On the first financial estimate slide there is a error - $680k should be $6.8mill - sorry slide error but same conclusion - Also - tried new audio system on this recording - volume is low on three video short video clips that play - tested on several systems - you need to boost you volume when playing these clips - looking for a fix - thanx for watching MXUX
I dont mean to be off topic but does anybody know of a tool to log back into an instagram account..? I somehow forgot my password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
Not a mechanic but this is just a normal 4 lug bolt tire mount - tire mounted on steel rim - attached with four lug bolts - no different from any other car actually as far as how the tire is mounted - removed / installed in 5 minutes with lug wrench / air tool / standard tool - as far a jacking instructions for the vehicle - I am certain there will be hard points for jacking / putting on a lift like a normal car - tire rotation should be a simple as any car - with the additional step of removing the aero skirts on the wheels - as for Discount Tire - I personally would do it my self - thanx for the comment and the view
I just did a video about the first company - they will have to raise more money for sure - a SPAC? - they are set to start up but to scale up - last company in 2008 - they were seeking a 125mil govt loan - which they did not get - also factors beyond cotrol caused ventures firms to turn away - IMO once they get a car off the end of the assembly line - and in a customer's hand - everything will change - lordstown motors is at this point right now albeit with finanacing in place via spac
The production comparison to the Viper and it relatively low production levels misses the point that the Viper has (I'd guess) 8 or 10 time more parts to assemble than the Aperta, and considering many Viper pieces, being larger and heavier, would require at least 2 workers each to position those parts - the same number of workers could easily produce 4 to 5 times the Apteras in the same time. Hell - Viper's Big V10 power alone probably weighs more and has many more parts than the entire Aptera.
@@mxux Aperts construction won't require "infrastructure" like lines of robots - It's briefly explained on Munro Live starting about 5 minutes in : ruclips.net/video/4DhzkUnIh58/видео.html
I think they will - and I feel that there is demand for ultra-efficient ev's in general - a watt-waster like the hummer / lucid / f10 kinda defeats the whole idea of an ev -no?
I'm a resv holder but legit concerned about curbing this thing all the time. Per their website: Aptera is 172" long, 88” wide and 57” high. Aptera has 25 cubic feet of luggage capacity.
They're expecting a slow roll out next year, ramping to 10,000 units, then up to 40,000 units per year by 2025. I think your estimate are too low. They'll be also be getting an additional $50 million in investor funds, going public probably with a 5 billion valuation shortly after, and getting government assistance.
u kno hammer I did those estimates with the very first funding they had - way back - they just had the we funder - private 1k investments and some money from their money guy - this was at the beginning of Aptera.2 - so ya out of date now I agree - from following these ev companies; 1. don't count on the government loan 2. A soon as you feel you have enough funding - you need another 500 million - 3. It takes 2x what you estimate to get things done - I do think Aptera has a good chance of success - I think even more so internationally - and they have the battery co behind them - the lithium mine - and the deep pocket partner - design and execution is the key - thanx for the comment hammer
@@mxux For a slow roll out, having already closed the investor round and gotten the $50 million, that will definitely be enough for a slow roll out, given their manufacturing method. They just want to deliver 1 car by December. Their head engine has said like 10 cars next January, up to maybe 100 in February, and scale up from there. The additional capital from the limited production can keep them afloat before their IPO which is when things will really take off.
Sandy Munroe worked under Demming who was the inventor of modern statistically controlled manufacturing - it shows in everything he does - Munroe did the Viper line - Demming was a god...
@@mxux Demming's face is on Japanese currency. I had the honour and privilege of meeting Demming when the factory I once worked for had him come over for an analysis. I got to read it. It was spot on! And I'm sure he was paid heftily for it. Instead, the top brass buried his analysis, sold the business two years later and one year after that they announced the plant was closing! Shows to go that nobody is a prophet in their own land. The guy was a genius, but politics got in the way here and the higher ups were only concerned about their golden parachutes. Demming had much more honour than the people who commissioned him for his work. He was very elderly when I met him and walked with a slight hunch, but he found no problem with walking around the plant and asked me very intelligent questions which also dealt with the culture of the plant, not just the technical stuff. For him culture was just as important as logistics and production and work flow and everything else. Upon his departure I only wish he had been the person in charge. As a senior technician I felt that perhaps I had learned more from Demming than those who had hired him to analyze our plant. So, that's how I learned about Demming. Up front and personal. The first time he walked into my testing lab, I didn't even know who he was. I sincerely thought that he was there to check the calibration stickers on my test equipment to make sure they were not expired. Which was probably a very good thing for him because we spoke very freely and I was not awe struck. lol Hardly anybody there knew who he was and he did not wish to walk in with an entourage surrounding him as it would have defeated his purpose. He was a genius!
