If they tried restricting exterior borders, they would immediately be hit with accusations of "racism and being exclusionary." it's all about individual countries trying to protect their own border interests without being labeled as bigots or American.
The vision was never to get overrun by immigrants coming here and trying to impose their culture on us. The goal was to bring them here and for them to assimilate to be like us
@@Alexander-yb1zc Hardly. Much to the disappointment of Brexiters, there were no further waves of EU-xits and even the most traditionally Euroceptic parties, like RN in France or Fratelli in Italy have no desire to follow in the UK's suicide. Unlike the so-called "Global Britain" the rest of the EU understand their outsize influence on the world is reliant on the normative regulatory nature of the EU and as a large single market, which in turn is predicated on integration of these much smaller countries and markets together.
It is, because it would just create knock-ons for the prior transit countries. Migrants wanting to get to Germany from Austria or France, through Italy, would still be stuck in those other countries, and given enough time, will eventually penetrate into Germany regardless.
If Frontex did their job, we wouldn’t be in this crisis. All EU countries should supply manpower and or money, to patrol the external border of the EU.
Frontex is underfunded and limited by law as to what it can do unfortunately. If the EU had the balls to let Frontex do their job freely we would indeed be in a better place right now.
@@westrim Well definitely not violating the Schengen aggrement to benefit your own country that's number one. Also our cities wouldn't be flooded with illegal immigrants from countries that are NOT at war but try to take advantage of the situation to come to the EU freely. Our taxes wouldn't be used to give those illegal immigrants money but instead be used to benefit the economy and the people of the country (Many immigrants have been caught with more than 2000 euros btw). Less fear for terrorist attacks on our cities and lower crime rates. Less people who don't respect a countries culture and try to force islam into the EU (Which is already happening). And many other reasons beyond those.
Had Europe been faster with GEAS (2026) and more stringent, none of this would be an issue 🤷🏻♀️ The outer-borders need to be protected, in order to guarantee free movement through the inner-borders
As a Romanian we want full Schengen access! We are tired of compromises. It's the fault of Western countries for inviting illegal immigrants in the first place! Why do we need to pay for their mistakes?
Let's not do the whole East vs West Europe thing(it's 2024, my best mate is Belarusian and I have great love for the city of Constanța in Romania which I revisit every now and then), I'm pretty sure most of the Western countries populations also didn't want this since it puts them on the backfoot in terms of housing and lower salaries. I can imagine people voting for Merkel also didn't expect her to do her "wir schaffen das" after the elections. Let's work together and fix the issue!
@@frankhuurman3955 Ja, sie hat uns gezwungen diese Leute zu akzeptieren, auch wenn die Mehrheit dagegen war... Ich kann nicht glauben, dass sie so viele Wahlen gewonnen hat, während sie das Land in die aktuelle Krise katapultiert hat... Entweder Energie, Migration oder öffentliche Dienstleistungen, sie hat gescheitert. Als ein 21 Jährige bin ich enttäuscht, weil ich nie die Möglichkeit hatte für diese Sachen zu wählen.
I know Romanians who blame Italy for receiving migrats like if Italy had chosen to receive them... If they randomly show up at you shores there's literally nothing you can do, you can't just send them back because of international law... Romania has the blessing of not having to deal with this problem first-hand
"National borders" is itself a very modern concept. The pass-card, the direct antecedent of the passport (having most of one's information aside from a picture) is only as old as 1850, and that only came into being to regulate the relatively free travel between the states of the German Confederation, which also at the time had their own common currency and customs union, the Zollverein. Passports only became a thing after WW1. Europe has spent most of it's history as relatively porous and murkily defined borders, and during the recent times where borders became hard and fortified, that coincided with enmity and war.
Never. Beef up frontex. Unity over Division. Secure the continent and stop this asylum bs. Help the countries that needed and fight those that allow them to pass to weaken us. We are no help to the world when divided.
Stopping the asylum isn’t enough anymore. Mass deportations are needed of all Islamists and any migrants that refuse to integrate, including revoking citizenship
This will be the end of Europe if it came to pass. We need to strengthen the external border, and seeing how 99% of international refugees are in their relative first neighbouring nations, help create infrastruction in and coperation with the countries that border the Schengen Zone along these routes (if cooperation can be achieved)
I live in The Netherlands near the German border and I have to deal with "security" measures as well. Totally ineffective! There are probably a hundred border crossings to Germany. They only check the major ones. There's only massive traffic jams and damage to the economy.
