UPDATED INFORMATION: I have installed the Westbrass W&O assembly and have added some installation information about it to the affiliate links that are in the description of this video. And I went with plumber's Putty instead of silicone for the drain. 🙂
In my home, the waste and overflow's pluger/linkage mechanism had seized in the metal piping. Trying to salvage the drain itself, damaged the unit, and we had to replace the whole thing. Since we were going with the turn-pull style closer, we went with PVC...I feel like it was the better choice for us with our horrible hard water...everything "brass" still corrodes.
Very helpful. As a homeowner doing a bath that I hope to also last the rest of my life, I felt the brass was a better solution due to the ruggedness. Thank you for this informative video. BTW, I will use plumbers putty on the tube side of the drain, because I read that using silicon there makes it very difficult to remove if it becomes necessary to replace (which explains why it is impossible to remove in my sons house).
Right from the beginning, from knowing the quality of your work, I had no doubt youd use brass. I prefer brass as well. I need to remodel my bathroom including replacing the tub and plan to replace the garbage PVC with new brass for durability and longevity. Just by using your provided costs, this is $12 vs $66. So $48 difference. If I'm going through all the hell to put in a new fixture like a tub that I want to last for decades without trouble, $48 is a pittance over the cost of the project. $48 is a no brainer. People need to start thinking this way in our society again and we'll actually excel and go much further.
I bought a long tube 17 gauge Westbrass, about $60 amazon Prime, and had to take off about 8 inches. So when I went to shorten the link rod for the drain valve, the brass was so hard it snapped when I bent the new loop end. The waste piece was long enough to try the loop again, but I would heat it next time to make it safer to bend. But, I used the old 60 year old brass rod from the replaced Price Phister instead, as the loops opened enough to re-use it without incident. Also, I would not use the copper compression rings that come with the Westbrass, use the nylon ones. I don't know if a human being actually has enough physical strength to make copper rings on an inch and one half tube not leak. They were always difficult on one inch condensate lines at work, at atmospheric pressure, on a PYE tv transmitter.
I went through a rather painful experience a few years ago replacing the whole assembly over a period of one year. The elbow was leaking the morning that I was taking my wife to the hospital !! Since then, she had a total of 5 surgeries to remove gall stones (with a trip to emergency, followed by long wait, then surgery) plus a triple bypass heart surgery -- she survived all the surgeries.. I could not afford to work on the plumbing problem because there is only one bathroom in the house. I ended up putting in just a new elbow plus flexible hose to take the water to the laundry tub directly below. I bought the cheap PVC kit ($20) and also the expensive brass kit. I ended up using the PVC kit because I had very limited space behind the tub. I still have the brass kit which I might use to replace the PVC one as a fun project in the future. All the subtle problems & solutions you talked about in your video are exactly the experience I went through on my own ---- I wish I could have watched your video a few year ago !!
Great informative video! I'm redoing my washroom and the overflow of my new tub doesn't line up, so I'm trying to find just a longer brass pipe (which also had a brass bevelled joint slip washer). I might head to home depot tonight just to see if they have any longer pipes, or if anyone there can direct me towards a solution.
Uh, how long did it take for those brass tailpipes to corrode? And what gauge were they? I bet they lasted way longer than any replaced pvc will last. And get the heavier gauge brass.
I don't see the point, the entire remaining of your DWV is made out of plastic, if it's visible/freestanding? Maybe chrome plated brass, otherwise brass may corrode overtime imo
What happened to the old fashioned rubber plug stopper that we used on the old tubs when I was a kid. Easy to use and replaced. No maintenance needed. Maybe it's just me but so many modern conveniences are to problematic.
Plumber's putty is not suitable for a short list of materials (cultured marble or real marble, some plastics, ...). Other than that, the only reason to use silicone is because you cannot or will not learn how to use putty.
Hi Sir. I'm building a outdoor cast iron bath that recalculates the water to a heated tank. So we bought the brass and I went to put it all together for a pre-run assembly mainly to makes sure it was all there. I noticed lead on my hands. Then looked at the package and observed the California lead warning. So, I guess lead is in some brass? Is this product unsafe for us to use the way we intend?
That’s odd. I don’t think there is lead in brass. Personally, I would proceed and not be concerned with any safety issues. If there is lead it is going to be a very small amount and you aren’t drinking the water. 👍
I'm very inexperienced when it comes to plumbing and recently bought an old house. The plug had broken off the chain and lodged in the p-trap. I want brass, but I will never buy that lever/chain plug style. Also, why am I seeing some plumbers use teflon tape/pipe dope for the drain threads while others using nothing?
I'm sorry but I hate trip levers. Putting anything inside a pipe to stop the water flow is crazy to me. I prefer the toe lever or the silicone cover in a tub. As a landlord I have removed too many that have gotten stuck and broke off in the pipe and caused a backup in the tubs.
UPDATED INFORMATION: I have installed the Westbrass W&O assembly and have added some installation information about it to the affiliate links that are in the description of this video. And I went with plumber's Putty instead of silicone for the drain. 🙂
When you were talking about that, my thoughts were, that you needed to keep doing what you were doing for years. I trusted your plumbers putty!!
Very impressive. This man knows his stuff and does a great job teaching us. Love it.
Plumbers putty. They make 2 types. The regulars stuff can stain some materials and the non staining will not.
In my home, the waste and overflow's pluger/linkage mechanism had seized in the metal piping. Trying to salvage the drain itself, damaged the unit, and we had to replace the whole thing. Since we were going with the turn-pull style closer, we went with PVC...I feel like it was the better choice for us with our horrible hard water...everything "brass" still corrodes.
