Villa have not won a trophy for years. Disappointed doesn’t do it justice. I knew we were going to lose as soon as I saw the team list. They lost two of their best players, but CP wanted the win more and deserved it!
Last minute of ET we had a free kick on the half way line. Rather than getting everyone in the box and Gauci launching it in, we played backwards keeping possession?! Bailey is a shadow of his former self. Great to see Mings back and getting some minutes.
Was thinking that myself. It was like Villa were trying to run out the clock! Push everyone one up and make the defenders clear their lines. Instead we passed it sideways for 3 of the 4 minutes.
I think it's left me with more questions than answers around how strong our squad actually is. I know the 3 are coming back from long term injuries but those aside, the rest showed nowhere neat enough hunger or desire to stake a claim for a 1st team place for me. Jaden was really disappointing after showing lots of promise and I would rather have had Barkley with Kamara and McGinn further forward, he opens up play and spreads the ball around so well. I can't see Buendia being at the club next year. We all know this is the bottom of the pile of competitions to win so I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it. UTV
I don't think You can't see how good they are until they slot in 1, 2 or 3 at a time into the main squad. That was a bunch of players who haven't played together either at all or in a long time. Were they all new players, We'd be saying "they need time to gel". Also the style had to be different. So We're then asking the likes of a young Philogene to do something different to what He's been doing or try to do the same when the rest of the game doesn't or can't Compliment it. For the talk about how good Mings was, He had to be. And in part because of himself. He's so different to Pau that just changing him changes the whole style and effectiveness. Midfielders were deeper when waiting to receive the ball from defence. That makes the pressing easier and even if the pass is successful, more is asked of the midfield to turn and get it forward. Having a guy who can thread through lines from defence is massive. All things considered We've lost by One goal to a good PL side with a squad thrown together last minute having to play in a way many are not used to with some not used to playing at all having been out for so long. I'd say Unai worked wonders to even achieve that. And the players will be better for it.
@outofthetrash5925 good point about them slotting into the core squad 1 or 2 at a time and I can see individually they would improve that way. All the players know our style and they've all been round the first team for a decent amount of time but yes it just didn't quite click. I take comfort in the fact that hopefully I won't see that performance again for the rest of this season anyway 🤞
Good to see you again last night mate. Took my little girl to her first match and she loved it, despite the loss. Her face when we equalised made it worth the journey!
While I understand the reasons for rotating the team.I am disappointed we should be aiming to win this competition. Realistically start of the season champions league we won't win the Premier league we won't win FA Cup slim chance and Carabo Cup is probably our best chance. While Unai has done an amazing job, I want to see this team win something tonight is a missed opportunity.
@romaspain2702 We have come a long way yes there is still alot to do in terms of the team however I believe under Emery we should be challenging there is no reason why he can't lead us to a trophy whether that be this season or in the future
Duran just wasn't getting the service he needed tonight. If there had been a midfield playmaker like Tielemans or Barkley on the bench I think that may have had a big impact in the 2nd half
Do you honestly think he would be back at the club if that were true??. Unai's a stickler for respect & discipline. An occasional swagger indicates confidence & arrogance, it's a fine line. But i don't think your comment is based on anything substantive, remember his performance against Bayern Munich, exemplary commitment. Sticking labels on someone is lazy. Hopefully not a case of the Big Ron's where you only make these comments about players who have higher levels of melanin in their skin. And before anyone accuses me of playing the race card we've always had a small grubby following of a few dozen out & out racists. Because we're a very multicultural club it's sometimes swept under the carpet. The situation in Gaza has brought a few anti-semites and islamaphobes out of the woodwork in the fan base, even when we currently have Muslim players in the first team
I personally feel sorry for any Villa fan who can't revel in the fact that we're topping a 36-team Champions League table after three matches. Of course, it's highly unlikely that we're going to win it, but I will most certainly dream! UTV!
People can say "We have more important games and bigger fish to fry" but it's this mentality that is the reason why we haven't won anything since 1996. I want to win something. Realistically we can only win the League Cup and the FA Cup and we have to win something soon otherwise all this "success" is hollow. I don't want to be Spurs. I've never criticised Emery but I'm really disappointed in him tonight. I'm okay with that starting lineup but you have to bring at least 5 of the first team players to sort things out if things aren't going right. Tonight Emery was either very naive or didn't care about winning and they aren't things that I associate with Emery or his Aston Villa.
I love the league cup and it should always be an opportunity to win a trophy but the boss has made it clear that it is not the priority and picked the squad accordingly, sadly some of those didn't turn up particularly Buendia and Philogene UTV
Okay whatever, I don't care at this point. Another one! Nedeljković is only 18 and he is borderline starting material. The kid is way more talented than Philogene, who people think is the next Vinicius Junior. Emery did an amazing job locking up Nedeljković. Trust me when I say this, Nedeljković is in Emery's future squad.
I was at the game. It was slow and pedestrian. You could tell that some of the players had not played 90 mins for a while... CP were much brighter and wanted it more... Our keeper was a little suspect tonight... UTV
Totally agree with your assessment. After the first 10mins, Mings looked like the player he was pre-injury and was the best player on the pitch last night. Kamara looked mostly classy, but had a few “casual” moments, like he used to have when he first joined. He needs to get back up to the pace of play again. I personally thought Duran had a good game given that he had very little service. Bailey looked slightly improved on recent performances. Kosta was poor first half but I thought he was better in the second. Conversely, Philogene and Maatsen were decent in the first half but poor in the second, Gauci needed to get off his line and Emi B kept giving up possession. Mings and Kamara were the highlights of the evening. So good to have big Ty back! 😊
It is what it is. Unai removed the temptation to risk some of the main guys by not bringing them. He knows the PL is the most important. Mathematically We're going to lose games but not likely back to back. We've got One out of the way, so onto Spurs for 3 points. 🤞 They're be boosted mentally by beating City (even they weakened their side) but physically tired from doing so. UTV
Good to see you tonight briefly Luke! Was going to come over in the fan zone pre match but you looked deep in conversation and didn’t want to act like a groupie lol 😊
Diego Carlos again gifting a goal by passing directly to the opposition on the edge of the box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's done this a minimum of four times this season leading directly to conceding a goal!!!!!!!!
