*I've added timestamps in the description, as well as below. Hit Show More to see them.* I'm hoping these can help you find what you need easier, in case you refer back to this video. Each timestamp in the stabbing section refers to a scenario. Click the one that matches the current state of your Lich. For those that ask why I put Oull first. It's because a successful stab on your Sister spawns another dog. If you don't use Oull in first slot. You are probably going to fail your first stab a lot, despite still taking same tries to finish. *This means you will be missing out on otherwise-guaranteed bonus murmurs from using Oull in slot 1.* As an extra step, you can choose not use Oull once you figured out the sequence. But this may take you 1-2 additional stabs, and can result in a level 5 Lich. Keep this in mind. 0:00 Overview 0:51 How to Use Oull & Important Tips 2:30 Don't Stab your Level 1 Lich Immediately! 3:14 What to do with your Requiem Unveil 4:17 After 1st Stab - Middle Requiem Correct Position 5:27 After 1st Stab - Middle Requiem Wrong Position 6:19 Outcomes of 2nd Stab if 1st Stab Middle Requiem Wrong Position 6:41 After 2nd Stab - Middle Requiem Still Wrong 7:13 After 2nd Stab - Middle Requiem Correct, Last Requiem Slot Incorrect 7:46 TL;DW1 Tips 8:36 TL;DW2 How to Use Oull 9:48 Summary & Conclusion
Thx so much for the guide, I had amazing luck, I used oull first, but my sister did not spawn at all since i got her for more then 6 missions because all the other player's sisters were spawning, so i got my second req with my lich at lvl 1 still, The first stab was right cuz oull, the second one was also right , and the last one too So i was just fighting a lvl 1 lich in the end, it was amazing The other players in chat were just writing "how?" Can t belive my luck.
Yes, so many people make such a fuss about stabbing etc, and what not, I find it super ironic they ignore the dog that spawns with her. Because it immediately despawns if you fail a stab also.
People are hard to control. They tend to keep stabbing their sister and the dog just disappear. If it was my sister, I'd try to stab the dog first. ^Ok, that sounds so wrong...
Usually, if me or my friend ever got into a Lvl 4-5 Lich, I usually use Banshee's Sonar 2 or 3 times to put multiple weak points and shoot it there. it really helps
Its always funny hearing how players create specific builds and think of tactics to deal with liches and sisters. I just put on Ivara, go invisible and melee till they die. They don't move, they don't fight back, which makes it of no importance what level the lich or sister is.
If only oull farming was reliable... I have unconsciously gone into savings mode and not using the rare resource just in case I need it in my afterlife
The typical gamer decision to hoard valuable resources in case there is a use for it later on and not needed direly yet now. XD I'm guilty of that myself sometimes.
I don't use and want to preserve Oull for same reason, also I don't see any issue with killing lvl 5 lich. With Gloom in kit they also look like baby mobs.
@@akarshjv6999 It is not and is at the same time, I mean that I don't kill lvl 5 lich much slower than lvl 1 lich. For me it faster to stab and go, swap parazon mods and go again.
Play in full Squad , only use oull to find the order The time that takes to your sister to spawn multiple Times is enough to find right order and all 3 mods Work for me multi time My oull continue full
Well this is awkward, that auto-publish and it is still 360p. Should fix itself in half an hour or so. Edit: I have no idea what is going on and it's still stuck at 360p. Something is borked, hopefully it fixes eventually. Can't do anything else sorry :( Edit2: After 5 hours, it's finally 1440p. Nice one YT
This is a great tutorial... For Sisters. For Liches it goes quite different since you need a couple dozen thralls and have no hounds. So it feels weird that the sisters are being called Lich throughout the video.
I once used this method, putting the first two requiem in order with an Oull as my third and I got my 5th lich on the first try. I was with my friend when he killed his lich he told me to try it and HE got it the first try as well and we were both laughing. 😆
Hi there, this is Aerisuna from last night! Recognizing you made my night, and now this video just made my morning. Thank you for your content, this was exactly the thing I was looking to confirm! ^~^
Yep, hahaha thanks! I missed covering how one hound spawns per HP bar, which is why I put Oull in first slot. But besides that, this is about what I was trying to do XD Was nice meeting you :)
if everyone starts doing this we're gonna have runs where u get no murmurs. my lich never gets to four. I've noticed people ignoring their liches altogether and don't knock them down. i use a booster, so id get the first one revealed and put it in first place with oull second. if it's correct I get two stabs .when the second gets revealed I put it in last place , if its correct fight is done, without even revealing the final one. if it's wrong wait for the last one and use that fight done. if the first one was incorrect u just move oull to first place and place the first revealed into the second place. so far this has worked perfectly. I've even sent a lvl 1 lich to Neptune with some luck. i have maybe 6 oull mods they usually drop on the last stab.this is simpler and gets you to attack you lich every time instead of being a murmur free loader.
Each mission spawns 4 dogs if you wait for them. The first ring takes 8 murmurs to fill. A dog is worth 1 murmur. A lich stab is worth 3 murmurs. Each Lich spawns with 1 extra dog, and another will spawn if you successfully guess the stab. So at minimum, a Lich spawning is +4 murmurs, on top of a mission giving +4 murmurs. This means at worst, the first ring takes 2 missions to complete. If a Lich spawns in your first misison and someone stabs, your ring is filled by extract already. Why does this matter? Because you are probably the only person in that lobby with a 0% Indifferent Lich. The game only matchmakes lich level, not anger meter. This means the odds of someone being able to stab their lich in a 4-man lobby for L1 liches is extremely high. Their lich has priority because it has higher anger meter, and this also means they have their requiem unveiled because well...that's exactly why their anger meter is high. The odds of your Lich spawning when your meter is 0% is extremely low. The scenario of skipping your first stab is more of a "what if this happens" rather than a, "make sure you do this all the time when you load in". Also. it isn't parasitic, because the gain to you is equal. If someone stabs, you instantly have enough to stab the next mission. They are passing the torch to you, and you are passing the torch down to the next person. It just makes sense. Or are you really going to get that fussy over one random person every once in a while not stabbing their lich and costing you one extra run of a 3 minute mission, when Corpus Liches take on average 45 minutes to do to start with. You know there are people that genuinely can't kill L5 liches, right? Not everyone is the same as us. The video is aimed at all the people that have been asking how to deal with a L5 lich, and also farm fast, and how to use Oull properly. If you are stab-friendly and don't care about the level of the Lich, then obviously this video won't help too much. This is a video on how to match the meta stab strats in speed, while never risking a L5 lich, and genuinely never a L4 lich either. If you blindly stab every time you can, you have a very realistic chance of getting a L4 lich. Stabbing a lich without knowing the requiem is always a +1 lich level that could be avoided if you so choose. Not stabbing will always result in the lich being 1 level lower than the strat you use, and for some people, that's what they asked for. Me personally? I stab always, because I don't care about Lich levels.
Remember people use banshee/cedo combo if the Lich gets to lv4 or 5, you can literally oneshot a level 5 from full health with just 2-3 sonar casts and an alt fire from the cedo
This was moreso aimed directly at the people who have actually been having problems with L5 liches and asking about how to deal with them. Where technically the easiest way is just to avoid them if they're actually causing problems, since that's the easiest way to do it. Banshee I'd expect them moreso to have, but otherwise that means they have to craft here so :shrug: Cedo though, a lot of people don't have because it's locked behind Deimos, and a ton of people hate Deimos. Me personally? I just stab regardless and don't really care. This isn't really a reflection of how I do my liches, but moreso an answer to what I've had people ask for.
This is an awesome strategy, I was planning to just use oull for unknown final stab, but now I will incorporate it into my guessing. I might as well spend the rare resource to save time now instead of never using it later.
Yep, we burn them at a rate of 1 per 3 liches. But we get one on average per 4 liches. And also 1/6 liches we take long enough we unveiled all 3 requiems and also know the right spots, so no point in using Oull. So for every 12 liches, we get 9 more Oull charges, and burn 10 charges At the most I'd say get one or two spare max Oulls, after that you should basically never run out.
I decided to do something similar to this yesterday after realising that I was getting Oul mods in faster than I'd ever use them up. Purely by chance my random third mod happened to be correct, and the lich went into the final boss after just three missions and one (extremely brief) encounter, without levelling even once.
I only ever use OULL when I try for kuva liches since they are way less common to get anyone in your squad and take longer to get all requiems revealed and are harder to defeat
This is true. I am hoping to not have to deal with too many Kuva Liches to get what I want. The drop rate is 25% though, RNG can trend either way. But it should even out in the long run for being able to use Oull for 3/4 liches, and needing to manually finish the stab without Oull on 1/4 of them.
I also once unveiled the 3rd one when I knew where the other 2 need to go so I saved one Oull dot. This run started by unveiling 1st mod in first mission
This is exactly what I mean by people overblowing the skipping Lich stab stance I have. The odds of you unveiling a mod in the 1st mission is actually quite realistic. And you are guaranteed to unveil your first requiem after the 2nd mission. The odds of your own Lich spawning in the first mission is almost impossible. And the odds of your Lich spawning in the 2nd mission is still low. The odds of your entire team all having Indifferent 0% Liches just like you and unwilling to stab their Lich? Also extremely low. The lobby is typically randomized anger meters, meaning it is highly likely someone is ready to stab their Lich when it spawns, because they've unveiled their requiem, and because they unveiled it, naturally that comes with a higher anger meter than you. This means there is a realistic chance someone else's Lich will spawn in your first mission, which is what lets you instantly unveil your first requiem after.
