I love the way Martin Sheen and Stockard Channing played Jed and Abbey in this scene because you can definitely tell that Charlie is the son they never had. He is a member of the family. This and the knife scene always get me.
"We don't know what the injury count is yet." Bartlett was trying to tell Abbey that he knew this was going to impact Charlie, he just wasn't sure how bad it was going to be. He loved that man like a son.
I can't imagine being Charlie at this moment. His mother was shot dead, and when he's offered a highly respectable job where he thinks he's finally free of the dangers of his neighborhood and station in life, only to find out that the danger is actively seeking to destroy him the way that his mother way destroyed. And people he cares about and respects were hurt during that attempt. The devastation he felt must have been unparalleled.
You can see the pain in Charlie’s eyes. He was a great actor. He lost his mother. Now he was gonna be killed for the color of his skin. And people he cared for where hurt.
Not the color of HIS skin, but hers with respect to his. West Virginia White Pride would have had no problem with Charlie going out with a random Black unmarried woman.
Poor Charlie. The realization that strangers, who have never met him, despite everything he has ever done to be a good kid, wanted to kill him simply for the color of his skin. It's heart-breaking.
I think it was also that the president was the one who got shot. I think they talk about it on another episode - he felt guilty about his mom getting killed because he asked her to switch shifts, and now the president getting shot
@Jim Knight I think there was another factor that was ignored in comments. He was dating the president's daughter. Their bbad aim upped the charges from attempted murder to attempting to assasinate the president. Automatic life term w/o parole.
And yet another angle in this encounter is that he truly loves the president in all the way people love a president. But he also knows the president and so he loves him as the father figure he lacked. And he just found out his being near the president is what put the president in danger. And then triple whammy: it's just because he's a different race. Nothing is fair, nothing is right, nothing is good in this attack. He feels terrible on too many fronts to even tell what they are - he needs to get away and think. "We don't know what the injury count is yet." can mean so many things when thinking just about Charlie! This is what breaks me heart in this scene. Charlie is extremely smart - and he's been black in Washington DC all his life. He thinks he knows all the ways that young black men can get in trouble or killed. But I don't think this is one he had considered: being attacked because he was close to the President and he is black. He was ready for it if it was because he was dating Zoey. That wasn't it. So now the place he had created for himself by doing an amazing job - he has to rethink that, too, and with it his whole future life.
*You mean 75-million 'tRumpers' makes no impression on anyone?* ( *I personally those numbers are 'utter crap' because I refuse to believe there are actually that many 'Adult Retardates' voting anywhere* ) _______________ *The very idea that 'Charlie' is oblivious to the fact that a 'Black Guy' dating a 'White Female' would cause every 'sh!thead' to react violently'* ( *This scenario is strictly fantasy...it implies 'Charlie' just became 'Black last year' and has no clue about anything* )
Abbey being the absolute wife here !! Knowing he husband’s fear and not giving up on him and going so far as to baiting herself with that “kick me” dialogue!! Shows love and the strength of their marriage ❤️
@@denas1983 It's easier to name the characters that didn't overperform. I think everyone on the show knew this was going to be among the best material they ever got, so they all really leaned into their work.
I'd actually love to see a 15 year later continuation of this series. Start it at the beginning of a President Charlie Young administration. Let some members of the old cast make occasional guest appearances. I think it would be a big hit, especially today.
@@th3highwayman I would assume that a Seaborn Admin would happen within the 15 year gap. Don't forget, at the end of the series Sam was made Deputy Chief, Josh's old position and he went on to Chief of Staff. Or maybe a Seaborn/Young admin. Now, that is something I'd watch.
In the series finale, Charlie is starting law school, so by the time he becomes a lawyer, I could imagine a scenario where he either works in the Santos admin as associate WH counsel (similar to Ainsley)
@@th3highwayman The fact is that Rob Lowe doesn't have the gravitas for the role. Personally, my ideal reunion would be that Charlie went into public office and got elected to the council of DC. The show would start with an outside character tapping Charlie to be VP and the first season would cover their run to the White House.
