Is Controller COMPETITIVE? - 2000 HOUR Controller Player Dogfights EXPERT PC Player
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Strybo - Curse
Blue Dream - Cheel
Does It Float_ - Otis McDonald
Sun Awakening - Futuremono
Legionnaire - Scott Buckley
Race The Sun - Scott Buckley
Rites Of Passage - Scott Buckley
Beethoven - Symphony No.7 in A major op.92 - II, Allegretto
Into the Unknown - Scott Buckley
0:00 - Intro
0:27 - Context
1:06 - The Test
1:34 - The Lineup
3:08 - Rank I
5:11 - Rank II
7:32 - Rank III
9:08 - Rank IV
10:57 - Rank V
14:07 - Rank VI
15:52 - Rank VII
17:35 - Rank VIII
20:57 - Final Results
21:33 - Interview
24:42 - Outro 
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your playlist called favorites sounds like some very depressing music
I play on donky kong bongos but it really doesn't matter what you play with as long as you have situational awareness and know somewhat to control your plane
your skill as an individual pulls way more than the device you control your plane with
i play on my samsung smart fridge, i have 1million hours, i would win smh
New title "I 1v1'd A Fridge"
@@TheSystematicPsycho LMAOOO
@@TheSystematicPsycho DO IT
😂
I’m a proud controller advocate, I have around 2500 hours on xbox and do the best in air sim. I currently have a kd ratio in “top tier” (10.7-12.7) of about 3-1. Before PD radars became so prevalent I had a ratio of 220-30 in the mig 21mf. It’s hard, but definitely not impossible to become good at war thunder on controller.
A tip for anyone struggling on controller is to make many control maps. I currently cycle between about 10 control maps that all vary slightly and use/dont functions that a plane may or may not have. For instance my top tier rb setup has no key binds to drop bombs or fire rockets.
Hell yeah man I got 3k hours on Xbox only controller and I maintain a 2.0kd in current top tier I enjoy controller a lot more the PC imo but I am wondering your control maps cause mine have been an accumulation of binds for 7 years lol
@@user-um9rq8nj9n for all top tier control maps B does nothing on its own, but B + any other button does a function. For example B+A opens the tactical map, B+RB changes the selected weapons, B+LB is flares, etc
same
sadly sims doesn't count as many of the players just play for PVE.
Holy shit you guys yall got me all the watch hours I needed to get monetized!!! Waiting on RUclips update the channel and then the next video will be out. Thanks all
BROTHER YOU DESERVE IT THAT EDIT WENT HARD AS FUCK
i think you just better pilot, he did a lot of mistakes that you took advantege of.
if you play on controler on PC, are you still a master race??
@@user-ix6ri9vl1p i wish it worked like that but no. You must fully transcend the console young padawan.
@@TheSystematicPsycho yes my master🙏
As a top-tier jet player who exclusively plays on console, you can't imagine how many crazy key binds I have on controller. L2+Left Stick: free look. L2 + down + R3: check 6 while shooting flares and I can maneuver using right stick. L3 + R3 + Up, switch radar to air combat mode. Not to mention I had a keyboard just to control radar BVR mode. Good thing is I can keep my hand on the stick the whole time
I switched from controller to keyboard and did way better lol, I had a lot of crazy keybinds too.
Why not just use an Acecomabt style control set up like I do?
You can free up a lot of controls like your Free Look controls by simply changing the meter on your Free Look so you can look straight back. Then have Flares as your free look button + R3. Better ways to bind those controls to free up more for other controls
I’m moving into jets so yeah I caved and bought a mouse and keyboard. Can’t be doing anymore crazy binds lmao
@@RyanG-ij8xq Keyboard is just so much better
This proved another thing... Planes don't really equal skill, just because their the same plane, doesn't mean it'll be an even fight, I think it's the matter of time put into the game, so from the very start from hearing you say and show you have 7k hours while the controller player has only 2k I already knew where it was going
Yeah i really wanted to make clear that i should be better all things considered so that the fact that he still got frags on me is a much bigger deal than if i had the same hours as him.
