The TSM-A5, a Direct Drive Hub Motor with Integrated Torque Sensor

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
  • In this Video Robbie introduces a new motor from TDCM that we are now stocking here at Grin. This is the first hub motor that we are carrying which has a built-in torque sensing freehub so that you can have torque control without the need to install a separate bottom bracket torque sensor. Although a few motors like this have existed on the market (BionX, Falco, and others) they are still surprisingly rare in aftermarket kits.
    Additional details are available from the product info page:
    ebikes.ca/prod...
    With a limited quantity available to purchase as part of a kit on our RTR kits page:
    ebikes.ca/shop...

Комментарии • 71

  • @KING_OF_FARTS
    @KING_OF_FARTS Год назад +6

    Love that quick release.

  • @hemingwaybromfield3722
    @hemingwaybromfield3722 Год назад +15

    Very good, I hope that integrated torque arms and quick release hub motors become the norm in the industry. I wonder if the GMAC will be updated to have a quick release, or have this new integrated torque sensor? Regardless, keep up the brilliant work, Can't wait to see what's next!

    • @wornoutwrench8128
      @wornoutwrench8128 Год назад +1

      A GMAC with QR and integrated torque sensor, heck yeah. It would be on my Christmas list.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад +4

      Glad you like this and for sure we'd like to see move more motors in this direction. The challenge doing QR on a GMAC is that the cable exits in a diagonal slot that passes right through the center of the axle, so it requires quite a substantial redesign of the MAC motor core to allow a hollow channel all the way through without interfering with the cable (ie new shell castings for a larger ball axle bearing diameter etc.) Adding the innotorq freehub body is a bit similar, doable in principle but requires all new mechanicals so a lot of up front tooling. It's on our wish list too.

  • @dgholt1980
    @dgholt1980 Год назад +7

    Whats with the anoying background music guys. Totally distracting and hard to hear.

  • @Habibulla.M
    @Habibulla.M Год назад +3

    Nice technology.

  • @michaelrowave
    @michaelrowave Год назад +3

    Wow, that is really cool. I am late to the party and looking for my first ebike converion. This solves or improves so many little things and I want backpedal regen but now with quick clamp and a cassette mount too. Stoked to see if I can make this work.

    • @OmniShadesGaming
      @OmniShadesGaming Год назад +1

      It’s never too late to get, or DIY, an E-bike in life.

    • @SimonBrowneNZ
      @SimonBrowneNZ Год назад

      I strongly suggest you consider the option of a front wheel motor - using the All Axle motor. It is the cycle analyst that determines the Regen and torque response not the motor or the controller and separate torque sensors are available from Grin to send signals to the CA and then on to the motor - back or front - to do all sorts of magic. The front motor has the advantage of simpler removal is case of puncture - and can be used to balance a battery located in the rear of the bike - in my case tucked inside a bag under my seat. All Axle is 4kg v this new one 6.xkg added to the rear.

  • @alpines
    @alpines Год назад +2

    Very nice !

  • @DoneRightBicycles
    @DoneRightBicycles Год назад

    I wish your website was a put together as your RUclips channel

  • @brianbassett4379
    @brianbassett4379 Год назад +2

    I really wish you guys would come out with a mid-drive motor to compete with BaFang.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад +2

      But we're on team Hub Motor! ( ebikes.ca/learn/why-hub-motors-are-awesome.html )

    • @brianbassett4379
      @brianbassett4379 Год назад

      @@GrinTechnologies What's the real reason?

    • @mikeg6633
      @mikeg6633 Год назад +1

      Yuck. Lol. I'm a hub motor guy.

  • @UWMailing
    @UWMailing Год назад +1

    Cool hub. A little hard to hear the explanation of the technical details though.

  • @CD31337
    @CD31337 Год назад +1

    Would like the industry creating options for thru axles

  • @JonPrevost
    @JonPrevost Год назад +4

    Thru-axle please :) Looks great otherwise. I know this seams trivial, but from an aesthetics perspective, it might be nice to offer different length cables from the motor or allow a custom ask in the order form. I like the connector but it is bulky and an eye sore compared to many pre-built bikes.
    Love seeing an engineer owned company growing and still innovating.

  • @DeUser1337
    @DeUser1337 Год назад +1

    I have question: is it possible to us the torque sensor to give the speed for additional motors in parallel. This way it would be possible to use the signal for a all wheel drive or even a powered trailer.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад

      Interesting question, and the answer is that with a CA3 controlling the system you definitely can. The wiring from the controller to the CA with the torque signal is totally independent of the regular CA-WP plug, so it is no different from a wiring perspective than a bb torque sensor.

