Did G2 Dominate or the Falcons choked?
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Honestly this argument doensn't even make sense because even if all G2 goals were unforced I think their win would still be deserved because it would mean that G2 made less mistakes (or maybe capitalized on them better)
so true
the argument isn't about whether G2 deserved the win or not because they obviously did if they won 4-1. The argument is about whether Falcons played bad and made uncharacteristic mistakes or not.
the argument is did the falcons play bad/worse than expected.
@@myaccount8482dude he started the video by saying if Falcons played bad and G2 didn’t deserve the win
@@bradykrivis6665feer isnt trying to argue that and neither is anyone else
G2 deserved the win 100%
Most rocket league goals are a result of the defending teams error. If you played flawless defense then nobody could score. That tweet was pointless.
Shhhhh
Nobody is arguing about whether they deserved the win
@@thenayancat8802 nah I’m just stirring the pot
@@trooper_484 carry on good sir
@@thenayancat8802 they literally are
I think it's fair to say that it's a mixture of both but you have to give G2 credit because they outplayed falcons at their own game. The thing was that G2 were instant challenging and just outpacing falcons. They were starving them so bad that the falcons couldn't even do the usual place because they had no boost
They were tired, they were playing bad, vise versa in the Swiss when falcons swept g2, falcons were simply tired and had to play an energetic and confident g2
@@nicholastiscareno4323how tf were falcons tired? Lol😂
@@nicholastiscareno4323yea they were so tired in game 1 when they won right? 😒
@nicholastiscareno4323 they had an hour to rest and reset mentally before G2, who played back to back and won. Being tired isn't a valid excuse. Sorry, but G2 just outplayed them.
I think it was down right G2 being the better team. How many times have prime BDS lost in Swiss then destroyed everyone in playoffs?
G2 losing to falcons meant nothing in Swiss. If Swiss meant anything, M80 would be the best team to grace the earth.
Falcons are still a top 3 team.
But G2>M8>Falcons.
I really think people are confused about what g2 and why they're so good. G2 doesn't have a game that they play outside of that they will not let you play yours. They figure out what a team does and they simply won't let you do it. There's two things falcons had going that g2 shut down perfectly. They need a lot of boost and they need killeerz and trk to have time on the ball. G2 controlled not only their back corners which falcons just had to get to maintain pressure and they smothered trk and killeerz. I can tell this was a explicit strategy because if you watch there's multiple instances of rw9 being given a ton of space to make a flick and three defenders would sit and wait but they had sent two on almost every killeerz or trk possession. Falcons relied on speed and their opponents to not have boost on defense which they were able to do. G2 figured that out and shut it down. Satthew has been invaluable for those three really cool to watch how well they're doing
But at the same time falcons played worse then the last series.Part of that is also the fact that rw9 and killierz were in their first final and with very little experience the nerves got to them. Ofcorse g2 played fenomemal but I think the mental played an important factor in this series
@@n0rm1x- I don't think it did the first two games at all man. Again that's g2s game, they find your strength and shut it down, if a team can't play their game then they're going to look bad. That's why teams that are very versatile and able to quickly adapt on the fly like Gen g and BDS give G2 trouble. Falcons are a one dimensional team for the most part. They're arguably the best in that one dimension but that's not what makes a world championship level team.
@@n0rm1x- A closer series is always going to look better than a one sided one.
@@VinceHannity I agree but at pro level the mental is very important.The twins being young and with little experience at lan had a tiny impact of the gameplay.But this is only my opinion.Im not trying to be biased and defend falcons I just said a possible thing that happened to falcons
Nerves arent as obvious at a higher level. Most of the series was G2 outplaying Falcons... it was just like Gamers8 last year. The twins made grand final and after taking the then V1 teams first 3v3 game, they adapted and started cutting off the things that allowed for R1 to get control of the game. You see it in any high level sport online and in person. Good teams will stop the other team from doing what they do best. Yes Falcons looked different that series, but most of that was G2s doing.
Win is a win. The question is rather pointless.
‘G2 didn’t deserve this win cause the other team played worse’ -Coping EU fans
They cant handle not having a eu team in the final😂😂
exactly and if NA lost, they would've said "they need to play better." these double standards are crazy
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I love the comparison with the evaluation bar in chess. Forced errors come from an accumulation of precise play by one side that capitalizes on the small mistakes of their opponent. An unforced error is equivalent to a big blunder that changes the evaluation by a lot all at once.
