Exploring The Sailor Moon Iceberg
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- A deep dive into the fandom of the seminal 90's magical girl show, Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon. We explore everything from your crying memes and cousins to tabletop RPGs to the less than savory aspects of the community.
Google doc with the research and links: docs.google.com/document/d/1s...
Edited (across three months why do I do this) by me
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:50 The Tip of the Iceberg
12:04 Above the Surface
21:57 Below the Surface
35:58 Shallow Waters
46:45 Sinking Deeper
58:46 The Bottom
1:07:38 Below the Iceberg
1:20:35 THE ABYSSSSS 
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Thanks again to Kai for making a video on my silly iceberg meme!!! Also, I would like to state on the record that I disavow all direct and implied manga/Naoko Takeuchi bashing in this video. true fans know 😎
Always had a soft spot for Manga myself. Say what you will about Naoko Takeuchi's writing abilites but she draws a damn pretty manga... well mostly.
@@SimpsanSimpai Her writing abilities are great actually and definitely not inferior to the anime's extremely goofy and equally nonsensical writing. It always feels very arbitrary to me when people complain about the writing in the manga
The manga is actually my favorite way to experience the series. My most common criticism is the pacing and character writing tends to leave a lot to be desired but that trend was rather typical for the era. Though the pacing is miles better than the anime haha.
@@oddlazdo Plus she's the reason we have PGSM! As silly as certain aspects are (*cough* Sailor Luna), the story is widely considered the best adaptation of the Dark Kingdom arc by fans that have experienced it. Strongly recommend watching it!
@@oddlazdo This vid was actually the first time I'd heard someone talk bad about the manga. Although the 90's anime is nostalgic for me, I think the manga is just as good if not better. I think I prefer the more sci-fi, kind of melancholic at times feel of the manga.
“Haruka’s gender is ‘Mind your own fuckin’ business’” 10/10
She's from Uranus so isn't she supposed to be an Aquarius? That would be very fitting of one according to the astrology descriptions which I find is really really odd not being mentioned here...
She's literally Uranus
I feel like a lot of the nudity in Naoko's drawings is supposed to be sensual rather than sexual. The human body is as much part of everyday life as everything else (even more so lmao), especially for a Teenager. Of course there are pieces that seem pretty overtly sexual but I think most of them utilize nudity in the same way the 90s Sailor Stars Finale used it, for purity and humanity.
Let's not forget that aside from fashion, part of the inspiration for Sailor Moon is Greek and Roman mythology, which are well known for their tasteful nudity in art pieces. I think that's what it really comes down to for Takeuchi; it's artistic.
Naoko was progressive but she wasn't woke, sexuality or being attractive to men wasn't something she was angry about.
@@MrConredsX but that kinda isn't the point. Japan has a lot of their culture based around the 'cult of beauty' ideals. It's deeply embedded in their culture. Sexuality WAS an expected part of that but not the focus. Nudity, especially posed in obvious sensual and very Roman poses, points more heavily to a 'beauty shot' than a 'pin up' (although I find old pin ups fall into both categories). Sailor Moon was always targeted for a young female audience, so these 'beauty shots' were designed as a different, possibly aspirational, sort of art. I agree that this was never intended to be a 'sexual fan-service'. It's supposed to be alluring in the same way as Barbie is; unrealistic beauty that plays up what society seen as the height of femininity.
The 90s (not only in the U.S.A. but around the world, but I know how extreme it was here) saw many countries move towards recognition that a woman should be allowed to feel sexy, dress sexy, not be ashamed to express themselves and their needs as loudly as a man, and not feel predated on because of it. I say recognition because technically this was true long before but both sides acknowledging equality takes time and popular opinions of our peers is often far worse than law. I feel that a lot of what sparked this turning point was because the middle east was seeing a political shift towards censorship and the rest of the world felt rightfully threatened by it.
Because of this, the ideals of being feminine were rapidly broadening. Sailor Moon was a show that not only subtly told a young girl she could do anything, it did so in a way that told her she didn't have to act masculine to do so, and also that there was nothing wrong with taking on some masculine traits either. The line-up of characters that the scouts represent is very diverse and nude shots helped remind young girls that they were all still very much girls like them. This also makes the characters appear vulnerable and thus more relatable.
@@MrConredsX lmao since when does woke mean hating men, are you thinking about radfems (who are very not "woke")? poly lesbian triad feat a genderfluid butch & being pro sex is pretty much textbook woke, especially for the times in japan
@@haski002 Yes woke people hate classic old school definition of masculinity, you wont be able to defend this group. It's like Proud boys trying to defend that they are not actually homophobic, woke people need to go out of this society.
Gotta say that explanation of Sailor Cosmos was very inaccurate. Who she is is not ambiguous at all. She's Usagi's most evolved form. After losing everyone she loves and fighting a thousand year war in space, she's always regretted running away in her timelines version of the final manga arc. So she traveled to the past. So emotional over seeing the younger more innocent version of herself and seeing all her friends alive again, she took the form of Chibi-chibi as a way to both comfort her younger self, and bask in the sweetness of this happier time. Ultra powerful and extremely lonely, she's trying to give the young version of her hope (that final arc can get rather bleak) and help her so that her timeline never happens.
If I had made this video myself, the explanation of that entry on the iceberg would've been more about how the western fandom didn't know exactly who she was for years and years due to only having poor scanalations to go off of, which lead to a lot of arguments and theorizing about what her deal actually was. You are correct though, it's clear who she is nowadays.
@@oddlazdo Yeah, I can see that as being an iceberg entry.
But this also raises more questions it’s stated in the manga that after usagi takes over as queen she looses the ability to transform so what is this new form and now she has the power to time travel ??
@@raw086 Different timeline
@@raw086 in that timeline, usagi never became queen. She ran away from sailor Galaxia rather than stay and fight. That's how she started fighting in the war for so long.
