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Twelfth of July: Asking Protestants about Catholics
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Protestant Loyalists flock from all over the UK and further afield to Belfast on the weekend of the 12th July to commemorate the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, when Protestant King William of Orange defeated Catholic King James II.
The celebrations have long offended the Irish nationalist community in the north, with parades frequently playing anti-Irish songs in majority Catholic areas and pushing a Protestant supremacist narrative.
We went to Belfast to ask the people what they think about their Catholic neighbours being intimidated by the Orange marches.
Reporter: Seán Hickey
Camera: Peter Cooney
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Orangemen are Irishmen, who in order to be thought of as Englishmen , march dressed as Scotsmen in honour of a Dutchman.
And their long lost relatives who migrated to America to work and oversee the tobacco, cotton and sugar plantations became hill-BILLIES
Orangemen are Ulstermen.
Well to be fair to them (hard as that might feel), they do come from Scotland.
Orangemen are pagans, who want to be thought of as Protestant Christians, but dress like Free Masons.
I’m an actual Protestant Christian and I find them weird.
you havent a clue..... its ignorance is all it is!
3:30 "Catholics are welcome" as someone in the background is parading past with a UVF flag 😂
😂
Yep total hypocrites
The “you have st Patrick’s day” comparison is hilarious. The Irish flag is banned by most councils from being displayed in the parade. The parade is made up of community organisations (schools, youth clubs etc), Disney characters, Chinese dragons, Spanish dancers. It also lasts a single day. However, orange parades are year round. The UVF, UDA, Union Jack flags displayed on lampposts all year round. The parade is made up of the orange order that, still to this day is openly sectarian and misogynistic. The parade is full of Union jacks and British symbols. The bonfires are plastered in Irish flags, Irish symbols, pictures of Catholic politicians, sectarian slogans. The ones that aren’t covered in flags are still health hazards and houses have to be hosed down in case they melt. St Patrick’s day and the twelfth are not even remotely similar. It’s hilarious than you can build bonfires with 0 council objection but to build an Irish language school it has to under go consultation in case it “upsets the locals” or causes offence. You cant even have a bilingual sign without them throwing a fit. This country is a joke
I'm sure you meant "this COLONY is a joke"
@Johnsmith47890 just like you are bitter about the orange order .we're bitter about Republican language. Don't need that stupid language keep it to your self
Using st Patrick’s day as an excuse for sectarian marches is wild
"The queer community have their Pride parade, so its OK that we march down the street in honour of King Henry VIII passing the Buggery Act in 1533"
The Roman Church is a genocidal mind-control cult.
The difference is St Patrick's day isn't for a sectarian hate group.
You're talking nonsense. There's nothing sectarian about it.
@@countryview2020😂😂😂
@@countryview2020it’s literally about celebrating a battle between Catholics and Protestants - of course it is sectarian
@@harrybacon419 It's worse, it's a celebration of the protestant ascendancy that rendered natives second class citizens for decades. It's an undeniably hostile gesture and I can't imagine why it's tolerated today; marching through the streets in a military fashion with the Orange Order and paramilitary groups that still intimidate, extort and brutalise people today.
@@countryview2020if you require a history lesson I suggest you research what happened to catholics after the battle of the boyne. Then come back and tell me it isn’t sectarian
Not Catholic or Protestant but a former resident of Glasgow. My overwhelming feeling about the Orange marches from my experience was of an excuse to stir up sectarian hatred that expanded to racial attacks too. My mates and I would be targeted for being out not wearing orange or blue clothes or Rangers tops and then I would be yelled at, threatened and called the N word. Similarly I knew to expect crap when I had to walk past an orange lodge or a Rangers pub. Not to say all rangers fans or even orangemen are the same but there’s bad vibes to the whole thing and I find it completely false equivalency to compare a saints day who btw is the patron of the entire island of Ireland to a celebration of sectarian domination
we don't burn english flags on st patrick's day...
That's what St George's day is for.
What flags are burnt on St George’s day? And why?
@@ColinRekrab what flag do you think would be burnt St George's day? Why would anyone want to burn a flag?
@@keycuz exactly!!! why would anyone burn a flag
The weird thing is. English racists see the flag of St.George a Syrian or Turkish saint as typically English. As I say weird but racists are never the sharpest tools in the box.
@5:53 “Catholics are still holding onto the past” From a man who is celebrating something that happened over 300 years ago.
If it’s a day that both sides can enjoy why is it that most bonfires have anti catholic effigies on top off them just be honest it is and always will be an anti catholic event
Love the idea that they think Catholics should go to an event where there are large slogans saying things like "All Taigs Are Targets" and everyone is pissed out of their minds and singing "we hate Catholics".
