Is Sokka's meteorite sword in Avatar The Last Airbender forged accurately?
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2021
- Some good things and some bad in how Sokka's meteorite sword has been forged. Some of the bad things could be explained by it being a montage, but without being shown... Difficult to know.
Yes, I compare it to Japanese swords. The show isn't strictly modeled after Japan, but Japan did do some of the forging techniques shown here.
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Me nodding along action like I know about blacksmithing cos I watch forged in fire
"Hmm, yes yess, water cooling, hardening ...yes." "Awesome farrier work, amazing"
Same
Love that show
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@@mallikapatra5033 thanks
If it was a carbon iron alloy (steel), quenching the whole blade in what seems to be cool water isn't good, this is due to it being too hard and can easily shatter like glass. But considering it is from a meteorite, it might contain all sorts of other metal in it such as nickle, zink, copper and much more. So it really is a misterious alloy with unknown properties. So it might be a good sword.
High carbon steel has many types, some can use water and some can use oil or even air. Some steels that are not resistant to extreme temperature changes should not be quenched with cold water.
A meteorite will likely not contain any significant amount of elements heavier than iron, if at all. Stars don't fuse them.
@@Noorthia that’s a load of shit when you can google that platinum can be found in different meteorites and asteroids and it has an atomic number of 78 where as iron has 26.
@@WeyounSix Keyword that you ignored was "likely".
@@Noorthia still completely misleading since it’s not impossible and in the video he acted like it was a low likelihood. You’re making it sound impossible or too difficult to be reasonable for essentially no reason
I think they just put together some things that you would do with different swords, and hoped to not shatter it all, because they had different materials for soka to choose, but he wanted something out of this world
Nice pun
The time that passed in this episode still boggles me.
I try to think about it as way more than what they wanted us to believe so that it makes the episode way better for me (which it was already one of the best episodes). They didn't care about eclipse time other than that village episode so make yourself believing to more than two days (lets say weeks or even a month) is actually pretty easy.
The series has started to fall apart for me a bit with the 1 year time limit. Especially because I am a Korra fan and people raging about how "unreasonable" she is. Makes you skip over the details of the whole thing less.
So Sokka spent roughly 2 days learning to become a super profficient swordsman. And Katara became a Grandmaster bender on par or above Paku before she finished puberty with a miniscule amount of official training (literally able to take on a master bloodbender.) Not to mention how proficcient Aang got at Fire and Earth bending in just a few months.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 I agree with you on that. I'm actually a big Korra fan myself. It's a good show in it's own right and atla isn't without it's flaws either. The pacing in atla is what through most things off and the charm in Korra is different from atla. None are flawless, but I can't get behind the Korra hate either.
@@keeran9306 The thing is that Korra feels like it just needs a bit more room to breathe tbh.
Avatar The Last Airbender's most beloved episodes are the character episodes. Zuko Alone, The Southern Raiders, The Beach, Tales of Ba Sing Se (for Iroh,) and a few others. When I want to watch ATLA, I pretty much only watch those episodes. They weren't there to move the plot along, they didn't help stop the Fire Lord, they didn't tell us about the Fire Lord's plans, they didn't give every character screen time and a B-plot. They have the room to breathe and paint a rich portrait. And they are 90% of what people refer to when they gush about ATLA (no one is talking about the Drill.)
Korra Alone is by far my favourite episode in all of Avatar. It paints a rich detailed portrait of what it is like to struggle with mental illness. It shows the development of a character who has struggled and changed and is just trying to improve. But it not only does all of that, it also progresses the plot and helps to catch people up on a time skip. It is *everything* the Southern Raiders and Zuko alone is but also progresses the story.
Imagine if Korra had the ability to have more of these episodes. I adore Bolin, Asami, & Mako (in that order,) and I can buy into the plight of benders versus non benders. But imagine a S1 where we see that struggle Mako always implied, and see how no amount of money and influence can protect you from a fire bender. An episode following a young Mako mugging an innocent non-bender because Bolin needed medicine, fast, and Mako didn't have any way to get that money other than bending & crime. And on the other hand we see Asami's family getting mugged by some ruffian desparate for money with them not being able to do anything to protect themselves. One that leads Mako to hate crime but still want to protect his brother. One where Asami's father swears vengence but Asami promises to protect the weak. One that visualizes the animosity and fears both sides of Republic City hold.