Pluto is not in a polyamorous relationship! It's said in the manga that the rings represent their promise to protect Hotaru! Just because they live in the same house and raise a kid together doesn't mean they're in a relationship. I see Setsuna as like "the cool aunt".
Also, the moon fairy thing was JUST Diana, not Luna!
I agree, while Michiru and Haruka are Mama and Papa, I see Setsuna as the cool, Ace aunt.
Yes.
That's not what my fanfic says (tone: joking)
As someone who remembers when Sailor Moon was first dubbed in one of the US I'd like to thank you for posting this video. A lot of people don't really realize that even the dubbed had enormous impact on the people watching it. I know it's hard to remember a time when anime wasn't popular in America but Sailor Moon, DBZ, and Ronin Warriors were among the first that really drew people in. So thanks again for posting this it brought back some good memories.
Agreed. The DiC version was incredible popular too Sailor Moon, Pokémon & DBZ was a huge reason why anime blew up in the states
Those and Pokemon were my major animes as a child!!
100%. Sailor Mercury was one of my first childhood crushes. And i still prefer the variety of the original dub's voices to the newer dub where they sound much more alike.
@@RandoLePerson it seems you don't understand what "making anime popular" means
@@RandoLePerson also CN was not the first or only network showing anime back then.. around 93/94.
For me, the worst part about the relationship booklet is the fact that Diana is completely missing, and Luna and Artemis are labeled are "friendship" when Diana is their daughter; just the same as Chibiusa is Usagi and Mamoru's daughter
With how often Seiya pops up in this video, it's interesting to me that the death of her Japanese voice actress, Shiho Niiyama, isn't mentioned. Stars finished airing in 1997, she was diagnosed with leukemia in 1998, and died in 2000 (one day shy of three years to the day since the last episode aired.) Her death wrecked me for a good while because I loved Seiya (...I still do tbh.) At the time of her passing, I was still watching my fandub Stars tapes almost daily.
I like the manga dream arc and Eternal of Sailor Moon better than the 90'S anime because it shows a sign quote "Accept the things you cannot change, have the courage to change the thing you can and have the wisdom to know the difference".Serenity prayer to signs of consequence of making mistakes but we can always fix things to make things right no matter what with courage and wisdom with the power of love will always triumph over evil Sailor Moon says no matter what.
Would bei good AND WISE if you would start listen top your own advice.
@@jasminschmalzl9734 girl what
@@jasminschmalzl9734 are you referring to their spelling and grammar or something? I hope not 😂
@@vixiestarfire I mean her last sentence about ✌️courage, wisdom and the power of love✌️
Because it takes two parties to dance this Tango. If only one partie gives, forgives and shows patience and understanding and the other only takes, the one who is the giver will only suffer. And then this is a lost case and this sentence only empty words.
So what Im saying is people only ever have a big mouth about such things but dont take action if it comes to the real thing.
If you want love, if you want forgivness, if you want understanding, give it to other people first. Even those who you think die something bad or something to offend you. Ask before you judge. Give them second chances and opotunities to explain themselfs.
Only exemple if the people around you are toxic, cause no matter how much love you give or how forgiving you are, those people will not change.
¿Where I can find the scene or manga chapter when this is shown?
It's super important! I'm in rehab with NA and I've always loved Sailor Moon since I was a little child and I can't believe the Serenity Prayer was shown in Sailor Moon manga and Eternal Sailor Moon.
I have the manga and I didn't notice this.
Please tell us where we can find this! 🙏✨🌙🌟
The last episode of the first season was perfect. Even if it also made me beyond sad, it made me understand how much love and sacrifice there was between the friends. And the moment she saw Mamoru is so dramatic. I am so sorry for all the poor children who were really sad about it. :(
i first watched this show this year, and the last few episodes of season one made me cry like a BITCH at 22 years old lol
@@emilymcpherson6564 it means something when it hurts. 🥲🥲🥲
At Ushicon 2019 - Junichi Sato, Yasuno Sato (his wife), and Ikuko Itoh were all present and he had discussed some behind the scenes of Sailor Moon. The first being that the reason they have nail polish during the transformation is due to a 90s toy company approaching him with a manicure set they could rebrand. His response was, "Ok, but they wear gloves..." He also explained that the reason for the focus on wavy hair and stock frames was that they had a low cel frame alottment and the series was for girls so they focused on making them glamorous rather than violent. In addition, Itoh would often scold him for making the girls too erotic at times. - So just some fun tidbits that could make the iceberg.
PGSMs transformation sequences giving them full nails and i never questioned the nails ever lmfao the whole time they were wearing gloves lololololol I never even thought about it
@@ccamp9812 there was a fan theory at one point that suggested that the nails were where their attacks either originated from or vaguely anchored to like focuses.
Pluto and Saturn isn't switched up, Pluto often introduces herself as the guardian of the Underworld and her attack is called death scream so she clearly has the underworld theme going on. Saturn is also Harvesting god, and Saturn generally responsible for cycles and karma which ties in well with Sailor Saturn. I think she simply gave Pluto the time powers too cos she needed her to have those powers for the plot.
Yup, this.
as an astrologer, i see the character arcs of Pluto and Saturn as switch.
Sailor Pluto dutifully maintains the law of time and suffers death for violating the rule of stop time. She studies physics, the structure of the cosmos - as Saturn is associated with order, structure, rules, responsibility, and stoicism.
Sailor Pluto is manipulated and controlled by overwhelming forces and undergoes a death and rebirth cycle, themes and a transformation that are symbolically Plutonic.
At very least there’s a mix of Saturn and Pluto themes for the characters.
@@stillcountingsheep I agree with you on most things however as you said, Pluto's own arc for being alone violating time and sacrificing herself in the process and undergoing a transformation (she incarnates in the present day as a civilian) is very much plutonic. She is also not being manipulated by outside forces. She literally exists outside of space and time , guarding the gate of time, but she ends up committing all three taboos and abandoning her post by her own choice.