Used your discount link went to their site and it was still $100. Also many customers will be from overseas. They do not offer any shipping costs information guideline which is most unprofessional. When trying to use their contact form it failed on every option. Site looks good, but functionality their car must be a lot better! The FAQ and details dont even say if system UI is Android Auto or what it works on. Not too keen on my phone being my key, what happens if it gets lost or damaged? Many unresolved questions.
At the moment the Aptera Website is under going maintenance - will forward your message to them as soon as possible - sorry - thank you for getting in touch and bringing this to my attention - intend to pin their response to the top of this comment section -mxux
This venture should not be allowed to fail. Too important for reducing carbon emissions. As long as they don’t market is to rich people and go for mass markets. They’ll need some varied designs but the idea of minimum weight and air resistance, along with the best battery technology and motors of course.
I am in a shame spiral - ongoing work on improving sound here - I apologize - I rush to get information out and quality is an issue - you will see an improvement on new videos - thanx PV
They have mentioned the use of 3d printers and UV light curing - which go hand in hand but didn't indicate use - last used vacuum based molding - good question
haha "The creepy music" XD And I agree with your analysis. Thank you for piecing it all together for other potential investors and buyers. I'm also on the list. But given that my reservation number is 16105 and at the production rate that you mentioned, will I even see my Aptera before 2023? I know to discount the first 1 on my reservation number, so that likely makes me: number 6,105 on the list. So, if 1,500 unites in their first 12 months of production and say that their production begins in June, that would mean that by next June there would still be 4,605 vehicles ahead of me. Even if Aptera were to double its production capacity after the 1st year I would not see an Aptera on my driveway until 2023. Sorry, getting antsy over here. Is there light at the end of the tunnel for a more prompt delivery than what my forecast is?
As of today there are over 7500 preorders. They expect to be producing at a run rate of 10,000 units per year by the end of 2022, so I think your wait won't be quite as long as you fear. Mine is #42, and I will be showing it off as much as possible when I pick it up.
@@fanfare100 I hope I have mine by that time! I may make a side trip to AZ on the way back and visit some other Aptera Ambassadors, too. We will see how it goes but I am excited!
they are moving to ultra violet curing of the resin that holds the body togather -vs chemical curing used previously - along with 3d printing of part could speed up production a lot - the UV curing could work in minutes vs a day for chemical catlyist
FYI, I asked them about the number of molds they intend to use for the initial production run in their video call and the number they came back with in their published FAQ is 20 mold sets. Which I believe can translate to 20 cars being worked on in parallel or you could say 20 cars per day production rate. Which is even higher than what you have in your last slides.
ya that is a rough evaluation - basically I said they can do one per mold per day - insert number of molds - i believe that number was referring to the entire finished vehicle - not just the body - btw theyare using a new curing method - likely? that should speed things up considerable
Unknown - appears to be going for full vertical integration OEM - but - ha - early prototype has tesla charge port installed -did a video on it ruclips.net/video/8d_LL5vWtBE/видео.html
Wow, the audio for this video was REALLY bad. Appreciate the effort to put it together, but the main speaking was hard, and the shared clips were unwatchable.
So one of the things they made clear in that interview is the Aptera is very few pieces/moduals to assemble. Assembly plants do not have to be purpose built and could be put into virtually any small manufacturing/warehouse type facility, allowing for localized production. If they start an assembly plant on the west coast and demand becomes high on the east coast not hard or expensive at all to find a small place to start a new line near demand.
I agree but supply chain has to follow - regional factories worldwide could work? quailty control - mass production cost lowering effect may suffer however
@@mxux maybe but I believe what was stated is they are working with Sandy Monroe to set up stable supply chain. Large pieces/moduals would then be distributed to assembly plants. So prior to assembly a lot of cars can ship in few containers thereby reducing shipping cost. Much cheaper than shipping assembled cars. I forgot assembly plant footprint. I believe less than ten thousand square feet but not sure on that. Anyway some rediculously small cheap footprint.
The one they didn't secure? I think both founders were out of the company by that time in any case. Chris Anthony took a lithium battery company public and knows how to raise funds.
At the pace preorders are coming in, which are far exceeding Tesla's original run rate when they were a new company, this is no longer much of a worry. The challenge is going to be to get the cars produced. The very first car - the Benz Patent Motor Car, was a three wheeler, so there is also a noble part of the past of these in automotive history.
I see it more as a reincarnation of the pontiac fiero - a commuter car with a plastic body and two seats with a unique motor (mid engine) - that sold 30k units a year on average even with the problems it faced - in sourthern ca being able to use the carpool lane alone in the Aptera is huge - if we ever actually go back to work - the fiero looked weird to - but was a real preformer on the race track - 3 motor Aptera will be the same I predict
@@mxux I wouldn't be too surprised with the right to repair that an entire aftermarket will grow up around Aptera, from bud vases to hacked motor controllers and replacement wheel motors for racing.