I had a trip to germany from denmark yesterday. I was mentally prepared for the scary border controlls only for me to get into germsny without realising. There wasnt even a single policeman or a border at app
Schengen failed because the outside border was not strong enough. The weaker the internal borders, the stronger the outside border needs to be. (But the Eurocrats had different plans...)
Lets be real here you have 27 countries each with different needs for success, some need immigration others need financial freedom. The EU experiment needs reform to be more efficient before there is a fundemental fracture as these differences start to wedge the union apart.
These are all economic problems easily solvable by anti corruption campaigns and right management which the eu sourly lacks and trust me the far right does not want Schengen
That assumes that what one country needs does not directly compete with what anther one wants, which is just not the case in practice. Part of why the EU exists in the first place is to mediate the different agenda between countries so that we don't become a fractured blob fighting among ourselves or have big countries in and outside Europe completely dictate what smaller countries do.
@PhthaloJohnson The issue is the complex bureaucracy of the EUmeans that issues are not resolved efficiently. We should get rid of the excess and just have the EU parliament.
The EU either needs to federalize or it will either slowly fail with the current system or fall apart and the EU counties will lose most of their power on the global stage. I wouldn't mind a US like system even if that means giving up our autonomy as a country. Rather live in a prosperous EU than a failing smaller country. But that's just me I guess.
That's precious. If Austria closes its border down then Italy gets strained because they cant send them off to Germany? How about you send every migrant you dont want back to where they came from? That is precisely the problem we have with schengen. Noone cares to secure the outer border because everyone thinks that they can just offload the unwanted migrants to a different EU country.
And what's stopping those migrants from coming right back around? As for not proposing strengthening external borders? The northern Euro countries don't want to be viewed as racists or bigots. Look at how much backlash and international condemnation the border countries face when they tried to send back the tidal waves of migrants Countries like the Netherlands and Germany want to be seen as these open and progressive countries without having to deal with the extra baggage that comes with being all inclusive. Hense the internal line drawing without talking about the base issues.
I speak as a UK Romanian dual national. One one hand Romania is likely going to get full scale Schengen membership along with Bulgaria by the end of the year. On one hand you could call that progress. If the Schengen area doesn't actually work in practice then I can't see the point. Mini Schengen is a half way house and is not exactly the spirit of Schengen at all. Either it works or it doesn't. Either we keep it (with the opt outs) or it's scrapped
The map at the beginning incorrectly included Cyprus in the Schengen zone. Also, it's inaccurate to connect the Schengen zone with the principle of freedom of movement. Freedom of movement refers to the lack of restrictions for EU/EEA nationals to work, study, and reside in different EU/EEA countries, unrelated to whether there are border controls between those countries. E.g. Freedom of movement concerns Ireland and Cyprus as well, although neither of them is in the Schengen zone.
In my opinion, I think the problem is the EU's external border, which isn't well protected. A stronger bárrier, like an electrified wáll could help prevent individuals from certain ideologies, who oppose liberal rights and gender equality, from entering.
The idea of "the EU is showing signs of dysfunction so let's have more EU!" is a hard proposition to sell to the public. It may be right but I'm skeptical people will agree.
@Pasta_Pirate People won't agree, Brexit was a canary in the coal mines. Whilst we can endlessly talk about the duplicitous campaign in the end 30 million people don't vote to leave unless they have significant concerns the believe the EU failed to address.
To be clear, I was recently kn a bus that was stopped between Germany and Poland. They checked people's passports and it took 5 minutes. Crossing between Schengen and non EU Schengen countries can take over 10 hours
Band-aids to treat the symptoms rather than the root cause of the issues; sounds like typical EU behaviour tbh. You guys pretty clearly outline that the issue isn't at all with freedom of movement within the Schengen; it's freedom of movement from those outside the Schengen but it's not very "correct" to say so. Instead of dividing up into mini-Schengens or whatever other hairbrained scheme that won't work they come up with, all they need to do is dedicate resources to protecting the EU border -- presto! no need for inter-EU border controls. But, this is the EU we're talking about. Of course they won't do that. I wonder if in an alternate reality where Brexit didn't happen if they'd be going down this same path though? I feel like Brexit just hardened the EU's resolve to ignore every issue brought up by the Brexit campaign just to 'prove them wrong'...
I don't think that's a good idea. Protect exterior borders. Assist the southern countries if necessary. Most important think imo is bringing rescued people in the Mediterranean Sea back to their point of origin.
Or, you know, just work on enforcing border security in frontier countries in the Mediterranean instead of destroying the Schengen? It's all fine and dandy when something works but the moment something needs fixing people want to jump boat? Crazy.