Emery showing disrespect to the competition . Denying our fans the experience and memories of winning a League cup . We ain't winning the league or champions league and can we win an fa Cup? ...... So what are we ....top four finish and go deep in the champions league ? .... We should go into every game wanting to win , unai may be ambitious but that tonight shows it's misdirected .
What's more important to the club moving forward, $2 million for winning the league cup or Champions League revenue? If we stay in the CL, then in a couple of seasons, we'll have the squad for the domestic cups. Trust Emery, trust the process.
@@RichardKnows I’d prefer a trophy 🏆, who going remember been in the champions league , !!! Football is about winning trophies, !! Emery meant to be a good cup manager!! We should have went stronger!!
Well summed up guys!, I don’t think you left anything unsaid. Like you, I’m disappointed, I guess this game showed that there is still work to be done in some areas. We go again, UTV!
Watched the game on TV, my perspective was that there were some positives. Dispite the errors at the back (a couple of moments) the backline showed some positive moments. Kamara looks great. The biggest issue was in goal. I think the confidence the team has from having Martinez in goal was the biggest issue tonight.
Losing to Palace isn’t good, but there were 10 changes from the norm, I am sure us fans should be thinking of the long game, Premier League and Champions League. Tonight Unai rested the first team, Pep just announced that City have 13 fit players. Villa hopefully have a full squad to pick from going forward. I am not suggesting that we win the Prem or Champions league , but remember, we are in a good position. In Unai we trust. Up the Villa.
So many angry moaners in the comments. Emery made it crystal clear at the start of the season that League and Champions league is priority and rightfully so. Its bizarre that Villa fans are angry. Big positive that many fringe players and those returning from injury played. Imagine putting this comp as priority and ending up in 8th place. Emery is not ETH he has bigger fish to fry. Wake up moaning villans.
Woke up this morning feeling less frustrated id say but theres still alot im not happy with because the players didn't fight. I only watched a small percentage of it and had a look at ratings ill wait till the debrief to give my thoughts
I thought Costa was good at right back but he didn’t have Bailey close enough to him to pop it off him. Keeper looked really nervous. Disappointed we didn’t have a few better options off the bench just incase. Also think as a fan base we crave a trophy and we might have to realise it won’t come putting out weak squads every time in the cups
I didn't see the game unfortunately. But bitterly disappointed that we have been knocked out again. I know it's not a big deal, its not the priority, but seriously it would have be nice if we'd have just a tiny sliver of silverware in the cupboard. UTV 💜 💙
Mostly just a big shrug of a game. Losing is never fun but glad no one got hurt and the young players and players coming back from injury got time which was the most important thing for the game. Carlos had another Carlos game and yeah im no expert but seemingly Gauci should have done better with those goals. Never a bad thing to cut fixture congestion, this cup would have been cool but it was at best 4th priority, its a competition which shouldn't exist anymore.
A lot of our play (palace) is down to pressing & forcing mistakes from the opposition in the final 3rd, which we did very well. Without Lerma, Doucouré & Wharton, our buildup play suffers. But our pressing was very good & our back 3 in particular were excellent. Had it been earlier in the season, we would’ve been beaten very easily due to our lacklustre pressing. But you faced us at a time when our players were just starting to click & it showed. Regardless of the lineups, Glasner & Kamada both have a decent record against Emery, so I expected a close game regardless
I get why Unai implemented these tactics and this starting 11… but what’s the effect on the momentum?, kinda left a bitter taste in the mouth and stifled the “feel good” vibes, that’s my concern UTV
As soon as I seen the team I knew we was going out , ten changes and three players coming back from ACL's. For me Carlos does not switch on against the so called lesser teams. The right back looks a good prospect and like you said they beat but got outplayed by our B team .i think we should have had a stronger bench . UTV
Kamara played okay. Mings played okay. They are rusty, no doubt. I'll have to go back and watch it again, but I don't feel like Kamara did a great job of seeing the field (besides one or two over the top balls) and neither did Mings. I feel Pau and Youri are playing a level above those guys right now and that was easy to see from tonight. Mings had some good defensive plays that we just don't see from Pau. So I appreciate that dynamic. I would like to see more of Kamara and Mings getting worked in. Overall, this is a really talented team. I feel like if Tielemans and Ollie had played at any point during this match the outcome would have been different. Give them 30 minutes of work. No big deal for them, but I feel it would have made a big difference just on a confidence level for other guys getting new minutes. Anyway, have a good night yall. UTV!
Uni set us up to lose this game that was obvious! The subs at the end said it all …. League and champions league is his priority…. I’m disappointed would of been our best chance at silver wear
I would like to see us unleash a pyramid of Watkins, Durán & Rogers on an appropriate opponent. I still don't think we've really got out of second year yet & the players are capable of a lot more than they possibly believe. I still think the defeat to Arsenal was one of our best performances, we just couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo in that game, so many chances missed. I am convinced that there will be at least a couple of games this season where we're going to give someone a hammering. As i said i don't think we're cooking on anything near full has at the moment. I think the results have been better than the performances, but get those levels up & the goals will flow. We need more goals from the wingers and midfield. 13 of our 24 goals in all competitions have been scored by Watkins & Durán 🦁 WE MOVE! 🦁 UP THE VILLA!!