The flux rifle is sooo good, I liked the original but the crit was so low and the charge was slow af. The tenet one is just so satisfying to use with the slash, I feel pretty good about this update. Also nice big brain strats for quick liches
@@Aznvasions its become my go to for steel path missions now, especially with the primary merciless the damage is so crazy takes like 10 bullets to kill a level 180 with all buffs active
It does not matter at all which slot you put oull in. If you get a freebie in slot 1 and guess slot 2, it's exactly the same outcome as guessing slot 1 and getting a freebie in slot 2. You can even put in slot 3. It literally makes no difference at all.
I got 3 lich weapons 2 kuva 1 corpus … I wish I would of known this tactic ahead of time . I got my lich to level 5 the first time because I had no clue what I was doing. Stabbed him twice with no mods equipped 😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️ the other two both level 3 but I didn’t put the oull in slot one I just got lucky 🍀 n the estimated guesses. With this info I feel like I’ll get level 3 every time now. I’m not a veteran player either so level 5 I could not kill solo my friend that’s a OG player melted him like butter left out the fridge on a hot summer day ! Warframe goals ! ! lol one day I’ll be OP too even though it’s been out 9 yrs it’s kinda new to me still 🤷🏽♂️
Omg. This helped a lot. I was so confused on how to use the requiem mods for the parazon. Now I can actually try to kill the first lich I got and have had for months now
Apologies if this has been mentioned but a solid tactic is to farm murmur on sombody elses Lich planet. Your Lich doesnt spawn so no worries about leveling it up. When I went back to my lich who was still on earth I had already discovered 2/3 req's so managed to kill him using an OULL while still level 1 on Earth.
The thing is this requires you to squad up and find people. Otherwise, it's generally not possible to pub into a lich mission on a planet you aren't on. But that's a solid tip that can work out too. Though generally at that point I imagine the people you lobby with could just grind them all out the same way and just help you kill whatever level the lich ends up.
In case anyone is interested, this method gives you the following odds of finishing your lich at each level: Level 1: 1/21 Level 2: 1/3 Level 3: 19/42 Level 4: 1/6
Yea, and this is exactly why I end up making these lol. And the other regular runner people have surprised pikachu face on why I bothered to do it since "everyone knows"
Thanks for the info! I needed to find a fast (or faster) way of taking care of my sisters / liches. They used to take a full day for me, and by Pluto they would be figured out entirely lol it bored me pretty quick
XD Katherine-01 through Katherine-09 have assembled and are ready for battle 😂 Most people can’t even pin where it’s from, since we usually just burst down the phase 2 Andrius and it takes so long for the music to drop after the phase 2 intro
@@635574 It is pain, I agree. I was doing a Shildeg to finish off when the update dropped, that was still a slog and I thought the system didn't change for Kuva Liches at first lol.
if you do get unlucky and get the level 4 scenario, good news is that by then you'll probably discover the 3rd requiem mod and you won't have to use your oull, it's happened to me twice in a row :D (lucky and unlucky me!)
I took this a step further in the scenario where you got the middle position correct on your first try. Stop going for the 3rd and just let the sister back out. Once the second is revealed switch oull to the third slot and put your second unveiled requiem in the first, now once you stab and you get it correct stop stabbing and let the sister flee now just keep murmur farming until you reveal the 3rd requiem and replace oull. This way you save charges on the valuable oull mod all while keeping your sister at lvl 1. If on the second stab the second requiem was wrong we now know that it really is suppose to be in the last slot and the third requiem should be in the first now just continue murmur farming in Phobos until you unlock the 3rd and replace oull with that requiem. This strategy is to prevent oull charges from being used at the cost of time revealing your third requiem
That's perfect! I actually didn't think of that cuz I actually thought of it in reverse at how Oull's are replenished. I basically just saw it as 25% to get Oull drop on successful triple stab Oull lasts 3 liches, so on average you have oull for 3/4 liches. 1/6 liches takes 4 stabs, and typically unveils the 3rd requiem and you also know where each one needs to go, so you can remove Oull. so 4.5/6 liches you will have Oull available, and 1/6 you don't need it. Thus you will only be missing Oull 0.5/6 of the time. This means you should be replenishing Oull nearly as fast as you use it, or that for every 11 Oulls you own, you will burn 12 Oulls instead.
Omg this video is gold. I had no idea Oull was a wild card!! Came here after miserably failing against lvl 5 sister lich. She ripped apart my whole squad.
Looking at the thumbnail/description: No it is not impossible for a lich to always be killed in 3 attempts or less. It is also possible for it to take four attempts but the chance is slim (16% chance to occur) Level 1: Fail first stab 1/3 Levl 2: Fail Second stab 50/50 (Oull-known requiem) Level 3: Fail Third 50/50 stab Level 4: All known requiems. Unless you exploit and manage to get an additional stab in you aren't supposed to or attempt that doesn't level up the lich there is always the chance you get a level four lich.
YO dont mean to brag but THANKS to THIS GUY RIGHT HERE, i got my second lich in just ONE STAB. Ill be the "LOVE THIS" button im sure im not the only one just follow steps and boom
6:42 wouldn't it be better if you slot Vome in the first slot after the second slot failed? Either it fits and you will get a lvl 1 lich or it is wrong and then you always know *guaranteed* the position of the 3rd mod - in this case its Vome - instead of failing one extra time with ris - if ris is wrong on the second slot. Then your lich is lvl 2 and you put Vome in the 3rd, Oull in the first and ris in the second slot. If it fits, your lich is lvl 2 and you can finish it. There is only a 50/50 chance to fail here so If its wrong, you will switch Oull and Ris around and your lich is max lvl 3. Guaranteed, *always.* One thing to mention: If you do kuva liches, you will get kuva per stab. Always stab them atleast once when they appear to get some free kuva with Oull or the first slot mod when it fails on the second slot. That way you will only once not get kuva from stabs. Every other stab will give you free kuva and it gets more the higher their level go and the more stabs you do. Short version: Before first stab and if you know two of the mods + oull: attempt 1: First mod fails. attempt 2: First mod fails attempt 3: First mod succeeds. no matter what at the 3rd attempt you should have a 50/50 chance of getting it right. attempt 4: you should have it by now. Your lich will be level 2 if the third attempt was correct and level 3 if it was wrong.
This is great, I got super fuckin lucky on my first couple. I didn't know much of what I was doing and waited until discovering all three mods before trying a combo of them, I got help from Region chat and he helped me get past some bs interception missions and I shit u not, I stuck all three discovered mods on my parazon for an encounter and I guessed the order of all three correctly. We both were speechless. I then went on to do a lich on my own and did it again, but broke the cycle on my third lol
@AznvasionsPlays Yeah it's actually pretty fun now that I know what I'm doing, got a lich rj crewmate, nice % k grattler, a meh k hek, currently working toward a nice % k Chakkur.
Don't play public if you don't want to stab your lich. Benefiting from the murmurs that you get from other people stabbing their liches while not returning the same favor by not stabbing your lich is called leeching
It's because a successful stab on your Sister spawns another dog. If you don't use Oull in first slot. You are probably going to fail your first stab a lot, despite still taking same tries to finish. This means you will be missing out on otherwise-guaranteed bonus murmurs from using Oull in slot 1.
I completely understand the whole science of the video and thank you for your help buddy (but I prefer to just fight my lvl 5 lich because I'm bored 😆) I just want one more thing to know... How can you get the OULL requiem mod?
It's a 1/4 drop chance from successfully guessing the triple stab. 1/6 times you will unveil all the mods before you manage to succeed, so you get them nearly as fast as you would realistically use them. If you even hold on to them a little bit, you'll get them faster than you can use them.
7:05 this means at worst scenario the lich will be level 4. I agree. However your description says "you won't have to see Level 4..." - so that is incorrect because the lich could be level 4.
