Actually no, they have very different feels. While yes, they last the same actual time, the way you count thoroughly affects your feel and playing - you can test it out now by slowly counting "1, 2, 3" over and aloud, and then counting "1 2 3 4 5 6" in the same amount of time. You'll find that the former (3/4) is much more even and calm, with a big push coming in on each 1. Conversely, the latter 6/8 time has two natural stresses in your voice. These are the 1st and 4th beat - 6/8 has tension and release intrinsically built into it, which is why it's great for passionate and exciting pieces. If you were to conduct the same piece to an orchestra with the two different feels you would notice a difference. As Michelle states, if the tempo is fast enough it's easiest to use a 2/4 conducting pattern instead.
Time stamps, for anyone interested: Conducting in 6/8: 0:38 Conducting in 9/8: 2:30 Conducting in 12:8: 3:10 Conducting in a "fast 3, like a 3/8": 4:12 Outro: 5:20
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Now y'all know how to conduct Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen when your symphony decides to do some secular hymn popular music. Could happen! Manitoba Chamber Orchestra with K.D. Lang was amazing!
I've always just conducted the pulses/ beats in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 , etc. (6/8=2/4, 9/8=3/4, 12/8=4/4). More complex meters would be conducted similarly. I conduct 7/8 similar to 3/4, but the first pulse is longer (1-2-3, 1-2, 1-2).
Thank you for teaching the 6/8 time signature! I was needed to do 6/8 conducting on music class and had now idea of how to do it and I found your video thank you very much!!♡♡
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I am a new music major, I am learning how to conduct to impress my directors. I like the way you conduct but I have a question. So basically the way I’ve seen conductors do it, since there are two major beats in 6/8 they conduct it as a 2/4. This happens for 9/8 and 12/8. 9/8 with 3 major beats so it’s conducted as a 3/4 and 12/8 as a 4/4. Is this something that all directors do or is it just where I am?
Hi! I'm the drum major for my marching band this year and I had just recently gotten the music. Its about 150 BPM. For the first 12 measures, its 12/8, and then it transitions to 4/4. How would I be able to conduct 12/8 that quickly?
It would be useful to include the names and maybe even samples of classical pieces in these meters. There are so many old songs in public domain now. Just a sample would be great! Does the meter change within a song? How would you handle a transition?
I’ve had pieces (pop songs, actually) in 6/8 where the guitar played all the subdivisions and the melody sort of followed a 3/4 pattern so it’s somewhat important to know (but not necessarily in my case).
Now say your conducting a very fast march in 6/8, would you do the subdivisions as well, or some other methods because im trying to figure out how to conduct a song that is 120 BPM.
This was part of my modules and I didn't understand it very well,because it's new and I was studying alone,thank you for sharing this video and teaching the viewers!It really helps (:
Very helpful. After 2 years of no singing and conducting due to covid - I'm singing a memorial concert for a dear friend who was a well known composer and conductor. I'm rusty and his music has stuff you never really see - like 10/8 - I'm guessing it's just another subdivision of the 8th notes - but feeling that rhythm after a 4/4 pattern is awkward.I'm just going to feel it in 2 beat divisions.🤷♀️
Hi I have a question. What if the 6/8 is a fast piece or has a quick beat per second rate? For example, a piece like Brahms Symphony No. 1 Mvmt. One (The fast part not the introduction) Won't it be incredibly hard to move your hands at such a fast pace? It would almost look as if you are flailing your arms incoherently with no sense of beat or rhythm.
What about mentioning the most common way of conducting a relatively usual pace compound time signature which is just conducting the dotted crotchets... so 6/8 will be conducting in 2, 9/8 would be in 3, and 12/8 would be in 4???
Good info, but wouldn't conducting all eighth notes in 6/8 be a bit much? especially in fast pieces like Rondo in Jaeger's Third Suite or Fantasia on the Dargason in Second Suite in F. I've found it easier just to conduct it in 2/4
I have a question about how you did your 6/8 pattern. That pattern is more on a 6/4 side because giving all six beats implies that there are six beats in a measure of 6/8 when there are only two. It’s the same for your 12/8. Giving twelve beats implies that there are twelve beats in each measure when there are only four. It would be quite difficult to maintain giving all six beats in a measure of 6/8 with how fast you would have to conduct.
This video is a few years old so I don't know if this will be useful information at this point, but these conducting patterns are incorrect for most practical purposes. Very rarely will you see anyone at even a moderate tempo conducting all six beats. 6/8 is a duple meter like 2/4, and it can be conducted in two. However, there are slow versions of 6/8 such as "The Flower Duet" from Lakmé where showing all six beats would be more helpful to the orchestra. Simple and compound time all share the same duple, triple, and quadruple principles, and because of that you can conduct 9/8 like 3/4 and 12/8 like 4/4. Take Brandenburg Concerto 6, mvt 3, for example. That is a brisk 12/8, and you certainly wouldn't have time enough to conduct all 12 beats at that tempo. If you even attempted to do so, you would wave your arms at such a speed that you very well may achieve flight.
