Very tight setup I really like the Mazak it appears to be great versatile piece of equipment. It might be helpful to have a live video feed for yourself when you need to close the doors and run a manual operation. From our perspective it was a great view when you were boring the steady rest jaws.
Fascinating work and don`t concern oneself as if one forgets the terminology of both the part and machine. I believe we all whom watch know just what one is trying to get over to the viewer. As I say I`m fascinated with both the video , your enthusiasm, efforts and the especially I enjoy sounds (MUSIC) of the tools cutting away the material. Thanks, take care.
G’day Peter. As always, I really enjoy watching your workflow. Without a doubt, you’re one of the best CNC machinists on RUclips. Wish I was 1/4 as good. Cheers 🍻 Aaron
Greetings from Oz Happy new year Peter The heavy feed at the start was right on the edge of possible. It had me guessing! As usual you pulled it off :)
This part has been absolutely fascinating to me it's been interesting to watch you come up with solutions to a is to a plethora of scenarios. Thank you for making These interesting videos.
With all the amazing things this machine can do and what you do with it sure is a bummer when something so simple holds things up like tailstock travel and x axis travel
That's because this machine assumes you're gonna put the steady rest in the middle of the part, and extra long work at that. Fair enough logic assumptions from Mazak I guess. But you know, reasons, and now we're having to make do with that part and odd shape. ;) I just wonder if the way covers are a byproduct of the real tailstock limit underneath or not. Because if they can come off, can the tailstock come closer? Seems a bit stupid to take those covers off, but you never know, if an additional reason arises.
The first few passes with the feed mill seemed rough, maybe just the way the camera was mounted, or the missing chamfer. Great content, thanks for making this!
another great video Peter! I have to admit that the first milling operation fooled me a bit as I thought that the "overhang" on the steady rest was too much and I thought that you'd have way too much chatter. Especially with that large diameter cutter. But it did fine. I'm looking forward to the next video and the horizontal boring on those bosses. Thanks for sharing
Great video 👍If you cut the the tail end milling cut outs plug end then you could make a jig for drilling out those two flange holes , that would be a roughing op for volume batches.I suspect that was how it was done in the past.
I thought to put it on my horizontal mill. But I’m running a job I can’t interrupt there. I did take the jaw tips off so the tools would not hit them while machining.
Im probably going to come off as very arrogent .but purhaps a rudamentory 2ndary steady rest. jack stands and what not. Im in a whole different ballgame. Thanks for sharing
We use SolidCam, and the other day our 5 axis crashed because not every move is accounted for in the machine simulation. Between program segments it decided to do a clearance move straight into the plane platter while it was tipped up in 90 degrees. Wasn't shown anywhere in our simulation software. We had to get new linear ways for the Z and a total machine alignment done.
I know it wasn't really the focus of this video, but I really liked the machining strategy for relieving the steady rest. Those high feed cutters with small depth of cut seem really neat, and I liked how you had the head at an angle to get a good cutting speed on your ball nose tools. How "automatic" is that kind of tool path in the software? Maybe in terms of how long it took to program that roughing and finishing operation. 3D printing is really neat because the software does so much for you, and most of the time you will at least get an OK result using the computer's defaults. I'm wondering how close we are to getting that sort of performance out of CAM packages. I'm going to be starting a graduate degree soon studying machine tools, and it seems like the software driving the gcode generation is the main thing holding back some sort of easy, subtractive version of 3D printing. Something accessible to people without CAM training. Keep up the excellent videos!
@@EdgePrecision I've used some CAM software in the past, so I know there're tons of buttons and knobs to twist to get what you want. Just interesting to think about how we can work on making these things more automatic in the future.
You have a few hundred people in a tin can slamming down on it 10 times a day you would want to spend the money to get it right. This focus quality is pretty confidence inspiring.
Awesome work! I have an integrex i100st and really appreciate seeing all of the cool videos that you post of unique setups and operations. I think you said that you made the steady rest. If so, do you have any content or video of that build? Regardless, thanks for the great videos!