This is my concern as well. As a pre order customer they seem a bit off focus; in fact i really don't care to see them waste an hour on more hype or interviews; I want to see 100% focus on producing the existing design. I don't care about it being perfect; nothing is perfect. Make the damn vehicles and satisfy the existing customers. When I see that sort of focus on production; I'll at least believe they are totally committed to making something rather than promoting something. I want them to succeed and nothing breeds success like getting it done and making the customer happy. When I hear them talking about making reviewers of car magazines happy rather than customers they already have; it doesn't seem they know how to produce; they know how to promote. They've done more than enough promotion; they need production or they will never gain the credibility they need to get more customers. Focus on Production. If they do that ; success will be inevitable.
I think that they are just getting ready to focus on production now - with the rona receding - the web stuff -promotion - is modern marketing - how it is done - mandatory these days I think - better than a advertising budget - look at tesla
All electric cars are out of my financial league...but if they were not ..then the aptera is the car I would want more than any other....don't ask me why ..it just appeals to me.
I hear you - Biden may institute a 7k credit - or APTERA could offer an affordable lease - perhaps a good idea APTERA ! - I like the functional design and the emphasis on efficacy which is what I thought the electric vehicle movement was all about
Like m xux already noticed, check your napkin :-) I'm from Europe and would love to own one. however , considering the simplicity of the vehicle the price should be in the region of 15 till 20K max. The Car-like equivalents are storming the market the coming years and I fear the Aptera at the current price, will not be a competative offer...
John - perhaps with mass production costs will go down - or the introduction of the 25k tesla will force the market to lower the price - the solar charging seems to be unique and the main selling point - not currently elsewhere in the market IMO
@@mxux In the country I live E-cars are heavily subsidized ( approx. 11.000 dollars) I don't know if this will apply on a three wheeler car as well. This year the Dacia Spring will enter the market at a estimated price of around 10.000US after subsidies. Another problem for Aptera might consist of the fact that carmakers are forced to reduce the air polution for their whole program by a decent percentage ( I don't have the figure in my head right now) And this will result in extra discounts on their EV's ( currently Hyundai offers € 1500,= US 1650 on their UV's, and others will follow) And the new Hyundai offers solar charging as well and has a 230V outlet socket... No I have no connection with Hyundai but I will be in the market for a EV ( the roof is packed with solar panels) within 2 years....
The largest portion of the cost is batteries, and prices will likely continue to fall. The next largest cost is probably the Elaphe wheel motors, and these may come down as well with volume manufacturing.
Give me a model with heat & air @15k and ability to upgrade battery for longer range at later date and I'm willing to take the risk of driving with lower safety rating than a model 3.
The only way to make this project work is by realizing that it never is going to be a very very big business. If keeping expectations low, grearing production to a kind of custom production, holding the price as low as possible - a perhaps slightly larger than mom's-and-pop's business might make it nicely. Make it a specialty business. People want a cheap go-shopping, or go-to-work vehicle that's better than a motorbike, but not a money hungry car. The way it is now, it seems like a scam where investors never get a finished product.
Well I think they will produce a product - the industry and materials have caught up to the idea - the self charging is a game changer in the right climate - charging is a problem for people who don't own a home - and many households too - I think there is a niche for it - especially as it does not compete directly with TESLA - providing they lower/keep cost down which is possible with mass production - like the new VW Bug in the USA - in regions of CHINA/Asia that will support self charging - seems to me to be a large market as well - the not a motorbike you describe would be the Archimoto IMO - Aptera I would consider a car - would take it on the freeeway in the rain...thanx for the comment g
Steve thanx for the comment - well there are a lot of big vehicles out there - but the safety built into the design of the Aptera is impressive - and that was version 1 - the new Aptera is even better I am sure - it is capable of handling any road and was initially meant to be a commuter car exclusively - with the work from home movement who knows if that segment is still viable? I think the results of crash testing will prove the vehicle to be safe - the capsule design is similar to a F1 car - I would feel comfortable on the highway in it as it stands now - you know you have to drive something enormous to be above the crowd on a California interstate - I don't think most people do that - most are in smaller vehicles IMO - thanx for the comment - and Aptera is a perfect urban vehicle imo.