The show shined when the dialogue was very bright people saying bright things at rapid speed, but it also shined when you saw the very smart people occasionally say dumb stuff. THAT was the next level genius of the thing.
Y'know, it hurts. It's physically painful to me that even now, over a decade since it was filmed, this is still a realistic scenario. There is NO white pride in an act like this. Not really. It's pure hatred.
@@lancer525 Being proud of something about yourself does not mean hating and wanting to murder anyone different. Even something as pointless as skin color. It is indeed what we refer to as "white pride", because of losers like this. However in and off itself it is not what pride is, this is hate, ignorance, and a large dose of idiocy.
Man Dule was good on this show! The way he delivers that "Oh" is just perfect, really conveys that he's just realised the President wasn't the only one who survived an assassination attempt that night. Also worth pointing out that Zoey was stood next to him at the rope line, and I like to think that crossed his mind too
This really made me cry. I may be Caucasion but I have a nephew, a niece, and an aunt who are all black and I love them dearly. The thought of some racist fucking nazi fanatic shooting them just because of the color of their skin enrages me.
i absolutely loved West Wing....and I'm a life-long Conservative. If today's Democratic party was a reflection of the Bartlett Administration they would be unstoppable and even I would from time to time vote for a Democrat. Too bad that is not the case. I agree that a new series with Sam as President would be a great show....and good for our country.
As a nurse, I look at Butterfield's hand and really worry, because of the obvious strikethrough. It's a classic Hollywood trope, but it's poor medical care. Mind you, given the character, he wouldn't say anything if he was bleeding through his dressing, so it makes sense in this scene.
I think he also feels a little guilty...that he was the reason the President got shot...like he almost wishes he had been hit rather than Pres. Bartlett
The last scene where "Abbey" tells Josh that he can kick her around is epic... Josh looks like he knows that even contemplating kicking Dr. Bartlet around is a bad idea! LOL
In an interview the actress who played Zoey didn’t like that they never resolved their relationship. She said she’d like to think they got back together.
I'd actually love to see a 15 year later continuation of this series. Start it at the beginning of a President Charlie Young administration. Let some members of the old cast make occasional guest appearances. I think it would be a big hit, especially today.
@@GameFawx I think it would actually be better to start with a Sam Seaborn admin, with Josh being Chief of Staff and Charlie being either a Senator or the Secretary of State or something, with the build up for him to be President. With obvious scenes with Bartlett again.
@@slazer1987 Not a bad idea, but I'm also taking the passage of time into account. Josh wouldn't be Chief of Staff two admins in a row, no way. Don't forget that's what he was to be at the end with Santos, with Sam being Deputy. It's also been 20+ years since the end of the series, that's two full admins and at least a one term of a third. If they went 21 years, that would line up with how the show first started: Roughly one year into Bartlett's admin. And Charlie, IMO, would be perfect because not only is Dule Hill the right age, but the relationship that he and Jed had, and Zoe, would make for great TV.
Well there WAS that one scene after Zoey broke up with the French guy when the President caught Charlie sneaking out of her room in the middle of the night.
What i would give to see a season full of bartlet’s campaign . I think this is the only episode we see these flashbacks ! Season 6&7 was entirely on santos campaign but by then you knew who josh was and how good he is . But bartlet for America was before josh became josh or for that matter toby, sam and cj became well, the toby, sam and cj we came to know .
It’s the quickest suicide strategy ever thought of. I still get angry when I watch this part. I even feel bad for Charlie because he thinks it was his fault this happened.
It's for attention. You kill Charlie when he's off duty, at his home, it's just a random crime. You kill him next to the president, with flash bulbs and video everywhere, it makes a statement. "No black man is safe, no black man will be allowed." It makes sense to them, because that's all they see.
