The State of Modern Metal
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2023
- The State of Modern Metal
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Take a shot everytime I say SP-HERE!
I'm dead now nik. Thanks for that
🤣🤣🤣
I can’t. I’m 17
Taking a shot counts as FUN METAL THINGS
I'll just drink later lol. Today is my bday and I will be jamming metal all day 🤘🏾
From what I saw at the Lorna Shore show earlier this year, I was extremely surprised at how diverse the crowd was. Very young kids all the way to dudes in their 70s were there to throw down and i think metal is in a great place right now.
What show did you see?
@@theolympiyn8670 saw them in Evansville Indiana with bodysnatcher, boundaries, shadow of intent and brand of sacrifice
yeah for sure there were "dudes in their 70's" brah... for sure.
@@joelflex ah nice, I saw them when they played with gojira and mastodon. That was my first live show and holy shit it was so good.
@@PaoriLePresident my dad came with me and he’s 60, he wasn’t the oldest one there. Also, there was a very young girl with her dad (probably 10 years old tops) crowdsurfing and she got on stage with Lorna shore during their set. It’s all recorded on RUclips I believe.
bmth is probably the band I'm the most proud of, they started as a angry deathcore band as teens, and now they can do whatever the fuck they want, you just know it will work
I mentioned something similar in a previous vid because metal HAS been "dead" for a good damn while. Or at least, the meme has been alive for a very long time throughout the 2000s. If that were not the case, then I am sure whatever is going on would not be going on. I even gave mention how Nik has his own "version" of metal but with other elements (Deathphunk). That speaks for itself. Not talking ill or anything mind you, I am glad that it has gotten to this point and am excited to see what direction it will go. Might open up a hell of a lot more tastes or preferences.
I don't understand how you can be proud of something you don't have any part of. You can be proud of your child if you raise them to be a good person but how can you be proud of a band?
@@Aaron-wt4fx Well, you may not be part of a band, but if the band makes music that resonates with you, and makes you feel good or brings you anything positive then that band is a part of you in some way, so them getting recognition, success and growth will make you proud, I think it makes sense from that perspective.
@@Aaron-wt4fx You're allowed to be proud of other people.
@@Aaron-wt4fxwhy can't I be proud of what they achieved? I'm happy Oli overcame his heavy addiction, and that they're having the time of their lives now? What's wrong with that?
I would also add HUGE country artist ‘Carrie Underwood’ putting I Prevail in the spotlight and being a huge fan of theirs also the Country artist ‘Hardy’ adding breakdowns and metal aspects into his music.
Carrie is a real one
Not even breakdowns could save that hardy record
That’d be a pretty wild crossover
I Prevail is garbage.
@@ey3z4ya his drummer could single-handedly do it. That’s dude kills it.
I apprecciate this channel. As a guy that grew up on all sorts of differentmetal bands. Especially metalcore, nu netal and alternative metal. This channel has been a breath of fresh air. Love doing fun metal things here!!!!!
Yeah, Nik is cool, reminds me of some of my old high school buddies.
They tried to kill the Metal. But the Metal will live on!
😂
But they failed, as they were SMITE to the ground
Punk Rock tried to kill the Metal
@@vosoryan But they failed, as they were smite to the ground!
You can't kill the metal
Nik, To be honest I love your positivity compared to the Punk Rock MBA. You really see the positive things that happen recently. So glad you're one of the most important metal channels on RUclips.
Punk Rock MBA is so negative for no good reason
Finn Mc-whatever can kiss my ass. Can't stand Punk Rock MBA. He has a list of things he hates that can stretch from here to the moon and back. Sucks.
@@minedude33Everything about him is fucking weird. Especially how he groomed his now-wife as a minor.
He has made videos about trying to be more positive, nice guy actually
@@tim.noonanwhat?! I have to look into that. Im surprised I didn’t know about it.
I feel modern metal is in a great place. And I've also feel that a lot of gen z is angry with the world right now and metal music is honestly the best escape you have for your anger. Honestly therapeutic at times.
This is exactly how I feel I’m 16 right now and just feel so much anger at everything I feel like but I can just let it all go by just playing a great album and I just wish I could experience metal blowing up with my friend group as they all still are with the trendy rap stuff and are not into music the way I am
I'm always angy
@@teddyk4361 While being a metalhead hasn't always been the most socially acceptable thing, one of the coolest things is going to gigs and meeting all the other 'outcasts' just like you. Instant comradery. Metalheads come from all walks of life, so there always seems to be an air of acceptance. I haven't found anything else quite like it.
I was about to say the same thing, I'm sure kids are getting sick of meaningless music about pills and money flooding the scene.
Gen Z has completely and utterly ruined metal lol. Real metal shows are in bars and are demonized as "hateful" because they aren't bands preaching about acceptance and rainbows.
Ffs sake I was kicked out of a Hatebreed show for throwing down. Since when is throwing down no longer accepted?
Metal isn’t dying. It’s evolving. New is good.
These newer bands brought me back into the scene after almost a decade. Change was needed, and it’s changing for the better imo.
Last couple years definitely got me back in. The blandness in metal had me listening to shitty 808 trap beats for a few years. Glad to be back.
Metal sucks now it can evolve all it wants. Atmospheric black and death metal still is dope at least.
New doesn't automatically = good tho but I guess we'll see.
@@stephena.parker3874 why not listen to both brother
I basically can't hear any of the metalcore or shit like that, especially trap metal, but i guess i am happy if people actually start to go into the classics.
As someone who grew up with burnt CDs that had rock, metal, country, Pop, rap, r and b, and other genres mixed together, I cannot be happier to have bands attempt to put other genres in their music and do a good job at it at the same time.
Them: "Metal isn't innovative!!!"