This mini-Schengen areas concept fits with another similar idea for the EU of the European Union having multiple layers of integration with the bottom layer being the diplomatic form of the 'Council of Europe' and the highest level of integration for some of the European countries choosing to form and be part of a full on European country. I think these types of ideas that allow Europe to be flexible as oppose to the current status quo which makes the Union very rigid and prone to dissolution.
The E.U is trying to model Schengen after the U.S. But the difference is that E.U not also has trouble makers like Orban, But it has much more borders to cover than the U.S. Seems like the border agency isnt ether fully staffed or funded to handle the increase.
@@DennisTheInternationalMenace that isn't even true free movement in the us is not that free there are borders, you realise that Europe as a whole is way smaller than half of America right? That would be like putting borders in every city
So, basically the UK model? Its almost like the UK knew Schengen would lead to issues like this and everyone else ignored us in a poorly thought out rush to enforce 'EU values'.
I am so confused about the amount of people who say that the exterior border isn't strong enough? I have never seen anything that shows that people are sneaking in or anything. The problem we have is that countries are simply not prepared enough to handle asylum seekers and other immigrants, but those people are not just roaming the streets being undocumented, the problems are with the people who try to get through the bureaucracy
No more third world asylum seekers in the first place is precisely what it means. These "asylum seekers" are all just economic migrants, they don't integrate and they don't belong here. Even if YOU think they do, you have no right to impose this drastic cultural change unilaterally on the rest of us who don't, as the Brussels elite have done in the last decade. If you want cultural enrichment, go move yourself to Africa, we don't want Africa here. And the problems of Africa are not our problem. We can't fix the world by taking them, it'll just ruin here too.
I think given the issues with the EU-level government effectiveness, I'd say smaller subdivisions with more autonomy on their border security would improve satisfaction with the union.
We dont need morw decentralization, whole purpose of existince of EU is centralization of european neighbors to prevent different alliances from forming and waging conflict against each other. Do not divide EU
No, enforcing the existing law when it comes to EU border passing and the return and punishment of ppl who cross the border without passports, could save the shengen.
One of the main reasons Europeans support the European Union is having the right to free move. If we have to pay the insane amount we pay to the EU, without having the KEY benefit from it as individuals, what's the point? Even as firms. Imagine the case for Portugal and Spain, isolated from the rest of the continent. Introducing borders with France would stuck even more illegal migrants in their borders, and restrain exterior investment to and from the rest of Europe, since having to wait for border controls would disincentive firms to export and import to and from the peninsula to the continent. This would definitely be a final stab for the EU
The economic benefit is huge and also working and travelling to any EU country without needing any visa is wonderful. Schengen is one of the greatest achievements of the EU and what it needs is a stronger external border that is defended by an EU agency.
Schengen zone in it's current form collapsing would be the beginning of the collapse of the EU to be fair. What EU needs is an ability to throw out nations from the union without it being a unanimous decision... This would help get rid of the few nations like Hungary that are intentionally undermining EU-s security and unity. In addition, more resources need to be given to protecting the external border of the Schengen zone.
No one wants illegal migration. Not Europe, U.S, Canada or Australia. I would just prefer, at this point, freedom of movement visa-free like how it is in Europe and the U.S. I'm tired of going to the U.S and needing to go through border control.
Or they could accept more migrants instead of forcing poorer nations like Turkiye or Pakistan to house millions (especially when those are generally either climate refugees or refugees from wars caused by European/NATO interventions).
It irritates me that in this discussion of reinstating borders, only the business loses are being brought to the table. While giving up on Shengen might mean less profit for businesses, keeping up Shengen means far greater costs for society as a whole. So in total, I’d say reinstate national borders.
@@19Szabolcs91 I don't think that's the case when you counter in the cost in social benefits/security, year over year degrading quality of the education system, rising costs of policing/crime/prisons/justice system, overal loss of faith of a population in your country, etc. Most western countries aren't prepared to handle such a large influx of people who despise western values and institutions. Imo, it's a true disaster...
@@term164 No, but I also don't think most European countries/politicians/people are able to handle the huge societal costs that immigration from MENA-countries bring with it...
Lol the NL wants a mini-Schengen with all their neighbors. So still haven't a single bordercontrol.😂 I swear, if a Netherlander didn't con you, he/she simply forgot it.
It's interesting how we always treat money better than people. Far right, as always, considering human rights (not HRD, but Freedom of Movement) to be second-rate citizen to economic rights.