@@stillcountingsheep also you forgot one thing: Pluto ends up committing all 3 taboos she's not supposed to commit ever: she allows sailor moon to trespass the gate of time, she abandons her post to help the sailors, and she also ends up stopping time for the greater cause (different things in the manga and anime but it's there in both, she also clearly exists outside of time and space) whereas Saturn carries out the duty given to her: to destroy the enemy at the cost of her own life. And whereas Pluto changes as a person, Hotaru doesn't. The original Sailor Saturn we meet in the Death Busters arc that destroyed the Silver Millennium and who destroys Pharaoh 90 dies and she seems to be a different person than Hotaru Tomoe altogether along with the new Sailor Saturn that we meet in the dream arc. Also she gives all the outer senshi their power ups and she has this whole mini plot with her needing to grew up very quickly again (something that's very tied in with time - aging) her character arc is very Saturnian. I don't think they are switched up, as you said there is clearly elements of both in both of them but I think that's more related to what Naoko wanted each of the Senshi to do to move the plot forward rather than her lack of knowledge on astrology
Also in the manga Pluto explains that she is the daughter of the god Chronos (we never see him nor does he ever comes up again) which is why she has powers over time. So she clearly knows the mythological and astrological sources she is borrowing from.
I have zero regrets of dedicating 1h30 of my life to this video. So damn excellent. As a hardcore SM fan, this has been a trip.
ALSO CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE GUNS. in one of the Sera Myu Stars musical - both Hotaru and Chibiusa travel to the past thanks to Pluto. And somehow acquire guns in the past, head back to the present, only to point them at Galaxia. Pretty boss musical moment tbh.
Love the musicals.
As someone who grew up on the relatively early internet (mid-late 90s/early 2000s) and was *very* active in the Sailor Moon fan community back then, it's so wild to see things from back then and remember them very vividly. Hitoshi Doi's site, the Save Our Sailors Campaign, Moonie Codes - I might still have mine saved in a text doc somewhere. Hell, I remembering trying to talk to my mom about the Moonies I was friends with online, and she knew what I meant, but told me to be careful using that word so people didn't think I was in a cult.
SAME. remember my Mom yelling at me that that word was not to be used because of the cult.
i love that you mentioned the “Save our sailors site!” Remember the pop tart campaign?! Fans can move mountains. As a middle schooler at that time, I remember making all
my classmates sign a petition to get Sailor Moon back on the air. None of my classmates knew what it was and I had to explain what anime even was. Needless to say… everyone thought i was a weirdo. lol but no regrets. Sailor Moon would be the gateway that would lead me to falling in love with the rest of Japanese culture and later moving to Japan. Thanks, Sailor Moon! Moonies forever! Maybe we are a kind of cult? 😆
@@MilkTeaASMR That's so cool! I may not have moved to Japan, but Sailor Moon inspired me as well, both as an artist, and just... as a person. I realized I was queer and trans because of Sailor Uranus. Soon as I learned about her and Neptune, they were instant faves. Moonies forever!
I loved that frame redraw challenge. Lots of established artists and other animators/mangaka submitted their own takes as well, including the creator of Pop Team Epic!
Idk where this would be on the iceberg, but it's worth mentioning. In regard to Naru and how she was immediately forgotten despite allegedly being Usagi's best friend, plenty of fanfictions exist where she becomes the True Sailor Earth/Gaia, and Mamoru just has a really powerful Star Seed. There are rumors floating around that Naoko considered making this canon in alternate stories, but I wasn't able to find any statements from Naoko herself.
Still, I wish Naru did become Sailor Earth, apart from bringing her back, but also because it makes sense for two best friends to embody powers of cosmic bodies that technically are best friends too.
Yessss
I remember this too! And given all the puns, Naru is “luna” backwards, which is a big reason a lot of fans were sure she would become a senshi eventually.
@@clarityvee how on earth is Naru “Luna” backwards? 👀
There was another theory floating around that because of all her strong energy that drew in all these monsters, it might mean that she'll become a senshi in her next life. This one was just a little too early.
Ha, gotta love the internet sometimes.
@@olivergaspar6729 Japanese language doesn't have L, so most of the time speakers read L as R. Luna is often addressed as "Runa", therefore Naru is rearranged Runa
I don't think there are many topics I'd watch an entire iceberg essay about, but Sailor Moon (or Sailormoon) is one I would rearrange my whole day's plans over. Awesome work!
With the sailor earth thing…people didn’t pay attention to the story? Is stated that the protector of the earth is Mamoru (Hence the name) and the story even mentions that Princess Serenity escaped from time to time to see him on his kingdom, the earth
I'm surprised at how much of this I actually knew about... I'd say about half & half. Despite being a HUGE fan of this series almost as long as I have been alive, I still find new things about this show all the time, and this was a really good watch. Thanks!
You know, I gotta say, despite a lot of what's seen in the Saban Moon content, those gliders are wild. I think they were actually a reasonably thoughtful attempt at localization. It's obvious from a Japanese perspective why all these girls are also sailors-in-name-only, but giving the Western version actual little sailing gliders seems like a genuine attempt to make it make sense to a foreign audience. I respect whoever came up with that, I really do.
And Sailor Mercury's sitting glider is pretty cool, even though a lot of internet ink has been wasted on hating it.
Something that I'd like to add is that there was an official Sailor Moon pop group called Super Moonies in Germany.
They released many 90s style techno songs and CD's based on Sailor Moon but the lyrics are kind of infamous for being inaccurate (for example their song about Sailor Saturn makes her seem like a villain that Sailor Moon has to fight)
1:01:37 I've had so much love and respect and wondering bout Neptune. In the Dream Arc (Manga and film) she shouts when Pluto explains the sadness they are feeling and she seems to care so deeply, she is not threatened by whatever feelings she, Mamoru, Usagi, and Unranus feels and even gently explains about Uranus to Usagi. She cares so deeply. She clearly wants to be a mom and gets that with Hotaru.