Hey Peter, I really enjoy your content. Nice job. I have one question: if the problem was the distance between steady rest and tailstock, could a longer plug as you called it have worked? It me this seems as a easier solution if it would work
@@EdgePrecision Also a longer plug would mean a (somewhat) longer moment arm, so the part could deflect (bend) more under pressure. This way minimizes the stick-out of the end support to the actual part.
I gess the only other thing u could've done is made a longer plug to space your tailstock back just a thought but u would still need your relief on the steady rest tho ..
Thanks Christian. In this particular video. When I showed the Cam simulation. If you looked in the upper left of that window. You can actually see the speed and feed.
How long did it take you to get all of the pieces together and prove out the program before you started production? I hope you get more of these from Centerline to help amortize the expense. Great work as always.
Awesome job Peter! What tool path did you use to rough,as well as finish with? Also would love to see a video on how you machine those types of soft jaws..
The roughing was just Z level roughing. The finishing was split into two different strategies. Flow line for the chamfers and Z level for the face. To get the tool to come in at a angle it all is place on a work plane at that angle.
The first few cuts of the feedmill were not correct because of the incorrect stock definition (the large chamfer) in the cam software. Remember I mentioned it in the video.
Thanks for another interesting video, always excited to see a new one up! Was curious how you set up the boring head to a specific diameter? Did you run a test cut and adjust from there? Or is there a technique for setting it up out of the machine spindle?
I have a Speroni tool setter. I use it for my horizontal mills tools. I set the diameter on it. But it could be done at the machine by taking a test cut and adjusting from there.
Aloha Peter! You a master of your craft! Thank you for your videos. I have a potential stupid question, but in regards to the matter of quill travel, is it possible to make/buy a longer tailstock quill? Or is more efficient to make adapters as needed?
This would have solved the tailstock issue. But there would still be the clearance problem of the boss and the less than optimal jaw position of the steady rest. Milling the clearance in the steady rest base solved both issues.
I will bet it took a lot of time to set all that up and simulate it. Do you have to set the angle of the head and then simulate it to see if it clears? Then go back and reprogram with a different angle and check it again? Or did you just get lucky the first time? Charles
At some point in time after doing it many times. You learn what works. So you can get very close the first time. It doesn’t take long to simulate on the computer. Just think if you had to actually run the program and watch the machine to detect a collision problem.
This would have solved the tailstock issue. But there would still be the clearance problem of the boss and the less than optimal jaw position of the steady rest. Milling the clearance in the steady rest base solved both issues.
This could be possible.But the jaws of this steady rest won’t pass by the flange on the part. Even when they are backed off to the end of their travel. So I would have to unmount the part to do it. This would create a possible miss alignment between un-chucking and re-chucking the part. And re-indicating the C zero. Also this would still not have solved the clearance problem with the part and the steady rest.
@@TheFeller1554 Yes that would have been possible. I just did it that way for the purpose of the video. But there would still be clearance issues on the bottom of the Y axis way covers and the top of the steady rest. In fact I think I mentioned that I changed the angle of the tool in the video for that reason. Otherwise it would have collided with it.
I needed to move the steady jaws forward to a better location on the part. The longer plug would work for the tailstock but not the steady rest. So what I did here solves both issues. Thanks.
The longer plug would solve the tailstock issue but it doesn't solve the close clearance of the boss to the steady rest or move the steady's jaws to s more favorable position. Doing this solves both issues at once. And doesn't change the function of the steady rest at all. in fact it makes it more universal to other jobs.
Hey Peter, have you thought about getting a newer model of machine? i saw Integrex Smooth-Ai and seem awesome, i know its expensive but do you think its worth it? would you get one?
Centerline here has a newer smaller one. If your running Mazatrol programs the newer control is better. But other than that it runs pretty much the same. If they made the e670 with more X minus travel that would be a big improvement.
Are you referring to the 1/8" 45 degree chamfers around the part? If so that's the way I modeled it. It takes off the sharp edges and makes it a little safer to work around in the machine. And it just looks better than sharp edges.
I remember seeing in a past video you said you installed a different chuc on your machine. What brand is it? We have a hurco tm18li with an 18" hydraulic 3 jaw. However a manual 4 jaw would be better suited for our work.