You do make an excellent point that cars and trucks are a danger to other forms of transportation. That's putting the onus on them rather than on lighter forms of transportation. You are reframing the argument from "Apteras and other small vehicles shouldn't be on the highway because larger vehicles are a danger to them" to "Large cars and trucks shouldn't be on the road because they are inherently dangerous to smaller vehicles." As far as the role of the Apteria I actually see it reversed. With 88" wheel span in the front I think that the Aptera is going to have a tight squeeze in some city streets. In particular, I'm thinking of Portland where the streets are almost too narrow for my Honda Insight in certain neighborhoods. Which is one of the reason Portland dwellers rely so heavily on bikes for transportation. On the highway because of its aerodynamic design the Aptera will go (flow) long distances easily and efficiently. That's how I plan on using mine. Around town I'll ebike as I do already. For distances I'll drive my Aptera.
Aptera should use Arrival micro manufacturing by contracting Arrival to supply body of Aptera. Arrival specialty is to produce composite automobile body by automation.
yes alec - please do - I am trying to make these videos more concise and shorter and I do pause too much and ahhhhh too much- I have actually started playing everything on youtube at faster speeds now - trying to make meaningful content ukno - can bather on - thanx for the comment Alec
Yes they will run out because they aren't making any vehicles or delivering them. If you count the original Aptera, then the new announced electric then the alpha and the beta - they are on their 4th redesign. Do they know how to design something that works? They seem to need to take some business lessons because you can't make money if you don't sell anything.
Well Jim the usual path is prototype - alpha - beta - pre production vehicle - certification - start of production and then ramp up production. As I understand it Aptera has ventured on a complete new design - basically reusing only the aerodynamics. I think - not sure here - they are in beta - and the changed the beta body to make it wider and deeper - more headroom - they seem to be making all the right moves IMO - and Sandy Munro is consulting on the design - at last view they were testing the stability of the beta which was very good. Since this is a clean sheet design I think they deserve the benefit of our confidence at this point. The cooling system they have pioneered is breathtaking - and all the subsystems and components developed here can be used on the planned four passenger vehicle. They seem to be following the general new model development time frame of about three to five years - I think Sandy Munro will design manufacturability into the Aptera and once in production numbers will skyrocket. Munro is also a investor/stakeholder and he really knows cars and developed the first GM EV back in the day. Better invest some time now than face short sellers or NHTSA in the future. I have confidence in the management team - IMO we have to trust their judgement at this point - it is a new vehicle concept that I feel will meet the charging challenges keeping many customers out of the EV market worldwide. I value your opinion - thanx for the comment JV
@@mxux Maybe if you are Tesla and have a 1/2 trillion capitalization this company never had funds for that never will now that they've blown their budget. They needed to make vehicles; get some cash flow - they don't have money to try and perfect things if their initial design wasn't worth a damn they shouldn't have brought it out. I predict the company is out of business within a year.
On the first financial estimate slide there is a error - $680k should be $6.8mill - sorry slide error but same conclusion - Also - tried new audio system on this recording - volume is low on three video short video clips that play - tested on several systems - you need to boost you volume when playing these clips - looking for a fix - thanx for watching MXUX
thanks for the the review. As you probably know, by now Aptera has taken in over 7000 preorders, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down much.
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"Like they did" NO! "as they did." Protect the beautiful English language!
Noted - corrected - thanx - I often produce late at night and errors occur - often
can someone demo a tire rotation for this car? how is it lifted? If I took this to discount tire, would they screw up this car?
Not a mechanic but this is just a normal 4 lug bolt tire mount - tire mounted on steel rim - attached with four lug bolts - no different from any other car actually as far as how the tire is mounted - removed / installed in 5 minutes with lug wrench / air tool / standard tool - as far a jacking instructions for the vehicle - I am certain there will be hard points for jacking / putting on a lift like a normal car - tire rotation should be a simple as any car - with the additional step of removing the aero skirts on the wheels - as for Discount Tire - I personally would do it my self - thanx for the comment and the view
i wish theyd go public so i and everyone else could buy their stock
Second that. All those in Favor?
I just did a video about the first company - they will have to raise more money for sure - a SPAC? - they are set to start up but to scale up - last company in 2008 - they were seeking a 125mil govt loan - which they did not get - also factors beyond cotrol caused ventures firms to turn away - IMO once they get a car off the end of the assembly line - and in a customer's hand - everything will change - lordstown motors is at this point right now albeit with finanacing in place via spac
The production comparison to the Viper and it relatively low production levels misses the point that the Viper has (I'd guess) 8 or 10 time more parts to assemble than the Aperta, and considering many Viper pieces, being larger and heavier, would require at least 2 workers each to position those parts - the same number of workers could easily produce 4 to 5 times the Apteras in the same time. Hell - Viper's Big V10 power alone probably weighs more and has many more parts than the entire Aptera.