Hey man, thanks for the video! I wrote this guide with additional mathematically/programmatical steps after watching this. Not sure if it helps? SoP hunting Always play co-op Always stab the dogs first Only stab each time after you learn a new requiem Requiem key O = Oull K = Known U = Unknown Results key / = Correct Requiem X = Incorrect Requiem ? = Unknown Requiem S1 = Scenario 1 S2 = Scenario 2 S2A = Scenario 2A S2B = Scenario 2B Pre stab starting setup just incase you accidently stab your lich (don't do this!) O+U0+U1 Stab once K1 identified O+K1+U1 = /// Dead lich lucky you! L1 Lich!!! O+K1+U1 = //X (S1) O+K1+U1 = /X? (S2) Stab once K2 identified If S1 AND K2 = U1 then (very rare scenario) K2+K1+O = /// Dead lich lucky you! L2 Lich!! If S1 AND K2 /= U1 then K2+K1+O = /// or O+K1+K2 = /// Dead lich IF S2 then K1 is 1 or 3 position so O+K2+K1 = /X? (S2A) O+K2+K1 = //X (S2B) O+K2+K1 = /// Dead lich lucky you If S2A Then O = second spot then K2+O+K1 = /// or K1+O+K2 = /// Dead lich If S2B Then K1+K2+O = /// Dead lich
If I saw this 1 week earlier - I would be really, really grateful for it. But now when I remembered Ash's shuriken augment mod exists, even rank 5 liches and sisters are not a big deal lol
Their main issue is actually their innate DR, the armor is a very tiny part of it. That said, Ash is almost impossible for people to get these days if they don't already own him. Especially newer players, because he is locked behind RJ Corpus Defense. The average time to get Ash is 36h atm, ever since they moved his parts. Nyx and Banshee is a thing, but I doubt most players, and especially new players, own or have one of them built up, because they just aren't relevant in the current gameplay DE has kept pushing in the past 2 years.
@@Aznvasions idk, I just have Ash Prime, don't remember even where and when did I get him. And he really helps a lot. I don't know how, but he makes damage on those bosses much, MUCH better.
This mostly works when you play on PC or premade squads. Playing on switch on public I'm often alone in the squad or with only one other person. With that few people you naturally get less murmur progress so it happens all the time that my sister spawns before i actually know a new requiem mod to try out, both at first and second ring.. Thankfully i'm capable of handling a level 5 sister so i just stab away anyway, sometimes you do get lucky and rage meter fills up rather fast for sisters anyway it seems.
The first ring is supposed to fill up in 2 mission no matter what, as it only requires 8 dogs. And typically up to 4 can spawn per mission if you wait around long enough. If someone spawns a Lich and stabs, that lich is an instant +3, and the Lich always has a personal dog for another +1. So someone stabbing a Lich will instantly fill your first ring from 0-100% in the first mission.
@@Aznvasions What kind of missions are you recommending to do first? I typically start with survivals -> exterminates/captures -> anything, although anything rarely happens, with sisters at least, because you rank them up before it comes to that. On captures I often only encounter 2 dogs, sometimes even just 1. Probably doing it too fast... I did 13 sisters since the update and don't think i filled my meter a single time in the first mission only. But that is probably a nintendo switch problem. Public is just too empty. I don't even know if I ever had a full squad doing these 13 sisters ever, except for the final railjack battle.. it feels like 50% alone 40% duo 10% trio in normal sister missions or sth lol
I do put survivals and exterms in pretty much the same category, and then captures. Captures aren't the best for dogs and rushing can screw the spawn. Sabotages are in somewhat a similar category. After that, if my Lich still didn't spawn, I'll take a mobile defense, because it's barely longer than a survival (is longer though), but I feel like I actually am doing something and can still traverse the map. I don't touch defense or excavation or disruption personally.
Even if you don’t kill you can wait 1 mission and their rage meter will be filled still, meaning they will probably just spawn again next mission. Stabbing at random is never the move
If u just run missions like normal and stab every time it def is faster. Worse case scenario it takes a couple extra missions and will know all requiems along w/positions if them and you can unslot oull and save a charge. Level 5 liches really arent bad and even if they are giving you trouble they are a cake walk in squads. Nezhas a beast against liches even w/out helminth. Hes very survivable and his chakrahm makes them extremely vulnerable to all damage. I didnt even use my necromech last nite. I just used nezha cause he was simply doing more dmg. And my mech is def no slouch. Its able to nuke everything. Mechs just seem to be lacking against sisters. If u do have helminth both roar and airburst are amazing choices. I just replace his 1. W/the airburst rounds aug you do 25%+extra dmg w/2ndarys per enemy hit(200% str gives u 50% per enemy & is bonkers with a good 2ndary like sporelacer or gaze)+its amazing cc. It really is godtier. I made a clip using zephyr w/that aug w/just 115%str and shadow stalker spawned in SP defense. 2 taps brought him down to 15% life. I was flabberghasted. Last nite i was using roar tho. Roar+chakrahm+spore=1 hit per health bar on level 5 lich(its actually overkill on them).
The stab every time strat typically ends up being at most 3 murmurs ahead, so basically 3-4 minutes faster overall. There are people running liches that don't have Helminth and don't own Cedo. This one was moreso directed at the people that kept asking about L5 liches, which at that point, it's faster to just avoid them if you're having problems with them.
@@Aznvasions i dont use the cedo for liches. i uses zaws and kitguns and you dont necessarily need helminth. Im just trying to tell the peops struggling w/ level 5 liches that nezha is their answer. The helminth thing i was basically saying how far you can take nezhas power if you so choose and have the helminth. Even w/out it tho nezhas a beast against liches. And w/this method you potentially save oull charges.
This is exactly what i do. But the only difference is that i wait until i open my second requiem. Because if the first second and third spot is correct I dont want to do another 4 missions because i couldnt wait to do one mission to open my second requiem. Better that i dont guess.
@@Aznvasions I didn't not know about oull or have a strategy to figure out combo. Getting it on 1st was luck but with some very good practice. I've done 2 more and both were lvl 2. Much faster and easier then the 4 and 5s I had been doing before the video
The process is the same when guessing the slot 1 instead of slot 2, for solo, oull is useful as u can wait for the sister to spawn hound after successful stab but in pub, the sister dont even have the time to spawn the hound cause everyone will down it as fast as they can. Nevertheless, its a great video for those who are newbie at it 👍
The reason you put Oull in slot 1 vs other slots is each successful stab against the Lich makes another personal murmur dog spawn. You won't get these extra dog spawns if you fail the first stab. If you don't actually care about whether you get the extra dog spawn or not, then it doesn't matter if Oull is 1, 2 or 3. You can always force this by just being the first to handle the Lich. Pubs are not particularly fast at actually choosing to fight the Lich the majority of the time and you can cherry pick the fights. It only takes a few seconds for the next hound of the sister to spawn, and usually if you leave the pub alone, it will still take them at least 5 seconds to go through even the next phase of a L1 lich. That's more than enough time for it to spawn. Typically if it doesn't spawn it's because we went ourselves out of our way to DPS the Lich again first. Pubs really aren't good for taking out Liches themselves, and 9/10 times are just there as meatshield fodder. The general playerbase just isn't well-equipped enough majority of the time, or just don't pay enough attention to Lich spawns in general.
@@Aznvasions idk where u server region u play on, cause in asia server, almost every mission i go, the chinese rekt the sister so hard, that i got a bug where i press x once on the first slice, it continued on its own on the second slice and Thats where oull is useful against this bug 🤣
I use this strategy and still get unlucky because one of the requiems (most of the time the 2nd one) always ends up being first where the OULL is. So I move it, and then another requiem ends up being where I moved the OULL to. Results in my lich leveling up to 3-4 (more 4 than 3) minimum every time. How y’all be getting liches in 1-2 is beyond me
1 is super rare. 2/6 liches will finish on 2, 2/6 will be 3. RNG is still a thing and single players typically represent a small sample size. Even say, 100 liches isn’t really representative of average odds yet
There's something i don't get. It doesn't make any difference wheter Oull is first of last. Never stab lich before knowing any requiem is a must as always. Your method of putting Oull first would work only if putting it first on parazon forces the revealed requiem to be one of the remaining two, but since it doesn't work like that, the odds are the same wheter you put it first, second or last place. The amount of information you get stays the same and there's no advantage from putting Oull first. Moreover, i'd say it's best to fail as soon as possible the first slot. Worst case scenario in both cases is 4 stabs. Suppose you know two relics (vome, riss) and go Oull - Vome - Riss. Fail second. Try Oull - Riss - Vome. You can still fail, because either Riss or Vome could be first. Try a third time, Vome - Oull - Riss (Oull must be in the middle since you tried both requiems there already). There's still a chance you fail, since Riss could be first. Then you have to try a last time with Riss - Oull - Vome and that's a guaranteed kill. The tree of chances is the same with Oull in any slot. What am i missing?
I mean, i think it's easier to go with guesses on the first slot without factoring oull at all, if not at the end. I know Vome. Stab with vome on first slot. If i succeed, good. I stop there, wait for second requiem (Riss), and try it on slot 2. If it fails, it's 2 stabs since i know Oull has to stay in the middle now. If i fail Vome first slot, i wait for second requiem (Riss). Now i try Riss first slot. If i Fail, i know i have to go with Oull - Riss - Vome or Oull - Vome - Riss. now i have a 50/50 and failing it is the worst case scenario. It's the same exact thing, except it's a bit more straightforward.
The reason is because successful lich stabs spawn another personal dog. If you are guessing the first requiem and not getting it always right, you are throwing away otherwise guaranteed bonus murmurs. Also, always stab the personal dog before stabbing the lich. It instantly despawns if you fail stab the lich
normally this works. i tried to do it today, and my entire game glitched, and now it shows there is no correct combination for my lich, even though i have all the mods uncovered. ive tried every combination i can, with and without oull and nothing is working
I did about 9 sisters until now. IMO Oull needs to have another little advantage to really make it worth it. Almost every time I had all Requiem unveiled before I knew the sequence. Sure like in the video you could have luck and kill your lich in 2-3 stabs thx to Oull but I ran into the scenario where you have it absolutely all wrong with it, making it useless as if it where like the other mods. Idk maybe make it a 1 charge use but a mod slot becomes a known and well placed requiem.