I feel like with an episode or set of episodes remotely like this the narrative on Korra would be reversed. It would be people (except neo-nazi's like E;R) gushing over the way Korra is unique yet contrasts ATLA so well. The series is so wonderful, but they just didn't have enough character episodes to get recognized as such.
Sorry to ramble/vent, but the thought just struck me recently and fellow Korra fans can be hard to find.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 That's true. I got a friend on atla that recently told me the 'filler' is all over the place. I told him that that's where all the funs actually at. I've always loved character centred stories more than more plot centred ones. I'm always watching characters and development. And in those random scattered episodes of atla is where j saw the best characterisation.
Korra alone also struck a chord. With Korra we didn't have as many of those character episodes like we did in atla. But when we did I enjoyed every bit of it. But I would have also loved to dig deeper into more of the characters. Just a teeny tiny bit more.
Huh. Honestly surprised
That had a lot more negatives then I thought lol
Probably due seeing stuff like that done in fantasy way too often lol
I feel like some of this can be excused because it is a "space sword" made up of a very strange material. We saw Toph at the end of the episode able to manipulate it in ways we have never seen Rock normally move.
Though it isn't that far off from what the Lava star in Korra looks like or the rock-dense metal they use to teach beginners.
I'm curious now on what procedure would be apropiate and how it would change depending on which type of blade you want to get. It would be interesting to see in a future video
Basically, with weapons, you want your molecules (crystal lattice) all going in the same direction.
Your blade will be weak to forces enacted on it in the direction perpendicular to that lattice.
So you'd literally never want to cast a weapon. This pools the molecules into random chaotic crystal lattice, which are no good. Since now your weapon is weak from ANY angle.
With forging, you hammer and fold and push everything, over and over, until the lattice is uniform and going the direction you want it to... THEN you shape that bad boy.
Once you've shaped it and gotten everything lined up. You quench the steel and hope to glob, it doesn't break.. otherwise you start over.
If you're successful, you grind an edge, attach the guard and handle.. pommle.. and move on with your life
First of all you would do alot more material refining. Multiple batches of metal would be produced and than separate the bad material like rocks and cool it into ingots. Repeat with the ingots until you have a few high or desired quality ingots and then proceed with the rest of the forging
It would also depend on tool access/material access given the time period (roughly) that Avatar takes place in technology wise, where they seem to be around iron working levels everywhere besides Fire Nation, which can consistently produce high quality steel as seen with their many steel based weapons of war. In the real world, typically meteorite is just too lacking in metal (at least in a smaller chunk like provided in the show) to really have enough workable metal in it on it's own to form a successful sword. There's tons of videos out on the concept, usually the meteorite material has to be at least somewhat supplemented with other metals to form a workable material. The concept is a biiig challenge for anyone who tries to tackle it, especially at the tech level of the general world of Avatar.
By Korra's time you'd have access to stuff like presses and other powered tools so the exacts mirror real life a little more heavily (if in republic city anyway) but considering that no one on the team was likely too familiar with forging outside of fantasy tropes and not wanting to get too into the minutia of it all went with this sorta hybrid real/fantasy approach.
@@NeverBetter23 giving them the benefit of the doubt if it was a relatively metal dense meteor, I would say the tech level avaliable for sokka would be 1700s to early 1800s which is advanced enough to be able to separate the majority of impurities
Well the major challenge would be the first smelt. Assuming the meteor is more alloy than stone, like shown break it up into smaller manageable pieces, place into a crucible but add supplemental iron from other available sources. Given technology level they have access to blast furnaces which can remove impurities but given this is a personal forge, can't go that route. Ideally they'd want a sealed crucible with glass and additional carbon like charcoal to bind with the impurities and add carbon to the steel respectively, and a high enough heat to fully melt the metal, not a partial melt. Assuming a full melt and cool down, we'd be left with a puck of very good quality alloy steel, I say alloy because meteors have other trace elements and alloys that bind to metal well.
