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Please never stop making these kind of comparison videos. Whether it's cameras, lenses, MacBooks, iPhones, headphones. You bros just make the best content by far! I've got the 14" M1 Max MBP and damn I've wanted a video like this just out of curiosity of where the new machines are (not wanting to upgrade any time soon, so hoping the gains won't make me too jealous), and this video just nailed exactly what I wanted to learn, from audio production to video, web dev and battery life... anyway, just thanks for the great work 🙏🏻
3:04 M2 is 22.7% faster than M1 Max. M4 Max is 21.4% faster than M3 Max. Tech press reaction to M2: "meh not worth it" Tech press reaction to M3: "OMG this is a REAL upgrade!" 😅 On another note, my 7950X desktop got 25.4 in Speedometer 3 while my M3 Max laptop got 37. apple silicon is FAST
It’s about time the M5 max base line keeps same cpu core count but add 10 more GPU cores. Then have a M5 max with 2 more p cores and 60 GPU cores because it’s going to have to keep up with 50 series laptops.
Yes if you can find a great discounted deal. This one is brand new and $760 OFF for the exact model tested: geni.us/LFHRmNA Pretty good deal unless you want to maximize performance.
Most likely because you already have it and trying to make yourself happy by typing the comment! See we are all happy at one time and sooner or later something comes out that is faster and better.
@@crazycomments8038 Absolutely. More value means just that - more performance per dollar, if you can find a good deal, of course. Other than that, the newest is almost always the best. M5 is not too far away either 😁
@@crazycomments8038it’s okay to not buy the fastest. We all have our own use cases and budgets. In 2022 I went with a secondhand 2021 mbp14 16/512. It’s immensely fast for my relatively basic needs. I was upgrading from a 2013 rmbp13 8/512. I could have bought a M2 Pro but it wasn’t worth it for me.
@@peterc4082 well, it depends on what you need a MacBook for. If for performances at the benchmarking Olympiad, then of course M4Max. But if for daily use in real life, then in terms of price/performance ratio for 3000+ presidents, the new M3Max is a great choice.
Same here. I was pissed when I found out right after purchasing my M3 Max that the M4 was going to be built on 3 nanometer architecture. Glad to see it doesn’t matter that much.
These kind of tests and comparisons are helpful, thank you! M2 and especially M3 owners are still doing fine, but being a 24c/32GB M1 Max owner, even the upgrade to the 20c/48GB M4 Pro could be worthwhile… otherwise I take the 32c M4 Max (I never go for the unbinned Max because I prefer less heat and fan noise).
@@Skaratak sorry, can’t agree on that, ‘cause some big projects can eat up to 20gb only in IDE, docker can eat even more, etc so, my optimal ram size is 64+gb, but for casual users 48 would be enough for the next 4-5 years i think
Would love to see some local LLMs as tests as well as local image generation. These unified memory systems can do a lot of local stuff with larger models.
im currently using M1 macbook air and still fast enough and pretty good battery life me as a teacher. hope this M1 can serve me well for another 3-5 years
For everyone commenting on how noisy the fans are.. he literally said the macs are in high power mode where the fans run pretty much all the time. 🤷♂️
Still interesting to mention, my M1's fan is virtually inaudible, even in high performance mode, under any workload. Fan noise is a considerable factor when judging performance and upgrading
Sure. The M4 is clocked a lot higher with more power going through it and it has to be cooled. But you’ll have to push the mac to heat it up to run the fans. It’s not going to sound like a 4090 browsing the web. If sound is that important wait for a Mac Studio. But also - you have to get things done slower until then. 🤷♂️ not everyone needs that high end performance. It’s no shame to not need a formula one car to get groceries. For me I just started shooting 8K 60p VR clips for Vision Pro and 30 seconds takes 5hrs to render on an M1 Max so I’ll gladly take all the noise to speed that up. My fully loaded M4 Max 128GB comes this week.
To each their own...I will not buy a Max chip in a laptop...14" or 16". Especially the 14". Too noisy for me . Mac Studio = good move. I want a laptop that I can actually have on my lap. :)
@@FirstLast-jd2ql I wanted the GPU power and the fastest CPU for photoshop. I often run Photoshop with numerous multi-gigabyte files open, illustrator, Lightroom, Ableton live with a massive electronic song with tons of synths playing while I work (I make music and often have it looping while I am doing my design work), sublime text, Safari with many many tabs, codekit, mail, discord, messages, notes, calendar, GitHub desktop, and a bunch of other apps running. I’m often using all the RAM I have which is 64GB. The max is perfect for me because it allows me the balance of GPU, memory and CPU that I need. The Pro wouldn’t cut it. The reality is that I probably hit the resources in bursts and not like a stress test like Cinebench.
@@scott-richardson Every person uses their hardware differently. If you haven't heard the fans then you don't push your system. Many creators who do blender work, Code compilation etc that push the CPU to it's limits will routinely hear the fans. The apps you use a light-weight.
Per Apple's published battery life for the Max MacBook Pros - The M3 max actually DOES have a longer battery life than the M4 Max (22 hours vs 21 hours of video streaming).