And the same on the other side, which is fine
They constantly talk out of both sides of their face, almost like they don’t even realise they are doing it
75% of those bonfires are run by loyalist paramilitary narco terror gangs
No it's not fine, it's embarrassing, hopefully the younger generation won't have to do with bigotry as much as they did years ago, @@dougaldouglas8842
Celebrating a gay European defeating an English King!
What's not to like?
@JohnMckenna-kf9vx well he beat the papist James that's what counts
You are a bigot and an uneducated one at that the pope supported william the dutch blue guard were williams most loyal and feard battalion who were mainly Roman Catholic and went into battalion on 1st July behind the papal banner you could not make it up 😂
@@PhilipOsborne-rz9eu
Imagine your personality and life being all about obsessing over a king who wasn't even born in UK or Ireland.
It's called brainwashing entire generations of working class.
Imagine obsessing over a saint who wasn't born in Ireland, same deal
Or a prophet who rode in from Heaven on a donkey
They say they are defending Protestantism, but they dress like Free Masons and have weird traditions which contradict the teachings of the reformers.
Everyone has their own interests and passions, whether it’s following a historical figure, playing sports, or cooking. It’s part of what makes our lives different mate.
English bloke hasn’t a clue .
'Mainland'! That starts at Calais, doesn't it?
As a fellow Englishman, haven’t got a clue either. Most of my fellow working class English people couldn’t care less about NI being British or Irish.
@anneliamohara2842 When he said that people down South should celebrate the 12th too I pissed myself laughing
Mainland Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪
@@StephenMackay-hx1bp there's plenty who do care
"We're loyal protestants"- a man who's never seen the inside of a church
@@jacobitedynamite We are born again.
@@Nasraniksatria touch grass, wee man.
@@jacobitedynamite Are you saved?
These events tagged blindly as "this is a Protestant parade" and "that is a Catholic parade" without really understanding the meaning and history behind anything.
I grew up in the Protestant community in Belfast. As I grew up and broadened my horizons I realised that Catholics generally have a better grasp of what's behind their history and culture than Protestants do.
Making reference to St. Patrick is fairly meaningless. St. Patrick predates any existence of Catholicism or Protestantism so it's a valid celebration for everyone in theory.
Exactly! It’s a Christian holiday and they are Christian. Never mind the fact that Patrick was an Englishman who colonised Ireland too after being a slave trader there for many years so they’d have more to celebrate than we would there..
@@LinesjointspenaltypointsPatrick was a Briton ie ancestral Welsh, not English.
@@sdrawkcabUK he was the slave not the slave owner, his 1st visit to ireland wasn't very nice. His 2nd trip was a game changer tho
@@Linesjointspenaltypoints Patrick was Welsh.
@@SDMcC1916 Not so bad that he came back.
Something nobody mentioned - another reason most Catholics don't show up is because you're watching a bunch of middle aged men in suits walk about to the sound of drums and screeching flutes. Its like a worse version of a funeral
Loads of different types of bands - accordian and bagpipes amd lambeg drums.
@@colincampbell4261 Amen. And no harm in it. Next the lefties will be calling for banding marchers concerning the armed forces and victory days
It’s definitely not an ascetically pleasing event in any aspect
@@Sabhaois Depends upon how it effects you. One man's cup of tea, is another man's poison
@@dougaldouglas8842 aye but tea’s not poison, is it?
Every Catholic I have met has been wonderful and very polite. Irish Catholics are truly amazing people.
and they dont have their tails anymore!
Catholicism has been a blight on Ireland.
@@django3422 Religion has been a blight on Ireland. We're not interested in any if it anymore.
@@stiofain88 Gaytheism is better? Feminism/Liberalism is better? Come on.
@@HarunalRashide123 Pretty sure the gay lads don't burn effigies of straight people on top of bonfires. And if you have an issue with feminism I suggest you take it up with your wife. For the liberals you can do what everyone else does. Roll your eyes and ignore them. Not like they ever make a difference.
The irony of telling people they need to move forward beyond previous conflicts while celebrating the battle of the boyne.
St Patricks day is a party. The 12th is about celebrating oppression and division.
Right? It is literally the celebration of a battle that they won against the Catholics. How can they expect them to join and enjoy it?
@@saulgoodman7402 They were largely funded by the pope. Maybe its the marching though catholic estates that upsets people. Maybe its burning figures of people. On the upside its a tiny number of people who still think this way,
Rabid far right have delivered Irish reunification.
The hilarious thing is that as far as people from Britain are concerned, if you come from the island of ireland, north or south they consider you irish. They don't give a rats ass if your catholic or protestant.
True I find it hard to understand there accent
DNA irrespective of what the Brits think.
Next you will be saying Jamaicans are Anglo Saxon
@MICHAELCAMPBELL69 I was born in england, they don't care what religion you attach yourself to - you're irish if you're from that side of the water.