Thanks for the information Mr. Kimball!
Very helpful. As a homeowner doing a bath that I hope to also last the rest of my life, I felt the brass was a better solution due to the ruggedness. Thank you for this informative video. BTW, I will use plumbers putty on the tube side of the drain, because I read that using silicon there makes it very difficult to remove if it becomes necessary to replace (which explains why it is impossible to remove in my sons house).
My house is 40 yrs old I’m changing my brass right know so atleast it last that long
Right from the beginning, from knowing the quality of your work, I had no doubt youd use brass.
I prefer brass as well. I need to remodel my bathroom including replacing the tub and plan to replace the garbage PVC with new brass for durability and longevity.
Just by using your provided costs, this is $12 vs $66. So $48 difference. If I'm going through all the hell to put in a new fixture like a tub that I want to last for decades without trouble, $48 is a pittance over the cost of the project. $48 is a no brainer.
People need to start thinking this way in our society again and we'll actually excel and go much further.
I bought a long tube 17 gauge Westbrass, about $60 amazon Prime, and had to take off about 8 inches. So when I went to shorten the link rod for the drain valve, the brass was so hard it snapped when I bent the new loop end. The waste piece was long enough to try the loop again, but I would heat it next time to make it safer to bend. But, I used the old 60 year old brass rod from the replaced Price Phister instead, as the loops opened enough to re-use it without incident. Also, I would not use the copper compression rings that come with the Westbrass, use the nylon ones. I don't know if a human being actually has enough physical strength to make copper rings on an inch and one half tube not leak. They were always difficult on one inch condensate lines at work, at atmospheric pressure, on a PYE tv transmitter.
I went through a rather painful experience a few years ago replacing the whole assembly over a period of one year. The elbow was leaking the morning that I was taking my wife to the hospital !! Since then, she had a total of 5 surgeries to remove gall stones (with a trip to emergency, followed by long wait, then surgery) plus a triple bypass heart surgery -- she survived all the surgeries.. I could not afford to work on the plumbing problem because there is only one bathroom in the house. I ended up putting in just a new elbow plus flexible hose to take the water to the laundry tub directly below. I bought the cheap PVC kit ($20) and also the expensive brass kit. I ended up using the PVC kit because I had very limited space behind the tub. I still have the brass kit which I might use to replace the PVC one as a fun project in the future. All the subtle problems & solutions you talked about in your video are exactly the experience I went through on my own ---- I wish I could have watched your video a few year ago !!
Great informative video! I'm redoing my washroom and the overflow of my new tub doesn't line up, so I'm trying to find just a longer brass pipe (which also had a brass bevelled joint slip washer). I might head to home depot tonight just to see if they have any longer pipes, or if anyone there can direct me towards a solution.
Replaced a few old brass ones that failed, lower horizontal tube corrodes, gets thin and breaks. It’s pvc for me.
Uh, how long did it take for those brass tailpipes to corrode? And what gauge were they? I bet they lasted way longer than any replaced pvc will last. And get the heavier gauge brass.
Sitting water? Are they meant to be sloped?
Nice video.
I would prefer the brass drain as well if price is not a main concern.
I don't see the point, the entire remaining of your DWV is made out of plastic, if it's visible/freestanding? Maybe chrome plated brass, otherwise brass may corrode overtime imo
What happened to the old fashioned rubber plug stopper that we used on the old tubs when I was a kid. Easy to use and replaced. No maintenance needed. Maybe it's just me but so many modern conveniences are to problematic.
Your video was very helpful if you have more videos I will watch your video helped me make a decision
Could you provide the link to the Westbrass kit in the notes please? Thanks.
Hi Roy,
Click on the description for links AND some updated information. I installed the assembly in my tub today.
@@herrickkimballthanks much!
silicone seems to be working better for pvc or acrylic , plumber putty works the best for porcelain or cast iron
Great video and great info. Thanks for sharing.
Plumber's putty is not suitable for a short list of materials (cultured marble or real marble, some plastics, ...). Other than that, the only reason to use silicone is because you cannot or will not learn how to use putty.
They make plumbers putty that will not stain but I don't know if it has the longevity of the old stuff.
When you say silicone , do mean silicone caulk, spray, or grease?
Thank you!
@@jerrydickson6190 caulk
Always go with the brass it's better.
Hi Sir. I'm building a outdoor cast iron bath that recalculates the water to a heated tank. So we bought the brass and I went to put it all together for a pre-run assembly mainly to makes sure it was all there. I noticed lead on my hands. Then looked at the package and observed the California lead warning. So, I guess lead is in some brass? Is this product unsafe for us to use the way we intend?
That’s odd. I don’t think there is lead in brass. Personally, I would proceed and not be concerned with any safety issues. If there is lead it is going to be a very small amount and you aren’t drinking the water. 👍
I'm very inexperienced when it comes to plumbing and recently bought an old house. The plug had broken off the chain and lodged in the p-trap. I want brass, but I will never buy that lever/chain plug style. Also, why am I seeing some plumbers use teflon tape/pipe dope for the drain threads while others using nothing?
I'm sorry but I hate trip levers. Putting anything inside a pipe to stop the water flow is crazy to me. I prefer the toe lever or the silicone cover in a tub. As a landlord I have removed too many that have gotten stuck and broke off in the pipe and caused a backup in the tubs.
Quality of brass these days is terrible, i dont recommend using brass I'm seeing them fail within 6 yrs, water quality also affects its life duration