This would be called wootz steel, and it needs to be worked slowly at lower temps to preserve it's integrity and avoid cracking until it starts to work easier and easier. Shaping into a full sword. The temper would be nerve wracking, I might do a heat cycling, heating up and cooling down before I attempt to do the quench, in room temp or warmer oil, followed by the tempering. They made a han dynasty styled jian, which has a prominent central ridge and diamond cross section, focusing temper efforts at where it's thickest will help minimize ruining the heat treat from the quench. But once properly heat treated, polishing, sharpening, putting on the fixtures, etc.
I always thought about this, "realism" in stories. I get it how it made the stories much richer and relatable (if you have the knowledge or experience of the event that be presented), but i think the most important part to me is this:
The length of researchs and readings that authors did before they publish their fruitful creativity
I think, the moment when i saw my fav story using some realism in things that i know and relate of, that was the moment i TRULY appreciate the author's work. I do also study about realism and daaamn, it was REALLY hard. Details to see and remember. The amounts of videos and webpages i saved. I dunno if it was worth it or not but it was FUN! And i just really am happy seeing another works did the best in that part!
I mean it turned out pretty good considering it could cut through a steel catwalk like butter
So how I saw the casting, was closer to making the slab of hot metal, (I can’t remember what it is called) since they heated it to a liquid, which is necessary for purification, but isn’t done when forging. So they cast it to cool it back to a super malleable solid, which they then forged and shaped. So it was decent there, then it would’ve been quenched, and yeah it should’ve been quenched in oil or with the clay pack. Then the handle would be shaped and affixed. Then it would be sharpened on a grindstone, followed by a whetstone sharpening, and then honing. Then the sheathe would be stenciled from the blade, and the leather would be stitched and the hardware would be affixed to the sheathe and the leather would be hardened into shape. Then you’d do any scrollwork into the leather and do any fancy-ness to the sword but that’s optional and at this point you’d have a fully functional sword.
Man at Arms made this a while ago. They usually try to simulate these kinds of techniques as closely as possible, and have a bunch of cool fantasy weapons. Great vid Marcus
In avatars defense I don't believe that meteorites in the Avatar Universe are actually made of iron, they're made of a fantasy metal it's easier for earthbenders to bend like Play-Doh as opposed to bending normal metals
Since bending metal is bending the impurities in the metal it's possible that meteorite would be easier for earthbending bc meteorites contain a lot of things that aren't pure metal
Shit also slices through steel like butter.
Meteorid is common material for making Keris and Javanese sword or Javanese weapon in general along side with steel because it is contain nickel and titanium. But meteorid material now is harder to find here so the Empu (tittle for master who make the blade) use nikel and steel instead. But if you want to have one he will ask you quiet high prize, because he must bought that meteorid from anywhere avaliable.
Note: Javanese weapon which made by Empu usually is personal or family weapon. So it is always custom made by checking your personality. It is important especially for Keris, because Keris represent the owner personality.
Normal weapon is made by normal blacksmith.
Thanks for the review of the video. I Love ATLA and this channel.
I definitely agree with everything he said Also, from my awareness, metal from meteorites tends to be very soft. So without showing any forge welding or the addition of higher carbon steel to the crucible, sokkas sword cuts other metal items way more than it should. Thankfully the show is one of the best things ever made! I think that means we can forgive their lack of accurate metallurgy and smithing.
That quenching is the quenchiest
As a blacksmith and historian, I’ve thought about this and I have a couple of notes:
1: you’re right about the air pockets and imperfections in cast iron. Typically you want only wrought iron or steel for blades.
However, if you think about it, all iron or steel starts out as either cast or, usually in history, you get “blooms” of iron or steel out of a smelting furnace that you then need to work with hammer and anvil to make into wrought iron or steel.
So, i suppose it’s not beyond the realm of possibility to cast the rough shape of a sword and then work it to a more wrought state. The problem is that the working process to make cast iron or steel into wrought iron or steel typically involves folding the material to further rid it off impurities. Not always, but most of the time, but that would defeat the purpose of casting it into the rough shape in the first place.