It all seems quite do'able - but they have to deliver the units - they can work that out but no infrastructure in place for that
@@mxux Aperts construction won't require "infrastructure" like lines of robots - It's briefly explained on Munro Live starting about 5 minutes in : ruclips.net/video/4DhzkUnIh58/видео.html
@@mxux they have signed the leases on the factory spaces with options to expand.
Yes, I believe they will do it!
I think they will - and I feel that there is demand for ultra-efficient ev's in general - a watt-waster like the hummer / lucid / f10 kinda defeats the whole idea of an ev -no?
@@mxux Agreed, and I just noticed another Solar EV has hit the market: ruclips.net/video/T9aqtoZNHgU/видео.html&ab_channel=ApteraReboot
Anyone notice that the width is 88"! That's wider than most trucks.
APTERA sez wide as a TESLA Model S, long as a Prius
I'm a resv holder but legit concerned about curbing this thing all the time. Per their website: Aptera is 172" long, 88” wide and 57” high. Aptera has 25 cubic feet of luggage capacity.
@@mxux It's a lot wider than that. Model S is 77". A Ford F150 is 80". This thing is going to be a bit difficult to park. :)
@@mxux Kevin has it right. A real learning curve for some of us that live on 6 foot driveways and 7 foot parking spots.
@@TKevinBlanc those widths are without mirrors though. The S is 86.2" wide with mirrors, while the f150 is 106" wide with mirrors.
They're expecting a slow roll out next year, ramping to 10,000 units, then up to 40,000 units per year by 2025. I think your estimate are too low. They'll be also be getting an additional $50 million in investor funds, going public probably with a 5 billion valuation shortly after, and getting government assistance.
u kno hammer I did those estimates with the very first funding they had - way back - they just had the we funder - private 1k investments and some money from their money guy - this was at the beginning of Aptera.2 - so ya out of date now I agree - from following these ev companies; 1. don't count on the government loan 2. A soon as you feel you have enough funding - you need another 500 million - 3. It takes 2x what you estimate to get things done - I do think Aptera has a good chance of success - I think even more so internationally - and they have the battery co behind them - the lithium mine - and the deep pocket partner - design and execution is the key - thanx for the comment hammer
@@mxux For a slow roll out, having already closed the investor round and gotten the $50 million, that will definitely be enough for a slow roll out, given their manufacturing method. They just want to deliver 1 car by December. Their head engine has said like 10 cars next January, up to maybe 100 in February, and scale up from there. The additional capital from the limited production can keep them afloat before their IPO which is when things will really take off.
25k preorders? You got something to back that up with? They hit 11k last month.
An important logic of the Viper assembly plant and system is how easy and cheaply the plant can be replicated anywhere.
Sandy Munroe worked under Demming who was the inventor of modern statistically controlled manufacturing - it shows in everything he does - Munroe did the Viper line - Demming was a god...
@@mxux Demming's face is on Japanese currency. I had the honour and privilege of meeting Demming when the factory I once worked for had him come over for an analysis. I got to read it. It was spot on! And I'm sure he was paid heftily for it.
Instead, the top brass buried his analysis, sold the business two years later and one year after that they announced the plant was closing!
Shows to go that nobody is a prophet in their own land. The guy was a genius, but politics got in the way here and the higher ups were only concerned about their golden parachutes. Demming had much more honour than the people who commissioned him for his work. He was very elderly when I met him and walked with a slight hunch, but he found no problem with walking around the plant and asked me very intelligent questions which also dealt with the culture of the plant, not just the technical stuff. For him culture was just as important as logistics and production and work flow and everything else.
Upon his departure I only wish he had been the person in charge. As a senior technician I felt that perhaps I had learned more from Demming than those who had hired him to analyze our plant. So, that's how I learned about Demming. Up front and personal. The first time he walked into my testing lab, I didn't even know who he was. I sincerely thought that he was there to check the calibration stickers on my test equipment to make sure they were not expired. Which was probably a very good thing for him because we spoke very freely and I was not awe struck. lol Hardly anybody there knew who he was and he did not wish to walk in with an entourage surrounding him as it would have defeated his purpose. He was a genius!
Used your discount link went to their site and it was still $100. Also many customers will be from overseas. They do not offer any shipping costs information guideline which is most unprofessional. When trying to use their contact form it failed on every option. Site looks good, but functionality their car must be a lot better! The FAQ and details dont even say if system UI is Android Auto or what it works on. Not too keen on my phone being my key, what happens if it gets lost or damaged? Many unresolved questions.
