Evolution of the Philadelphia Subway & PATCO Speedline | 1907 - 2023
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2021
- History of the Philadelphia Subway operated by the Philadelphia Rapid Transit Company, Philadelphia Transport Company, the Port Authority Transit Corporation, and the Southeast Pennsylvania Transportation Company from its opening in 1907 to the reopening of the Franklin Square station in 2023.
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Wow! I'm a tram and I approve this video ding ding!
Thanks :)
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Trolley, not tram.
@@RedArrow73 Tram is the current term in Europe
Great video! I think the video could’ve been condensed to 6 minutes considering the large amount of time with nothing going on. I can’t wait for VanishingUnderground or MetroLiner to make their own Philadelphia videos someday too.
There is a lot of nothing - that's the best way to show it! LOL.
@@Direction-North I find that insulting as I was from Philadelphia until literally the end of March. Lots of memories on SEPTA Subway and PATCO High Speed Lines.
In 2003 you forgot that bridge-Pratt was closed and replaced by frankford transportation center
The Bridge Line was never part of the Ridge Spur. It was always a separate line, but it through routed with the Ridge Spur to form 3 services:
Girard - 8th
Broadway - 8th (later 16th/Locust)
Girard - Broadway via 8th
Everything ended at 8th St until the Locust St Subway opened in 1953.
Later services also sometimes ran from Girard to 16th St.
Good history here. I could recommend finishing with the proposals for system expansion that have been made over the years. 1. Extension of the Subway to the Navy Yard. 2. The Roosevelt Subway and El extension to the Blvd and Levick. I'm told this one has been at the top of the Federal DOT's list of "New Starts" for many years due to its potential for high use. 3. Northwest extension up Stenton Ave, and 4. the SW Philly extension off the Subway near Snyder. Items 2,3,4 would use existing flying junctions on the Subway mainline.
I think #1 is only one that has a real chance.
Here’s a couple of things; The first segment of the Market-Frankford line ran from 69th Street to 15th Street. 2nd, The first segment of the Broad Street Subway ran from Olney (not Ogontz) to Walnut-Locust. 3rd, the I-95 relocation happened in 1975. 4th, the Ridge Avenue Spur closed because of a) a lack of running subway cars (before the Kawasakis arrived) and b) construction of the commuter tunnel.
The station is called Olney not Ogontz . 1973 the station was called Pattison not NRG.
8:05 in 1973, construction of the Philadelphia Sports Complex at Broad and Pattison Ave served as the impetus for this extension. Veterans Stadium was only 2 years old in 1973. The extension was to Pattison station, not NRG. Corporate names like NRG came decades later, but many Philadelphians resist this corporate naming of government-owned facilities and still refer to the stop as Pattison.
I don't live in Philly, and I don't really do VU style research. I will look into past names in future videos.
@@Direction-North I appreciate the effort, especially for a city you're not personally familiar with. The city school district had so few school buses that unless you were special needs, you had to use SEPTA to get to high school, so I had to cut my teeth on "the system" back then (1979-1983). I did some exploring during that time and college through 1988. This made me in a kind of railfan.
@@Direction-North Before NRG, it was called "AT&T" station but the official name is still Pattison. The Stadium complex (arena; MLB; and NFL) being located there is the reason for the corporate sponsor stops
Franklin Square operation dates:
Opened 1936, 1943, 1952, 1976
Closed 1939, 1946, 1953, 1979
Closures were due to low ridership at the times.
69th street (nice) terminal/ transportation center was missed and it wasn't ogontz station it was Olney 👍
8:42 There was no stoppage in service on the El during the I-95 work. I remember a temporary wooden structure being used, and photos exist of this. With Fairmount station ripped out, trains just drove straight through, albeit at slow speed.
I did not say there was stoppage.
@@Direction-North When the Broad Ridge spur was undergoing refurb, you took it off the map for the two year span. Pulling it from the map was a good indication it was out of service. For the El, the Fairmount stop was removed, showing no stops from Girard to 2nd St. I rode trains through the work zone at that time and can remember how odd it was, seeing we were on a wooden structure. Perhaps the work zone segment could have been drawn with dots or dashes, and/or alternating color? But pulling the zone from the map indicates the line was cut in two, with no trains getting through. Back in 2001, the SEPTA R5 commuter line did get severed in two when a flood wiped out a bridge, lasted two months with shuttle buses bridging the gap.
@@dtvjho I thought you were talking about something else. Whoops. Yeah, I saw one station closed and assumed the whole spur was closed. My bad.
Awesome video!
Thanks!