2, even if we start with the cast shape and the hammering isn’t just to convert cast to wrought, in historical smithing you wouldn’t want to just take it over to a grinder to add the edges. The sharpening stones or wheels they had were for finer polishing and sharpening, not the high grit mass material removal modern grinders and belt sanders are capable of that he mentioned in the video. Historically speaking, you would indeed want to hammer to draw out the edges of the blade as a time, effort, and material saving measure, smiths like to say “five minutes in the forge saves me an hour on the grinder”. Plus its the difference between removing more material and just moving the material around. With a material as rare as asteroid iron, you’d want to lose as little as possible to the grinder.
3: the point about quenching is…. Partially right? Though i don’t know why you’re bringing in katana making when discussing a scene depicting the forging of a jian. They’re two completely different design philosophies. The katana sought to create the sharpest blade humanely possible, the Jian was more concerned with making two good enough edges. For a katana a chip or crack in the blade can kill the sword. For a Jian you just flip it over and use the false edge as your new true edge, much like any other double edged sword.
…that and the fun of false edge cuts on the back swing. Gotta love ‘em.
But yeah, just like any other double edged sword you usually quench the whole thing equally.
Man at Arms made the Space Sword. It was made from an actual meteorite so forging it into a sword was difficult. Some metal chunks would break of while molding them in place that's why he had to cast other metals to keep them in place. It did look like it was a good sword in the end though.
I was going to try forging a sword using that episode as a How To guide.
Thank goodness I found this video.
Your probably better off making a knife blade instead. And to be fair, forging modern swords is abit easier, since you can literally just buy steel blanks that are already 99% pure and in somewhat of a blade shape, you just need to heat treat, carve and grind it into shape. If you look up Arms and Armor they have some pretty indeph guides on their forging process.
I always chalked up the hammering to them beveling the edges. This method was used in some mass produced irong blades but they were notoriously lower quality
The problem is that the meteorite had strange properties based on how Toph was bending it. It could have been the best longsword ever or the worst. It could cut through solid steal pretty easily later on so it's just some kind of mystery metal. I kinda wish they explained it a bit more.
Cool vid! Can you cover the swords in Dune (2021)? They look almost like large files
Do you do any breakdowns on swords made in books?
Idk why, but differential hardening is a fun word to hear in my sword video
Water quenching was not a Japan only thing. It was practiced in other cultures as well. Such as China.
Even Europe sometimes used water for quenching, but they preferred oil.
I need you to explain the whole clay used on a katana thing in more depth and also make the "because science, thats another video" video cuz I really enjoy your videos and I would love more kinda long ones like this and def longer
You ever seen the wavy lines along a katana blade? That’s from clay. Or, it’s meant to imitate that anyway. The clay would insulate the spine of the sword, the part without an edge, so it cooled slower. This made it softer and, thus, more flexible, while the edge was harder.
A harder blade retains an edge much longer (with the trade off that it’s more difficult to get that edge) but risks being brittle. Whereas a softer blade doesn’t hold an edge but also doesn’t snap like crystal stemware: it tends to bend under intense pressure instead, which is easier to repair. So the spine was made softer so if the sword were to fail the edge would chip and MAYBE the blade would bend rather than the whole thing shattering. Of course, swords did still break, but all in all it was much rarer than it could have been.
All of this was to make better use of the sub-par material they had available; contrary to what some fan boys would tell you the iron in medieval Japan was hot garbage compared to what was available on the continent so they had to find ways to make it work.
The short version is that hard steel is more brittle, but soft steel deforms more easily, but hard steel holds a sharp edge better.
The faster hotter the temperature & the faster the quench, the harder the steel.
Wrapping the spine (non-edge) part of the blade in clay results in less direct contact between that steel and the quenching medium (typically oils these days), resulting is a slower quench on the wrapped steel.
That gives an edge which is harder steel than the spine, providing superior edge-holding abilities with a less-brittle blade overall.
Also, cooling hot steel too quickly can warp or even fracture the steel
There are hundreds of videos on katana forging
@@VisonsofFalseTruthsIt wasn't really sub-part to begin with. If so, mind explaining why?