Great stuff. I only buy new Macs after Maxtech tests. Please show us the Low Power mode performance on the M4 max along with battery and thermals 🙏🙏🙏 Thank you very much for all the hard work you do
Would love to see how low power mode impacts the M4 Max performance, as it had quite low impact on the M3 but I read somewhere the difference is higher on the M4. Also, nobody seems to test these beasts in clamshell mode :( This would allow me to work in 'silent mode' if I so chose to.
I would love a video like that with the base M1, M2, M3 and M4, even comparing the base model macbook air m1 with 8gb to the macbook pro m4 base model, I would love to see if the jump in performance is THAT big
@@redesignedlife777ik mate, my current macbook air m1 is struggling with graphic design stuff, not in regards to the m1 itself, cause the m1 is still really good even 4 years later, but I would like to upgrade to the M4 with at least 16gb of ram and would like to see the actual improvement from the base air from 4 years ago.
Thank You for this great video I have been limping my mid 2015 MBP along and I have finally pulled the trigger on a 16" M1max why I can get a huge drive for less money than the upgrade cost on an M4 max. Keeping my images close and fast was my biggest concern. Watching the speed comparison shows me none of these machines are a slouch. Apple Silicon is truly amazing!
For most people, I would not recommend upgrading at all if you have M1 or M2 Pro/Max. Own and use your machine for at least 4-5 years, or even longer before you upgrade. I still have an Intel 16-Inch Macbook pro with an i9 and I'm still happy with it and I see no reason to upgrade at all. Maybe I'll wait until M6/M7 or until I stop getting security updates.
It depends on your workload. The only people who shouldn't upgrade are M3 Max/M3 Pro owners......M1/M2 Max to M3 Max has a huge CPU jump, from 8P cores to 12P Cores, Raytracing cores which doubles or triples rendering performance in applications that take advantage of them. Also 128GB option......M3 Max in low power mode matches the performance of M2 Max while using significantly less power....great for those who work on battery power........M3 Max to M4 Max is just modest CPU and GPU Gains (20 to 25%) plus thunderbolt 5 & Centerstage camera......but some reviewers have shown that the GPU on the M4 Max is as high as 50% faster for games.
highly depends on usecase. I'm buying the M4 max because my M2 air is slow to render upscaled 4k animations, which I do all day long. the upgrade is absolutely worth it. I'd be slowed down consderable if I tried to use an i9 it'd make my workflow a joke. but to your point, most macbook pro users aren't pro users.
Was really hoping to learn more about Final Cut performance improvements in timeline editing, and exporting with optimised media. But thank you for everything you provided in this video. 👍🏻
Could you do a video editing test with M4,Pro and Max? use Final Cut Pro and Resolve at least? but use 4K and 8K video and all the RAW formats? Please?
It's the high power mode to theorically draw more power to your Mac. It's only compatible with M1 Max and M2 Max 16" Macbook Pro's; M3 Max 14" and 16" Macbook Pro's; M2 Mac mini, M3 iMacs, and all M4/Pro/Max macs: MBP, mac mini, iMac. If you don't have any of this devices, unfortunately you don't have this feature.
If it continues like this we will end up like laptops, all advantages will disappear. we have doubled in performance we have practically doubled in consumption
I really like how you didn’t start off with video editing benchmarks. Most reviewers naturally do that because they edit videos, but most consumers don’t care about that. As a developer, I liked the Xcode and raw CPU/GPU benches.
So basically for most uses that I do final cut Lightroom and Photoshop. I would save a few minutes going from a M1 max to the M4 max not worth it. In my opinion I will go get a cuppa coffee.
When Apple launched M1 Max, I wasn't impressed by the performance, but by the efficiency. High performance combined with silent fans and low consumption compared with the Intel machines. Two years later we are back at old Intel levels: high consumption, hot chips with thermal throttling and maxxed out fans. Good job, Tim Apple.
The fan will only turn on this much during exporting videos, Pictures or 3d Projects. While working on projects the fan will likely still be very quiet. Since the M4 Max is about 4.5 times faster in 3D rendering compared to the M1 Max it will be a difference between Rendering a Shot for 8 Hours over night with no fan noise or rendering for 1h 45min before going to bed with a noisy fan. I personally would take the second option in a heartbeat.
I do not understand the chart at 24:22. Can someone explain it to me? which one has the best performance per watt? If i understand correctly, the M2 max gives the most amount of fps per watt? 149fps/50w
i upgraded from m1 max to m4 pro, using buy back to make it cheap. tho i didnt get to do some of the tests, im a little concerned about encoding, and i have 24gb ram now instead of 32. any thoughts or video on this comparison
Still keeping my 16 M1 Pro till they do the refresh. While it would be nice to have the jump from the M1 to the M4, I can hold out for a few more years till they bring that refresh.
@@oriionartist8011 it’s less than a minute faster in most tests. Things like multi core performance etc all depends if the software is written to utilize them efficiently
I upgraded from an intel i9 16" MBP to an M3 Max 16" MBP 16/40/64GB/2TB in May. I got the machine from Apple Refurb for a £800 saving. The M4 was rumoured to smash the M3 in everything. Good to see that most of the tests showed the M4 Max had negligible improvements over the M3 Max especially considering those improvements could just be down to the CPU cores in M4 being 20% faster (4.5Ghz vs 4Ghz). It would seem that a discounted M3 Max is a brilliant option, and I can recommend Apple Refurb as I've bought many things from there without issue.