(hears something that doesn't fit the modern, harsh vocals, "that's a metal band" sound)
Them: "THAT'S NOT REAL METAL!!!"
...it's not
Thank you for showing some love to Linkin Park and keeping their music and memory alive and current. It means a lot to us die-hard LP Fans. Truly.
Just want to add that Linkin Park is still one of the biggest bands since so many people duck them. Their streaming numbers are still monstrous and they are hands down one of the best bands ever.
So many accomplishments and many people don't give them their flowers. Just throwing some love their way.
Truth. Glad they were able to give us "One More Light" before Chester left us. All of their albums stand the test of time to this day, and IMO will always be that way.
Lost is on constant radio rotations .. I listen to it daily at work cus of my colleague :D
Linkin park is still one of the most recognized and listened bands in Brasil, so there is that.
@@Andrlz_ Much love to Brazil from me over here in the US. Keep that Linkin Park love going my friend. We gotta show the upcoming generations how beautiful music can be and that music being Linkin Park.
If Chester was alive I'm pretty sure they would be at the forefront of this new wave for metal music
8:40 is exactly why I think metal is getting bigger and bigger. More and more bands are blending other genres with metal to make it not only appealing to more people, but arguably more fun to make as well as a musician/artist.
But if they keep implementing rap and stuff like that it loses what made it good in the first place. Many of us just aren't into rap. Doesn't matter if it's mostly metal, I don't want any rap elements in my metal songs.
@koffe- then here's a simple solution to your "problem"; don't listen to it.I do understand that not everyone will not like the same stuff, which is fine! But just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that it isn't _good_ .
@@mdebyangel It's just my opinion, I'm not saying it's objectively bad. If it's what metal will become, then the genre will be dead for me personally, and I'm sure for a lot of others. And yes, it is a problem because I wouldn't have any new metal to listen to if a lot of metal elements are removed and replaced.
@@koffe- But there'll always be genres that don't incorporate that stuff. I also don't like rap parts that much, and I don't feel starved for tracks. New genre blends coming in doesn't push out traditional genres, just means there's more choice in how you want your music to sound, which is always a good thing. The whole genre idea is stupid for listening anyway, great for marketing and discovering bands, but for actual day-to-day listening, I care more about the individual artist and whether or not I like their sound. For example, there's a lot of deathcore bands I love. But there's also a lot I don't like, and there's elements of the genre's sound I'm not super into. Doesn't mean I don't like the deathcore sound some bands have tho.
So we are rating how well metal is doing based on how pop artists react to it? That's giving them too much authority over other genres.
i don't think they have authority over it but at the end of the day pop artists are the ones who have and probably will always have the most followers and people listening to what they say. so its really cool theyre publicly shouting out metal bands.
I'm glad the metal scene gets more recognition and its a great opportunity for more variety in the music, while still having our beloved chonky chonks🙏🤘
As a middle aged dude that's definitely been noticing myself be in a rut, videos like this and channels like yours help me keep myself real and not turn into the gatekeeping grandpa that I always used to hate. Going back through the video and just writing down the names of all these new metal bands my dumb suburban ass has never heard of after hitting the comment button, can't promise I'll like most of it but keeping an open mind and trying new things is part of keeping oneself from becoming to crusty. Peace out and keep doing what you're doing brother.
Couldn't have said it better! Let us know if you liked any of the newly discovered artists! ❤
In defense of gatekeeping, it does keep out the entitled twats who try to infiltrate a fandom and start dictating changes per their own sensitivities. Metal's not about coddling people's sacred cows, it's about kicking those sacred cows and telling anyone who takes offense to deal with it, because freedom of expression is absolute and shall not be impeded by anyone.
This is why i have so much respect for band like Babymetal. They were slaughtered in the beginning for having pop choruses, jumping genre's all over the place. Look what everybody is doing now. They knew how to pull in audience from pop side as well as metal side from the start.
Babymetal has always fukked hard for those that knew from day 1. Haters be damned.
@@NoLimitHonky Fucking A. I loved them from the moment I heard them and I've been listening to metal for over 20 years
I was gonna say the same thing... They had a lot of guts early on and showed that you could make something that wasn't "allowed" to be badass and just be like.... Cool story. We're gonna do our thing, y'all can hate it love it... Aint care. But the big difference for them is they were all in and 100% committed plus had a lot of talent involved. It doesn't always work out but they willed it into sticking around and showed that talent and devotion matter more than checking boxes.
Which honestly pisses me off that they don’t get the street cred they deserve today. People hype over Electric Callboy and Sleep Token like they are the first to popularise this trend when they aren’t. The only reason BM doesn’t get recognised is because people still can’t get over the Gimme Chocolate stigma and look the other way. So they rarely get mentioned in most popular conversations despite how big of a name they have in the scene. I doubt most metalheads have even heard more than 1 song of theirs, let alone a live video other than GC.
It looks bad giving credit to male fronted bands but not a group fronted by feminine women, just saying.
Babymetal isn’t real metal
It’s shit
tourists. they'll rush in, hijack it, turn it, burn it, and move along to the next instafad.
It's largely already happened. And all it's got to show is overproduction, sterile sounding rubbish and pop elements. Congrats on totally bastardizing metal you utter clowns.
Knocked Loose recently past Turnstile in Spotify monthly listeners which is crazy to me with Turnstile touring with Blink rn. But the hardcore scene in general is thriving with bands like Jesus Piece, Scowl, Drain (Post Malone pulled up to one of their shows), Zulu getting Eric Andre in a music video, Speed, Vein touring with City Morgue, UnityTX, etc. Also cool seeing a band like Loathe, who hasn’t dropped an album in a few years, having arguably their best year in terms of monthly listeners
Saw UnityTX with Currents in Houston and that show was sick.