Thank you so much for trusting Moon Sisters and crediting Moon Sisters in the Google docs! I feel really honored I got to help out even in the tiniest of ways. 💚💙
omg im so happy others also consider you a sailor moon guru XD
"they laid in the bed for about 18 min. and dose off to sleep." Is a word-for-word excerpt from the Artemis's Lover fanfiction. Comedic genius if you ask me, lol.
An extremely dense and fun Iceberg on one of my favorite franchises. Was a blast to watch.
Something I've never seen pointed out about the sailor moon redraw challenge is the frame most people reference is an edited version. The colors are tinted lighter due to a filter, effecting outcome of the art. It's hard not to notice once you realize some of the art made during this redraw has usagi without her saturated blonde hair. (you could argue it's the artist's own stylistic choice, but the colors usually match the edited frame very well). To be honest it looks cool :)
5:07 goodness, Naoko was gorgeous. Togashi is so lucky.
I feel that many SM fans mixt admiration and respect for a person of the same sex with a crush or attraction. For example, the episode when Makoto expresses an admiration for Haruka is just that, *admiration* ! It's about Makoto finding a row model, looking up to someone. I find that People are too quick to brend everything as romance or something sexual.
About the sailor stars (from boy to girl). As a kid I just thought they like to wear suits and change into their sailor battle armor that looks feminine because sailor magic. I just accepted it.
Tuxedo Mask transformation might've also referred to act 0 in PGSM, where he does indeed transform, and it is just as amazing, if not more so, than you would think. Def recommend. But cheers for the video! I'm a Sailor Moon fan, but not that hardcore, so it was really cool to see the depths of this iceberg ;)
I was waiting for someone to mention this!
The galaxy cauldron is where stars/planets are born and where they go after they die. That’s where Queen Serenity found the star seed that would eventually become Princess Serenity. Star seeds are embodiments of planets/stars and all the Sailor soldiers have Star Seeds, which is why they all die after Galaxia takes their star seeds. Anyway that’s why the fandom says Queen Serenity picked a star from the Galaxy Cauldron
The brazilian SM fandom could add a ton of entries to an iceberg, mostly relating to dubs. The original dub for the first season was very beloved when it aired, then the rights were changed to another studio and network, which recast everyone.
A lot of the dubbing itself was good, but the translations were a mess, like how all the sailors were called "Sailor Moons". Usagi's voice actress was particularly disliked, considering how much the original VA for the first season was loved in comparison, and because she got the role through nepotism (she was the daughter of the studio's owner lol). Her performance as Sakura on Card Captor Sakura on the other hand is loved by its fandom.
When the Eternal movies were acquired by Netflix, there was a lot of anticipation for what the dub would be. In the end they took everyone from the second studio, except for Usagi's. Not because of the hate but because she retired. Usagi's role went to a new one actress(...which was again related to the new director lol). But I think the biggest issue is that Chibiusa's VA absolutely does NOT sound like a child in the slightlest, 20+ from when she dubbed her in the 90's. Outside of that, for both it and other languages they kept all the english names and the "-chan, -san, -kun" suffixes which a lot of people hated.
At least the Brazilian dub sounded leagues better than the Portuguese dub.
You Brazilian fellows had to endure a full cast change just one season in? That's so sad. I've heard that some anime had similar issues with its Brazilian dubs due to studio / distributor changes screwing up everything, and it's a shame that Sailor Moon was no different. And by the way you initially talked about Eternal's release there, it seems that Crystal hasn't even been dubbed yet, right?
As a Latin American viewer, we were definitely luckier with us having a consistent and iconic cast within all classic seasons and movies (courtesy of Cloverway, funnily enough. It's much highly regarded here since the Latin Spanish dubs they made are very beloved and had minimal script changes, unlike in the US), aside from Mamoru getting recast halfway through R due to studio problems, and many of the original cast actually coming back to dub the newer material. Although there was a VERY controversial Luna recast however, since the studio (who took over for Crystal since the original studio had closed a long time ago. That other one ironically also went down sometime later so Eternal was dubbed elsewhere) wasn't keen on waiting for the original VA to recover from an illness. Michiru was also the only outer senshi to get her original voice back. And Makoto was inevitably recast since her OG VA passed away years ago.
Anyway, we did also have that same issue of the honorifics being all kept, which sounded quite awkward and was also disliked here. I once read that the suffixes being left intact was a mandate from the distributor/client that all dubs must include, so there was probably no way to discard them. Same with some previously translated terminologies having to be now said in English. And especially with the character names having to be the Japanese ones, as our LATAM dub of the 90s series used most of the DiC dub's first names (Serena, Darien, Lita and so on. And it all happened despite the dub being based on the original JP version since the beginning) and those were intended to be kept in the dub of the newer series for audience familiarity's sake, but the client forced the change to the JP names mid-recording, which was also a contentious issue with some fans. And aging has definitely affected some of the VAs' performances, most notably Mamoru (2nd voice since the first one moved away from Mexico to Canada), Rei (whose VA has basically retired a few years ago and only came back to voice her again btw) and yes, even Usagi to an extent. We're still glad they all came back though. And within the rest of the returning VAs, our Minako, Chibiusa and Michiru fortunately still sound just like they did in the 90s. Ami and Artemis also sounded good enough too.
One thing I would love to see in that iceberg is a mention to Turma da Mônica references of Sailor Moon in comics
Apparently Naoko Takeuchi requested that all dubs for Eternal keep the honorifics, so they couldn’t choose to remove them.
@@thisissparta789789 Laaaaaaaame
I had the tabletop RPG book as a kid. i didn't know anything about tabletop gaming but I read that book cover to cover a billion times and it's literally amazing
The abyss sailor moon statue with absolutely 0 white paint WILL haunt me at night
As someone who really prefers the manga to the anime, do not worry i'm not THAT angry with you!
Jokes aside, a good topic to add to the iceberg would be the changes that were made to the manga throughout the years; some of them are more simple, like taking off recap pages from the original release, but there are bigger ones like changing the tecnology to make it more modern, and redrawing Luna a lot.