Spot on
@@TheSystematicPsycho think this also proved that the keyboard and mouse had the advantage. Several of his kills on you was because of your own mistakes. But for example the fact you are able to pull a perfect hammerhead in a Saber most controllers will struggle to pull this off, because the controller fails to respond properly to allow this, as you have to keyring the ailerons to pull this off. Which then takes the keybindings of something else.
13:30 brother what 💀💀💀
Love the video lol keep it up
I like your PFP lol
@@themanhimself6696 lmao why u rob his pfp for
@@BruddaDawg hey I didn't rob it, if you look mine is slanted more towards the camera than his
Still going for watch hours peeps. It means a lot for you guys to stick around till the end!
Im a 4000 Hour controller player. Stayed “faithful” and I can proudly say i am a very competent pilot. I believe it’s very nice for Sim too. Better than keyboard and mouse in certain aspects.
Yeah I ain't touching sim with kbm I'll plug up my flight stick before I start raw doggin sim mode...
KBM with mouse control in AirRB is just more intuitive. The game and controls are far easier to be good with because the game does everything to point the nose at the reticle. Its just easier to make good moves with as a pilot doesn't have to deal with thinking about separate inputs like mixing rudder and ailerons, etc. Controllers have a bonus for being able to go into sim without much set-up change. KBM players are at a huge disadvantage there.
@@TheSystematicPsycho Sim is easy on kbm just remember to change it out of simplified control mode because that just kneecaps your options for flying the plane
@@gregc9344 yeah it just doesn't offer the precision that id require. Id blame the kbm every time I died 🤣
I try to play on controller, but at low tier, I feel like my planes turn much slower, bc I can't control the flaps directly, so I feel a disadvantage at dogfights. Is this a general issue or am I just trippin?
Finally someone eho understands us console players! I reached rank 6 playing on PS4 sometimes I can't aim because the game zooms in too much and I don't find the keybind to zoom in bit by bit, only zoom wich destroys my aim
Brother lol you don’t really need to zoom in
@@RyanG-ij8xq Not for players who play from 2013.
Love the fact you're giving us a look at the other side of things. I can from controller, some of the missle locking and stuff at higher tiers gets hard cause you only have so many buttons but still I use to play a lot of top tier on controller back in like 2017
Yeah the button combos seems to be the most baffling thing for me. Definitely a result of this being a pc title that was ported.
@@TheSystematicPsycho I'm sure you can map it to where you can just press a combo of buttons just by the time I got really top tier and had to worry about all that I ended up with a pc.
@@TheSystematicPsycho This game could easily fix that if they did like any normal game. AC7 also has a lot of tech, but they're divided in primary and secondary weapons, and then a button to switch secondary weapons between regular infrared missiles and any kind of more advanced missiles, guided bombs or whatever. Why don't they just add a menu or simplify the controls? As a newer player who started just 1M ago, it was very difficult to understand all the controls. Why tf are bombs set to a different buttons than AA missiles AG missiles, guided bombs, rockets... They should be all in the secondary weapon button or maybe even like GTA and real life, a button to switch from guns to missile and whatever. I don't think real fighters have 3 different triggers, they just switch between their weaponry. The game has to compromise immersion by adding a menu that deeply improves gameplay, this is a problem in Arma 3 and DCS as well. What's the problem of adding the option to toggle a menu with all the stuff you need? Why have 100 different binds to remember just do basic actions? It's not real life, I can't just do stuff like one does irl. Instead, I have to remember which combination of buttons makes the character fire each individual special weaponry, which ones make it toggle his gun, which one toggles the radar, which one does every little basic action that could easily be added to a much more practical menu. Yeah, leave binding as an option, but add a damn menu for people without 150 buttons
I abandoned controller around 10.0, as when stuff started get advanced with Radar, i needed the k&m so I could easily deal with all those binds