I'm not exactly sure what they could do, as currently you normally want to pace the requiem unveils if possible with the natural encounter rate of your lich. That's how you get them done consistently in
i learned a lot about mods order or sequence what i can say is never stab your lich or sisters until you unlocked all 3 mods then you try to stab it most cases i killed sister in just rank 1 and yea forgot to mention here i farm daily 5 sister in warframe now no weapon left
dont worry bout the lv5 lichs, jsut use laeton and you wil onehit them anyways. and in the end jsut a casual lavos railjack oneshot and youre good, that way yu give the team more murmurs
I used this trick by accident with my first Sister and was mind blown when I killed her at rank 2. I thought it was a fluke though, so I’m glad to be wrong.
I am feeling stupid when I keep placing Oull at the 2nd like if I can be a 2 headed coined smart-ass or something. Thanks for the video, this will help me.
We just did this a few days ago and the liches no longer spawn a dog every stab, at least they werent for our group. The first stab would spawn a dog then no others would spawn. I thought it felt different at the time and after watching this video, clearly when you made this it was a dog every health segment of the lich. I wonder if they adjusted it because it felt too fast compared to the kuva's
Yea it might've been. I honestly didn't know about the change as I no longer farm sisters since I finished all of them. But that's unfortunate to hear.
If you guys get a level 4 lich above use the monke trust me you won't die if you're smart and you won't trigger the survival techniques if you play it well let the clone soak it up
F in the chat, but that's how it's 5/6 odds to get it in 3 stabs or less (1 in 1 stab, 2 in 2 stabs, 2 in 3 stabs), and only 1/6 of the time it's 4 stabs.
Lol just before watching I used the oull mod to its fullest and I guessed the second and third mods with correct order and it happed twice. Really it's more beneficial to deduct and by that time u can also know what the first mod is if it's revealed at the earliest.
Guessing the 2nd and third mods when you're still revealing the first isn't deduction. That is literally 100% luck, because you have nothing to go off of. You can't "deduct" without either stabbing the Lich, or unveiling requiem mods. And you said you did neither.
I imagine GAZ would go mental watching your video given how he reacts on his stream to people not stabbing their lich/sister when they appear xD like "oh no my lich spawned, i'm mr30 but can't handle a level 5 lich reeee, better let it run and screw myself and everyone else in the squad", even made fun of "dumb" content creators making videos about not stabbing :P He has a tendency to overreact sometimes (funny tbh), but I somewhat unterstand it there. I get heavily annoyed at people not stabbing too. As you said "there will be others stabbing their liches which is free murmur", but on the other hand you're recommending to not stab yours every time denying them the free murmur if it happens. (And it does happen, encountered multiple people not stabbing last couple days myself..) It's even worse if they not even down it 3 times for it to go away immediately if they're not intending to stab it. This always creates a kind of awkard situation in which one doesn't really know what to do with the lich of others because you don't know their intentions.. And if their lich is around for no reason other liches can't spawn in.. Guess from now on i might end up just starting to immediately down it for them 3 times, if they want to stab they can do it, they have 3 opportunities, if they don't do it they probably didn't want to... (ofc only for sisters, for kuva liches only if there are no enemies around to enthrall anyway..)
I do usually immediately shoot down every Lich I see, and if they don't stab it in those 3 downs, well :shrug: I hope that was their intent. A lich that sticks around longer wastes about 1 minute. The thing is it only takes one stab from someone else for you to be able to stab, so it passes on 1:1 ratio for the torch this way. Actually, from the squad perspective, one person stabbing makes the entire squad able to stab. Which the next time you load in, you will stab when your lich spawns, which allows someone else to stab, and so on, and so on, etc. I don't consider it parasitic, because the frequency of someone not stabbing is heavily overshadowed by people actually stabbing, and ends up being a 5-10% total increase in Liching for the full run if you run into that. Whereas there are actual players that have problems dealing with L4, and particularly L5 liches, which is what this video is specifically created to avoid. Of course, personally, I don't care about the Lich level and I just stab freely. Honestly the reason why it even took me this long to make this vid is because it isn't even what I used to start with and had to think how to reliably avoid Liches above L3.
maybe....they aren't exactly that hard to replenish, some people just got bad RNG I guess. It only trends slightly negative, with each Oull giving 3 stabs, but Oull having only 25% drop chance from a final sequence.
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*I've added timestamps in the description, as well as below. Hit Show More to see them.*
I'm hoping these can help you find what you need easier, in case you refer back to this video.
Each timestamp in the stabbing section refers to a scenario.
Click the one that matches the current state of your Lich.
For those that ask why I put Oull first. It's because a successful stab on your Sister spawns another dog.
If you don't use Oull in first slot. You are probably going to fail your first stab a lot, despite still taking same tries to finish.
*This means you will be missing out on otherwise-guaranteed bonus murmurs from using Oull in slot 1.*
As an extra step, you can choose not use Oull once you figured out the sequence.
But this may take you 1-2 additional stabs, and can result in a level 5 Lich. Keep this in mind.
0:00 Overview
0:51 How to Use Oull & Important Tips
2:30 Don't Stab your Level 1 Lich Immediately!
3:14 What to do with your Requiem Unveil
4:17 After 1st Stab - Middle Requiem Correct Position
5:27 After 1st Stab - Middle Requiem Wrong Position
6:19 Outcomes of 2nd Stab if 1st Stab Middle Requiem Wrong Position
6:41 After 2nd Stab - Middle Requiem Still Wrong
7:13 After 2nd Stab - Middle Requiem Correct, Last Requiem Slot Incorrect
7:46 TL;DW1 Tips
8:36 TL;DW2 How to Use Oull
9:48 Summary & Conclusion
Always found your videos really helpful, thanks!
No problem, cheers :)
you forgot to pin this :P
@@tama4209 was actually pinned at some point. API kind of messed up. Always have to check later on to see if it actually pinned.
Thx so much for the guide,
I had amazing luck,
I used oull first, but my sister did not spawn at all since i got her for more then 6 missions because all the other player's sisters were spawning, so i got my second req with my lich at lvl 1 still,
The first stab was right cuz oull, the second one was also right , and the last one too
So i was just fighting a lvl 1 lich in the end, it was amazing
The other players in chat were just writing "how?"
Can t belive my luck.
Once I killed a lich at level one and I've never felt so accomplished lol
Can bet that guess was extremely satisfying :P
Did that with my second lich, fucking satisfying.
I've have multiple rank 1 liches
I managed that once
I recently did that with rad grattler killed in earth lucky
Remember people
DONT RUSH THE SISTER FIGHT
wait untill her dog spawn
She spawns 1 every health bar
Yes, so many people make such a fuss about stabbing etc, and what not,
I find it super ironic they ignore the dog that spawns with her.
Because it immediately despawns if you fail a stab also.
People are hard to control. They tend to keep stabbing their sister and the dog just disappear.
If it was my sister, I'd try to stab the dog first.
^Ok, that sounds so wrong...
@@VitchAndVorty Someones added themselves to an FBI watch list... XD
@@stingray4567 My FBI agent knows I'm lonely.
Checking in to see if this guy got recruited to the ATF
Usually, if me or my friend ever got into a Lvl 4-5 Lich, I usually use Banshee's Sonar 2 or 3 times to put multiple weak points and shoot it there. it really helps
Its always funny hearing how players create specific builds and think of tactics to deal with liches and sisters. I just put on Ivara, go invisible and melee till they die. They don't move, they don't fight back, which makes it of no importance what level the lich or sister is.
@@davedelorean2383 nah, if me, i only did it so it will be a fast kill, like 2 second or so
@@davedelorean2383 finds it funny people make tactics /builds to deal with liches. Proceeds to share his own.
His point is his is so busted and straightforward he finds it crazy others struggle so much to need to make specific builds
If only oull farming was reliable... I have unconsciously gone into savings mode and not using the rare resource just in case I need it in my afterlife
The typical gamer decision to hoard valuable resources in case there is a use for it later on and not needed direly yet now. XD
I'm guilty of that myself sometimes.
I don't use and want to preserve Oull for same reason, also I don't see any issue with killing lvl 5 lich. With Gloom in kit they also look like baby mobs.
@@XCanG it's not about the challenge to kill the level 5 lich. The point it to kill the lich in as less turns as possible
@@akarshjv6999 It is not and is at the same time, I mean that I don't kill lvl 5 lich much slower than lvl 1 lich. For me it faster to stab and go, swap parazon mods and go again.
Play in full Squad , only use oull to find the order
The time that takes to your sister to spawn multiple Times is enough to find right order and all 3 mods
Work for me multi time My oull continue full
Why is it called Oull?
Because it can be oull of the other requiems.
Hah, now that I think of it...maybe that's more true in the naming than I thought.
Ur fringe but true very very true👍
🚪
cuz it's cool
Well this is awkward, that auto-publish and it is still 360p. Should fix itself in half an hour or so.
