Telephone Game Proves the Bible is Wrong (Todd Friel response)
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2021
- Evangelical radio-host, Todd Friel, took on the non-believer objection that the Bible we have today is the product of the telephone game. He threw to Wretched host John Fabarez in his "Road Trip to Truth" video series, but both men and the guest apologist completely missed the point of the objection.
It's pretty obvious, but I decided it was worth a few minutes to clarify the nature of the telephone game objection, and point out how it very much still stands and that Todd and crew were dodging the question better than Neo dodged bullets in the Matrix.
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Because I’m English, the first time I saw this Todd Friel and his Wretched show I automatically assumed it was satire, and that he was obviously a comedy actor
He makes me laugh😅
He actually used to be a stand up comedian. Seriously, I’m not joking.
@@Iamwrongbut He graduated from being a mere comedian to being an outright punchline.
@@jimmyh6601 I would laugh, but then I look at how many people he has following his words.
Sadly, the amusement fades quickly.
@@stevewebber707
That's true and as a bit of a masochist I do admit to downloading the Wretched Podcast and sometimes enjoying the Witness Wednesday ones where he occasionally talks to atheists.... though it's amazing how many Christians he encounters, that wouldn't happen here in the UK but I find it fascinating how religious the US is 🇬🇧
What I got from Todd's video is Todd Friel's camera man really likes to spin in circles.
Thanks, now I have that song by Dead or Alive stuck in my head.
It some from of manipulation that’s the only way they claim the ridiculous nonsense that they do.
Maybe that's because Todd acts like a bad character from Gotham who just escaped from the asylum and the camera person is trying to keep their distance.
Hi Thomas!
I assume they just got a new steadycam and just had to show it off.
Todd Friel provides the ultimate “try not to punch your computer screen” challenge.
Ha ha! I win! I'm watching on my phone.
@@lisahenry20 me too 😳
David Rives still hold that title for me personally. Todd only makes me wanna mute him, for now.
I failed...and I'm not sad about it. :)
Tablet got punted across the room, I think I lost.
Tod comes from the "If I say it louder it is even truer school of apologetics.
Also "mocking skeptics makes my arguments more true."
His target audience is the least educated and least intelligent among humans, he could write it all in misspelled crayon and still convert them.
Why is this Todd Friel guy yelling at me? What did I do? Make him stop!
And saying it slower don’t forget forget sloooowwer
Everyone of Fox News yells. Sometime they scream.
It was an oral tradition because many of them thought that Jebus was going to come back in their lifetime. When he didn't and that generation began to die-off, people realized we better start writing this stuff down.
Who was Jebus??
@@swinnart think real hard and it will come to you.
I'd think it would be far more likely that the desire to start writing their fairy tales down grew when two idiots who had "perfectly memorized" the stories got in a fist fight because they had wildly different versions of trivial stuff and people in the crowd joined in because they remembered it completely different from the two first morons, and then the theocrats in charge started hanging people from trees because they remembered it different but had the standing army to enforce their versions better... until _they_ started disagreeing too and the purges began. At that point writing it down would really be your only choice, because how else are you gonna stamp out "heresy", right?
@Pisstake
Fuck Bush, then, right?
Or they had to wait until a mass of followers with some of them being able to write. Literacy in ancient world was too low. Whatever, maybe noone is sure about the real reason they were written so late.
when Todd says, _"attempt to share your faith,"_ I hear, _"shout at people who are just trying to get to class"._
Or annoy people in a train that can't get away from your imbecility.
And for some reason they call this harassment "witnessing".
“Why am I being so persecuted for yelling at people?! What has this godless world come to?!”
i laughed in my mind, when you tell a lie to a bunch o people that knows it is a lie, you should stop
but fanatics are so stubborn that they prefer to find way to defend the lies before admitting they are probably wrong
Wow, he went from 0 to "obvious televangelist megachurch pastor" in less than 1 second!
Haha he’s definitely not one of those. He’s much more just a fundamentalist who loves to judge others.
Yes, that tone, what the hell? I don't know how anyone can listen to these people.
He's gunning for Kenneth Copeland's job. He'll need plastic surgery to look more demonic though.
I don'-TAH! know-AH! what you're talking abou-TAH!
@Jane a huge one. Mega church prosperity pastors could care less about the specifics of what you believe as long as you give them money. That’s why their sermons are so broad and vague doctrinally.