1:07:36 - Okay, Zonic is an outsider to that Zone. He’s an interdimensional cop who keeps order across the Sonic multiverse… primarily by yoinking main canon Sonic and making him do the problem solving for him. Also he stand sideways because his home dimension literally runs parallel to most of the others.
So I learned that Usagi is Jesus and I now have the regret of not seeing Sailor Moon booth babes. Honestly though, you did an amazing job putting all of this together.
....well, there was mentions of the messiah and she did carry the holy grail for a while - was that really news? (though the born out of the cauldron or whatever had not been on my radar, prolly as in every read-through of the manga the pseudo-science leads me to totally skim-read by the time I reach the last chapters...)
Suprised not to see Excel Saga on this iceburg, and the lead character is voiced by usagi's voice actress Kotono Mitsuishi, and in one of the later episodes, there is a parody type skit where the bad guys criticise the voice acting in the anime, and Kotono's Excel protests that she didn't "think she was that bad" or words to that effect.
I can't believe the wildly different intro themes for the various dubs didn't make the iceberg. Like, compare the moods of the Italian one and the French one!
Italian: 5EJ97S6Uf34
French: nZSWsQMP9ec
I have a fun lil thing to add to Sailor Moon's history-Back in the late 90's my mother had a friend who was working with TokyoPop at the time and she gave me all sorts of neat little things that Ive never been able to find information on at all.She gave me some manga samples that had a lot of the prototype pictures and stuff of the manga as well as a free lil chapter. Thats not the weird thingy tho, she also gave me computer disk that was fully in japanese but it worked on my windows xp just fine. Ended up being this kind of clip art program that had toooons of jpg's of chracters and backgrounds from the show and manga. You could make sick little collages and print them out and put everywhere. I know I have that disk SOMEWHERE... But if anyone else has seen or owns this disk as well, do let me know. Ive been on multiple abandonware sites and the like and have never been able to find a rom of it.Another neat lil thing that lady gave me were some mugs with art on them, one having art from the beach day episode and another with art of just the cast in group pose. Best mugs ever.
I appreciate the “little” nod to the fact that Naoko and Togashi are married and there little easter eggs in each other’s works, but there are so many more things you can say, like how about the fact that Megumi Ogata, the original voice of Haruka also voiced Kurama in Yu yu Hakusho, and though I think it’s only rumor but she might have played a part in introducing the two mangakas or something like that.
I usually never comment on RUclips videos but I HAD too for this one. Thank you SO SO much for this upload. It has touched me so deeply. I loved Sailor Moon as a child and still love it. Literally obsessed. I learned so much from your video! It took me back to the 90s. You had amazing facts and even a few I didn't know! HAPPY NEW YEAR AND THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
I could have sworn it was said in the manga that Sailor Cosmos was the original Usagi/Sailor Moon, when everyone died and at the pivitol moment in the end she orginally became afraid and disheartened and ran away, centuries later she never got over the mistake she made and came back in time (kind of like Usa) to make sure that her past self made the right decision this time and jump into the cauldron, I don't know maybe I fever dreamed it 😅
I think Universal studios was mostly referring to the relatively new 4D Sailor Moon ride that opened in Universal Studios Japan.
One thing I was surprised not to see on this iceberg was mention of Drachea Rannak. For years, he'd been a notable presence in the SM community for his impeccable replication of the the 90s anime art style which he's used to create art of a plethora of different fanmade Sailor Senshi. I remember how widely he was talked about in the SM community back in the 2000s and beyond. I think he's still around, but not sure if he's doing SM art anymore.
I own the coin bank at 1:16:57! Well, my 8 year old took it from me years ago. Her entire room is Sailor Moon themed. She has all of my old treasures as well as a ton of new items.
"I tried killing of Mamoru several times"
Ah. that explains it.
I'm not even a big Sailor Moon fan, yet here I am at the end of an hour and a half deep dive.
The last entry of the abyss section talks about ''The masked belle poitrine'' and ''belle poitrine'' means 'beautiful breasts'' in french... so the title of the show would be ''Masked beautiful breasts''... lol.
I normally have a hard time concentrating on longer videos but this was really fun and easy to get through. Super entertaining. Making this must have taken a LOT of work. Thank you :)
given the pgsm love, i'm surprised you missed out on the tuxedo mask transformation, which might be what that entry was referring to--it's pretty hilarious💀
You bringing up the Hitoshi Doi webpage awakened old memories of mine. I remember going to his site a TON in the mid to late 90s when I was super into Sailor Moon as a kid - his site was a godsent of information for fans back then. Same with the VKLL fansubs. I still have tapes of their fansubs from Sailor Stars to this day.
I'm reminded that Batman and Martian Man Hunter read Sailor Moon.
I'm not sure on names but Martian shapeshifted to Rei and used her name I think? And Batman recognized it.
Saturn and Capricorn (the sign related to Saturn) if you study it deep enough, it's about death and destruction. Saturn in a birthday if you're pro enough, it can tell you about death and darkness in your life, too. It's complicated, but that's the gist. So no, Naoko wasn't wrong. She just happened to know more about these myths and how astrology functions in a chart. Naoko also uses references from hiduism and not only that, but she uses the chakra system and spiritual beliefs about them, similar to what is seen in ATLA. Also, Jupiter is included in vedic astrology, but the other planets were discovered later. This is why Jupiter is considered an "inner".
thank you for this, that's been driving me crazy since i discovered sailor moon
@@devonmmi YW ^^ and yes about Jupiter, this is also why Jupiter is sometimes used to represent Pisces as well, because Neptune hadn't yet been officially discovered.
Pluto is about destruction too, and rebirth - which Sailor Saturn goes through. Dutifully guarding the gates of time is also Saturnian - so is Pluto evoking Chronos as they have her do in Sailor Moon Crystal. i think there’s strong evidence Saturn and Pluto share astrological traits.
I think this has only been the second iceberg explained video I've ever listened to.
