Stop your Taqiyya. Jesus was a Jew from Judea, not a Palestinian. The term “Palestinian” did not exist during his time, and no one identified as such in the first century. Additionally, Islam did not emerge until over six centuries after Jesus lived. Furthermore, the Quran, written centuries later, makes no mention of Palestinians, proving the complete falsehoods of these claims, which can be seen as examples of Taqiyya (deception) and Kitman (concealment). Jesus’ Jewish identity is unquestionable. He was born into a Jewish family in Judea, circumcised on the eighth day according to Jewish law, as described in Luke 2:21. Both the Gospels of Matthew and Luke trace his lineage back to King David, fulfilling Jewish Messianic expectations. Throughout his life, Jesus adhered to Jewish customs, celebrated festivals like Passover, and read from the Torah in synagogues. He never strayed from Jewish monotheism or identified with any other religious tradition. Claims that Jesus was a Palestinian Muslim ignore clear historical and scriptural evidence. In terms of language, Jesus spoke Aramaic and Hebrew, not Arabic. Aramaic was the common spoken language in first-century Judea, while Hebrew was used in religious contexts. The New Testament preserves Aramaic phrases spoken by Jesus, such as “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (Matthew 27:46). Arabic, the language of Arabia, was not spoken in Judea during this time and was entirely foreign to the region. The Quran, written in Arabic over six centuries later, had no connection to Jesus’ life or teachings. The claim that Jesus was a Palestinian Muslim is equally absurd. Jesus lived and preached between 4 BCE and 30 CE, while Islam did not emerge until the 7th century CE-more than 600 years later. How could Jesus belong to a religion that did not exist and identify with a people who were not yet invented? Jesus identified as the Jewish Messiah, fulfilling Jewish prophecies and teaching within the framework of Jewish scripture. His mission was firmly rooted in the covenant between God and Israel. There is no mention of Mohammed, the Quran, or Islam in his teachings. These claims also contradict both Christianity and Judaism. Christians regard Jesus as the Son of God and the fulfillment of Jewish Messianic prophecies. To label him as a Palestinian Muslim undermines core Christian theology. At the same time, Jesus’ Jewish heritage and adherence to the Torah are undeniable. Reinterpreting him through a modern Islamic or Palestinian lens erases his true historical and cultural roots. The Quran’s representation of biblical figures often lacks historical and geographical accuracy. For instance, it conflates Haman, a Persian official from the Book of Esther (c. 5th century BCE, in Persia), with Pharaoh’s story in Exodus (c. 13th century BCE, in Egypt)-despite a gap of approximately 800 years and entirely different geographical locations. Similarly, it confuses Mary (the mother of Jesus, born c. 1st century BCE, in Judea) with Miriam (the sister of Moses and Aaron, born c. 15th century BCE, in Egypt), despite nearly 1400 years and completely different locations separating them. These errors highlight a lack of historical understanding and geographical context, further undermining claims of divine revelation. The narrative that Jesus was a Palestinian Muslim is a complete fabrication, distorting history and theology. Jesus’ identity as a Jew from Judea, deeply rooted in Jewish traditions and prophecy, is well-documented and undeniable. These falsehoods serve only to rewrite history for political purposes, with no basis in fact.
Palestine is derived from the Hebrew word pelishtim and means invaders. The Romans under Emperor Hadrian renamed the region Syria-Palestine to denigrate the indigenous Jewish population after the third revolt in 135. This colonial construct was created over 100 years after the death of Jesus. Historically, there were only two colonial constructs called Palestine: the Roman province of Syria-Palestine and the British administrative territory of British Mandate Palestine. The Arabs who have called themselves Palestinians since 1964 are made up of a small proportion of the descendants of the Arab colonizers who occupied the Levant in the 7th century and an overwhelming majority are descendants of Arab guest workers who immigrated during the British Mandate. Even during the British Mandate, the British administration recognized that the indigenous population called their land Israel. The Arab-Muslim population under the leadership of the Nazi Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, advocated the designation Southern Syria. Anyone who claims that Jesus belonged to the people who call themselves Palestinians has, firstly, no idea of history, no idea of anthropology and, secondly, is an absolute idiot. Jesus was a Jew from Judea!
How ridiculous! You are right, it is an insult to Christians and Jews! Also, there are so many seriously great books about Jesus and Mary, for instance "Jesus and the Jewish roots of Mary" by Dr Brant Pitre or read Josephus. Bear Grylls should probably stay in his own lane.
Jesus is from the group of people that are today Palestinian anyone that thinks different is really not that bright did the people of that land vanish while all Jewish stolen Roman boats and ended up in Europe the people that are there now was the people of then till the Europeans showed up saying this is our land we follow a religion that originated in these lands starting with the 1917 Balfour declaration
Yes, a big part actually vanished and pop up in other parts of the mediteranean world. It was not the first time and not the last time these people moved. Not all moved to Europe. Some moved south to Alexandria, some more south towards Arabia and some years later the arabs discover a new religion based on monotheism, faszinating idea.