I'm disappointed because, realistically, this is our best opportunity to win our 'first' trophy for 20 years. Our current model as progressive as it is shows me it's all about revenue, that disappointed me....UTV
I've defended Bailey when he hasn't played well, saying he has moments that lead to goals. And that was true today. HOWEVER, it is getting increasingly hard for me to make that argument. His overall play has been dreadful. He needs to focus on beating his man and getting assists, not goals.
Well at least you boys turned up, not sure if all our players did! great to see Mings & Kamara back & McGinn & Durán put in an ok performance … not much going on after that, bit flat…. Still at least we don’t have to play Arsenal … Keep going boys .. hope we put in a real performance against Spurs… clear what Emery is looking at. Said it before we still Lack a little more quality players at the back, need another keeper if Olsen goes & another quality player attacking right, other than that it’s just one of those nights of frustration & a bit of that old Villa … still smiling but I do want us to win something…
The thing is we could lose the next three games and still finish top 4/5 , still reach champs league later stages etc but lose tonight and we're out. Ramsay should have come on OR started if in the squad. I think there should have been a little more depth on the bench and the second goal was atrocious on every level, literally embarrassing tbh. Buendia for me has had his time, upgrade needed. I think we will see more minutes with Duran and Watkins on the same pitch as the season goes on as Watkins can play in different roles.
Passionate rant so please excuse this message but I generally worry without Barkley or Teilemens in the middle of the park games like today have really been a mainstay for us in Cup Competitions. Where was the energy to go get some goals, players looked lost. Only positive was Mings back. Is Gauci a decent backup keeper to Martinez? Surely there can be better replacements. Carlos is another that makes me wonder what performance are we getting from him, some games he looks like a mistake happening anytime soon other times he looks amazing. When are we going to start taking cup seriously?! You are better losing 5-4 than looking clueless and lethargic. I want to see Aston Villa win a trophy in my lifetime but all the years of supporting them I am not seeing any adjustments to this dream happening anytime soon. It’s just I love this club, I only want the best for Aston Villa
I know Jadon is young but he’s easily knocked off the ball and overplayed at times ,I know the manager has stated his position on objectives this season but I hate loosing 😢
A bit harsh. That team had literally never played together before, probably not evn in training. Emery obviously gave the Carabao cup 4th priority, confirmed when he bought on the kids at the end. Agree Mings and Kamara were terrific, the huge postive from the evening. Kosta must be the fastest player at the club over 50m? Buendia anonymous and Philiogene very disappointing.
Bumped into you on the stairs after the game, and I was so disappointed after tonight, as I felt with the players we had on the pitch, each one of them was individually capable of performing tonight. But it’s just a different story when they all start together, understandably. Happy mings and kamara got 90 mins. After listening to you mention about the B team, it doesn’t feel so bad I guess, and hard to expect too much when there has been 10 changes. On to the next one, hopefully it was worth all the resting by the time we have played spurs at the weekend 🤞 UTFV 💥💪
Was a good opportunity to get minutes in the legs for a lot of players. Slightly disappointed we made so many changes though. Had a real chance to go far in this competition. There's something wrong when finishing 4th is more valuable than winning a trophy but it is what it is. UTV
A quick question, does anyone know why the camera position was so low on the TV coverage? I remember way back before the DE stand was built the camera position at VP was that low on the tiny old Witton lane stand. I really prefer it in it's usual position, higher up, looking down.
Taking the positives in Mings and Kamara but it's a disappointment to go out when a couple of wiser selections could have got us through I think. They looked lacking to be honest. But let's take the positives into the Prem and Champions League fixtures. UTV and applause to you guys for turning out with the fancam
Palace played a very strong team except for the GK. This was a young team that needed minutes as you say. That is the main takeaway. I think Kosta, Maatsen, Kamara give Emery something to think about regarding the CL and Prem. But yes, Philogene really underachieves a bit. Why does he beat a man then stand on the ball, slowing everything down? Just whip the ball in and ask questions of the defenders! Emery can't be pleased with that.
I'm fuming! I want to win this cup, I want to win a cup! I don't want to hear that it's only the League Cup it doesn't mean anything, it does mean something, because we had a good chance to win this competition, and we've absolutley blown it away 😠😠
When I saw Palace's starting XI it was clear they were going for it. Gauci doesn't fill me with confidence, but he needs minutes so fair enough. Buendia looks devoid of all confidence, he's slow, he's losing the ball almost every time he receives it, he's going down far too easy, staying down (so we have 10 men) then apparently fine to continue minutes later. Really frustrating, I think he's out the door sadly. On a plus note - Bouba and Mings grew into the game and played pretty well. They're back! Kosta looked panicked. Maatsen was bizarrely slow and made poor decisions. Philogene, Bailey were poor. Passing, across the team, was really sloppy tonight. Kadan Young did nothing: receive, turn back, short pass.
Put Barclay into that team , makes a huge difference .. Asking Buendia to dominate at this point unlikely .. Mings made a tackle 29 mins , held my breath , got up and did 90 , fantastic .. We didn’t play awful , without being special .. Last 15 lost our way .. Kamara great .. Duran doesn’t look up , shoots from everywhere , which is obviously his strength, but a couple of times Buendia unmarked … Justin and Luke bang on.. Its a shame
11 changes and a bench full of kids, think it’s clear Emery wasn’t bothered about tonight 😂 On another note it’s not hard to see why Palace are struggling, think our strongest 11 will batter them next month.