As always, you have really well reasoned analysis. Thanks Feer!
I think both, G2 played better in the final than in group stage and Falcons weren't at their best in the beginning of the series, I think G2 was keeping Falcons from getting better and peak so they were the best team in the end.
Didn't they win the first game of the series?
All these people think g2 didn’t deserve it just because the result was just super unexpected. G2 got destroyed in Swiss so nobody thought they were beating falcons in the finals so when it happened they just think “falcons choked they played horrible” and give 0 credit for g2 putting on a masterclass
I wish people would just admit they wanted MENA to get their first RLCS LAN win and are disappointed that the NA super team is indeed super; bc that is a fine opinion to have. No one said BDS choked when they lost 3 Bo7 Series to Vitality after beating them the previous day in one of those tournaments, why? Becasue the storyline of Zen winning was more desirable.
I agree that people just want a desirable storyline but just because you beat a team once doesn't mean you're always supposed to beat them lol
@@myaccount8482 where in my comment did i say that? I was comparing the 2 tournament wins that had similar situations but different responses.
@@Zahigggy "No one said BDS choked when they lost 3 Bo7 series to Vitality after beating them the previous day" To me this implied that because BDS beat Vitality once, it would be considered a choke if they lost the next few times when that's not the case. In the series' last season where it mattered most, Vitality had BDS' number. There was no room for an argument that BDS choked, it was just that Vitality were simply on a different level.
@@myaccount8482 that's my point exactly, the situations are the same and the majority are not saying "in the series that mattered the most G2 had Falcons' number"
@@Zahigggy Ah I see, we can agree to agree then 👍
i love when people say that "G2 won because they didn't play against EU". like, they didn't because EU lost to minor regions, teams that we would expect them to be beating.
not trying to take away the wins from Furia and Falcons but EU just didn't perform well enough, and it's funny how people simply can not accept that
We can accept it but dont act like na didnt loose to minor regions either. Falcons beat g2 geng and ssg from NA
Just cause you beat a team that beat another team doesn’t make you guaranteed to beat the initial team, things could’ve went differently very differently
@@user-zo3ou8mv4r exactly g2 still hasnt beaten gm8s or kc
@@regansimpson3196kc didn’t make the major and they have never played so what they supposed to do. And gentlemates they’ve payed one time
@@caidenyocom kc atleast lost to them in 7 and had the best series of the season against falcons yea they didnt make major but they are still a top 8 team worldwide atleast
i thought this was johnnyboi cope before i saw feer uploaded it
Lmao same
Pure hate watcher bro
It's sad how G2's win is even being questioned. "Did they deserve to win" is such a sad outlook on someone winning the major. I don't think Falcons played at their best, but to question whether a team deserved to win it because of who they played and the quality of the opponents during the series is pathetic. Just because NA won, people now want to throw around that question. If you win it, then you deserved to win it. This isn't real sports. There's no controversy of officials or throwing. It's simply about beating the teams in front of you. People complaining about G2 not facing EU teams is so weird also. They beat BDS and Vitality while keeping a close series with Gentle Mates in the finals last major. They beat the teams that beat EU this major. What else are they supposed to do.
Bro im convinced they have to draw strictly EU teams and beat every one of them (which they have except KC M8s). So as soon as G2 beats M8s and KC, they will have beaten every one of the big 5 in EU and all the snobs in EU will put their boogers back in their noses
Eu wins and it's just the superior play style. Na wins and it's the other team slumping. G2 is an insanely talented team that plays well together. It's nothing short of scary seeing them on the field. Tip your damn caps to them, boys.
Johnnyboi analysis of falcons on the day was eerily spot on.
He commented upon falcons post game win before the final games - that they are hanging in the wings and leaving mid open with a lot of space for other teams to work with and that they should pay attention to their defense more.
Falcons will bounce back I reckon, great performance and progress overall.
GGs to G2 on the win, wp!