Jared Dines gave Posty a vinyl of Infant Annihilator. Dude was actually hyped to get it
Sorry.. I might be a huge contributor to those knocked loose numbers
Ehh, I love Zulu. Which video is Eric Andre in?
I love how metal is becoming popular but part of me worries that it's just because other artists want to cannibalize the scene for profit.
Also tickets become more expensive once they're more popular lol
What profit? Lmfao
@@Bidens_DiaperThink about it. The younger generations are angry, fed up. What emotions is metal good for releasing? Anger, sadness, fear. All of which is heavily woven into the youth of today. There is a LOT of potential growth and profit there.
I also can't help but feel they are using it to add to their 'edgy' image. Doubt they are truly fans tbh.
Most of the new attention will die off, this is just a new trend and will fade out once the next music trend comes up through the mainstream
Something I've noticed is that it seems like a lot of the OG metal/guitar RUclips channels are nowhere near as massive as they were back around 2015, but so many new incredibly innovative bands and RUclipsrs are appearing and I feel really honoured to be a metal musician/RUclipsr now more than ever, really excited to see what this is all going to evolve into! Love you Nik
Something I think you’ve overlooked is the prevalence of reaction channels helping blow metal up. The amount of channels that start with one topic/genre and end up becoming predominantly metal is pretty awesome to see.
Honestly, I'm a bit more sceptical. A lot of reaction channels are really just farming clicks with lazy content (literally set up the screencap software, point a camera at yourself and you're done), and it's sort of a negative feedback loop of bands writing music for the sake of big reactions, as opposed to writing songs with structure and cohesion. The Summoning by Sleep Token is the best example of this negative feedback loop imo.
The Charismatic Voice is my favorite example of this. As soon as she reacted to Lorna, she immediately got Will on her channel and ran a camera down his throat to see how he did his vocals. And now, they have a collab vocal course together.
2 years ago, she had barely heard any harsh vocals in her life. I love watching people fall in love with metal in real time lol.
@@jakel7213I was gonna mention Elizabeth… once she heard Lorna Shore almost 2 years ago her channel went hardcore metal pretty often. But a few channels like that have changed to listening to more metal which has helped a lot to spread it around RUclips.
my mind immediately went to Alex Hefner, guy is awesome lol
I LOVE it when pop, hyperpop and rap artists include metal in their music. The combinations are much more interesting than just sticking inside the box of one genre.
This video is the antithesis to Finn McKenty's recent video about how metal really isn't that popular right now compared to the late 90's/early 2000's lol
I've been pleasantly surprised by how well my metal songs have been doing recently. I think it's a biproduct of Gen Z being much more open minded in regards to genres as well as streaming, tiktok, youtube etc being great avenues for independent artists to be more genre fluid and create more crossover fans.
The record labels are no longer able to keep audiences in tiny, rigid boxes.
Honestly, you have a big part of making metal as big as it is rn as well, you being a channel with almost 1 million subs all about metal and playing with bands live is bringing massive attention to our scene.
I have heard so many awesome bands because of Nik! He is massively important to metal!
Bad Omens have massively blown up within the last year, i first discovered them a few months before the death of peace of mind album released and since that album atleast there spotify count has sky rocketed, they didnt even have close to a million listeners when i first listened to them, absolutely love them and love there success
Bad omens deserves it for sure
I've been listening to them since their first singles came out and remember them having 100k Spotify listeners or so at the time and remember telling a friend of mine that they were gonna be getting to bmth levels of success in the next few years and glad to see they finally have especially since they're a local band to me (Richmond VA)
@@JCollins38me too
Electric Callboy, Spiritbox, Knocked Loose playing Coachella, Sleep Token, TikTok (yes, that), Lorna Shore and certain celebrities have made metal - oriented music more relevant in recent years. I could say metal reaction channels are playing a big part in the relevancy as well.
This! ☝️
bmth？
You forgot Bad Omens
@@Frederick0220Bad Omens' new record has been instrumental. I think it really all started (again) with Deftones, because lord knows they're infinitely influential, but having these newer artists like Bad Omens putting names like Noah Sebastian out on the map with these super poppy yet still metal records has been HUGE. This year, Sleep Token also picked up a DECENT amount of traffic into the scene too.
@@johnyang799 I forgot about them. They’ve played a huge factor.
I have some problems with modern metalcore/deathcore. Maybe it's just me but to me every second band sounds the same with only a few tiny differences. There are some bands I like who have their own sound and are instantly recognizable (BMTH, Electric Callboy, Lorna Shore) but there are so many groups who just sound bland. Really got tired of these genres.
It's not just you, I'm generally not into most of the core stuff either for the same reason. Plus another reason being that I don't really like the (over) production styles for a lot of those records.
To be fair though, there has always been a fair share of bland bands in metal, like the heaps of uninspired glam/hair metal bands in the 80s. So I guess it's not a problem that's exclusive to modern times. There's plenty of other cool stuff to listen to either way.
No joke. Most of the bands in those genres are starting to blend together. Also, the messages and riffs have become bland ever since 2020.
You are not wrong, its the inherent downside of popularity. Its very difficult to avoid.
Why not listen/support other kinds of metal bands then? There are bands that play an old school style of metal that just don't get the recognition they deserve like Warbringer and Cauldron, while other awesome bands like Lazarus AD, Steelwing and In Solitude have had to call it quits because they dont get enough support. People need to stop supporting the generic, mindless crap and the support the 'real' metal that actually has soul.
But in terms of modern metal style, have you listened to While She Sleeps or Alien Weaponry?
What is popular is the metal equivalent of early 2010s brostep so I'm not surprised that it's trending
What I'm hearing from this is that we may see a corporatized trend of metal elements in the coming future. I'm not excited about that. Maybe 1 out 100 people will decide to delve deeper into the actual genre, which is great, but that's about all.