@@michaelmcardle you talking about the working classes or the elites
because your elites do care
People who are most alike seem to hate each other the most. Serbs and Croats, Hutus and Tutsis-and no one from the outside can tell them apart.
Paddys day is like celebrating xmas, boyne day is like celebrating the iraq war
Videos like this are good for exposing what we have had to put up with here for so long.
I've watched Catholics forced into their homes by the RUC so the bigoted Orange parades could march down nationalist areas. 🇮🇪🍀
😂Yeah eh. Like those 2 in Sligo eh. Lost their heads,.
I guess it's different on the ground but this this didn't seem bad tbh
@@dobermankompanieyup, brainwashing is a powerful tool
I'm an Irish patriot. ...I don't mind these parades..the 6 counties unionists are entitled to enjoy their culture, long may it last. The North/ northern ireland wouldn't be the same without them ❤
Watched about 15 seconds and switched over. These people are tragic.
Free PLASTICTINE
@@paulgreen1821 no your tragic 😢
Because it's edited . They obviously broadcast the most daft ones.
It’s only about bigotry. It might give Protestants some meaning and purpose, but it ultimately stems from bigotry and hatred. It’s a free society that allows these marches to continue so unfortunately I think nothing will change.
I'm a Catholic in Northern Ireland and disagree. The commerations of the UDA, UVF and other violent paramilitaries and events are based on bigotry and hatred, as are other parts of the event that are based on anti-Catholic sentiment, but the commeration of the 12th of July itself is a celebration of Protestantism and the UK. I obviously don't agree with that, but it's a non-violent, non-obstructive movement. It's when the individuals or events turn bigoted that it becomes problematic.
Plus it gives sevco fans something to celebrate bless them they've no had much going for them lately 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@user-bm3qj5xs1g we're not a paedophile ring
Bigot is a meaningless word.
Sorry, but we can't be having rational, sensible comments like that. You'll have to go.
It's interesting how they say "the Catholics have St. Patrick's Day". St. Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland 1000 years before the Reformation, long before Protestantism existed - he brought the religious beliefs to the island for all Christians. Then again, this is all about sectarianism and bigotry and nothing really to do with religion, as such.
I think Santa closer to reality then St paddy
@@henrystevens2258 So who Christianized Ireland then, if you are an expert on this topic? Let us know. It certainly wasn’t Henry VIII He was too busy getting married and disposing of wives.
its real hate ,
I'm sure we Irish can get past the parades just fine. Burning the Irish flag, pictures of republican public servants etc is a wee bit of a turn off getting behind the 12th. So some movement from both sides is needed
2:03 The proud Scottish loyalist who hasn't realised the Queen has died
@@goldenappel he thinks king billys still going tae fucking nut case 🙃
they say bad news travels fast, so it makes sense that good news travels slow
What do you expect? He’s a rangers fan, bunch of complete windowlickers
@@TEHBILB 😂😂😂
The Orange in the Republic's Flag represents the Protestants, so celebrating Irish Protestantism is part of Irishness.
Indeed, its is a flag of unity with the green and the orange separated only by the white of peace.
Yes Sinn Fein say they don't have a problem with the 12th July they just think some marches should be rerouted.
Bring that flag to this march. In the spirit of brotherly love.
The flag symbolises peace. This march celebrates a battle. Literally the opposite of each other
@@roryd1888 The flag symbolizes the rights of both communities to exist in peace. The Battles were stages in the discovery of those rights, and so I would say it is morally legitimate to celebrate what was achieved in the battle of the Boyne for the Irish Protestants right to exist.
The Scottish man saying the Irish nationalists hold their own parades in Ireland - that's not the equivalent of him marching in N Ireland. A closer comparison would be if English Anglicans had their own order that excluded Presbyterians, and travelled en masse to Scotland every year to march in celebration of the defeat of the Scots at the Battle of Culloden
It was not a defeat of us Scots.It was a defeat of Highland Catholics, some Irish and English battalions against a British army.
Proving that none were worth fighting for.
Do also want to make the point that accent means nothing. This man could have lived in Northern Ireland for longer than most of the people in the parades have even been alive. I have worked with men that moved here at 10-15 years old over 40 years ago and still have their accent to this day. This man could have spent most of his life within our culture so I believe the point you are making isn't totally fair
@@weemanbiggun9764 I was more making the point, not about him as such, but just about the comparison he made between the Orange walk and "an IRA parade", but republicans only parade in nationalist areas. There were comparisons being made with Gaelic games and St. Patrick's Day as well, but those aren't based on celebrating the defeat of Protestants and don't exclude anyone from being part of their organisations because they are Protestant, so they were not really comparable in that way
There was a statue of the Butcher of Culloden in the town square in Birr (formerly Parsonstown) commissioned by Sir Lawrence Parsons "from a Principle of Loyalty" to commemorate the Duke of Cumberland "for defeating and vanquishing the rebels at Culloden-Muir", but the statue was taken down and only the Cumberland Column remains there now
No the English Anglican’s are part of an apostate church. They would more likely be part of a gay pride march or a rally promoting transgender rights.