The only thing that kinda doesn't make sense about the situation is, why would the shooters purposely pick a time and place when Zoe and Charlie are with the president? How did they know that they would be with POTUS, and how would they know ahead of time that the canopy wouldn't be there? If they really were going after Charlie, the easiest thing would be to just kill him when he's going home. Or, if they really wanted to make a statement, try to kill him when he's with Zoe. Yes, she has SS protection, but only a handful of agents and surely much, much easier than trying to shoot someone when POTUS is around.
That information can be relatively easy to obtain with a little research and observation. POTUS had the no canopy policy for a while, presumably he's done presentations like this before. It was at Zoe's college. She's his daughter, and Charlie is his personal assistant. Odds are good that they would be there. It was a politically motivated attack, meaning big news. Hunting down charlie while he's off work doesn't really send a message, at best headlines would be "Black white house staff killed". Keep in mind these White Pride fucks were essentially a debranded KKK organization. With an ambush attack like that it's a matter of waiting for the opportunity to present itself. They could have gone to a couple dozen events, done nothing and tried again at the next one.
I'm not sure, the two clips are not directly connected in the episode. The entire episode (and the one before) have flashbacks to the Bartlet campaign for President. It gives great background on each of the major characters, shows they are human and shows how the Bartlet White House family came together. It's from "In the Shadow of Two Gunmen Part 2", the second episode of the second season. Both it and Part 1 are just sees if you want to fully understand the complexity of the interpersonal relationships between the characters.
The 'Desert Eagle' is bored at 10mm. I don't disagree with the message, but I insist upon accuracy in reporting. 'Spectacularism' detracts from the essential message. "A WELL REGULATED MILITIA"...
Ownership of arms designed for armed conflict should be restricted to individuals certified and commissioned by the Adjutants General of the individual States.
A few episodes later ("The Midterms", I believe) the President and Toby are talking and Bartlett says to a pissed off and broken Toby that it will get better. They aren't going after these racist pricks. I've always wondered if the reason that they aren't going after them (and other like minded groups) is because the President wasn't the target and Charlie was. If the President WAS the target would they still be so laid back about it?
Well, a possibility could be that if the White House tried to pull a Waco Siege against these guys, it might seem as if President Bartlet was using the office of the President to go on a revenge tour on behalf of a staff member. If the target was President Bartlet, then it would seem as the Secret Service and other law enforcement going on autopilot after the assassination attempt of the President.
It was a civil rights philosophy debate about first amendment. They despise white supremacists, but the believe that white supremacists have the right to be white supremacists. The shooters were not ordered by and had no active collaboration with said white supremacist group so in the legal realm, they'd be going after people who are guilty by association and guilty by being hate monsters but never actually committed a crime. There's an argument for incitement which is a recognized exception of the 1st amendment and was somewhat relevant in the Josh lawsuit discussion a few episodes later and they talked then about how it would like politically motivated vengeance.
This was so illogical. There are easier ways to get to Charlie than shot him while he is surrounded by armed guards. Charlie said it himself that he lives in a bad neighborhood surrounded by gangs. The attackers could have gotten to him on his way home or something.
Yeah, that's a fairly sizeable plot hole. I have heard fan explanations which do make some sense, though. The assassins want to make a statement about miscegenation. How better to do it than to take out a target mere feet from the president himself, surrounded by the Secret Service? Would have made a hell of a stir.
It was nice, but sad, little twist to find out the gunmen were targeting Charlie, not the president. Even sadder is that Sorkin put this storyline in because he was been given grief by people who did not like the idea of seeing a black man date a white women on a TV show. That's flat out disheartening.
I was worried when I first started to watch the series. I was in the mindset that it would be a dem/good, rep/bad show. Instead it was a well constructed nuanced show that I have seen multiple time....the only part that drove me batty was the smug-nasal voice of Mary-Louise Parker's character.
I love Dule Hill in this scene. The way he just says "Oh.", says everything.