Im very sorry, but as a channel from a country that lived through brexit, you should know better. You are talking about breaking schengen as something that will undermine the idea of europe, that will be regressive - mate, forget about the idea or the teleology of progress. It would limit trade. It would have a real cost. You lived through brexit. you saw the hidden costs. You saw how it was so much more than undermining ideas and progress to wherever. it wasnt a choice with costs for the future. it was a choice with costs for the present. Same thing here. If we undermine the single market, we will pay the price. Politicians like wilders seem to think they can live with that bill - but the dutch businesses that become less competitive will be the ones to pay it, not wilders himself.
The current Schengen zone allows people including illegal mirgrants to travel right through the EU. And enforce the refugee rules of applying for assistance at the first safe country they enter.
I think what would solve the EUs security crisis would be to actually uphold human rights, and use the common wealths taxes to actually build a country rather than buying children and genocide
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Protecting The exterior borders and coasts would be a better idea than restricting rights of europeans
@@Electricsou1 and you think they will stop at any "European" passing?
The current system is not working
@@rustyrench4278 I wonder why...
If they’ll actually do it.
If they tried restricting exterior borders, they would immediately be hit with accusations of "racism and being exclusionary." it's all about individual countries trying to protect their own border interests without being labeled as bigots or American.
Would totally undermine the European Union Idea/Vision..
That's the plan
The vision was never to get overrun by immigrants coming here and trying to impose their culture on us. The goal was to bring them here and for them to assimilate to be like us
Brexit was the canary in the coal mines on these issues the EU failed to take seriously, leading to all this.
@@Alexander-yb1zc Brexit happened because of dumb nationalism the british people actually hate Brexit so much
@@Alexander-yb1zc Hardly. Much to the disappointment of Brexiters, there were no further waves of EU-xits and even the most traditionally Euroceptic parties, like RN in France or Fratelli in Italy have no desire to follow in the UK's suicide. Unlike the so-called "Global Britain" the rest of the EU understand their outsize influence on the world is reliant on the normative regulatory nature of the EU and as a large single market, which in turn is predicated on integration of these much smaller countries and markets together.
To me this seems like treating a symptom instead of solving the root cause for the problem.
@@CyrusBluebird you're starting to understand the far right
It is, because it would just create knock-ons for the prior transit countries. Migrants wanting to get to Germany from Austria or France, through Italy, would still be stuck in those other countries, and given enough time, will eventually penetrate into Germany regardless.
Because it is
Agree, but it seems nobody wants to tackle the root causes.... Or in many cases, even admit there are root causes.
Genuinely curious, what is the root cause to you?
They’d rather destroy the whole point of the EU instead of just push the boats back and reinforce Greece’s, Spain’s and Bulgaria’s borders🤡
@@Le.soleil these are the far right parties many people voted for
If Frontex did their job, we wouldn’t be in this crisis.
All EU countries should supply manpower and or money, to patrol the external border of the EU.
Frontex is underfunded and limited by law as to what it can do unfortunately. If the EU had the balls to let Frontex do their job freely we would indeed be in a better place right now.
@@Wonder478 What would that look like to you?
@@westrim Well definitely not violating the Schengen aggrement to benefit your own country that's number one. Also our cities wouldn't be flooded with illegal immigrants from countries that are NOT at war but try to take advantage of the situation to come to the EU freely. Our taxes wouldn't be used to give those illegal immigrants money but instead be used to benefit the economy and the people of the country (Many immigrants have been caught with more than 2000 euros btw). Less fear for terrorist attacks on our cities and lower crime rates. Less people who don't respect a countries culture and try to force islam into the EU (Which is already happening). And many other reasons beyond those.
the issue isn't monetary, but rather legal. border guards legally cannot do anything - if they get shot at they literally cannot shoot back
@@SzymonPmc How many shootings were there?
Schengen is maybe the biggest achievement of the eu next to peace. As someone who grew up in a border region, this is just unimaginable.
How about secure eu borders, nah that's too difficult a decision for our milk toast politicians
They don't want to spend the extra money needed to reinforce FRONTEX
@@TheFezTheLord milk toast politicians... Well that's one way to describe it
It is spelt milquetoast.
Had Europe been faster with GEAS (2026) and more stringent, none of this would be an issue 🤷🏻♀️
The outer-borders need to be protected, in order to guarantee free movement through the inner-borders
Had Europeean powers like France and the uk stopped destabilising foreign governments this wouldn't be an issue
This would make the EU a little pointless.
You do realize Schengen isn’t the only thing that makes up the EU agreement right? Love confident ignorants like you, keep trying
@@extrapolate Read carefully and see how they said "a little".
As a Romanian we want full Schengen access! We are tired of compromises. It's the fault of Western countries for inviting illegal immigrants in the first place! Why do we need to pay for their mistakes?