I expected Ramsey and barkley to play to get much needed minutes cant see buendia being here much longer than this season to lightweight mings and kamara both did well for there first 90mins I felt emery used that game for players to get match fit UTV
Oh sorry, one more comment now. I totally disagree about Buendia. That is on Mings and Kamara to get him the ball in space. I feel this was widely overlooked tonight. Buendia did well for what he was dealt. He plays a tough position that is very dependent on others finding you. I think Buendia should have been targeted much much more this game.
i love unai put that was a poor side he put out Midfield totally unbalanced Also think Buendia needs to got out on loan in January to get proper game time. Also philogene and bailey in the same team nooo
The most exasperating moment of the entire game was Jaden getting himself into a great position on the left of the area and then fannying around with it instead of at least trying to get a cross in
Lost the ball outside of our box seen that bad pass last 2 years .thought jaden and Bailey could not hold the ball emi the same .missed a chance to win a cup .mings left and right back looked good . Duran looked like a good striker .plus bench onto good enough to change it .wasted opportunity.
With the number 10 being such an important role I feel Buendia will be moved on next summer and replaced with someone better. Sadly ACL injuries are so hard to recover from and this last 14 months Villa have moved on. UTV!!
Every time kamara got the ball he didn't know what to do with it and we lost the ball every time. I was there and no sense of urgency in the last four minutes.
To be honest, Mcginn, Buen dia were really poor. It's more on them, they didn't create any attacks for Duran, but he still scored and looked like the only one who was really fighting. Mings needs time, some of his balls were mediocre.
Look at the players lost last night in other teams - VDV, Savinho - I’d rather we let the kids and lads needing minutes have a go & fail than now be hamstrung in big games coming up.
The more games the likes of Spurs and Newcastle can have to catch us up the better. Shame Chelsea are out even though they have enough players to cope with 100 games. Us, Chelsea and City all weakened their sides and went out. Spurs Newcastle Man Utd and Palace went full strength and remain in it. That should tell people where the priorities are for all these clubs.
Don't think emery will be to bothered that we have gone out of the cup. The premier league and champions league is his priority. The wait for a trophy goes on.
Carlos loosing the ball for a simple pass. He knows the system he was meant to lead the line yesterday. We are still scoring goals so the final third is ok we need to be able to keep clean sheets. Eze unchallenged header Kamada goal pass poor out from defence invited pressure 20yds out.
I think we have to except that when you are in Champions League this competition is way down the list ,the club doesn't admit it but it's a fact .I don't know where the next trophy is coming from to be honest .UTV .
Don't get why he even bothered to start (and risk) mcginn at all, after the seeing the substitutions emery made when we needed a goal. The game was cryin out for ramsey to come on for buendia and even cash for jaden but both unused subs. Best chance of a trophy this season. Gone.
Thought ned right back was quite good kamara mings that's good micky mouse cup we got alot of touh games to come happy to be out of this one half pace freindly players rested bring on the spurs utv
Looking ahead, Tottenham will come out all guns blazing. If they get an early goal, i can't see Villa getting anything out of the game. Worrying. Really hope I'm wrong.
An utterly forgettable performance. Good to see Mings and Kamara back and looking like the players we had before their injuries. McGinn did plenty of ball retention and maneuvers. Maatzen had a couple of exciting runs. Otherwise, an uninspired performance devoid of any urgency or cohesion. It would seem that we are so successful and laden down with the weight of our huge recent trophy count that we can spaff off a genuine chance at winning silverwear. Same as it ever was... UTV
Palace went full strength. We didn’t. Tottenham went full strength and lost two players. We have a really important week ahead. Winning the league cup gets you 2 million. We’ll get that if we beat Brugge.
I'm fed up with us getting knocked out the League Cup and FA Cup every year!
It's pathetic mate ain't like we're gonna win anything else
We should of won that game, 4 seconds from beating Bournemouth and the nil nil with united, bloody hell been depressing UtV
I love your comment , I want that tattooed on my back ✌️
Villa have not won a trophy for years. Disappointed doesn’t do it justice. I knew we were going to lose as soon as I saw the team list. They lost two of their best players, but CP wanted the win more and deserved it!
Last minute of ET we had a free kick on the half way line. Rather than getting everyone in the box and Gauci launching it in, we played backwards keeping possession?!
Bailey is a shadow of his former self.
Great to see Mings back and getting some minutes.
Was thinking that myself. It was like Villa were trying to run out the clock! Push everyone one up and make the defenders clear their lines. Instead we passed it sideways for 3 of the 4 minutes.
I think it's left me with more questions than answers around how strong our squad actually is. I know the 3 are coming back from long term injuries but those aside, the rest showed nowhere neat enough hunger or desire to stake a claim for a 1st team place for me. Jaden was really disappointing after showing lots of promise and I would rather have had Barkley with Kamara and McGinn further forward, he opens up play and spreads the ball around so well. I can't see Buendia being at the club next year.
We all know this is the bottom of the pile of competitions to win so I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it. UTV
I don't think You can't see how good they are until they slot in 1, 2 or 3 at a time into the main squad.
That was a bunch of players who haven't played together either at all or in a long time. Were they all new players, We'd be saying "they need time to gel".
Also the style had to be different. So We're then asking the likes of a young Philogene to do something different to what He's been doing or try to do the same when the rest of the game doesn't or can't Compliment it.
For the talk about how good Mings was, He had to be. And in part because of himself. He's so different to Pau that just changing him changes the whole style and effectiveness. Midfielders were deeper when waiting to receive the ball from defence. That makes the pressing easier and even if the pass is successful, more is asked of the midfield to turn and get it forward. Having a guy who can thread through lines from defence is massive.
All things considered We've lost by One goal to a good PL side with a squad thrown together last minute having to play in a way many are not used to with some not used to playing at all having been out for so long.
I'd say Unai worked wonders to even achieve that. And the players will be better for it.
