Canon 6d vs Canon RP
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- Опубликовано: 22 янв 2023
- My comparison of the Canon 6d and the Canon RP
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I purchased a 6D from KEH last week and I couldn’t be happier. I have a couple mirrorless cameras that I plan on selling now. I just enjoy taking photos with it this camera. I bought the 50mm 1.8 and plan on buying the 17-40 and the 85mm 1.8. I feel like those are the only 3 lenses I really need. Thanks for all the recommendations! It’s because of these videos that I now own a 6d and 5d classic and have no interest in spending thousands of dollars on the latest camera! You’ve saved me so much money!
Thats great to hear Jordan, I hope you will continue to be happy with your setup. One day a time will come when you will probably want something newer, just take this with you...dont sell this gear, you will regret it one day, take it from someone who has been down that road. As have most of the people commenting on these videos.
@Jordan Duncan I have loaded up so much old gear from facebook marketplace. I just watch stuff I want until it's been up for weeks to months then make an offer, or snap up bargains when they come up - but have to check every morning for canon gear listed in the last 24 hours to get the bargains first
I picked up a 6D with canon 20mm prime for $200AUD - I already had a 6D and didn't really want a second one, I just wanted the lens ha. I just watched that one for ages then offered $200.
I would highy recommend 16-35 f4 instead. I owned 17-40 and never was happy with it below 24mm
Same here! I have down?/up!-graded from mirrorless to 5D classic, and I'm extremely happy. I have the 50mm F1.8, and I also have a couple beautiful M42 lenses that unfortunately have only very limited use on the 5D as in infinitiy / far focus the back element hits the mirror (ouch_!), so I decided just not to shoot with them at all, as I want a nice long camera life... sadly though, as the Asahi Super Takumar 50mm F1.4 is just so much nicer than the Canon nifty fifty - it really eats the nifty for breakfast, lunch and dinner... So that's pretty sad. Even with that edge though the mirrorless can't catch up to 5D with the nifty...
So, I'll have to save for a serious native EF Canon or Tamron glass.... the quest continues! && I'm also super tempted by the 6D for low light scenarios...
@@MartinCastein I take you sold the 6D?
I'm falling in the rabbit hole!
I have had a bunch of entry level mirrorless and DSLRs but no other camera has put a smile in my face like my last buy. An old Canon 40D.
It’s ok to have both though! In the end yes what makes you happy.
I love the 6D. It's simple, fast autofocus with the center point. A beast for Portrait. Cheap. The most important thing is it makes you focus on photography. Modern cameras have too many features that a photographer doesn't really need.
Having features is never a bad thing
I could get behind this. I LOVE my 6D and my 5D classic. There’s character to the files, and I tend to use it much more that my 5D MKIV. The only time I’ll use the 5DMKIV is when I’m shooting weddings, or going to heavily depend on cropping. Also, the dynamic range on the 6D is pretty amazing. I’ve pushed my editing to almost 3 stops before I see the files fall apart. Some of my favorite files have come from that camera. 6D + 40mm pancake + 1/8 - 1/4 diffusion filter!
The 6D+40mm is a terrific combo, which actually makes it pocketable 😂 I have a white 40 attached to my 5D Classic and a black one to my 6D.
another vote here for the 40mm!
@@villagranvicent Pocketable? Compact for a FF DSLR but you would need a big pocket!
I got a 6D few months back on your advise and I have never been this happier. Thanks a lot Martin.
Great to hear!
Thanks once again Martin, your opinions are always informative and greatly appreciated.
My pleasure glad you enjoyed it Taff!
Excellent comparison Martin, i have a 6D mark i and love all the positive aspects you have explained, but also have a 7D mark ii for faster moving subjects. All with canon's L series EF lenses. I had photography as a hobby back in the late 1970's and 1980's shooting Pentax 35mm equipment, bought a canon m50 and quickly realized that i needed to get used professional gear, Your videos have helped me decide on getting the 6D for landscape photography. Keep up the great videos!
I just bought an almost new 6d camera with 40mm 2.8 lens. Its so sharp and snappy. I did photography back in Highschool with a 50d so the autofocus isn’t even an issue for me. Im in love with this camera😍🔥
That 40mm 2.8 is a sweet lens. On the 6D it's a great all-around lens. The downside for me is that the 40mm works so well on an old IR converted 20D that it pretty much lives there.
6d was my first real camera. I still love those files. It seems that canon colors went “off” when they started trying to make cameras into video cameras. Just my take. I seriously think the 1dx that can be had for under 1k…and the 5dsr is the biggest budget powerhouse combo you can get and for less than a single R6 or R5. Can cover sports or stills easily.
Such an excellent video. I own both cameras--everything you have explored here rings true. 6D colors are lovely right out of camera. There is hardly any other camera to which it can be likened. It reminds me of the child of the Canon 5D classic and the Leica M8. And that is very good thing indeed. The RP sure is a bargain considering its capabilities. Professionally, however, I would never choose it over the 6D. The 6D has served me well in event photography and I've never had a memory card failure so the single card slot is a thing that seems fine. Very good comparison video.