Its not that Bad, i Managed to get a good setup for Radar etc
@@xDerHunterHeli Yeah, it isn't that hard with early radars, but when you reach PD radars it gets a lot harder
@@theporschetiger no, i manage all radars perfectly with my controls
@@xDerHunterHelino you don’t. You don’t manage them “perfectly” this is pure copium
I've played controller for years, the biggest thing that helped me are the following:
1. rebinding the pitch and yaw: I use L2 and L1 for pitch. Yaw is square and circle. Roll is the default right stick movement with throttle default there as well. This is essential to get all the movement you need from your aircraft and help you with maneuvers such as a hammerhead. It also allows you to move your aircraft while you are in free cam
2. Using the touch pad in the middle of the PS4/5 controller is a must. You can swipe your finger to quickly move the circle movement circle and get the full effect of your pitch. Using the left stick is usually slower unless you have very high sensitivity which I don't like to put too high since it makes aiming your guns very difficult. You can also use the touch pad to quickly scan around when holding the "free-cam" key-bind
3. Speaking of free cam, there is a key bind somewhere that allows you to lock your view in free cam, and keeps the direction you are looking, regardless of the direction of your aircraft. I find this extremely useful since its hard to hold a button to free cam while trying to dogfight and maneuver with someone behind you. Using this in combination with #1 allows you to look behind you while maneuvering. For me, I can hold x and rotate my view, it stays where i leave it, and then if I hit x again it goes back to front view.
4. You can use a ton of combinations with your d pad and buttons to rebind other things you may need. For instance, I have right d pad and circle as a bind that cycles my guns so that I only have to bind R2 as shoot and i can cycle between guns, cannons, and all together. You can also use multiple d pad buttons together (such as right and down together) and also add right buttons to those as well, although, 2 d pad buttons together are harder to hit. You can use these combinations to build out your bindings for not as essential things. I would caution to keep most of your movement keys unbound to combinations since I have ran into issues where I am dog fighting and using some sort of combination bind and can no longer use #1 bind to maneuver my aircraft.
5. There is an extremely annoying issue on console where there are some general controls that effect planes AND tanks AND naval craft. For instance, I had to change my zoom key bind from the default of square to R1 in order to have the #1 binds and have yaw. This also effected tanks where I have to use R1 to zoom my tank view as well. VERY annoying. If you are wanting to change your key binds, I would start with #1 bind, then make sure to bind your general controls to something that makes sense to all vehicles you use. You may have to fix a thing or 2 on tanks or naval to be good to go.
6. when rebinding, SAVE YOUR CURRENT CONTROLS and the when finished SAVE YOUR NEW ONES. Nothing is worse than logging in after an update and all your controls are set to default.
Hope this helps someone. o7
Sure does
I'm suffering so bad
I'm a give these a try
@@onetimechannel8879did they help out at all? I'm sick of dogfighting without being able to move my plane while in free look
@@onetimechannel8879 How did it work out for you?
7000 hours is outragous
Tell me about it...
292 continuous days@@TheSystematicPsycho
@@myvidsrandom9955 thats wild loli usually dont make it past 3 days...
I have nearly 8000 hours on War thunder and I have only ever used a playstation controller.
I got close to 14-15k on console over like 6 different accounts been playing since tanks came to the game
I have 4200 hours on PS4, 500 hours on Ps5 and 800 hours on Pc. I can tell you with confidence that pc is so much more superior, it’s insane. Highest kill game I got in air RB on Ps out of those almost 5k hours was 6, and in a couple weeks on pc I had a game with 8 kills. It is so hard to look around you on ps, because without the right binds(and even then) you can’t really manoeuvre, you just gotta fly in a straight line whilst looking around. And when defensive flying, you just gotta do some crazy shit and pray it works because you can’t see behind you.