Rw9 didn't look like himself in that match, he wasnt consistent in defense which is crazy to even imagine, he made too many unusual defensive mistakes and it looked very clear that he was nervous, you could even see from trk's body language on the face cam that he was trying to calm both the twins down to keep composure in one of the previous matches, it was the same issue last major, they just looked so nervous on the field by making so many unusual mistakes, but they are getting better at dealing with the pressure with each event, they just couldn't break through once again
this^
Also G2 did an insane job to shut down falcons which is why they started making unusual mistakes. The were being forced into uncomfortable plays since they were not in control. G2 looked faster and more oppressive on the offense than they ever have before. G2 clearly adapted to the falcons almost to perfection.
I have to say that when M8 beat G2 no one questioned it (not even G2 fans) despite G2 not looking their usual selves in the finals. But now that G2 wins every coping, crying EU fans are making excuses. Worst part is that even the MENA fans aren’t coping as bad lmao
Because M8 were the better team. In this major falcons were clearly the better team before the finals, but G2 were more prepared and played their best series in the tournament against the best team coming to the final. G2 deserved the win for sure and no one should argue about that. The argument should be if the best team going to the final really performed or not.
@@xRaPToRv G2 only lost to Falcons and beat everyone else. Then beat falcons in the finals for their get back. Once G2 beat Falcons the talk should’ve been over. G2 is the clear best and proved that Swiss was just a fluke. BDS have lost in Swiss then won worlds and no one complained about them being the best team before. It’s literally because an NA team won and they’re mad because all the shit they’ve been talking got sent back in their face and their ego can’t take it 😂
G2 was the best team in London and dominated everyone they faced in the Play offs.
@xRaPToRv it's pretty much the same argument though. In copenhagen both G2 and M8s were the best teams and M8s deserved the win but G2 also underperformed in the final. In London G2 and Falcons were the best teams hands down and G2 deserved it but Falcons also didnt play their best. Both finals had teams that didnt play their best but the thing is is that no one questioned the Copenhagen final but everyone is questioning the London final.
@@atreides_dk G2 were bested by M8. G2 didn’t underperform. G2 played well but M8 had G2 downloaded. G2 didn’t pay attention to M8 enough and underestimated them.
That’s why Satthew said that they all watched a lot of M8 tape so that it won’t happen again, and G2 watched tape on Falcons on the loss so by the time they played them in the finals, they were downloaded.
G2s biggest blessing was losing to falcons in Swiss as it allowed them to know what they needed to fix.
The G2 disrespect is unreal. Among the big teams they have the most 'democractic' playstyle where each player contributes fairly equally in both defence and offence, so the delta in performance between the best and worst in every game is very small.
Apart from making them targets of unfair criticism this also has the effect of making them look relatively unimpressive compared to the Yans and Firstkillers of other teams (just see how low johnnyboy's recent LAN ranking video placed Atomic as proof), where in reality each G2 member plays at an extremely high level and enables his teammates to reach heights that they otherwise wouldn't be able to.
G2 just seems so strong after swiss stage. Both majors they played incredibly well as soon as they were in playoffs and especially on championship sunday.
At this level of play its incredibly rate that a goal doesn't come off a forced error. G2 absolutely earned this win and showed why they're the best team in the world.
I think we always knew falcons defense wasn’t their selling point. We probably even expected them to give up a couple unforced goals. Falcons lack of offense is the real surprise to me
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I love how when Falcons 3-0’d G2 in the Swiss blowing them out in every single game no one questioned how many or Falcons’s goals were earned and just all laughed at G2.
I think that this does show that the majority of the goals were G2 just being good. The thing this doesn't show is how well G2 shutdown any offense that Falcons tried to make. Except in the 2nd half of game three they couldn't even get started because G2 was just always on top of the ball and pressuring them. You can actually see the toll that took on them in the later games as they started to flop and whiff pre-jumps as they expected G2 to keep pressuring as they were, and G2 started faking it. Especially in game 4. It's crazy how anyone can think Falcons was just playing bad. Their style was just full countered.
Fact is a team of Falcons' caliber isn't making any real "unforced" errors. G2's playstyle being so fast and all the players being so threatening causes the teams they're playing to make uncharacteristic mistakes but they are forced. Aside from the one backboard touch mentioned, champ 2's aren't putting Falcons in these situations or scoring those opportunities.
nO, fAlCoNs pLaYeD tErriBlE g2 GoT fRee WiN
I think g2 deserved this win. But we can all agree that falcon's offense was so flat compared to the last series vs mates
When BDS got 4-0'd by Vitality in the grand final no one even questioned their performance and everyone talked about Zen and Vitality. But suddenly everyone becomes interested in how the losing team played when its an NA team that won.