"Good to see that most of the tests showed the M4 Max had negligible improvements over the M3 Max " Why is that good? To justify your purchase in your head?
I upgraded from the m1 max to the m4 max for 1 job not mentioned in this video. And that is the time to train machine learning algorithms. You can spends hours, even days training a model. The performance differences I'm seeing are pretty large. Yes, you could just get a GPU and a desktop windows machine to train models on. But I'm on the go a lot, so it's not the most practical. Just an FYI, python, JavaScript, and typescript are the 3 most common languages used today. All 3 are interpreted languages, (ran on the fly, no compiling) so "compile times" are a useless metric for most developers today. If you want to setup a machine learning training test, I'd be happy to help you set one up.
I want to see the MacBook M4 Pro with 24GB RAM versus the M1 Max with 32GB RAM. Does the reduced RAM make a real difference due to the system component advances? It’s not possible to go from the base 24GB to 32GB, only a big price jump to 48GB, or back to buying the MAX again to get the 36GB.
Got the M3 Max 40 Cores and was kind of thinking about the M4 Max even if I shouldn't. This test helps me a lot to stick with my M3 Max and wait for an Upgrade where I get the watt usage or better cooling like with the M2 Max but also a better performance. I noticed it already with the M3 Max how loud and hot it gets. I will upgrade when they fix it and also fix their RTX cores to be like RDNA 4 RTX cores to RDNA 2 cores, just a huge improvement. Also still waiting for tandem OLED for the MBP.
Thunderbolt 5 ports showing in your hardware profile??? I purchased a MB Pro 16 Max and ports are showing as Thunderbolt 4. Went to Apple Store and checked their M4 Pro and Max machines…all showed Thunderbolt 4 ports in hardware. Apple Store staff baffled. Had no answers. Please advise!
00:04 - The M4 Max MacBook Pro offers significant performance improvements over previous models. 02:15 - M4 Max demonstrates significant performance improvements over M1, M2, and M3 Max models. 04:17 - M4 Max shows significant performance improvements over M1, M2, and M3 Max. 06:37 - M4 Max offers significant power gains but only modest FPS improvement. 09:03 - M4 Max shows significant performance improvements but also experiences throttling under stress. 11:10 - M4 Max fans run significantly louder and consume more power than previous models. 13:35 - M4 Max significantly outperforms previous models in CPU rendering and photo editing. 15:54 - The M4 Max outperforms predecessors despite CPU throttling issues. 18:04 - Battery performance varies significantly among M1, M2, M3, and M4 Max models. 20:02 - M4 Max shows notable performance improvements in specific tasks over earlier models. 22:06 - M4 Max shows significant gains over M1/M2, but minimal upgrade from M3 Max. 23:55 - The M3 Max offers exceptional value compared to older models.
Quick question: if I’m someone who maybe uses there laptop maybe 15% of the year outside, do you still think the nano texture display is worth it or should I just save my money? It’s just something I keep going back and forth about!
Awesome to see the performance gains in the M4, but having an M1 Pro, I don’t have the need for it to be faster. What I really need is more Storage! I have the base one, and if I upgrade, I really don’t get what I want without spending a lot of money. Sure it is faster but will have the same problem. Finding a great deal for a M1/M2 Max with at least 2TB and 64gb, is the kind of upgrade/crossgrade that makes more sense to me right now.
I’ve been working with Fuji RAW files through LR for years, and I’ve always been frustrated with the slow import, preview, and export times. I use an M1 Max with 64GB RAM and a 32-core GPU. Yesterday, I worked with Nikon RAW files, and the difference was staggering-it felt like I was using a completely new machine. My takeaway? The M1 Max is an absolute powerhouse, but the bottleneck clearly lies elsewhere.
My 14 inch had slightly better performance than the 16 in the vid. Yes you can hear fans but its not like a windows device with fans - here are my scores M4 Max 16 cores, 12 Performance. 40 core GPU Single 178 10 min throttle Multi 2009 10 min throttle Gpu 16712 10 min throttle
For the Lightroom test you could also make a lot of editing on one photo, also using some ai masks, and time the pasting of all the edit on, say, 50 other photos and then time creating new 1:1 previews of all the 50 photos.
@@MaxTechOfficialwould be great if you could include those results as well, please. They are much more real life use, as rendering happens most of the time without sitting in front of the machine, but pasting settings means waiting to continue the work…
Am I correct in assuming that if the m4 max would do the maximum the m1 max could handle, the m4 max would have less fan noise? and so it's only a loud laptop when doing things the other chips can't even do?
Yes pretty much. Cinebench forces 100% CPU workload. Logic Pro gets pretty close to 100% but that's with tons of tracks. Even Lightroom photo editing was limited by memory bandwidth Those Final Cut Pro tests were limited by the encoders, so no loud fans there. Blender uses mostly GPU so not enough power to spin up fans too much.
Awesome video guys! Thank you for testing the unbinned Maxes, now of course I need to go compare them to the Pro, but I bet you'll do a video comparing them all.
