The problem with nostalgia is that you can never tell when something is really good or if you're going crazy for corporate trash that has zero value because you personally remember it being comforting.
Idk man, the 90's were pretty rad. Nobody looked at an old design taco bell and said, "this is so boring it crushes my soul". Cheesy? Sure, but things had some character at least.
A copy of a copy of a copy, artefacted to all hell, with only a small, fractured semblance to the original idea. It's nothing. It's like (Lame examples) the backrooms coming out after SCP 3008, without all the "charm" and elements that actually made the concept of an endless "liminal" space interesting to begin with. It's just shallow nonsense that just.... insists upon itself.
Ultimately the mark boomers have left is so influential that most things are iterative of that. So you can't really blame one generation or the other when most of it is a homage or commentary on something from before
Though I get your point that yeah, it's stupid that zoomer culture has even less meaning or intention behind it than anything to date. But this is bc zoomers aren't really a separate generation. They're late stage millennials which is why their cultural perception is that of the very bottom dregs of the attitude of the youngest relevant generation.
The problem with a lot of vaporwave art is that its not low quality enough, the VHS filters are way too high quality and it generally doesn't resemble capitalistic consumer products in the 80s or whatever the meaning behind the art is supposed to be. People who make that stuff with the pools, statues and hotel bedrooms are usually are making derivative slop. That analog horror stuff has this same exact problem.
If your "VHS aesthetic" amounts to chromatic aberration filter and .png "00:00:00" overlay over a 16:9 1920x1080 video then it's probably time to consider a career in motel housekeeping
EXACTLY this. A lot of analog horror just BLOWS because they will not pay attention to detail. I especially find it annoying when a creator puts a lot of effort into a project - only for it to have simple mistakes made. Like high res analog. It’s the 80s! Where would they get that kind of quality from 😂 or when they use shitty fiverr tier art and think it’s passed off as something that would be drawn in that time period. The lack of attention to detail is insane
Vaporwave is interesting in that it's made by a generation of people who clearly weren't born in the 80s/90s or were too young to remember it properly, so you're getting an aesthetic based on a speculation of 'the vibe back then' which is cool in its own way. It's kind of like a reverse-form of those early 1900 speculations of what the year 2000 and after might look like.
i think this is funny to read because i remember, i'm from 1999 but I lived in a third world country and we were really poor so we had VHS until 2009, i still have my rammstein live aus berlin Cassette and some other cool shows in vhs. But i get it what u mean.
Vaporwave and Retrowave just takes me back to my childhood to simpler times. Reminds me of walking in malls with mom (she passed away in 2018) so its very therapeutic for me. Call it cope but i appreciate the aesthetics for what they do for me
Vaporwave has largely run its course I think, though there's ways to do it that I think are still good and creative. The "simpsonwave" stuff was when it really began going downhill and became bloated and schlocky, with zoomers in the comments of those videos unironically lamenting "better days" (you want to see some pathetic crap, go to the comments or the live chat of like a lo-fi stream and see the conversations people are having. "I am 15 and my dog ran away from home and my parents hate me and I am Indian and this music is the only way for me to get through" type stuff) It's superficially easy to recreate though, which is why the bloat happened. I still enjoy good vaporwave from time to time.
Lofi streams got so pathetic. When they first started it was like a curated mix of music made by real people, you could tell because occasionally you'd pick up on a song that you particularly liked or hated, meaning it had enough character to actually make you react emotionally. Now it's just a substanceless ambient noise with no discernable highlights. Wouldn't be surprised if the music was now all AI generated to dodge copyright shit.
I'm 43, and I find the fake VHS/Vaporwave aesthetic to be less about ripping off, and more of a longing. There's a deep, deep longing in Vaporwave, a longing for the fulfillment of a promise that was always a lie. I think GenZ is far, FAR more cognizant of that lie. I'm not GenX and I'm not Millennial, I'm in between. I watched the lie fall apart, GenX never bought it, and Millennials deluded themselves into believing it. I think part of the reason Sam can't tolerate it is he's a little too young to have seen the lie form and fall apart. We were promised a heaven on Earth. We were promised Star Trek like levels of prosperity, and part of that promise was that prosperity wouldn't destroy us. The answer to that lie is in books like Dune. We need adversity, we need challenges and limitations to overcome.
@@mindharp That was the cultural meme of the 90s from the perspective of Millenials. Right or wrong, that just seemed like the logical conclusion of everything that was happening. That's what the Woke Left is hanging onto, in a mutated form, and what many like myself have let go. You'll notice that Vaporwave has a heavy focus on the mid 1990's Television, Music and tones that evoke a form of melancholy nostalgia. That nostalgia, is for a future that never was, and never could be.