We dragged a friend who listens mainly to Eminem and 90's-00's rap to a festival with Gojira, Lorna, Architects and more and he loved it. The festival had kinda everything from deathcore to edm to folk to rap, and the metal bands got hella good feedback from people that normally don't listen to heavier music
I love how Loathe havent released an album in a long time yet this might be one of the highest streamed year for them. So glad to see them growing
Yeah one thing ive noticed is normal type people are more ok with screaming now and more and more getting into not only stuff with all growls but also stuff with part and part cleans lots of people getting into symphonic metal too
For me i just absolutely hate how much rap /hiphop is just taking over metal. I feel like metalcore and stuff like that is a dumpsterfire and requires looking too deep for what i like (actual talented singers that doesn't sound like the same rinse and repeat autotuned crap over and over again that sounds like a pop song with super low tuning and occasional screams and the scariest thing to a metalcore band ever...solos) i feel like the only stuff i can rely on is the really heavy filthy stuff and memberberries. I know I'm in the minority of this crap and i give up fighting it. Now i just find good enough bands...
Same, I've resorted to almost exclusively old school death metal and brutal death, because it's the only thing that's interesting now.
@@dievleisboom332 yeah for me more on the lines of melodeath and deathcore and symphonic deathcore. Lotta stuff like black dahlia, make them suffer (heavy side not their weird metalcore-ish side) shadow of intent and the band that took the world by storm lorne shore lol.
I don't all agree with Finn takes (despite I love watching his content) but he is right about the state of modern metal or metalcore ("modern metalcore is boring" & "djent killed metal")
@@dievleisboom332 I've found some great death metal bands since 2010's (Undeath, Blood Incantation, Tomb Mold) but I've decided to listen to metal with less harsh vocal so that's why I'm back to thrash metal, heavy metal, groove metal etc. again (but I've found great thrash bands since 2000's too).
I, too, have resorted to bands that don’t sound diluted, but raw as all get out. I’ve, also, started to avoid and become tired of core genres altogether. It’s mostly the same thing with little to no change, at all. Even when there is a change, it ends up being diluted, cringe, and unlistenable. The merging of genres was interesting, at first (four years ago), but now it has become ridiculous. Tired of people saying it’s “innovative” when there were bands out there that did it before them and much better.
BMTH is doing insane numbers as well, 14 million monthly listeners on Spotify.
Ps, Nik is doing some insane numbers too, nearly a MILLION, very deserved!
Their Collab with uzi + the Chad meme seems to have done that
@@myeyesbleedblackthey hit 14 Mil before Ed Sheeran collab, the giga chad meme definitely helped them reach there. From what I recall, I think they had 7 or 8 Mil during the release of Survival Horror
@@ludens1472 Wait they jumped almost twice the monthlies AFTER post human EP came out? wow that's impressive. clearly all the memes and collabs helped, but damn that number spike is hugely impressive
@@myeyesbleedblackLol, no. They already had 8 million before the meme.
Its not about how many spotify listeners you have ..😂 that is not metal and neither is that band… (not insult)
Rappers also with rage music because a lot of them grew up listening to heavy music growing up.. seeing mosh pits at rap concerts was so jarring at first but now it just part of their culture now too
Another one I'd add is Illenium, a pretty huge EDM artist doing collabs with Spiritbox, MIW and I Prevail. Demi Lovato is putting screams in their new songs, even so many people I see at metal gigs now don't fit the stereotype for metal fan and that's amazing news. I love how the scene is expanding because it just means more great music.
i literally left a comment mentioning illenium., because yeah, metal is easily my fave genre. But i also really like edm, artists like Illenium, Gryffin, slander, trivecta, said the sky, etc.
and illenium is making me SO DAMN HAPPY with all the collabs with metal artists. or that song that Slander did with bring me. shit was fire
also kayzo and sullivan king!
All of these massive pop opportunities for metal bands is signaling to me that the industry is trying to bring metal back more than metal's fanbase growing organically.
Same, it's a double edges sword imo. It's undeniable that there are upsides. I'm happy to see a small band I've followed for years like Entheos get some attention but this kind if stuff also leads to people chasing mainstream appeal which doesn't always produce good music or results for people who already liked you.
Yes, it's so clear lmao
Yeah. Okay man! If Beyoncé wears “Slaughter to prevail” shirt and says “I wanna have a duet with Alex”, it obviously means METAL IS IN GREAT SHAPE TODAY! Riiight!
That hurt to read...
Imagine how big metal would be if the media and radio and TV actually played and covered it.
Yeh it would nice if mainstream media lived up to their demands for diversity, equality and inclusivity. But they continue to shun an entire genre of music and culture.
Nik, GIANT open-mindedness in this video. IMO, The metal world is just going through another "grunge era" Heimlich manuver - It seems that historically, Metal always maintains a massive seat at the table of creativity.
There's a difference between "supporting something" and "abusing something". I support non rock/metal artists embracing rock/metal music in a respectful way. I have a massive problem with non rock/metal artists taking something that's a "sound byte" to them, that they know hits a high with a certain demographic, and chucking some half arsed "auto tune" lyrics over it. That is not them trying to promote something, that is them feeding off someone else's success.
Part of me loves that the mainstream community is accepting metal, but part of me also resents all of these people who have never even been next to a pit pretening that they understand the culture.
Also, let's not forget Poppy for forcing a pop audience to love a metal album.
I would also say that the metal scene is doing very well but I don’t quite get why you would evaluate the success of the genre by how many mainstream artists collaborate with them or like and share their songs.