  • @rickw7522
    @rickw7522 Год назад

    Just wonderful it is 😁

  • @telocities
    @telocities Год назад +3

    1000--2700$ price + accessories = way to much for this Dutchman. Looks like a nice motor for the rest.

  • @electriclifeevc8183
    @electriclifeevc8183 Год назад

    Nice work can't wait to try it out 😎

  • @falenone11
    @falenone11 Год назад

    Thought I want a bafang bbshd as my first ebike motor but those hub ones look kinda neat!

  • @hombremunoz5143
    @hombremunoz5143 Год назад

    where you left the clyte 4040 motor it went missing.

  • @dant.6364
    @dant.6364 Год назад +1

    How much torque does that make? I live in an extremely hilly area and anything 70nm or less is subpar.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад +1

      With a high current motor controller it can do 70Nm for short times no problem, but in any sustained duration at those torque levels would cause the motor to overheat and go into thermal rollback which will then reduce the torque output.

  • @davideserin
    @davideserin Год назад +2

    Can you take advantage of either the torque sensing or regen breaking without the cycle analyst?

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад

      Not in the current implementation of the kit, but in a future update this will be possible.

    • @vikferreira2137
      @vikferreira2137 Год назад

      What would be my options for a gear hub 1000w motor replacement for a fat ebike?

    • @snorttroll4379
      @snorttroll4379 Год назад

      @@GrinTechnologies how are we coming along on that?=

  • @prilep5
    @prilep5 Год назад

    My dream come true

  • @neptronix
    @neptronix Год назад

    Nice motor, i'm waiting for the fast winding version because the low pole count of the motor would make it the most ideal motor for a recumbent/semi-recumbent with 20" wheels.

    • @linberl
      @linberl Год назад +1

      in my dreams it would also have a QR as a rear wheel flat on my recumbent trike is a pita.

    • @neptronix
      @neptronix Год назад

      @@linberl I can see that. I chose to run 16" motorcycle tires ( 20" in bike size ) for that reason, lol..

    • @neptronix
      @neptronix Год назад

      @@linberl I can see that, i run motorcycle tires in the back of my recumbents for that reason, lol.

    • @DeUser1337
      @DeUser1337 Год назад

      @@neptronix do you use a tube, or how does the seal work with motorcycle tyres?

    • @neptronix
      @neptronix Год назад +1

      @@DeUser1337 It's quite simple. You need a wider than average rim ( ~32mm ) to seat the tire and if you take 4 inches off the bike size, you've got the motorcycle size.
      Example: 20" bike rim fits a 16" tire.
      Also you can use whatever tube you want.
      The only asterisk is that motorcycle tires are very hard to fit!

  • @ShardCollector
    @ShardCollector 10 месяцев назад

    Does it work with another display or is the cycle analyst a requirement. Sorry to say, but it looks like something from the 80's. I want a small and sleek display on my bike.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  10 месяцев назад

      This is just a motor. Controllers and displays are totally separate unrelated items. You can definitely run it with any other motor controller that can respond natively and safely to a voltage torque signal as long as your have the know how to configure that.

  • @Vaioman67
    @Vaioman67 Год назад +1

    How many watts is the motor?

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад +1

      Watts is a function of RPM and the time duration that you need it to run before overheating. So if you give us those two parameters, we can tell you the corresponding wattage.
      ebikes.ca/learn/power-ratings.html

  • @w543e
    @w543e Год назад

    It's a shame that this is incompatible with the new phaserunner, since I think this is probably my ideal hub motor. Will probably end up getting a rh212 instead for this reason. Maybe an adapter cable or something could solve that?

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад

      You can in fact power the motor from a Phaserunner_L10 just fine, but you won't have valid torque or motor temperature signals. If you wanted that, you can cut and splice your own wiring to bring the torque and temp signals up to the CA without too much difficulty. It won't look pretty but it will do the trick.