@@guidobolke5618 vanished in a poof of smoke yer some might of got into other parts of the Arabian peninsula but some of the romans converted and brought it round Europe the Europeans have no connection to the land 90% of the people never left and became Christian’s then Muslims when Saladin united them all to beat the crusaders
I'm curious to know. If Jesus was a Palestinian born in Palestine, does this mean they will stop accusing the Jews of killing Jesus and will start blaming the Palestinians? (FYI. It was the Romans)
Jesus was always a Jew. His parents could not be Palestinian when there were no such persons at that time. Even, those Arabs who attached themselves to that term did not do so until the 1960s and that was for public relations as suggested by the Soviets. Palestine was a place name given by the Romans and never a term indicating any identity group whether based on language, religion, culture, occupation, caste, or anything else. It was used to remove Jewish identity from the land. A Palestinian was a person living in Palestine whenever its rulers used that term for the land. Language works that way, for example, a Berliner lives in Berlin, a New Yorker lives in New York, etc.. Those terms connote no identity other than place.
Indeed, the term and the so-scalled Palestinian narrative" were coined in the Soviet KGB from mid-1960s, after the KGB agents came across Arafat at a Paris Hotel (April 1964), the KGB chairman reported to Nikita Khrushchev - with the KGB given a go-ahead on its operation of developing Arafat into a 'liberation' moveement to undermine the positions of "imperialists" (USA) in the Middle East - and to destabilize the region. (Summarizing from a declassified archival record.)
I often questioned the man's judgment in his survival endeavors...the things he ate and other practices that are contrary to that prescribed by survival manuals and the like; it might explain why he got ill and almost died from what he was eating; ironically, it occurred to me that if he'd adapted the laws of kashrus in the course of his adventures, he might not have gotten so sick from what he was eating! (But, I digress!)
There’s a few videos of him ´Deep’ in the ´wild’ that have been debunked. One he’s jumping across a deep ravine from on rock to another in the middle of nowhere so if he falls he won’t be found for days…. It’s rocks a few feet off the ground on the side of a busy highway 😂
It is possible that could be the interpretation although I agree it's understandable to be skeptical - that being said Jesus is interestingly not a revolutionary leader (as his disciples orignally thought) and was a philosophical leader (for the lack of word) and famously said our war is in the heart first before other people (although he isn't against "revolution" as seen with the temple scene, although maybe those people have already lost the war in the hearts).
Jesus gave the famous ‘Sermon on the Mount’. The ‘mountain’ was in Gallilee on the hills overlooking the Lake. There is an ancient church there commemorating this site. I have been there. The sermon was explaining the ‘Beatitudes’ which are a guide to holy living. One of Jesus ‘ beatitudes’ was Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy’!
There was no more an "Israeli" identity in 29 AD than a "Palestinian" one. Yes, there is no evidence that anyone in 29AD Judea would have been called Palestinian, as that basically would be calling them a Philistine , so the "Jesus was a Palestinian" theme as a stand-alone concept is problematic. A big HOWEVER, though, is the fact that today's Jews are disconnected, genetically, to Judean Jews, but Palestinians are not. The DNA evidence makes it pretty clear that if Jesus' immediate family had offspring, their genes would be far more prevalent in today's Palestinians and Levantine Christians than in today's Jews.
Jesus was a refugee just not a Palestinian. Jesus was a refugee in Egypt as an infant. The problem with referring to Jesus as a Palestinian is that we are told the Palestinians are an Arab ethnic group and the Arabs weren't in the Levant in any great numbers before the 7th century, 700 years after Jesus. The problem is people are so fast and loose with the terms Palestinian/ Palestine. It can't be both simply a Roman geographical term but also a distinct ethnic group.
That stuff about "Arabs" is all wrong. Please don't tell me that with the huge swath of land called the "Arab world", that you could possibly be duped into believing that they all emanated from Arabia. Most of this area is area to which the Arabic language spread along with Islam, with virtually no change of the people living in those lands, just much change of religion and language, like most ancient conquests. New foreign governments; same common people, for the most part. The DNA has spoken, and it says that the Palestinians, despite being called "Arab" because of *LANGUAGE*, are not Arabian, but are descended mostly from ancient Levantines, most likely the Judean Jews, as there was little of anyone else left in the area by Roman times, with Philistine and Canaanite culture having disappeared. It's time for all the myths about who people are and where they came from and all the logical dependencies to fall like dominoes, as empirical genetic facts render the myths and legends as impossible. The fact is, any genes in the world today from Mary, Joseph, and Jesus' siblings would actually mostly be in Palestinians and Levantine Christians, and not in Israeli Jews, other than the "Syrian Jews" who remained Jewish in the Levant for millennia. These are only a small minority of World or Israeli Jewry, most of whom have faint evidence of any Judean ancestry, being mostly other things, genetically, as descendants of mostly converts.
The person of Jesus only makes sense if he remains tied to the Tanakh, and in particular the prophets, his people (the Jew) and the land! Thanks for your point of view as a Jew!
If these people want to rewrite history they better get all the Christmas carols lyrics changed that mention Israel also have a word to Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber because according to them 🎼Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication, don’t you get me wrong🎼
The UNO defines a Palestinian as someone who lived in the area that was the British Mandate of Palestine before 1948 AND IS NOT JEWISH, or a descendent of such a person. So while Jesus would be a Palestinian because he lived in the right area, being Jewish excludes him and his descendants from being a considered a Palestinian, by UN definition.