Agreed, there are some upsides for the bands themselves but for fans who already appreciated the music... It doesn't really benefit us in most cases. It may make me sound like a boomer but I don't want trendy pop musicians or trap. Rappers to start participating in thr music I already like. There may be some cool results but its likely to also just muddy the waters I was already swimming in. Its kind of a one-way street. For a pop fan to suddenly enjoy metal is a win for them but Im already fully aware of trendy pop etc, Im not interested in bringing it into the metal-sphere for the most part.
But he also talks about the streams being off the charts and huge tours. Those are very commonly measures of success and you can’t deny that the attention is part of that.
The only thing that worries me with metal becoming more mainstream is it feels* like bands start becoming more humoginous. There's still multiple types of metal but every band settles into a similar sound. Heavy bands all do the same thing, more pop metal bands and do the same thing. It feels* like a lot of originality starts to get lost because there's no more chance than ever to really get your band out there.
There's still plenty of metal bands I like, and there's always new ones coming out that I enjoy, but again to me there's good and bad parts to metal becoming more popular.
Just since you mentioned "people who listen to kpop" getting into metal, going to suggest 'NO MORE' by Dreamcatcher because it was the other way around for me. They are a kpop girl group and the song is one of their Japanese releases. It was written by Pontus Norgren, guitarist of the Swedish power metal band HammerFall.
Wait REALLY?! No wonder I love it so much
Not gonna lie, many people who listen now to kpop, were really into j-metal before during they'r teen years.
Extreme metal has great stuff coming out all the time. I follow stuff like Nuclear Blast Records, Black Metal Promotion, Metal Blade Records, and others, and there's always great new stuff being released that is worth checking out. Also make sure to check your local venues to see who's coming to town. It's always great to support these awesome bands live whenever you can.
Nuclear Blast is so good. I also follow them along with Arising Empire, Century Media, Dreambound, Epitaph, Fearless, Rise, SharpTone and UNFD
You can't deny that Sleep token did alot for the metal scene this year they got so many people listen their albums
As long as they can be a gateway to the much better metal bands out there, then they're OK by me
@@TheEvilKingStan no need to be a douche mate
@TheEvilKingStan tbh I hate this mindset as seeing certain bands as nothing more than a gateway band. It's a very backhanded compliment
@@Meh-im1qsthey’re not good enough to be anything else
@@raptorrsr5817That's such an unbelievably dumb take. I say this as someone that listens to a lot of the more "underground" and "exciting" bands (Vildhjarta, Dali Thundering Concept, Lorna Shore, Slaughter To Prevail, Karmanjakah, Invent Animate, etc etc), Sleep Token is NOT a gateway band and if you were to put your own stupid little bias away and actually listen to a record, I think you'd appreciate it. Your kind of people have been the downfall of the metal scene for so long, putting down bands like Sleep Token, Avenged Sevenfold, whatever it may be, because they're more "mainstream" and being completely ignorant to the amount of talent these musicians have. If people listening to Billie Eilish and shit are more open to different things than you, you have a damn problem.
Metal is at a low point and this video did nothing to change that opinion of mine.
A metal act on a mainstream festival, big deal. All popular music is becoming more conformitive to trends (i.e. TikTok) and doesn't have a whole lot more to offer.
Yes the metal scene looks like a giant ocean right now, but it's as deep as a puddle. A trend in most if not all music
True that.
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Metal is not dead, but it has become more mainstream than it used to be, which is why we have more poppy metal bands these days. Which work as a gateway to music fans from other genres or young fans to more easily join the metal fandom. As long as the mainstream lines with BMTH, Electric Callboy and Blind Channel don`t become the only type of metal, I am fine with it. Heavy Metal has so many subgenres, I hope they do stay alive as much as possible. Don`t get me wrong, those 3 bands I mentioned are allright, but bands like Amon Amarth, Gojira, Mastodon, old In Flames, Machine Head, Iron Maiden etc. is what I probably will always find better.
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Personally I think metal is in a pretty good spot right now with regard to being "poppy" or "mainstream", compared to the 80's and 2000's.
Imho the stuff that's considered poppy or mainstream nowadays is much less manufactured and contrived than glam metal or nu-metal. Glam and nu-metal felt like there were a lot of bands just jumping on the bandwagon to make a quick buck, very little of it felt genuine. Whereas most the stuff that's more popular nowadays at least mostly strikes me as being created because people genuinely wanted a creative outlet.
@@PandemonicHypercube That is probably a good point, I am fairly young, so I did not know glam metal was that big back in the day (I knew it was fairly large though), but yes you have a point with Nu Metal. In any case is what I am also saying is that I do not enjoy too much when heavier bands change their sounds to more softer sounds, even though of course they are entitled to do that as artists and/or bands. I sometimes feel betrayed as a fan, when bands do this. Which is why I really respect bands like Iron Maiden, Slayer, AC/DC (Hardrock, I know) and Trivium, who more or less keep the same sound, but with nuanced differences still. I cannot really like the soft generic feeling metalpop songs of some of the new bands, they have a bit too much machine produced sounds and autotune sometimes. In my book catchy popmetal songs will never be as good, as a catchy thrash metal, melodic death metal or progressive metal songs etc. So I prefer heavy and catchy much more than soft and catchy. And that is fine, we all have our own taste of music, no right and wrong really lol.
I like Amon, Gojira, In Flames, but I’m really only here to point out that you TOTALLY watch Eurovision, lol, mentioning Blind Channel and Electric Callboy (both of which I also love!)
@@batmansmith7422 I have watched the Eurovision sometimes, but if I am being completely honest, just a few times. I would say between 4-6 times? And definitely maybe only once or twice all of it, since I can't stand 70-80% of the music lol 😄 I knew Blind Channel, being a Finn, that year I just watched their performance and Måneskin, and then the voting. Electric callboy I have not seen. Just another RUclips algorhitm treasure 😎 That being said, some treasures are more worth than others, but yes I do enjoy those two bands too a bit. Maybe 7-8 rating (without seeing them live but I guess at some point yes). But seeing Gojira, Amon Amarth and In Flames alive. Always a 10 rating.
most of what you call metal isnt even metal its just borrowing its traits.