Those are my biggest issues, I can fuck with my flaps while looking around but it doesn't do much.
the ability to dodge while looking backwards isnt stated enough. i can fly defensively perfectly well using nothing but keyboard while holding the C key and looking behind me. being able to maneuver using all control surfaces is a very much needed as you come across better and better players
Rethink your binds and get a mental image of your 6, and sometimes just look behind you
Get your pilots awareness up and use your map. If you hear their engine and or guns/bullets they are facing you. If you only hear an engine faintly they are above/below/flying away from you. War Thunder also has Doppler effect you can use to your advantage. Also get quick on target switching and your pilot will rubberneck to anyone with just a couple dpad presses while still controlling the craft
Need better bindings. Had multiple games of 6+ kills. The only thing I wished I had better controls for would be to change my controls to full realistic smoother. That’s about it
One thing i will say about controller is that it is harder to aim with controller - head on like rolling out and then back in at the last second with mouse is a lot easier
100%
Gotta give you credit for putting beethovens 7th symphony in. Defenitly gives these dogfights the dramatic touch.
Great vid, good flying on both sides would’ve loved to have been the one in the fight
Interesting video!
I never assumed a console player to have an inherent disadvantage in 1v1 dogfights unless they are very new and struggling with the controls, but rather to be prone to getting surprised/losing situational awareness or even panicking when a PC player they didn't see coming suddenly attacks them with an energy advantage.
Also i believe having more keys also allows PC players to have more keybinds, which can be useful in rare situations where, for example, turning off your engine to boom and zoom someone who doesn't see you when you have a good energy and altitude advantage.
Obviously experience will largely offset any disadvantage, but i'd be interested in the ergonomic and psychological aspects s of playing with a controller. Like how easy it is to check a specific area while doing something else than flying in a straight line, and if console players do situational awareness checks more of less frequent, or if (in low ranks) a player automatically goes into an "i'm gonna lose this"-mentality when jumped by a PC player
DEMON MY BELOVED
Awesome fights on both ends!
That 7th symphony F16 dog fight was immaculate
I friggen know and because I was apparently someone else's live performance I couldn't monetize this as my first video. Whatever tho it still went hard! 🤣
Back when I was on console I had full real controls set on my right stick and mouse aim on my left stick. Used L2 to activate free look for left stick. Seemed to work pretty well for me
What did you use for throttle?
@@RIY2610 I think I had it set to my arrow keys and made it so every press of the button was 10% throttle
intresting
personally I bound left trigger to turn on full real control when you were holding it down, and just had normal sim controls for that.
It's just the fact the pc is what the game is geared towards and consoles a secondary/commercial thought. that is enough to make the consoles less competitive, ive been playing for years only on console and have ALWAYS felt that planes were turning faster, keeping more momentum etc etc than when I fly them, in fact having timed some in turns, often found they would be a lot slower than the specs list said they should be.
Good content though. 👏👍👌🤘✌🖖🤙🍻
Hell ya that P-51 the rank 3 now rank 3 one is CRAZY the thing is way better then a person would think.
I remapped my controller so that my left stick controls pitch and roll, right stick does what left stick normally does to move the mouse circle around, and flares, using this you can now pull off pc maneuvers, takes a bit to get used to since finding the sweet spot on a stick for a certain maneuver may be weird
I've played WT in PS4 for a long time before moving to PC and duude. The advantage in PC is so noticeable, you can aim, control the plane and even your surroundings way better
I have some over 1,100 hours on WarThunder and have only played on controller and can confidently say its so difficult to get good but it feels so good when you do
Good content. Makes me want to play the game
go in at your own risk
You will play for at least a year and a half if you want jets without using premium currency
Been waiting for this vid I love this guys content
loved the f16 dogfights, beautiful.
For the love of god this guy needs a YT channel i would pay to watch a video of his controller button binds!
www.youtube.com/@IAMBUNZ go spam him and tell him to make more shit!!!
@@TheSystematicPsycho Could you hype him up to do it? Would really like ti see!