@@EdgePrecision ah ok I've looked at those. What spindle nose does the mazak have? The hurco is an a2-15 which has been a little bit of an odd duck it seems.
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That would solve the tailstock issue. But still not the steady rest issue. I would have to move the steady to the right even more. To get a little more clearance. The jaws would be overhanging the threads relief even more. What I did in this video solved both issues, with the steady and tail stock. Thanks.
The famous words of every machinist. “Let me open the doors and see what I did”
Super video from a master of his craft. Keep them coming Peter they are very much appreciated 👍
Peter- absolut perfect! I love your channel👍🏻. You are a master👍🏻🙋♂️. Greetings from a mechanic 🔧 from Switzerland 🇨🇭
that ball end mill sounds like music
that first cut had me spill my drink through my nose. this moment of instant terror :D
Machining recital starts at 10:02 then lasts 13:02 . Cool video again. Thanks a lot Peter. Best regards.
Very tight setup I really like the Mazak it appears to be great versatile piece of equipment. It might be helpful to have a live video feed for yourself when you need to close the doors and run a manual operation. From our perspective it was a great view when you were boring the steady rest jaws.
Hello Peter,
Your problem solving and set ups are to be admired.
Thank you very much for taking the time to share it with us.
very good job peter...thans for your time
👍 thanks for sharing Peter. Can't get enough of your vast knowledge, tip, and tricks.
Thanks Peter for posting this video on a nice Saturday weather.
Fascinating work and don`t concern oneself as if one forgets the terminology of both the part and machine. I believe we all whom watch know just what one is trying to get over to the viewer. As I say I`m fascinated with both the video , your enthusiasm, efforts and the especially I enjoy sounds (MUSIC) of the tools cutting away the material. Thanks, take care.
The sounds made are like being in an MRI machine. Love your videos.
Thunder Struck! By the program, the programmer, and the machine. And then Peter comes in with a good ole fashion hand file. Couldn't get any better.
My 30 year old CAT 40 would be screaming with that long face mill in it. So cool watching bigger connections do work.
Fantastic as always Peter, and everytime i watch your videos im still just as jealous about the integrex.
I really like the aesthetic of the brass/bronze nuts on your custom steady rest.
finish ruffing mill left looked cool - art
Engineering + Design + Experience = Tool Maker. Excellent work.
Amazing content, I’ve been watching your videos since the beginning and I greatly appreciate them!
could have maybe made a different plug but this is definetly the right way to do it. i always learn a lot from your videos.
G’day Peter. As always, I really enjoy watching your workflow. Without a doubt, you’re one of the best CNC machinists on RUclips. Wish I was 1/4 as good. Cheers 🍻 Aaron
Awesome job Peter!
Greetings from Oz
Happy new year Peter
The heavy feed at the start was right on the edge of possible.
It had me guessing! As usual you pulled it off :)
This part has been absolutely fascinating to me it's been interesting to watch you come up with solutions to a is to a plethora of scenarios. Thank you for making These interesting videos.
just found this channel cant stop watching thank you
Great job
Love your explanation
I really enjoy all your videos especially with the Integrex. I’d love a detailed video of your shop made steady rest. The more detail the better.
Thanks I will keep that in mind to show in a future video.
That first pass while cutting scared me a little bit. Love the video!
That was because of that large chamfer I mentioned in the cam software. That wasn’t in the actual part.
@@EdgePrecision oh that makes sense now.
With all the amazing things this machine can do and what you do with it sure is a bummer when something so simple holds things up like tailstock travel and x axis travel
Everything has its limitations. You just have to work with them.
That's because this machine assumes you're gonna put the steady rest in the middle of the part, and extra long work at that. Fair enough logic assumptions from Mazak I guess. But you know, reasons, and now we're having to make do with that part and odd shape. ;)
I just wonder if the way covers are a byproduct of the real tailstock limit underneath or not. Because if they can come off, can the tailstock come closer? Seems a bit stupid to take those covers off, but you never know, if an additional reason arises.
Great video, sometimes you just have to do whatever it takes to get the job done right, well filmed and thanks for sharing 👍
Agree with Peter - absolutely the Best Machining content on utube. Disregard any negative comments. Great content. P
Looking forward to your coolant driven spindle!