It’s a pretty simple answer either way. A good team will keep pressure and cause unforced errors. It’s also the grand finals so nerves come into play and the better team prevails.
great analysis!
Thorough analysis from Feer. 100% respect to this man for his dedication to the game.
G2 is just the best team in Lan this season
yes they deserve it don't discredit them, that's not fair to the players. Along with that G2 had to make it to the finals first to even have a chance to win, we can just say every team they played, played bad against them in that case.
I think this isn’t the right conversation. These unforced vs forced are défense, and I at least think falcons’ défense solid. It’s the fact that they didn’t get their offense going. There were some clear times where they had one of their typical goals set up, but just missed.
NA > Everyone. You can argue all you want about how it happened but those are the facts Jack.
No one said vitality didn’t deserve season 7 when G2 were crushed due to nerves and again in 2021 final against BDS and against Gentlemates but the second they win all the excuses come out. Nerves is part of the final and when u get pressed on zero boost like that and G2 out pace u ur down to make mistakes
G2 was incredible in the grand final, but I do also have to admit that falcons didn't look like themselves. I think the difference was confidence, and tbh g2 did play incredibly so I don't think any credit should be taken away
A question that would never be asked if an EU team won.
Feer: Literally breaks down every goal
G2 haters: Massive copium continues in comments
This is why I ignore most people
Fr though.
I don't often agree with Tbates, but I think his analysis has some merit to it, showing more context than just the goals scored.
I think double elim is much better since it is more exciting as it allows for more games (obvious) and a more close grand final which makes it more fair and much more worth it in the end. For example, a team can have an atrocious run in swiss and still be completely eligible to win.
Definitely an earned win overall, but I don't think it makes sense to rate goals as either unforced or forced. It's too hard to draw a clear dividing line, so a more granular rating would make more sense. I think a lot of those goals could be called 30% unforced.
I don't think the reddit poster is being as disrespectful to only G2 as they believe. To say that G2 had that many unforced goals is disrespectful to both teams. G2 had composure, while Falcons didn't play their best. But that doesn't mean the Falcons worked so hard to make it to grands just to hand their opponents an entire tournament win. What a terrible take - just give the credit where it's due.
Killeerrz was mostly a defensive liability for falcons. Most errors on defence came from him. Obviously his role is offence in that roster, but he’s gotta be more calm on defence. I think if he played solid, falcons would’ve had a chance of winning and he would have probably got mvp
Already after first goal: "oh yeah, sure if someone missed an open net its also a forced miss since he got demoed 10 seconds ago so he didnt have time to get as much boost as hed like to."
In a sense EVERY mistake is somewhere forced if you argue like that 👎
G2 100% earned it
Even if Falcons made way more mistakes that would cause G2’s win. It’s not necessarily a choke.
1. If Falcons didn’t play as well as their other matches because of the high pressure in finals, and the other team stays under control throughout series and wins, It’s not a choke, but being outplayed by a team that is better then you at that part of the game. (Which was probably not the case in this series)
2. If Falcons lost because G2 found a weakness in their play style and falcons made more errors because of that. G2 clearly deserves the win and it wasn’t because Falcons threw.
In the end, I think that the Falcons looked off because G2 had them on lockdown and Falcons tried to change their play style to put goals in the net (additionally, they probably got a little panicky too). If you are playing worse because of how the other team is playing, it’s not a choke. It’s a hell of a game for G2 and well deserved win.
Not typical to have such obvious typos in the title. "Did G2 dominate or The Falcons choke?"*
Fun video idea. I also agree with every analysis of every goal here. The only thing I wanted to add was the goal around 13:00 I personally think RW9 was scared to get bumped in that play. Still absolutely a forced error and G2 earned this goal. But was expecting something said about that possibility of the bump play as a reason for why he drove so far out like that.
G2 clearly won this regional. And earned it too. GGs and excited for worlds in a couple months!
what reddit are they on?
r/RocketLeagueEsports
I would have liked to see you comparing Falcons's semifinal game vs the final since that is kind of where the contention is at, but G2 did deserve this win
9:13 once again i agree with ur decision but he isn’t trying to clear it, he’s trying to let it hit the edge of his car so he can catch it on the wall (the ball would stay close to the wall and go up) but instead he accidentally hits it off the bounce.