More like bastardizing them.
The whole "metal is dead" meme in my mind is the same thing as the "there's no good music anymore"- meme in that it's something thrown about by people who aren't really listening. Whether they are not doing any work looking for what's happening in music, have too much of a boomer mindset to open themselves enough to begin get what's happening in music right now or whatever else, these people just are not TRULY listening.
There's an INSANE amount of innovation and just general awesomeness out there, and there's more of it all than ever. It might not get played on mainstream radio but it is very much out there. We should consider ourselves the luckiest mothertruckers ever to get to live with the metal scene that exists in this moment.
I don't presume to speak for anyone other than myself here, but I really, really don't want metal to enter the ring of mainstream popularity.
I feel very strongly that one of the best things about the genre, one of the most important pillars of metal is that in the grand scheme of musical tastes, not very many people like it.
If you suddenly thrust metal into the spotlight, into the ring, it will be stripped of its spirit, gutted, mass-produced and left to drown in the sea of every other band that lives or dies by its ability to produce a viral hit every few years in order to stay relevant.
Spiritbox will not survive with a Singles Ep when Doja Cat gets a billion clicks for a new hit that gets used in every Tiktok and summer blockbuster that year.
Metal needs its humble lesser fame. It needs awkward teenagers who don't feel understood, it needs conversations that start with "I don't know how you can listen to that noise", it needs $30 tickets to a band from your hometown.
Bring Me the Horizon represents the beginning of the end of metal as we know it. That's what I believe. I don't need a 15 seconds of fame Rap artist on my next Loathe album to prove to me its worth...
I used to be really into metal when I was 13-15 but there’s smth in the air now that made me get into heavy music again! i’m 23 now btw. Everything just feels so open and fun.
Something people don't mention much is how modern anime is also getting people to listen to metal. The amount of people I know that started to listen to metal after hearing something like The Rumbling-SiM from anime is amazing
For the -Core scenes it is evolving which is good for that side of things but with how trends and media consumption are now it's more likely to get the kind of people who hear about it but don't really delve into it like we had when Deadhaven/Liturgy brought a lot of people into Black Metal 10 years ago who didn't really listen to anything past that vein of Black Metal ( The Artwork and Sunbather were solid albums I'll admit though when I gave them a spin finally though. . . .) but what I want to see is more people plugging new/old black metal, death metal, doom/sludge drone/ folk metal bands to new fans coming in to give them a diverse taste of what's out there. Mastodon is still popping off but their stuff is pretty much rock now, if you see someone playing something by them show them some of their rich stuff from the first four albums that hardly anyone talks about anymore.
Honestly, it's cool to see how diverse how metal is now. I'm a 14 year old girl that's been listening to rock and metal ever since I was 5 and it's so amazing to see kids my age mosh to music I like
Good music taste
Yeh its always amazing seeing that 1 dude black dude at a show. Super diverse 😂
The problems is probably one of these 3:
* Gate-keeping, from the metal community (Stranger things moment)
* The meta isn't metal (Slowly starting to become meta for sure)
* The amount of people who doesn't really try new genres in general
Metal was never on the brink of death, it just didn't grow as much as other genres grew before
There has never been a better time for small metal bands than right know. There are so many small metal bands making fantastic music across multiple different genres, and i love it as someone who needs new music every few months
Here in Europe there is a young crowd bringing Heavy Metal back onto the stages and making it their own. It's great to see as a millenial that the age has dropped even at smaller shows. The kids are alright!
I couldn't disagree with you more on the "goodness" of diversity in Metal. I guess it's time for my final evolution to listening to only Classical. My worldview is totally different. Lemme put it like this: When you cut down a tree, mill it into lumber, and build a chair, why yes indeed, you've got a chair now. But you've lost the tree. Mainstreaming Metal for normies means I lose my tree. I'm not excited for this. I'm depressed.
You've got a point, but I see it more like a chair made of branches. You can see it's made from a tree and it still contains elements of it, but it doesn't look like a tree and you don't use it like one. We've made the tree not look like a tree to make people who hate them like something that contains parts of one and then delude ourselves into thinking "yes, people are starting to love trees".
@@JerryO1995 *lights cigarette, exhales* Yeah, man.
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I was definitely one of the “rock/metal is dead” people until recently. I played in bands as a teen and always liked heavier music, but as I got older I moved into more rap and pop.
Coming back and finding new bands that sound awesome has been refreshing and inspired me to play my guitars more often. I like the experimentation and genre blending. Metal has become more pop flavored than I think many would admit, but I think that’s a good thing. Gotta have good songs for people to stick around.
I sought out all the rock & metal bands back in the 80's. When Kurt Cobain, Nirvana, Grunge, Rap & Hip Hop came on the scene & rejected that shit like a plague & continued to search for hard rock/metal. Now I'm still searching for new rock & metal & it's better than ever! So many bands I can't keep up. The 90s was easily the worst decade ever! It was so hard to get through it. Some of my metalhead friends turned to rap. Others started listening to shit like The Cranberries. I'm glad rock & metal survived that nightmare.
lol most metalheads have an unreasonable hatred for rap, hip hop, and pop music. but metal is absolutely influenced by those genres, especially pop.
@@sci-fi.tsunami Kinda funny because the ‘90s had a lot of iconic rock and metal albums and bands that are well - known today. Korn, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, the aforementioned Nirvana, Weezer, Green Day, Foo Fighters, The Smashing Pumpkins, Lenny Kravitz, Jeff Buckley, Oasis, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Limp Bizkit, etc. I feel it was alive and well in the ‘90s.