@@mindharp A good way of looking at it: Go watch movies from like 1997, 1998, 1999. Try ones that focus on the coming of the year 2000. A good example is the movie Strange Days, SPECIFICALLY how they percieve the Year 2000 coming. There hadn't been a 9/11. 9/11 is the day that dream died.
@@mindharp They told us it's "the end of history" in the 90's and it's gonna be smooth sailing for human civilization from hear on out. Then 9/11 came as a wake up call.
I think a big issue with vaporwave type aesthetic is that it doesnt exactly nail what it is trying to recreate. I feel like especially more recent vaporwave has the tendency to mesh with the aesthetic of liminal spaces and it ends up in this wierd middle ground. I think even the concept of liminal spaces has gotten its vibe diluted, I think this has to do with the amount of Vaporwave/Liminal Spaces design being used in a horror context. When I first learned about the term Liminal Spaces, I thought of it more as the feeling you would get when you would load into a multiplayer video game map by yourself and run around. It isnt something that was intentionally scary or creepy, but there was still an unsettling vibe you may get. Now that people realize that the creepyness factor is what people know liminal spaces for, it breeds more designs intentionally creepy instead of accidentally, and it becomes something completely different. Another thing I hate about this type of design is the fake VHS/Casette filters over high quality footage. It is done so much but it just isnt accurate and it comes off as tacky in many applications of it. I believe that instead of trying to re create the top layer aesthetic of the hardware that video was played on, you would be better off trying to replicate the processes of the creation of said content, or even the technical restrictions of hardware for the content, either by using said hardware, or by researching things such as resolution, color space, frame rate, the limitations of older video/ development software etc. to make things feel more genuine, rather than just slapping a whole bunch of VHS filters on a video and calling it a day.
I was born in '93 and vaporwave and all its sub-genres will always have a place in my heart. It just really takes me there. But idk about this frutiger aero thing, I might have to give that one a few more years
Some of the aesthetics of vaporwave I think are really cool and I like the music but all the simpsonswave "remember the 90s" type of shit got tiresome real fast
I think his point is less that it's uncreative and more that it's vapid. And no, vaporwave isn't meant to be vapid. The issue is that when you recycle the plebian interpretation of vaporwave, much of what makes it either appealing or uncomfortably thought provoking is lost.
@@wikipediaintellectual7088 NGL the vaporwave trend has passed and is hacky imo. But it was originally meant to be derivative and intentionally "rip-off-able" because it was originally about late stage 80s capitalism of course anti-caps' don't realize their criticisms fall on deaf ears but ultimately the style wasn't meant to be innovative or original it was meant to rip off the aesthetic of the early 90s and late 80s advertising in malls and buildings, architecture (there some modern horror movies that use this aesthetic their names escape me). It originally started out as a music genre that was a rip off and parody/satire (mostly parody) of chillwave (which was a music genre based around a vague emotion and aesthetic) and hence it was making fun of said music genre by making fun of the commenters on chillwave playlists by making something intentionally eesembling a time and place these listeners often didn't grow up in making them feel nostalgic etc, whereas vaporwave in contrast to the ambiguous nature of chillwave is clearly set in the 80s around the most vapid time period of American history, it also literally ripped off 80s music by slowing music down to be more "aesthetic". So yes it is vapid by its very nature and it's sort of the point of the genre.
@@cartoonhanks1708 The “trend” is just what normies think is cool to emulate for as long as their attention spans allow, and if you consider it to be hacky then you probably haven’t listened to nearly enough of it. You should give Pad Chennington’s channel a try. He sheds light on a lot of good material. _”But it was originally meant to be derivative and intentionally ‘rip-off-able’”_ Not necessarily. It’s a very diverse genre, and generally it’s more about creating a “sound collage” with music and sounds to create an immersive and often uncanny environment. _”because it was originally about late stage 80s capitalism of course anti-caps' don't realize their criticisms fall on deaf ears”_ The anti-capitalism message is only one of many takes that certain vaporwave producers (like Vektroid/Macintosh Plus) had on the genre. There’s immersive horror stories about Virtual Words and the inevitability of death (Infinity Frequencies, Father2006), and there’s also some extremely influential people that seem to appreciate that more hopeful era (Oneotrix Point Never, James Ferraro). _”ultimately the style wasn't meant to be innovative or original”_ That might not have been the explicit point of it, but all of the best end products are innovative and original, and they’re certainly never vapid. And to claim that it’s categorically meant NOT to be innovative/original is false.