@sb8163 I understand your point but in my view the only people talking about exclusion are you guys (and not talking about Catholics here). Every year on the 11th a group of 15-20 of us go to the bonfire and out of that group, there are more Catholics than Protestants along with 2/3 Muslims, and they honestly enjoy themselves more than I do which is saying something.
Morgan Freeman said to stop racism you don't talk about it, in my eyes and the eyes of many people I can name, you could say the same about exclusion.
If everyone's screaming "but you get this day so we get this day, but this day is cause of this that day is cause of that, you don't want me there even though you said you do" then nothing is ever going to move forward.
Politics of it aside I fucking hate the orange lodge march in my town. They get pissed, trash the place, soil themselves and stink up the trains.
is that not how you celebrate
Sounds like an average Friday and Saturday night, with an army of police parading the streets of the pubs and clubs
@@williamconn814 No
They wreck through half the towns and villages in the province, aided, abetted, facilitated and funded by Stormont, councils and the PSNI. It’s state sponsored terrorism, totally farcical!
@@dougaldouglas8842 its more like an army of football hooligans descending on a town with not enough police and wrecking the place + piss and shit. Pretty fucking unpleasant tbh.
As a Catholic from Glasgow my thoughts are with the Catholic communities of Northern Ireland at this time of year.
As a Protestant Christian I’m praying for peace and hoping these marches will just cease. They are anti-Christ.
@@christopherflux6254 Your are wrong. No harm done on either side, just marching to celebrate the ceasing of the mass murder of souls by the Romanist. Next you will be saying that we should ban the observance of the ending of two wars because Germany might be offended, and that we should move on, whilst you probably line the route of trans gay parades. Christian, do not make me laugh
They're fine at this time of year, no need to be worried about them.
@@FronteirWolfwe’ll decide that. Not you.
As a proud orange man I love this day and by the way you go always go and live in southern Ireland bye 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
It's really pathetic that these sorts of Marches still go on. It was hundreds of years ago. Move on.
Should we stop having bonfire night as well? Remembrance day? May day? Christmas? Easter? Just end anything remembering anything?
@Eltener123 remembering a war over religion shouldn't be a thing pal. The other things you have sighted like remembrance day and may day ... I would always remember. Christmas and that can go I'm not fussed but the theory behind it should stay
Tradition Heritage &culture. Each to their own
battle of the boyle
People have a right to celebrate their traditions. Should the world just be bland consumerism with no roots?
As a very young child I used to spend the 12th holiday at my grandparents house as my parents were always on a trip that week . They lived at 26 Clifton Street which was right in the middle of these parades and I can remember how the sense of fear and anxiety when these guys came buy. It was and always has been a demonstration of absolute superiority over the catholic community.
I wonder how many of these peoples pin numbers are 1690.....
You been watching Train spotting 2 ?😂
Still fighting the battles of 1690 because they haven't understood anything that's happened since then !
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaww !
Primitives !
You mean the Romanist priests blessing bombs that took the lives of innocent men and women and children
It took a few centuries but we have found out quite a lot about catholic priests.
@@robcfc400 And what they have beneath their vestments
@@robcfc400 How's Jeffrey getting on?? DUP and the catholic church have a lot in common it turns out!!
Why didn't you ask: "And where exactly is the Boyne?"
its in the irish republic
And why was it fought?
How many have been to the battle site.
Because he doesn't know himself.
I would like to know why are you all leftists?????
Funny how these aren't called hate marches
It's called ULSTER kkkULTURE
They aren't!
It's just a coincidence that the marches near me contain people who spit at passers by and racially abuse strangers. Not bigots at all. They just don't like catholics, or immigrants.
@@colincampbell4261lol bullshit
The only hate comes from the Romanist community
I’m from a Protestant background and I hate this display of sectarian hatred. The twelfth should not be a public holiday since over half of the population are not invited.
As a irish man i believe unionists are entitled to celebrate there heritage and culture, as any other group .
@@paulsr1965they celebrate killing catholics. Not exactly culture is it
@@paulsr1965 This is the celebration of a random war around 500 years ago. A war 99% of people don't even know about. This isn't even "culture".
This is just a neutral perspective. I couldn't care less for Protestant vs Catholic. Both the same religion, so I don't get the fighting.
That's nothing to be proud of you nationalist .