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing it. I grew up in South Philadelphia and lived two blocks from Broad Street below Oregon. I was 13 when the subway was being extended from Snyder Ave to Pattison Ave. I would hang out and watch them excavating the tunnels after school and found many an antique bottle that was unearthed. The area was originally lowlands and was all filled in; hence, the old bottles. I still have a few.
Good video. Thanks. I would point out that the Woodcrest station on the PATCO Speedline didn’t open until 1980
Goddammit, another error!
Not to be a "pain" but Walnut-Locust opened in 1930 and opened at Lombard -South in 1932. We Philly folks are kinda close to the heart when it comes to our city!
Don't worry. Maybe a reupload will come someday, because I'm kind of terrible at research :)
Lombard-South also opened in 1930, not 1932.
@@blue9multimediagroup I stand corrected, thx!
There is no Ogontz on the BSL
You mean Olney
And the original segment opened 09.01.1928 between Olney and City Hall
It wasn't extended to South St until 1930
Bridge Line trains interlined with Ridge Spur trains all the way up until 1967 when the Delaware River Port Authority bought the BL from PTC. PTC (and later SEPTA after it took over PTC in 1968) shared ownership of the BL until 1968 when the DRPA finished completion of the PATCO line. The 2 lines were separated completely after that point due to signal differences.
Haven't been many changes in some time, but I think that could change in the not-to-distant future if the Roosevelt Boulevard Subway is constructed. It has huge potential to connect many fairly dense and underserved parts of Northeast Philadelphia.
Wish the Subway Surface Extensions of 1955 were shown.
On balance, I like the effort.
So basically the subway never changed in 100 years
That's basically it.
MFL History is a little off:
03.04.1907
Market St elevated opens between 69th and 15th
08.03.1908
Extended to 2nd St
09.07.1908
Extended to Delaware & Chestnut
10.04.1908
Extended to Delaware & South
PTC took over the PRT in 1939 and PTC service started 01.01.1940
Fantastic video. Does anybody know why patco was separated from the SEPTA subway system? Is there any possibility that some of the closed stations could be opened again, for example the Franklin square station?
The Franklin Square station is scheduled to reopen sometime this year, if my research is correct! I think it's because PATCO operates mainly in New Jersey, and we all know how politics works ...
@@Direction-North in that case PATH and PATCO should be the same company lol
@@GamerRobYT PATH is operated by the Port Authority because they wanted the land for the World Trade Center, so they took over the Hudson Tubes to appease politicians.
They have always been 2 separate systems. Different gauge track on the PATCO and BSL lines. The Bridge line opened in 1936 and it was PRT then PTC before SEPTA.
@@raymondkerstetter2884 The BSL and the Market Frankford Line are different gauges yet in the same system. Fragmenting the mass transit systems makes them less effective.
Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA)
8:06 extends to NRG? Really? The street is called Pattison.
According to current maps, the station is called NRG, though older maps show "Patterson." Not being Vanishing Underground, I don't do that kind of research.
@@Direction-North Patterson NJ... Pattison Ave. I can understand the confusion, similar names. Your video is going to attack people familiar with the SEPTA system, and hoping they land a hand to make the video even better and more accurate. SEPTA fans would like to see more built in Philly, seeing all the new stuff NYC keeps putting in (a bit of jealousy) but the current board structure isn't conducive to that. Please do keep up the videos!
You left out the Spring Garden dot on the Ridge Spur and failed to show that Fairmount on the Ridge is a separate station that is connected only now to the NB Main Line platform.
He actually did put the Spring Garden Dot on the RS. The other parts he missed
I'm so glad you proved a history of subways. Since, I had been insulted by the North and South Philadelphians (when I was teen) that West Line is too short between the stops, too old and no view (but to me there is a view of Center City). And that they could say the "East" (a part of North) Line is better, the beautiful view and long between the stops. And the Broad Street (not Express) Line is better and quick between the stops.
Now, I'm free with your proof that the West Line is ancient and very first. Yes! Thank you for sharing.
What are these directional lines you're referencing?
@@blue9multimediagroup West Line is Market Line and North ("East") Line is Frankford Line are the El (or EL) train or trains.
Subway-Surface Lines are missing
From 1907 a longggggg time ago
1907, not very long for me.
Hmmm is there a message to this maybe ? 🤔🤔
What about the Norristown line
Covered in a different video
dumb dumb comment my friend
SEPTA doesn't own the BSL.
The city of Philadelphia owns it and leases it to SEPTA to operate.
Nothing about the 69th Street station.
I don't see a change in its status ... ?