@@cartoonhanks1708 The “trend” is just what normies think is cool to emulate for as long as their attention spans allow, and if you consider it to be hacky then you probably haven’t listened to nearly enough of it. You should give Pad Chennington’s channel a try. He sheds light on a lot of good material. _”But it was originally meant to be derivative and intentionally ‘rip-off-able’”_ Not necessarily. It’s a very diverse genre, and generally it’s more about creating a “sound collage” with music and sounds to create an immersive and often uncanny environment. _”because it was originally about late stage 80s capitalism of course anti-caps' don't realize their criticisms fall on deaf ears”_ The anti-capitalism message is only one of many takes that certain vaporwave producers (like Vektroid/Macintosh Plus) had on the genre. There’s immersive horror stories about Virtual Words and the inevitability of death (Infinity Frequencies, Father2006), and there’s also some extremely influential people that seem to appreciate that more hopeful era (Oneotrix Point Never, James Ferraro). _”ultimately the style wasn't meant to be innovative or original”_ That might not have been the explicit point of it, but all of the best end products are innovative and original, and they’re certainly never vapid. And to claim that it’s categorically meant NOT to be innovative/original is false.
@@cartoonhanks1708 The “trend” is just what normies think is cool to emulate for as long as their attention spans allow, and if you consider it to be hacky then you probably haven’t listened to nearly enough of it. You should give Pad Chennington’s channel a try. He sheds light on a lot of good material.
Is anyone really selling vaporwave products? It's pure aesthetic/vibe, background music style. Nobody's praising it as high or utilitarian design. Anyone buying a vaporwave modified car is trded. It's not a thing. Zoomers actually have relatively good fashion IMO.
i don’t think sam is shitting on vaporwave he’s shitting on aesthetically bereft derivative design that is devoid of content and the idea of slapping a few filters on a simpsons clip and putting it forth as ‘content’. obviously mde bumpers have retro electronics influences but it’s a cohesive personal project and it also clearly takes a lot of time to make
okay so the 2010s are next after that for "retro". but that pretty much looks the same as today. there's nothing left to rip off. gen alpha might actually do something original but i doubt it.
The biggest problem is how crazy easy it is to make stuff like it now. You can even make Vaporwave "art" with your smartphone now. When Vaporwave started in the early 2010s, you had to be very much in the know about music production to get into it. There werent a lot of filters you could just throw onto a video or song to get the desired effect. Tech bros and corps just dumbed it down to make it more accessible to people that aren't weirdo shut-ins like myself.
Id like to think vaporwave is the recounting of a slower life for people? As someone who is 31, I remember that very clearly compared to now. Life now seems like its on Adderall compared to 98 - 04.
I don’t care what the aesthetic is, watch out for nostalgia; it will poison u no matter how innocent and yummy it seems. If you drop indulging in nostalgia I promise it will at least not make anything worse
love vaporwave, AND agree 100% on the F40 stuff, I feel the same way about the Countach, more so in fact... an archetypal symbol of freedom, speed, excellence, superlative tech, just sheer beauty
I ruminate often, but never about something as simple as an homage to the past. In MDE they used the japanese sitcom intro which is just vaporwave if you think about it, capturing an essence.
the fake VCR lines and all that are lame, but vaporwave looks kinda cool. If you're into design, lots of stuff like this probably bothers you that is ok to the rest of us. It's like if you build guns, actually do gunsmithing, you probably get irritated by minor details about guns that even the owner of the gun doesnt care about.
Vaporwave was never about "the fundamentals." To be concerned with such misses the point. Like vapor ware, there was very little going underneath it all. A musical version of obselence driven by the incessant consumerism of the 80s. It rips off commercials, chops and screws 80s pop songs, and thts it. Itd be like getting upset at elevator music.
@@BowHunter87 There's a lot of good stuff out now too. It's just less mainstream now. Infinity Frequencies just came out with a really good one a few months ago.
I was born in the 80’s, a 90’s kid. That room they show at 1:38 reminds me of Doug. Synthwave/vaporwave music rules. The “aesthetic” rules. O’doyle rules.
Glad sam is giving the Italians the credit they deserve! I do look like a hodge-podge goblin, with no complembting features and I DO PLUCK cars from the heavens.
Vaporwave started out with an appreciation of the fundamentals, what Sam is referring to here is _after_ when normies found(ruined) things like Floral Shoppe and Yung Lean. that's when the fake VHS filter type people were born i'm pretty sure.
I genuinely have an hatred for zoomers who write an entire paragraph about something being "nostalgic", and the video being an "sad Bart Simpson 12 (slowed + reverb) edit". I hate zoomers (from an zoomer btw)
SAM HATES DESIGN PERIOD. Sam is extremely jaded about ppl who succeed at making art. like we get it, art sucks. but fuck me, he really turned into a complaining boomer.