Anyone can go
"The still hold onto the past and that" says the Orange man celebrating 1690. Without a hint of irony too...
The comparison to st Patricks day is wrong. St patricks day is a Christian holiday(1 day). Where as the 12th is a protestant day(marching season). If it was just one day people wouldnt have an issue. Buts all summer long.
Not in Belfast.
u say it is a day then refer to it as a season........... your not the brightest are you mate
Yeah. Saint Patrick, who ironically was British, is a saint in both Catholicism and Protestantism. And as an English Brit, I don’t have an issue with Ulster Irish people celebrating their Britishness, but a controversial battle hundreds of years ago which most people on the British mainland haven’t even heard of is a weird thing to fit your Britishness around. Celebrate the D Day landings or CS Lewis’ birthday or something.
@@williamconn814😂😂 the 12th is unfortunately one day of a very long marching season. (April to August). Have you invited the UVF this year or are they too busy evicting black families from your estates 😂
@@williamconn814 Amen, and clearly full of hatred, so condemns themselves
Let's not forget, that King Billy was a Queen.
🤫 don’t say that out too loud. He has a lot of homophobic supporters 😂
I presume you're all for celebrating him then! 😂
Correction he was a raging queen
What relevance is that? Why bring sexuality into this? Don’t stoop to their level of hatefulness and ignorance. They’re full of hate. We’re better than that 🇮🇪
And a bloody foreigner
Hatred and intolerance can never be culture.😢
Are the majority of unionists on benefits? The man from the Orange Order mentioned that there are less benefits in the Republic.
😂😂 8:24 😅i picked up on that point as well, truthfully the souths so much richer benefits amounts would not be understood as a deal breaker.!!
Iv heard that point off many people. Makes you wonder
The bonfires are the worse - local parks looking like rubbish tips for 3 or 4 months of the year.
Give it a rest, grandad. Left to you we would not have any fun
@@dougaldouglas8842 Some people don't like living in a fucking skip.
@@dougaldouglas8842FFS - and you like living in rubbish tip for 4 months of the year? Loyalists act like spoilt children. Grow up!
@@dougaldouglas8842only in Northern Ireland would the fire service be present to extinguish someone's house rather than the bonfire that caused it. Smh.
The woman saying "they play their Gaelic sports".. in their ancestral homeland! Do they ever stop to think how that would sound if it was some other place, eg Australia. "People from all over the world come.. " - if loads of people travelled to Australia to celebrate a historical victory over the Aborigines in a battle against the British forces - would that mean the Aboriginal community should "suck it up" too..
"ancestral homeland"... 🇩🇪🇩🇪
@@han3572 👍 Saxe-Coburg and Gotha 🇩🇪 🇩🇪 House of Hanover
St Patrick wasn’t an Irish man. Neither was king William. True Irish culture is the teachings and ancient knowledge and brehon laws of this ancient island. St Patrick was sent to rid Ireland of the Druids. Hence the story of the snakes.
This is the reason Scotland isn't independent yet. Widespread stupidity.
I was born in 1994 and went to Queens university in Belfast and it was my first chance to make friends from the other community. They were the best mates I’ve ever had and I wish everyone could have the same opportunity that I had to do that. In a United Ireland I would stand up for the rights of the Protestant minority like I would do for any other minority because that’s my duty as a human being. Much love to my British and Irish brothers alike.
100% I believe Protestants like everyone have a right to free expression but this march is ANTI IRISH in its nature therefore in a united ireland this march along with any republican ones must be left in the history books
As an English Catholic this blows my mind!
Why did you join that cult.
@@davelong9055 seethe harder
@@climaksy1659 R u agitated?
@@davelong9055 YES!
Being English i cannot understand why there burn the irish flag,they will be living under it very soon
Celebrating hatred. That is their "culture".
@liamg1706 aye and your hatred is just as bad 👎
All religions promote hatred.
@@PhilipOsborne-rz9eu what are you talking about , it isnt my hate im not the one celebrating a sectarian victory every year. I dont hate anyone, just merely stating a fact.
@liamg1706 that's your narrative which is flawed .
@@PhilipOsborne-rz9eu how so
Why dont they celebrate the 1798 rebellion where Catholic, Presbyterian and dissenter all fought together onnthe same side. That is a celebration we could all vome together and enjoy
A culture without their own flag or their own national anthem 👌
Strange how prolonged hatred can lead to a permanent distortion of facial features.
Not really. It's just mythology.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 come over and live near some of their enclaves then you'll see.
@@SGC90-t5y no thanks. There are plenty of council estates of white trash where I live which I never visit unless I have to.
I know who you’re talking about 😂😂
I'm a Catholic and have lived in the north my whole life. I am yet to meet a fellow Catholic who had attended any of these matches. To say it's a day for everyone is total nonsense.