That was cool machining footage. Nice tools you have.
The first few passes with the feed mill seemed rough, maybe just the way the camera was mounted, or the missing chamfer. Great content, thanks for making this!
Remember I mentioned the large chamfer on the stock model in the cam software? That’s what caused it.
another great video Peter! I have to admit that the first milling operation fooled me a bit as I thought that the "overhang" on the steady rest was too much and I thought that you'd have way too much chatter. Especially with that large diameter cutter. But it did fine. I'm looking forward to the next video and the horizontal boring on those bosses. Thanks for sharing
My CNC retrofitted manual mill could probably fit inside your Integrex, but I have the same Iscar boring head ! Makes me feel like a pro :D
Dear Peter, like always thanks for great video, I'm using TNG also, so any material with Esprit makes me happy
Id have said make a longer plug but your way works too and has a few benefits!
Thank you, Peter
Great video 👍If you cut the the tail end milling cut outs plug end then you could make a jig for drilling out those two flange holes , that would be a roughing op for volume batches.I suspect that was how it was done in the past.
Layout fluid is a fun tool.
Always good stuff!
Thanks Peter! :)
Getting it done!
Perfect.
Thank you, love to see all the details. Did you think about taking the steady ready apart for machining ? I guess no reason to?
I thought to put it on my horizontal mill. But I’m running a job I can’t interrupt there. I did take the jaw tips off so the tools would not hit them while machining.
Im probably going to come off as very arrogent .but purhaps a rudamentory 2ndary steady rest. jack stands and what not. Im in a whole different ballgame. Thanks for sharing
We use SolidCam, and the other day our 5 axis crashed because not every move is accounted for in the machine simulation. Between program segments it decided to do a clearance move straight into the plane platter while it was tipped up in 90 degrees. Wasn't shown anywhere in our simulation software.
We had to get new linear ways for the Z and a total machine alignment done.
Even though Esprit TNG is expensive it would have detected that. I will bet the repair costs more than the software.
I know it wasn't really the focus of this video, but I really liked the machining strategy for relieving the steady rest. Those high feed cutters with small depth of cut seem really neat, and I liked how you had the head at an angle to get a good cutting speed on your ball nose tools.
How "automatic" is that kind of tool path in the software? Maybe in terms of how long it took to program that roughing and finishing operation.
3D printing is really neat because the software does so much for you, and most of the time you will at least get an OK result using the computer's defaults. I'm wondering how close we are to getting that sort of performance out of CAM packages. I'm going to be starting a graduate degree soon studying machine tools, and it seems like the software driving the gcode generation is the main thing holding back some sort of easy, subtractive version of 3D printing. Something accessible to people without CAM training.
Keep up the excellent videos!
There is nothing really totally automatic about this kind of software. There are many more variables than 3D printing.
@@EdgePrecision I've used some CAM software in the past, so I know there're tons of buttons and knobs to twist to get what you want. Just interesting to think about how we can work on making these things more automatic in the future.
Beautiful work.
These parts look so insanely expensive. lol.. Great project.
You have a few hundred people in a tin can slamming down on it 10 times a day you would want to spend the money to get it right. This focus quality is pretty confidence inspiring.
Could you not have turned the steady reset 180%? Thank you for ALL your time that you put into this.
No it’s not symmetrically shaped. It won’t fit in the mount.
@@EdgePrecision Thanks. I wasn't sure. We couldn't see the bottom of the rest.
good job!! thnks for sharing
Lots of thinking when your a Machinist.
Mitico!!!!!!
Are you referring to translating the English to another language? This is something I need to learn more about. Thanks!
Awesome work!
I have an integrex i100st and really appreciate seeing all of the cool videos that you post of unique setups and operations.
I think you said that you made the steady rest.
If so, do you have any content or video of that build?
Regardless, thanks for the great videos!
Unfortunately that was done before I started making RUclips videos. Sorry.
Hey Peter, I really enjoy your content. Nice job. I have one question: if the problem was the distance between steady rest and tailstock, could a longer plug as you called it have worked? It me this seems as a easier solution if it would work
That would solve the tailstock issue. But not the steady rest issue I didn’t like. This solved both.