Hey there, thanks for your efforts you put into all this testing, highly appreciated! May I ask if we'll see a comparison between the M4 Pro and M3 Max (16") ? That'd be interesting for video editors.
as the newer macbooks got louder due to thermal? How do they perform in energy saving mode? For me it is a big feature that my m1 pro is quiet at all the time, compared to my m3 where the fans spin up frequently while i code.
Would love to see the comparison between m3 max vs m4 pro. I got a good deal for m3 max over m4 pro but wondering if m4 pro is faster than m3 max with all the cores running….
@Max Tech - From my internal testing I found DaVinci Resolve to export faster with the same test you made on FCP 11 (specifically Resolve 19.1) - can you do Resolve export tests? Would love to see how Resolve performs on the M1/M2/M3/M4 Max too. Thanks :)
I just got an almost brand new 32c m1 max 16 inch 32 gigs, 2tb for about 1700 USD. pressed the buy button in an instant. upgrading from average 5 years old acer swift 3. Hope I'll love it!
I hope that you do a teardown of the M4 Max so that we can see if that fusion connector is on the chip. I upgraded from a 2015 Intel i7 MacBook Pro to a 16” M4 Max with maxed out memory, SSD, and CPU/GPU. I’m loving the upgrade! I wanted to wait until I felt that Apple Silicon had matured, and the M4 seemed like it did.
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PLEASE DO THIS EXACT SAME TEST WITH M1 Pro, M2 Pro, M3 Pro & M4 Pro (unbinned) ! PLEASE!
I second that
its not necessary, just go for the most performance cores you can afford and stop wasting time.
this
@@godsinbox I want to see……. Don’t tell me what’s “not necessary” ???
I need this
“Holy smokes” count: 37
we need a holy smokes graph from each review.
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Merch idea?!
I'd buy that merch 😂
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Yep still keeping my M1 Pro machine, still a beast today when it comes to real world performance.
Brokie
Am with you on that.
hey, if it is working for you and you aren't getting stutters, freezes just keep getting the value out of your current machine 💪
@@adlee5943 nothing "Broke" about deciding to keep your money and not hand over $3K every year to Tim Cook. It's called SMART
@@adlee5943it's not that serious dude
Please never stop making these kind of comparison videos. Whether it's cameras, lenses, MacBooks, iPhones, headphones. You bros just make the best content by far! I've got the 14" M1 Max MBP and damn I've wanted a video like this just out of curiosity of where the new machines are (not wanting to upgrade any time soon, so hoping the gains won't make me too jealous), and this video just nailed exactly what I wanted to learn, from audio production to video, web dev and battery life... anyway, just thanks for the great work 🙏🏻
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3:04 M2 is 22.7% faster than M1 Max. M4 Max is 21.4% faster than M3 Max. Tech press reaction to M2: "meh not worth it" Tech press reaction to M3: "OMG this is a REAL upgrade!" 😅 On another note, my 7950X desktop got 25.4 in Speedometer 3 while my M3 Max laptop got 37. apple silicon is FAST
i believe m3 is the first one with ray tracing, so there’s your real upgrade.
It’s about time the M5 max base line keeps same cpu core count but add 10 more GPU cores.
Then have a M5 max with 2 more p cores and 60 GPU cores because it’s going to have to keep up with 50 series laptops.
OK, so basically M3 max is the best value now.
Yes if you can find a great discounted deal.
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Pretty good deal unless you want to maximize performance.
Most likely because you already have it and trying to make yourself happy by typing the comment! See we are all happy at one time and sooner or later something comes out that is faster and better.
@@crazycomments8038 Absolutely. More value means just that - more performance per dollar, if you can find a good deal, of course. Other than that, the newest is almost always the best. M5 is not too far away either 😁
@@crazycomments8038it’s okay to not buy the fastest. We all have our own use cases and budgets. In 2022 I went with a secondhand 2021 mbp14 16/512. It’s immensely fast for my relatively basic needs. I was upgrading from a 2013 rmbp13 8/512.
I could have bought a M2 Pro but it wasn’t worth it for me.
@@crazycomments8038m4 max isn't that much faster. That's why he said that.
I'm glad that I bought m3 max earlier this year, it seems like it's much more balanced between heat and performance.
Configuration and pric ??
COPE! Just kidding i just bought a USED M3 Max 16" w/ 64GB Memory, it's so fast.
@@kalef1234 But beaten in Geekbench by base M4. M3 Max = single core about 3000 and M4 base is about 4000.
@@peterc4082 well, it depends on what you need a MacBook for. If for performances at the benchmarking Olympiad, then of course M4Max. But if for daily use in real life, then in terms of price/performance ratio for 3000+ presidents, the new M3Max is a great choice.
Same here. I was pissed when I found out right after purchasing my M3 Max that the M4 was going to be built on 3 nanometer architecture. Glad to see it doesn’t matter that much.
So it was the right decision to buy an M3 Max 40Core at the beginning of the year. A little more balanced and the performance is still brilliant.
You guys deserve a public service award for this one! Great job!
Your videos are the best in English RUclips segment! Keep going!
When you say, "overhead" you mean "headroom." And, the M4 encoder is faster because its clock speed is faster than the previous chips.