Until now, I am still devastated by the death of all the Inner Shenshin in Season 1. That has scared me forever.
I only ever started watching Sailor Moon last year (better late than never...) and those scenes still hit so hard.
"Also, Naru dies at the start of S." The hell? What version of the show did you watch? She makes an appearance in SuperS!
Probably meant metaphorically, since she’s largely written out of the plot after R.
I'd add an entry for the Anti-Sailor Moon online movement, which had its start in opposition to otaku Western Sailor Moon fans on the Usenet boards as early as 1992. It is notable among early online anti movements because instead of being some flash in the pan thing, it lasted in earnest for the life of the televised show--roughly from when it began in Japan in 1992 until it ceased to be aired in the US and Canada in/around 2005.
1:32:22 oh my god you unlocked a core memory of back when I used to read the fan-comics from that artist probably over a decade ago at this point!!! I completely forgot about it this whole time until I saw the comic here and instantly knew the art style holy crap
Why is the fate of the Tsukino family not discussed? What happened to them in the Crystal Millennium bothers me since I was a tiny kid.
My head-canon is that everyone in modern Tokyo are long gone, the gift of a long life was only given to the children that were born after Serenity reigned. Obviously this rule doesn't apply to the Guardians.
Considering the are partially based off of Naoko Takeuchi's family I think its safe to assume they are living happily during the Neo-Queen's reign. The Tsukino family gets forgotten a lot come to think of it, I believe Shingo isn't even drawn by Naoko again until a random art collection.
Yes, wouldn't Chibiusa recognize her uncle and grandparents? Or did they die long before because she's so old? How does it work! Bothered me so much.
@@sunshineyellow Chibiusa would easily recognize her family as they would not only be alive and well but would be virtually immortal due to the power of the Illusory Silver Crystal. So they would have looked virtually the same as they appear within the series proper.
@@sunshineyellow To be fair, Chibiusa didn't even recognize her own mother or father or any of the senshi in the past at first (in the anime, anyway), so I wouldn't count on her to recognize any of her other relatives. But yeah, I've also always wondered what happened to them. It especially bothered me in the manga where, after one scene in Stars in which Usagi asks her mother to take care of the cats for her right before she goes off to fight Galaxia, that's the last you ever see of her family. They don't even make a quick appearance at Usagi's *wedding!* Not even in the background or anything. That never did sit well with me.
I used to run BESM Sailor Moon, it's kind of a complicated and fun. As a GM I am the only one in my area.
I was an SOS: Save Our Sailors person, my friends at my high school, Dakota Ridge in Littleton Co, we tried to get a Sailor Moon Club, we also did get VKLL and we also did end up watching Sailor Moon in French because my French teacher couldn't find it.
this was a RIDE. a totally cool and normal way to spend my friday night. i thank and applaud you for all the effort put into this
Chibi-Usa's split timeline could also refer to her appearance in S, and the theory that originally the events of the season ended more tragically, prompting Neo Queen Serenity to send Chibi-Usa back in time in the hopes she'd alter the past. There is some possible evidence for this: when Sailor Moon gets the Holy Grail, hair barrettes instantly appear on Chibi Moon's head. I've seen speculation that in the original timeline, she never got the Holy Grail, and her getting it changed history, which is reflected by Chibi Moon's outfit changing slightly.
(That, or they just forgot to include the barrettes when they introduced her Sailor Soldier form, and this was just a convenient moment to add them)
Also, I'm surprised to see no entry for Goldfish Warning! It aired in the same timeslot as Sailor Moon the year before Sailor Moon's debut, and had a lot of the same creative staff, meaning the shows frequently have a similar look to them. There's a ton of references to Goldfish Warning throughout Sailor Moon's first season, perhaps the longest-running one being Usagi's chicken alarm clock. The shows also crossed over with each other, kind of, in video games like Panic in Nakayoshi World.
Creating the follow up video now and have quite a bit on Goldfish Warning and Magical Doremi, and do subscribe to my friend Haydenluvsanime who has a video about Goldfish Warning coming up soon, that will be mentioned here!
Wow, time flew by fast watching this. Great video!
35:22 I have thought that was Sailor Neptune for the longest time and I am so glad I'm not alone!
A smaller tidbit on the Irwin Dolls. Takeuchi has an author's note entry called "Naoko goes to America" where she describes going to an anime shop in New York and finding a bunch of bootleg sailor moon items lol as well as the Irwin dolls. She also describes the Sailor V doll's mouth as low and as "looking like some ancient Japanese woman". She notes that they all have moon sticks, but that the Beryl doll is the prettiest.
Thank you for posting this! I've been a fan of the Sailor Moon franchise since I was a four-year-old girl watching the show on Toonami. I did a deep dive into the series franchise in 2008 that involved reading the manga and watching the entire 200-episode anime, PGSM, and a lot of Sera Myu clips online. All of that said, I still learned quite a bit from this iceberg.
0:17 hey I know the person you’re talking about, that’s me. 😎
Very nice coverage of the iceberg 🔥
When Sailor Uranus shows up along with Neptune for the first time in the Manga, she wears a white Tuxedo Mask-esque outfit, implying that she has an alternate transformation.
thanks for this video, i've been hoping to see a new sailor moon iceberg for a while :)
Thank you so much for this video, it was really fun to watch!
Okay, I had to pause the video for a moment to say this. I've had the TTRPG book since it came out, and to this day have NEVER found a group willing to play. So sad. It's such a cool system. I'd love to play it one day.
This was really interesting and even as a long time Moonie, I discovered some new things to look into. :-) Thank you so much for making this!
I remember the Irwin Dolls, growing up in Canada. I had no idea they were actually licenced! They seem so bootleggy that even child me thought it was sus
I still have my Sailor Venus doll, she's looking worse for wear since I was a kid
The profile book is something similar that we used to have in 90s in Russia, it was sort of a scrapbooking project mixed with a handmade questionnaire for your friends. Very similar idea
The only thing I can think of is no one talks about how in the manga Pluto has darker skin tone than all the other sailors but when both animes came out she was much lighter than she was supposed to be.