Yung Lean effectively defined the entire aesthetic. It's pure heat. If you don't have an understanding of the fundamentals- like the history, objectives, or influence... You end up sounding like Mr. Hyde. Art goes beyond design. To conclude that the only substance is gathered from the frame is nonsense. Some of the best art, is bad art.
The whole aesthetics "of the past" feel like they were made by and for people that romanticize "the past". Like everybody says the 90s were peak television and media, but were they really or are we just cherry picking the best of the best and saying that defines the whole era? Idk about you, but I remember a lot of gross-out stupid humor that was just trash, and apparently everyone else thinks so since nobody ever mentions it. It's like how people were just overly romanticizing the 1950s "I Love Lucy" era when Wandavision came out, but neglected to ever think about the racial or sexual segregation going on in that era, or how that era shaped the boomer generation into being so "Spend! Spend! Spend!" consumerist that the millennials of today are left drowning in the aftermath. I still like it, though 💀
@@notillatall he is a surface level thinker which is why he probably falls for the faux vhs "aesthetic". took sam's take personally and lashed out. pitiful
The problem with nostalgia is that you can never tell when something is really good or if you're going crazy for corporate trash that has zero value because you personally remember it being comforting.
That’s true, falling in love with the past is dangerous for this reason
No, because zoomers weren't alive when 90s corporate aesthetic was a thing.
Idk man, the 90's were pretty rad. Nobody looked at an old design taco bell and said, "this is so boring it crushes my soul". Cheesy? Sure, but things had some character at least.
I can easily tell
@@irregularrex4004wrong I think that when I look at that
What annoys me is how it's clearly no longer millennials aping the 80s/90s, but zoomers aping the modern 'vaporwave' style itself
this is how art styles develop
A copy of a copy of a copy, artefacted to all hell, with only a small, fractured semblance to the original idea. It's nothing. It's like (Lame examples) the backrooms coming out after SCP 3008, without all the "charm" and elements that actually made the concept of an endless "liminal" space interesting to begin with. It's just shallow nonsense that just.... insists upon itself.
who gives a fuck
Ultimately the mark boomers have left is so influential that most things are iterative of that. So you can't really blame one generation or the other when most of it is a homage or commentary on something from before
Though I get your point that yeah, it's stupid that zoomer culture has even less meaning or intention behind it than anything to date. But this is bc zoomers aren't really a separate generation. They're late stage millennials which is why their cultural perception is that of the very bottom dregs of the attitude of the youngest relevant generation.
i love it when sam talks about design
I love it when sam talks ill about women
@@MonsieurBig funniest shit of my life stg no cap fr fr
@@MonsieurBig yeah man that shi be funny too
He wanted to be a car designer originally. One of the few avenues where he's never wrong imo
The problem with a lot of vaporwave art is that its not low quality enough, the VHS filters are way too high quality and it generally doesn't resemble capitalistic consumer products in the 80s or whatever the meaning behind the art is supposed to be. People who make that stuff with the pools, statues and hotel bedrooms are usually are making derivative slop. That analog horror stuff has this same exact problem.
Lol were you born in the 2000’s?
If your "VHS aesthetic" amounts to chromatic aberration filter and .png "00:00:00" overlay over a 16:9 1920x1080 video then it's probably time to consider a career in motel housekeeping
EXACTLY this. A lot of analog horror just BLOWS because they will not pay attention to detail. I especially find it annoying when a creator puts a lot of effort into a project - only for it to have simple mistakes made. Like high res analog. It’s the 80s! Where would they get that kind of quality from 😂 or when they use shitty fiverr tier art and think it’s passed off as something that would be drawn in that time period. The lack of attention to detail is insane
Vaporwave is interesting in that it's made by a generation of people who clearly weren't born in the 80s/90s or were too young to remember it properly, so you're getting an aesthetic based on a speculation of 'the vibe back then' which is cool in its own way. It's kind of like a reverse-form of those early 1900 speculations of what the year 2000 and after might look like.
i think this is funny to read because i remember, i'm from 1999 but I lived in a third world country and we were really poor so we had VHS until 2009, i still have my rammstein live aus berlin Cassette and some other cool shows in vhs. But i get it what u mean.
Steampunk to Victorian England
It's a trope that's pretty old tbh, artists did the same during the renaissance, "rediscovering" antiquity
@@napalm6927 i live in America and i still had VHS and old tech until like 2012
Sam talking about design and art is always good. I’d much rather listen to this than him whining about “smells” and the mic being fucked up.