These kind of tests and comparisons are helpful, thank you! M2 and especially M3 owners are still doing fine, but being a 24c/32GB M1 Max owner, even the upgrade to the 20c/48GB M4 Pro could be worthwhile… otherwise I take the 32c M4 Max (I never go for the unbinned Max because I prefer less heat and fan noise).
i’d prefer more ram (48+gb) which unfortunately is not available on unbinned max cpu, 36gb is too close to be not enough in near future
@@Skaratak sorry, can’t agree on that, ‘cause some big projects can eat up to 20gb only in IDE, docker can eat even more, etc
so, my optimal ram size is 64+gb, but for casual users 48 would be enough for the next 4-5 years i think
@@mokeev1995 For casual users 16GB is enough for 5-6 y.
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Would love to see some local LLMs as tests as well as local image generation. These unified memory systems can do a lot of local stuff with larger models.
I second this. The Draw Things app would be a really good test for image generation.
Good idea.
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im currently using M1 macbook air and still fast enough and pretty good battery life me as a teacher. hope this M1 can serve me well for another 3-5 years
Thanks so much for including us music professionals! 😊
Please compare M4 Pro 14/20 vs M3 Max 14/32. It should be an interesting battle.
@@Skaratak I’m waiting for 16” M4 pro 48/512 and 16” M3 Max 36/1tb. Right now there’s a $100 difference between the two.
@@abdurrahmankhan129 Same here. Did you decide on which one to go for?
For everyone commenting on how noisy the fans are.. he literally said the macs are in high power mode where the fans run pretty much all the time. 🤷♂️
Still interesting to mention, my M1's fan is virtually inaudible, even in high performance mode, under any workload.
Fan noise is a considerable factor when judging performance and upgrading
Sure. The M4 is clocked a lot higher with more power going through it and it has to be cooled. But you’ll have to push the mac to heat it up to run the fans. It’s not going to sound like a 4090 browsing the web.
If sound is that important wait for a Mac Studio. But also - you have to get things done slower until then. 🤷♂️ not everyone needs that high end performance. It’s no shame to not need a formula one car to get groceries.
For me I just started shooting 8K 60p VR clips for Vision Pro and 30 seconds takes 5hrs to render on an M1 Max so I’ll gladly take all the noise to speed that up. My fully loaded M4 Max 128GB comes this week.
To each their own...I will not buy a Max chip in a laptop...14" or 16". Especially the 14". Too noisy for me . Mac Studio = good move. I want a laptop that I can actually have on my lap. :)
I have used an M3 max all year with heavy multitasking and never, ever heard the fans!
@@scott-richardson so what you are basically saying is you are not making the use of your mac. You should've not bought the max then
@@FirstLast-jd2ql I wanted the GPU power and the fastest CPU for photoshop. I often run Photoshop with numerous multi-gigabyte files open, illustrator, Lightroom, Ableton live with a massive electronic song with tons of synths playing while I work (I make music and often have it looping while I am doing my design work), sublime text, Safari with many many tabs, codekit, mail, discord, messages, notes, calendar, GitHub desktop, and a bunch of other apps running. I’m often using all the RAM I have which is 64GB. The max is perfect for me because it allows me the balance of GPU, memory and CPU that I need. The Pro wouldn’t cut it. The reality is that I probably hit the resources in bursts and not like a stress test like Cinebench.
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@@scott-richardson Every person uses their hardware differently. If you haven't heard the fans then you don't push your system. Many creators who do blender work, Code compilation etc that push the CPU to it's limits will routinely hear the fans. The apps you use a light-weight.
Can you do an M4 max versus the M4 pro
Re: 20% faster in Blender, this is huge when you are rendering animations.
Still paying for my M3 😂😂😂
When is the video on M4 Pro binned vs unbinned coming? Have been waiting for that since MacBook announcement
The clock speed throttling was probably affected by the colour of the laptops…black laptops overheat faster especially when under bright lights..
Per Apple's published battery life for the Max MacBook Pros - The M3 max actually DOES have a longer battery life than the M4 Max (22 hours vs 21 hours of video streaming).
Great stuff. I only buy new Macs after Maxtech tests. Please show us the Low Power mode performance on the M4 max along with battery and thermals 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you very much for all the hard work you do
Would like to see a comparison between the 16” M4 Pro 48/512 and the 16” M3 Max 36/1tb. Thinking about buying one of them.
Would love to see how low power mode impacts the M4 Max performance, as it had quite low impact on the M3 but I read somewhere the difference is higher on the M4.
Also, nobody seems to test these beasts in clamshell mode :(
This would allow me to work in 'silent mode' if I so chose to.
I would love a video like that with the base M1, M2, M3 and M4, even comparing the base model macbook air m1 with 8gb to the macbook pro m4 base model, I would love to see if the jump in performance is THAT big
8gb ram is obsolete at this point
@@redesignedlife777ik mate, my current macbook air m1 is struggling with graphic design stuff, not in regards to the m1 itself, cause the m1 is still really good even 4 years later, but I would like to upgrade to the M4 with at least 16gb of ram and would like to see the actual improvement from the base air from 4 years ago.
@@redesignedlife777 Yes but that would be a good comparison of the base models that were sold for the same price.
If M3 Pro hadn’t been nerfed so hard last gen I probably would have gotten it. Ended up with an M3 Max. This year’s M4 pro is a much better value.