Edit: I have no idea what is going on and it's still stuck at 360p.
Something is borked, hopefully it fixes eventually. Can't do anything else sorry :(
Edit2: After 5 hours, it's finally 1440p. Nice one YT
360p be like
2 h later, still 360p
I honestly have no idea why that is the case atm.
No worries 👍
Its 1080p now
This is a great tutorial... For Sisters. For Liches it goes quite different since you need a couple dozen thralls and have no hounds. So it feels weird that the sisters are being called Lich throughout the video.
Exactly the same in every way, the community calls all of these encounters liches. You are clueless and out of touch
i use OULL as a back up charge for more lich farm lol
Sure, Oull is a nice present from DE to us with many uses :)
I once used this method, putting the first two requiem in order with an Oull as my third and I got my 5th lich on the first try. I was with my friend when he killed his lich he told me to try it and HE got it the first try as well and we were both laughing. 😆
Congrats! Always super satisfying when that happens :)
Hi there, this is Aerisuna from last night! Recognizing you made my night, and now this video just made my morning. Thank you for your content, this was exactly the thing I was looking to confirm! ^~^
Yep, hahaha thanks! I missed covering how one hound spawns per HP bar, which is why I put Oull in first slot. But besides that, this is about what I was trying to do XD
Was nice meeting you :)
if everyone starts doing this we're gonna have runs where u get no murmurs. my lich never gets to four. I've noticed people ignoring their liches altogether and don't knock them down. i use a booster, so id get the first one revealed and put it in first place with oull second. if it's correct I get two stabs .when the second gets revealed I put it in last place , if its correct fight is done, without even revealing the final one. if it's wrong wait for the last one and use that fight done. if the first one was incorrect u just move oull to first place and place the first revealed into the second place. so far this has worked perfectly. I've even sent a lvl 1 lich to Neptune with some luck. i have maybe 6 oull mods they usually drop on the last stab.this is simpler and gets you to attack you lich every time instead of being a murmur free loader.
Each mission spawns 4 dogs if you wait for them.
The first ring takes 8 murmurs to fill.
A dog is worth 1 murmur.
A lich stab is worth 3 murmurs.
Each Lich spawns with 1 extra dog, and another will spawn if you successfully guess the stab.
So at minimum, a Lich spawning is +4 murmurs, on top of a mission giving +4 murmurs.
This means at worst, the first ring takes 2 missions to complete.
If a Lich spawns in your first misison and someone stabs, your ring is filled by extract already.
Why does this matter? Because you are probably the only person in that lobby with a 0% Indifferent Lich. The game only matchmakes lich level, not anger meter. This means the odds of someone being able to stab their lich in a 4-man lobby for L1 liches is extremely high. Their lich has priority because it has higher anger meter, and this also means they have their requiem unveiled because well...that's exactly why their anger meter is high. The odds of your Lich spawning when your meter is 0% is extremely low. The scenario of skipping your first stab is more of a "what if this happens" rather than a, "make sure you do this all the time when you load in". Also. it isn't parasitic, because the gain to you is equal. If someone stabs, you instantly have enough to stab the next mission. They are passing the torch to you, and you are passing the torch down to the next person. It just makes sense. Or are you really going to get that fussy over one random person every once in a while not stabbing their lich and costing you one extra run of a 3 minute mission, when Corpus Liches take on average 45 minutes to do to start with. You know there are people that genuinely can't kill L5 liches, right? Not everyone is the same as us. The video is aimed at all the people that have been asking how to deal with a L5 lich, and also farm fast, and how to use Oull properly. If you are stab-friendly and don't care about the level of the Lich, then obviously this video won't help too much. This is a video on how to match the meta stab strats in speed, while never risking a L5 lich, and genuinely never a L4 lich either. If you blindly stab every time you can, you have a very realistic chance of getting a L4 lich. Stabbing a lich without knowing the requiem is always a +1 lich level that could be avoided if you so choose. Not stabbing will always result in the lich being 1 level lower than the strat you use, and for some people, that's what they asked for.
Me personally? I stab always, because I don't care about Lich levels.
Remember people use banshee/cedo combo if the Lich gets to lv4 or 5, you can literally oneshot a level 5 from full health with just 2-3 sonar casts and an alt fire from the cedo
This was moreso aimed directly at the people who have actually been having problems with L5 liches and asking about how to deal with them. Where technically the easiest way is just to avoid them if they're actually causing problems, since that's the easiest way to do it. Banshee I'd expect them moreso to have, but otherwise that means they have to craft here so :shrug:
Cedo though, a lot of people don't have because it's locked behind Deimos, and a ton of people hate Deimos.
Me personally? I just stab regardless and don't really care. This isn't really a reflection of how I do my liches, but moreso an answer to what I've had people ask for.
but banshee dies so quickly... I literally just failed a lvl 90-110 survival
@@Hejirah Rolling Guard and shieldgate + Silence spam. Also keep moving.
My mara detron takes my level 5 lich down 100000×
Damn this is actually smart! This will help easen the grind alot. Thank you.
Cheers and thanks for watching :)
This is an awesome strategy, I was planning to just use oull for unknown final stab, but now I will incorporate it into my guessing.
I might as well spend the rare resource to save time now instead of never using it later.
Yep, we burn them at a rate of 1 per 3 liches.
But we get one on average per 4 liches.
And also 1/6 liches we take long enough we unveiled all 3 requiems and also know the right spots, so no point in using Oull.
So for every 12 liches, we get 9 more Oull charges, and burn 10 charges
At the most I'd say get one or two spare max Oulls, after that you should basically never run out.
I decided to do something similar to this yesterday after realising that I was getting Oul mods in faster than I'd ever use them up. Purely by chance my random third mod happened to be correct, and the lich went into the final boss after just three missions and one (extremely brief) encounter, without levelling even once.
That's super awesome! I still haven't had that happen once. Closest I've had is 4 liches stabbed at L2 finish so far.
I only ever use OULL when I try for kuva liches since they are way less common to get anyone in your squad and take longer to get all requiems revealed and are harder to defeat
This is true. I am hoping to not have to deal with too many Kuva Liches to get what I want.
The drop rate is 25% though, RNG can trend either way.
But it should even out in the long run for being able to use Oull for 3/4 liches, and needing to manually finish the stab without Oull on 1/4 of them.
I also once unveiled the 3rd one when I knew where the other 2 need to go so I saved one Oull dot. This run started by unveiling 1st mod in first mission
This is exactly what I mean by people overblowing the skipping Lich stab stance I have.
The odds of you unveiling a mod in the 1st mission is actually quite realistic.
And you are guaranteed to unveil your first requiem after the 2nd mission.
The odds of your own Lich spawning in the first mission is almost impossible.
And the odds of your Lich spawning in the 2nd mission is still low.
The odds of your entire team all having Indifferent 0% Liches just like you and unwilling to stab their Lich?
Also extremely low. The lobby is typically randomized anger meters, meaning it is highly likely someone is ready to stab their Lich when it spawns, because they've unveiled their requiem, and because they unveiled it, naturally that comes with a higher anger meter than you. This means there is a realistic chance someone else's Lich will spawn in your first mission, which is what lets you instantly unveil your first requiem after.
The flux rifle is sooo good, I liked the original but the crit was so low and the charge was slow af. The tenet one is just so satisfying to use with the slash, I feel pretty good about this update. Also nice big brain strats for quick liches
Thanks :)
I still need to pick that one up. I've actually heard a lot of mixed things about it, so hmm maybe there's something idk
@@Aznvasions its become my go to for steel path missions now, especially with the primary merciless the damage is so crazy takes like 10 bullets to kill a level 180 with all buffs active
Pog, time to pick it up soon I guess.
This is one of the best explainiation in RUclips, thank you! Other video is just all over the place.
Wow, thanks! Glad you found it helpful :)
@@Aznvasions no problem, just saying what I think (as other video really pissed me off), keep up the good work!
I literally figured this out yesterday when I got my envoy. Good on you fam!
Thanks! Cheers
Lol damn bro that was a mouthful, good info mate gg
Mess of a topic, tried my best to explain lol
I used what i learned in this video, got lucky and beat the Kuva Lich in 2 stabs. You sir, are an absolute legend.
Cheers and thanks for coming back :)
I watched 6 fucking videos you were the only one that broke it down without sounding like fucking gibberish, even brozime was fucked. Thanks man.
It does not matter at all which slot you put oull in. If you get a freebie in slot 1 and guess slot 2, it's exactly the same outcome as guessing slot 1 and getting a freebie in slot 2. You can even put in slot 3. It literally makes no difference at all.
I got 3 lich weapons 2 kuva 1 corpus … I wish I would of known this tactic ahead of time . I got my lich to level 5 the first time because I had no clue what I was doing. Stabbed him twice with no mods equipped 😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️ the other two both level 3 but I didn’t put the oull in slot one I just got lucky 🍀 n the estimated guesses. With this info I feel like I’ll get level 3 every time now. I’m not a veteran player either so level 5 I could not kill solo my friend that’s a OG player melted him like butter left out the fridge on a hot summer day ! Warframe goals ! ! lol one day I’ll be OP too even though it’s been out 9 yrs it’s kinda new to me still 🤷🏽♂️
Omg. This helped a lot. I was so confused on how to use the requiem mods for the parazon. Now I can actually try to kill the first lich I got and have had for months now
Cheers and glad it helped!