Keepin it 99 my brotha
I never disagreed with anything more
Smelly boy detected 😤
You gotta admit synthetic smells are pretty god damn evil though
Never forget the time a lady sprayed febreeze in his vicinity
Vaporwave and Retrowave just takes me back to my childhood to simpler times. Reminds me of walking in malls with mom (she passed away in 2018) so its very therapeutic for me. Call it cope but i appreciate the aesthetics for what they do for me
Vaporwave has largely run its course I think, though there's ways to do it that I think are still good and creative. The "simpsonwave" stuff was when it really began going downhill and became bloated and schlocky, with zoomers in the comments of those videos unironically lamenting "better days" (you want to see some pathetic crap, go to the comments or the live chat of like a lo-fi stream and see the conversations people are having. "I am 15 and my dog ran away from home and my parents hate me and I am Indian and this music is the only way for me to get through" type stuff)
It's superficially easy to recreate though, which is why the bloat happened. I still enjoy good vaporwave from time to time.
PLEASE HELP ME I AM INDIAN
Lofi streams got so pathetic. When they first started it was like a curated mix of music made by real people, you could tell because occasionally you'd pick up on a song that you particularly liked or hated, meaning it had enough character to actually make you react emotionally.
Now it's just a substanceless ambient noise with no discernable highlights. Wouldn't be surprised if the music was now all AI generated to dodge copyright shit.
FUCKING HELP ME SIR I AM INDIAN
The Blackbird is the perfect parallel to draw with the F40, impressive that Nick thought of that off the cuff.
He really is the perfect balance to Sam’s ramblings.
feels weird being nostalgic for something that relied so heavily on nostalgia, it was fun for a minute
Sam's clear passion for good design is one of the best things about him. Could listen to this all day
Agreed, more of this
Putting the VHS analog aesthetic in your video is the art equivalent of painting the mona lisa taking a selfie.
Nostalgia is a form of depression people, just intake your guilty pleasures at a responsible level
the cutting edge critiques we need
Until they stop ripping off 80s aesthetics they will continue.
What are the critiques you need?
I'm 43, and I find the fake VHS/Vaporwave aesthetic to be less about ripping off, and more of a longing. There's a deep, deep longing in Vaporwave, a longing for the fulfillment of a promise that was always a lie. I think GenZ is far, FAR more cognizant of that lie. I'm not GenX and I'm not Millennial, I'm in between. I watched the lie fall apart, GenX never bought it, and Millennials deluded themselves into believing it.
I think part of the reason Sam can't tolerate it is he's a little too young to have seen the lie form and fall apart. We were promised a heaven on Earth. We were promised Star Trek like levels of prosperity, and part of that promise was that prosperity wouldn't destroy us. The answer to that lie is in books like Dune. We need adversity, we need challenges and limitations to overcome.
Bro what are you on about? Who promised you star trek levels of prosperity? You're a wacky dude.
@@mindharp That was the cultural meme of the 90s from the perspective of Millenials. Right or wrong, that just seemed like the logical conclusion of everything that was happening.
That's what the Woke Left is hanging onto, in a mutated form, and what many like myself have let go. You'll notice that Vaporwave has a heavy focus on the mid 1990's Television, Music and tones that evoke a form of melancholy nostalgia. That nostalgia, is for a future that never was, and never could be.
@@mindharp A good way of looking at it: Go watch movies from like 1997, 1998, 1999. Try ones that focus on the coming of the year 2000. A good example is the movie Strange Days, SPECIFICALLY how they percieve the Year 2000 coming. There hadn't been a 9/11. 9/11 is the day that dream died.
@@mindharp you got gay for pay stop bragging about that 😂
@@mindharp They told us it's "the end of history" in the 90's and it's gonna be smooth sailing for human civilization from hear on out.
Then 9/11 came as a wake up call.
I think a big issue with vaporwave type aesthetic is that it doesnt exactly nail what it is trying to recreate. I feel like especially more recent vaporwave has the tendency to mesh with the aesthetic of liminal spaces and it ends up in this wierd middle ground. I think even the concept of liminal spaces has gotten its vibe diluted, I think this has to do with the amount of Vaporwave/Liminal Spaces design being used in a horror context.
When I first learned about the term Liminal Spaces, I thought of it more as the feeling you would get when you would load into a multiplayer video game map by yourself and run around. It isnt something that was intentionally scary or creepy, but there was still an unsettling vibe you may get.
Now that people realize that the creepyness factor is what people know liminal spaces for, it breeds more designs intentionally creepy instead of accidentally, and it becomes something completely different.
Another thing I hate about this type of design is the fake VHS/Casette filters over high quality footage. It is done so much but it just isnt accurate and it comes off as tacky in many applications of it. I believe that instead of trying to re create the top layer aesthetic of the hardware that video was played on, you would be better off trying to replicate the processes of the creation of said content, or even the technical restrictions of hardware for the content, either by using said hardware, or by researching things such as resolution, color space, frame rate, the limitations of older video/ development software etc. to make things feel more genuine, rather than just slapping a whole bunch of VHS filters on a video and calling it a day.