It’s almost if he is about to say “ well what’s next” as Jed would often say.
I love the way Martin Sheen and Stockard Channing played Jed and Abbey in this scene because you can definitely tell that Charlie is the son they never had. He is a member of the family. This and the knife scene always get me.
Of course he's the son! You think the audience was shipping Zoe & Charlie? Sorkin was the worst offender!
I love the knife scene! 😊
Charlie the younger brother, Josh the older brother :)
It was made by a Boston silversmith named Paul Revere
What a father though who can't summon the courage to tell his "son" the truth... "I wasn't the target, you were. How do you feel?” see not difficult
And President Bartlett was more mad at the shooters... Because Charlie was like a son to him... I always loved their relationship on this show
Charlie was the target because he was having sex with a white girl.
@@breadior1971 Yeah. I think everybody got that.
"We don't know what the injury count is yet."
Bartlett was trying to tell Abbey that he knew this was going to impact Charlie, he just wasn't sure how bad it was going to be. He loved that man like a son.
I can't imagine being Charlie at this moment. His mother was shot dead, and when he's offered a highly respectable job where he thinks he's finally free of the dangers of his neighborhood and station in life, only to find out that the danger is actively seeking to destroy him the way that his mother way destroyed. And people he cares about and respects were hurt during that attempt. The devastation he felt must have been unparalleled.
That's a very empathetic take. Well done.
You can see the pain in Charlie’s eyes. He was a great actor. He lost his mother. Now he was gonna be killed for the color of his skin. And people he cared for where hurt.
Not the color of HIS skin, but hers with respect to his. West Virginia White Pride would have had no problem with Charlie going out with a random Black unmarried woman.
Still brings tears to my eyes after all these years
Poor Charlie. The realization that strangers, who have never met him, despite everything he has ever done to be a good kid, wanted to kill him simply for the color of his skin. It's heart-breaking.
I think it was also that the president was the one who got shot. I think they talk about it on another episode - he felt guilty about his mom getting killed because he asked her to switch shifts, and now the president getting shot
@Jim Knight
I think there was another factor that was ignored in comments. He was dating the president's daughter. Their bbad aim upped the charges from attempted murder to attempting to assasinate the president. Automatic life term w/o parole.
And yet another angle in this encounter is that he truly loves the president in all the way people love a president. But he also knows the president and so he loves him as the father figure he lacked. And he just found out his being near the president is what put the president in danger. And then triple whammy: it's just because he's a different race. Nothing is fair, nothing is right, nothing is good in this attack. He feels terrible on too many fronts to even tell what they are - he needs to get away and think.
"We don't know what the injury count is yet." can mean so many things when thinking just about Charlie! This is what breaks me heart in this scene. Charlie is extremely smart - and he's been black in Washington DC all his life. He thinks he knows all the ways that young black men can get in trouble or killed. But I don't think this is one he had considered: being attacked because he was close to the President and he is black. He was ready for it if it was because he was dating Zoey. That wasn't it. So now the place he had created for himself by doing an amazing job - he has to rethink that, too, and with it his whole future life.
That steal breaks my heart
*You mean 75-million 'tRumpers' makes no impression on anyone?*
( *I personally those numbers are 'utter crap' because I refuse to believe there are actually that many 'Adult Retardates' voting anywhere* )
_______________
*The very idea that 'Charlie' is oblivious to the fact that a 'Black Guy' dating a 'White Female' would cause every 'sh!thead' to react violently'*
( *This scenario is strictly fantasy...it implies 'Charlie' just became 'Black last year' and has no clue about anything* )
Abbey being the absolute wife here !! Knowing he husband’s fear and not giving up on him and going so far as to baiting herself with that “kick me” dialogue!! Shows love and the strength of their marriage ❤️
Abbey is such an under appreciated character
I don't know about that! Next to Allison Janey's character CJ, Abbey is my favorite!!
