United pilots not receiving response from Newark Tower. REAL ATC
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- A United Airlines Boeing 737-800, registration N14230, performing flight UAL476 from Orlando International Airport (KMCO) to Newark Liberty International Airport (KEWR).
Being on short final at Newark requested clearance to land several times but didn’t get any response from Tower controller. As a result, they commenced a “Go Around” procedure.
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"Tower, possible ATC deviation, ready to copy a number.."
Yeah!
🤣
Predictable. 🙂
Tower possible controller deviation advise when ready to copy a number
I was thinking that exact same thing.
No when ATC makes a mistake its simply a “ sorry bout that” yet a pilot gets his ass chewed out over radio and ends with the all powerful “ got a number for you to call”
Annoying as it might have been, the go-around was necessary. I bet the pilot did a silent scream when Tower asked reason for go-around.
Lmao, i almost spilled my sh when he asked that question
@@yogotti2115 Right? Like WTF, dude?
Or not a silent scream… a non-frequency scream
Didn't even acknowledge it or apologize, either. Yeesh, those northeast controllers are brutal.
Dude, i would love to hear the recordings of the cockpit voice recorder. It's propably not suited for children...🤣
The pilots did the correct thing, you can't land without a tower clearance during controlled operations.
every approach is a go around with a possible landing (assuming you have power...)
“Possible Controller Deviation”
Bruh obviously never heard of 7700 or better yet 7600 shut that John up (only jokes)
I’d love to hear the pilot say “Tower, possible ATC deviation, let me know when you’re ready to copy a number to call”
It isn't a deviation. Tower doesn't have to clear them to land. Tower controller could be busy doing something else. The pilots did the correct thing.
System bent but it worked. And you could tell the Newark Tower and Departure controllers both realized where the issue probably was.
Only in Newark would you see the Departure controller apologizing for the Tower controller error.
Or Canada
So much pretentiousness 🙄
They were so fast to give go-around directions 💀
“Landing clearance?”
…
“NEED LANDING CLEARANCE!”
…
“Going around”
“Aight fly runway heading lol”
@@starstencahl8985 Reason for the go-around.😐
Not an excuse, but a probable explanation. Initial call on and response for the go around call were two different controllers. Most likely the part where United wasn’t being responded to was most likely when the relief briefing was happening. Controllers never heard the repeated requests. In the center environment the relief briefings are on a recorded line, while this is happening the radio comes over a speaker, and could be missed if there is a lot of other noise at that time.
Looks likely the briefing ended just as United executed the go around. I’m sure the relieving controller had been erroneously thought they had been cleared to land so was surprised. The primary cause would thus be a poor briefing, or poor timing by the relieved controller. Briefings should only come when it is safe. I have on many occasions delayed and even passed on being relieved if I thought there was too much going on at the moment to give a proper briefing.
I don't know about that because tower was giving instructions to other aircraft while united was asking for landing clearance.
I get high tempo operations, but to ignore multiple requests for landing clearence and then have to do a go around is wrong. I do hope there is an investigation into this situation.
I was thinking to myself, "He's not going to ask for go around reason." But they did... TWICE! So comical. I wish there was CVR audio shared from this.
That’s not CVR. It’s the over the air broadcasts.
@@df20001 he said he wishes there WAS a cvr available.
The pilot should have said “I need you to copy down a number” 😂😬😬😬
Regardless of where the break down was those United pilots did the right thing.
Is there any recourse by the airline to the controlling authority? This must cost a huge amount in fuel and engine depreciation.
One toga? 8 minutes fuel? That’s one passengers ticket cost. Drop in the bucket
@@JohnnieV Can you support that with actual numbers?
@@MrDeanonline I did a go-around in a 757 once and it cost us 3,500 pounds of fuel. Divide 3,500 by 6.7 pounds per gallon and that is 522 gallons of fuel. At $3 per gallon currently, that's $1560 !!!
Now it’s $6 a gallon
"united 476 say reason for go"
"mh, you say the reason"
"Tower, United 476, I have a number for you to call when you're ready."
Sounds like the first request was "stepped on" by another aircraft. Who knows why the second request wasn't answered, it sounded clear.
There were four calls for landing clearance in total. Even if one was stepped on, the controller missed another three.
So were the third and fourth ones ...
ATC: United reason for go? United: Ask your coworkers.
Can’t give tower a number to call, sadly
I'm glad this was recorded. I'm waiting for a good reason for the no response that triggered the go around. What were you guys doing in the tower?
I was going to ask if this was a Newark thing, I’ve heard about these several times, though I suppose the sheer volume of traffic makes these as common as meteor strikes.