Thats fair enough, everyone has to make their own choices for what suits them best, 6d is a fantastic camera and it sits just behind the 5d classic for me as their best cameras they made.
Thanks Martin for sharing!
My pleasure!
Love your videos, Martin. You are so clear and I learnt a lot from you about differences of Canon cameras character and sensors.📷❤️
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Thanks Luca, good to see you again on here! Hope you are well.
@@MartinCastein I am fine Thanks, Martin. Best wishes to you 🤗👍
Great comparison between the files of the 5d mark ii and RP. I bought my 6d after seeing a video a few years back where a guy had done over 1m shots on a 6d! Must pick up another one.
I like the RP a lot but sometimes the battery just suddenly shuts off without warning! I didn't know about the batteries running down, I will look out for that.
Fascinating, thanks Martin. I've only had my 6D for four weeks or so, but thus far I would say it is a fine landscape, street photography, portrait and still life camera.
The sensor always delivers realistic results, with rich and yet natural looking colours.
I enjoy just using the centre point on the AF system and then recomposing, having come from a manual film camera. Used in this way it gives consistently great results.
The metering system works fine just left at the default Evaluative mode.
Overall it must be one of the best used full frame DSLR camera buys out there at present...
Thank you, thanks for the feedback on the camera too. i think the best value for money is the 6d and the Nikon d800/d750
Great review Martin. Like many, I've also had both cameras and have the RP now. The RP wins for me for all the reasons you mentioned, mainly being a better "all rounder". I also thought I was losing my mind because the Canon battery in the RP keeps losing charge even when the camera is turned off. Thanks for explaining that this is just "how it is" with the RP, I'll stop worrying about it and will just keep topping it up.
Hey, do you know if other batteries besides Canon lose their charge like that? Would you go with Canon or something else for batteries? Thanks a lot!
Trying to decide between these very two cameras, thanks for making the video! Determined to go full frame. The 6D is very tempting due to it’s low price ($250 USD). As an amateur that wants to improve, coming from a Sony Nex 5t (mirrorless)… I’ve become accustomed to seeing the exposure before taking photos. I’d like to learn the exposure triangle better and the thought of getting such beautiful images straight out of the 6D, breath taking. But I’m hard pressed to give up that exposure preview. It’s nice to push the shutter with confidence! Going to use this camera for family photos/video and tempted to jump into some real estate photography and perhaps help with an occasional wedding or event. At the current price point for the 6D I can pick up a decent lens, less that lens with the RP (used $600 USD). Might have to stick with the kit + nifty fifty for a while haha. I’m still pinching myself that full frame is even in this price range. But just enough of a gap here to make this difficult. Any advice?
Man, another awesome video .
Glad you enjoyed it
Currently own Canon 6D Mark I and Sigma 50mm f 1.4 and thinking about going for Canon RP + CANON RF 50MM F1.8 ST. I do assignments. Why change? The one and only reason right now is that it would be so much easier to take the camera with me while traveling. But I'd still use that same camera for paid assignments too. Maybe would get the Canon 50mm 1.2 later.
Thanks again Martin for your vids, this answered a few questions for me as i'm on the fence with getting the RP, would love if you get your hands on a 6DMarkii, as its a contender too, its just i feel i'm on the same page with you on your reviews and your opinions, thanks for your real world attitude, the only channel that makes sense to me, stay safe
No problem 👍 Id like to get hold of a 6dii to review but yeah, no idea how or where from.
Thanks for your honest evaluation. I think I'll hang on to my 6D.
I love all this stuff and am interested in trying these old bargain DSLRs & comparing their RAW files, but I used to shoot with a Nikon FE and subsequent manual & AF film bodies back in the day. I always think it must be a real culture shock for people who have only ever used mirrorless and then come to these 10-15 year old DSLRs which don't automate everything for you. It's well worth it though, when you consider £350 for a 6D or Nikon D700 vs £800 upwards for a new mirrorless & converter for your old lenses.
6D is an amazing camera. I've bought the 6D mkII, because the used market was so crazy where I live, that the price difference was absurd. I dear friend of mine has both and he bought the mkII only for the autofocus and the tilt screen. For landscape photography and for an old school photographer (like me) the mkI is awesome. Thanks for share your thoughts. Have a nice day Martin.
Thanks again Riccardo! The mark ii having the tilt screen for landscapes is a game changer, its the best invention.
i use the EOS R in the same way you describe the RP. i believe the color tones on the EOS R are very close to the 5D4, maybe not as "creamy yellow" as you have described in this and other 6D YT vids, but to my eye, it's a wee bit more brilliant than the RP. thanks for your effort and sharing. i have just subscribed to your YT channel. thumbs up.
Thank you for the comparison of the two cameras, especially the raw files; it helped me to know I made the right choice for me by purchasing the 6D Mark ii.
For anyone that is curious, I've owned the original 6D and currently use the Mark ii version. I would say the Mark ii is a cross between the original 6D and RP. The raw files from the 6D and Mark ii when it comes to color rendition are virtual identical. I found the original 6D low light performance to have very slight edge on the Mark ii, which is probably due to the Mark ii having 26 megapixels compared to the 6D's 20; as a result the noise becomes a little more noticeable on the Mark ii. However it is nothing a little software tweak can't fix.