Bro that intro was clean asf
PC has a little advantage in Dogfights because of the Arrow keys but awesome Video
You can rebind the controller to get the same effect
I have a friend who plays with controller and i gave him my set up a few years ago before i switched to PC. The dude absolutely shreds on it and i promise you you'd never know unless he uses more complicated air craft, like in Ground RB with multiple types of bombs and things like that, but in Air RB you would never ever know. And also you could play with a steering wheel with enough practice and if thats what you're comfortable with. It just depends on what you're comfortable with and have practiced on. That's it. Not sure why anyone could think anything else. 🎉👌
I really think skill was more of a deciding factor here. It was clear to me from pretty early in the video that BFM theory was not a strong suit for controller man. That was an issue for both sides but more so for controller. For props you went vertical every time in a high energy state. He was about the same speed as you in most cases as far as I can tell yet he did not follow the vertical. This violates the "manoeuvre in relation to your bandit" rule for one and also gives you a clear advantage at the merge every time because you cash your energy for altitude, effectively gaining turn rate without actually losing energy. He didn't seem to spot his mistake either so he kept going into the fight at a massive disadvantage.
This theme of lack of understanding of energy states and bandit related manoeuvring seemed to carry into jet fighters. Even in the F4S, he seemed to do better relative movement but was still not quite there. I spotted a few critical mistakes throughout as well, such as 18:02. He should have continued pulling down and continued the 2 circle fight. Not only was he not fast enough to reverse his turn efficiently, he did it late and shouldn't have done it at that speed at all even with correct orientation and timing. If he had continued pulling down he would have gained initiative in the fight, forcing you to react to his moves as well as gaining significant rate from the extra energy picked up on the way down. Even if you reversed into the one circle, you were going significantly slower and would be late to the turn, so he would have had an easy time jinking and from there would have a massive energy advantage he could maintain in the vertical and likely win the fight with.
Over all I think this was an unfair test due to the gap in skill. There is good information to be pulled from the video and it does show that just because you are on controller, it does not mean you are destined to fail against PC. But other than that I would say this test is pretty much inconclusive.
After 8 years of grinding on PlayStation I finally have SuperSonic Jets top tier tanks,all Naval Brs Complete,I have played over 25.000 battles, I jump on every so often in between my World of tanks Grind on which I have approx 240 tanks 30.000 battles, I have never felt disadvantaged being on PlayStation if anything I consistently use the controller to my advantage, It would be nice to see a bigger Console Community around here it’s like non existent, I gotta admit War thunder Graphics on PS5 have definitely reached a completely new standard Old mate thought I was watching a documentary 😂
One thigs there is that k&b has move buttons compared to controller so theres kind of advantages on both
How you setup your controlls , my only struggle i miss target. I have setup free look key ,but then plane goes straight and im easy traget
Are you on console?
Here's a suggetion: Keyboard+Mouse vs Controller in ground battles. See wich is better on ground battles.
We had a talk about this one but I would say except from making quick accurate shots which kbm would be better at it would really come down to personal skill and tactics not so much the input device. 1v1 tank battles just comes down to who hits the first shot.
how does the controller fix the lack of keys, on keyboard i still got issue that theres more controlls then i can bind.
Tips for controller flyers and this is how I had it setup while I played on console. I had my roll and my throttle on left stick. L2 would activate my mouse look thing whatever its called. Then I set it so L2 also activated the ability to use pitch on my left stick. That way you can view your target while still using your pitch and roll to maneuver.
Started my WT career on xbox and reached top tier with it and i had all my mec and radar stuff mapped out. Eventually ran out of key combs lol
I made a few compromises but i dont have to use most of the things anyways
i’m at 1338 hours of war thunder and on console. The only thing that sucks on console is figuring out how to map all the necessary buttons with a limited range of buttons. We need to use activator buttons to switch some stuff. I’m still trying to figure out a best way for air combat where flaps are useable to turn with and you can still use pointer aim control aswel.
A good tip for controller players to have a quicker, turn “react” time. Go to controls > Common> Scroll down to sensitivity.