Inviting? You’re joking right?
Let's not do the whole East vs West Europe thing(it's 2024, my best mate is Belarusian and I have great love for the city of Constanța in Romania which I revisit every now and then), I'm pretty sure most of the Western countries populations also didn't want this since it puts them on the backfoot in terms of housing and lower salaries.
I can imagine people voting for Merkel also didn't expect her to do her "wir schaffen das" after the elections.
Let's work together and fix the issue!
@@frankhuurman3955 Ja, sie hat uns gezwungen diese Leute zu akzeptieren, auch wenn die Mehrheit dagegen war... Ich kann nicht glauben, dass sie so viele Wahlen gewonnen hat, während sie das Land in die aktuelle Krise katapultiert hat... Entweder Energie, Migration oder öffentliche Dienstleistungen, sie hat gescheitert. Als ein 21 Jährige bin ich enttäuscht, weil ich nie die Möglichkeit hatte für diese Sachen zu wählen.
I know Romanians who blame Italy for receiving migrats like if Italy had chosen to receive them... If they randomly show up at you shores there's literally nothing you can do, you can't just send them back because of international law... Romania has the blessing of not having to deal with this problem first-hand
@@vincenzoc.1781It's not a blessing, either. You think all those people will stay in Italy after they fill up there?
Once upon a time, these were called "National Borders".
I remember those they would be reformed every 10 mins because europe is an unstable mess with many villains
"National borders" is itself a very modern concept. The pass-card, the direct antecedent of the passport (having most of one's information aside from a picture) is only as old as 1850, and that only came into being to regulate the relatively free travel between the states of the German Confederation, which also at the time had their own common currency and customs union, the Zollverein. Passports only became a thing after WW1. Europe has spent most of it's history as relatively porous and murkily defined borders, and during the recent times where borders became hard and fortified, that coincided with enmity and war.
Borders still exist in their most important capacity... try to cross one and claim sovereignty over that piece of land
Never. Beef up frontex. Unity over Division. Secure the continent and stop this asylum bs. Help the countries that needed and fight those that allow them to pass to weaken us. We are no help to the world when divided.
Stopping the asylum isn’t enough anymore. Mass deportations are needed of all Islamists and any migrants that refuse to integrate, including revoking citizenship
This will be the end of Europe if it came to pass. We need to strengthen the external border, and seeing how 99% of international refugees are in their relative first neighbouring nations, help create infrastruction in and coperation with the countries that border the Schengen Zone along these routes (if cooperation can be achieved)
The Dutch would cry to their government the moment the summer comes and they need to show their passports to go to France and Spain XD
I live in The Netherlands near the German border and I have to deal with "security" measures as well. Totally ineffective! There are probably a hundred border crossings to Germany. They only check the major ones. There's only massive traffic jams and damage to the economy.
Isn’t that just having borders
@@boundlessvoyageur5302 no it's just a "me having my favie bestie you get africans"
I had a trip to germany from denmark yesterday. I was mentally prepared for the scary border controlls only for me to get into germsny without realising. There wasnt even a single policeman or a border at app
Then every single truck leaving the mini area should be inspected at great lengths
Mini Schengen means Schengen is failed
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Schengen failed because the outside border was not strong enough. The weaker the internal borders, the stronger the outside border needs to be. (But the Eurocrats had different plans...)
Lets be real here you have 27 countries each with different needs for success, some need immigration others need financial freedom. The EU experiment needs reform to be more efficient before there is a fundemental fracture as these differences start to wedge the union apart.
These are all economic problems easily solvable by anti corruption campaigns and right management which the eu sourly lacks and trust me the far right does not want Schengen
That assumes that what one country needs does not directly compete with what anther one wants, which is just not the case in practice. Part of why the EU exists in the first place is to mediate the different agenda between countries so that we don't become a fractured blob fighting among ourselves or have big countries in and outside Europe completely dictate what smaller countries do.
@PhthaloJohnson The issue is the complex bureaucracy of the EUmeans that issues are not resolved efficiently. We should get rid of the excess and just have the EU parliament.
@@Alexander-yb1zcThe EP is the most useless organisation of all, without any real power. The Commission and the Council are the most important bodies
The EU either needs to federalize or it will either slowly fail with the current system or fall apart and the EU counties will lose most of their power on the global stage.
I wouldn't mind a US like system even if that means giving up our autonomy as a country.
Rather live in a prosperous EU than a failing smaller country. But that's just me I guess.