If anyone is looking into the original 6D for the image quality, I would suggest the Mark ii with the upgrades and better ease of use.
Thank you again for the information, I am sure it will help others to make an informed choice.
Hey, thanks again for your input! appreciated
Thanks for sharing your views. One small correction (though not material to the discussion here), Canon 6D has 11 point AF array in 6D and not the 9 point array mentioned in the video.
Yes you are quite right, in my mind I just think of it as the same layout but it amounts to nothing more as you say but thanks for pointing it out correctly.
I was using a canon 550d for 8 years and i did a lot of research on used market and got a pretty good deal on a 6d , and i couldn't be happier . She is a such a simple camera to use and i love her so so much . I am using it with a 50mm1.8 and a Tamron 28-75 f2.8 all used . 🙂 Everyone asked me y didn't u go for the mirrorless but i cant explain them how good it feels to use a full frame which feels good in hands and is bang on price .
glad you are happy with it, the 6d is just a wonderful camera.
I have both and use the 6D with my L lenses and the RP for my vintage M42, rangefinder M39, FD, Nikkor and other manual glass.
Really good video. A friend of mine recently posted a question on Facebook asking should he upgrade his Canon 6D to a Fujifilm XT2? My question to him was what is your Canon 6D not doing for you that the XT2 would he really couldn't answer the question, so then I asked him are you chasing gear? Then he said that he wanted a better auto focus system. I quickly responded, well. You ain't going to get that with the XT2. Then we talked about using just the center point focus on a 6D and recompose. It amazes me how many people do not realize this simple and old technique. I suggested to him if autofocus was his main goal, then the RP would be a better value but at the end of the day the 6d center point focus gets the job done. He then responded well. I went to the camera store and they talked me out of the rp and suggested the R5. I just rolled my eyes. He wanted to keep it under $1,000. Then they tell them the RP is no good in that the R5 is the way to go. Pretty sad if you ask me. Then they tried getting them into a used XT2 with a kit lens for $1,000 lol. So I went to his house and brought with me and XT2 and the 60 mm macro and we did a session together. Needless to say, he is sticking with the 6d and was glad he didn't bite on the XT2. This is not to say the XT2 is a bad camera, it's just a different camera and did not align with his needs compared to the 6d. In conclusion, this is what I like about your videos. You break things down in such a way that you potentially save people thousands of dollars.
I can kind of see why people look away from the 6d probably due to the focus point layout its just one of those cameras you dont appreciate properly until you compare it to other cameras. then suddenly it becomes more clear. Ive had 2 6d cameras both at the same time and sold them both, worst decision i ever made regarding gear.
I just re-watched Dustin Abbot's comparison of the 6Dmk2 and 5Dmk4. The shadow recovery of the 6Dmk2 is just terrible, like a much older camera.
Such a shame because I was hoping for a 6D with flip-out screen and dual-pixel AF. Canon always make sure that your perfect camera isn't out there.
HAHAHAAH ah that really made me laugh that should be their tag line Canon " always making sure your perfect camera isnt out there" love that hahah thanks for that. Yes I feel your pain!
The dynamic range on 6d mark ii is poor
Perfect video, perfect timing. I've spent the day watching your videos, weighing up between 5DC, 5D mk ii, 6D mk i. If I was thinking of buying an RP in 9-12 months, which body would you recommend in the meantime for up-skilling? EDC, street, family, social with an interest in perhaps some paid work post-upgrade.
5d ii if you want to save money 6d1 if you can afford it. If you get the rp I’d suggest getting the little grip extension plate canon do it’s cheap used but expensive new.
@@MartinCastein I think another budget consideration that hasn't been mentioned when deciding between the 5D mk ii and the 6d is the cost of storage cards. At least in the US, the cost of the 5d ii plus a CF card will be roughly the same cost as a 6D. Taken that into consideration, upfront costs between the two will be nearly the same, but if you buy additional storage in the future, SD cards for the 6D will be much cheaper and widely available, compared to CF cards for the 5d mk ii.
@@vuronica You don't need to buy CF storage cards for the 5D MkII: I bought a very cheap adaptor, CF to SD and always use Toshiba Flash Air SD cards, that gives you functional WI FI transfer as well. I don't think 12$ for an adaptor would be considered too much for anyone.
@@Leptospirosi Good point. I hadn't considered adapters.
I wonder why they change colors each time if most people consider earlier Canon colors the best already? Or is it that it is not possible to get exactly same colors anymore in modern sensors? For example would it be even possible to get 5D classic or 6D colors from Canon R5 sensor? Or is it that every color engineer wants to leave his/her own mark and adjusts color to his/her own taste?
I would love to have option where I could simulate any earlier Canon camera color with my current Camera. For example I could decide to use 6D colors on my R5 or 1D Mark IV if I wanted. Or even just any of the 5D series.
I think its because its different teams working on cameras and im not sure but im not convinced they know how to do it again.
Things like putting a worse sensor in the 6d mark ii than the mark 1 can only come from different teams working on different projects and simply fulfilling the brief they are sent. Unless they are completely sadistic. Actually its probably that.
