First Zwift FTP Test | Why do one? | New cyclist aged 40

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @jaredlash5002
    @jaredlash5002 Год назад +32

    You should know that if you're using ERG mode on your trainer for the ramp test, then it doesn't really matter what the size of your chainrings is since if you're using a higher cadence then the resistance will decrease to make the same amount of power. It should, generally, feel the same regardless of the gear you're riding. Some trainers seem to provide a more even feel when riding a small gear, some seem to do better with a larger gear. I've found my Wahoo Kickr does well on the small chainring and whichever rear cog provides the straightest chainline.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +11

      So best thing to do is make sure i have a straight chain line?

    • @jaredlash5002
      @jaredlash5002 Год назад +2

      @@thewattlife Pretty much.

    • @PCXMODSGR
      @PCXMODSGR Год назад +2

      Most devices are better with small chaining because of the slower speed of the flywheel ! I personally find more realistic the big ring(also 52) as the small ring puts too much stress on the joints(i dont think it helps climbing as most say) even with rocker plate !

    • @PCXMODSGR
      @PCXMODSGR Год назад

      @@thewattlife Yes !

    • @michael1
      @michael1 Месяц назад

      Yeah my wife told me the size of your chainrings doesn't matter and you can have as much fun riding in the little ring. Although after a few drinks she'll often talk to her friends about Tom an ex who supposedly had a 54/40 chainset 🤷‍♀

  • @jaketaplin6075
    @jaketaplin6075 Год назад +9

    great video chap!! Last few videos have got me back to riding on Zwift! Got a 1 hour 45 min ride tonight

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Nice man, anytime you want to link for a ride or a zwift race hit me up. Always keen

  • @a_diverge
    @a_diverge Год назад +7

    Going to be trying the EF education coaching next to improve my cycling. Currently 53yrs old with 264FTP. The ankle surgery did not help me but im back. And like you i do spend alot of time on Zwift.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      I havent heard of that. I was just going to jump into a simple Zwift training plan and then actually start doing some leg strength work and see how that panned out. My big gear ability is horrible... i feel like i need a lot more strength

  • @mumblecake251
    @mumblecake251 Год назад +4

    Good luck with the FTP Builder training plan. 3.5W/kg definitely puts you in Cat B territory, wouldn't be surprised if you manage to get it up to 3.8W/kg by the end of the training plan :)

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      Fingers crossed. Would love to get up to 4 w/kg by the end of the year.

  • @muratmustafa4532
    @muratmustafa4532 5 месяцев назад

    Really enjoyed the video. Found lots of commonalities. 41 years old being a cyclist for one year and a science background. Had similar questions in mind. So invested in heart rate monitor, power meter and a computer. Tried the FTP test on road and failed to do it. I guess it is difficult if you do not have a perfect road for it. Also I am still struggling to keep the power consistent in a small band. I am mostly putting too much or to little power. However, Garmin's auto detect FTP proven to be useful. It detects my FTP from my usual rides. Probably it provided much lower value than regular FTP test as I do not do all out 20mins full effort on my usual rides. But it is still useful to get the ballpark figure until I can find a good road to do the real FTP test. While the idea of planned training seems to be great, based on my failed FTP test, it seems sticking to a specific training routine is difficult when cycling on road with ever changing gradient, junctions and traffic.

  • @Borneo-rt7mx
    @Borneo-rt7mx 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for sharing mate. Just got a power meter and planing for my first ftp

  • @olih27
    @olih27 2 месяца назад

    The Zwift ramp test is brutal. It's amazing how quickly you go from this is boring can we skip up a few more intervals, to absolute pain and falling off the bike

  • @cryptocretin
    @cryptocretin Год назад +1

    I just tried the normal ramp test yesterday. I was doing the ramp test lite before as I'm new to cycling. Was a bit silly as I had done some high intensity stuff the day before. I've managed to go from 150ftp to 198ftp in 7 months so far. 5 weeks of that I almost did nothing as had issues with my left foot pointing out and ended up getting knee pain and having to keep stopping for days at a time. I also found on this test my heart rate didn't get really high on the test but higher than yours. I didn't feel out of breath at all though and I was the same as you where I just failed because my legs could not go any more.

  • @TheWelshRunner
    @TheWelshRunner Год назад +1

    Great work Max. Nice video and solid FTP to work from. Will be watching with interest to see how some structured training impacts your performance. I’ve never done the Ramp Test and always opt for the 20 minute test on Zwift. Might give this one a try at some stage.

  • @travismorgan3252
    @travismorgan3252 Год назад +2

    Being 40 years old myself, it's crazy seeing the difference in your heart rate vs mine. I'm at 115-120 just getting on the bike, not even turning the pedals, but I also hit 180-185bpms almost every time I ride.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      HR is very dependant on the individual, i have a friend who is 41 and will regularly get into the 200's.