Poggers :D i loved the avatar when i was younger
Can you cover zukos dual swords next?
Now, knowing how it’s made and it’s materials, how would it, (plus Zuko’s and Jet’s) swords work irl.
Zuko's blades are twin dao blades and Jet's are twin tiger hook blades. Both are modeled after existing swords. (Sokka's meteorite sword also looks modeled after an existing sword, the Chinese jian, but you've heard why it was casted wrong.)
Scientific Cartoon review, thank you, brother.
Overall it's still a lot better of a smithing scene than most. And I want to say the casting looked like more of a billot shape than anything, so the hammering was likely to shape the bevels and make the shape. In the business blacksmiths say you're a good smith if you can hammer your blade 90% to shape. This was probably implying they were able to hammer it 100% to shape which isn't impossible, but not realistic. And yes, tempering the blade in water is not only not used in most modern smithing, it's dangerous, as going from yellow hot steel to cooled ins seconds is likely to snap the blade due to the crystallization of the grains in the steel happening so quickly. So quenching oils are used instead, due to oils having a much higher boiling point, allowing it to handle the hot blade, and visa versa, allowing the crystals to form more fluidly, resulting in a more stable grain and therefore stable blade. They also didn't sharpen the blade, so I think it's all implied the hammering was able to perfect the blade's shape and cross section. Which yea, ain't happening unless you spend an unbelievable amount of time on it.
What is that music?
so instead of puring it into a mold what would be the appropriate way to make the sword? since it was broken down and then heated to molten? with some swords they usually heat up the steal start hammering it and sometimes folding it. so what would be the correct way in this instance?
It should of been molded into an ingot then heated and hammered and folded into shape.
1:12 what if they're hammering the flat side from the open mold?
A small counter point. If they had to melt the meteorite to get rid of the impurities it does (at least in my mind) make sense that they would first pour it into a mold first to get it into a solid shape to work off of and then reheat/re temper the blade and start the actual forging process
They should have poured it into an ingot mold and forged the sword from the ingot
That's what I was wondering as well
@@jowade3963, they did. The ingot just had a ‘creative’ shape. There’s all sorts of ancient forging techniques spelled out in ancient texts that have unnecessary or apparently pointless steps which only begin to make sense when you consider that many of them are the combined sum of millennia of oral tradition beginning from *long* before they were first written down.
Think of it this way. The teachings started way back with bronze. Things are learned & teachings are tweaked or added to, but the step of pouring the molten alloy into a mold remains necessary, so they keep using the same *style* of mold even though (having moved on to steel) they then end up folding, heating, and hammering (forge welding) the cast ‘sword’ into something more akin to the ingot you’re referring to as part of the process,
These sorts of steps also helped introduce carbon into the steel (from the charcoal forge) which was spread more uniformly through repeated folding.
Tradition & ritual don’t simply vanish overnight. They often morph into steps which are more symbolism than science. An example of this that I read about was a set of instructions for heating & quenching a blade which had an apparently unnecessarily long wait between pulling the blade from the forge for its final heat to a higher than normal temperature, and the quench. Somebody did research as part of their thesis, and ended up figuring out that when following the instructions to a T, that delay was just about exactly long enough to let an assistant do some prep work without the blade becoming too cool to properly harden in the quench. Some long-dead smith didn’t have good time management, or didn’t manage to properly parallelize the work he and his apprentice were doing, and built a portion of the heat, prep, quench sequence in serial. He taught his apprentices to do it that way, they taught theirs the same, etc. Until eventually someone in that chain documented the process, and centuries later some academics were puzzled enough about the distinctions to analyze it in detail and figure out why.
i just now occurred to me that like tea it requires all 4 elements to forge a sword, earth for the metal, fire for heating, air to make the fire hotter, and water to quench the metal
I'm no expert in this buy I'm pretty sure that the meteorite sword isn't supposed to be of Japanese origin for two main reasons. 1, the Avatar world in the last Airbender was molded after ancient China rather ancient or even 'modern' Japan. 2, the style of sword seems to be very similar if not molded after a Jian sword, the double bladed sword with a blade the size of the users are mainly seen in martial arts Manhua and typically associated with ancient Chinese martial arts.