Im from eu and i genuinely havent heard a single person saying g2 didnt deserve the win. I think the peak of the entire event was probably falcons and gentlemates in the semis, but falcons couldnt keep the consistency in the finals, thats just how it is. G2 is definetely the most consistent team in the world right now, and i dont think anyone can argue otherwise really. Though i think its pretty clear falcons didnt play to the same level in the finals, as they played in semis. That doesnt take away from G2's accomplishment though. Falcons choked, G2 didnt. It would be absolutely ridiculous for any fan of this esport to say G2 didnt deserve to win the event, because even though they didnt play the peak of the tourney they kept theyre heads cool and played at a still extremely high level the entire event.
Falcons just couldn't outpaced G2 like they did basically everyone else. Each member of G2 can keep up and especially Daniel and Beastmode were straight up out pacing and surprising them. Forcing them into low boost awkward positions and of course that leads to mistakes.
You don't win tournaments by being lucky. Everyone just hurt that G2 is better than they think
For me the first one is a comms mistake between Trk and Rw9. If Trk said "leave it" and Rw9 passed the ball to G2 anyway or Trk didn't say anything then it's a mistake in their comms that could be easily avoided and thus an unforced errror.
That's the only one I don't clearly agree. There's another one that could be argued, but G2 clearly deserved the win. They outplayed Falcons.
Falcons swept G2 in the same major. Falcons should’ve won but the pressure got to them
G2 slapped em. Sometimes games run away and the other great team isn’t able to adjust.
Great series and G2 does this to lots of their opponents, just makes them panic and makes them look not as good as they are.
Good work G2. 🎉
Saying Falcons lost bc of errors is an excuse, rocket league is a game of errors 99% of the goals in RL are caused from error therefore saying G2 got ez goals off of Falcons and errors that they don’t usually and thats how they won is an invalid excuse
7:39 i agree its a forced goal but rw9 should go there and just pretend like no one is on the ball, this makes the only way to go around him being above him, where his teammate is on the backwall. This is why in pro play the guy in net always jumps and the guy backwall just waits.
The third goal game 1 definitely seems like a miscommunicated play from atomic and beastmode both trying to play 1st man at the same time and causing both players to be out of position from confusion. I’d argue it’s not a completely earned goal for falcons, and more of a blunder from G2
Under normal conditions RW9 would have acknowledged that all of g2 were attacking from the left and it would have been safer to just let the ball roll to trk, what do you mean forced error?
There is no question g2 earned it tho. I don't think anyone can argue against that. But this was more of a throw than a domination
He got demoed and was in panick mode my guy, he’s feeling pressure from all of g2.. clown
G2 deserved the win defiantly. the Falcon played in a way like they tried to lose the game. They were not the same as on other games. I think they were betting against themselves. After all it just 30,000$ deference and I think when all people thought they will win, much money they will gain if lose. I see this is in other type of sports I don't know how betting is work in RLCS so it just my suggestion. This is the first time I see a full series of RLCS and I regrated. The Final game was so cold and really feel the other team just gave it up to the end. By the way, why did they change their order I mean TRK went to the side?
whats going on with these guys like, what are you gonna do? lobby to take away their major win or what?
It's all just copium
That's what they think they will do by calling it "undeserved"
5:17 If the teams were reversed, all the G2 haters would say that was an unforced error. But since it was G2 who made the error, it is unquestionably forced.
Rw9 choked
I'm a G2 fan above all, but it is still night and day the contrast between how both teams played against each other in Swiss vs in the finals..
I would say G2 improved their play from the Swiss but falcons also definitely dropped off
Still fully deserved by G2.. Even moreso because falcons would have been more confident going into the final.. No team is magical and can play at 100% constantly. What separates the truly great teams isn't so much peak performance as it is consistency
I feel like its a mixture but i think g2 was just slightly more dominant then falcons playing bad
so even if the falcons did literally just choke, are we not gonna talk about how every other team chokes in the grand final of a LAN?