Actually it was the Jews who were called “Palestinians” under the British Mandate of Palestine. It was the Arabs who didn’t want to be called “Palestinians”
I am sure Jonathan that you are aware of the origins regarding the notion that Jesus was a Palestinian. Nevertheless you don’t mention it in your talk. It was Yasser Arafat the first Chairman of the Palestinian Authority (created in effect by Israel) who wanted to stick it to the Israelis by claiming that Jesus was a Palestinian. Besides Muslims living in Palestine there are “some” - emphasis on some - Palestinians who are Christian (a shrinking minority, many have left because of the existence of the PA) . Mahmoud Abbas ,his successor continues this theme. This idea was then transmitted around the world to Palestinians supporters and useful idiots like Bear Grylls. One also has to understand the politics of our region. There is a Latin Patriach ,usually an Arab clergyman, in Jerusalem and other Palestinian entities there for historical reasons. But here are the figures. There are but 46,000 Christians in the PA. In Israel there are 185,000 Christians - 75% of whom are Arab Christians. So maybe we all have got it wrong. Not only was Jesus a Jew but also an Israeli !! Now wouldn’t that be something - just following PA logic.
Palistine doesn't even exist and you clearly don't know your history. Jewish people were there before Christianity and Muslims existed, Jewish people can be tested by dna unlike Christians and Muslims, arbs never went to that area till after romans kicked the Jews out but they didn't kick all of them out as alot of them turned into Christians by then and romans pushed Christianity. If jesus was a real reason he was Jewish by blood!!
Anyone who attempts to politicise Jesus Christ, is completely missing the point of Jesus' coming, His message and His teachings. Jesus Christ was not a refugee. He was an inhabitant of Judea and Samaria. He travelled and spread the message from God (YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah), to anyone who would listen. He was absolutely non-political, even urging people to give the Romans what was due to them, while giving God what was due to Him. The only recorded event where Jesus became angry, was when he cast out the money-lenders from the Temple. No other records of Jesus being anything other than calm, benign and doing kindness to people exist. He cured people, raised them from the dead and cast out demons. He overcame death itself and is alive today, as I write. Mr. Grylls is misguided - I hope he can read more and learn about the point of Jesus coming to earth, living life as a man and dying for all of us.
Mary was his earth mother! Don’t ignore Mary’s part in the birth of the human temple of God? God with Man abiding “ Emanuel”. And God made them male and female in his image! God’s image is like us humans! However God is Spirit, indeed the Holy Spirit. Our spirit will be resurrected and look like we did as humans on Earth. Just as Jesus came to see his disciples in the house, appearing before them and Doubting Thomas. Thomas and the other disciples saw Jesus as he looked as a man, not as a wispy spirit, so our spirit looks human, and God looks human though that’s because He made humans in his image!
Well if you are Muslim then you do believe that every Jewish (including Jesus) prophet and king was a Muslim and not Jewish because Muhammed hundreds to thousands of years later in some cases said that Allah revealed the "truth" to these leaders so they were de facto Muslims. Consquently I guess Mary and Joseph are Muslims too and I guess the apostles too.
I have not read the book but if he says that Mary and Joseph were Palestinians, that is obviously wrong. However, in reference to them being refugees, he is probably referring to the account of them fleeing to Egypt to escape Herod who, on hearing Jesus being referred to as the King of the Jews, plotted to kill him and indeed had all the baby boys, two years old and younger, in the area killed. Mary, Joseph and Jesus stayed in Egypt until they heard that Herod was dead (read Matthew chapter 2 for the full account). So to say they had been refugees is not wrong, and the church has always been concerned with the plight of genuine refugees. Unfortunately, some in the church have fallen for the false narrative of the Arabs of the region who call themselves Palestinians, and who are not genuine refugees. Now, I am assuming that the reference in the book to them being refugees was from Matthew 2 and if I’m correct then it would seem that the commentator has also not read the book as he assumes that their refugee status comes from their trip to Bethlehem for the census. I know that most Jews have not read the New Testament and steer clear of Christian literature, and understand that this time is particularly difficult for Jews in regard Palestinians, however, it would have been better to have read the book and then criticised the historicity of it’s account instead of insulting it’s author.
All these debates about the historical claims to the land based on religious texts and ancient history are preposterous. The Palestinians should not even give them credence by debating them. If such claims had any validity, there is barely a country standing that would not have to give back its territory to the descendants of ancient peoples. No such claims are recognized by international law, and for good reason.