Sensitivity in zoom to: 30-48%* depends on how good you are at controlling
look sensitivity: 70-99% ( depends on control skil)
"controller isnt... terrible(???)" and "is controller competitive?!?!" are wild to be in the tile vs first sentence
I moved to PC after getting one, and I remember that my only issues on controller were flap control and defensive flying because of the problem with free look. So besides that added ability to evade people on my six, nothing changed in my abilities.
im new to the game can you give me advice on what ammo to use because i seem to not do any damage but i either get 1 tapped and my wing flies off or i get shot out the plane im in t3-t4 area
2 things I will critique, the bad merge turn readings on the controller is what made the controller lose so many times, and the playing of an aircraft in a manner it doesn't want to fight in. maneuver in relation to your opponent and fight with your plane, don't make the plane fight you
1 more thing is that you NEED to read your opponents response turns or you will give them too much room
I feel like you should do the same battle in simulator mode as it removes the advantage of mouse aim and actually showcases the pilots skill and adds a better challenge for both sides
Does anyone know what the music is at 19:20? Sounds really familiar.
I think I heard 7th symphony
For me I just mainly start running out of buttons and ALOT of very important controls for top tier weren’t even bound to any button. I had to spend a good couple hours across tanks, aircraft and helicopters. But luckily wat thunder has the best binding menu that I’ve been able to mess with (because console game usually don’t let you) and I’ve been able to use my L1 as a sort of Function key to roughly double my mappable buttons. I’ve mainly only played ground so far and only need 3 tanks and 1 helicopter to finish those tech trees for Sweden, then I’ll be making the grind focusing on air to get that grippen.
Can someone tell me what the diffrence betwen flaps in combat or raised like i mean what advantage do you have of u put it in combat
I need this kind of Warthunder friend.
I’m a 3100 hour controller player, I don’t even have 12.0 yet, I just don’t really need it, all I did was just got good at the a-10. I dogfight fight friends that have mirage 2k and 4k and f16 and still win
Bro how to turn upside down with the mouse aim, my camera start spinning crazy on ps5
im a controler player but im not like some people who geniueanly think one is better thsn the other (in their faivour) and i think this was an awsome video made me subscribe
The thing about controller is our controls so very limited, so we fx are mostly unable to use free camera unless you make a sick controller layout. Which can cause us to be extremely blind for openings, and well idk if he has this but if he didn't I'd have to say he did pretty damn well
nice video bro
Got about 6k hours combined with PS4 and PS5 version of War Thunder. Standard controller only. Biggest issue is the default controls aren’t good enough and most controller players lack a good controller setup. Then people use Mouse Aim as their main maneuver control and you need to bind your Max and Minimum Pitch controls then remap your free look to L1 or L2 (the opposite of what you use for your guns)
What about your setup?
On controller ( I play on the PS5 ) there are settings in Controls to where you can keybind your flaps to engage them manually. I use L2+right to lower and L2+left to raise mine
the agile eagle pack cancels out because of the gun pod, whereas on the f4s the gun is internal
My consistent terror of the skies proves that you can ball out on controller
Did your buddy the 18Gaming person have the aim assist thing they have for console working or should i say on? Plus the console can plug in a keyboard and mouse into the console so they could have the same exact thing as a PC but a tiny advantage with that aim assist console has, No?
Its not aim assist in a literal sence its just being able to lock on to a target and it will track them if you hold the button, which you pc player also get for air, you just need to bind it
I have 5700+ hours on Xbox, It took a while but once you get it down it’s not super hard at all, especially when it comes to Sim controller is a lot easier, but overall I would say a good controller player is just as competitive, I mean we’re basically playing fighting games with the strange ass button combos we have to pull off to bind some stuff, for me I usually keep my most important binds as a simple as possible like pitch, msl, guns, zoom etc are all usually one button when in comparison to stuff like wing sweep and etc, as well as double binding certain stuff, weapon selection is relaky good for us controller players since we can bind bombs, rockets and A2A munitions on one key bind, but when it comes down to it the main thing when it comes to controller is about the knowledge of the game.