A team from any other region wins and everyone is fine they say theyre contending for best in the world. G2 wins and everyone disrespects the players. even though they got the finals last major as well. The rocket league community need to chill and say well done G2 good show. Thanks for the vid Feer
Love the idea of the video, but the logic here to determine if falcons choked or not is incredibly flawed. Goals going in or not being a binary 100% "forced" or "unforced" goals removes all nuance in what it means to play nervously or "choking" the series. If one team plays even slightly worse or slightly better it can be the difference between dominating the series and getting destroyed.
After watching falcons play the series against gentlemates and holding that level of play as the standard for what is expected, you can certainly say falcons played at a lower level than they did against gentlemates. HOWEVER, we can ever say how much of that is grand finals nerves vs how much of that is G2 forcing them out of their comfort zone- it could be both to a large extent, but we can never say how much it is of either.
As for the goals themselves, many of the goals you credited G2 for as "earned" could have been prevented with better defense - hardly any of the goals were truly unsavable with better defense, but its hard to say whether or not they could have played the level of defense needed to stop the G2 goals (even breaking down the replay) because who knows how much of their slight mispositioning, decision making, poor touches, etc is due to nerves or just mistakes they will make even when playing at their best- who knows. This is to take nothing away from G2, but characterizing every goal as an "earned" or not is simply flawed.
For ex: Even beastmode's goal at 12:30 which is a great g2 goal was not truly unsavable. If you watch from rw9's pov, he creeps a bit far up in net, only really allowing himself to cover the far right side. Had he played slightly further back post it would have been savable- a difficult save, but not impossible. Not saying he would save it most times, but its not out of the question that he could save it had he been playing at his best. Again, we don't really know.
Falcons didn't play anywhere near as good as in the Gentle Mates match but sure while some of this was true a lot of it was just the pressure that G2 caused them to make mistakes (this is coming from someone who wanted Falcons to win) Edit: I think falcons could have had a closer series but overall G2 on paper is better.
In game 3 at 0 seconds, right before Beastmode went for his air dribble, trk did keep up the ball and I saw it from TBates explaining that there is no real reason to keep the ball up because trk had 0 boost and his teammates were nowhere near the play. I think this was an unforced error which I think happened at the most important time of the series. The play and goal itself was deserved but I don't think that Rw9 and Kiileerrz were ready for the attack and thought trk would just drop the ball for OT. We don't know the comms but this goal should not have happened even though it was a good play. For me it is clearly an unforced error. An error that I think decided the series since it gave the confidence away from Falcons over to G2.
Not saying G2 didn't deserve it but it was defenetly not a strong performance from Falcons mentally for the most part.
G2 played phenomenally, they deserved to win. Falcons just struggled to keep up with G2’s pace, and yet, I keep seeing EU players (not all of them, but some) saying that G2 “got lucky”.
I personally think that na fans don't notice that falcons we're playing bad and off and they would win easily if they we're playing well but honestly ggs to g2 but falcons rotation and there touches are way too off
Fellas if you win does that make you better or worse?
nope it makes you gay
Remember that Dan and Bmo were dominating the same way vs the twins and trk back in gamers8 on their home soil while obviously looking like 2 best players in the tourney but of course EU fans wrote off the results since it wasnt a pure 3v3/RLCS tourney (even though they were claiming EU was going to easily wipe the tourney since "EU are the clear best at 1s, 2s, and 3s") but now the sheer amount of EU copium has been on unseen levels from EU fanboys since G2 won the major and EU flopped out of top 4 outside of M8s, its pretty poor to see from the EU community, they dont seem very secure with themselves at all if all it takes for this meltdown is G2/ NA team finally getting a win after a while they were doubted of even being a top 5 team in the world initially by the same haters lol.
Why are we still not saying Killeerz correctly? It's not Kilears bruh.
19:00 I’m definitely a g2 guy, but I’m having a hard time saying they earned this goal. rw9 trying to play slow with both teammates in front of him and an opponent behind him is the type of mistake I would make every time. I understand not wanting to give away possession, but I feel like at his level he should be more aware of the player behind him.
Not that I don’t think they should’ve won.
I agree with feers takes except for the first goal of G2 it was unforced imo (but it didnt really matter)
I will say they werent at the top of their game and it was a dissapointing GF. Of course as an NA player I was going for G2 but a little part of me wanted Falcons to win and see Mena win a major.