This is the stupidest idea they put out yet
That's precious. If Austria closes its border down then Italy gets strained because they cant send them off to Germany? How about you send every migrant you dont want back to where they came from? That is precisely the problem we have with schengen. Noone cares to secure the outer border because everyone thinks that they can just offload the unwanted migrants to a different EU country.
And what's stopping those migrants from coming right back around?
As for not proposing strengthening external borders? The northern Euro countries don't want to be viewed as racists or bigots. Look at how much backlash and international condemnation the border countries face when they tried to send back the tidal waves of migrants Countries like the Netherlands and Germany want to be seen as these open and progressive countries without having to deal with the extra baggage that comes with being all inclusive. Hense the internal line drawing without talking about the base issues.
I actually like that Baltics + Finland map you did on the thumbnail 😮👍
I recieved my allience poster yesterday🙌
I speak as a UK Romanian dual national. One one hand Romania is likely going to get full scale Schengen membership along with Bulgaria by the end of the year. On one hand you could call that progress.
If the Schengen area doesn't actually work in practice then I can't see the point.
Mini Schengen is a half way house and is not exactly the spirit of Schengen at all. Either it works or it doesn't. Either we keep it (with the opt outs) or it's scrapped
The map at the beginning incorrectly included Cyprus in the Schengen zone.
Also, it's inaccurate to connect the Schengen zone with the principle of freedom of movement. Freedom of movement refers to the lack of restrictions for EU/EEA nationals to work, study, and reside in different EU/EEA countries, unrelated to whether there are border controls between those countries. E.g. Freedom of movement concerns Ireland and Cyprus as well, although neither of them is in the Schengen zone.
EU wide migration policy might be a solution
How about we have free travel between all countries? A schengen for the whole world.
In my opinion, I think the problem is the EU's external border, which isn't well protected. A stronger bárrier, like an electrified wáll could help prevent individuals from certain ideologies, who oppose liberal rights and gender equality, from entering.
Apart from the eastern border with Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus, the rest of the border is on bodies of water. So how could a “wall” help?
Which certain ideologies specifically?
@@Alexander-yb1zcI think it's the one that starts with an N and ends with an I
@@FDafieno he means shooting the boats
Right cause building an "electrified wall" around Europe to keep Muslims out sounds positively liberal and enlightened.
Is the mini-schengen idea to keep the migrants inside that zone?
Viktor Orban should ship them all to Brussels.
Name one EU problem that wouldn't be solved by making EU more federalized
Decentralization
*Gestures at European history*
The idea of "the EU is showing signs of dysfunction so let's have more EU!" is a hard proposition to sell to the public. It may be right but I'm skeptical people will agree.
the gradual destruction of freedom of opinion in Germany
@Pasta_Pirate People won't agree, Brexit was a canary in the coal mines. Whilst we can endlessly talk about the duplicitous campaign in the end 30 million people don't vote to leave unless they have significant concerns the believe the EU failed to address.
Geert immediately starts splitting EU apart as was his agenda from the start.
To be clear, I was recently kn a bus that was stopped between Germany and Poland. They checked people's passports and it took 5 minutes. Crossing between Schengen and non EU Schengen countries can take over 10 hours
Band-aids to treat the symptoms rather than the root cause of the issues; sounds like typical EU behaviour tbh. You guys pretty clearly outline that the issue isn't at all with freedom of movement within the Schengen; it's freedom of movement from those outside the Schengen but it's not very "correct" to say so. Instead of dividing up into mini-Schengens or whatever other hairbrained scheme that won't work they come up with, all they need to do is dedicate resources to protecting the EU border -- presto! no need for inter-EU border controls.
But, this is the EU we're talking about. Of course they won't do that. I wonder if in an alternate reality where Brexit didn't happen if they'd be going down this same path though? I feel like Brexit just hardened the EU's resolve to ignore every issue brought up by the Brexit campaign just to 'prove them wrong'...
I don't think that's a good idea. Protect exterior borders. Assist the southern countries if necessary. Most important think imo is bringing rescued people in the Mediterranean Sea back to their point of origin.
Mini Schengen zones. You know, like. The Germany zone, the Luxembourg zone, the Andorra zone. . .
TLDR treating Ireland as if its part of the UK in its graphics *again*.
Or, you know, just work on enforcing border security in frontier countries in the Mediterranean instead of destroying the Schengen? It's all fine and dandy when something works but the moment something needs fixing people want to jump boat? Crazy.
They'd work as well as Germany restricting travel between bavaria and the rest of the country.
This mini-Schengen areas concept fits with another similar idea for the EU of the European Union having multiple layers of integration with the bottom layer being the diplomatic form of the 'Council of Europe' and the highest level of integration for some of the European countries choosing to form and be part of a full on European country.