Thank You for this great video I have been limping my mid 2015 MBP along and I have finally pulled the trigger on a 16" M1max why I can get a huge drive for less money than the upgrade cost on an M4 max. Keeping my images close and fast was my biggest concern. Watching the speed comparison shows me none of these machines are a slouch. Apple Silicon is truly amazing!
M4 max in low power mode vs M2 or M1 max in normal mode?
The SSD read/write speeds are significantly faster on the M4 if you upgrade the storage amount.
For most people, I would not recommend upgrading at all if you have M1 or M2 Pro/Max. Own and use your machine for at least 4-5 years, or even longer before you upgrade. I still have an Intel 16-Inch Macbook pro with an i9 and I'm still happy with it and I see no reason to upgrade at all. Maybe I'll wait until M6/M7 or until I stop getting security updates.
It depends on your workload. The only people who shouldn't upgrade are M3 Max/M3 Pro owners......M1/M2 Max to M3 Max has a huge CPU jump, from 8P cores to 12P Cores, Raytracing cores which doubles or triples rendering performance in applications that take advantage of them. Also 128GB option......M3 Max in low power mode matches the performance of M2 Max while using significantly less power....great for those who work on battery power........M3 Max to M4 Max is just modest CPU and GPU Gains (20 to 25%) plus thunderbolt 5 & Centerstage camera......but some reviewers have shown that the GPU on the M4 Max is as high as 50% faster for games.
highly depends on usecase. I'm buying the M4 max because my M2 air is slow to render upscaled 4k animations, which I do all day long. the upgrade is absolutely worth it. I'd be slowed down consderable if I tried to use an i9 it'd make my workflow a joke. but to your point, most macbook pro users aren't pro users.
WTF is wrong with you😂 now upgrade, next video stop i was wrong🤦♂️
Yep that seems to be his MO
Was really hoping to learn more about Final Cut performance improvements in timeline editing, and exporting with optimised media. But thank you for everything you provided in this video. 👍🏻
Could you do a video editing test with M4,Pro and Max? use Final Cut Pro and Resolve at least? but use 4K and 8K video and all the RAW formats? Please?
I’ve had a Mac for almost 4 years now… WHAT is that energy mode selector 0:25 ??
It's the high power mode to theorically draw more power to your Mac. It's only compatible with M1 Max and M2 Max 16" Macbook Pro's; M3 Max 14" and 16" Macbook Pro's; M2 Mac mini, M3 iMacs, and all M4/Pro/Max macs: MBP, mac mini, iMac. If you don't have any of this devices, unfortunately you don't have this feature.
@ dang. I have a 2021 16" M1 Pro 😭 didn’t realize it was only for max
@@Mariioo28 I feel you mate, I have the M2 max 14” (which doesn’t have the feature either) :(
If it continues like this we will end up like laptops, all advantages will disappear. we have doubled in performance we have practically doubled in consumption
Will you create an M4 Max ram comparison with 64gb and 128gb ram? We need one review for that :)
15:26 is it possible to download the Lightroom catalogue so we can compare it on our own machine?
You can buy M1 Max in a pretty good price now, do someone know how it compares to M4 pro, because I don’t have a budget for M4 Max
I really like how you didn’t start off with video editing benchmarks. Most reviewers naturally do that because they edit videos, but most consumers don’t care about that. As a developer, I liked the Xcode and raw CPU/GPU benches.
This is the reference channel on RUclips when it comes to Macs! Now do Mac Mini M4 Pro 24GB vs 48GB RAM I really want to see that 😂
Great test! Thank you for always testing Logic Pro! It is our main concern for music people. I will go for the 14” M4 Pro 14c cpu 20c gpu
So basically for most uses that I do final cut Lightroom and Photoshop. I would save a few minutes going from a M1 max to the M4 max not worth it. In my opinion I will go get a cuppa coffee.
How about sticking a thermal paste in it to fix its throttling issue?
When Apple launched M1 Max, I wasn't impressed by the performance, but by the efficiency. High performance combined with silent fans and low consumption compared with the Intel machines. Two years later we are back at old Intel levels: high consumption, hot chips with thermal throttling and maxxed out fans. Good job, Tim Apple.
Are you seriously upset/surprised that there hasn’t been unlimited exponential growth ?
Huh? The new chips are much more efficient than the m1
Huh? On normal usages you'll never hear the fans
You're just a hater now for no blatant reason,
These machines are the best in the world
The fan will only turn on this much during exporting videos, Pictures or 3d Projects. While working on projects the fan will likely still be very quiet. Since the M4 Max is about 4.5 times faster in 3D rendering compared to the M1 Max it will be a difference between Rendering a Shot for 8 Hours over night with no fan noise or rendering for 1h 45min before going to bed with a noisy fan. I personally would take the second option in a heartbeat.
You guys need The Schwarzenegger 2.0
Hahaha yes that would’ve been useful
True 😂
14 inch vs 16 inch m4 pro pleaseee
A shame Apple limits the M4 pro to 48GB of RAM…
such a shame! I dont want to spend an extra 2500 to update my m1 max to something with LESS ram and even fewer GPU cores ( looking at you, M4 Pro ).
Can you review mini led display response time and pwm?