Ok I think first G2 goal is defiantly unforced error from falcons, d2 me could have done better. The second I can admit is good play. Obviously we all agree on the third one. The fourth one is unforced though. It's only a minor mistake but if you watch the entire series falcons do a lot of them. it not an issue with the wavedash, but the hesitation with the quick turn left then right to go back to goal after the 50 when he can see beastmode and knows he's last back. 5th is forced. 6th is very unforced it's as bad as the firstkiller forgot his map moment, same kind of thing. He's going off to get boost when there is literally an attacker right there, additionally Trk's touch is another of those continuous minor mistakes. The thing with these mistakes is that they weren't present is the Gentlemates games. I am happy to agree the 7th is forced, Personally I would have Trk on the backboard go before Rw9 and Rw9 rotate in behind but I can still understand why falcons conceded. The 8th one is both, Another minor mistake from Trk to start with, just a bad first touch, I can see why killerz went ahead for bumps and why Rw9 decided to slow play. Another question on why there are two ahead of the ball so probably lean on the side of unforced. And the last one I can agree is forced, a person ahead of the ball is normal in current meta. What the video doesn't cover is minor mistakes in normal play that lead to the pressure you are describing. Defiantly not the same standard from the Falcons as the Gentlemates series but at least some credit has to be given to G2.
If you actually read this far I am surprised.
Bro u jus compared urself a d2 to a pro, no hate but coming from a also d2 we would have made a mistake in the first 10 seconds of the game
GM8 gave Falcons all the room in the world to do what they do, G2 didn’t…that’s why you had all of these “minor errors”, or unforced errors as you’re saying. However, they aren’t unforced, it’s due to G2 analyzing Falcons playstyle after Swiss and being better prepared for the match up. That’s it. Falcons are a great team and could definitely win Worlds. However. g2 just threw them off their game this time around. Falcons did the same to G2 in Swiss…why is it so hard for both teams to just outplay each other at different times of the tournament?
most of these look like rw9 trolling a bit tbh
The team with more Octanes won. Duuuhhhhh. Fennec is no longer viable or META.
Jesus, what people will do to try to drag down the NA champs. repeat at worlds in our home nation its fucking on
Why is it so hard to acknowledge that G2 played really well AND falcons were extremely nervous?
Even beastmode himself said in an interview this is not the same falcons from scrims/Swiss and the twins were clearly nervous.
Does it take away from G2’s win? Absolutely not, they had more composure when it really mattered and played excellent rocket league.
But the comments here make it seem like G2 is on a different level from falcons and play at a much faster pace where they can’t keep up which is just delusional lol, G2 seemed to struggle to keep up with falcons pace in swiss when the stakes were lower and had less nerves
@14:45 Trk didnt force anything, he jumped far too late and i bet hed agree that was a very poor challenge
i still think G2 earned the win regardless of unforced errors. falcons were def nervous and that's what causes these unforced errors. G2 made less unforced errors which is why they won still an earned win.
Falcons are better they just weren't themselves in the final
G2 did good but up until the finals Falcons beat everyone including G2
I bet if that final was played again Falcons would win
I wouldn’t say that, skill wise there basically neck and neck but g2 stradey to boost starve and demo the second or third man works. We see the same thing with ssg vs g2. The skill level of the top 3 teams are so close it could be anyone’s game.
aww comon "Forced error" hahaha - YMC got banned playing like that!
That was not real falcon gameplay
Most of G2 goals was due to massive mistakes from falcon Nervous players
I'm sure if falcons play without massive nervous play they will destroy G2
G2 earned the major, Falcons had many mistakes, miscomms, and besides they had no boost most of the time. G2 outplayed Falcons in the series and that's all
So we’re now going to discredit a team for being good at shutting down another team and being good at making the other team pay for any of their mistakes?
That takes everything away from prime NRG and BDS then 🤷♂️
They used to camp net and wait for the other team to make a mistake.
When Falcons get a lucky goal it’s an amazing goal… but when G2 has a great play and great pressure but the falcon players didn’t peak in defence it’s an unforced goal.
Keep coping, G2 was the best team at the major. They dominated the play offs and made Falcons look like plats.
Maybe i have a different definition of "unforced error."