It's just millennial therapy and as a millenial im all for it.
I was born in '93 and vaporwave and all its sub-genres will always have a place in my heart. It just really takes me there. But idk about this frutiger aero thing, I might have to give that one a few more years
aero is consumer garbage. it’s for anyone born 2000-2005 who used to watch smosh, epicmealtime and icarly
Born in 93 and I like both
Some of the aesthetics of vaporwave I think are really cool and I like the music but all the simpsonswave "remember the 90s" type of shit got tiresome real fast
1. Sam didn't say he hates vaporwave
2. He may specifically be missing the point of the vaporwave aesthetic. It's meant to be vapid and uncreative.
I think his point is less that it's uncreative and more that it's vapid.
And no, vaporwave isn't meant to be vapid.
The issue is that when you recycle the plebian interpretation of vaporwave, much of what makes it either appealing or uncomfortably thought provoking is lost.
@@wikipediaintellectual7088 NGL the vaporwave trend has passed and is hacky imo. But it was originally meant to be derivative and intentionally "rip-off-able" because it was originally about late stage 80s capitalism of course anti-caps' don't realize their criticisms fall on deaf ears but ultimately the style wasn't meant to be innovative or original it was meant to rip off the aesthetic of the early 90s and late 80s advertising in malls and buildings, architecture (there some modern horror movies that use this aesthetic their names escape me).
It originally started out as a music genre that was a rip off and parody/satire (mostly parody) of chillwave (which was a music genre based around a vague emotion and aesthetic) and hence it was making fun of said music genre by making fun of the commenters on chillwave playlists by making something intentionally eesembling a time and place these listeners often didn't grow up in making them feel nostalgic etc, whereas vaporwave in contrast to the ambiguous nature of chillwave is clearly set in the 80s around the most vapid time period of American history, it also literally ripped off 80s music by slowing music down to be more "aesthetic".
So yes it is vapid by its very nature and it's sort of the point of the genre.
@@cartoonhanks1708
The “trend” is just what normies think is cool to emulate for as long as their attention spans allow, and if you consider it to be hacky then you probably haven’t listened to nearly enough of it. You should give Pad Chennington’s channel a try. He sheds light on a lot of good material.
_”But it was originally meant to be derivative and intentionally ‘rip-off-able’”_
Not necessarily. It’s a very diverse genre, and generally it’s more about creating a “sound collage” with music and sounds to create an immersive and often uncanny environment.
_”because it was originally about late stage 80s capitalism of course anti-caps' don't realize their criticisms fall on deaf ears”_
The anti-capitalism message is only one of many takes that certain vaporwave producers (like Vektroid/Macintosh Plus) had on the genre.
There’s immersive horror stories about Virtual Words and the inevitability of death (Infinity Frequencies, Father2006), and there’s also some extremely influential people that seem to appreciate that more hopeful era (Oneotrix Point Never, James Ferraro).
_”ultimately the style wasn't meant to be innovative or original”_
That might not have been the explicit point of it, but all of the best end products are innovative and original, and they’re certainly never vapid.
And to claim that it’s categorically meant NOT to be innovative/original is false.
@@cartoonhanks1708
The “trend” is just what normies think is cool to emulate for as long as their attention spans allow, and if you consider it to be hacky then you probably haven’t listened to nearly enough of it. You should give Pad Chennington’s channel a try. He sheds light on a lot of good material.
_”But it was originally meant to be derivative and intentionally ‘rip-off-able’”_
Not necessarily. It’s a very diverse genre, and generally it’s more about creating a “sound collage” with music and sounds to create an immersive and often uncanny environment.
_”because it was originally about late stage 80s capitalism of course anti-caps' don't realize their criticisms fall on deaf ears”_
The anti-capitalism message is only one of many takes that certain vaporwave producers (like Vektroid/Macintosh Plus) had on the genre.
There’s immersive horror stories about Virtual Words and the inevitability of death (Infinity Frequencies, Father2006), and there’s also some extremely influential people that seem to appreciate that more hopeful era (Oneotrix Point Never, James Ferraro).
_”ultimately the style wasn't meant to be innovative or original”_
That might not have been the explicit point of it, but all of the best end products are innovative and original, and they’re certainly never vapid.
And to claim that it’s categorically meant NOT to be innovative/original is false.