Fundamentalists, however, will crucify a man for getting the smallest doctrine wrong, labeling them as an apostate and heretic. They care more for doctrinal purity than money, because their stranglehold on doctrine gives them power to judge people.
Todd Friel: the only Christian media person in the world who can out-smug Kent Hovind.
It's hard to list apologists in order of smugness.
William Lame Craig ?
Ravi Zacharias?
John Lennox?
I was a fan it’s less smugness more like his individual style.
@@oscargr_ Ravi Zacharias is now pacing back & forth across the great apologetics stage in the sky, probably still touting his fake degrees and non-existent position as a lecturer at Oxford. And probably still just as smug.
@@oscargr_ That's a good list. I like to think I'm a pretty good judge of these things. Using just those names, I'd rate Zacharias and Lennox as tied for a rather unimpressive fourth place, and Billy Craig challenges with a strong third, but Todd Friel definitely takes second.
Nobody can match Kent's signature blend of genocidal psychopath cult leader smarmy asshole smug _chic._ Not even former piss-stained russian puppet insurrectionist presidents, and that's two birds of a feather.
@@EdwardHowton You are a good judge of your own preferences.
To me, smugness has something to do with intelligence. The three I named al either were highly educated (academically), or pretending to be (Ravi)
I never feel the same level of smugness from Hovind who "was a science educator for twenty years" (or something)
Todd Friel's credential is that he has a radio voice??
It's probably subjective.
According to Todd Friel, the key to persuasion must be inducing vertigo. I love how you used clips from Three's Company to illustrate misunderstanding since that was the basis of pretty much every show.
If you watch enough of these scumbags operate, one underlying trend becomes apparent: They NEVER want their audience to have the time nor capacity to have a moment's thought about what they just said. They NEED the conversation to pivot as much as Todd's camera does, so that the intended audiences can focus on nothing but the sound of confidence.
No steak to sell, so sell the sizzle.
"Put another star on his shirt." 🤣🤣 I love Paul's understated humor.
Hes my favourite oponent, because he's so funny.
Let's not also forget the various councils in the early centuries that decided what books were even in the Bible in the first place... pretty sure leaving out entire gospels counts as "change".
The Book of Enoch is quite the acid trip.
Not to mention having meanings and words be lost in translation
@@platypusbuk
I've been meaning to read that book, but I'm not sure if I should. See my own stories are somewhat influenced by my beliefs as a Christian. And really reading the specifics about the nephilim, Sammael and Azazel's infatuation with mortal women might inspire a story or two...
Actually scratch that, given how my creative drive is badly damaged, a little inspiration would do me some good...>_>
add that changes made in translations for what ever motives....
Nah nah 😆
That's not change (or evolution as they'd likely call it)- that's just a mutation (as they see it - a loss of information).
Brilliant observation mate 😁
I remember playing telephone in school as a kid. Our teacher had made us all sit in a circle and whispered some sentence to the first kid. I was third in line, and knew immediately that I wasn't going to repeat whatever I heard, and I made up some other outlandish statement to pass on. And when it went all the way around the circle and the teacher asked for the statement, I could barely contain my glee at what the class was about to get to hear out loud. Instead, some other completely random sentence came out lol. This to me proved that if any person in the line doesn't like what they hear, they can change it intentionally for their own motives.
I always found those "Give me $30 and I'll give you proof of God" guys so credible.
Gimme 30 pieces of silver and I give you Jesus...
…. Yes
@@paulschlachter4313 well played
I cannot express to you how hilarious I find it that Todd shoots himself in the foot so utterly by going on about how obviously inaccurate oral traditions would be, blissfully unaware of the fact that that's exactly how Christianity started. Oh Todd...
And even he communicates orally to his audience,but,you'll notice,he wants everyone to buy whatever current book he's selling.
@@shriggs55 That part really came across as snake-oil-salesman-ish. 'The bible is the one word!...but buy my book. BUY IT. MONEY.'
So THAT’S how you fold a fitted sheet!!!!
Thank GOD!!!! 😃
God using an atheist channel to deliver the good news of how to fold a fitted sheet. It's a miracle!
@@utubepunk, and a true miracle at that. Those things are impossible to fold. Now I’m a firm believer in the trinity. Jesus has risen. Father, Son and the Holy Poltergeist!!!!