So, why do Palestinian Arabs have any claim to the land? Their claim is that they conquered it in the 7th century from the Byzantine Empire (Christian Rome). Rome conquered it from the Jews. The Jews were the only people that established lasting sovereign states there other than the canaanites (a people that do not exist any longer). The Romas exiled and killed more than half the population of Judea and then named it Syria Palestina as an insult. There were still Jews in the now "Palestine." The Romans then encouraged people from the region of their empire to settle, including Greeks and Armenians. Over time Jews become the minority. However, they still were there. In the 1800s Jews from mostly Europe bought land from the Ottoman Empire that possessed Palestine for 400 years. It no longer belonged to any Arab people! So, why again do Arabs claim it is theirs? If it weren't for the British who defeated the Ottomans, they would have still been under Turkish rule. Since the land now belonged to Britain, it was decided to spit the land. All the land that the Arabs were mostly concentrated in, that was in fact most of the "sacred" land to the Jews, went to them. The Jews got the land that they purchased from the Ottoman Empire and from individual Arabs who sold land to them. Most of what they got was desert and swamp land. After the Arab League tired to wipe them out in 1948 and they won the war, all Arab claims were supposed to be nullified according to international law and precedent at the time. The only reason they were allowed to continue making claims is that the US and other Western countries did not want the Arabs to side with the Soviet Union. In addition to all of this, Jordan was established as a country as well. The British awarded it to the Hashemite Arabs since they were instrumental in helping them defeat the Ottoman Empire. Where are the claims of illegitimacy there? When they captured the West Bank and Egypt captured Gaza, why didn't they declare a country of Palestine then? Also, all Arabic Countries E-cleansed all the Jews from their lands including Egypt that pushed out the Jewish community there which existed for 1300 years before the Arab conquest. Where are the calls for return there? Since Arabs e-cleaned their lands of Jews, it actually pushed the Jewish population to be about 50% of Middle Eastern Jews. 20% of the population are Arabs. How many Jews live in Arab countries again? The reality is that Israel was created according to the standars of the time which saw the rise of ethnic state formation of the 1800-1900s.
This is gutter journalism. Zero discussion of the facts, just slander against bear Grylls. shameful The parents of Jesus were from Galilee, the northernmost region of ancient Palestine, corresponding to modern northern Israel. They had to flee their own land and take REFUGE in Egypt to give to birth to Jesus. So yes, it's fair to describe Jesus as a Palestinian REFUGEE. Whether you like it or not
IMO I think these are grasping for straws just to fit that narrative, yes I know they fled to Egypt to wait until Herod - the JUDEAN king - stops attacking babies who think they'd usurps his throne. A more similar scenario would be the many internally displaced Israelis or those who fled to America just to keep safe (which many Israel haters say proof that Israelis are emigrating in droves).
Only that there was no "Palestine" in Jesus time - Judaea would be renamed as Roman Province of Syria-Palaestina by Roman Emperor Hadrian only in 136 AD. This is an indisputable fact. The rest - delusionary (and ignorant) concoctions.
Jesus was born just before the Romans named Palestine he grew up in Palestine and is from the group of people that are today Palestinians Jesus born in 4bc and Romans naming Palestine in 2bc
Palestine was named by the Roman emperor Hadrian in AD135 (by which time the Messiah had long since ascended back to His Father). The Messiah was an orthodox Jew (of the Israelite tribe of Judah) Who was born and lived in Israel, which, throughout his life, was occupied by the Romans but, except for his brief sojourn in Egypt as a child, he was never a refugee and NEVER a Palestinian. Simonline 🏴🤔🙏😀👍🇮🇱
@simonline1194 Palestinians are canaanites and have always been there the same group of people that became Christians then when saladin United them most became Muslim he United them to beat the crusaders the modern day European zionist has no connection to that land cos there ancestors in Europe followed the Jewish religion
It's the flavour of the day, isn't it? Re-writing history, re-writing characters, re-writing conflicts... to appease certain groups.
PAID highly likely.
George Orwell warned us of this.
That's it. Creating a new false narrative.
Grylls will probably realise soon enough the type of people that follow his version of history don’t actually read books . Wrong target audience.
Exactly, troglodytes don’t read.
Lol
What?? The word Palestine didn't even exist during Jesus time 😂😂😂
Palestine was the Greek Name for Israel given by the Greek Herodotus in 600 BC.
No it was given to JORDAN by the Greek. The Romans Conquered Israel. Judea wasnr renamed until AFTER Jesus's death. @luisdotgarcia
Jesus is from the group of people that is Palestinian today and it was named 2000 years ago when they was naming Britain both by the romans
Stop your Taqiyya. Jesus was a Jew from Judea, not a Palestinian. The term “Palestinian” did not exist during his time, and no one identified as such in the first century. Additionally, Islam did not emerge until over six centuries after Jesus lived. Furthermore, the Quran, written centuries later, makes no mention of Palestinians, proving the complete falsehoods of these claims, which can be seen as examples of Taqiyya (deception) and Kitman (concealment).
Jesus’ Jewish identity is unquestionable. He was born into a Jewish family in Judea, circumcised on the eighth day according to Jewish law, as described in Luke 2:21. Both the Gospels of Matthew and Luke trace his lineage back to King David, fulfilling Jewish Messianic expectations. Throughout his life, Jesus adhered to Jewish customs, celebrated festivals like Passover, and read from the Torah in synagogues. He never strayed from Jewish monotheism or identified with any other religious tradition. Claims that Jesus was a Palestinian Muslim ignore clear historical and scriptural evidence.