Hey man I was wondering if you could do a kbm settings vid of all your settings, I’ve recently moved to kbm and I stuffed up all my settings. And coming from a pro it would mean a lot if you made a vid on them🤗
Lol this game I have a little under 7k hours have been playing since late 2018 and had in my f5e a 293 to 39 kd but thim i got a talisman and brain dead bombed so it gone now. And i have done it all on controller but i have been playing on a filght stick some the f15 is crazy in sim but. I recommend binding x or a to full pitch up so u can turn tight and un bing activate target point in settings so u can free look win holding x or a to full pull.
In short yes because ive fought plenty of competent controller players. however, my preference is keyboard and mouse for air simulator so im not one to judge. It is mostly piloting skill which determines competitive advantage in any given situation so always treat all opponents as though they are the red baron himself. The only major flaw I saw with it is the lack of overall situational awareness so in a furball situation with high target saturation within the vicinity it is harder to keep up without the mouse look for newer players but there are some novel button reassignments for controller at least but not enough to war thunder. I say simulator battles is probably where controller might have an edge because you dont need to turn the head as much. Even when I was playing this game on PS4 for a number of years, I used mouse and keyboard. I have probably over 10,000 hours but don't know exactly how many, i estimate 5000 in match hours according to the war thunder player search of my various accounts by adding the time for realistic battles all up and started August 25th, 2013.
I would really like to see his controller binds, for arb grb and heli’s… could you make this happen?
I used to play Xbox, got really far in Air for USA (2 years) and Sweden (1 month) but could never break the “Glass floor” into tier 4, played Sweden on a fresh steam account, within 1 week I’m already at tier 3 and researching tier 4 for Sweden Air. It’s pure preference.
Best thing about console is i hook up a mouse and keyboard. Just so i can eliminate the compound key input. Im sure rb+Y does something while all i have to press is 1 key out of 66+ keys
As a player playing on pc and ps5 its way harder to keep an eye on ur. Surroundings on ps5 and its harder to free look follow ur enemy. While turning in. What results in not always knowing where to follow or dodge enemy bullits and to keep out of his guns while dogfighting.
whens the “i 1v1’d a smart fridge”
in the first round you raised your nose first before the planes went past each other
as an ex controller player with 3000 hours on the dot on xbox, i can say for sure, controller is not bad, and can be quite good, and its actually a really easy way to get into sim with
I imagine controller does better on energy fighters and one circle fighters; planes that suffer when you over pull with them.
The biggest advantage of controller is the analog input: if full turn would rip wings, pc players have to be very careful woth feathering the inputs, while the console player just pulls slightly less. Similarly, by pulling slightly less you can keep yourself at optimal speed better, which can win two circles.
If you have an in depth knowledge of your plane and skill with flying in sim type controls, i think controller players have an advantage mouse and keyboard cant match.
Problem being that its much harder to have good gunnery without mouse aim, which means you can do your dogfights great and still lose because you missed the shots your skilled maneuvering gave you.
Of course console never stood a chance in the argument, because if mouse and keyboard lost, the pc player just plugs in a controller, because they get both.
I am a controller player with over 2000 hours and the one thing I struggle with the most is maneuverability in dogfights and just being able to look around myself while maneuvering because my controls are just kinda stupid but I don’t want to have to go through the work to create and learn new controls so I’m just kinda stuck like this
I migrated from PS4 to PC 3ish years ago. got to say I love MnK a lot more than controller but I do miss the console assists they had like the lock a target and you could basically follow them as long as they were selected. I think playing MnK over controller is better because mapping a controller for war thunder is hard as hell.
There is a way to do that on pc with the lock target thing. As someone who uses freelook I think it better than the lock target imo.
I was a former controller player for my first 1k hours (now on my 6th), around when the maus and panther 2 was in the tree still (never got it since I was trash) and it was a hardship of being limited on jets and I was relieved when switching to pc.