I do not understand the chart at 24:22. Can someone explain it to me? which one has the best performance per watt? If i understand correctly, the M2 max gives the most amount of fps per watt? 149fps/50w
i upgraded from m1 max to m4 pro, using buy back to make it cheap. tho i didnt get to do some of the tests, im a little concerned about encoding, and i have 24gb ram now instead of 32. any thoughts or video on this comparison
Still keeping my 16 M1 Pro till they do the refresh. While it would be nice to have the jump from the M1 to the M4, I can hold out for a few more years till they bring that refresh.
The numbers are not as high though and for clicks numbers are king.
am not even convinced by this numbers to upgrade from 16inch M1 Pro.
I'm not upgrading my m1pro anytime soon either
@@oriionartist8011 it’s less than a minute faster in most tests. Things like multi core performance etc all depends if the software is written to utilize them efficiently
@@NjeleMolStudios MaxTech is so excited about these numbers though. He uses so many superlatives to describe them.
Great comparsion video. My only request is to compare the Low Power mode bewteen M3 Max and M4 Max, thank you so much!
I upgraded from an intel i9 16" MBP to an M3 Max 16" MBP 16/40/64GB/2TB in May. I got the machine from Apple Refurb for a £800 saving. The M4 was rumoured to smash the M3 in everything. Good to see that most of the tests showed the M4 Max had negligible improvements over the M3 Max especially considering those improvements could just be down to the CPU cores in M4 being 20% faster (4.5Ghz vs 4Ghz).
It would seem that a discounted M3 Max is a brilliant option, and I can recommend Apple Refurb as I've bought many things from there without issue.
"Good to see that most of the tests showed the M4 Max had negligible improvements over the M3 Max "
Why is that good? To justify your purchase in your head?
@@83442handle I don't have to justify my purchase, I'm an adult.
You guys make the best Laptop comparison videos on the internet 💯
Keep it up y’all 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💪🏾
I literally watch these videos for fun 😅
I upgraded from the m1 max to the m4 max for 1 job not mentioned in this video. And that is the time to train machine learning algorithms. You can spends hours, even days training a model. The performance differences I'm seeing are pretty large. Yes, you could just get a GPU and a desktop windows machine to train models on. But I'm on the go a lot, so it's not the most practical. Just an FYI, python, JavaScript, and typescript are the 3 most common languages used today. All 3 are interpreted languages, (ran on the fly, no compiling) so "compile times" are a useless metric for most developers today. If you want to setup a machine learning training test, I'd be happy to help you set one up.
Thx for the logic info. You guys are the best.✊🏿
Will you do a comparison between M3 Max 14 Core and M4 Max 14 Core?
Hi great videos as always
What would say
M4 pro 48 ram ve m4 max 36 ram ?
Thanks
I´m wondering the same. Which MacBook did you go for eventually and why, the M4 pro 48 ram or m4 max 36 ram, may I ask?
I want to see the MacBook M4 Pro with 24GB RAM versus the M1 Max with 32GB RAM. Does the reduced RAM make a real difference due to the system component advances? It’s not possible to go from the base 24GB to 32GB, only a big price jump to 48GB, or back to buying the MAX again to get the 36GB.
Can you please also compare M pro series and MacBooks Air's
The video I was waiting for! Great Job! Please make a low power mode comparison between the M4 max and M3 max. It should be interesting!
Got the M3 Max 40 Cores and was kind of thinking about the M4 Max even if I shouldn't.
This test helps me a lot to stick with my M3 Max and wait for an Upgrade where I get the watt usage or better cooling like with the M2 Max but also a better performance.
I noticed it already with the M3 Max how loud and hot it gets.
I will upgrade when they fix it and also fix their RTX cores to be like RDNA 4 RTX cores to RDNA 2 cores, just a huge improvement.
Also still waiting for tandem OLED for the MBP.
Do you have the 14 or 16 inch mbp?
I got the binned M4 Max 16" with 36GB RAM and 1TB SSD, no regrets I love this thing! Performance is simply incredlble
Yes! The legendary Logic Tests! Don’t stop!
Thunderbolt 5 ports showing in your hardware profile??? I purchased a MB Pro 16 Max and ports are showing as Thunderbolt 4. Went to Apple Store and checked their M4 Pro and Max machines…all showed Thunderbolt 4 ports in hardware. Apple Store staff baffled. Had no answers. Please advise!
00:04 - The M4 Max MacBook Pro offers significant performance improvements over previous models.
02:15 - M4 Max demonstrates significant performance improvements over M1, M2, and M3 Max models.
04:17 - M4 Max shows significant performance improvements over M1, M2, and M3 Max.
06:37 - M4 Max offers significant power gains but only modest FPS improvement.
09:03 - M4 Max shows significant performance improvements but also experiences throttling under stress.
11:10 - M4 Max fans run significantly louder and consume more power than previous models.
13:35 - M4 Max significantly outperforms previous models in CPU rendering and photo editing.
15:54 - The M4 Max outperforms predecessors despite CPU throttling issues.
18:04 - Battery performance varies significantly among M1, M2, M3, and M4 Max models.
20:02 - M4 Max shows notable performance improvements in specific tasks over earlier models.
22:06 - M4 Max shows significant gains over M1/M2, but minimal upgrade from M3 Max.