In terms of language, Jesus spoke Aramaic and Hebrew, not Arabic. Aramaic was the common spoken language in first-century Judea, while Hebrew was used in religious contexts. The New Testament preserves Aramaic phrases spoken by Jesus, such as “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (Matthew 27:46). Arabic, the language of Arabia, was not spoken in Judea during this time and was entirely foreign to the region. The Quran, written in Arabic over six centuries later, had no connection to Jesus’ life or teachings.
The claim that Jesus was a Palestinian Muslim is equally absurd. Jesus lived and preached between 4 BCE and 30 CE, while Islam did not emerge until the 7th century CE-more than 600 years later. How could Jesus belong to a religion that did not exist and identify with a people who were not yet invented? Jesus identified as the Jewish Messiah, fulfilling Jewish prophecies and teaching within the framework of Jewish scripture. His mission was firmly rooted in the covenant between God and Israel. There is no mention of Mohammed, the Quran, or Islam in his teachings.
These claims also contradict both Christianity and Judaism. Christians regard Jesus as the Son of God and the fulfillment of Jewish Messianic prophecies. To label him as a Palestinian Muslim undermines core Christian theology. At the same time, Jesus’ Jewish heritage and adherence to the Torah are undeniable. Reinterpreting him through a modern Islamic or Palestinian lens erases his true historical and cultural roots.
The Quran’s representation of biblical figures often lacks historical and geographical accuracy. For instance, it conflates Haman, a Persian official from the Book of Esther (c. 5th century BCE, in Persia), with Pharaoh’s story in Exodus (c. 13th century BCE, in Egypt)-despite a gap of approximately 800 years and entirely different geographical locations. Similarly, it confuses Mary (the mother of Jesus, born c. 1st century BCE, in Judea) with Miriam (the sister of Moses and Aaron, born c. 15th century BCE, in Egypt), despite nearly 1400 years and completely different locations separating them. These errors highlight a lack of historical understanding and geographical context, further undermining claims of divine revelation.
The narrative that Jesus was a Palestinian Muslim is a complete fabrication, distorting history and theology. Jesus’ identity as a Jew from Judea, deeply rooted in Jewish traditions and prophecy, is well-documented and undeniable. These falsehoods serve only to rewrite history for political purposes, with no basis in fact.
Palestine is derived from the Hebrew word pelishtim and means invaders. The Romans under Emperor Hadrian renamed the region Syria-Palestine to denigrate the indigenous Jewish population after the third revolt in 135. This colonial construct was created over 100 years after the death of Jesus. Historically, there were only two colonial constructs called Palestine: the Roman province of Syria-Palestine and the British administrative territory of British Mandate Palestine. The Arabs who have called themselves Palestinians since 1964 are made up of a small proportion of the descendants of the Arab colonizers who occupied the Levant in the 7th century and an overwhelming majority are descendants of Arab guest workers who immigrated during the British Mandate. Even during the British Mandate, the British administration recognized that the indigenous population called their land Israel. The Arab-Muslim population under the leadership of the Nazi Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, advocated the designation Southern Syria.
Anyone who claims that Jesus belonged to the people who call themselves Palestinians has, firstly, no idea of history, no idea of anthropology and, secondly, is an absolute idiot.
Jesus was a Jew from Judea!
its like calling the aztecs mexicans
They were called Mexica, Aztec was an exonym.
Very good analogy
Thank you Jonathon.
Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah ❤🙏🏽🎄✝️✡️🇺🇸🇮🇱
How ridiculous! You are right, it is an insult to Christians and Jews! Also, there are so many seriously great books about Jesus and Mary, for instance "Jesus and the Jewish roots of Mary" by Dr Brant Pitre or read Josephus. Bear Grylls should probably stay in his own lane.
How is it an insult ?
He never mentioned his religion
I've come to the conclusion that the majority of tv celebrities really aren't very bright
Correct!
Jesus is from the group of people that are today Palestinian anyone that thinks different is really not that bright did the people of that land vanish while all Jewish stolen Roman boats and ended up in Europe the people that are there now was the people of then till the Europeans showed up saying this is our land we follow a religion that originated in these lands starting with the 1917 Balfour declaration
Yes, a big part actually vanished and pop up in other parts of the mediteranean world. It was not the first time and not the last time these people moved. Not all moved to Europe. Some moved south to Alexandria, some more south towards Arabia and some years later the arabs discover a new religion based on monotheism, faszinating idea.
@Zjax422 You're the one not that bright. Jesus was Jewish Historians have proven it. There was NO Palastine in Jesus's time. Learn History.
@@guidobolke5618 vanished in a poof of smoke yer some might of got into other parts of the Arabian peninsula but some of the romans converted and brought it round Europe the Europeans have no connection to the land 90% of the people never left and became Christian’s then Muslims when Saladin united them all to beat the crusaders
I'm curious to know. If Jesus was a Palestinian born in Palestine, does this mean they will stop accusing the Jews of killing Jesus and will start blaming the Palestinians?