For a number of these goals, it seems like the falcons were *misreading* the play. As an example, the goal in Game 3, where Rw9 was the sole 0-boost defender against bmode and atomic. Rw9 creeps out towards the corner boost and doesnt cover atomic's shot/pass to bmode. In my (diamond-level) perspective, Rw9 should have had the field awareness to know that his teammates were not around and that he was the only defender available. No one forced him to forget that. Either there was bad comms or he ignored them, but i dont think thats something that G2 forced out of him specifically.
You could argue that G2's playstyle threw off the gameplay of falcons, and i think that's partially true. But it really felt like some of these goals had falcons players at the wrong place at the wrong time when no one forced them there.
The game 2(?) goal where trk and rw9 were 50'd by Daniel and then bmode sniped it past killeers is another example, I think.
It LOOKS like Killeers had the entire goal covered, or at least, he had the boost to cover the whole goal. He even camera checked to see bmode's position. And yet, he didn't cover the corner of the net.
My explanations are 1) he didn't actually see bmode or misunderstood his position, 2) didn't think bmode was going to shoot, 3) didnt expect such a fast shot, or 4) he was completely aware but just made a genuine mechanical mistake on how to retreat
In each case, the blame is on him. He's a top 10 player in the world - I dont think anything in the play forced him to make one of those mistakes
^^^maybe killeers though bmode was going to shoot it at him or directly over his head. I suppose that would better explain his movement.
I'm no pro, so I don't know how they think. Maybe he did the calculations in his head and concluded bmodes BEST shot was in the top RIGHT corner, and hence he wanted to cover it. But as a viewer, the far side of the net seemed like the obvious target, and it probably would have looked that way from bmodes perspective as well - hence why he shot it left side
Hindsight 2020 is an incredible thing, these guys are having to do all those calculations in a split second. This is the main probably with anyone below SSL, they look at a replay and say “well, that was odd, they should have done blank”, and not realize the pace of play in the moment. That and how much sheer talent on the field there was at that time. Those players can do anything with so little boost it’s crazy. Sure, Falcons were nervous and made minor mistakes, but G2 forced those errors by not giving space to Falcons like GM8 gave space in semis…I mean, you’re second guessing yourself after analyzing it for a while, imagine having to do that immediately. The nuance in pro gameplay is something else.
G2 stepped up and played the most incredible rocket league the world has ever seen. Falcons played their game and it wasn't enough.
I feel like it was both. Falcons were a bit nervous and kept allowing G2 to build up an insane amount of pressure. They didn't necessarily pass the ball straight to them causing them to score, but they rather allowed G2 to get close to them and keep challenging. G2 might have been nervous as well, but their playstyle did not reflect that. Falcons' mistakes and their confidence allowed them to take full control and win the series.
Hearing Feer analysing gameplay is like watching paint dry
Don't think it's fair to call most of these forced, I don't think Falcons would be making most of these mistakes in any other series this major.
G2's goals only:
1. Unforced, comms should be there, or RW9 should be positioned so he can make literally any other touch than "pass to Atomic". Even leaving it is better.
2. Yes, unforced, TRK again passing the ball directly middle to a G2 player is criminal. The rest is whatever, maybe they could've done better, but hard play to defend at that point.
3. Obviously unforced
4. Forced, maaaaaybe Killeerz should position better but great 50 and great shot either way, dunno if positioning is saving this one
5. Forced, great play
6. Come on Feer this is unforced, RW9 leaving the net here is insane. Even if Atomic doesn't turn, he knows nobody else is back and both his teammates are recovering
7. Forced, perfect setup and great finish
8. Unforced, come ON! Killeerz just sails past a free ball, then RW9 decides he can slow play as 3rd with a G2 player behind him? Are Falcons really *that* bad?
9. Irrelevant, at this point they have to chase goals so yeah forced.
Final score: 5 unforced, 4 forced
8 forced goals??? we did not watch the same series. I sound like im bias (because i am) but damn bro every one and their cousin would say that falcons did not play well in the final even G2 fans and thats not discrediting G2s win.
Just a skill issue
Falcons was consistent af considering they have the hardest run in the tournament
but in the end they didn't pulled it off
I'm convinced that this team will cook in the world cup in swiss and playoffs just to choke on the grand finals or semi finals
G2 can't just win without it being a sham haha yall are doing too much