I use the Cannon 6D and love the images. I was thinking of also grabbing the Nikon D 600 to use as a pair of bodies for some paid work.? Would that be realistic? I'll be doing graduation parties, some concerts., maybe a wedding even.
I wouldnt pair them together Peter because matching the files will be a nightmare and waste of time. If you are going to start doing paid work id push you to the 5d mark iii if thats possible for you. Dual card slots and better focus system and overall nicer handling will be better for you. You could shoot most of an event on a 5d iii and use the 6d as a second camera. Youll find the 5diii easier to live with overall.
As an old film guy focus and recompose was SOP. I still find I do that more than anything. I have come to really like the AF on my 80D, but I still have no problem going right back to the old school on the 6D. I've commented on enough of your videos so it's no surprise I am a big 6D fanboy. It's just a hell of a workhorse of a camera with lovely images and an ISO beast. It's a very usable camera. Looking at various R series I would have to step up to a higher model to replace the 6D and I don't do enough anymore to justify changing EOS to R. And I do appreciate the battery life of the 6D. Not knocking the RP as it seems a good little camera. It's just hard to find something that makes it truly worth spending bigger money when the gear I have is so capable. Glad to see you are still making videos that give usable information for the various levels of photographers.
yeah i think the 6d is just such a good camera. i really love it, and its great to have such a simple yet capable camera, still holds up to all the modern cameras without any issues at all
Would love to hear your thoughts on the R6 20mp body compared to the 6D. Have you had a chance to test one?
Sorry I havent used one.
What would you recommend between the 6d mark II or the RP for someone that does rodeo, motocross, wedding, and boudoir photography?
The RP but you have to be willing to put up with the batteries
How would you compare the colours from the Nikon D610 Raw and JPEG’s to the Canon 6D , do you think the canon colours are better ? Thanks
Yeah the canon colours are a lot better overall really but the D610 is good too.
I sold my RP and bought a 6D. 2nd time with the 6D. Great colors, fun to use BUT the moment you put it on a tripod, you miss the RP. And seeing exposure before you shoot is also a plus on the RP. Using the 6D is a little more difficult and takes more thought and attention. If I did events all the time, I would want a more sophisticated focus system than the 6D’s. Maybe the 6Dii. Not so much the RP because controlling the focus point was one of my biggest issues. Maybe an R (has a joystick as far as I recall).
I am replying to my own comment. Canon just reduced the price of a refurb RP to $599 in the US. So I bought one. For events I will now be using a 6D and an RP. I am making an effort to learn how to really use face and eye tracking (mixed success so far - moving the focus point to the face I want to track takes more time than focus and recompose - but still working on it). In bright sunshine, the DSLR OVF is better but the mirrorless technology is sometimes very helpful. The combo will be very effective.
Interesting, Martin. I've been considering the RP as a route to mirrorless for a while and already have a 6D. I don't video (if I needed to I would use my phone for that - its just easier) and don't think the RP really offers enough for shooting over my 6D - focus/recompose is fine and for any action shooting the centre focus point works great because I mainly shoot horses in competition, just keep the centre point on the horses shoulder. The pics from the 6D just look great with wonderful colours to boot. Its a super camera for "enthusiasts", I wish I had bought it 10 years ago!
Maybe I need to raise the budget and start aiming for R6 or R5!
I have the 6D also, your comments summarize my thoughts too. I watch several RUclips travel channels, and they use phones for their video main camera. GoPro's for when they are moving, keeping the video clips at about 4 seconds so you don't have time to nit pick the details. Seems like the most expensive tool they own are the drones for special angles. Canon has totally dropped the ball as far a offering video feature in their lower end cameras. I wonder how many Canon users have left Canon for Sony over the video features. They still are using the cripple hammer on the R10, not offering log files. Why they dont compete with the Sony A6400 and ZV-E10 for video is just crazy, they are losing so many customers.
yeah i agree I feel like Canon just doesnt want to see that there is an entire new genre of vlogging/travel etc they want to ignore it and pretend it doesnt exist. I face these issues too as I have a lot of plans for this channel including travel as well as street photography etc and ive bought a gopro 11 and other bits and pieces. Its a real issue, i feel like Canon see themselves selling the most cameras though so dont care.
Tony Northrup uses about 10 Canon RP in his studio to do his talking head videos. They are cheap, autofocus well and require minimum post processing, so can efficiently get videos made. He states that most people are viewing his content on phones, or laptops and on those platforms, people dont notice the difference between the 1080P and the 4K. If he is outside the studio, he will use the Sony A7SIII, for the IBIS.
I thought it was just me, I have noticed after 2yrs that my sl3 images have alot more pop and better color than my rp. I been thinking about getting a 6d as a beater/backup after but listening to this it might become my everyday camera.
Ordered a 6D yesterday. Spent twice as much as I needed to for an almost new 15,000 click unit. I probably plan on getting a 5Diii but I’ve never owned a DSLR; only mirrorless and I got a ROS 1N which I love so was looking for the same in a digital experience. Many photogs lock their centre focus point anyway, I don’t and I’m not confident a 1.4 lens is suitable for the ability to focus.
you just need to test your lenses with it, a 1.4 might be fine, might not be, just seems to depend on variations. Youll enjoy it its a wonderful camera.