(FYI. It was the Romans)
Jesus was always a Jew. His parents could not be Palestinian when there were no such persons at that time. Even, those Arabs who attached themselves to that term did not do so until the 1960s and that was for public relations as suggested by the Soviets. Palestine was a place name given by the Romans and never a term indicating any identity group whether based on language, religion, culture, occupation, caste, or anything else. It was used to remove Jewish identity from the land. A Palestinian was a person living in Palestine whenever its rulers used that term for the land. Language works that way, for example, a Berliner lives in Berlin, a New Yorker lives in New York, etc.. Those terms connote no identity other than place.
Indeed, the term and the so-scalled Palestinian narrative" were coined in the Soviet KGB from mid-1960s, after the KGB agents came across Arafat at a Paris Hotel (April 1964), the KGB chairman reported to Nikita Khrushchev - with the KGB given a go-ahead on its operation of developing Arafat into a 'liberation' moveement to undermine the positions of "imperialists" (USA) in the Middle East - and to destabilize the region. (Summarizing from a declassified archival record.)
Grylls never mentioned his religion. We do know that Jesus definitely wasn’t Israeli though 😊
@@trevaudioNot sure what you mean. Jesus came from the 12 tribes of Israel.
Even the Romans called Jesus, "King of the Jews". They put up a sign in front of the cross with that written on.
I often questioned the man's judgment in his survival endeavors...the things he ate and other practices that are contrary to that prescribed by survival manuals and the like; it might explain why he got ill and almost died from what he was eating; ironically, it occurred to me that if he'd adapted the laws of kashrus in the course of his adventures, he might not have gotten so sick from what he was eating! (But, I digress!)
There’s a few videos of him ´Deep’ in the ´wild’ that have been debunked. One he’s jumping across a deep ravine from on rock to another in the middle of nowhere so if he falls he won’t be found for days…. It’s rocks a few feet off the ground on the side of a busy highway 😂
It’s another example of the modern idea that the actual true history of anything can be distorted for your own use.
Judea was occupied by the Romans, of course.
It is possible that could be the interpretation although I agree it's understandable to be skeptical - that being said Jesus is interestingly not a revolutionary leader (as his disciples orignally thought) and was a philosophical leader (for the lack of word) and famously said our war is in the heart first before other people (although he isn't against "revolution" as seen with the temple scene, although maybe those people have already lost the war in the hearts).
Jesus gave the famous
‘Sermon on the Mount’. The ‘mountain’ was in Gallilee on the hills overlooking the Lake. There is an ancient church there commemorating this site. I have been there. The sermon was explaining the ‘Beatitudes’ which are a guide to holy living. One of Jesus ‘ beatitudes’ was Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy’!
And ?
If ever there was an historic Jesus he was a Jew and an Israeli ❤🇮🇱
There was no more an "Israeli" identity in 29 AD than a "Palestinian" one. Yes, there is no evidence that anyone in 29AD Judea would have been called Palestinian, as that basically would be calling them a Philistine , so the "Jesus was a Palestinian" theme as a stand-alone concept is problematic. A big HOWEVER, though, is the fact that today's Jews are disconnected, genetically, to Judean Jews, but Palestinians are not. The DNA evidence makes it pretty clear that if Jesus' immediate family had offspring, their genes would be far more prevalent in today's Palestinians and Levantine Christians than in today's Jews.
Jesus was a refugee just not a Palestinian. Jesus was a refugee in Egypt as an infant. The problem with referring to Jesus as a Palestinian is that we are told the Palestinians are an Arab ethnic group and the Arabs weren't in the Levant in any great numbers before the 7th century, 700 years after Jesus. The problem is people are so fast and loose with the terms Palestinian/ Palestine. It can't be both simply a Roman geographical term but also a distinct ethnic group.
That stuff about "Arabs" is all wrong. Please don't tell me that with the huge swath of land called the "Arab world", that you could possibly be duped into believing that they all emanated from Arabia. Most of this area is area to which the Arabic language spread along with Islam, with virtually no change of the people living in those lands, just much change of religion and language, like most ancient conquests. New foreign governments; same common people, for the most part.
The DNA has spoken, and it says that the Palestinians, despite being called "Arab" because of *LANGUAGE*, are not Arabian, but are descended mostly from ancient Levantines, most likely the Judean Jews, as there was little of anyone else left in the area by Roman times, with Philistine and Canaanite culture having disappeared.
It's time for all the myths about who people are and where they came from and all the logical dependencies to fall like dominoes, as empirical genetic facts render the myths and legends as impossible.
The fact is, any genes in the world today from Mary, Joseph, and Jesus' siblings would actually mostly be in Palestinians and Levantine Christians, and not in Israeli Jews, other than the "Syrian Jews" who remained Jewish in the Levant for millennia. These are only a small minority of World or Israeli Jewry, most of whom have faint evidence of any Judean ancestry, being mostly other things, genetically, as descendants of mostly converts.
The person of Jesus only makes sense if he remains tied to the Tanakh, and in particular the prophets, his people (the Jew) and the land! Thanks for your point of view as a Jew!
Amen Jonathan. Keep going. Bravo.
If these people want to rewrite history they better get all the Christmas carols lyrics changed that mention Israel also have a word to Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber because according to them
🎼Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication, don’t you get me wrong🎼
Jesus is the Messiah! King of Israel!