It’s like the end of this Catholic joke about this nervous young priest who took a nip of alcohol before his first homily, and constructive criticism by older priest:
“ . . . And finally, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is not to be referred to as ‘Big Daddy, Junior, and the Spook!’”
Great stuff! 🌈 🚴🏾♂️
@@madams3478 : When I was a kid and first heard them say Father, Son, and Holy Ghost at a funeral, I thought they were saying Father, Son, and in the hole he goes!
That is funny! 😂
Is "Junn's blank-white coffee cup with no company identification is just a prop?" rhetorical? -hypothetical-
The writing on all the cups looks like they were written by the same person with the same marker.
@@huffdaddy3845 I was going to say the same thing. You beat me to it Sam!
Sometimes preachers are pretty successful at connecting with everyday life - but this was not such an occasion! 😜
It's definetly just a prop...
Excellent arguments, as always. I especially liked the highlighting of "Junn", and the convenient cups as an example of the very phenomenon that likely took place with teachings in the early Christian church.
The various misspelled white cups, all with the same, very legible and straight writing.
@@KaiHenningsen Yes. Very convenient.
Considering he probably got the white cup from the after worship service coffee social, kind of makes you wonder how Christians misspelled a the name of a gospel. Wait a minute I think he is just being deceptive! /S
No I believe it's totally credible that the Jan, Janet, Brody and Junn coffee cups were legit. Naturally he keeps every coffee cup he's ever had because Christians are like that.
Todd Friel is a lot of things - Honest, Informed, and thoughtful are absolutely not 3 of those things.
😅🤣😆
Atleast he is *funny* 😳
@@just-some-muslim I would say….interesting.
He is arrogant af and knows fa.
@@Wildcard120 I would say... creepy.
"Attempt to share your truth"? You mean piss people off by shouting through a megaphone that they're all sinners...yeah right.
Thank you, Paul, for recommending Ehrman's "Jesus Before the Gospels" as a resource. I'm currently reading it for the second time. I find it to be one of the best and comprehensive works dealing with this. Great video, btw.
I would balance Ehrmans book with one that isn't biased against Christianity. You might get the full picture then. Also, Ehrmans popular level books have a reputation for relaying a considerably different message to his scholarly level books. A cynic might say it's because Erhman can't get away with the same things at a scholarly level.
@@anthonywhitney634 What book[s] do you recommend?
@@cfajohnson5207 on which subject? The credibility of the Gospels?
@@anthonywhitney634 Please source the assertion of Ehrman's "reputation" that you referred to. And btw, he's absolutely not the the only scholar that I read.
Interesting how God's people who have "discovered" answers to the difficult questions (which potentially could convince a non-theist to convert), so often want to sell those answers, knowing they will almost exclusively be purchased by people who already agree with them. It's almost like making cash is more important to spreading their message.
If you said your name was "John", and got "Jon", "Jan" or even "Jun", I would believe it. If the coffee says Brody, you stole someone else's coffee.
My name is a little less normal.
My first name has been turned from Aaron to Erin, Arin, Aron, and more. (Strangely, never to A A Ron like the comedy skit)
Sometimes people have used my last name - Bredon (pronounced "breed on") has turned into Brendan and Bardon.
Everyone knows you're smarter when you're walking in a circle.
Moving in circles to channel logic of the same shape.
Todd's camera work reflects his thinking.
Circular.
I have to take a second to appreciate your username. 😆
@@MattJGT Thanks, you should check the channel. Just starting.
Any God that needs a greased-up used car salesman to make his case for him is too pathetic to care about.
The way that carnival barker whipped out that book...cha-ching! Yup, he's selling something 💰💰
“Tha Buybull is the inner rant word of Gaawwd”
Yep, the man said it strait out right and I believe him.
You missed a few extra syllables... "Tha Buybull-AH! is the inerrant wor-DAH of Gaaww-DAH!"
@@TheMister123 I know you're making fun of that stupid theatrical manner of speech these charlatans use, and rightly so, but... have you ever tried it? It's fun as hell, especially if you bust it out during D&D to voice the villainous cult leader. Even better, the requisite head-shaking to really get the jowls involved produces its own flecks of frothy spittle at the corners of the mouth.
And yes, I absolutely _have_ practiced it. My friends told me to stop because I was creeping them out.
@@EdwardHowton My son and I are just now barely dabbling in tabletop RPGs. He started out getting into 40K, but maybe (hopefully!) is getting into D&D now. (40K is a money pit!)