My apologies AG - I will look into this immediately
At the moment the Aptera Website is under going maintenance - will forward your message to them as soon as possible - sorry - thank you for getting in touch and bringing this to my attention - intend to pin their response to the top of this comment section -mxux
This venture should not be allowed to fail. Too important for reducing carbon emissions. As long as they don’t market is to rich people and go for mass markets. They’ll need some varied designs but the idea of minimum weight and air resistance, along with the best battery technology and motors of course.
ultra light and strong vehicles with efficient batteries and solar charging yes - IMO global demand
Sound quality on your video is terrible. don't you plug your PC and mic into a sound mixer to record???
I am in a shame spiral - ongoing work on improving sound here - I apologize - I rush to get information out and quality is an issue - you will see an improvement on new videos - thanx PV
Could 3D printers be used to produce the body?
They have mentioned the use of 3d printers and UV light curing - which go hand in hand but didn't indicate use - last used vacuum based molding - good question
The body is formed with resin vacuum infusion. 3 D printing is used to produce some of the tooling.
haha "The creepy music" XD And I agree with your analysis. Thank you for piecing it all together for other potential investors and buyers. I'm also on the list. But given that my reservation number is 16105 and at the production rate that you mentioned, will I even see my Aptera before 2023? I know to discount the first 1 on my reservation number, so that likely makes me: number 6,105 on the list. So, if 1,500 unites in their first 12 months of production and say that their production begins in June, that would mean that by next June there would still be 4,605 vehicles ahead of me. Even if Aptera were to double its production capacity after the 1st year I would not see an Aptera on my driveway until 2023. Sorry, getting antsy over here. Is there light at the end of the tunnel for a more prompt delivery than what my forecast is?
As of today there are over 7500 preorders. They expect to be producing at a run rate of 10,000 units per year by the end of 2022, so I think your wait won't be quite as long as you fear. Mine is #42, and I will be showing it off as much as possible when I pick it up.
@@n.brucenelson5920 ok, that's it, I'll be dropping by as soon as I get my covid shot. ;=D
@@fanfare100 I hope I have mine by that time! I may make a side trip to AZ on the way back and visit some other Aptera Ambassadors, too. We will see how it goes but I am excited!
@@n.brucenelson5920 I'm excited for ya.
they are moving to ultra violet curing of the resin that holds the body togather -vs chemical curing used previously - along with 3d printing of part could speed up production a lot - the UV curing could work in minutes vs a day for chemical catlyist
Still wonder where the license plates go?
Actually technically a motorcycle so no full size plates...? good question
FYI, I asked them about the number of molds they intend to use for the initial production run in their video call and the number they came back with in their published FAQ is 20 mold sets. Which I believe can translate to 20 cars being worked on in parallel or you could say 20 cars per day production rate. Which is even higher than what you have in your last slides.
ya that is a rough evaluation - basically I said they can do one per mold per day - insert number of molds - i believe that number was referring to the entire finished vehicle - not just the body - btw theyare using a new curing method - likely? that should speed things up considerable
Will Aptera become tesla 25k car?
Unknown - appears to be going for full vertical integration OEM - but - ha - early prototype has tesla charge port installed -did a video on it ruclips.net/video/8d_LL5vWtBE/видео.html
Your audio volume is too low! I have had to run through an external amp to listen.
noted!
Wow, the audio for this video was REALLY bad. Appreciate the effort to put it together, but the main speaking was hard, and the shared clips were unwatchable.
Ended up with new mic - fixed it - fingers crossed - my bad
It's been a year and there are a bit of updates, you can tell Sandy is involved because of the simpler front suspension
Agree - rear suspension as well? Video coming on this...
So one of the things they made clear in that interview is the Aptera is very few pieces/moduals to assemble. Assembly plants do not have to be purpose built and could be put into virtually any small manufacturing/warehouse type facility, allowing for localized production. If they start an assembly plant on the west coast and demand becomes high on the east coast not hard or expensive at all to find a small place to start a new line near demand.
I agree but supply chain has to follow - regional factories worldwide could work? quailty control - mass production cost lowering effect may suffer however
@@mxux maybe but I believe what was stated is they are working with Sandy Monroe to set up stable supply chain. Large pieces/moduals would then be distributed to assembly plants. So prior to assembly a lot of cars can ship in few containers thereby reducing shipping cost. Much cheaper than shipping assembled cars. I forgot assembly plant footprint. I believe less than ten thousand square feet but not sure on that. Anyway some rediculously small cheap footprint.
I think the Lordstown factory will soon be available again. 😀
How would battery change be done?
good question - don't know would assume requires removal of interior - seats and so forth to gain access
Yes audio is low are you going to put some kind of bumpers on it front and rear 😎👍🇺🇸
ya trying to improve audio especially - bumpers have to wait for now
Number of cars sold is not the most important factor. Profit margin on each vehicle sold will determine if they will be profitable.
APTERA feels min 30% per unit per their documentation
Their capital costs are much, much lower than what Tesla requires.