Israel didn’t exist
Wonder what russell brand will say about this. Is this not the man who was trying to do the john the baptist bit in the thames
The UNO defines a Palestinian as someone who lived in the area that was the British Mandate of Palestine before 1948 AND IS NOT JEWISH, or a descendent of such a person.
So while Jesus would be a Palestinian because he lived in the right area, being Jewish excludes him and his descendants from being a considered a Palestinian, by UN definition.
That definition does not extend that far back. It includes only the years 1946 - 1948.
Actually it was the Jews who were called “Palestinians” under the British Mandate of Palestine. It was the Arabs who didn’t want to be called “Palestinians”
There are no Palestinian Refugees without UNRWA. How establish it? Tiberius Caesar?
I am sure Jonathan that you are aware of the origins regarding the notion that Jesus was a Palestinian. Nevertheless you don’t mention it in your talk. It was Yasser Arafat the first Chairman of the Palestinian Authority (created in effect by Israel) who wanted to stick it to the Israelis by claiming that Jesus was a Palestinian. Besides Muslims living in Palestine there are “some” - emphasis on some - Palestinians who are Christian (a shrinking minority, many have left because of the existence of the PA) . Mahmoud Abbas ,his successor continues this theme. This idea was then transmitted around the world to Palestinians supporters and useful idiots like Bear Grylls. One also has to understand the politics of our region. There is a Latin Patriach ,usually an Arab clergyman, in Jerusalem and other Palestinian entities there for historical reasons. But here are the figures. There are but 46,000 Christians in the PA. In Israel there are 185,000 Christians - 75% of whom are Arab Christians. So maybe we all have got it wrong. Not only was Jesus a Jew but also an Israeli !! Now wouldn’t that be something - just following PA logic.
It's a shame that Abbas has managed to impose that funny fake (that Jesus was a Palestinian) into the Pope's leftwing mind.
Palistine doesn't even exist and you clearly don't know your history. Jewish people were there before Christianity and Muslims existed, Jewish people can be tested by dna unlike Christians and Muslims, arbs never went to that area till after romans kicked the Jews out but they didn't kick all of them out as alot of them turned into Christians by then and romans pushed Christianity. If jesus was a real reason he was Jewish by blood!!
According to the sumerians account he is an alien so maybe one day soon we will all find out the truth.
Well he most definitely was not Israeli.
Nonhe was .not palestinian
“Politicise their religion” 😂
Anyone who attempts to politicise Jesus Christ, is completely missing the point of Jesus' coming, His message and His teachings.
Jesus Christ was not a refugee. He was an inhabitant of Judea and Samaria. He travelled and spread the message from God (YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah), to anyone who would listen.
He was absolutely non-political, even urging people to give the Romans what was due to them, while giving God what was due to Him.
The only recorded event where Jesus became angry, was when he cast out the money-lenders from the Temple. No other records of Jesus being anything other than calm, benign and doing kindness to people exist. He cured people, raised them from the dead and cast out demons. He overcame death itself and is alive today, as I write.
Mr. Grylls is misguided - I hope he can read more and learn about the point of Jesus coming to earth, living life as a man and dying for all of us.
Greed and personal kudos seem to be the motivator here. Les Hiddins 'The bushtucker man' called bear grease a 'dill'
So according to this book, was Jesus a Palestinian Jew?
Israeli made a wonderfull sketch about this, hilarious
How funny. I don't see it flying.
BG on his quest to stay relevant, earn money, a little fame perhaps...
JESUS WAS DIVINE BIRTH WITH NO PARENTS BUT GOD
Mary was his earth mother! Don’t ignore Mary’s part in the birth of the human temple of God? God with Man abiding “ Emanuel”. And God made them male and female in his image!
God’s image is like us humans! However God is Spirit, indeed the Holy Spirit. Our spirit will be resurrected and look like we did as humans on Earth. Just as Jesus came to see his disciples in the house, appearing before them and Doubting Thomas. Thomas and the other disciples saw Jesus as he looked as a man, not as a wispy spirit, so our spirit looks human, and God looks human though that’s because He made humans in his image!
Palestine Philistine, not much of a difference as far as I can tell.
Well if you are Muslim then you do believe that every Jewish (including Jesus) prophet and king was a Muslim and not Jewish because Muhammed hundreds to thousands of years later in some cases said that Allah revealed the "truth" to these leaders so they were de facto Muslims. Consquently I guess Mary and Joseph are Muslims too and I guess the apostles too.
Jesus was born during Arafat's lifetime?
Apparently so.😂
I have not read the book but if he says that Mary and Joseph were Palestinians, that is obviously wrong. However, in reference to them being refugees, he is probably referring to the account of them fleeing to Egypt to escape Herod who, on hearing Jesus being referred to as the King of the Jews, plotted to kill him and indeed had all the baby boys, two years old and younger, in the area killed. Mary, Joseph and Jesus stayed in Egypt until they heard that Herod was dead (read Matthew chapter 2 for the full account). So to say they had been refugees is not wrong, and the church has always been concerned with the plight of genuine refugees. Unfortunately, some in the church have fallen for the false narrative of the Arabs of the region who call themselves Palestinians, and who are not genuine refugees.