  • @tonystone3397
    @tonystone3397 Год назад

    Nice one

  • @therawbieboardzshow9763
    @therawbieboardzshow9763 Год назад

    I need one of these for
    El Diablo
    My freak chopper

  • @robindegu7294
    @robindegu7294 10 месяцев назад

    >_< i need a fast wind version of this for the 20" wheels on my tandem

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  10 месяцев назад

      Unfortunately we only got the one option available, but with a 52v battery and the use of controller field weakening you can still get quite a good speed (upwards of 30mph) in a 20 inch wheel

  • @mikeg6633
    @mikeg6633 Год назад

    Having a quick release is a good way to get your stuff ripped off where I live. They'll even take the skewer if that's all they can get. Tweeker, go figure. Please, please have the option of using regular nuts that can be secured.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад

      It'll work fine with any of the anti-theft bicycle skewers available too, and those are a harder for a rando to remove than regular nut which just requires a common wrench or pliers.

  • @AlenMajetic
    @AlenMajetic Год назад

    It would be very interesting to know how much regen can make a difference. If it's enough of a difference, a user could buy a smaller battery to cover same range as without regen. Lower the cost and weight of the bike. Please follow up with test results.

    • @SimonBrowneNZ
      @SimonBrowneNZ Год назад +2

      Alen The biggest reason for Regen is cost saving from extending brake pads and rotors. Battery recharging is more a by-product of this saving but can be useful in some situations where the terrain suits regen - and not all terrain does. Heavy or heavily laden bikes benefit most from regen. Grin / Justin did a video about this recently that is full of interesting facts.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/gYCj4asp9pE/видео.html specifically!

  • @vaxt
    @vaxt Год назад

    Do you need an external speed sensor, or is the speed signal being combined with the temp sensor like in the baserunner Z9?

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад

      It's actually coming from the standard motor hall sensors, as is normally the case with direct drive motors like this. A separate speed signal would be quite redundant.

    • @vaxt
      @vaxt Год назад

      @@GrinTechnologies oh! of course! Thanks!

  • @diyelectricbiker9361
    @diyelectricbiker9361 Год назад

    Very interesting

    • @vikferreira2137
      @vikferreira2137 Год назад

      What ate your plans for your Lego-batteries, will we be seeing phosphate type batteries will greater Amp hours available in the near future?

    • @diyelectricbiker9361
      @diyelectricbiker9361 Год назад

      @@vikferreira2137 what ? youre talking to wrong person i think.

  • @Vaioman67
    @Vaioman67 Год назад

    Do you have a kit to fit on a Tandem adding hub to rear wheel with a standard bolt on axle? Please no quick release.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад +1

      Many tandem bikes have a 145mm rather than 135mm rear dropout, so usually if people insist on a rear motor they would put a few washers on the axle to extend the length for a better fit. See ebikes.ca/learn/bike-compatibility.html#TandemBikes(100/145). The RH212, eZee, and SX2 all all rear bolt on motors that work great on tandem bikes with some spacers, and any front hub motor works fantastic too.

  • @whodunit5621
    @whodunit5621 Год назад +1

    You mentioned 3.2 as if it is out of beta? Any ETA for non beta 3.2

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад +1

      Good question. Beta 3.2b3 has proven to be quite stable with lots of users over the past 6 months so we may just make this release into the official 3.2, and save other minor feature additions for a 3.21 release.

    • @NX232
      @NX232 Год назад

      @@GrinTechnologies Will the release version have a fix for the backpedal regen / cruise control issue that's present in 3.2b3? Can't imagine it's a common issue to run into, but I know I'm not the only one looking forward to a fix. I've been running b3 almost as long as it's been available, and it's been great aside from that one issue.

    • @GrinTechnologies
      @GrinTechnologies  Год назад +1

      Yes it will!

  • @ianc1498
    @ianc1498 Год назад

    Need through axle!!!

  • @charlesballiet7074
    @charlesballiet7074 Год назад

    not shure what the capabilities offered by torque sensing is but cool

    • @LexYeen
      @LexYeen Год назад +1

      In short, torque sensing means that your ebike can tell how hard you're pushing the pedals. This allows the tiny computer running your ebike to do things like automatically vary the level of electric assistance you get based on how much force you're putting into the pedals.

    • @SimonBrowneNZ
      @SimonBrowneNZ Год назад +1

      I have BB torque sensor with All Axle and it is a game changer from throttle control. You pick the multiplier ratio on CA and the torque sensor provides that amount of power according to how hard you are pedalling - the resulting smooth assistance is truely wonderful. BTW my All Axle is on the front wheel - and works very well.

  • @tombley5760
    @tombley5760 Год назад +2

    Love a new Grin Tech video, but that "music" could have been penned by Satan himself. Bring back the Be-bop intro.

  • @hurrichad8871
    @hurrichad8871 5 месяцев назад

    Guys, whats with the background music? sheesh, turn it off please!