@outofthetrash5925 good point about them slotting into the core squad 1 or 2 at a time and I can see individually they would improve that way. All the players know our style and they've all been round the first team for a decent amount of time but yes it just didn't quite click. I take comfort in the fact that hopefully I won't see that performance again for the rest of this season anyway 🤞
Good to see you again last night mate. Took my little girl to her first match and she loved it, despite the loss. Her face when we equalised made it worth the journey!
Love that mate
While I understand the reasons for rotating the team.I am disappointed we should be aiming to win this competition. Realistically start of the season champions league we won't win the Premier league we won't win FA Cup slim chance and Carabo Cup is probably our best chance. While Unai has done an amazing job, I want to see this team win something tonight is a missed opportunity.
You want to make a winning team in 2 years???impossible......
@romaspain2702 We have come a long way yes there is still alot to do in terms of the team however I believe under Emery we should be challenging there is no reason why he can't lead us to a trophy whether that be this season or in the future
Duran just wasn't getting the service he needed tonight. If there had been a midfield playmaker like Tielemans or Barkley on the bench I think that may have had a big impact in the 2nd half
though this was a game for barkley to get 90 and mcginn to rest personally
We would of won with Barkley supplying Duran because Duran looked well up for it
Philogenes decision makings sometimes frustrates me so much because he's clearly so talented but he always makes the wrong choice
It's called Panic,he might improve,but this is not for sure
Think he has terrible body language bad apple
Do you honestly think he would be back at the club if that were true??. Unai's a stickler for respect & discipline. An occasional swagger indicates confidence & arrogance, it's a fine line. But i don't think your comment is based on anything substantive, remember his performance against Bayern Munich, exemplary commitment. Sticking labels on someone is lazy.
Hopefully not a case of the Big Ron's where you only make these comments about players who have higher levels of melanin in their skin. And before anyone accuses me of playing the race card we've always had a small grubby following of a few dozen out & out racists. Because we're a very multicultural club it's sometimes swept under the carpet. The situation in Gaza has brought a few anti-semites and islamaphobes out of the woodwork in the fan base, even when we currently have Muslim players in the first team
Agree lads. Buendia on borrowed time now.
We overpaid massively for him but never mind. Club has moved on. He was never a 35 million quid player. He was a 12-15 mill quid player.
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Part of me is angry that we've gone out with a whimper, but then I look at the Champions League table...
What do the table mean absolutely nothing we ain't going to win it are we
3 games in are you taking the piss dream on
I personally feel sorry for any Villa fan who can't revel in the fact that we're topping a 36-team Champions League table after three matches. Of course, it's highly unlikely that we're going to win it, but I will most certainly dream! UTV!
Needed some big players on the bench to help out at the end
People can say "We have more important games and bigger fish to fry" but it's this mentality that is the reason why we haven't won anything since 1996.
I want to win something.
Realistically we can only win the League Cup and the FA Cup and we have to win something soon otherwise all this "success" is hollow.
I don't want to be Spurs.
I've never criticised Emery but I'm really disappointed in him tonight.
I'm okay with that starting lineup but you have to bring at least 5 of the first team players to sort things out if things aren't going right.
Tonight Emery was either very naive or didn't care about winning and they aren't things that I associate with Emery or his Aston Villa.
Luke, I like each pod you do more and more! Well done chaps...keep up the good work VTID....even older I remember 1975 League cup as a VILLAN
@@RobertSmith-vl5ei 1975 League cup win, I was there ! And yes I am old haha
Legend
I love the league cup and it should always be an opportunity to win a trophy but the boss has made it clear that it is not the priority and picked the squad accordingly, sadly some of those didn't turn up particularly Buendia and Philogene UTV
Okay whatever, I don't care at this point. Another one! Nedeljković is only 18 and he is borderline starting material. The kid is way more talented than Philogene, who people think is the next Vinicius Junior. Emery did an amazing job locking up Nedeljković. Trust me when I say this, Nedeljković is in Emery's future squad.
I was at the game. It was slow and pedestrian. You could tell that some of the players had not played 90 mins for a while... CP were much brighter and wanted it more... Our keeper was a little suspect tonight... UTV
Totally agree with your assessment.
After the first 10mins, Mings looked like the player he was pre-injury and was the best player on the pitch last night. Kamara looked mostly classy, but had a few “casual” moments, like he used to have when he first joined. He needs to get back up to the pace of play again. I personally thought Duran had a good game given that he had very little service. Bailey looked slightly improved on recent performances.
Kosta was poor first half but I thought he was better in the second. Conversely, Philogene and Maatsen were decent in the first half but poor in the second, Gauci needed to get off his line and Emi B kept giving up possession.
Mings and Kamara were the highlights of the evening. So good to have big Ty back! 😊
It is what it is. Unai removed the temptation to risk some of the main guys by not bringing them. He knows the PL is the most important.
Mathematically We're going to lose games but not likely back to back. We've got One out of the way, so onto Spurs for 3 points. 🤞 They're be boosted mentally by beating City (even they weakened their side) but physically tired from doing so.
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Good to see you tonight briefly Luke! Was going to come over in the fan zone pre match but you looked deep in conversation and didn’t want to act like a groupie lol 😊
That's okay 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Diego Carlos again gifting a goal by passing directly to the opposition on the edge of the box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's done this a minimum of four times this season leading directly to conceding a goal!!!!!!!!
Hey mate,
I don't think you used enough exclamation marks there, you need at least another 20.
I don't understand Carlos. He's so inconsistent. Buendia needs to start stepping when given the chance.
@@desmondmagrath8262 buendia is finished at villa.
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I know for a big guy he's a bit of a wimp, and he's had the worst season so far
Emery showing disrespect to the competition .
Denying our fans the experience and memories of winning a League cup .
We ain't winning the league or champions league and can we win an fa Cup? ......
So what are we ....top four finish and go deep in the champions league ? ....