@@cartoonhanks1708
The “trend” is just what normies think is cool to emulate for as long as their attention spans allow, and if you consider it to be hacky then you probably haven’t listened to nearly enough of it. You should give Pad Chennington’s channel a try. He sheds light on a lot of good material.
Is anyone really selling vaporwave products? It's pure aesthetic/vibe, background music style. Nobody's praising it as high or utilitarian design. Anyone buying a vaporwave modified car is trded. It's not a thing. Zoomers actually have relatively good fashion IMO.
“Zoomers have good fashion” hahaha! You mean the 90’s and early 00’s have good fashion? Zoomers have nothing of their own, it’s all repurposed.
i don’t think sam is shitting on vaporwave he’s shitting on aesthetically bereft derivative design that is devoid of content and the idea of slapping a few filters on a simpsons clip and putting it forth as ‘content’. obviously mde bumpers have retro electronics influences but it’s a cohesive personal project and it also clearly takes a lot of time to make
Sam knows a lot about design its kindof crazy
We got frutiger aero now and its epic
Enjoy it while it lasts, gay people are starting to froth over it.
@@ringomandingo1015 "zoomercore"
Oh great, another retro aesthetics.
okay so the 2010s are next after that for "retro". but that pretty much looks the same as today. there's nothing left to rip off. gen alpha might actually do something original but i doubt it.
I hope it won't devolve like vaporwave
The biggest problem is how crazy easy it is to make stuff like it now. You can even make Vaporwave "art" with your smartphone now. When Vaporwave started in the early 2010s, you had to be very much in the know about music production to get into it. There werent a lot of filters you could just throw onto a video or song to get the desired effect. Tech bros and corps just dumbed it down to make it more accessible to people that aren't weirdo shut-ins like myself.
Id like to think vaporwave is the recounting of a slower life for people? As someone who is 31, I remember that very clearly compared to now. Life now seems like its on Adderall compared to 98 - 04.
cheers for posting these really like sams design tips but i cant afford the MDE ticket so thanks mane!
British and gay
@@Technosingularity get outta her Turk man
I don’t care what the aesthetic is, watch out for nostalgia; it will poison u no matter how innocent and yummy it seems. If you drop indulging in nostalgia I promise it will at least not make anything worse
love vaporwave, AND agree 100% on the F40 stuff, I feel the same way about the Countach, more so in fact... an archetypal symbol of freedom, speed, excellence, superlative tech, just sheer beauty
Vaporwave is objectively cool grass roots and unique. Sam gatekeeping as usual
I’ll never forget the day I saw an F40 in person
Interesting ending you've made for us tac
Sam is confusing the engineer who put the car together with the designer at Pininfarina
I’m not going to say it’s great, but I loved Vaporwave. Not perfect, but it was a fun way to look at was a brightly dull period in time.
What aesthetic does World Peace take over then? I always thought is was vapour wave adjacent. Genuinely curious.
F40 is a divine exemplar
clip was cut too short!
I ruminate often, but never about something as simple as an homage to the past. In MDE they used the japanese sitcom intro which is just vaporwave if you think about it, capturing an essence.
“Undercover Jewish Asian man Nicola Materazzi bad touched Jesus to give us this sports car.” -Sam Hyde, expert skull measuring genius
Wait till he listens to sweet trip
I don't like this style of music, but I just looked them up. Good recommendation. Now I am straight jorkin it
George Clanton, he's amazing. I've seen him live too
what is vaporwave about sweet trip?
the fake VCR lines and all that are lame, but vaporwave looks kinda cool. If you're into design, lots of stuff like this probably bothers you that is ok to the rest of us. It's like if you build guns, actually do gunsmithing, you probably get irritated by minor details about guns that even the owner of the gun doesnt care about.
Looks kinda gay actually
@@bigol9223 next month when sam changes his mind, ill let you know.
@@frydemwingz your opinion changes based on his?
1:22 amazing digital circus aetgetics? Thats cool
Sam's contrarian rants are always fun to listen to
is sams hat connected to the headrest on his chair>?
Vaporwave was never about "the fundamentals." To be concerned with such misses the point. Like vapor ware, there was very little going underneath it all. A musical version of obselence driven by the incessant consumerism of the 80s. It rips off commercials, chops and screws 80s pop songs, and thts it. Itd be like getting upset at elevator music.
That's the point 😢
Sam, the whole Vaporwave stuff ended in like 2020, it was only around on the internet from like 2015-2020.
Yeah tell em
Not even close with the start date bud.
There was a lot of good stuff out there from 2010 to 2015 too.
@@BowHunter87
There's a lot of good stuff out now too.
It's just less mainstream now.
Infinity Frequencies just came out with a really good one a few months ago.
@@DubzDude
Please state your weekly mileage touching grass. I run half marathons on a regular basis.
what a nerd
You mean what you built your brand on?