@@EdgePrecision Also a longer plug would mean a (somewhat) longer moment arm, so the part could deflect (bend) more under pressure. This way minimizes the stick-out of the end support to the actual part.
I gess the only other thing u could've done is made a longer plug to space your tailstock back just a thought but u would still need your relief on the steady rest tho ..
Is that part of an landing strut? Or can you say. Understand if you can't. Nice steady rest.
Yes it is.
hey sir peter .. just a little suggestion, can you also include all the cutting parameters while the machining process is being captured.
Thanks Christian. In this particular video. When I showed the Cam simulation. If you looked in the upper left of that window. You can actually see the speed and feed.
How long did it take you to get all of the pieces together and prove out the program before you started production? I hope you get more of these from Centerline to help amortize the expense. Great work as always.
Awesome job Peter!
What tool path did you use to rough,as well as finish with?
Also would love to see a video on how you machine those types of soft jaws..
The roughing was just Z level roughing. The finishing was split into two different strategies. Flow line for the chamfers and Z level for the face. To get the tool to come in at a angle it all is place on a work plane at that angle.
12:03 Sounds like a WHO album track from the 70's. lol
Thats the one I was trying to think of......"Won't Get Fooled Again"
@@carabela125 HaHa was still editing my post, wifey downstairs was actually watching an old episode. srtange world. lol
Starts at 12:35. Peterhas started a new musical trend. lol
I have no trouble admitting to puckering up pretty hard after the first pass on the steady rest 😦
The first few cuts of the feedmill were not correct because of the incorrect stock definition (the large chamfer) in the cam software. Remember I mentioned it in the video.
@@EdgePrecision I remember you mentioning it, but it surprised me just the same. I'm impressed that the tool survived.
@@jimsvideos7201 I slowed the feed down for those passes. Or it wouldn’t have made it.
Once again great video peter!
Did you get the 3D for your steady rest on the internet or you made it yourself?
No I designed it myself.
@@EdgePrecision outstanding work! Getting a e500h myself might want to do the same
Thanks for another interesting video, always excited to see a new one up! Was curious how you set up the boring head to a specific diameter? Did you run a test cut and adjust from there? Or is there a technique for setting it up out of the machine spindle?
I have a Speroni tool setter. I use it for my horizontal mills tools. I set the diameter on it. But it could be done at the machine by taking a test cut and adjusting from there.
@@EdgePrecision Oh yes I’d forgotten about your tool setter
Aloha Peter! You a master of your craft! Thank you for your videos. I have a potential stupid question, but in regards to the matter of quill travel, is it possible to make/buy a longer tailstock quill? Or is more efficient to make adapters as needed?
It is possible to change the center in the quill to a longer one. The one I have in it is longer than normal. But to change the quill itself no.
Awesome
Could you have made a thicker end piece to bring the tail stock in closer?
Yes but that doesn’t solve the issue with the steady rest jaws and the clearance on the boss. So this way it solves both issues.
Change coolant :) for neutral color, like water
My first thought was make a longer 'centering cup/plug', would that have worked?
This would have solved the tailstock issue. But there would still be the clearance problem of the boss and the less than optimal jaw position of the steady rest. Milling the clearance in the steady rest base solved both issues.
around 30:10 is it likely you chipped the insert impacting the bottom jaw as the spindle spun up?
The insert I started was quite dull from a previous job.
I will bet it took a lot of time to set all that up and simulate it. Do you have to set the angle of the head and then simulate it to see if it clears? Then go back and reprogram with a different angle and check it again? Or did you just get lucky the first time? Charles
At some point in time after doing it many times. You learn what works. So you can get very close the first time. It doesn’t take long to simulate on the computer. Just think if you had to actually run the program and watch the machine to detect a collision problem.
Those look like landing gear for aircraft.
Yes that’s what they are.
Is there any reason you couldn't have just made a longer plug that the tail stock could engage to?
This would have solved the tailstock issue. But there would still be the clearance problem of the boss and the less than optimal jaw position of the steady rest. Milling the clearance in the steady rest base solved both issues.
actualy we can create musics from g code, 12:35
are you sure you are charging enough
Hey Peter is there any chance of changing out your tailstock center to a longer one? The recessed steadyrest job was excellent and executed well sir
The center in the tailstock is a longer than normal one.