Religion is total nonsense.
Quite a few poorly educated people here starting with the interviewer.
St Patricks day remembers Patrick (who was British btw) bringing Christianity to Ireland. All faiths enjoy and celebrate that.
King Williams victory over King James is not Protestant Vs Catholic that is such a childish ill informed view of it. In truth it was the establishment of Civil Rights, Civil and Religious Liberties, modern day Democracy for EVERYONE. A defining moment in Western civilisation.
Across NI many Catholics watch the parades, or choose to go about their everyday business. The mentality of hating upon the parade because it isn't your culture or identity is a backward mindset thankfully only held by a tiny minority.
Catholics are of course welcome to watch the parades, and hopefully enjoy them. It's their choice if they want to come along and do so.
This is an anti-British channel.
At last, someone who actually has a clue what they are talking about.
I'm a Catholic, and my opinion on the 12th is that it's a celebration of the continuation of Protestant rule in Ireland. A bit like, how as they argued, St. Patrick's Day commerates Catholicism reaching the island. But there is very much a limit. Celebrations of paramilitaries is a disgrace on the Protestant side as it is on the Catholic, as are bonfires that burn Catholic effegies or other instances of anti-Catholic sentiment. Verbal abuse, from what I've heard, is still very much present. An anecdote I heard recently was "Protestants are fine and we get along, then July 1st comes." Of course, it's wrong to stereotype and not all Protestants are like that, but there's definitely some that are.
And I've seen other comments that the bonfires trash the place. That's just spitting on all parties involved, and an absolute disgrace. Clean up your shit.
The Battle of the Boyne was fought on July 1st not the 12th. What many don´t know is that the victory was celebrated in the Vatican as the Pope supported the Anti-French Alliance led by William 111.
Ulster unionism is tragic really. Settlers who shouldve integrated into the land they arrived in 100s of years ago, but instead, in a vain attempt to remain triumphal and different, still celebrate the exploits of a....Dutch 😂..... monarch.
Happy Pride, lads and ladies. The little sashes and flutes are so cute. Good to see the older generations take part in pride events too. Holding the parades outside of pride month is a bit odd, but you do you. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️❤🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈
This is why my family always books our holidays over the 12th
Back tae Pakistan pal?
@@dobermankompanie 😐🙄🤡
@@RankinMsP eh the Irish are replaced in 6 years. Haha whose the clowns eh
@@RankinMsP HONK HONK GET REPLACED.
@@RankinMsP hehe yer RANK that's fir sure. 2030 hehehe
Bitter folk.
No, I think they drink Guinness
The Pope supported King Billy in 1690. Lol 😂😂😂😂
If they both came together they would realise they both being shafted by their own politicians and tensions are kept high between them purposely.
The Protestants refuse to listen to anything. They forget that their ancestors were Catholics and they were forced to become Protestants. Very few of them know about the Religion of the Golden Headed Stick. Their hatred of all things Catholic blinds them from reality.
That English fella is just exactly who you'd expect him to be, I bet he's part of a group called the "Footy Lads Cenotaph Freedom Stone Island Loyalist Nationalist Royalist Free Tommy Reform Brexit UKIP MAGA MBGA Constitution Magna Carta Crew..." Or something along those lines.
That’s quite a mouthful…. You forgot to add “farage” into the mix.
KKK
Good lads. What branch?
@@dobermankompanie hitler
8:15 Nice summary of why the Unionists, don't want Ireland united ... "they get more benefits the way things are".
Probably see how the Republic has huge cost of living , problems with housing and like many Catholics would prefer to remain in UK .
A United Ireland is way off and that is even before you focus on current events in the Republic where ordinary people do not benefit from the so called Celtic Tiger economy
If Orange walks are their equivalent of St Patricks day, why do we in Scotland have 352 of these walks over a two month period??
The hatred they spew shouldn’t be allowed on the streets
Celebrating '"The battle of the Boyne"? Where Catholic mercenaries fought for William and Protestant rationalists fought against him on the side of Irish nationalism? Orangemen need to learn some history.
As an Irish Catholic I admire the superior musicianship. It's a part of Irish culture
Enjoy it and join in a drink with the Orange lads.
I'm Scottish with a fair bit of Irish ancestry , also the original Scot's who gave Scotland it's name , were an Irish tribe from Ulster , so i regard Irish people as my kin!🇮🇪🏴
The world celebrates St Patrick’s Day. Not sure what this is. 🇺🇸♥️🇮🇪
The irony, an American taking the moral high ground against Ulster Protestants celebrating the conquering of natives when you yourselves live in land that didn’t belong to your ancestors either (at least there’s still a good amount of natives left in our country to oppose us, can you guys say the same?)