23:55 - The M3 Max offers exceptional value compared to older models.
Quick question: if I’m someone who maybe uses there laptop maybe 15% of the year outside, do you still think the nano texture display is worth it or should I just save my money? It’s just something I keep going back and forth about!
I think the Mac Studio M4 Max will have lesser thermal throttling unless Apple makes the Mac Studio smaller. Fingers crossed they don't.
As long as your M mac is supported there is no need to upgrade.
Awesome to see the performance gains in the M4, but having an M1 Pro, I don’t have the need for it to be faster. What I really need is more Storage! I have the base one, and if I upgrade, I really don’t get what I want without spending a lot of money. Sure it is faster but will have the same problem.
Finding a great deal for a M1/M2 Max with at least 2TB and 64gb, is the kind of upgrade/crossgrade that makes more sense to me right now.
I’ve been working with Fuji RAW files through LR for years, and I’ve always been frustrated with the slow import, preview, and export times. I use an M1 Max with 64GB RAM and a 32-core GPU.
Yesterday, I worked with Nikon RAW files, and the difference was staggering-it felt like I was using a completely new machine. My takeaway? The M1 Max is an absolute powerhouse, but the bottleneck clearly lies elsewhere.
Why not benchmark their performance on an external SSD?
for what purpose? no external SSDs are faster than their internals.
@@JamesBond-fo6ow You better research before posting :)
@@AudioMusicElectronics OK, I give up... research what?
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I'd love to see a direct comparison between the 14" and 16" M4 Max 40 core :)) I'm particularly curious about noise levels while gaming.
My 14 inch had slightly better performance than the 16 in the vid. Yes you can hear fans but its not like a windows device with fans - here are my scores M4 Max 16 cores, 12 Performance. 40 core GPU
Single 178 10 min throttle
Multi 2009 10 min throttle
Gpu 16712 10 min throttle
For the Lightroom test you could also make a lot of editing on one photo, also using some ai masks, and time the pasting of all the edit on, say, 50 other photos and then time creating new 1:1 previews of all the 50 photos.
Ah yes we've done 1:1 previews before as well. We just have so many tests that we try to limit to just one or two tests per app
@@MaxTechOfficialwould be great if you could include those results as well, please. They are much more real life use, as rendering happens most of the time without sitting in front of the machine, but pasting settings means waiting to continue the work…
Am I correct in assuming that if the m4 max would do the maximum the m1 max could handle, the m4 max would have less fan noise? and so it's only a loud laptop when doing things the other chips can't even do?
Yes pretty much. Cinebench forces 100% CPU workload.
Logic Pro gets pretty close to 100% but that's with tons of tracks.
Even Lightroom photo editing was limited by memory bandwidth
Those Final Cut Pro tests were limited by the encoders, so no loud fans there.
Blender uses mostly GPU so not enough power to spin up fans too much.
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Better to make a review m3 max vs m4 pro…
Appreciate everything you guys do!
What is the battery cycle count on the M1 max and m2 Max? This should be factored in during the battery tests
Hi, what about new quantum dot technology used on the new macbook screen? is it noticeable?
Awesome video guys! Thank you for testing the unbinned Maxes, now of course I need to go compare them to the Pro, but I bet you'll do a video comparing them all.
So are you saying the M3 Max is the best Max version??
Hey there, thanks for your efforts you put into all this testing, highly appreciated! May I ask if we'll see a comparison between the M4 Pro and M3 Max (16") ? That'd be interesting for video editors.
as the newer macbooks got louder due to thermal?
How do they perform in energy saving mode? For me it is a big feature that my m1 pro is quiet at all the time, compared to my m3 where the fans spin up frequently while i code.
Would love to see the comparison between m3 max vs m4 pro. I got a good deal for m3 max over m4 pro but wondering if m4 pro is faster than m3 max with all the cores running….
THIS is the video I've been waiting for! Thank you!!!
Great idea year to year comparison. Please go on with other chip levels.
@Max Tech - From my internal testing I found DaVinci Resolve to export faster with the same test you made on FCP 11 (specifically Resolve 19.1) - can you do Resolve export tests? Would love to see how Resolve performs on the M1/M2/M3/M4 Max too. Thanks :)
I am looking for a test for music production between m4 pro and m4 max...can´t find it...Kind Regards:)
Do you have a similar comparison video on the m pro chip macbooks
@4:54 Thank you so much ! Awesome channel ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Awesome comparison as always, please make the 14 inches versions too
I just got an almost brand new 32c m1 max 16 inch 32 gigs, 2tb for about 1700 USD. pressed the buy button in an instant. upgrading from average 5 years old acer swift 3. Hope I'll love it!
as an m1 max owner, i've been waiting for this one!
I hope that you do a teardown of the M4 Max so that we can see if that fusion connector is on the chip.
I upgraded from a 2015 Intel i7 MacBook Pro to a 16” M4 Max with maxed out memory, SSD, and CPU/GPU. I’m loving the upgrade! I wanted to wait until I felt that Apple Silicon had matured, and the M4 seemed like it did.
Hey Max, can you do a test for m1 pro to the current m4 pro?
Would you consider doing an ollama (local ai) performance between these 4 macbooks?