So is Ron. I always thought he did a dang fine job in that role.
@@denas1983 It's easier to name the characters that didn't overperform. I think everyone on the show knew this was going to be among the best material they ever got, so they all really leaned into their work.
The look on his face is crushing
Dule hardly says anything in this yet he says everything. Masterclass.
I'd actually love to see a 15 year later continuation of this series. Start it at the beginning of a President Charlie Young administration. Let some members of the old cast make occasional guest appearances. I think it would be a big hit, especially today.
I actually imagined one with Rob Lowe, as they tease earlier in the series in which Bartlett says that Sam would become President.
@@th3highwayman I would assume that a Seaborn Admin would happen within the 15 year gap. Don't forget, at the end of the series Sam was made Deputy Chief, Josh's old position and he went on to Chief of Staff. Or maybe a Seaborn/Young admin. Now, that is something I'd watch.
For half the country maybe. Cause we all know everyone was just fine with a black man becoming President...TWICE.
In the series finale, Charlie is starting law school, so by the time he becomes a lawyer, I could imagine a scenario where he either works in the Santos admin as associate WH counsel (similar to Ainsley)
@@th3highwayman The fact is that Rob Lowe doesn't have the gravitas for the role. Personally, my ideal reunion would be that Charlie went into public office and got elected to the council of DC. The show would start with an outside character tapping Charlie to be VP and the first season would cover their run to the White House.
The show shined when the dialogue was very bright people saying bright things at rapid speed, but it also shined when you saw the very smart people occasionally say dumb stuff. THAT was the next level genius of the thing.
My thoughts exactly.
I absolutely love Stockard Channing's mischievous smile.
Such a great set of episodes in the series. Dule Hill is fantastic.
Y'know, it hurts. It's physically painful to me that even now, over a decade since it was filmed, this is still a realistic scenario. There is NO white pride in an act like this. Not really. It's pure hatred.
History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.
By the logic of your own statement, it is exactly white pride. And nothing else.
@@lancer525 Being proud of something about yourself does not mean hating and wanting to murder anyone different. Even something as pointless as skin color.
It is indeed what we refer to as "white pride", because of losers like this. However in and off itself it is not what pride is, this is hate, ignorance, and a large dose of idiocy.
Fear.
YOU WERE PROGRAMMED
The music motif on this around 1 minute, as good as everything in the west wing. Top notch.
When Abbey says, “You wanna kick something?” I saw a flash of Rizzo there for a moment. 😅
So sassy 😊
Man Dule was good on this show! The way he delivers that "Oh" is just perfect, really conveys that he's just realised the President wasn't the only one who survived an assassination attempt that night. Also worth pointing out that Zoey was stood next to him at the rope line, and I like to think that crossed his mind too
In 2022 we’re still going though the same thing
So incredibly heartbreaking. We all love Charlie.
That "go" was very wise.
Great acting. Charlie realizing that hate toward him is the reason that the President got shot is gutting.
This really made me cry. I may be Caucasion but I have a nephew, a niece, and an aunt who are all black and I love them dearly. The thought of some racist fucking nazi fanatic shooting them just because of the color of their skin enrages me.
Welcome to America. :(
i absolutely loved West Wing....and I'm a life-long Conservative. If today's Democratic party was a reflection of the Bartlett Administration they would be unstoppable and even I would from time to time vote for a Democrat. Too bad that is not the case. I agree that a new series with Sam as President would be a great show....and good for our country.
And of course Butterfield is telling this to Charlie while his own arm is a bloody, bandaged mess.
As a nurse, I look at Butterfield's hand and really worry, because of the obvious strikethrough. It's a classic Hollywood trope, but it's poor medical care. Mind you, given the character, he wouldn't say anything if he was bleeding through his dressing, so it makes sense in this scene.
"In the meanwhile, if you need to kick something - kick me..."
Right. Like she'd be easier. That's a "no thank you, ma'am."