@@jamesthejoker7415 If you genetic test the protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland they are genetically the same with the same ancestry. Scotland were the majority of protestant culture comes from is 12 miles from Northern Ireland. Until the 19th century it was far easier to travel by boat than over land so trade between the England and Scottish coast and Ireland was massive and so was intermarrying and Kingdoms that crossed the Sea was incredibly common. For 350 years the Irish clans occupied large amounts of Scotland with the Kingdom of Dál Riata controlling the North East Ireland and the Scottish Islands and West Highlands, that's why Irish and Scottish Gaelic are so similar. There is also evidence of Irish settlements in South West England in the early middle evil period.
Another amerimuttt larping
@@jamesthejoker7415Yanks gave them reparations and land agreements. What have you repaid to the Irish Catholic people? Let’s start the negotiations at £3bn and we’ll go from there. Don’t worry…we’ll accept an instalment plan 👍
The world doesn’t celebrate St Patrick’s Day, it watches on as Irish celebrate it - nothing wrong with that…. I like watching the local Italian celebrations, or Karen People’s days.
I'm looking forward to Sinn Féin representing the largest % of NI seats in Westminster 😊
You do know they don't turn up?
You're looking forward to seeing a couple empty seats in parliament lol?
hahahahahahahah they dont take their seats in westminister..... dont comment unless you actually know what you are talking about mate honestly ur just embarrassing yourself and for a start the 12th would never not happen even if sinn fein take seats in westminister which they will never do
Sinn Féin has won the last three elections in the North: the Stormont elections, the local elections, and the most recent Westminster elections.
@@williamconn814
Poor unionists people, they know they've already lost.
Please please change the rules. Orangemen are not allowed to attend the funeral, wedding etc of a Catholic.
@Northern.soul99 It is the message it sends that Catholics are lesser human beings. If the rules don't matter then like the Scottish brethren change them.
The English guy could not be any less knowledgeable!!
Some day the Orange Order can explain how they won the Battle of the Boyne.
The Unionists want to be part of the UK but fought tooth and nail against same sex marriage and abortion rights. You can't have it both ways where you want to be in Britain but won't accept British social norms.
Mainland is the Republic of Ireland British are foreigners ....
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They're all fucking nuts
So are you
An infestation of rabid hunnery
The Scottish "loyalists" and the English football hooligan type really know the score when it comes to the Irish political scene 😂 All supporting the Ulster "loyalists" until somebody claps their hands and they'll be on the first boat back.
Yeah cause the Muslims need the boats n spaces m8 haha
A bunch of people who
- cannot speak English properly, define themselves by their "Britishness"
- cannot keep the Presbyterian abstinence on alcohol but who get drunk define themselves as their hardline Protestantism
- eat cheap, unhealthy takeaways for family days
- play loud martial music in the presence of children.
There is too much irony in all of this.
No wonder your neighbours think that it is absurd.
Nice snobbery and stereotyping there.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 It is all true. Bet you are as red as a beet.
There is no requirement of abstinence of alcohol in the Presbyterian form of Church government.
They speak English perfectly, that’s their accent and dialect. There are a mixture of accents in the video, Irish (the reporter is southern and most of the interviewees are northern), Scottish and English. They’re all equally good or correct.
@@peteymax "Southern Irish"? I can tell you that that reporter certainly does not have a "southern Irish" accent. Sounds very eastern Irish to me. Then again, you're probably the type who calls somebody from Malin Head, Co, Donegal "southern Irish".
So, do these people not go out on St Patrick's Day?🍀
Saint Patrick was an agent for the Roman Empire.
Yes why wouldn’t we 🇬🇧☘️
There are still Orange lodges in Donegal who parade on the 12th so we Irish from the Republic just stoically look on in somewhat amusement, ah sure they will grow out of it. They are lost sheep most of them clawing on to a dark history that benefits nobody.
As a protestant, everyone needs to calm down. If the 12th is bad, why isnt the 4th of july in the US? Also, some orange men i have to admit are very rude, but that doesn't mean they are all bad, it means some are good some are bad. Each side has its pros and cons
I could never get my head around the whole “it’s a catholic vs protestant issue”. It’s so clearly not about that
I've travelled all over the world and this place always amazes me that in a first world country that these cavemen exist, it's insane
Sectarism. If we had this situation in another country the UK government would raise concerns but not here. Berlin Wall, is a wall of oppression but similar wall in NI is called a peace wall😢
St Patrick's day isnt a fair comparison, one is a saint and the other event is literally about sectarianism. It is rooted in historical supremacy and has effigys of Catholics burnt. It isnt the same at all. If i showed up in a GAA shirt i could be attacked or get bother from others. If its so welcoming, i shouldn't have to think about what im wearing. I flew home revently in my lical teams jersey and my mum has me out on a jacket when i ran into a local shop in a protestant area as she was concerned. My driving instructor once made me change as we were to drive through a protestant area and she had previously had stiff thrown at her car. It isnt the same.