I’m also not thrilled with my R5 colours. I delivered a wedding processed in LR using faithful colour profile and greens pulled back, but I’m craving that gorgeous canon standard colour. I paid for Capture One the other day to try and achieve this. I’m wondering if I need a permanent white balance shift to warm it up.
I have heard sigma lenses on canon push the colour slightly magenta so I’m wondering if all the RF glass could be a touch cool.. I’m really not a camera nerd here just chasing that gorgeous colour that I feel when using my Fujis
As far as I know the RP can focus bracket … I’m not sure whether that helps with the colour rendering but it help with the dynamic range?? It also has focus peaking that helps with manual focussing.. what do you think? Love your stuff., .. I watch em with a beer.. !!!
Hi John, yeah it does focus bracket which helps with depth of field and exposure bracket but you can do all those things on any camera manually really. The dynamic range isnt a massive issue for me as such. I hope you enjoyed your beer!
I have bought the 6d mkii new few years back. The biggest caveat is the auto focus. Now i have a fuji xt30 and what a difference. Thinking of a r6 mkii cause i love eye tracking. Is the r6 similar to the fuji af?
I havent used the R6 but most likely the focus on the r6 ii will be a fair bit better than the fuji.
Should I go for the 5d iii, RP or r6 or R for just starting out and wanting to do professional work?
R6, newer features and dual card slots, better autofocus.
Can someone confirm the fast self-discharge of the canon RP Batteries? Like 10% overnight sound like a lot. That would mean empty after week of storage.
This is very against what LI-Ion batteries can do.
I’ve bought and sold a 6D twice now and always regretted it. Snapped one up again last night for £200 with a genuine battery grip! Now I can focus peak again with Magic Lantern using vintage lenses 😅
£200!!!!! thats an absolute bargain... might have to ban you from the channel for that...👀 but really well done, keep it this time!!
Dayum. UK prices are fire. In Germany the low mark is around 300. But I wait!!
@@MartinCastein it had a cracked rear screen bezel and mode dial pictures missing. £10 to fix. Shutter count was a gamble, thought it would be 100k + but it’s at 46k! Forgot how small and light it is compared to the 5Dc which I’m used to. Magic Lantern is so good for the extra features too. But have to run firmware 1.1.6 for it. Thanks Martin :)
Hi Martin, Thankyou for sharing your experiences with these camera's! :-)
Do you have any experience with the EOS R.
If so, how does the auto focus hold up compared with RP and does the EOS R output a better file?
Cheers Chris
Hi Chris, yes i have owned the eos R, its a better camera than the RP in basically every way, Im not sure its worth the price difference though and I think the focus feels pretty similar but the sensor in the R is better than the RP. Both are good though overall.
@@MartinCastein thx for your reply m8.
I'm not too sure what these cost new but I see you can pick up the R pretty close to the RP (second hand) so just thought I'd ask.
I guess the R uses the sensor from the 5Dmk IV ?
Cheers
yeah it does, but its a better camera by a fair bit over the 5d iv due its focus system and tilt screen, its a solid and good camera. You wont go wrong with it.
@@MartinCastein forgot to ask.....
How do the files look straight out of camera, do they require alot of work or do they retain that canon colour science.
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@@chrissmith7069 the rp is better for colour science, the r is "ok" but it has a slight green tint to it same as the 5d4 its not really much of an issue but you will probably feel it. its better as a camera than the RP though and the RP needs the little grip that canon make for it. If im honest though the R does have a colour cast to it slightly and it does need a bit more work.
I believe I'm not the first to point out that... *6D has 11 AF points* , so it is "advanced" compared to 5D\5DII\550D and others... while it matters not, BC the really usable is the centre one. And I confirm it is fantastic, especially in low-light. I own 6DII and not sure the centre point is as sensitive as on 6D (but compensated with all 45 being cross-type (with few f/8-capable in the middle) + vast DPAF capabilities in LV). When I got 6D for review (it was my second full frame after 5D Classic) I was amazed by centre point AF and high ISO performance + normal Auto-ISO (unlike, say, weirdy 5DII). For the price 6D is great and feels much better in hands than RP. Not mentioning bigger battery, better ergonomics, enormous lens variety without adapters and no freaking EVF lag during shooting (BC it's got flawless OVF)... Sure, if you need video with DPAF, flip-out screen, clean HDMI, EYE-AF and stuff... RP is your choice. It is also good for the price.
You are quite right its is 11 not 9, i dont know why i thought it was 9 still after having used it so much, probably because they layout is similar and you are still mostly stuck with the middle focus point. Incredible camera as you say, i prefer it a lot over the RP but the RP is the more practical camera if you want to do any video. Ive added the little canon grip to the RP and that makes it very comfortable and nice to hold. Thanks for all the additional input it too.
Martin, what do you think of the Eos R?
very good, if you are considering it then i recommend it
Regarding the 6D battery life I came from the 90D so to me it was "worse" haha, but it still lasts multiple trips which is really great, compared to my first DSLR the 650D which basically had to be charged after each outing.
