300 as it’s very pricey, very heavy and takes much longer to charge (50 minutes plus! Instead or 35min for all other battery with the AL500 fast charger). I Also found the AP500 is much more prone to getting too warm to charge if you run it right down with continuous use in a chainsaw or my Kma135 with striming line attachment. Which means it has to cool down on the charger for sometimes 15 mins before another 50mins at least of charging! I think this is because there is no air gap between the laminate cells. The AP300s is the best most versatile battery because of this. Although I would really like @stihl to bring out a new AP200 high power battery that is still light but is capable of powering all the tools albeit with less run time.
Battery chainsaw stihl nice
I ordered the 300 one month ago. Still have to wait until April. 😖
I have order and got mine from a store in Holland takes about 2 weeks. I order it online have no problem.
One thing for you to keep in mind, it have an air filter that is under the top cover I still have not find out yet how come it got so much dust but the fact is that it do. However is not hard to clean 4 screws to take the cover off and 1 to remove the air filter.
For some reason on the Stihl page I can't find the 40cm 04 light bar to fit my MSA220C.
How about the price?
I pay 690 Eur. just the saw no battery no charger, order it online from a store in Holland about 6 months ago.
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Test Husqvarna 540i xp vs Stihl msa 300c
I am ready and with like the chalange, I have the Stihl MSA300 but have not come across with anybody with Husky, attending at some videos demonstration I have seen make me feel the Stihl is faster but the Husky battery last quite longer. Howver with out been both side by side with be dificult to judge.
Why does the seconds on the timer only go to 30 not 60?
No idea if I’m honest. It’s the clock that is available on our editing software. The seconds are bang on though as we have previously tested this 👍🏼
Not much tourq in it is it nice video
Super 300
The saws will cut a lot faster if you don't stall them out.
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Please stop overusing the side view it's so annoying.
Why annyoning?
Do they have variable speed control or are they just on or off ?? 🤔
Can you feather the power like a petrol saw ?? Cheers
Whao now you realy got me, I have the MSA300, 220C, 161T, GTA26 and the Trimmer 135, I know for sure the Trimmer in one slected speed yes you can feather the power like in a petro but on the chainsaws I really never pay attention.
why does a battery saw need a anti vibration system??..
Regulations in public organisations are very strict. I know one where they are not aloud to use a certain product for any longer than 10 mins at a time due to the vibration. World gone mad 😂
I not know exactly but in the case of the MSA300 this saw is very fast and powerful Stihl claims is compared with gás powered 261, so with anti vibration system it with be more confortable for the user.
@@sirvozelo1 ok but an electric motor does not vibrate.
@@mulimuli9844 Not much but still vibrates and in certain situations when you have kickbacks.
@@sirvozelo1 ok i have a husqvarna 540i battery chainsaw. it has not the same power but absolutely no vibration.
This battery chain shaw very weak not strong if you cut much wood battery and chsinshaw die. I have Stihl 880 and Stihl 171 more better
Let's see u cut a 4ft dia. Tree
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Very expensive this battery Stihl chainshaw you have very much money then in UK more more money Than my country you know by 3 many Stihl battery chainshaw but I not know buy
In fact I gave up watching
This saw is junk. I had one for just over a year, it quit oiling the bar sent it off they claimed it needed 'cleaning' yet had to break the whole saw down to do this.. not like I could without voiding warranty. Crap stuff I would avoid stihl in future buy quality like husky instead !
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