Apologies if this has been mentioned but a solid tactic is to farm murmur on sombody elses Lich planet.
Your Lich doesnt spawn so no worries about leveling it up.
When I went back to my lich who was still on earth I had already discovered 2/3 req's so managed to kill him using an OULL while still level 1 on Earth.
The thing is this requires you to squad up and find people. Otherwise, it's generally not possible to pub into a lich mission on a planet you aren't on. But that's a solid tip that can work out too. Though generally at that point I imagine the people you lobby with could just grind them all out the same way and just help you kill whatever level the lich ends up.
In case anyone is interested, this method gives you the following odds of finishing your lich at each level:
Level 1: 1/21
Level 2: 1/3
Level 3: 19/42
Level 4: 1/6
Wow, very nice
how do the odds go back down when by level 4 you should know with certainty what the combination is?
@@viysnjor4811 the odds are only 1/6 because you're more likely to have already finished your lich before then.
@@GrrumpyPants oh you mean its the odds from step one of you getting to each level, not the odds of failing AT each level, that makes more sense.
Such a dope vid Killed him on 2nd level, helped me out so much took a break for 5-6 years so i didn't have to start over on pc.
Seemed like common sense to me but reading the comments I guess not everyone realized it. Nice of you to spread the knowledge
Yea, and this is exactly why I end up making these lol.
And the other regular runner people have surprised pikachu face on why I bothered to do it since "everyone knows"
Thanks for the detailed explanataion. Another great vid bro!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the info! I needed to find a fast (or faster) way of taking care of my sisters / liches. They used to take a full day for me, and by Pluto they would be figured out entirely lol it bored me pretty quick
That outro scared the f outta me, because I was talking to Katheryne... Like, "Wait, is this a boss battle???"
I wasn't prepared.
XD Katherine-01 through Katherine-09 have assembled and are ready for battle 😂
Most people can’t even pin where it’s from, since we usually just burst down the phase 2 Andrius and it takes so long for the music to drop after the phase 2 intro
@@Aznvasions I don't min-max my team, so I always hear the boss music.
Definitely subscribing this made me feel so stupid about my last litches and tenets this makes it so much easier
Cheers and thanks!
Welcome to the team :)
The thing that you get all the previous requium progress if you join mid mission was already a thing before
Ah I probably didn't notice because of how grindy the murmur pace used to be, and how unlikely it was for Liches to spawn back then.
@@Aznvasions kuva lich grind is still a problem they need to cut it in half at least
@@635574 It is pain, I agree. I was doing a Shildeg to finish off when the update dropped, that was still a slog and I thought the system didn't change for Kuva Liches at first lol.
This dam game such rocket science I will never get a kuva idk how a new player suppose understand this
if you do get unlucky and get the level 4 scenario, good news is that by then you'll probably discover the 3rd requiem mod and you won't have to use your oull, it's happened to me twice in a row :D (lucky and unlucky me!)
This actually does help me out cause generally my litch is either level 4 or 5 and mops the floor with me
I took this a step further in the scenario where you got the middle position correct on your first try. Stop going for the 3rd and just let the sister back out.
Once the second is revealed switch oull to the third slot and put your second unveiled requiem in the first, now once you stab and you get it correct stop stabbing and let the sister flee now just keep murmur farming until you reveal the 3rd requiem and replace oull.
This way you save charges on the valuable oull mod all while keeping your sister at lvl 1.
If on the second stab the second requiem was wrong we now know that it really is suppose to be in the last slot and the third requiem should be in the first now just continue murmur farming in Phobos until you unlock the 3rd and replace oull with that requiem.
This strategy is to prevent oull charges from being used at the cost of time revealing your third requiem
That's perfect! I actually didn't think of that cuz I actually thought of it in reverse at how Oull's are replenished.
I basically just saw it as
25% to get Oull drop on successful triple stab
Oull lasts 3 liches,
so on average you have oull for 3/4 liches.
1/6 liches takes 4 stabs, and typically unveils the 3rd requiem and you also know where each one needs to go, so you can remove Oull.
so 4.5/6 liches you will have Oull available, and 1/6 you don't need it. Thus you will only be missing Oull 0.5/6 of the time.
This means you should be replenishing Oull nearly as fast as you use it, or that for every 11 Oulls you own, you will burn 12 Oulls instead.
*Incredible*
This is the single best lich guide on youtube
Omg this video is gold. I had no idea Oull was a wild card!! Came here after miserably failing against lvl 5 sister lich. She ripped apart my whole squad.
Glad it could help out, cheers :)
Looking at the thumbnail/description: No it is not impossible for a lich to always be killed in 3 attempts or less. It is also possible for it to take four attempts but the chance is slim (16% chance to occur)
Level 1: Fail first stab 1/3
Levl 2: Fail Second stab 50/50 (Oull-known requiem)
Level 3: Fail Third 50/50 stab
Level 4: All known requiems.
Unless you exploit and manage to get an additional stab in you aren't supposed to or attempt that doesn't level up the lich there is always the chance you get a level four lich.
YO dont mean to brag but THANKS to THIS GUY RIGHT HERE, i got my second lich in just ONE STAB. Ill be the "LOVE THIS" button im sure im not the only one just follow steps and boom
Cheers! That's some solid luck there hahaha. Glad it happened to you, I've still only had that happen once in 32 liches so far for myself.
Tried this method for the first time yesterday, and got a level 4 sister. RNGesus slapped me hard.
Oof, my condolences
6:42 wouldn't it be better if you slot Vome in the first slot after the second slot failed? Either it fits and you will get a lvl 1 lich or it is wrong and then you always know *guaranteed* the position of the 3rd mod - in this case its Vome - instead of failing one extra time with ris - if ris is wrong on the second slot.
Then your lich is lvl 2 and you put Vome in the 3rd, Oull in the first and ris in the second slot. If it fits, your lich is lvl 2 and you can finish it.
There is only a 50/50 chance to fail here so If its wrong, you will switch Oull and Ris around and your lich is max lvl 3. Guaranteed, *always.*
One thing to mention:
If you do kuva liches, you will get kuva per stab. Always stab them atleast once when they appear to get some free kuva with Oull or the first slot mod when it fails on the second slot. That way you will only once not get kuva from stabs. Every other stab will give you free kuva and it gets more the higher their level go and the more stabs you do.
Short version:
Before first stab and if you know two of the mods + oull:
attempt 1: First mod fails.
attempt 2: First mod fails
attempt 3: First mod succeeds.
no matter what at the 3rd attempt you should have a 50/50 chance of getting it right.
attempt 4: you should have it by now. Your lich will be level 2 if the third attempt was correct and level 3 if it was wrong.
Oh that’s what Oull does, I was super confused on why it said mimics any requiem mod lol
Hahaha yea it's pretty confusing at first
My first lich I guessed the first 2 instantly - so I got it in 2 stabs with Oull at the end.
That was fun.
That's actually really cool LOL
Always super satisfying when that happens.
Oull gives you a higher chance to finish the run faster. Good video and explanation.
This is great, I got super fuckin lucky on my first couple. I didn't know much of what I was doing and waited until discovering all three mods before trying a combo of them, I got help from Region chat and he helped me get past some bs interception missions and I shit u not, I stuck all three discovered mods on my parazon for an encounter and I guessed the order of all three correctly. We both were speechless. I then went on to do a lich on my own and did it again, but broke the cycle on my third lol
That's some spicy luck to get two of them like that! Congrats, and welcome to the lich/sister grind :)
@AznvasionsPlays Yeah it's actually pretty fun now that I know what I'm doing, got a lich rj crewmate, nice % k grattler, a meh k hek, currently working toward a nice % k Chakkur.
Careful now, with this much quality content you might double your subs in a month.
Lol, wouldn't that be a shame XD
This strategy might help me with my Lich and Sister hunts. It's been frustrating at times, especially when they refuse to show up.
Cheers and hope it helps :)
Don't play public if you don't want to stab your lich. Benefiting from the murmurs that you get from other people stabbing their liches while not returning the same favor by not stabbing your lich is called leeching
Great video, i use Oull in the last space so i can guess which mod goes on the first space but i guess is basically the same
It's because a successful stab on your Sister spawns another dog.
If you don't use Oull in first slot. You are probably going to fail your first stab a lot, despite still taking same tries to finish.
This means you will be missing out on otherwise-guaranteed bonus murmurs from using Oull in slot 1.
Ohhh the spawn of course, well time to change my strategy to first slot haha
I completely understand the whole science of the video and thank you for your help buddy (but I prefer to just fight my lvl 5 lich because I'm bored 😆)
I just want one more thing to know...
How can you get the OULL requiem mod?
It's a 1/4 drop chance from successfully guessing the triple stab. 1/6 times you will unveil all the mods before you manage to succeed, so you get them nearly as fast as you would realistically use them. If you even hold on to them a little bit, you'll get them faster than you can use them.