We should go into every game wanting to win , unai may be ambitious but that tonight shows it's misdirected .
Your spot on mate , total disrespect, we should have went stronger at least brought on Ramsey , it’s been 30 years since we won a trophy!! Bloody joke
Agreed!!
What's more important to the club moving forward, $2 million for winning the league cup or Champions League revenue?
If we stay in the CL, then in a couple of seasons, we'll have the squad for the domestic cups. Trust Emery, trust the process.
@@RichardKnows I’d prefer a trophy 🏆, who going remember been in the champions league , !!! Football is about winning trophies, !! Emery meant to be a good cup manager!! We should have went stronger!!
@@RichardKnows 3 cup games over the whole season won’t impact our Champions League success but might bring us a trophy
Well summed up guys!, I don’t think you left anything unsaid. Like you, I’m disappointed, I guess this game showed that there is still work to be done in some areas. We go again, UTV!
Watched the game on TV, my perspective was that there were some positives. Dispite the errors at the back (a couple of moments) the backline showed some positive moments. Kamara looks great. The biggest issue was in goal. I think the confidence the team has from having Martinez in goal was the biggest issue tonight.
To me that’s another season without winning anything. Really good opportunity missed. Great to see players back though
Loved seeing Mings with the armband. I wasn't to bothered at least we haven't had injuries to 2 key players. I thought kosta was good
Keep up the great work UTV 👍
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Losing to Palace isn’t good, but there were 10 changes from the norm, I am sure us fans should be thinking of the long game, Premier League and Champions League. Tonight Unai rested the first team, Pep just announced that City have 13 fit players. Villa hopefully have a full squad to pick from going forward. I am not suggesting that we win the Prem or Champions league , but remember, we are in a good position. In Unai we trust. Up the Villa.
So many angry moaners in the comments. Emery made it crystal clear at the start of the season that League and Champions league is priority and rightfully so.
Its bizarre that Villa fans are angry. Big positive that many fringe players and those returning from injury played.
Imagine putting this comp as priority and ending up in 8th place. Emery is not ETH he has bigger fish to fry. Wake up moaning villans.
Agreed. Do fans want Bayern at home or not?
Agree! Shame we don't have more games but Mings and Kamara got 90 minutes. We ARE going to need them!
Woke up this morning feeling less frustrated id say but theres still alot im not happy with because the players didn't fight.
I only watched a small percentage of it and had a look at ratings ill wait till the debrief to give my thoughts
Disappointed I wanted Wembley. The wait goes on.
I thought Costa was good at right back but he didn’t have Bailey close enough to him to pop it off him. Keeper looked really nervous. Disappointed we didn’t have a few better options off the bench just incase. Also think as a fan base we crave a trophy and we might have to realise it won’t come putting out weak squads every time in the cups
spot on mate, it was the B team but they didnt step up.
Mings and Kamara did really well tonight... I got worried when i saw Mings limping though... 🤔
I didn't see the game unfortunately. But bitterly disappointed that we have been knocked out again. I know it's not a big deal, its not the priority, but seriously it would have be nice if we'd have just a tiny sliver of silverware in the cupboard.
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Mostly just a big shrug of a game. Losing is never fun but glad no one got hurt and the young players and players coming back from injury got time which was the most important thing for the game. Carlos had another Carlos game and yeah im no expert but seemingly Gauci should have done better with those goals. Never a bad thing to cut fixture congestion, this cup would have been cool but it was at best 4th priority, its a competition which shouldn't exist anymore.
A lot of our play (palace) is down to pressing & forcing mistakes from the opposition in the final 3rd, which we did very well. Without Lerma, Doucouré & Wharton, our buildup play suffers. But our pressing was very good & our back 3 in particular were excellent. Had it been earlier in the season, we would’ve been beaten very easily due to our lacklustre pressing. But you faced us at a time when our players were just starting to click & it showed. Regardless of the lineups, Glasner & Kamada both have a decent record against Emery, so I expected a close game regardless
We have never won a major trophy, so I’ll take any type of win in this competition regardless of how well we play
I get why Unai implemented these tactics and this starting 11… but what’s the effect on the momentum?, kinda left a bitter taste in the mouth and stifled the “feel good” vibes, that’s my concern UTV
I was convinced we’d lose because there’s a strange predictability about cup fixtures like this we should be winning.
As soon as I seen the team I knew we was going out , ten changes and three players coming back from ACL's. For me Carlos does not switch on against the so called lesser teams. The right back looks a good prospect and like you said they beat but got outplayed by our B team .i think we should have had a stronger bench . UTV
Kamara played okay. Mings played okay. They are rusty, no doubt. I'll have to go back and watch it again, but I don't feel like Kamara did a great job of seeing the field (besides one or two over the top balls) and neither did Mings. I feel Pau and Youri are playing a level above those guys right now and that was easy to see from tonight. Mings had some good defensive plays that we just don't see from Pau. So I appreciate that dynamic. I would like to see more of Kamara and Mings getting worked in. Overall, this is a really talented team. I feel like if Tielemans and Ollie had played at any point during this match the outcome would have been different. Give them 30 minutes of work. No big deal for them, but I feel it would have made a big difference just on a confidence level for other guys getting new minutes. Anyway, have a good night yall. UTV!
Uni set us up to lose this game that was obvious! The subs at the end said it all …. League and champions league is his priority…. I’m disappointed would of been our best chance at silver wear
I would like to see us unleash a pyramid of Watkins, Durán & Rogers on an appropriate opponent. I still don't think we've really got out of second year yet & the players are capable of a lot more than they possibly believe. I still think the defeat to Arsenal was one of our best performances, we just couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo in that game, so many chances missed. I am convinced that there will be at least a couple of games this season where we're going to give someone a hammering. As i said i don't think we're cooking on anything near full has at the moment. I think the results have been better than the performances, but get those levels up & the goals will flow. We need more goals from the wingers and midfield. 13 of our 24 goals in all competitions have been scored by Watkins & Durán 🦁 WE MOVE! 🦁 UP THE VILLA!!