Now, I am assuming that the reference in the book to them being refugees was from Matthew 2 and if I’m correct then it would seem that the commentator has also not read the book as he assumes that their refugee status comes from their trip to Bethlehem for the census. I know that most Jews have not read the New Testament and steer clear of Christian literature, and understand that this time is particularly difficult for Jews in regard Palestinians, however, it would have been better to have read the book and then criticised the historicity of it’s account instead of insulting it’s author.
Well, they most definitely were not Israeli
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That's disappointing he is just so wrong on every count on this, better to stick to survival videos if he is going to put out that nonsense
All these debates about the historical claims to the land based on religious texts and ancient history are preposterous. The Palestinians should not even give them credence by debating them. If such claims had any validity, there is barely a country standing that would not have to give back its territory to the descendants of ancient peoples. No such claims are recognized by international law, and for good reason.
So, why do Palestinian Arabs have any claim to the land? Their claim is that they conquered it in the 7th century from the Byzantine Empire (Christian Rome). Rome conquered it from the Jews. The Jews were the only people that established lasting sovereign states there other than the canaanites (a people that do not exist any longer). The Romas exiled and killed more than half the population of Judea and then named it Syria Palestina as an insult. There were still Jews in the now "Palestine." The Romans then encouraged people from the region of their empire to settle, including Greeks and Armenians. Over time Jews become the minority. However, they still were there. In the 1800s Jews from mostly Europe bought land from the Ottoman Empire that possessed Palestine for 400 years. It no longer belonged to any Arab people! So, why again do Arabs claim it is theirs? If it weren't for the British who defeated the Ottomans, they would have still been under Turkish rule. Since the land now belonged to Britain, it was decided to spit the land. All the land that the Arabs were mostly concentrated in, that was in fact most of the "sacred" land to the Jews, went to them. The Jews got the land that they purchased from the Ottoman Empire and from individual Arabs who sold land to them. Most of what they got was desert and swamp land. After the Arab League tired to wipe them out in 1948 and they won the war, all Arab claims were supposed to be nullified according to international law and precedent at the time. The only reason they were allowed to continue making claims is that the US and other Western countries did not want the Arabs to side with the Soviet Union. In addition to all of this, Jordan was established as a country as well. The British awarded it to the Hashemite Arabs since they were instrumental in helping them defeat the Ottoman Empire. Where are the claims of illegitimacy there? When they captured the West Bank and Egypt captured Gaza, why didn't they declare a country of Palestine then? Also, all Arabic Countries E-cleansed all the Jews from their lands including Egypt that pushed out the Jewish community there which existed for 1300 years before the Arab conquest. Where are the calls for return there? Since Arabs e-cleaned their lands of Jews, it actually pushed the Jewish population to be about 50% of Middle Eastern Jews. 20% of the population are Arabs. How many Jews live in Arab countries again? The reality is that Israel was created according to the standars of the time which saw the rise of ethnic state formation of the 1800-1900s.
This is gutter journalism. Zero discussion of the facts, just slander against bear Grylls. shameful
The parents of Jesus were from Galilee, the northernmost region of ancient Palestine, corresponding to modern northern Israel. They had to flee their own land and take REFUGE in Egypt to give to birth to Jesus.
So yes, it's fair to describe Jesus as a Palestinian REFUGEE. Whether you like it or not
🐻 is shameful
IMO I think these are grasping for straws just to fit that narrative, yes I know they fled to Egypt to wait until Herod - the JUDEAN king - stops attacking babies who think they'd usurps his throne.
A more similar scenario would be the many internally displaced Israelis or those who fled to America just to keep safe (which many Israel haters say proof that Israelis are emigrating in droves).
Let me guess, Jesus was also a Muslim? 🤣🤣🤣. You people are so funny
No it isn't. Whether you like it or not.
Only that there was no "Palestine" in Jesus time - Judaea would be renamed as Roman Province of Syria-Palaestina by Roman Emperor Hadrian only in 136 AD. This is an indisputable fact. The rest - delusionary (and ignorant) concoctions.
1964 this is the time when they create people with the name, Palestinian
Enjoyed his content, very disappointed.
Jesus was born just before the Romans named Palestine he grew up in Palestine and is from the group of people that are today Palestinians Jesus born in 4bc and Romans naming Palestine in 2bc
😂 Nope. The Roman ( actual) Colonialists named it that, to delete Jewish identity 100 years after Jesus's resurrection. Nice try.
Palestine was named by the Roman emperor Hadrian in AD135 (by which time the Messiah had long since ascended back to His Father). The Messiah was an orthodox Jew (of the Israelite tribe of Judah) Who was born and lived in Israel, which, throughout his life, was occupied by the Romans but, except for his brief sojourn in Egypt as a child, he was never a refugee and NEVER a Palestinian.
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Israel did not exist at the time 😊
@@simonline1194 the Palestinians are canaanites and have always been there
@simonline1194 Palestinians are canaanites and have always been there the same group of people that became Christians then when saladin United them most became Muslim he United them to beat the crusaders the modern day European zionist has no connection to that land cos there ancestors in Europe followed the Jewish religion