    • @travismorgan3252
      @travismorgan3252 Год назад

      @@thewattlifethis is extremely fascinating

    • @PhantomMs1
      @PhantomMs1 5 месяцев назад +1

      Very fascinating, I'm 38 and also have a relatively low max hr of 165 as well. My other cyclist friends are closer to the 195-200 max hr at similar ages 36-41. For a while I was worried something was wrong with my lower hr!​@@thewattlife
      As ripped as you are what would that ftp be in w/kg?

  • @luxsasha
    @luxsasha Год назад +1

    Idk how I landed on this video but ended up watching 😂. Great attempt, you’ll do better the more structured training you do and after you do a few of these. It’s always shocking for me to do 20m intervals at 300 the first week back after a structured workout break and then it’s just uncomfortably normal. The ramp test is kind of the same way, once you build the base up more the whole thing becomes easier. ❤

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Thanks man appreciate the advice

  • @Markhypnosis1
    @Markhypnosis1 Год назад +1

    As we get older I wouldn't say ANY muscles are superfluous. I think this is a mistake a lot of cyclists make, trying to drop body weight including muscle mass to increase w/kg, and this makes them weak with less bone density. I'm 51 and been road cycling for 3 years. I have an ftp of 300, weigh 81kg. So my w/kg is 3.7.
    The only way I want to increase my w/kg is to improve my power. Keeping Muscle mass is so important after 40 for general health, so I'm definitely not going to be giving up my muscle building weight lifting sessions.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Yeah man i feel you when i comes to health and living a good life, there is definitely a balance, a lot of what i talk about is relevant to me personally. I spent a few years climbing as a sport and no longer really need the shoulder strength so theres definitely so areas i can change the shape of my body. Still planning on lifting some weights to build the power just wont be excessive with upper body sessions ;)

  • @russellbanner589
    @russellbanner589 Год назад

    Well done Max. I did the 20 min test as my first (and only) FTP test with no idea what to expect or how to pace myself. Good choice going for the ramp test! 😁 270 is a good score in my opinion, so well done!

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      Hopefully get it up over 300 by the end of the year

    • @russellbanner589
      @russellbanner589 Год назад

      @thewattlife will eagerly watch your progress mate!

  • @werdsmyth
    @werdsmyth Год назад

    Solid effort. And ramp test was the best option. Wouldn't even both with the 20min FTP test. Don't worry about heart rate, that should be gradually ramping up as the power does, so what your heart was doing was totally the right thing. Racing is different because you need heart rate spikes alongside the power spikes, whereas this is all about a gradual increase of effort to failure.
    One other observation. Think your saddle is a bit too high. Hips were rocking left and right towards the end, which is a sign that your saddle is a smidge too high. Would recommend dropping it by maybe an inch and you should find you'll rock less at the high power efforts but also unlock a bit more power from your glutes. Would go so far as to say you'll be closer to 280w FTP just with a slight saddle drop, before any further gains from the structured training.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      Will give this a try and drop it a few cm's

  • @everydayzwifter
    @everydayzwifter Год назад

    Nice one. One of the more interesting Zwift FTP tests I've seen. Love the lactate info. Thats something I need to work on for points races.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      Definitely shows me that i have some work to do.... or some rest to do... cant quite figure it out but probably both!!

  • @TheChonsey
    @TheChonsey Год назад

    Awesome effort 👍 not sure You had a fan, but in case You didn’t- get one. Gets unneeded stress off of your heart. Unless preparing for a race in hot. But it’s a different topic. Also in the beginning You mentioned your body weight. Don’t fall into this trap of trying to lower it. What most tend to do is try to restrict calories intake and especially carbs too much bringing one to a calorie restricted state therefore limiting the ability to push to the max. Eat enough, eat more carbs before training session, if session is longer- get carbs during the session and there will be a huge difference. Especially You’ll notice how less of a hunger bothers after a trining session. Other than that- I wish You a good luck and stay healthy- its the most important thing. Cheers!

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Yeah i definitely need to get a fan. My weight is more an understanding of what my race weight and weight in general is when im training and being very active. I broke my leg last year so put on some muscle which will slowly disappear over the summer.