There's more to the world of music than Western music ... that use all kinds of meters ... maybe they don't use a conductor, but I've just been drumming in 7/4 , 10/4. how about 12/4, 13/4 etc ... there's richness outside of 4/4 ....
In theory yes, but it's actually different. In 6/8 music, there's usually 2 beats that are each like a triplet. If you listen to Grieg's Morning Mood, this is quite evident. If someone would use 6/8 to count in 3, they would just use 3/4.
David Wallace-Philly Boy No you can’t because that would make the accent in strange places. Also, your attitude makes you appear to be extremely arrogant, you should change it.
Yes, but you don't always want to, e.g. if the piece is particularly slow and each beat needs accentuating. This is especially important if the piece you're conducting changes time signature and you need to show the tempo of the new time sig. For example, in the carol A Boy Was Born (Britten), it changes from from 4/4 to 3/2 and back again several times,, and in both time signatures I need to beat crotchets, so I beat in a 6/8 pattern for the 3/2 time making it far easier for the choir to follow.
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6/8 is the same a 3/4, 3 time 2 equals 6 and 4 time 2 equals 8 so,I can use a 3/4 pattern if I wanted to. I'm not wrong,just do the math.
Actually no, they have very different feels. While yes, they last the same actual time, the way you count thoroughly affects your feel and playing - you can test it out now by slowly counting "1, 2, 3" over and aloud, and then counting "1 2 3 4 5 6" in the same amount of time. You'll find that the former (3/4) is much more even and calm, with a big push coming in on each 1. Conversely, the latter 6/8 time has two natural stresses in your voice. These are the 1st and 4th beat - 6/8 has tension and release intrinsically built into it, which is why it's great for passionate and exciting pieces. If you were to conduct the same piece to an orchestra with the two different feels you would notice a difference. As Michelle states, if the tempo is fast enough it's easiest to use a 2/4 conducting pattern instead.
Time stamps, for anyone interested:
Conducting in 6/8: 0:38
Conducting in 9/8: 2:30
Conducting in 12:8: 3:10
Conducting in a "fast 3, like a 3/8": 4:12
Outro: 5:20
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Excellent. I've been a quior director, and had not ever been one. If I had seen this I
would have been a better director faster. Now, someone has asked me to do it again. You're just what I needed. Thanks!
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I don't ever really do this but... I watched the first 2 videos in this series and I forgot to leave a like. So I'm gonna go back and put a thumbs up. This is super awesome, I can't believe I don't have to pay money to learn this. Thank you so much. I love how your intro music is baroque :)
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Now y'all know how to conduct Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen when your symphony decides to do some secular hymn popular music. Could happen! Manitoba Chamber Orchestra with K.D. Lang was amazing!
I've always just conducted the pulses/ beats in 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 , etc. (6/8=2/4, 9/8=3/4, 12/8=4/4). More complex meters would be conducted similarly. I conduct 7/8 similar to 3/4, but the first pulse is longer (1-2-3, 1-2, 1-2).
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Thank you for all the good lessons in conducting. I would love to see how to conduct Hymn 52 " The Day Dawn Is Breaking"
Thank you for teaching the 6/8 time signature!
I was needed to do 6/8 conducting on music class and had now idea of how to do it and I found your video thank you very much!!♡♡
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I am a new music major, I am learning how to conduct to impress my directors. I like the way you conduct but I have a question. So basically the way I’ve seen conductors do it, since there are two major beats in 6/8 they conduct it as a 2/4. This happens for 9/8 and 12/8. 9/8 with 3 major beats so it’s conducted as a 3/4 and 12/8 as a 4/4. Is this something that all directors do or is it just where I am?
Hi! I'm the drum major for my marching band this year and I had just recently gotten the music. Its about 150 BPM. For the first 12 measures, its 12/8, and then it transitions to 4/4. How would I be able to conduct 12/8 that quickly?
Thank you so much! I am aspiring to get my masters in Music Education and this is helping me slowly get back into music and learn conducting!
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It would be useful to include the names and maybe even samples of classical pieces in these meters. There are so many old songs in public domain now. Just a sample would be great! Does the meter change within a song? How would you handle a transition?
Thanks very helpful. Your very smooth,easy and effective conducting.
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When would you ever conduct all those subdivisions and not just conduct the big beats?
+R0bilicious If the piece's tempo is very slow
I’ve had pieces (pop songs, actually) in 6/8 where the guitar played all the subdivisions and the melody sort of followed a 3/4 pattern so it’s somewhat important to know (but not necessarily in my case).
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Now say your conducting a very fast march in 6/8, would you do the subdivisions as well, or some other methods because im trying to figure out how to conduct a song that is 120 BPM.
The conductors I've seen do it tend to just count it like a 2/4 measure in fast songs.
This was part of my modules and I didn't understand it very well,because it's new and I was studying alone,thank you for sharing this video and teaching the viewers!It really helps (:
Also,I am a kid and that's why I found it hard
@@LivvBloss We are so happy it helped you understand. Keep conducting!
was a great video thanks Teton Music!, Can you made a video on how to conduct a hymn no 570 (Not I but Christ)?