Extremely astute! Very helpful. Thank you very much.
No problem cheers :)
7:05 this means at worst scenario the lich will be level 4. I agree.
However your description says "you won't have to see Level 4..." - so that is incorrect because the lich could be level 4.
Hey man, thanks for the video! I wrote this guide with additional mathematically/programmatical steps after watching this. Not sure if it helps?
SoP hunting
Always play co-op
Always stab the dogs first
Only stab each time after you learn a new requiem
Requiem key
O = Oull
K = Known
U = Unknown
Results key
/ = Correct Requiem
X = Incorrect Requiem
? = Unknown Requiem
S1 = Scenario 1
S2 = Scenario 2
S2A = Scenario 2A
S2B = Scenario 2B
Pre stab starting setup just incase you accidently stab your lich (don't do this!)
O+U0+U1
Stab once K1 identified
O+K1+U1 = /// Dead lich lucky you! L1 Lich!!!
O+K1+U1 = //X (S1)
O+K1+U1 = /X? (S2)
Stab once K2 identified
If S1 AND K2 = U1 then (very rare scenario)
K2+K1+O = /// Dead lich lucky you! L2 Lich!!
If S1 AND K2 /= U1 then
K2+K1+O = /// or O+K1+K2 = /// Dead lich
IF S2 then K1 is 1 or 3 position so
O+K2+K1 = /X? (S2A)
O+K2+K1 = //X (S2B)
O+K2+K1 = /// Dead lich lucky you
If S2A Then O = second spot then
K2+O+K1 = /// or K1+O+K2 = /// Dead lich
If S2B Then K1+K2+O = /// Dead lich
Thanks! :D
This is pretty cool
If I saw this 1 week earlier - I would be really, really grateful for it. But now when I remembered Ash's shuriken augment mod exists, even rank 5 liches and sisters are not a big deal lol
Their main issue is actually their innate DR, the armor is a very tiny part of it. That said, Ash is almost impossible for people to get these days if they don't already own him. Especially newer players, because he is locked behind RJ Corpus Defense. The average time to get Ash is 36h atm, ever since they moved his parts. Nyx and Banshee is a thing, but I doubt most players, and especially new players, own or have one of them built up, because they just aren't relevant in the current gameplay DE has kept pushing in the past 2 years.
@@Aznvasions idk, I just have Ash Prime, don't remember even where and when did I get him. And he really helps a lot. I don't know how, but he makes damage on those bosses much, MUCH better.
This mostly works when you play on PC or premade squads. Playing on switch on public I'm often alone in the squad or with only one other person. With that few people you naturally get less murmur progress so it happens all the time that my sister spawns before i actually know a new requiem mod to try out, both at first and second ring.. Thankfully i'm capable of handling a level 5 sister so i just stab away anyway, sometimes you do get lucky and rage meter fills up rather fast for sisters anyway it seems.
The first ring is supposed to fill up in 2 mission no matter what, as it only requires 8 dogs. And typically up to 4 can spawn per mission if you wait around long enough. If someone spawns a Lich and stabs, that lich is an instant +3, and the Lich always has a personal dog for another +1. So someone stabbing a Lich will instantly fill your first ring from 0-100% in the first mission.
@@Aznvasions What kind of missions are you recommending to do first? I typically start with survivals -> exterminates/captures -> anything, although anything rarely happens, with sisters at least, because you rank them up before it comes to that. On captures I often only encounter 2 dogs, sometimes even just 1. Probably doing it too fast... I did 13 sisters since the update and don't think i filled my meter a single time in the first mission only. But that is probably a nintendo switch problem. Public is just too empty. I don't even know if I ever had a full squad doing these 13 sisters ever, except for the final railjack battle.. it feels like 50% alone 40% duo 10% trio in normal sister missions or sth lol
I do put survivals and exterms in pretty much the same category, and then captures. Captures aren't the best for dogs and rushing can screw the spawn. Sabotages are in somewhat a similar category. After that, if my Lich still didn't spawn, I'll take a mobile defense, because it's barely longer than a survival (is longer though), but I feel like I actually am doing something and can still traverse the map. I don't touch defense or excavation or disruption personally.
Even if you don’t kill you can wait 1 mission and their rage meter will be filled still, meaning they will probably just spawn again next mission. Stabbing at random is never the move
If u just run missions like normal and stab every time it def is faster. Worse case scenario it takes a couple extra missions and will know all requiems along w/positions if them and you can unslot oull and save a charge. Level 5 liches really arent bad and even if they are giving you trouble they are a cake walk in squads. Nezhas a beast against liches even w/out helminth. Hes very survivable and his chakrahm makes them extremely vulnerable to all damage. I didnt even use my necromech last nite. I just used nezha cause he was simply doing more dmg. And my mech is def no slouch. Its able to nuke everything. Mechs just seem to be lacking against sisters. If u do have helminth both roar and airburst are amazing choices. I just replace his 1. W/the airburst rounds aug you do 25%+extra dmg w/2ndarys per enemy hit(200% str gives u 50% per enemy & is bonkers with a good 2ndary like sporelacer or gaze)+its amazing cc. It really is godtier. I made a clip using zephyr w/that aug w/just 115%str and shadow stalker spawned in SP defense. 2 taps brought him down to 15% life. I was flabberghasted. Last nite i was using roar tho. Roar+chakrahm+spore=1 hit per health bar on level 5 lich(its actually overkill on them).
The stab every time strat typically ends up being at most 3 murmurs ahead, so basically 3-4 minutes faster overall. There are people running liches that don't have Helminth and don't own Cedo. This one was moreso directed at the people that kept asking about L5 liches, which at that point, it's faster to just avoid them if you're having problems with them.
@@Aznvasions i dont use the cedo for liches. i uses zaws and kitguns and you dont necessarily need helminth. Im just trying to tell the peops struggling w/ level 5 liches that nezha is their answer. The helminth thing i was basically saying how far you can take nezhas power if you so choose and have the helminth. Even w/out it tho nezhas a beast against liches. And w/this method you potentially save oull charges.
I miss warframe shame that there's still no cross save I've been waiting for 2 years now.
Cross save is in the works, but they have no ETA
man, do I have news for you
Cross save and cross play is coming
Cros save/play is coming the new war comes this year and mobile is in DEvelopment
This is exactly what i do. But the only difference is that i wait until i open my second requiem. Because if the first second and third spot is correct I dont want to do another 4 missions because i couldnt wait to do one mission to open my second requiem. Better that i dont guess.
Just got a zarr off a lvl 1. This guide is amazing
Congrats! Though I would say that one is more so on the luck side than anything to do with my guide XD
@@Aznvasions I didn't not know about oull or have a strategy to figure out combo. Getting it on 1st was luck but with some very good practice. I've done 2 more and both were lvl 2. Much faster and easier then the 4 and 5s I had been doing before the video
I donno if WF is kidding me or not... but after I used your method... my past 5 Sisters got all the worst case scenerios~
That's just RNG being a bish tbh
@@Aznvasions IKR!! But at least they will never reach level 5 from now on!
The process is the same when guessing the slot 1 instead of slot 2, for solo, oull is useful as u can wait for the sister to spawn hound after successful stab but in pub, the sister dont even have the time to spawn the hound cause everyone will down it as fast as they can. Nevertheless, its a great video for those who are newbie at it 👍
The reason you put Oull in slot 1 vs other slots is each successful stab against the Lich makes another personal murmur dog spawn. You won't get these extra dog spawns if you fail the first stab. If you don't actually care about whether you get the extra dog spawn or not, then it doesn't matter if Oull is 1, 2 or 3.
You can always force this by just being the first to handle the Lich. Pubs are not particularly fast at actually choosing to fight the Lich the majority of the time and you can cherry pick the fights. It only takes a few seconds for the next hound of the sister to spawn, and usually if you leave the pub alone, it will still take them at least 5 seconds to go through even the next phase of a L1 lich. That's more than enough time for it to spawn. Typically if it doesn't spawn it's because we went ourselves out of our way to DPS the Lich again first. Pubs really aren't good for taking out Liches themselves, and 9/10 times are just there as meatshield fodder. The general playerbase just isn't well-equipped enough majority of the time, or just don't pay enough attention to Lich spawns in general.
@@Aznvasions idk where u server region u play on, cause in asia server, almost every mission i go, the chinese rekt the sister so hard, that i got a bug where i press x once on the first slice, it continued on its own on the second slice and Thats where oull is useful against this bug 🤣
:shrug:
NA servers aren't as sweaty I guess. I've seen people even die to L1 liches here. It's kind of funny.
using this method and getting the worst scenario twice in a row, lovely 🙃
RNG can be a cruel mistress :(
I use this strategy and still get unlucky because one of the requiems (most of the time the 2nd one) always ends up being first where the OULL is. So I move it, and then another requiem ends up being where I moved the OULL to. Results in my lich leveling up to 3-4 (more 4 than 3) minimum every time. How y’all be getting liches in 1-2 is beyond me
1 is super rare. 2/6 liches will finish on 2, 2/6 will be 3. RNG is still a thing and single players typically represent a small sample size. Even say, 100 liches isn’t really representative of average odds yet
There's something i don't get. It doesn't make any difference wheter Oull is first of last. Never stab lich before knowing any requiem is a must as always. Your method of putting Oull first would work only if putting it first on parazon forces the revealed requiem to be one of the remaining two, but since it doesn't work like that, the odds are the same wheter you put it first, second or last place. The amount of information you get stays the same and there's no advantage from putting Oull first. Moreover, i'd say it's best to fail as soon as possible the first slot. Worst case scenario in both cases is 4 stabs. Suppose you know two relics (vome, riss) and go Oull - Vome - Riss. Fail second. Try Oull - Riss - Vome. You can still fail, because either Riss or Vome could be first. Try a third time, Vome - Oull - Riss (Oull must be in the middle since you tried both requiems there already). There's still a chance you fail, since Riss could be first. Then you have to try a last time with Riss - Oull - Vome and that's a guaranteed kill. The tree of chances is the same with Oull in any slot. What am i missing?