The Island of Kiyoshi/ the south islands being the exeption, as the Kiyoshi warriors use the katana, so I'm guessing that little island chain is ment to be representative of Japan.
Avatar’s various cultures are modeled after multiple different feudal-era Asian cultures. The Earth Kingdom is most heavily inspired by China, but the Fire Nation draws its primary inspiration from Japan.
@@Vessekx and thecwater tribes are inuit for some reason.
And air nomads tibetan and sheolin monks.
Doesn’t quenching in water cause the blade to warp?
it can, but thats something you can experience with an oil quench as well, the biggest danger with a water quench is cracking the blade, which has happened to me and is not fun in the slightest
To their credit.. they do use traditional Japanese box bellows.. which is something I came to check as I’m making my own rn lol. Thought of Sokka.
Can you make a video of how a meteorite blade could be forged? Like the one from Mongolia - The Sword of Mars?
Purely depends on the meteor. Every one is unique.
When I saw that part I thought it was the coolest because of the Sword of Ares.
I agree with all the pouring and molding things, but it’s a double edged straight Jian. why the hell would they have clayed one side of it? Why even bring that up?
I feel like Toph did a lot of metal bending in the background to make the sword actually good.
Man at arms actually made a meteorite sword based on this design for anyone interested
Bye, Space Sword 😭
Why compare a Jian to a katana?
Without watching... no
This is not forging.. this is casting
Please could you review some of the weapons from the game Genshin Imapact.
8th year old me : Wow that's sword looks cool
Me now : No, no, no , noooo !!! Molded blade is bad
Mono-quenching a sword entirely isn't bad, if you have done normalizations to reduce stresses, structure, among other things. People also used salt-water to get an even harder quench than that. What matters is how you temper the sword afterwards, and you can heat up specific areas to be more flexible and leave the edge harder. It achieves the same result as the Japanese method ultimately, and those guys probably had to temper their swords too, since after quenching, all edges are quite too brittle for any regular use.
Forging process of hammering is also good for steel, because it forms the grain structure according to how it's formed, if you cut a knife from a plate of steel without forging, all of the grains run straight on it. However if you forged it, the grains would follow according to the tip and the tangs. Even in modern steels, it provides an increase in strength of the steel, if you did everything right.
That whole sword could be just martensite if it cooled too fast
Which is really brittle if I remember my materials class properly
interesting......
Im like 95% sure toph could re shape the blade if need be, however i did enjoy the space sword segment
after watching too much man at arms it hurts to see scenes like this
Just random, daydream lore, The mold was stored there for the project of decorative bronze for a wealthy citizen, out of novelty, they wanted the swordmaster to make them, Sokka at that time,
found the mold. The swordmaster decided not to tell Sokka of the mistake, and would when seen as a failed sword, give Sokka one of their own, or- yeah nevermind I feel like this isn't working...
I haven't seen this episode in a while but I don't know if we know it's made from Iron and we don't know how meteorites work in the avatar world.
Because Science
your forgetting piandao is a famous sword smith in atla so there must of been more done to the sword then what we got to see.
If you may please do genshin swords and claymores
The claymores are optional
Okay, I am not a sword maker but..... sokkas sword isn't a katana? So it makes sense there would be no clay? I thought the sword design they used was quenched entirely, but I guess not in water? Like I said, I don't make a lot of swords, it's just weird you pointed out a katana technique as a flaw when it's.... not a katana.
It's a jian.
@@TheLithp so.... in writing the comment I didn't know what to call sokkas sword. I wanted to say a more "European" design in that it had straight edges, 2 blades, and a hilt, but chose to differ to mark twain on that. Anyways, thank you very much. Did not know the Chinese made straight swords, I looked up the Jian on the wikipedia. And while it did say it used harder and softer plates, it didn't say anything about using clay to achieve that. So it still comes off as weird he would sight that for criticism. Regardless I now know a little bit more about swords so thank you
He didnt point out the lack of use of clay as a flaw. He was just pointing out that thats one of the few examples where you wpukd want a sword to not be uniformly heated.
the biggest crime in blacksmithing is quenching a blade in water
What I don't get is they have an earth, water, and air bender teamed up. The ways in which they could improve the forging process are non-trivial. Even from something as basic as Aang removing most of the air around the molten metal as it is poured, to Toph being able to sense the amount and possibly type of impurities in the metal, to Katara being able to induce a super-heated, pressurized state in the water so that sword cools down slower. If Katara can turn water to ice and back, removing and adding heat, then she can do the above.