Very helpful. After 2 years of no singing and conducting due to covid - I'm singing a memorial concert for a dear friend who was a well known composer and conductor. I'm rusty and his music has stuff you never really see - like 10/8 - I'm guessing it's just another subdivision of the 8th notes - but feeling that rhythm after a 4/4 pattern is awkward.I'm just going to feel it in 2 beat divisions.🤷♀️
2 beat divisions sounds like the best method based on how the measures and beats are divided.
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What would be the best way to conduct transition from 4/4 -> 2/4 -> 3/8 (for 3 measures) -> 5/8 -> back to 4/4?
Hi I have a question. What if the 6/8 is a fast piece or has a quick beat per second rate? For example, a piece like Brahms Symphony No. 1 Mvmt. One (The fast part not the introduction) Won't it be incredibly hard to move your hands at such a fast pace? It would almost look as if you are flailing your arms incoherently with no sense of beat or rhythm.
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What about mentioning the most common way of conducting a relatively usual pace compound time signature which is just conducting the dotted crotchets... so 6/8 will be conducting in 2, 9/8 would be in 3, and 12/8 would be in 4???
Good info, but wouldn't conducting all eighth notes in 6/8 be a bit much? especially in fast pieces like Rondo in Jaeger's Third Suite or Fantasia on the Dargason in Second Suite in F. I've found it easier just to conduct it in 2/4
so its 2 2/4s?
No, it would be just 1 2/4 bar, but you would subdivide.
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I have a question about how you did your 6/8 pattern. That pattern is more on a 6/4 side because giving all six beats implies that there are six beats in a measure of 6/8 when there are only two. It’s the same for your 12/8. Giving twelve beats implies that there are twelve beats in each measure when there are only four. It would be quite difficult to maintain giving all six beats in a measure of 6/8 with how fast you would have to conduct.
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Is there an example of 9/8th and 9/ 12th compositions?
Great suggestion. We will see what we can do to add this to our list.
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And do you do if its fast but not fast enough to conduct like in 2/4 ?
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How about the 9/4,,,like HAVE THINE OWN WAY LORD...hymnal song
Thanks a lot for this knowledge
This video is a few years old so I don't know if this will be useful information at this point, but these conducting patterns are incorrect for most practical purposes. Very rarely will you see anyone at even a moderate tempo conducting all six beats. 6/8 is a duple meter like 2/4, and it can be conducted in two. However, there are slow versions of 6/8 such as "The Flower Duet" from Lakmé where showing all six beats would be more helpful to the orchestra. Simple and compound time all share the same duple, triple, and quadruple principles, and because of that you can conduct 9/8 like 3/4 and 12/8 like 4/4. Take Brandenburg Concerto 6, mvt 3, for example. That is a brisk 12/8, and you certainly wouldn't have time enough to conduct all 12 beats at that tempo. If you even attempted to do so, you would wave your arms at such a speed that you very well may achieve flight.
There's more to the world of music than Western music ... that use all kinds of meters ... maybe they don't use a conductor, but I've just been drumming in 7/4 , 10/4. how about 12/4, 13/4 etc ... there's richness outside of 4/4 ....
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I thought we can also conduct 6/8 like we conduct 3/4 ? Sorry if I'm wrong
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couldn't you just do 6/8 in 2? like conduct in 2 with triplets
Yes much easier than pulsing all 6 beats.
Was hoping to see 5/4 shown
Great suggestion. We'll see if we can add a video on 5/4
If 6/8 is fast your method will to work.
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Actually, the way you did 6/8 would be the way you do 6/4. You would have to do that pattern really fast to be able to do that
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Thanks. I just thought it would be some constructive criticism that I thought that would be nice. Great video over all though :D
6/8 is the same a 3/4, 3 time 2 equals 6 and 4 time 2 equals 8 so,I can use a 3/4 pattern if I wanted to. I'm not wrong,just do the math.
In theory yes, but it's actually different. In 6/8 music, there's usually 2 beats that are each like a triplet. If you listen to Grieg's Morning Mood, this is quite evident. If someone would use 6/8 to count in 3, they would just use 3/4.
David Wallace-Philly Boy No you can’t because that would make the accent in strange places. Also, your attitude makes you appear to be extremely arrogant, you should change it.
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Couldn't you just do 2/4 for 6/8, 3/4 for 9/8, & 4/4 for 12/8?????
Yes, but you don't always want to, e.g. if the piece is particularly slow and each beat needs accentuating. This is especially important if the piece you're conducting changes time signature and you need to show the tempo of the new time sig. For example, in the carol A Boy Was Born (Britten), it changes from from 4/4 to 3/2 and back again several times,, and in both time signatures I need to beat crotchets, so I beat in a 6/8 pattern for the 3/2 time making it far easier for the choir to follow.
I would think that would work - I have a piece in 10/8. what do you suggest for that?
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"The Spark" from "The Last Jedi" has a great, intensely beautiful 12/8 section toward the end.
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6/8 is the same a 3/4, 3 time 2 equals 6 and 4 time 2 equals 8 so,I can use a 3/4 pattern if I wanted to. I'm not wrong,just do the math.
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can i count like 1-2-3 1-2-3 to 6/8 ??
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