As a Catholic, i appreciate some of the views demonstrated here. We need to unite as Christians again. Because when push comes to shove, we will press our shoulders to the wheel together as we have done in the pasted
REALLY? Comparing st Patrick's day, celebrating a saint versus celebrating a battle that took place in a foreign country? Showing everyone in the world that they are supreme! Well not anymore! Regardless of weather catholics feel intimidated or not, the majority of catholics would not attend an orange parade because of what they represent! The protestants being the majority and catholics being second class citizens. Well that is not the case anymore. The union is crumbling, dynasties dissolve, occupations end. Get used to the facts that the landscape is forever changing and it is only a matter of time before this country is reunified, an Ireland for all. Catholic, protestant and dissenter! 💚🇮🇪🤍🇮🇪🧡🇮🇪. GET THAT DOWN YER NECK!
Mainland? He means Europe, right? France maybe?
I don't think, he knows what he means😂😂😂
The only place I know that is officially named as Mainland is in Vancouver......
Still sore about the Battle of Beachy Head
St Patricks Day: Celebrates a Saint and Irish culture by involving everyone from multiple communities and is celebrated across the world
The 12th: Celebrates a Gay Dutch protestant king and his army killing catholics putting ireland under a tyranical and sectarian rule and is only celebrated by loyalists in NI and Scotland
Patrick’s day is actually a lot more brutal than that in fairness.. it was the Christian colonisation of Ireland and it was very forceful. The story goes that he was a slave but in fact he was a slave trader and was sent on an expedition by the church to overtake Ireland. It was either that or be a debt collector In Europe which was a dangerous job at the time. Our culture was destroyed and if you didn’t agree you were slated in public or made to jump from the island. He was an awful man who btw, write his own autobiography which is taught as fact in schools here. If Hitler wrote his own autobiography he’d look very esteemed.
Saint Patrick was an agent for the Roman Empire.
@@Linesjointspenaltypoints Nonsense. He was not a slave trader and he did not force Catholicism on Ireland. We accepted it very freely.
The Queens highway? Shes fuckin dead pal did you not get the news?
Is he?
Is he?
Quite surprised at how many think reunification is on the horizon. Unthinkable 10 years ago.
It's not impossible but it is also not on the horizon
Shocked myself actually
Comparing this to St Patrick’s day is pathetic. People on the “mainland” this is pure ignorance. The mainland is IRELAND not the UK. Going to GAA match you can be black, white, red and brown. You can be Muslim, Jew or whatever, we are there for the game not to talk about history or politics. This is a parade based on hate and bigotry, you need look no further to the bonfires with the tricolour and members of the rising. That chap from London should stay in London in a foreign city in a foreign country.
You obviously don't live in the South then. There's protests against blacks, Muslims, and foreigners in general every week . The mere rumour that an abandoned empty building is being used to house "foreigners", IE non Irish has the whole town out protesting and complaing that they are being overrun. They live in a fairy tale land of leprechauns and Colleen's dancing at the crossroads. More bigoted than any Prod loyalist orange man. And as regards religious persecution, from 1922 until the start of this century the Catholic Church had a free rein to brutalise the population down south. They run the country according to their religious fanaticism that would make the Taliban look like a bunch of moderate easy going lads.
They're being goaded into comparing it to the Saint's day by the interviewer. Don't fall for the tricks pal.
GAA not political 😅Give your head a wobble .
It's constitution is nationalist and you only have to look at names of some of the clubs to see why a Prod wouldn't want to play.
@@Sportspenguin77 The fact you think that is beyond a joke and shows how you are part of the problem on this island. There is no community or religious requirement to play either sports of the GAA. However the Orange order with its “inclusive” marches is a bastion of sectarianism and Protestant hegemony. Get with the times lad
St Patrick's Day, on paper at least, celebrates the lad who brought Christianity to Ireland. There's absolutely no equivalence with parades celebrating the victory of a Protestant king over a Catholic king on the 12th of July!! "Just suck it up" doesn't cut it anymore.
We want a rematch 🇮🇪
😂2030 the, Irish a minority
I'll join in...Erin go bragh
@@JAMESLOONEY-kd1nu hehe gid fir you son. Now get organised you've no got long till yer replaced
They had it a year later. The Battle of Aughrim. The Williamites won.
@@dobermankompanie2024, British a minority in Northern Ireland
I come from a 80% nationalist town and the OO walk and parade with zero trouble with no abuse or intimidation by either side -why =because we work together,shop and mix with each other and being a OO member doesn’t mean you are a bigot and most nationalists know that.