Modern metal on RUclips is apparently two unbleached balloon knots on a face. Was half expecting to see some dingleberries on that mug.
I feel like bands such as Electric Callboy, Babymetal, Sleep Token and others alike are really pulling this culture blend with their huge genre mixing, I mean, Metal and Tekkno! J-pop/rock and Deathcore! Just Sleep Token! I feel like before they started doing what they do and really changing things no one saw this coming
sleep token is a genre of its own at this point
@@nexusstorm4790Yeah, Sleep Token has kinda just become the Deftones of the modern age. Influencing everybody, doing their own thing, amassing a diehard audience (myself included), and overall being a band for people of all types. It's really cool to see. And, like Deftones, they're not JUST a gateway band. They get people into it, but those same people also stick with the band and keep that involvement, oftentimes diving deeper, so there are different types of listeners. For Deftones, you have the people that only listen to the big shit like Change, Drive, Passenger, etc, and then people diving into their less well-known stuff like 976-Evil. For Sleep Token, there are the people listening to The Summoning, Alkaline, Atlantic, and then the more devoted people listening to Jaws, Calcutta, Gods. The scene is more diverse and open than ever right now, even though the (idiotic) gatekeepers are still around in small pockets. I'm here for it, 100%.
Alright that’s the 3rd time I’ve heard/seen “electric call boy” this week and WTF is it??
@@theraVen27 it’s an awesome af band from Germany who mix techno music with metal and it’s such an awesome vibe
If you listen to them you definitely have to hear their song ‘Tekkno Train’ , such a banger
They actually very nearly made it onto Eurovision this year but sadly didn’t, i really hope they do next year
Babymetal has defined itself as it’s own genre by it’s own name sense it’s inception. The name literally was meant to mean “newborn metal.” Everything else was kind of a pun on the name. I kind of wish more metal heads in the west would take them more serious and give them credit for being ahead of it’s time.
My metal wish for this year is a Will Ramos x Demy Lovato crossover, wouldn't even care if Will did full cleans, just the fact that deathcore could have a crossover with mainstream pop would be wild
this is definitely one of the best videos on this topic that i’ve seen. nik touched basically every single topic, elaborated on it perfectly and said all of the right things that needed to be said,, good stuff man
As someone who’s just starting their journey to becoming a metal vocalist this is very encouraging!
I think it's quite a testament to Korn that they're been going this long with this level of consistency to the point that they're coming back around into popularity. Absolutely insane dedication, I'd love to see them collab with different genre artists.. Surely Korn would absolutely shine at that
I used to be bullied for listening to core/metal music and dressing alt, now thats its blowing up and seeing how big of an impact its made im so happy for the future and rise if alt culture!
New sub! I've been playing in metal bands for over 15 years and while the scene in my hometown has ebbed and flowed, it's currently popping off with a bunch of new quality acts. I just picked up a new imac yesterday to do some home recording and I really like how the modern metal scene is much more self sufficient than it was 10 years ago
As a metalhead, if Metal died (as people say it did) this seems to be it coming came back to life as this undead creature. What is more metal than that?
Nope, not for me. This new diverse 'pop goes metal' shit makes me cringe and thats just my opinion. Its cool metal is finally getting the recognition it deserves, but, I'll just stick to Gojira, Meshuggha, and Tool, and all the other 'old school dad rock' bands i grew up on.
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I would love to see music and everyone come together and stuff.. but it’s really hard not to have the thought in the back of my mind that this is basically just artists hopping on trends because it’s a good business move… like I yes some artist could actually be down with it but I feel the majority of people would just use this to enhance their image
I found and started to appreciate metal through video game tracks, and its slowly grown into one of my most listened to genres and is helping me appreciate more gentes than ever. I'm glad I got into the genre recently, and I'm excited to see what its future holds
I think you’ve contributed more than you realize Nik. My wife who only listens to metal through me has brought some new bands to my attention pretty much through clips she saw through you. I had a friend who HATES metal link me the Linkin Park style song you did as well. He loves it.
Also, I love this straight commentary style video. More of these!!
I reluctantly agreed to go to a Fall Out Boy show with my girlfriend but became pretty hyped when a day before the show I found out BMTH was an opener. They played a good setlist and by the end Oli was able to get the crowd pretty into it.
In 2016 I was pretty fed up with modern or mainstream metal and went completely underground and oldschool, discovering all sorts of stuff but now since two years or so there is some good progression going on. I'm still more into the oldschool side of things but bands like Lorna Shore or especially Code Orange really make things interesting again.
I’d also say that we are halfway through the year too. Artists/bands like Kim Dracula just released a new album this month and are starting a North American tour with A7X and others in September, along with INK said to release more later this year
I grew up in a household, where I would hear deathcore/black metal from one side and techno/disco from the other.
My old burned CDs when I was a kid were a mix of these genres, one song from Rammstein only for Basshunter to come next.
Nowdays I LOVE bands like InfectedMushroom ... song called "Ani Mevushal" has a freaking guitar solo, whilst psytrance beat is still banging in the background, or a song "The Legend of the Black Shawarma" (from InfectedMushroom as well) has full on guitars.
Niviro who made primarly hardstyle just dropped a song that if someone slapped onto a BMTH album I wouldn't think it's someone different.
I love this, it's so fun to explore new bands or even listen to new releases from bands you've been listening for ages, not knowing what will surprise you!
One second you have full on rave gabber moment, the next second you have a full breakdown ... what's not to like?
This year I went to a Bring me the horizon show and, oh my god, it was Insane. Actualy this show was in Budapest and it was the first one with the new on stage visuals and setlist. Probably the best metal show I've ever been. And I have been to a lot of shows through the years watching almost every band I like. I agree with you that metal is in great shape. So many new cool bands.