  • @mathewrose2951
    @mathewrose2951 Год назад +1

    I do wish that Zwift's 90 day rolling FTP detection didn't make certain assumptions. I'd been doing a lot of zone 2 rides and it kept dropping my expected FTP until I did one of the long new climb portal climbs at 297 watts, top to bottom, for 26 minutes. Suddenly it recalibrates, but you've got to put in a max effort periodically in order to keep it accurate.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      I feel like the odd max effort in a 90 day period isnt the biggest ask but i do know what you mean. I find that racing every now and again has helped. Also starting a new training program soon which should add to things. I I dont really worry about my FTP score as such, more my power curve

  • @patty109109
    @patty109109 Год назад

    Did my ramp this week. I fell apart at the 360. Been riding hard for two months now, but I’m older. I think am naturally well prone to cardio so have responded very well as a new rider. Also I’m heavier than you.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Nice, i think knowing what the experience is like plays a part too. Im going to re-do one before the off season and then get a plan together

  • @DanCave
    @DanCave Год назад +1

    Not to mention that a lot of roadies qnd folk who do time trials fpr twenty five miles have a fairly good handle of their FTP.

  • @alex9046
    @alex9046 Год назад

    a huge front chainring is not designed to mash big gears, it is to keep your gears in the middle of casette so your chainline is straight
    also, get a fan at max power to the face while cycling inside. No air circulation while cycling out is torture

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      I got myself a fan last week and its definitely made a difference to being able to hold top end watts while racing... retest my FTP next week too

  • @rcah5524
    @rcah5524 Год назад +1

    Great Video 👍

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Thanks kindly. Time to get to work with some hard training

  • @DanCave
    @DanCave Год назад

    Sean..thats now how an ftp/ramp test works 😊

  • @MarkRiddellRacing
    @MarkRiddellRacing Год назад

    On the power curve chart Zwift just shows your overall best ever AFAIK. Then shows the current ride compared to it.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      Ohhhh thats great to know, so its not a contemporary thing then- its an all time. Makes it a bit better

  • @Mmmmn520
    @Mmmmn520 Год назад

    I’m pretty sure I did the same ftp builder as you and my FTP before was like 3.5 W/kg and now it is 4.1W/kg but I haven’t retested it only increase because I did the alpe as fast as I could so that gave me a new FTP but if I retested, I think I could get it to about 4.5.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Thats insane and great to know- i need to do more workouts on Zwift, i actually only managed to do a handful when i trained following this. Any workouts you particularly recommend?

    • @Mmmmn520
      @Mmmmn520 Год назад

      @@thewattlife I just did the one from zwift the six week builder

    • @Mmmmn520
      @Mmmmn520 Год назад

      @@thewattlife great video btw

  • @independentmind1977
    @independentmind1977 Год назад

    People seem to forget they need a baseline in order to measure progress. Unless of course, you are doing it for the heck of it and don't care, however these numbers are good to have "just in case".

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      I think a 'first FTP' is the base line. I have a follow up video from this one where i retest 4 weeks later, and then you can visibly see and measure the improvements ;)

  • @benjapolcycling
    @benjapolcycling Год назад +2

    To me if the ramp test is not reaching HR Z5 something is not right. Either HR zone is wrong, you are so new and inefficient on cycling mechanics or too much fatigue to really bring out power and reach up to your cardiovascular potential

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      Yuo i agree, i think i am just quite over trained at the moment and need some time off. So realistically it should be higher but its a good place to start. I am also quite new to cycling and broke my leg in Oct last year so this is an entire rebuild back up to fitness

  • @valiantabello
    @valiantabello Год назад

    Well done.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Thanks. Good to have a benchmark

  • @DieSammelstelle
    @DieSammelstelle Год назад

    Without looking your Video First:
    age 35, First Test 212
    185cm
    96kg

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Not too bad- i was 40 years old, 272, 181 cm and 79kg

    • @DieSammelstelle
      @DieSammelstelle Год назад +1

      @@thewattlife my wall was from 300 to 320, it was Like a Stop after 3 Seconds, i dont know If this is any different for the result, but i didnt Tell zwift to Stop ,zwift counted down Like 15seconds and than stoped by itself.
      I wanna Change my physics, wife and two Kids, and way to heavy. Allready lost 11kg in 18month only by chainging what i eat, now i wanna throw in some fittnes, for me zwift was perfect to get fast in the Bike and be by my Family all the time If necessary.

  • @evanatkins1888
    @evanatkins1888 Год назад

    So mate in short - you jump on and follow the 1 minute prompts until you are toast and the system works it out for you based on that ?

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Yup- there are several FTP tests you can do but a ramp test is a 1 min increase and then you'll be given a rough idea what your FTP is

  • @SliZZn
    @SliZZn 4 месяца назад

    How did u reach such a high FTP as a new cyclist? Im just at 255 :(

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  4 месяца назад

      I do have a history of sport just not really cycling. I broke my leg and had to start cycling 🚴🏻

  • @benoittheminerandgamer
    @benoittheminerandgamer Год назад

    I'am 47yo and i never try FTP test. I i'am able to stay at 192w NP for 1h12, so i'am probably over 200 ftp.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Im going to try and do another ramp FTP test in a few weeks

  • @GarryQuinn
    @GarryQuinn Год назад

    Did you calibrate the trainer before this?