I really do miss the articulating screen though. I make do, but every time I have a strange angle I think damn I wish I could just pull the screen out. I would totally pay a camera modder who could install one.
Somehow I fall in love with the 6D more and more as time goes on. I know I'll have to move to mirrorless one day, when all my DSLRs are dead and it's too difficult to get another one, but I just have no reason to upgrade. Maybe not ever?
The tilt screens are so useful but for the 6d is the best portrait photography camera out there after the 5d classic but the 6d more practical. Mirrorless is probably an inevitable move but not a required one.
For more then a week now I'm trying to choose camera for me. After few days I stick to Canon or some sony a6300 or similar mirorless. All technical specs or test results drive me to the solution that I don't want :-) Thanks for that movie and thanks user's comments that also help.
I'll stay with that solution that I really want :-) Cannon 6d (probably mk1).
Go wit what feels right for you
(disclaimer: I'm a hobbyist) 6D was my 'studio' and 'astro' body from the second year it was available in Canada. I replaced the 'studio' part with a used 5DSr last year.
A used 6D with low shutter count is beyond cheap at the moment. What the camera will do is only limited by the finger pressing the shutter.
I agree with a lot of what you say. Ive used an 80D with all of my events, with sigma 17 to 50 2.8, because it gets the job done and ita easier, lighter and cheeper..... BUT.....
As Ive been occasionally integrating the 6D in to my work flow, Ive noticed the photos, colors, contrast, skin tones, etc...Come out so perfect and nice right of camara, that I dont even know how to edit them.
I get scared and think about not including them in the final seleccion because of possible issues with clients, because of how much nicer the look.
The thing is .... I take from 6 to 10 hours editing events from an 80D, but take little to no effort editing 6D photos... All I would have to do is get better at changing lenses fast and using the 80D on zoom ranges my 6D lacks at the moment because I work with only three full frame prime lenses.
So if making it a bit difficult in those two hours of event, could help me sava 6 to 8 hours of editing, that would definitely be worth it.
I only thin this would be true about photography with humana, because of the skin tone issue. Others types like realstate are probably not worth it .
Thank You for the video. Very informative :)
Pre Covid I did quite a few events (1 or 2 a month). I used my 6D and a second camera. The second camera varied but at one point I had the 80D and a Sigma zoom. In the end I sold the 80D and Sigma zoom and bought another 6D. Having two identical 6D’s really helped in shooting and in editing. The subtle differences in controls between the 80D and 6D caused some problems and also the 80D and Sigma zoom combo images just could not keep with the 6D. With two 6D’s, I usually had either an EF 28mm or 35mm on one and an EF 85mm on the other (later on I added an EF 135mm which is an incredible lens). I rarely had to carry both at the same time. I would go back to where I was keeping my gear to swap cameras as required. I have a big event coming up next week but only one 6D now. I will use a Lumix M4/3 camera with their excellent Leica 15mm lens (30mm FFE) for wide/group shots. A second 6D would be even better but Not a current option.
The 6d mk1 has got to be the best full frame bargains around now . Simple to use , fantastic photos, and cheap as chips. The ideal photographers camera . Dan.
Its definitely up there, its between that and the Nikon D800 id say.
the D800/D810 is a nice file but you better nail exposure because it's very easy to blow the highlights. thumbs up.@@MartinCastein
I have the RP andI agree it’s easy to use. I also have the 5diii and a 6d. For some reason my version of the 6d is a bit less sharp than the 5diii. I’m not sure if it’s the “creamy” quality of the 6d. I have yet to get a second 6d next week so I will compare that new unit to my 5diii. I have to say though that the handling and feel of both 5diii and 6d are so much better than the RP! I also like that I do not have to worry about changing the battery that much compared to the RP. Between RP and 5diii, the color of 5diii is much better. Between 5diii and 6d, I’m not sure yet as I think there is a ‘veil’ of some blurriness on my 6d that affects the overall impression of the photos.
the 5diii applies sharpening to the raw file in very high amounts thats why the files look so much sharper, you can do the same in editing. for the rp if you add the little grip canon do then its much much better in terms of handling, worth a look.
@@MartinCastein thanks so much for replying! I’m getting a 2nd 6d this week, I will compare the sharpness of the two copies that I have. The current one I have has about 49k shutter count, the one on the way has 10k-ish. I don’t expect this to affect the sharpness in anyway, right? I noticed with the one I have has a bug trapped in the viewfinder- this does not show up in the photos and I don’t think it affects the autofocus/sharpness either. If there will be a massive difference between the two copies of my 6d, I might just send the first one to Canon for servicing.
@@angelo89 how was your experience with the second 6D ?
@@sauravbasu8805 it was just me. Both 6D units are fine. Colors are very natural
I agree with you colors out of Canon 6D is much better than RP. RP is just too flat.