No excuses, this loss is unforgivable
I'm disappointed because, realistically, this is our best opportunity to win our 'first' trophy for 20 years. Our current model as progressive as it is shows me it's all about revenue, that disappointed me....UTV
I've defended Bailey when he hasn't played well, saying he has moments that lead to goals. And that was true today. HOWEVER, it is getting increasingly hard for me to make that argument. His overall play has been dreadful. He needs to focus on beating his man and getting assists, not goals.
Well at least you boys turned up, not sure if all our players did! great to see Mings & Kamara back & McGinn & Durán put in an ok performance … not much going on after that, bit flat…. Still at least we don’t have to play Arsenal …
Keep going boys .. hope we put in a real performance against Spurs… clear what Emery is looking at. Said it before we still
Lack a little more quality players at the back, need another keeper if Olsen goes & another quality player attacking right, other than that it’s just one of those nights of frustration & a bit of that old Villa … still smiling but I do want us to win something…
It's fucking shameful how we approach the League Cup and FA Cup. We have got what we deserve for the lack of respect!
How can you not be disappointed shocking performance another season without a trophy no chance of FA Cup glory
The thing is we could lose the next three games and still finish top 4/5 , still reach champs league later stages etc but lose tonight and we're out. Ramsay should have come on OR started if in the squad. I think there should have been a little more depth on the bench and the second goal was atrocious on every level, literally embarrassing tbh. Buendia for me has had his time, upgrade needed. I think we will see more minutes with Duran and Watkins on the same pitch as the season goes on as Watkins can play in different roles.
Passionate rant so please excuse this message but I generally worry without Barkley or Teilemens in the middle of the park games like today have really been a mainstay for us in Cup Competitions. Where was the energy to go get some goals, players looked lost. Only positive was Mings back. Is Gauci a decent backup keeper to Martinez? Surely there can be better replacements. Carlos is another that makes me wonder what performance are we getting from him, some games he looks like a mistake happening anytime soon other times he looks amazing. When are we going to start taking cup seriously?! You are better losing 5-4 than looking clueless and lethargic. I want to see Aston Villa win a trophy in my lifetime but all the years of supporting them I am not seeing any adjustments to this dream happening anytime soon. It’s just I love this club, I only want the best for Aston Villa
I know Jadon is young but he’s easily knocked off the ball and overplayed at times ,I know the manager has stated his position on objectives this season but I hate loosing 😢
A bit harsh. That team had literally never played together before, probably not evn in training. Emery obviously gave the Carabao cup 4th priority, confirmed when he bought on the kids at the end. Agree Mings and Kamara were terrific, the huge postive from the evening. Kosta must be the fastest player at the club over 50m? Buendia anonymous and Philiogene very disappointing.
Bumped into you on the stairs after the game, and I was so disappointed after tonight, as I felt with the players we had on the pitch, each one of them was individually capable of performing tonight. But it’s just a different story when they all start together, understandably. Happy mings and kamara got 90 mins. After listening to you mention about the B team, it doesn’t feel so bad I guess, and hard to expect too much when there has been 10 changes. On to the next one, hopefully it was worth all the resting by the time we have played spurs at the weekend 🤞 UTFV 💥💪
Good to meet you mate
@ you too bud, thanks for keeping the video positive 😅
Was a good opportunity to get minutes in the legs for a lot of players. Slightly disappointed we made so many changes though. Had a real chance to go far in this competition. There's something wrong when finishing 4th is more valuable than winning a trophy but it is what it is. UTV
A quick question, does anyone know why the camera position was so low on the TV coverage?
I remember way back before the DE stand was built the camera position at VP was that low on the tiny old Witton lane stand. I really prefer it in it's usual position, higher up, looking down.
My gripe was the lack of 1st teamers on the bench, if things went pear, shows you emerys priorities
Unai said priority is the league and lots of positives to take from today.
Best chance probably only chance of a trophy gone, so it will be 30 years at least before we win a trophy again
Taking the positives in Mings and Kamara but it's a disappointment to go out when a couple of wiser selections could have got us through I think. They looked lacking to be honest. But let's take the positives into the Prem and Champions League fixtures. UTV and applause to you guys for turning out with the fancam
Palace played a very strong team except for the GK. This was a young team that needed minutes as you say. That is the main takeaway. I think Kosta, Maatsen, Kamara give Emery something to think about regarding the CL and Prem. But yes, Philogene really underachieves a bit. Why does he beat a man then stand on the ball, slowing everything down? Just whip the ball in and ask questions of the defenders! Emery can't be pleased with that.
Chelski made 11 changes and lost to newcastle villa made 10 changes to palace
At least Mings looked good.... Personaly i think we would of beat palace with Barkley supplying Duran, but hindsight is wonderful UTV
I'm fuming! I want to win this cup, I want to win a cup! I don't want to hear that it's only the League Cup it doesn't mean anything, it does mean something, because we had a good chance to win this competition, and we've absolutley blown it away 😠😠
I'm disappointed going out Luke but at least we have got some players back. UTV
When I saw Palace's starting XI it was clear they were going for it. Gauci doesn't fill me with confidence, but he needs minutes so fair enough. Buendia looks devoid of all confidence, he's slow, he's losing the ball almost every time he receives it, he's going down far too easy, staying down (so we have 10 men) then apparently fine to continue minutes later. Really frustrating, I think he's out the door sadly. On a plus note - Bouba and Mings grew into the game and played pretty well. They're back! Kosta looked panicked. Maatsen was bizarrely slow and made poor decisions. Philogene, Bailey were poor. Passing, across the team, was really sloppy tonight. Kadan Young did nothing: receive, turn back, short pass.