@@EdgePrecision dang so close. Mazak should get another design innovation award for the way covers.
Could you have just made a slightly thicker plug?
For the tail center, yes. But that would not solve the issue with the steady rest. This way solved both.
I was wondering, what you didn't move the steady father from the main spindle to make more clearance for the tool?
Yes I could have done that. But I wanted to demonstrate this for the video.
Why couldn't you move the steady rest to another position to give you clearance for the machining then move it back?
This could be possible.But the jaws of this steady rest won’t pass by the flange on the part. Even when they are backed off to the end of their travel. So I would have to unmount the part to do it. This would create a possible miss alignment between un-chucking and re-chucking the part. And re-indicating the C zero. Also this would still not have solved the clearance problem with the part and the steady rest.
@@EdgePrecision I meant for the relief machining of the steady rest.
@@TheFeller1554 Yes that would have been possible. I just did it that way for the purpose of the video. But there would still be clearance issues on the bottom of the Y axis way covers and the top of the steady rest. In fact I think I mentioned that I changed the angle of the tool in the video for that reason. Otherwise it would have collided with it.
Ok. Im just 3minuts in the video, but.... wouldnt be easier to make longer end plug? So you get enough space for all that?
I needed to move the steady jaws forward to a better location on the part. The longer plug would work for the tailstock but not the steady rest. So what I did here solves both issues. Thanks.
Why couldn’t you make a longer plug?
The longer plug would solve the tailstock issue but it doesn't solve the close clearance of the boss to the steady rest or move the steady's jaws to s more favorable position. Doing this solves both issues at once. And doesn't change the function of the steady rest at all. in fact it makes it more universal to other jobs.
Hey Peter, have you thought about getting a newer model of machine? i saw Integrex Smooth-Ai and seem awesome, i know its expensive but do you think its worth it? would you get one?
Centerline here has a newer smaller one. If your running Mazatrol programs the newer control is better. But other than that it runs pretty much the same. If they made the e670 with more X minus travel that would be a big improvement.
12:32 ? the corners.... was that on purpose? if so why ?
Are you referring to the 1/8" 45 degree chamfers around the part? If so that's the way I modeled it. It takes off the sharp edges and makes it a little safer to work around in the machine. And it just looks better than sharp edges.
You made a plug could you not have made a longer plug? Obviously you have got the better long term solution but in a pinch.
what is the name / type of the first tool?
The first tool is a Iscar 1.0" diam. high feed mill.
Are the tolerances on the drill and boring ops tight? Do you think you could do it manually when everything else is done?
Yes the bored holes have a very close tolerance. Less than .001”. It would make no sense to move the part to a manual machine to do it.
@@EdgePrecision i see, well thats out of the table, tx for the info edge, love your problem solving skills👍
This machine is so rigid compared to my haas it's night and day.
Hiya Peter
I remember seeing in a past video you said you installed a different chuc on your machine. What brand is it? We have a hurco tm18li with an 18" hydraulic 3 jaw. However a manual 4 jaw would be better suited for our work.
The chuck on my machine is a 16” Bison. I think they call it a Oil Field or Oil Country Styl or something. Because it has a larger than normal bore.
@@EdgePrecision ah ok I've looked at those. What spindle nose does the mazak have? The hurco is an a2-15 which has been a little bit of an odd duck it seems.
@@95dodgev10 my machine has a A-11 spindle . But they make even larger chucks than this one.
Would remaking the tailstock plug longer work?
That could but it doesn’t solve the location of the steady jaws on the part itself. Doing this killed all the birds with one stone so to speak.
@@EdgePrecision gotcha.
You seem like doing anything to get a job done...
Was my comment deleted?
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Found you over there. 👍🏽
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make A new tail stock plug, but this time make it 2 inches longer.....problem solved...
That would solve the tailstock issue. But still not the steady rest issue. I would have to move the steady to the right even more. To get a little more clearance. The jaws would be overhanging the threads relief even more. What I did in this video solved both issues, with the steady and tail stock. Thanks.
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