Yes a extra solar hook up light camping gear and optional snow tires for seasonal use and every day traveling.
ukno dave they could even include an external solar panel you could store in the back for camping - mount on the tent?
As for funding, don't forget the DOE loan they secured last time
they are asking for a funding program based on efficiency as well vs te watt wasters
The one they didn't secure? I think both founders were out of the company by that time in any case. Chris Anthony took a lithium battery company public and knows how to raise funds.
Audio too low and not clear
noted!
Aloha, THANKS for your video! Would you be interested in 're-running' your calcs with the latest pre-order and funding info available? Mahalo :)
Been watching the progress carefully and plan more videos soon keep watching the channel thank you for the comment
I don't know if the public is ready for such a funky looking car. Three wheeled vehicles have a sketchy past in automotive history.
At the pace preorders are coming in, which are far exceeding Tesla's original run rate when they were a new company, this is no longer much of a worry. The challenge is going to be to get the cars produced.
The very first car - the Benz Patent Motor Car, was a three wheeler, so there is also a noble part of the past of these in automotive history.
I see it more as a reincarnation of the pontiac fiero - a commuter car with a plastic body and two seats with a unique motor (mid engine) - that sold 30k units a year on average even with the problems it faced - in sourthern ca being able to use the carpool lane alone in the Aptera is huge - if we ever actually go back to work - the fiero looked weird to - but was a real preformer on the race track - 3 motor Aptera will be the same I predict
@@mxux I wouldn't be too surprised with the right to repair that an entire aftermarket will grow up around Aptera, from bud vases to hacked motor controllers and replacement wheel motors for racing.
This is my concern as well. As a pre order customer they seem a bit off focus; in fact i really don't care to see them waste an hour on more hype or interviews; I want to see 100% focus on producing the existing design. I don't care about it being perfect; nothing is perfect. Make the damn vehicles and satisfy the existing customers. When I see that sort of focus on production; I'll at least believe they are totally committed to making something rather than promoting something. I want them to succeed and nothing breeds success like getting it done and making the customer happy. When I hear them talking about making reviewers of car magazines happy rather than customers they already have; it doesn't seem they know how to produce; they know how to promote. They've done more than enough promotion; they need production or they will never gain the credibility they need to get more customers. Focus on Production. If they do that ; success will be inevitable.
I think that they are just getting ready to focus on production now - with the rona receding - the web stuff -promotion - is modern marketing - how it is done - mandatory these days I think - better than a advertising budget - look at tesla
All electric cars are out of my financial league...but if they were not ..then the aptera is the car I would want more than any other....don't ask me why ..it just appeals to me.
I hear you - Biden may institute a 7k credit - or APTERA could offer an affordable lease - perhaps a good idea APTERA ! - I like the functional design and the emphasis on efficacy which is what I thought the electric vehicle movement was all about
Like m xux already noticed, check your napkin :-) I'm from Europe and would love to own one. however , considering the simplicity of the vehicle the price should be in the region of 15 till 20K max. The Car-like equivalents are storming the market the coming years and I fear the Aptera at the current price, will not be a competative offer...
John - perhaps with mass production costs will go down - or the introduction of the 25k tesla will force the market to lower the price - the solar charging seems to be unique and the main selling point - not currently elsewhere in the market IMO
@@mxux In the country I live E-cars are heavily subsidized ( approx. 11.000 dollars) I don't know if this will apply on a three wheeler car as well. This year the Dacia Spring will enter the market at a estimated price of around 10.000US after subsidies. Another problem for Aptera might consist of the fact that carmakers are forced to reduce the air polution for their whole program by a decent percentage ( I don't have the figure in my head right now) And this will result in extra discounts on their EV's ( currently Hyundai offers € 1500,= US 1650 on their UV's, and others will follow) And the new Hyundai offers solar charging as well and has a 230V outlet socket...
No I have no connection with Hyundai but I will be in the market for a EV ( the roof is packed with solar panels) within 2 years....
The largest portion of the cost is batteries, and prices will likely continue to fall. The next largest cost is probably the Elaphe wheel motors, and these may come down as well with volume manufacturing.
Thanks a lot 👍
thanx phil
Give me a model with heat & air @15k and ability to upgrade battery for longer range at later date and I'm willing to take the risk of driving with lower safety rating than a model 3.
How many miles of range do you expect at that price?
no 15k yet but safety rating may surprise you
The only way to make this project work is by realizing that it never is going to be a very very big business. If keeping expectations low, grearing production to a kind of custom production, holding the price as low as possible - a perhaps slightly larger than mom's-and-pop's business might make it nicely. Make it a specialty business. People want a cheap go-shopping, or go-to-work vehicle that's better than a motorbike, but not a money hungry car.