I hope none of these go knocking on emerys door for a start that was a shit show effort
Put Barclay into that team , makes a huge difference .. Asking Buendia to dominate at this point unlikely .. Mings made a tackle 29 mins , held my breath , got up and did 90 , fantastic .. We didn’t play awful , without being special .. Last 15 lost our way .. Kamara great .. Duran doesn’t look up , shoots from everywhere , which is obviously his strength, but a couple of times Buendia unmarked … Justin and Luke bang on.. Its a shame
11 changes and a bench full of kids, think it’s clear Emery wasn’t bothered about tonight 😂
On another note it’s not hard to see why Palace are struggling, think our strongest 11 will batter them next month.
I expected Ramsey and barkley to play to get much needed minutes cant see buendia being here much longer than this season to lightweight mings and kamara both did well for there first 90mins
I felt emery used that game for players to get match fit UTV
We should have had a couple of stronger players on the bench to use if needed.
Oh sorry, one more comment now. I totally disagree about Buendia. That is on Mings and Kamara to get him the ball in space. I feel this was widely overlooked tonight. Buendia did well for what he was dealt. He plays a tough position that is very dependent on others finding you. I think Buendia should have been targeted much much more this game.
i love unai put that was a poor side he put out Midfield totally unbalanced Also think Buendia needs to got out on loan in January to get proper game time. Also philogene and bailey in the same team nooo
The most exasperating moment of the entire game was Jaden getting himself into a great position on the left of the area and then fannying around with it instead of at least trying to get a cross in
Lost the ball outside of our box seen that bad pass last 2 years .thought jaden and Bailey could not hold the ball emi the same .missed a chance to win a cup .mings left and right back looked good . Duran looked like a good striker .plus bench onto good enough to change it .wasted opportunity.
With the number 10 being such an important role I feel Buendia will be moved on next summer and replaced with someone better. Sadly ACL injuries are so hard to recover from and this last 14 months Villa have moved on. UTV!!
We seem to be a Spurs mentality. Happy to finish in european spots but not picking up silverware ...very spurs like
Every time kamara got the ball he didn't know what to do with it and we lost the ball every time. I was there and no sense of urgency in the last four minutes.
We have to many games to play this season ,priority is the league and champions league.
To be honest, Mcginn, Buen dia were really poor. It's more on them, they didn't create any attacks for Duran, but he still scored and looked like the only one who was really fighting. Mings needs time, some of his balls were mediocre.
Look at the players lost last night in other teams - VDV, Savinho - I’d rather we let the kids and lads needing minutes have a go & fail than now be hamstrung in big games coming up.
Not to fussed really still got fa cup and still in cl.and 4th thats wot it is all about finishing 4th again cups will come soon
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The more games the likes of Spurs and Newcastle can have to catch us up the better.
Shame Chelsea are out even though they have enough players to cope with 100 games.
Us, Chelsea and City all weakened their sides and went out. Spurs Newcastle Man Utd and Palace went full strength and remain in it. That should tell people where the priorities are for all these clubs.
Kamara is better on the right. I'm guessing having him on the left in this game was a trial, as Onana plays the same position?
We gifted 2 goals through poor defending. We can't get rid of it. Bit of lapses and concentration.
Don't think emery will be to bothered that we have gone out of the cup. The premier league and champions league is his priority. The wait for a trophy goes on.
Gauci only started coming off his line after he got a bollocking from Mings He put the fear of god in him 😂
Carlos loosing the ball for a simple pass. He knows the system he was meant to lead the line yesterday. We are still scoring goals so the final third is ok we need to be able to keep clean sheets.
Eze unchallenged header
Kamada goal pass poor out from defence invited pressure 20yds out.
I think we have to except that when you are in Champions League this competition is way down the list ,the club doesn't admit it but it's a fact .I don't know where the next trophy is coming from to be honest .UTV .
Don't get why he even bothered to start (and risk) mcginn at all, after the seeing the substitutions emery made when we needed a goal. The game was cryin out for ramsey to come on for buendia and even cash for jaden but both unused subs. Best chance of a trophy this season. Gone.
But was great to see Kamara and mings back
Thought ned right back was quite good kamara mings that's good micky mouse cup we got alot of touh games to come happy to be out of this one half pace freindly players rested bring on the spurs utv
Anyone know what the official attendance was last night?
Dire tonight. Last 20mins of the game Villa gave the impression they were 2-1up not Palace......Bailey must be dropped. He was very poor.......
Looking ahead, Tottenham will come out all guns blazing. If they get an early goal, i can't see Villa getting anything out of the game. Worrying. Really hope I'm wrong.
The balti pie has gone down hill
Haha
Last season Bailey played well, got his new contract, now he's just sitting back and being lazy again.
Didnt realise you were doing fan cam tonight 🤦🏾
An utterly forgettable performance.
Good to see Mings and Kamara back and looking like the players we had before their injuries.
McGinn did plenty of ball retention and maneuvers. Maatzen had a couple of exciting runs.
Otherwise, an uninspired performance devoid of any urgency or cohesion.
It would seem that we are so successful and laden down with the weight of our huge recent trophy count that we can spaff off a genuine chance at winning silverwear. Same as it ever was...
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A Carlos mistake yet again cost us. Sadly, every once in a while (?) he keeps becoming the liability at the back.
I really was disappointed about this - we’d have been in a quarter final ffs! UTV
Palace went full strength. We didn’t. Tottenham went full strength and lost two players. We have a really important week ahead. Winning the league cup gets you 2 million. We’ll get that if we beat Brugge.