That ruins the point of blacksmithing in this scene. It's about sokka working hard to make a sword. Outside interference wouldn't get him recognition
Oil quenching is much better and reinforce the sword, water is a different medium.
I can answer this before you finish the word "well". The answer is hell no.
why does he take the katana as a reference? sokka's sword is a chinese and not japanese.
or am I wrong?
The cultures in Avatar are inspired by a mix of various feudal-era Asian cultures, and not all Japanese swords were katana or even curved. Also, by feudal Japanese standards, Sokka lacked the *station* to carry a katana. (I don’t have a lot of reference art on hand, and it’s been a while since my last watc=thru, but I don’t recall katana-like weapons being particularly common for *any* of the major cultures.
@@Vessekx no, but this is very much a jian and doesn't at all resemble any Japanese straight sword, from blade shape to hilt construction. It's got more in common with a European longsword than with any Japanese sword.
Hes just giving an example of a sword thats not made of pure hard steel. Not comparing them. Then gave an example of a nation that would mass produce sword and spear blades.
I actually forged a knife in new Zealand
Also, I get the significance of making your own sword, but I kind of have to wonder, why not just get Toph to metalbend it into shape? We've seen her play with meteorite metal like it's modeling clay before lol
Metal benders bend metal by bending the impuritys in the metal. A sword needs to be purifyed to be made strong with the impuritys removed.
@@robertharris6092 We never see them do any other processing though. They cast it, they don't even really forge it into shape that much.
Also, I thought metal benders could bend just about any metal, because it all has impurities in it. High quality platinum being one of the only exceptions, and we only see that in Legend of Korra. I don't think we once saw metal that Toph couldn't bend in Avatar.
Don't worry, he threw it away
Day 3.5…4..? If asking for a sea of thieves episode 💀
But ain't all those bad points only if you asume the material it's made? I mean we don't know what kind of metal they are using
Good video. Please let the world know we wanna keep the dislike count.
In fantasy, space metal is special.
Which makes perfect sense.
We use fantasy to escape our reality and you're telling me there is a metal not from our "reality"?
I think sokkas sword is more like a Chinese straight sword
Yes. Avatar takes more from mainland asia. It looks like a longquan sword.
Shouldn't we also ask if this is accurate for how the Chinese would've forged blades back then? I wonder if it's very different or very similar to the West's method.
Also Iron loses to steel
Eh its magic space metal, Toph has used it in all sorts of wacky ways so its clearly somewhat magical in nature. Space sword as good as it needs to be 😊
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most of those scenes were made just to be impressive instead of accurate... that's why sokka's sword is black, to look badass
Clearly this guy doesn't know anything about swords. You sokha, you made a fantastic sword
You could make a fully functioning capable sword using the techniques shown in Avatar.
A very weak one that would be trivial to break. Let alone when he tries (and does in the show) cut through solid metal.
I’m confused as why you compared sokkas sword to a katana. Wouldn’t it be better to compare it to the Chinese Jian since avatar is heavily influenced by Chinese culture? Also going by looks it seems designed after the jian.
The forging method was closer to that of a katana
You should've compared it to Chinese forging not Japanese. Because of the style of sword they where forging
The techniques they used were closer to Japanese forging.
@@MarcusVance it had literally *nothing* in common with Japanese forging besides the water quenching, but that was done all over the world.
I don't think you actually know what you're talking about at all.
I think sokka's sword is made of steel it's iron with a nickle inpurity
Okay, but what do Katanas have to do with this? Sokka's sword is clearly based on a Chinese Jian, not a Japanese Katana
The forging process in the show is closer to that of a katana than the jian.