Just found this. Tbh I have a 6d mk1 now. I came from a 750. It is a great camera. But including the grip it’s heavy. I do a lot of portraits and model shoots. On location etc. So I need something that performs and is not that heavy. Mainly shooting with my 85mm and 40mm. So I’m kinda leaning towards the rp. Although I love my 6d
We are cherry picking a bit anyway: I have both a 4000k shutter release 5Dmkll and an RP and love both. The 5D has those "Wow" moments, when the light is right, but sometime I find the RP to be more "polite" about color rendering.
The only thing I don't quite like completely in Canon are the Greens which always seem always a bit Yellowish.
The sky on the other hand is outstanding: I call it Canon Blue and really you can't find those colours anywhere else. The 5Dmkll has it more, the RP has it but slightly muted. No camera has ever ever matched the 450D sky tones through: those sky and clouds pictures were work of art, straight out of camera! I wonder why that sensor was dropped after just one iteration and I didn't like the 500D a bit.
I will add that the 5DMkII sees colours the RP do not: I was testing some blues with a tint of green in them, the 5D somehow was able to make the tint distinguishable, but the RP was just changing them to straight blue, completely another colour form what I was able to see. Panasonic, Olympus and Nikon also was butchering the tint in the same way as the RP: Initially I was thinking of lack of Bit, 8 vs 12-14, but the 5D can see the difference and has an even older sensor.
About the battery dropping the charge overnight: I have the M50 mark II, which is the APS-C little brother of the RP, and it has the same issue! The battery drops quite a bit of charge overnight. I never measured how much exactly, but the drop is enough that the camera dies on me when I am making videos for my channel, versus having enough charge for the videos when I use a freshly charged battery. Briefly, it's a nuisance. Especially as the battery compartment can be accessed only when I remove the camera from the mount.... likely similar scenario for the small RP body as well. On the other hand the 5D classic battery lasts ages. I can leave it in the bag for half a year, and it's still ready to go for ever. Once I had a battery left untouched for 6 years, and it still had plenty of juice.... : ( )
Will not buy anything new from anyone. The 6D is great, bought used, and just perfect for my needs. I just also picked up a 1D mk.4. I can't wait to get this camera.
Well I was really considering going the Canon R route lately, but this new BS of Canon blocking third party lens makers to make lenses for the RF system is so disgusting to me that I am running from canon...even if it was very tempting to go that route and use EF lenses with the adaptor natively....but even the thought of thinking that the nice RF lenses aren't even an option for me in the future (since they are too expensive for me) makes me even more furstrated with canon. The famous Canon cripple hammer effect. So I am staying with the Sony and/or Fuji system that is for sure....Would you consider to review some older Sony/Fuji bodies in the near future? (X-t2, X-t3, A7R II). That would be nice.
I totally understand this, ive used nikon for most of my pro work for various reasons and canon for various personal work. Im going to be keeping the older cameras I have and moving towards Nikon myself. I also find it totally unacceptable what Canon are doing and wont be buying any further into their mirrorless system.
@@MartinCastein Martin I wonder why you are not interested in the newer R camera models? I mean, the R5 is an absolute beast, with stunning IQ, like a 5D on roids, also the new R6ii seems to be pretty amazing. I want for my next body a 30+mp sensor, I wonder if Nikon will release a "Z5ii" or Canon a new EOS Rii, which I doubt...
First one to comment :)
Gud Comparison. I regret selling my canon 6D.
hhahaha well done, i regret selling mine too, i had two of them at the same time.
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I like how you review these cameras from experience and don't need the bodies for the video. Please find a D200 sir
eventually i expect i will get hold of one!
WOW! Thank you so much for bringing this to attention. I have been saying this for years, in fact ever since the 5DSR generation which I believe is the last Canon breed with good "canon colors" as we know (or knew) them. When I first got the 5D MK4 I was really upset with the colors. Dull, cold and simply...not Canon. No matter how much I tried I never got them to fly. And since then I have been waiting for Canon to reverse-engineer their own oldschool color process. So far I see no evidence of any progress what-so-ever. Files are clinical and...meh! Need lots of work and they usually don't end up where I want them. I need LUTs for that and still not close. Clearly I am not a colorist nor is that my intention.
People tend to say "it's digital, get any colors you want" but miss the fact that sensor design, filters and the CFA make a HUGE difference, especially in RAW files. Ironically the same people think color science is only for JPEG.
i have an rp and i left it in it's bag for more than 3 weeks without touching it and the battery was full when i opened it.
if your batteries discharge it's because you don't do use them properly
Ah so you have a solution can you explain?
@@MartinCastein actually i learned how to do it and all my batteries on all my devices keep they charge even if not used for long periods.
like most manufacturer of rechargeable batteries recommend i do the same thing every time and it never failed.
when you for get the battery you recharge it for at least 12h and the first time you use it you discharge the battery completely.
it"s that simple, even if batteries don't have a "memory" anymore they do require an initial charge and full discharge before you start using them.
this work for all batteries i've ever used
always keeping the batteries charged.
when not in use would be the best to use less charge cycles.
the first time you let it discharge completely, after that you recharge them to full charge even if they were not used that much.
it's better to always keep the batteries full and put them on the charger after each use.
anyways try it and if i am right you will have a better life, a better battery life that is. ;)
took 500 pictures with my RP today and it was left with the battery in my bag for the last 3 days. battery was full when i turned it on. original battery that came with the camera when i bought it 3 years ago.
i don't use my camera as much as you obviously but i work with power tools and i "break in" my batteries the same way and they always keep their charge through week-ends and even weeks in the tool box.
i would like to thank you for the videos about the 5d line and the 6d.
i will probably buy a 6d just to get that creamy canon look with those lovely colors.
torn between the 6d and the 5d mkii because on the used market it's bit cheaper.
keep up the good work
cheers!