P.S. GAIJIN GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER AND LET ME LINK MY ACCOUNT SO I CAN USE THE MARKETPLACE
As a long time controller player, keyboard and mouse is the best thing that ever happened to me.
I would recommend doing further dogfight testing on the 1x1 eastern Europe map. As its much more flat.
I did terrain as a variable because I didn't want us to get stuck in rate fights and we both have the terrain to use/dodge showing an advantage to kbm with situational awareness.
At some point we have to realize it’s not the controller or mouse it’s the pilot that matters
I still can't do take off flaps, but still can do landing flaps, I just pulled the gear flaps and then gear again
Tried going back to controller from k&m but couldn't even get a match
So I just moved from console to pc. And I can tell you I was wiping the floor with people already with console. Now when I did move to pc it kinda felt like I was writing with my left hand. But now I can say I’m confident with my kb&m. I’ve had my pc since about after Black Friday.
Bf3 was my first modern PC game. Went from a near 2.0 kd on console to a 1.3 on PC at first. It takes a little time but ultimately it's superior. PC players tend to be better too.
5:00 block 10 becoming roughly 50x better after eating 6 defa shells in the center of its fuselage
as a dcs player i got kinda confused in the later dogfights since you guys began using the f16 in a 1 circle setting thats why the plane is calling AOA since its not made for that but in the last round it was a 2 circle rate fight in the vertical one thing the 16 is perfect at and the performance difference was insane tho... but yeah its weird seeing dogfights in thrid person XD
Yeah I feel like all performance advantages of a plane is out the window when you are fighting the same thing lol it's more like what kind of tricky shit is going to throw your opponent.
Just don’t forget that you guys are actually able to turn a little harder than us controller players
I have maybe 400-600 hours on Xbox and after my 3rd month of playing I just realized that I should be using the controller wayyy more aggressively because after I did that I just started to get 3-5 kill games every time. Although you could say that I’m handicapped by the Italian air tree, i have actually played the us tree and British tree and it was more or less the same experience
You can adjust flaps on controller you hold down the flap button then use your joysticks to adjust it
I bought a Razer turret (it's an Xbox one branded accessory but runs perfectly on PS5) and enables play from a couch as it has an included slide out magnetic mouse pad and is heavily weighted to be stable on a lap.
I still suck but definitely suck dramatically less than when I'm controller.
Wow I didn't even know that existed!
The big advantage pc has is the fact you can easily bind the control to pull more than with the mouse aiming since with WASD you can pull harder
You can make those binds on controller as well
as a console controller player i envy mnk players ability to properly visually track the enemy while maneuvering as needed
I use controller and a keyboard for all the extra freakin binds in higher tiers 😂
It’s all about the key binds on the controller. Understand what “YOU” need and don’t. Everyone’s is different.
im half way to 2800 hours on pc, and i still feel so bad at air, i have times where i dominate and then times where i go weeks or months of doing horrible.
I play on controller and have it set up so when i hold LB + RB i have full flaps. Between that and the tracking feature you can be a bit of a demon at times. PC clears still
What's interesting about using keyboard and mouse is mouse aiming doesn't turn as fast as keyboard aiming so you can maintain your speed better when you want plus the rutter is automatic with mouse aiming. I could see how if someone got really good at using a controller they could be very good but most people turn hard with the controller just like using the keyboard and it can make you bleed off too much speed. I tend to not worry about controller players when evenly matched but there are some good players that have the discipline to wipe the floor with most.
I'm a 2000 hour controller player but only probably got 700 or around that in actual air battles. I'm definitely not the best but can hold my own. Def a lot more complicated on controller bc of bindings but a good player should be able to do fine on either.
"it's a bit of a dorito"
Shows the most non dorito looking thing ever.
I think about this with the F-22 as well. People call it a dorito but it is the most non dorito looking thing ever.
Delta wing = Doritos = high aoa high drag flight model.
12000 hour controller player here would love to test my metal
I made Cybercompetitor on ps5 with con. I am also ranked on rank 99 at this moment in air rb... Con is cool