The way it is now, it seems like a scam where investors never get a finished product.
Well I think they will produce a product - the industry and materials have caught up to the idea - the self charging is a game changer in the right climate - charging is a problem for people who don't own a home - and many households too - I think there is a niche for it - especially as it does not compete directly with TESLA - providing they lower/keep cost down which is possible with mass production - like the new VW Bug in the USA - in regions of CHINA/Asia that will support self charging - seems to me to be a large market as well - the not a motorbike you describe would be the Archimoto IMO - Aptera I would consider a car - would take it on the freeeway in the rain...thanx for the comment g
You be preaching to choir brother.
I think there is a place in the worldwide market for this concept - charging is an issue everywhere
Great Concept!! Although this would make a great city car, until cars and trucks get smaller, it's not a highway car.
Steve thanx for the comment - well there are a lot of big vehicles out there - but the safety built into the design of the Aptera is impressive - and that was version 1 - the new Aptera is even better I am sure - it is capable of handling any road and was initially meant to be a commuter car exclusively - with the work from home movement who knows if that segment is still viable? I think the results of crash testing will prove the vehicle to be safe - the capsule design is similar to a F1 car - I would feel comfortable on the highway in it as it stands now - you know you have to drive something enormous to be above the crowd on a California interstate - I don't think most people do that - most are in smaller vehicles IMO - thanx for the comment - and Aptera is a perfect urban vehicle imo.
You do make an excellent point that cars and trucks are a danger to other forms of transportation. That's putting the onus on them rather than on lighter forms of transportation. You are reframing the argument from "Apteras and other small vehicles shouldn't be on the highway because larger vehicles are a danger to them" to "Large cars and trucks shouldn't be on the road because they are inherently dangerous to smaller vehicles."
As far as the role of the Apteria I actually see it reversed. With 88" wheel span in the front I think that the Aptera is going to have a tight squeeze in some city streets. In particular, I'm thinking of Portland where the streets are almost too narrow for my Honda Insight in certain neighborhoods. Which is one of the reason Portland dwellers rely so heavily on bikes for transportation. On the highway because of its aerodynamic design the Aptera will go (flow) long distances easily and efficiently. That's how I plan on using mine. Around town I'll ebike as I do already. For distances I'll drive my Aptera.
Aptera should use Arrival micro manufacturing by contracting Arrival to supply body of Aptera.
Arrival specialty is to produce composite automobile body by automation.
AN - IMO great - then feed those to FOXCONN in Lordstown Ohio and contract manufacture the whole thing - lordstown Motors will engineer the process...
Turn playback speed to 1.5x speed and save yourselves a good amount of time
yes alec - please do - I am trying to make these videos more concise and shorter and I do pause too much and ahhhhh too much- I have actually started playing everything on youtube at faster speeds now - trying to make meaningful content ukno - can bather on - thanx for the comment Alec
Yes they will run out because they aren't making any vehicles or delivering them. If you count the original Aptera, then the new announced electric then the alpha and the beta - they are on their 4th redesign. Do they know how to design something that works? They seem to need to take some business lessons because you can't make money if you don't sell anything.
Well Jim the usual path is prototype - alpha - beta - pre production vehicle - certification - start of production and then ramp up production. As I understand it Aptera has ventured on a complete new design - basically reusing only the aerodynamics. I think - not sure here - they are in beta - and the changed the beta body to make it wider and deeper - more headroom - they seem to be making all the right moves IMO - and Sandy Munro is consulting on the design - at last view they were testing the stability of the beta which was very good. Since this is a clean sheet design I think they deserve the benefit of our confidence at this point. The cooling system they have pioneered is breathtaking - and all the subsystems and components developed here can be used on the planned four passenger vehicle. They seem to be following the general new model development time frame of about three to five years - I think Sandy Munro will design manufacturability into the Aptera and once in production numbers will skyrocket. Munro is also a investor/stakeholder and he really knows cars and developed the first GM EV back in the day. Better invest some time now than face short sellers or NHTSA in the future. I have confidence in the management team - IMO we have to trust their judgement at this point - it is a new vehicle concept that I feel will meet the charging challenges keeping many customers out of the EV market worldwide.
I value your opinion - thanx for the comment JV
@@mxux Maybe if you are Tesla and have a 1/2 trillion capitalization this company never had funds for that never will now that they've blown their budget. They needed to make vehicles; get some cash flow - they don't have money to try and perfect things if their initial design wasn't worth a damn they shouldn't have brought it out. I predict the company is out of business within a year.
what a horrible review.
how so? sound?
@@mxux It was a very useful review.
Maybe the sound wasn't perfect, but I'll take content over sound any day, and this video has good content.