I think these types of ideas that allow Europe to be flexible as oppose to the current status quo which makes the Union very rigid and prone to dissolution.
Yeah trust me it all starts like this, fortress europe will return
The E.U is trying to model Schengen after the U.S. But the difference is that E.U not also has trouble makers like Orban, But it has much more borders to cover than the U.S. Seems like the border agency isnt ether fully staffed or funded to handle the increase.
@@DennisTheInternationalMenace that isn't even true free movement in the us is not that free there are borders, you realise that Europe as a whole is way smaller than half of America right? That would be like putting borders in every city
So, basically the UK model? Its almost like the UK knew Schengen would lead to issues like this and everyone else ignored us in a poorly thought out rush to enforce 'EU values'.
Irregular migration isn't that just illegal migration by a different name
Yeah, it's called propaganda.
That is totally pointless.
1:59 that is false, Romania and Bulgaria are not yet fully in Schengen zone
Oh yes, let's make smaller EUs within the EU, and then even smaller EUs within these EUs! Wait, didn't we ... have exactly that ... before the EU?
I am so confused about the amount of people who say that the exterior border isn't strong enough? I have never seen anything that shows that people are sneaking in or anything. The problem we have is that countries are simply not prepared enough to handle asylum seekers and other immigrants, but those people are not just roaming the streets being undocumented, the problems are with the people who try to get through the bureaucracy
No more third world asylum seekers in the first place is precisely what it means. These "asylum seekers" are all just economic migrants, they don't integrate and they don't belong here. Even if YOU think they do, you have no right to impose this drastic cultural change unilaterally on the rest of us who don't, as the Brussels elite have done in the last decade. If you want cultural enrichment, go move yourself to Africa, we don't want Africa here. And the problems of Africa are not our problem. We can't fix the world by taking them, it'll just ruin here too.
I don't think freedom of movement should mean immunity from passport checks, however people should still be able to work and move between countries
I think given the issues with the EU-level government effectiveness, I'd say smaller subdivisions with more autonomy on their border security would improve satisfaction with the union.
Against freedom of movement, idiotic
The EU will do anything but admit and adress the root of the problem
Italy was also a member of the European Economic Community
The free movement inside the EU is what attracts tallent to the EU. Please don't kill it.
We dont need morw decentralization, whole purpose of existince of EU is centralization of european neighbors to prevent different alliances from forming and waging conflict against each other. Do not divide EU
A lot of people voted for the far right... This is just a beginning
@@fesyuki-kun2332 Those people are biggots and shouldn't be allowed to participate in politics
bulgaria and romania are in the eu but arent in the shengen
They are in Schengen, since March 31, 2024, for journeys by sea and air.
This would defeat the whole purpose of the EU. We need to patrol our borders. An EU border patrol... imagine. But it's a dream. A futile one.
No, enforcing the existing law when it comes to EU border passing and the return and punishment of ppl who cross the border without passports, could save the shengen.
How do you punish people crossing borders without passports? Most of these people come from war-torn countries, and they have nothing to lose
controversial is that u risk stragetic partnerships for regional useless ones.....
@2 minutes. The whole of the EU, except syprus and Ireland,
what about Romania and Bulgaria?
Oops
One of the main reasons Europeans support the European Union is having the right to free move. If we have to pay the insane amount we pay to the EU, without having the KEY benefit from it as individuals, what's the point? Even as firms. Imagine the case for Portugal and Spain, isolated from the rest of the continent. Introducing borders with France would stuck even more illegal migrants in their borders, and restrain exterior investment to and from the rest of Europe, since having to wait for border controls would disincentive firms to export and import to and from the peninsula to the continent. This would definitely be a final stab for the EU
Hungary Not let in Russian spies ? Germany leaves chat.
border checks between Hungary and Czech republic, although they are keeping the migrants out
Terrible idea and a total destruction of the single best part of the EU.
The nation-states are so back baby!
yeah i dont think anyone wants too do this with sweden :(
Boarders are annoying
This is a bad idea. We should just strengthen the actual borders and let Europeans be free.
Another speculative piece instead of actual news. I think I'm done with this channel.
Europe rediscovers that the best way to protect citizens from outside threats is with borders.
It’s almost as if having open boarders is an insane idea.
The economic benefit is huge and also working and travelling to any EU country without needing any visa is wonderful. Schengen is one of the greatest achievements of the EU and what it needs is a stronger external border that is defended by an EU agency.