I just bought a 6d mk II (to flip it) and I already have the 6d i (and the 5di and 5dii) and the 6dii is just not the same. It is disappointing. The colors don't look the same and I would not recommend anyone to but the 6dii. but the 6d mk I. it has very nice colors.
Interesting thanks for input !
Finally...
Another victim of your wisdom. Sold my RP (made some profit) and got used 6D for 300$. Paired it with 50mm 1.4, 70-200 f4 and 100mm f2. Was unhappy with Sony skin tones (a6xxx). Keeping my ancient Nikon D200 also. Would love to see a mirrorless alternative to 6D. Some lens recommendations would be much appreciated also. Keep the great work!
Haha glad you got one ok I will think about a lens recommendations video
The highlights did not seem to recover as well in the RP, and if that was straight out camera, the 5D2 was already way ahead. I’m surprised. I need to go shoot a few like that with with my 5D2 and R camera. I have found I lose a lot in the shadows if I push the 5D2 too much but usually only if I really missed exposure initially.
I wonder why some company couldn’t make an extension grip for the RP allowing the use of LP-E6 batteries instead of the 17s. I’m sure there is a really simple answer why they can’t but they’re able to make a camera that captures a still image using nothing but 0s and 1s!
Yeah the dynamic range is noticeably worse on the RP but the 5dii isnt great either for that but still... The eos R is a LOT better in that regard. I just have no idea why canon bothers making any mirrorless cameras with those tiny batteries just seems pointless.
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Cameras like the 6d and the Markii are absolutely brilliant. You cannot replicate the overall feel of these camera bodies. That being said I would never just own one of those cameras. I would use them as secondary cameras to get specific looks and shots. I need two card slots for work and very very fast Af ability that these cameras do not have. Also focus and recompose you tend to need to shoot a lot to get those 1.2 1.4 shots. Once you are into the Rp o would consider the EosR which is more capable in many ways or of course going further into the R6. Although I HATE the R6 files. Colors are horrible compared to Nikon z6 or z7 line. I would say in the mirrorless market the best for color and file quality is the Nikon z7 the Sony a7r3 GFX 50sii those specifically gave great quality output and I’ve tested everything. But you will never ever find anything like the 5d markii and 6d even the 5d markiii NO WHERE!
100% agree with all of that, guess who just bought a z7ii.....
@@MartinCastein great purchase here’s another heads up use the adapter and very good G lenses like the 105 1.4 or the 50 1.8g those bring so much more character to the files. Let the ibis do its job. Sigma 35 1.4 art also amazing. 24 or 28 1.8g. Please use it to make some videos would love to see the video output and how the experience was for you.
oh the videos will be coming, i will get the adapter and use some of the older lenses too, this is all in the pipeline for the channel now. I get hit with a few minor setbacks here and there but cant wait to get going.
@@MartinCastein Adapting EF lenses to Sony E mount. Reading the reviews on the Sigma MC-11, some EF lenses do not autofocus well, and none of them continuous autofocus for video. Saw a video on the 7Artisans adapter that apparantly will autofocus EF for video on Sony E mount. Looks promising, if it works, they will sell like hotcakes.
That strange because I always heard the 5d ii had garbage dynamic range
I don’t think it’s to do with dynamic range it’s just the processing the camera applies to the raw file.
Martin, I couldn't agree more with your findings. That is why the 6D should be called the 6D Classic as a worthy successor of the 5D mark 1...
It deserves that seal of approval because the files have great IQ but also "personality". As a side note, the output from the 6D is basically identical to the R6 in my casual tests, nobody could tell the difference in real-world situations, as you said DXO charts are useless.
The RP, well, I love mine because makes the job of taking product shots of my wife's jewelry business super easy, the files look sharp and colorful, and the client (my wife) is happy, so do I! But I know the output looks kind of generic and it is more difficult to fine-tune the RAW files than the 5D/6D ones.
By the way, I bought 4 Artman spare batteries and they work great and last quite a bit, only downside is they don't show the % remaining, says full all the time until they simply die.
Cheers!
Thanks Ricardo nice to have your feedback on this too!
The Problem i would have with the Canon RP would be the battery life
I don’t know it’s not that bad really depends what you do, if you shoot more than 4 hours a day then maybe like weddings etc
Stil using 6d....its a workhorse
RP color is very poor, from the RAW to LCD and viewfinder, it is very very desaturated, also shadow recovery is terrible, I shooted underexposure once, had to throw all the raws
Picked up the 6D for £200 in good condition. Honesty speaking it’s a great b cam to my EOS R. Its centre point focus is a beast -3EV 🫡