Wow! Such an amazing video. I’ve been a fan ever since my older (straight) brother got me to watch the show one early summer morning on a satellite channel (on USA Network). There are so many things I didn’t know &/or hadn’t heard of. Thanks for going into such detail.
Wow this is so informative and I love all of these fun facts I didn't know about!! I haven't watched a RUclips video this long without getting bored in a LONG time!
...Kaworu was inspired by a trip the creator had with his male friend to a hot spring????? This is like a major Evangelion iceberg thing I had no idea about lol.
Have you never being on evageeks? People knew this since the 2000's
I learned something new. Thanks for the feature film length documentary!
;-; I’m so happy SOS Save Our Sailors made it on here!! Little child me who surfed the 90s internet blindly, owes a huge part of my first fandom experience to them.
Really loved it! Thanks for the video♥♥
I never knew misato and usagi shared the same voice actor and now I'll never be able to unsee misato as usagi
This was a joy to watch. Thank you for all the moonie knowledge :)
2 things that i'd add to the iceberg are 1) kaitou ace being the first person ever from the silver millennium (that we know of) to awaken and 2) sailor moon: the movie. with the first, we find out in codename sailor v that kaitou ace knew about his past life in the silver millennium quite some time before sailor v, who as we know, is the very first of the senshi to be awakened. i've always found it interesting that long before the senshi, the cats, or any other nobility, the character who is the first we know of to find out about his past identity was in his own words just "a lowly foot soldier" in his previous life. idk why, but it's sort of intriguing to me how a guy who was a random low-ranking soldier in the silver millennium and a villain working for a villain working for another villain working for another villain in his current life was the first one to remember his past life ahead of more relevant characters. as for the second point, sailor moon: the movie, is a low budget fanmade sailor moon movie with terrible acting, terrible special effects, and terrible casting. luna is played by a very confused cat who hadn't been trained, the backgrounds were obviously taken from google images, and the actors nearly all look too old for their roles, except for queen beryl, who looks too young. the creator has said he made it as a way to practice using special effects, and had no budget, equipment, or crew. despite this, everyone involved took the project very seriously and the film was as faithful to the source material as possible, resulting in it being somewhat charming even though it's so bad. it's up on youtube
About the sailor starlights, they dress as men because they were looking for their princess and thought a group of male idols would help (as women generally like these idols). I don’t think trans representation was intended as in the end they stay in their real form (female) and in the manga they didn’t even change gender, they just crossdress.
I honestly loved the Live action- it’s ridiculous but also super fun to watch. Great video!! ❤
I appreciate and thank you for taking your time to make this video! Very interesting! I will comment as I go, and sorry if this comment will be a wall of text ^^"
- Apparently Mamoru is actually 17 at the beginning of the anime, according to the drama CD. Appartently, he skipped one year along the way (school system in Japan is different)
- The Italian "twin sisters" thing came AFTER that bomboclat psychologist spoke, it was dubbed normally at first. The Starlights were presented as males that changed into females. As an Italian, I'm still pissed about it.
- Oh, the Nostaligia Critic video really upset me. If you think the senshi's transformations are "ipersexualized", let me tell you, you've got some issues man.
- About Saturn's and Pluto mithology mix up... Saturn in Japanese is dousei, which means "soil star" and Cronos (NOT Chronos) was the god of agriculture, that's why Saturn has her glaive. In fact her original color was supposed to be ocra, a yellowish brown. Also, it's not true that Takeuchi made the senshi in order of height, Uranus and Pluto are both taller than Jupiter, and Venus is shorter than Mercury.
- Yeeeah, episode 45 upset me too, holy shit. Especially because I managed to see episode 46 only, like, 10 years after the first airing because of school schedule. I literally skipped school (I was 18 at that point) to watch that episode when they eventually aired it again, just before the worldwide rights block.
- Ikuhara did Mamoru so dirty. He had 30 episodes to make Usagi's and Mamoru's relationship believable. Hence why PGSM is best canon.
- There is a transformation of Mamoru into Sailor Earth with the leotard and everything. You can check it out in my channel (shameless self promotion, sorry :V)
- Sailor Moon Another Story is so awesome, I want to make a manga about it so bad. Also, there is a new fan-translation recently released, I highly suggest to check that out!
- I subscribe to the split timeline simply because thare are certain things that happen in the past that do not reflect in the future. Clearly Neo Queen Serenity does not know about Galaxia rampaging the galaxy, but Sailor Cosmos remembers that time. It means that Neo Queen Serenity timeline will be probably destroyed by Chaos since they never reset the Cauldron, while in the other Chaos and Cosmos will fight for all eternity.
- I subscribe to the multiple Sailor Pluto theory too. The "past" one has died, when in Black Moon Arc uses the time stop, the present one has born in our time and it's the one with Uranus and Neptune, and the future one (Super form) has taken the place at the door. They all share their memories though.
- I like the Phantom Silver Crystal better because phantom crystals actually exist.
- Chibi Chibi doesn't ask Sailor Moon for help, quite the contrary, she was there to help her past self decide to actually destroy the Cauldron. Eternal Sailor Moon, though, tells her that if she did, stars would stop borning, and until stars shine, they cannot lose. She therefore make the same Choice as Cosmos', to reset the cauldron - so it's implied that Chaos will eventually come back and kill everybody leaving only Usagi as Sailor Cosmos to fight against her.
- The Moon fairy was just Diana, as Diana the cat has yet to be invented. The fairy was supposed to guide the senshi in the Moon ruins and then presumably go back to Earth with them.
... I think I wrote a biiit too much and I'm still on minute 45. Welp.
Ahahaha thank you for your comment! You're right on a lot of that and I need to see this Sailor Earth transformation...
Ok, I finally finished the video and I have to add a couple things (hoping that you don't mind of course!)