This scene wrecked me
The strange part is the president warned him about this. And he was cool with hearing it but dealing with it are two different worlds.
That oh Charlie gives is a soliloquy in one word.
I think he also feels a little guilty...that he was the reason the President got shot...like he almost wishes he had been hit rather than Pres. Bartlett
If I had been Zoey, I would have taken Charlie's hand the second he walked in the room. I would not have let him hear that news standing by himself.
Empathy was never Zoe's strong suit.
The last scene where "Abbey" tells Josh that he can kick her around is epic... Josh looks like he knows that even contemplating kicking Dr. Bartlet around is a bad idea! LOL
When can we get a reboot either Charlie running for Prez!!?? 🤞
Sam. In fact, there's a scene where Bartlet tells Sam he knows he'll run for President someday.
In an interview the actress who played Zoey didn’t like that they never resolved their relationship. She said she’d like to think they got back together.
I'd actually love to see a 15 year later continuation of this series. Start it at the beginning of a President Charlie Young administration. Let some members of the old cast make occasional guest appearances. I think it would be a big hit, especially today.
@@GameFawx I think it would actually be better to start with a Sam Seaborn admin, with Josh being Chief of Staff and Charlie being either a Senator or the Secretary of State or something, with the build up for him to be President. With obvious scenes with Bartlett again.
@@slazer1987 Not a bad idea, but I'm also taking the passage of time into account. Josh wouldn't be Chief of Staff two admins in a row, no way. Don't forget that's what he was to be at the end with Santos, with Sam being Deputy.
It's also been 20+ years since the end of the series, that's two full admins and at least a one term of a third. If they went 21 years, that would line up with how the show first started: Roughly one year into Bartlett's admin. And Charlie, IMO, would be perfect because not only is Dule Hill the right age, but the relationship that he and Jed had, and Zoe, would make for great TV.
Well there WAS that one scene after Zoey broke up with the French guy when the President caught Charlie sneaking out of her room in the middle of the night.
Maybe we will find out soon lol
What i would give to see a season full of bartlet’s campaign . I think this is the only episode we see these flashbacks ! Season 6&7 was entirely on santos campaign but by then you knew who josh was and how good he is . But bartlet for America was before josh became josh or for that matter toby, sam and cj became well, the toby, sam and cj we came to know .
We got a fair bit of the campaign for his second term in season 3.
Oh god, I just want to hug Charlie... :(...
If you want to get Charlie, going after him when he's with the President is a pretty idiotic way to go about it.
It’s the quickest suicide strategy ever thought of. I still get angry when I watch this part. I even feel bad for Charlie because he thinks it was his fault this happened.
It's for attention. You kill Charlie when he's off duty, at his home, it's just a random crime. You kill him next to the president, with flash bulbs and video everywhere, it makes a statement. "No black man is safe, no black man will be allowed." It makes sense to them, because that's all they see.
You think of ways to kill black people?
If I was Charlie at that moment, I would've started throwing up and fainted on the spot.
if that was me in that moment, i would probably go throw up now!
Charlie needs a drink quick.
He'd have to check the limo's. I don't think you can find liquor in the white house or a hospital
Imagine realizing you were an intended target of an organized assassination that had multiple people in hospital...
The only thing that kinda doesn't make sense about the situation is, why would the shooters purposely pick a time and place when Zoe and Charlie are with the president? How did they know that they would be with POTUS, and how would they know ahead of time that the canopy wouldn't be there? If they really were going after Charlie, the easiest thing would be to just kill him when he's going home. Or, if they really wanted to make a statement, try to kill him when he's with Zoe. Yes, she has SS protection, but only a handful of agents and surely much, much easier than trying to shoot someone when POTUS is around.