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      No idea how to do that?!

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      …wait- I have the Tacx Neo 2T which doesn’t need calibrating

  • @vikingcove
    @vikingcove 11 месяцев назад +2

    NOT "new cyclist". Shame. I'm sorry I fell for it.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  11 месяцев назад

      I had only recently found out what an FTP test was and up until then had done no cycle training whatsoever. I started using Zwift after breaking my leg last year, in many respects cycle training/racing and events are very new.

  • @dustind9242
    @dustind9242 Год назад

    Why didn't you do a 60 min effort for better accuracy?

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      Thats definitely on the card, i think the first time round though i thought it would be easier to do something that would give me a rough guide seeing as im new to all this. Hopefully doing one soon

  • @shaneromero826
    @shaneromero826 Год назад

    😂 Promo`SM

  • @seanbarman
    @seanbarman Год назад +1

    Why do a 20 min test to find out fitness level for an hour ?. No cyclist goes on a 20 min bike ride probably 2-3 hours yet can never do an hour test ? just put trainer in erg mode for 1 hr at 270w and see if you can now do it. Zwift ramp test is not a n ftp test

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +2

      I think the point is more that 20 min tests or even ramp tests are an abbreviated version of roughly finding your FTP while in a training block. Obviously not everyone is going to be able to taper for a week to then do a solid 60 min TT effort. I think of them as rough guides rather than hard and fast results.
      Also worth pointing out that a higher FTP doesnt always mean wins

    • @DanCave
      @DanCave Год назад +1

      What I have experienced is that ramp and FTP tests can produce different results, based on how rested or trained you are.
      The Coggan/Lim FTP protocol is half an hour long and allows a twenty minute effort and a calculated estimate of what one's one hour function power would be.
      Since getting everyone to do a one hour FTP in real world conditions is quite difficult, the Coggan Lim protocol was devised and is close to real world conditions

    • @user-fy7ri8gu8l
      @user-fy7ri8gu8l Год назад +2

      Because its not actually about ftp60, its about bar setting for interval, tempo or endurance work. Without doing an actual VO2max and Lactate Threshold tests there no need to really get on about ftp60 vs ftp20 vs ramp. All have very poor correlations in large high quality studies to any one physiological threshold. An ftp20 min can under or over predict (more likely over) "FTP" by as much as 20-40 watts. Meanwhile ftp60 min is basically useless for actual physiological threshold finding itself and for many can set you up for under-training during intervals.
      What FTP tests generally are good for is the same thing that fat% impedance sensor on a scale is good for, in its case not at all your actual lean mass, but over time tracking if you're making progress with regards to whatever your real lean mass happens to be. FTP testing is important in the sense that it sets your interval goals and with your heart rate you can see how well it does or doesn't track with your actual experience doing the exercises. Doing a 60min FTP to set your 'threshold' may make intervals far too easy for you, similarly doing a 20min test could set your interval goals far too high.
      Over time a person simply needs to be aware which test results in setting better goal watts for themselves during exercises and keeps them in the appropriate zones. They can then use repeat testing using the same test to 'raise the bar' and track their progress. You're less 'finding your fitness for an hour' and more asking 'which of these tests sets interval wattage that actually match their stated given zones to my performance'.

  • @Wargwarn
    @Wargwarn Год назад +12

    New cyclist is a pure lie. No new cyclist has an FTP that high.

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      New to cycling but have a long history with sport- a broken leg meant I have had no choice but to cycle for the past year

    • @Wargwarn
      @Wargwarn Год назад +3

      @@thewattlife misleading title then.

    • @Boots2Bike
      @Boots2Bike 4 месяца назад

      @@Wargwarnhe's a new cyclist nothing misleading about it. He didn't say couch potato to cyclist.

  • @scalleewagg9746
    @scalleewagg9746 Год назад

    "It's the one thing in cycling that absolutely gives me the fear [...] I'm anxious about it, didn't sleep last night [...]
    But I've never actually done one"
    What? xD

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад

      Ive done many VO2 max tests- fundamentally the same thing. The idea of working right up to complete exhaustion and pushing well passed your comfort zone, its a horrible thought.

    • @scalleewagg9746
      @scalleewagg9746 Год назад

      @@thewattlife I thought that's maybe what you meant but sounded it funny. My apologies I was a bit of a troll. I enjoyed the video though, now it's me who hasn't done one before and it's fearing the tomorrow when I have to face it!

    • @thewattlife
      @thewattlife  Год назад +1

      Absolutely no worries, i just like riding my bike and sharing some content along the way. Im looking forward to my re-test but still about anxious about actually doing it