@Pisstake my IPad autocorrected it to inner rant, I said to myself that sounds good too and left it.
I thought Reverend Lovejoy was just a charicter on the Simpsons.
Always kinda amazes me how many different books/newspapers/podcasts/magazines/tv/radio/movies/etc/etc/etc it takes to explain one supposedly simple book.
An inerrant book written by an omnipotent author should not even need an explanation - it should be blindingly obvious.
I think John is stealing Brads coffee...
Brodie, he said Brodie.
I think he's stealing Jan, Janet, Brodie AND Brads coffee
He absolutely is! I bet he just takes the coffee from whoever's name is shouted out after he orders.
I’ve worked in cafes and that’s happened to me. One couple went to the trouble of ordering their coffees in a very specific way, but they were completely oblivious that they had picked up and were drinking something altogether different.
If he's stealing Brodie's coffee I'm sure he'll go after Bodling's, better watch your coffee or Junn will have it out from under your nose.
Todd’s videos are shot like he’s some sort of stalking predator, and the viewer is trying to keep a safe distance between them
You have it all wrong; he keeps moving to avoid the inevitable lightning bolt that is sure to find him should the God of his bible actually exist....
Yesterday I spent a lunch hour explaining to my parents why I am no longer a believer. You have been a good part of that and helping me to find real truth.
Thanks so much Paul.
-A former Christian
Good for you Shawn, it's great thinking for yourself isn't it!👍😉
Glad you were able to asses the data.
Even if you grew up being told what to think, at least you were also taught how to think.
Congratulations 🎉
How’d it go?
Good for you! Your parents may try to rationalize your apostasy but never compromise your integrity just to placate the ones you love. What you did took courage and that alone deserves respect.
"None of this is consistent with the oral culture preservation myth. If you're interested perhaps I can do a longer video on this topic one day."
Yes I am interested. Very interested. Please do the longer video about this.
Whenever I have ever talked about this sort of thing with Christians, they always seem to jump to this notion that in those days everyone had some kind of super memory and would always be able to retell anything they heard without error, and that it's only nowadays where everyone has short attention spans that something like the telephone game works or applies.
@Alex Trio
As a Christian I can attest that I've made that assumption. It's only in learning how oral tales and myths were told that I found myself mistaken.
When I see Todd Friel i keep thinking he's going to go into his monorail song and dance.
😂🤣😂🤣
11:26 I like how he talks about Noah like there aren’t two stories smashed together with conflicting accounts
Such as 7 pairs of “clean” animals, right?
The whole business of “clean” and “unclean” animals is just so much nonsense. The part about separate dishes for meat and milk, now, that is some good folk wisdom.
@@madams3478 don’t forget he slaughtered the clean animals leaving …
Oh, I think the fundies can finesse the food issue. Noah and family just took some extra food, and basically subsisted on grain and oil for a while.
And enough “clean” animals on hand for the occasional ritual slaughter. Which if I understand Jewish tradition, you can eat the sacrificed animal (after the priest gets some of the good parts first! 😜) Am I understanding this correctly?
Genesis 7:2-3: “Take with you *seven pairs of all clean animals,* the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth.” (ESV)
Not the version we learned in Sunday School!
Just the kind of content I come here for! Love it Paul.
This guy is so condescending it hurts.
As he walks in the door, Junn also tilts the cup in such a way to show that it is empty. Likely never filled?
Flips an equally fake light on with his cup-hand: ruclips.net/video/2Agw2mYsfh8/видео.html
Also no coffee stains on it anywhere. Pristine.
It's almost like it's a complete sham, I wonder what else may be being presented as a factual occurrence that ends up entirely made up...
Even if we grant him that oral tradition is impeccable, that doesn't account for willful change. How hard is it to believe the someone willfully changed something, because it sounded better, people asked questions....
Okay I'm starting to think that the Steadicam person actually has some sort of disability where they can't move in a straight line. They can only travel in n a series of larg swooping arcs.
I used to make up bedtime stories for my sons. Transcribing one with 100% accuracy would not make it true.
I think the retranslation objection still applies since the historical jesus and his followers weren't speaking in greek, nor were the early oral traditions in greek. If the gospel authors weren't witnesses, they also had to translate the descriptions of events relayed to them through oral tradition. But yes the oral tradition itself is likely to be the major source of inaccuracy in the process, so that's the stronger objection
I own an old german lutheran bible, and the differences to modern translations are at times really surprising.