- About Crystal Tokio dystopia, you might want to read the fanfiction "I'm here to help". It's awesome, and really capture the feeling of dread those unwilling to submit to Serenity had to endure. One of my favourite pieces in the Sailor Moon fandom.
- Actually Tuxedo mask does transform in the manga, more than once. The most notable, is the one in the Dream arc, after coming back from Elysion.
- ... There is also an art with Ikuhara and Mars naked together floating around, uh.
- The timeline in the original anime is all over the place. When Usagi turns 15 (episode 101) it's supposed to be only two months in since the beginning of the series, since the school year starts in April in Japan and Usagi's birthday is in June .-.
- Oooooh, I love that game for PC Engine! "Koisuru otome wa makenai" and "Onaji hoshi ni umareta" are absolutely stunning songs. ... And as a shitennouxsenshi shipper I cannot not appreciate the small NephritexJupiter bit
@@clearandsweet No man, THANK YOU for your hard work on this, I enjoyed this video very much and I'll be happy to check more of your content :)
@@Starseed86 About Usagi's age in her birthday episode in S - this is incorrect, as S takes place during the school year following Classic/R. I'm pretty sure there is a Tuxedo Unmasked article about this. You can see the senshi studying for high school entrance exams all through S (which only 3rd year middle school students would do), and SuperS takes place at the end of that school year and into winter/spring break prior to Stars (which is why the senshi are mostly not seen in their school uniforms during SuperS!).
@@oddlazdo It's kinda confusing though, to be honest. Even if she rounds up her age and actually turns fourteen after the start of the series (Classic), there's still the problem is that she should've have a birthday in R too, since we have an hanami episode (51) and then a summer episode (67). If she turns fourteen then (between these episodes I mean), it means that the R starts when she's still in first year and the ginzuishou actually brought her back earlier than the standard series start.
Thank you for making this interesting and informative video!!💖 1:01:31 IDK if anyone has already pointed out. In the Sailor Stars Sailor Neptune single, the prologue mentions Michiru had had a dream of apocalypse repeatedly, then the memory of her previous life awakened💚
Thank you so much for such an amazing video. I am still watching and I don’t know if anyone has mentioned, but the tuxedo mask transformation, refers to his kind of mock transformation that is shown only once in the live action Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon. You can find the video here in RUclips
love this sailormoon iceberg!! thanks a lot for doing this!
also that mamoru in the speedo looks like a diper.
As someone who lives in jakarta, the creepy sailor moon statue was EVERYWHERE in random malls in varying levels of creepiness, though i don't remember it being THAT bad. There was also a mini sailor moon ride version I used to go on when I was 3. This video just unlocked a core memory in me. Anyway, i don't think I've seen one in a long time, but it's probably still somewhere out there traumatizing some kids.
I feel so called out by your intro.. I don't know why I watch deep dives of things I don't know much about. 😂😭😂
This was an absolutely amazing watch. Thanks so much for all the effort for us moonies.
This was fun and I thank you for you hardwork :)
My favorite Tuxedo Kamen transformation is from the live action web shorts when he transforms with a bandaid, lol... good times!
Очень надеюсь, что ледовое шоу с Медведевой будет проходить и на ее родине, я бы точно пошла. Мне уже 35, но я продолжаю любить это аниме нежной любовью, что порой кажется самой себе немного странным из-за возраста. Приятно знать, что у SM столько поклонников по всему миру до сих пор, что я не одна такая =) Впервые смотрела в 99 или в нулевых, тогда же пришло и массовое увлечение тематикой сериала: мы собирали наклейки, пазлы, брелки, вырезки из журналов, создавались первые фан-сайты, девочки изучали японский, чтобы переводить мангу и японские источники. Тогда мало у кого из детей были компьютеры, поэтому мы ходили в библиотеки, где можно было час-два пользоваться интернетом бесплатно. Забавно, что с учетом нынешних наших законов и цензуре, озвучка редко страдает. В переводе Sailormoon в первом сезоне ее звали Bunny, в остальных Usagi. Надеюсь, когда-нибудь выйдет 6s или история о Лунном королевстве и первой жизни воинов, желательно в старой рисовке. Из ролика я узнала, что маловероятно мне бы понравилась SM, если бы ее создавала только Наоко. Ами - киборг!? Watched with subtitles and translation, my English is bad (from troubles and sorrows).
So I have a few extra points here:
As far as a few of things to add to the iceberg:
1. "Sailor Moon Abridged" which was a parody series created by Corine "Megami33" Sudberg. She was/is closely involved with Team Four Star and featured prominently in both their DBZA and Hellsing Ultimate Abridged series.
2. In the PGSM Live Action series, Minako is a idol who has a hit song called "C'est La Vie" which sounds a lot like "Sailor V" to Western ears.
3. Haruka and Michiru relationship being explained away as they were "cousins" in the original NA Dub. (Similar to Makoto's "talent.")
4. "Sailor Stars" both deviating from the previous seasons naming conventions and having a completely different opening theme. ("Sailor Star Song" vs. "Moonlight Densetsu.")
Now for a couple of corrections and additions:
1:09:47 "The Moonie Code:" This is actually far more connected to "The Geek Code" created by Robert Hayden during his time as a student at Mankato State University in Mankato, Minnesota. The Moonie Code is a direct "reskinning" of the original version. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek_Code (Also, I went to school there at the same time and was part of the Role-Playing Student Organization that he was a prominent member of.)
1:16:00 "PGSM Actors and Porn:" Aya Sugimoto, who played Queen Beryl in PGSM also started in the adult films "Flower and Snake" (Hana to Hebi) and it's sequel "Flower and Snake 2." Now, I don't know if they would be considered full on pron. But they do easily fit in the term "Ecchi." It is far more "Hard Core" and Japanese take on stuff like "50 Shades of Grey."
I have the vkll vhs fan subs for sailor moon s onward! So glad someone remembers it … they were the best! Spent a whole summer watching them in 99.