I was born in the 80’s, a 90’s kid. That room they show at 1:38 reminds me of Doug. Synthwave/vaporwave music rules. The “aesthetic” rules. O’doyle rules.
Sams own design is vaporwave retro type thing
what did he say??
i dont think sam knows what "nappy" is
Sam hates vapor wave?! I do too now!!!
dick riding a comedian is WILD
Yeah, I always thought that vaporware was atheist cringe. Those guys need to take TRT and go hiking.
someshit isnt meant to be some epic achievement. its nostalgia visuals and music thats it.
something something simulation
something something simulacrum
vaporwave was the first inkling of stuck culture
Sam talks real smart but can’t remember to pull the mic away when he snorts
Sam's wrong, Vaporwave is the best.
It's not a phase Mom
Glad sam is giving the Italians the credit they deserve! I do look like a hodge-podge goblin, with no complembting features and I DO PLUCK cars from the heavens.
Gabagool
Zoomers don't even know the 80s but they sure love to pretend they were there.
Isn't vaporwave supposed to be low effort plagiarism?
The 80s “style” in modern times is over exaggerated to the point it’s more modern in design then the 80s
I agree. In reality, Much of the 80s still looked like the 70s, a rundown version of the 50s.
i can always expect sam to be angry and bitter over literally nothing
There were a few good songs
OKAY BOOMER
one thing i cant get behind sam hating.
No core to it, hence vaporwave
Lol vaporwave fans in comments
how does he get this emotional when talking about cars
Beauty is moving.
Why do I keep getting recommended videos about what and why this dude thinks about
All hail Sam Hyde
The Brazilians are losing control and can no longer suppress Sam
You can run, but you can't keep getting away with it like Hyde
Sam hates sad boys ?!?
Much Ado about nothing
Vaporwave was always gay
I think you're pretty gay.
I'm gay
Vaporwave was kinda dope back in the day. I still like it.
@@boogietunt6862we can tell
Vaporwave started out with an appreciation of the fundamentals, what Sam is referring to here is _after_ when normies found(ruined) things like Floral Shoppe and Yung Lean.
that's when the fake VHS filter type people were born i'm pretty sure.
sam hyde s opinion on vaporwave is dogshit
Sam went full boomer on the f40
I disagree
I genuinely have an hatred for zoomers who write an entire paragraph about something being "nostalgic", and the video being an "sad Bart Simpson 12 (slowed + reverb) edit". I hate zoomers (from an zoomer btw)
i think most of those videos are made by and for kids. I could be wrong do?
SAM HATES DESIGN PERIOD. Sam is extremely jaded about ppl who succeed at making art. like we get it, art sucks. but fuck me, he really turned into a complaining boomer.
how did you get THAT out of this video? were we watching the same video?
That made a lot of sense actually
Yung Lean effectively defined the entire aesthetic. It's pure heat. If you don't have an understanding of the fundamentals- like the history, objectives, or influence... You end up sounding like Mr. Hyde. Art goes beyond design. To conclude that the only substance is gathered from the frame is nonsense. Some of the best art, is bad art.
This is the single gayest comment on RUclips. You should get a trophy for that shit.
I’m a huge Sam hyde fan but I disagree. When vaporwave is done right, it’s sick af
He doesn't know everything
No one cares, play in traffic
Simpson edits are gay though
What about simpsons animations?
The whole aesthetics "of the past" feel like they were made by and for people that romanticize "the past". Like everybody says the 90s were peak television and media, but were they really or are we just cherry picking the best of the best and saying that defines the whole era? Idk about you, but I remember a lot of gross-out stupid humor that was just trash, and apparently everyone else thinks so since nobody ever mentions it.
It's like how people were just overly romanticizing the 1950s "I Love Lucy" era when Wandavision came out, but neglected to ever think about the racial or sexual segregation going on in that era, or how that era shaped the boomer generation into being so "Spend! Spend! Spend!" consumerist that the millennials of today are left drowning in the aftermath.
I still like it, though 💀
You are gay
The 50s were still a better time, even for the lower class
@@smileydog5941non-whites and women in the 50s be like :
@@MonsieurBig 1950s was unironically less racist than today
@@MonsieurBig Im mexican
Sam hates the fake VHS video effect in room full of fake vintage televisions. Story checks out
Those aren't fake.
@@smfe As if that changes anything. Petty-ass logic
>fake vintage tvs
>fake vintage
???
You've failed to grasp the distinction between approximating something verses actually having the substance of it.
@@notillatall he is a surface level thinker which is why he probably falls for the faux vhs "aesthetic". took sam's take personally and lashed out. pitiful