They've finally learned to play live, well lol. They weren't always that way, but I'm glad they put in the effort/practice time. Seeing them in Louisville at Louder Than Life, cannot fukkin' wait.
Nice to see that Metal is getting more recognition. although i`m more at home in the DIY Grindcore scene, which stays small and cozy as it should be. Cause nothing beats a backyard highspeed bulldozer blastbeat gig with a crowd of 30 people xD
I agree with what you're saying, but I think that only a certain section of metal is getting all the love right now. And that is the stuff that's more influenced by hiphop and metalcore. I honestly want ALL styles of metal to flourish like that in order to truly say that metal as a whole is doing good.
So cool to see the direction we're going. BTW really like your edits on this one!
I really hope there are more collabs to come between Demi and metal artists. Considering she has a song with over a billion Spotify streams, it's huge that she's doing shit for our scene. Also I still hope to see Doja Cat collaborating with Plini, due to that Say So/Handmade Cities incident, kinda like how BMTH got to collab with Amy Lee after they were accused of ripping off an Evanescence song.
So basically metal is """coming back""" because already mainstream metalcore artists decided to dilute their sound with even more mainstream elements to make it more appealing to the tiktok masses? Lmao.
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I miss the 90s with every fiber of my being when metal was metal, rock was rock and movies and entertainment didn't suck shit through a crazy straw.
@@joeylummox7330 The ‘90s were where everything was true and edgy to a point where it scared or surprised someone. Wish we could emulate those times in modern day, but I know there’s a low percent chance of that ever happening. It seems people want to dilute and soften the edge to a point where it’s accessible, but unlistenable. Even when you have something that’s edgy, it’s try - hard or complete cringe.
So good to watch a channel that combines só much with what I've been followibg
Ed sheeran and cradle of filth?? That’s insane.
Modern metal is a joke, only focusing on who is heavier and who is using the Lowest tuning; instead of making good music and finding their own style. They seriously killed metal, that's why there were not gonna be another metal legend.
And who can do 0-0-0-000-0-0-0-000-1 better instead of actually trying to create a memorable riff like Pantera, Metallica, megadeth, and ect
What a good year to be a metalhead!
Ed Sheeran collabing with Cradle of Filth isn't /that/ odd. Ed has said in interviews before he used to go to CoF gigs back in Suffolk, and both have now collabed with BMTH
1st time actually watching one of your videos. Very dope!
I love that hard-core is getting the love it deserves. However, now I fear the mainstream getting its grubby hands on those bands. Too many good bands have just gone down the drain thanks to mainstream labels, forcing them to become more public friendly for money. 5FDP, architects, asking Alexandria, etc.
maybe I'm alone here but i have misgivings about this i feel like this is diluting rock and metal. mgk shows that when it comes to pop punk for instance let alone looking up things rock is deemed anything with a guitar in it. it also doesnt feel like a movement either just a fad.
This. I gave up on pop punk after Tickets to My Downfall. The whole scene became diluted with knockoffs of his crap and less quality material. The new stuff is dead to me.
This video introduced me to Paledusk, thanks a lot!
I’ve found a LOT of up and really metal bands through Spotify lately (Revaira, No Eye Has Seen, Still Stayer, Frontières, Levels, Coldstate, Lost Trees, and the list goes on) that I’ve been enjoying. I feel very spoiled for choice with how much good music there is to find
I'm not convinced myself. I used to be proper into the scene along with many of my friends and I can't remember the last I heard a new band/song and got excited enough to actually get back into the swing of things. Fair to play those artists who seem to have garnered some mainstream attention but the barrier of entry is so how high now (especially with some of the subgenres) that to most people, myself included, a lot of it is completely unlistenable and I grew up loving this stuff. I think metal will probably ultimately end up a bit like jazz; have a very hardcore devoted and passionate fan base, occasionally be made reference to in pop culture, but ultimately stay outside the mainstream. Which is probably what most metalheads would want anyway so win win.
I think its also worth mentioning that we now have at least one band that has reached major festival headline level in the last few years (Gojira). It is something that was needed considering it has largely been the same bands headlining for the past 2-4 decades. And many of those bands are starting to reach the end of their careers. Parkway Drive is another one (headlined Wacken). To me, that is more important than whatever is going on in terms of mainstream approval.
I still think 80s/90s is by far the peak for heavy metal, and probably always will be. But there is still very good stuff being made. Alien Weaponry is one example of band that I've discovered in the last year that are freakin' awesome.
5:07 - that's EXACTLY what BMTH did with Linkin Park in 2013.
The crowd on Lorna Shore's both gigs in Finland were fucking massive and there were people headbanging from pretty much every age from 18 to all the way to 70. Even my friend, who is a 25 year old girl who listens only to Finnish rap and English radiopop likes Lorna Shore just because of their live shows.
Also Ville Valo said in a Finnish interview about their gig on Tuska that he's really happy and surprised to see people of all age and all kinds of backgrounds on their gigs crowd. He was astonished to see metal getting some new lift and making massive waves, only thing he was sad about was not experiencing it with other members of HIM, just his current soloband.
On metal's rise in Europe I think a big part was with Blind Channel's and Electric Callboy's Eurovision stints and BMTH's songs with Ed Sheeran etc.
@@Lamiacs Wait I thought metal was already big & popular there before Eurovision or Electric Callboy? I mean yea maybe these help gaining metal's popularity but I guess it's more extreme or "niche" side of metal that's popular there (death metal, black metal, doom metal, symphonic metal, gothic metal, power metal, folk metal etc.).
@@gx1tar1er it was, but the audience has gotten way bigger and it's not that genre-limited anymore