Romania is still not part of schengen
Yeah, bs
Schengen zone in it's current form collapsing would be the beginning of the collapse of the EU to be fair. What EU needs is an ability to throw out nations from the union without it being a unanimous decision... This would help get rid of the few nations like Hungary that are intentionally undermining EU-s security and unity. In addition, more resources need to be given to protecting the external border of the Schengen zone.
No one wants illegal migration. Not Europe, U.S, Canada or Australia. I would just prefer, at this point, freedom of movement visa-free like how it is in Europe and the U.S. I'm tired of going to the U.S and needing to go through border control.
Or they could accept more migrants instead of forcing poorer nations like Turkiye or Pakistan to house millions (especially when those are generally either climate refugees or refugees from wars caused by European/NATO interventions).
It irritates me that in this discussion of reinstating borders, only the business loses are being brought to the table. While giving up on Shengen might mean less profit for businesses, keeping up Shengen means far greater costs for society as a whole. So in total, I’d say reinstate national borders.
That means a slow dissolution of the EU. You really think each country on it's own is stronger than a united EU ?
Society greatly benefits from fast travel between countries. It's the number 1 best part of the EU.
@@19Szabolcs91 I don't think that's the case when you counter in the cost in social benefits/security, year over year degrading quality of the education system, rising costs of policing/crime/prisons/justice system, overal loss of faith of a population in your country, etc.
Most western countries aren't prepared to handle such a large influx of people who despise western values and institutions. Imo, it's a true disaster...
@@term164 No, but I also don't think most European countries/politicians/people are able to handle the huge societal costs that immigration from MENA-countries bring with it...
0:10 HRE much?
Lol welcome to the coastal feuds of America
illegal migration not irregular migration
what we need is not more division, we need a federation, a force to be reckoned with and who will have enough power to solve our problems
Completely incorrect, thats socialism 🤣
*reckoned with
@@Alexander-yb1zc thanks for the correction
@@gtrdxz International cooperation and ideology are two different things
@@gtrdxz what...
Lol the NL wants a mini-Schengen with all their neighbors. So still haven't a single bordercontrol.😂 I swear, if a Netherlander didn't con you, he/she simply forgot it.
Shit, you're on to us...😂
@@_Nibloke_ makes you question them even more huh
What is wrong with Cameroon🇨🇲? The African continent is united on this why are y'all holding back?
It's interesting how we always treat money better than people. Far right, as always, considering human rights (not HRD, but Freedom of Movement) to be second-rate citizen to economic rights.
"Security Crisis"
Wtf are you on about Jesus Christ
at this point just go back to regular country borders
@@demitskill9103 Ahh yeah Europe borders you guys miss the iron curtain so much
Hope you don't mind all your fruit and vegetables shooting up in price while also arriving near-spoiled.
Irregular migration lol😂😂😂
Alternative title: Government promises to ensure the security of the border.... even though they didnt last time 😂
Im very sorry, but as a channel from a country that lived through brexit, you should know better. You are talking about breaking schengen as something that will undermine the idea of europe, that will be regressive - mate, forget about the idea or the teleology of progress. It would limit trade. It would have a real cost. You lived through brexit. you saw the hidden costs. You saw how it was so much more than undermining ideas and progress to wherever. it wasnt a choice with costs for the future. it was a choice with costs for the present. Same thing here. If we undermine the single market, we will pay the price. Politicians like wilders seem to think they can live with that bill - but the dutch businesses that become less competitive will be the ones to pay it, not wilders himself.
Illegal immigration, stop sayong irregular
This is gust stupid😢
Lol no eu doomed
The current Schengen zone allows people including illegal mirgrants to travel right through the EU. And enforce the refugee rules of applying for assistance at the first safe country they enter.
That's not Schengen's fault that's the eu countries basically not having borders around an "eu zone"
@@fesyuki-kun2332 I’m pretty sure Greece did yet they sent every refugee into France and Germany.
@@csvickers151 Greece is in its own bubble it isn't connected on mainland to Schengen so they can't just pump refugees
@@fesyuki-kun2332 Greece is both in the EU and Schengen.
@@csvickers151 don't immigrants go through Bulgaria anyways? Why would they go to Greece?
Its always more of the thing causing the issue...
@@reheyesd8666 Far right parties in a nutshell
Your picture Norway isnt part of the EU
It's the Shenghen area not the EU area
I think what would solve the EUs security crisis would be to actually uphold human rights, and use the common wealths taxes to actually build a country rather than buying children and genocide
Mini-zones... maybe countries? 🤦♂️
Bring back national sovereignty.
National sovereignty? Who colonized the eu?
@@fesyuki-kun2332 A group of people that start with a J