For example, in that version, that Leviticus verse that supposedly condemns homosexuality is actually about pedophilia. It says "if man lieth with a boy" rather than "with a man".
Around Jesus were Greek speakers AND Hebraic speakers. The "war" between this people is obvious in the gospels. Saul friends were the Greeks speakers and have been fighting with Jesús family (the Hebrew) mainly about the subject of accepting non-Jewish into the community. This part of the gospels are very rarely red in church because it too far away from today's topics but it's still in the book.
@@gerrybaggins but Saul on his own account never met Jesus or took his story from any living man. He ignored or downplayed the people that might have had a tradition going back to Jesus. That’s not a translation problem that’s a cultural appropriation problem.
@@francesconicoletti2547 Still they were lots of Greek speakers around Jesus.
The coffee cup actually wraps it up really simply. A word was spoken, misheard, and recorded incorrectly.
It's funny that all of John's "misspelled" name of the cups are all in the exact same handwriting.
i always feel wretched after watching that guy. a crazy man talking while the camera spins madly around him is not a nice experience
I’m blown away by the fact that Todd completely debunked his own Bible by talking about how shitty oral tradition is. Is he unaware that the foundational stories of Moses and the Exodus came to us via oral tradition? If we shouldn’t trust oral tradition, we shouldn’t trust the Bible. Thanks, Todd. I won’t!!!
16:22. That gives you 1 minute per minute if you show his whole video with 1 minute afforded to each the intro and outro. Thank you for taking your time with this one.
“Even Brody” that sounds like you just grabbed the wrong cup
All I care about is if they can demonstrate that Frodo took the ring to Mt Mordor.
*Ahem* "Oroduin" in the Sindarin tongue, "Mt. Doom" in the common speech. (See? This is how this sort of thing gets started, people start playing around with the names of things, and in a few decades, it becomes canonical ;-) )
@@petercoo9177 I thought it was "ammon amarth" in Sindarin
@@dongiovanni4331 Both are used in Sindarin - meaning "fiery mountain" and "mountain of fate" respectively. Those elves, they just couldn't stop wandering around, naming things ... again, and again, and again.
I don't know about Mt. Doom, but 2 Hobbits just threw a ring into my back yard.
It's hot is what I'm saying here.
I'll give you one part that literally changed inherently in translation.
So, you know that infamous "if man lies with man as with a woman, it is an abomination" verse that is often use to condemn homosexuality?
In Martin Luther's german translation (which is still pretty widely used in germany), which was the first translation of the bible to use a commonly spoken rather than scholarly language, and which most modern translations were based on, that verse says "if man lies with a boy" (the german word being "knabe", which definitely refers to a male kid) and is thus interpreted to condemn pedophilia (specifically the kind commonly practiced in ancient greece and rome) rather than homosexuality.
My source for that is me literally owning a hundreds of years old german lutheran bible that was passed down in our family.
Can I just say that I can get behind using Martin Luther's translation of that verse? Don't persecute homosexuals. What 2 consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their home want to do is their business. But if 1 individual cannot consent (too young, or is impaired in some physical, mental, or pharmacological manner) or does not want to give consent, then all of the societal prejudice currently directed towards homosexuals should be directed at them. As well as criminal penalties.
Once again Paul ... _you're on fire!_
Fantastic video!
Todd Friel is so creepy. The way he tries to bully the audience every time he speaks, his oversized hands, empty eyes, the way he seems to have it in his contract that the camera should be at a low angle whenever he's filmed.
*shivver* serious bad vibes
Is he trying to do a sort of atheist cool vibe but with Christian content. Matt Dillahunty(?) sometimes -used to anyway- come across as gross and rude.
@@treescape7 matt can be obnoxious, I'm not a great fan of that approach but it doesn't have the same predatory vibe as TF.
Totally a matter of my own reaction to him. It's not any kind of argument against him.
To point out the obvious: In oral cultures, there is no way to check if you have remembered a story correctly.
I love your videos and the perspective you put on your arguments/objections against the apologists, like your argument against Resurrection narrative.
Thank you for your videos ❤️
Todd has one helluva TV studio production! And no shame at all!