I mean, i think it's easier to go with guesses on the first slot without factoring oull at all, if not at the end. I know Vome. Stab with vome on first slot. If i succeed, good. I stop there, wait for second requiem (Riss), and try it on slot 2. If it fails, it's 2 stabs since i know Oull has to stay in the middle now. If i fail Vome first slot, i wait for second requiem (Riss). Now i try Riss first slot. If i Fail, i know i have to go with Oull - Riss - Vome or Oull - Vome - Riss. now i have a 50/50 and failing it is the worst case scenario. It's the same exact thing, except it's a bit more straightforward.
The reason is because successful lich stabs spawn another personal dog. If you are guessing the first requiem and not getting it always right, you are throwing away otherwise guaranteed bonus murmurs. Also, always stab the personal dog before stabbing the lich. It instantly despawns if you fail stab the lich
Really good video, nice work!
Thanks!
normally this works. i tried to do it today, and my entire game glitched, and now it shows there is no correct combination for my lich, even though i have all the mods uncovered. ive tried every combination i can, with and without oull and nothing is working
I felt that lol. If a requiem appears gold top right of the lich screen, that means it's correct.
Leave your lich alive and allow the grineer near him for more murmur... don't know if it works the same way with the sisters though.
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This should be helpful for easing the pain of grinding. Nice one mistah
I hope so, thanks :P
Mabye i might consider starting the new content today kek, here we go
The grind is over 2x faster than before for Corpus Liches, and it's actually not as boring as it used to be.
Really smart, thanks!
Cheers!
I did about 9 sisters until now. IMO Oull needs to have another little advantage to really make it worth it. Almost every time I had all Requiem unveiled before I knew the sequence. Sure like in the video you could have luck and kill your lich in 2-3 stabs thx to Oull but I ran into the scenario where you have it absolutely all wrong with it, making it useless as if it where like the other mods.
Idk maybe make it a 1 charge use but a mod slot becomes a known and well placed requiem.
I'm not exactly sure what they could do, as currently you normally want to pace the requiem unveils if possible with the natural encounter rate of your lich. That's how you get them done consistently in
i learned a lot about mods order or sequence what i can say is never stab your lich or sisters until you unlocked all 3 mods then you try to stab it most cases i killed sister in just rank 1 and yea forgot to mention here i farm daily 5 sister in warframe now no weapon left
dont worry bout the lv5 lichs, jsut use laeton and you wil onehit them anyways. and in the end jsut a casual lavos railjack oneshot and youre good, that way yu give the team more murmurs
Even with this method, it is entirely possible to get extremely unlucky and end up with a lv 4 lich/sister.
Nah, I figure out the first murmur and put it in slot one with oull on the second slot, haven't had a level 4 or 5 in forever.
I used this trick by accident with my first Sister and was mind blown when I killed her at rank 2. I thought it was a fluke though, so I’m glad to be wrong.
Still a good way to do it. Grats on the L2 clear
This game make me learn Probability better than in School..
hahaha, well, functional utility is what matters the most.
Thank you I’m still confused but it helped i have a bunch of these but no idea how to use them or why I would want to!
Did I really just watch a 10 minute video that just says, "guess right"?
Optimal way to guess based on probability logic*
This just assumes you have an oull or you are willing to use them
Oull was my first requim and I've been using it
That’s good! Means you’ve been benefitting since the beginning
Its called Logical Inference and Deduction. A way of eliminating options and making educated guesses.
Yup, just doesn't make an attractive title or buzzword, sadly, as much as I'd love to just call it that.
@@Aznvasions Nono no fault of your based on the title, just thought it was cool how we use it in warframe.
Keep up the great work!
@@icu9313 thanks :)
I am feeling stupid when I keep placing Oull at the 2nd like if I can be a 2 headed coined smart-ass or something. Thanks for the video, this will help me.
lmao, all good. Reason for 1st slot is for the guaranteed extra murmur from the lich dog that spawns after first stab
We just did this a few days ago and the liches no longer spawn a dog every stab, at least they werent for our group. The first stab would spawn a dog then no others would spawn. I thought it felt different at the time and after watching this video, clearly when you made this it was a dog every health segment of the lich. I wonder if they adjusted it because it felt too fast compared to the kuva's
Yea it might've been. I honestly didn't know about the change as I no longer farm sisters since I finished all of them. But that's unfortunate to hear.
Thanks! This helps a lot, you earn a sub bud
Glad it helped and welcome aboard :)
If you guys get a level 4 lich above use the monke trust me you won't die if you're smart and you won't trigger the survival techniques if you play it well let the clone soak it up
This. I always use this.
Use brama trust me, all duration, let monke twin use brama, let the game give the sister to you.
The cross mark. I thought i got it right like "oh i got it right" and ended up on rank 3 lich now :3
Great strat to save time, been doing this since the kuva liches. Unfortunately still requires luck and I have none lol
F in the chat, but that's how it's 5/6 odds to get it in 3 stabs or less (1 in 1 stab, 2 in 2 stabs, 2 in 3 stabs), and only 1/6 of the time it's 4 stabs.
Lol just before watching I used the oull mod to its fullest and I guessed the second and third mods with correct order and it happed twice. Really it's more beneficial to deduct and by that time u can also know what the first mod is if it's revealed at the earliest.
Guessing the 2nd and third mods when you're still revealing the first isn't deduction. That is literally 100% luck, because you have nothing to go off of.
You can't "deduct" without either stabbing the Lich, or unveiling requiem mods. And you said you did neither.
@@Aznvasions ah well I was saying an incident lol. Welp happened twice actually and it wa really just pure luck. Should have punctuated properly 😬.
Solid video. Nicely done
Cheers
This was very helpful I have all the kiva weapons now
No problem, glad it was useful. Cheers
I imagine GAZ would go mental watching your video given how he reacts on his stream to people not stabbing their lich/sister when they appear xD like "oh no my lich spawned, i'm mr30 but can't handle a level 5 lich reeee, better let it run and screw myself and everyone else in the squad", even made fun of "dumb" content creators making videos about not stabbing :P He has a tendency to overreact sometimes (funny tbh), but I somewhat unterstand it there. I get heavily annoyed at people not stabbing too. As you said "there will be others stabbing their liches which is free murmur", but on the other hand you're recommending to not stab yours every time denying them the free murmur if it happens. (And it does happen, encountered multiple people not stabbing last couple days myself..) It's even worse if they not even down it 3 times for it to go away immediately if they're not intending to stab it. This always creates a kind of awkard situation in which one doesn't really know what to do with the lich of others because you don't know their intentions.. And if their lich is around for no reason other liches can't spawn in.. Guess from now on i might end up just starting to immediately down it for them 3 times, if they want to stab they can do it, they have 3 opportunities, if they don't do it they probably didn't want to... (ofc only for sisters, for kuva liches only if there are no enemies around to enthrall anyway..)
I do usually immediately shoot down every Lich I see, and if they don't stab it in those 3 downs, well :shrug: I hope that was their intent.
A lich that sticks around longer wastes about 1 minute. The thing is it only takes one stab from someone else for you to be able to stab, so it passes on 1:1 ratio for the torch this way. Actually, from the squad perspective, one person stabbing makes the entire squad able to stab. Which the next time you load in, you will stab when your lich spawns, which allows someone else to stab, and so on, and so on, etc.
I don't consider it parasitic, because the frequency of someone not stabbing is heavily overshadowed by people actually stabbing, and ends up being a 5-10% total increase in Liching for the full run if you run into that. Whereas there are actual players that have problems dealing with L4, and particularly L5 liches, which is what this video is specifically created to avoid.
Of course, personally, I don't care about the Lich level and I just stab freely. Honestly the reason why it even took me this long to make this vid is because it isn't even what I used to start with and had to think how to reliably avoid Liches above L3.
Maybe more people will want to buy my Oull mods now
maybe....they aren't exactly that hard to replenish, some people just got bad RNG I guess.
It only trends slightly negative, with each Oull giving 3 stabs, but Oull having only 25% drop chance from a final sequence.
TFW farming for the universal Oull mod is easier and more reliable than cracking relics for all the other requiem mods.
Ikr, the rate of Oull on average is 3/4 of the rate you use them, and 1/6 liches won't need Oull because of how long it takes.