I could swear there was another video from Newark recently where a different flight had to do a go around due to no tower clearance
To put it in perspective, that controller probably cost the airline 10k in fuel etc. I would be filing a complaint.
Tower united 476 possible controller deviation advise when ready to copy a number
ATC guy just needs to say it’s my fault.
It wasn't his fault
Why thay didunt be givêd Clêarancê ¿¿¿
someone is in big trouble
tower was out for a drink
I'm not a pilot nor ATC - what's all the comments about "ATC deviation" and "a number to call"?
When a pilot does not follow established procedure or follow ATC instructions it often results in a report to FAA of "pilot deviation" with a range of consequences. Pilots are instructed to take down a phone number to call ATC when they land. In these calls they are perhaps taken to the woodshed by controllers or informed of the nature of the report being made. Either way, you don't want to hear that a call is requested. Here, these are humorous comments that the shoe ought to be on the other foot with ATC dropping trou in the woodshed.
@@JDHIGGINS3 Got it! Thanks for sharing, my friend
ATC asleep at the wheel.
Textbook example of following process when things go wrong. Departure even apologised. Fair play all around.
The wind was blowing & they had a job to do.
Possible controller deviation, report ready to copy number to call
Not very familiar with situations like this one. Is it a common occurrence?
Rare. I once heard AA 737 landing at
LAX and he never asked for landing permission. Tower got mad at him.
I’ve heard ATC and pilots get in little arguments from time to time.
Happened to all pilots not getting landing clearance then at minimum you have to go around. Never ever land nor takeoff without clearance got to hear atc say cleared to land and pilot has to acknowledge by reading back clear to land with the runaway number and the ident. It can be a malfunction , someone with a hot mic on the frequency etc. Hope this answers your question
ATC not paying attention, not responding to calls, cost United a few thousand dollars there
Again!?!??!
Relax. I can guarantee there was 2 people in United 476 on the flight deck, focused on a single goal. Guaranteed there are many people in Newark Tower focused on more than one thing, their entire shift. The system works.
and it is all on tape. tower cannot deny......
Does ATC have a phone number to copy down? They should...
The United 476 aircrew should have said to the Tower controller, "Tower, United 476, possible Controller deviation, prepare to copy a phone number".
It isn't a deviation. The tower controller told them to continue. If you don't receive a clearance you go-around as they did. There's no requirement to be given a landing clearance.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or No, it doesn't work that way. This is part of the checks and balances in commercial aviation. Not giving clearance or a "go around" response to the aircrew is what we call "no control from the controller". He was either lazy, inattentive, or purposely delayed a landing. The delay costs the airline money. The controller was irresponsible.
@@marshallpoe8087 We have no idea why the pilot's weren't given a clearance. It could be neither of those things and probably is. The pilots did the right thing and followed procedures. This is procedural control and it kept everyone safe.
Interestingly at the beginning of the approach they were told to slow down. I wonder if the tower controller was watching the airplane in front of them to see if they were going to be able to clear the runway first or have the minimum separation distance and a anxious pilot wen't around a bit early? Late landing clearance in my experience at EWR are not uncommon.
The similar thing happened to me when I was at short final and didn’t received any landing clearance. I told my instructor for go around. His remarks wait till the last moment and the clearance just arrived before touch down. 😂
It happens sometimes when ATC is overwhelmed by traffic in their airspace.
unprofessional.. my instructor would have figuratively slapped you for that...
@@Dpxc Indeed yes it is very unprofessional, but I wouldn’t think he would’ve slapped me for asking the clearance first 🤣
Pretty sure it was clear to Land. But of course the pilot did the right thing. By landing he would have gotten a "possible pilot deviation".
“Pretty sure” is never acceptable in aviation
"Pretty sure" in aviation has always lead to hundreds of deaths
Tower I got a number for you to call…
Maybe tower had to pee....
Tower, possible controller deviation. I have a phone number for you…
You no you safe in these pilots hands
You no human speak.
@@whatever0007 lol
Only "error" I see, is the United pilot stepping on the controllers landing clearance. And then subsequent stepped calls. So a go around caused by impatience and lack of normal phraseology. Like the call "Landing clearance" without a callsign.
It's amazing how many people commenting here: 1. Are actual Air Traffic Controllers 2. Were actually in the tower at the time and 3. Have a full scope of what actually happened. It's amazing really
737 Max, the Grim Reaper Express
Lol.. I’d imagine that issue is long fixed
This aircraft is over 20 years old. It's not a MAX.
Also that issue is long fixed, and the MAX is extremely safe to fly. Quit being a halfwit.
Ok, kid. Now, be quiet....
Yeah, right. Whatever you say...
my brother in christ, thats a 787-800 💀💀💀
Not your fault, departure.
Tower I have a number for you to call let me know when you’re ready to copy