That information can be relatively easy to obtain with a little research and observation. POTUS had the no canopy policy for a while, presumably he's done presentations like this before. It was at Zoe's college. She's his daughter, and Charlie is his personal assistant. Odds are good that they would be there. It was a politically motivated attack, meaning big news. Hunting down charlie while he's off work doesn't really send a message, at best headlines would be "Black white house staff killed". Keep in mind these White Pride fucks were essentially a debranded KKK organization. With an ambush attack like that it's a matter of waiting for the opportunity to present itself. They could have gone to a couple dozen events, done nothing and tried again at the next one.
..why is the 2nd clip in this one?
I'm not sure, the two clips are not directly connected in the episode. The entire episode (and the one before) have flashbacks to the Bartlet campaign for President. It gives great background on each of the major characters, shows they are human and shows how the Bartlet White House family came together. It's from "In the Shadow of Two Gunmen Part 2", the second episode of the second season. Both it and Part 1 are just sees if you want to fully understand the complexity of the interpersonal relationships between the characters.
That doesnt make sense, if charlie was the target then they choose the worst moment to kill him
Nobody said the shooters were smart guys. LOL!
Except it's the best publicity. Terror only works with an audience.
The 'Desert Eagle' is bored at 10mm. I don't disagree with the message, but I insist upon accuracy in reporting. 'Spectacularism' detracts from the essential message. "A WELL REGULATED MILITIA"...
Ownership of arms designed for armed conflict should be restricted to individuals certified and commissioned by the Adjutants General of the individual States.
What in the bloody hell are you speaking of?
Charlie's in baseball.
you guys ain't finding him.
A few episodes later ("The Midterms", I believe) the President and Toby are talking and Bartlett says to a pissed off and broken Toby that it will get better. They aren't going after these racist pricks. I've always wondered if the reason that they aren't going after them (and other like minded groups) is because the President wasn't the target and Charlie was. If the President WAS the target would they still be so laid back about it?
Well, a possibility could be that if the White House tried to pull a Waco Siege against these guys, it might seem as if President Bartlet was using the office of the President to go on a revenge tour on behalf of a staff member. If the target was President Bartlet, then it would seem as the Secret Service and other law enforcement going on autopilot after the assassination attempt of the President.
It was a civil rights philosophy debate about first amendment. They despise white supremacists, but the believe that white supremacists have the right to be white supremacists. The shooters were not ordered by and had no active collaboration with said white supremacist group so in the legal realm, they'd be going after people who are guilty by association and guilty by being hate monsters but never actually committed a crime.
There's an argument for incitement which is a recognized exception of the 1st amendment and was somewhat relevant in the Josh lawsuit discussion a few episodes later and they talked then about how it would like politically motivated vengeance.
You heard about Pluto?
This was so illogical. There are easier ways to get to Charlie than shot him while he is surrounded by armed guards.
Charlie said it himself that he lives in a bad neighborhood surrounded by gangs. The attackers could have gotten to him on his way home or something.
Yeah, that's a fairly sizeable plot hole.
I have heard fan explanations which do make some sense, though. The assassins want to make a statement about miscegenation. How better to do it than to take out a target mere feet from the president himself, surrounded by the Secret Service? Would have made a hell of a stir.
Criminals get caught because they’re so unable to think well!
So you made one of only like 3 black people on here wasn't killed?
Not if you think it was about these psychos making a statement. :(
How horrible
...the state where I'm originally from.just like everyone in this god forsaken town
It was nice, but sad, little twist to find out the gunmen were targeting Charlie, not the president. Even sadder is that Sorkin put this storyline in because he was been given grief by people who did not like the idea of seeing a black man date a white women on a TV show. That's flat out disheartening.
Jeb?
I was worried when I first started to watch the series. I was in the mindset that it would be a dem/good, rep/bad show. Instead it was a well constructed nuanced show that I have seen multiple time....the only part that drove me batty was the smug-nasal voice of Mary-Louise Parker's character.
Love to take Abbey up on her offer ; Want to kick something , Kick me :)
MMM love that teasing offer
To bad that Democrats don't act like this in real. Life