Even putting aside oral tradition, memory is an issue…as an example, I (now 60) and my brother (59) were together at an “event” that occurred when we were 8 & 7 respectively. One of us was subject to a particular “embarrassment” ( I won’t go into the details). Despite us both being there and despite both of us recalling most of the details similarly, when we recall the event we can’t agree on who the “embarrassment” happened to. I remember it being me and my brother remembers it being him! It has been this way since our 30s…so only 3 decades after the event, our memories had altered the events that we were both party to.
Very valid point
And of course he has comments turned off…
I wonder if Todd Friel's sarcastic delivery and caRazEee camera angles are an attempt at Christian cool?
I wondered where you were going with the cup at the beginning, but you nailed it with that observation! Great video!
Always a good day when Paul uploads
Video gets the concept of the telephone game wrong right from the start.
3:58 This is actually demonstrably true. Not just from one language to another, but even in the different versions of English translations, the passages have differences.
6:05 Not to mention the supposed Jewish oral traditions for the Old testament scriptures that, according to the Bible itself, was supposed to have existed initially. The scriptures and teachings were originally passed down by word of mouth from one priest to their successor. No written record was kept.
Paul, for an "amateur" you certainly do a professional job. Well done, nice analysis.
Todd's studio looks like a swanky apartment ... i believe with my whole heart that he lives there.
As a Mike who has never gotten a cup with a screwed up name in a coffee shop (despite the fact that some people over the phone have misheard "Mark"), I can confirm that it's unbelievable that John routinely gets misnamed by baristas. So much for that ninth commandment.
Don’t give him any money. That’s my .02
Ever notice how many apologist channels have Comments turned off?
If there is a god, the bible would have tracked changes.
Excellent as always.
Unrelated - any more podcast versions coming in the near future? I love downloading those and listening on the go
Small spelling/scribal errors can still have a major impact on the meaning of a written document from that time due to the use of abbreviations in the original scrolls. The oft-mentioned account of a "talking cross" on this channel is a great example: we only have one copy of the Gospel of Peter and the words "cross" in that passage may just be a greek scribal error that was supposed to be a similar but uncommon abbreviation for "crucified one," and the scribe just didn't recognize it
13 episodes? Clearly someone feels a little insecure.
Both that and the sheer number of problems with his position
I never realized how much Bart Ehrman's voice sounds like Spock
when i first moved to london i worked for plenum publishing who translated russian science journals into american english, me and four (or five even) other guys spent all week pasting in corrections to galleys of type, this is the mid 70's when electronic typesetting was starting out. so, five of us working five day a week, eight hours a day correcting science journals, electronically set.
tell me handwritten books are error free.
one of my dads favourite jokes was what we call chinese whispers, messages sent down the line during the war, his favourite being "bring three and fourpence, we're going to a dance, which started out as bring reinforcements, we're going to advance...
Well done. Thanks for your efforts.
I love the Christian ads on your channel
Hallelujah 😳
I got a Jewish one
Todd has this one-two combo of being laughably wrong and doing it in the most obnoxious way.
Thanks for the video :)
It's good to see you back. I hope you're fully-recovered from whatever it was. Or you enjoyed your holiday. Or whatever.
He moved cross country
@@philipmalaby8172 Ah, thanks. I'd been worried about his health.
Dear God: to avoid the problem with ancient social media that other gods share,
write yourself any next written Revelation, in all languages, in the always facing side of the Moon, that can be seen from anywhere on Earth.
That will spare us millennia of apologists and their books explaining your book!
Thanks.
It wouldn't, though.
The meaning of words changes over time. Give it a few centuries, and even the words written in hundeds of languages on the surface of the moon would need an interpreter.
@@Tacklepig Yes... I hope a real God could manage that, elegantly (not to mention avoid the whole written media altogether).
Todd’s epic comeback reminds me of when Whaddo You Meme argued that eating animals doesn’t cause them suffering because “they’re already dead when you eat them” lmao
God, I hate that channel sooo much. He is so damn smug.
14:30 Thank you for being a member to show us the documents!
Whoa. That spinning camera nearly made me toss! I couldn't pay attention to his sales pitch.
Todd Friel, like most apologists, offers nothing new.
If people like him are in heaven then I'm much happier to go to that other made up place
But he sounds like a used car salesman in his presentation. 😃
That's because there's nothing new to offer. There's no new evidence, no new arguments. Just the same verbal deflection maneuvers to distract you from the fact that there's nothing new.
He offers nothing, full stop
@@user-gk9lg5sp4y Exactly. Personally, I think Todd Friel has the worst delusions of grandeur of all apologists.
Haven't watched yet, but this objection is one of the ones that started me critically reviewing my faith. It's not ultimately the reason I left, but it's a big part of what started me.
So what have you put in its place? Atheism? I hope not.
@@Justas399 When we lose a misconception, we don’t necessarily need to put anything in its place. We just don’t have that misconception anymore. But the lack of the belief in any god (by a being capable of understanding the concept), on case that is what Bryon S is describing, is atheism.
@@scienceexplains302 true. Those who embrace atheism are at a dead end for anything.
@@Justas399 That is not what I said. You seem dishonest by putting it that way: “true” + opposite
@@Justas399 by losing ones faith you gain something much grander - reality.
Any topic you do on any day is great.
This problem is compounded when one considers that the early preachers of the gospel were likely dependent on the receptivity of their audience to meet their basic economic needs. If the crowed didn't like the story, they weren't as likely to supply the story teller with what he needed to survive. That provides a powerful incentive to tweak the story to make it more appealing to the listeners.
I think it likely that the gospel was basically focus tested and reworked for decades before it was finally written down. While we can't be certain if that happened or to what extent, the possibility of such happening is too great to ignore, and that possibility is enough in itself to create a great deal of uncertainty on the gospel's accuracy.
Zeus is real. I know it, because people said so.
And of course the only reason people are Christians is because they hate Zeus. It makes just as much sense as saying people are only atheists because they hate God.
@@Nymaz Atheists only hate Christians because they are so arrogant about their ignorance.
@@timhallas4275 yes, christians are arrogant about their ignorance.
Interesting the advice for the olds angle. Help stop all the objections of your kids and grandkids with this propaganda series! Kind of an amazing admission that so many fundamentalist kids are seeing through the lies and dishonesty that this is a winning marketing tool.
The heavy breathing into the mic was what told me that Tod is a megachurch televangelist.
A primary weakness of oral tradition (the telephone game). Is the problem of selective hearing/telling. People, including gospel writers, tell you things that “seem” important to them. They emphasize (and embellish) certain elements; they ignore details that seem irrelevant or confusing.
This process is illustrated by the gospels themselves. For instance, Mark says nothing at all about Jesus birth, that his mother was a virgin, nothing about angels appearing to Shepards, nothing about three wise men, nothing about the Roman census that required Joseph and Mary to travel from Nazareth, nothing about king Herod killing children eliminate the threat posed by baby Jesus, or the family fleeing to Egypt, nothing about Jesus born in Bethlehem to the lineage of King David, nothing about Angels appearing to Mary to explain Jesus miraculous birth.
So, Mark either did not know about Jesus Birth…. Or did not think these details were important enough to tell us. Either way…. It is a problem. If Mark left this information out…. Then he is not giving us a complete story…. And we have to wonder what other things he decided not to tell us. Otoh, if he did not know about Jesus birth narrative… then we have to wonder what other things he did not know about Jesus.
But, finally, there is a third…more likely and more concerning possibility for why Mark did not report Jesus birth narrative. He might have heard these stories… but did not report these narratives because he considered them unreliable (legends). If that is the case, then we know that legends about Jesus were circulating…. And that these legends were reported as fact by Matthew and Luke. And in that case, we we can no longer be certain of any story (such as the feeding of the 5000) ….. and the gospels no longer seem like the revealed word of God.
Religious markiplier makes me motion sick
6.59 seconds, not true. 7.00 seconds, totally true.
Are we sure the old fisherman is talking about a fish he caught? :-)
Jun was probably pretty angry when he had to wait for his coffee to be made a second time after John took it.
Friel's just creepy.
Todd is on the fundamentalist end of the spectrum when it come to his Christian beliefs.
Paulogia, another precise critique of the nonsense some Christians like to go on with.
Great video. Easy to understand, entertaining, and informative.
It took me to the third minute to realise this is ‘Chinese whispers’ but we have to call it something else now.
Yes! Do a video on how this oral culture thing is a myth, please!
Make sone more WLC and FT video plz
You are number 2.
@@KangMinseok and what am I supposed to pick up by that?
@@superbuddy2493 wear it like a badge of honor, for you were the second-fastest poster.
Gosh Todd makes my skin crawl.
How are you able to refrain from passing comment on Friel’s, um... ‘presentation style’? It must take a herculean self-control and I’m genuinely in awe.
You are the best of us, Paul!