The Failure of the 9-to-5
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2023
- Work as a structure doesn’t have to be how it was! Less than a hundred years ago, we made it so people had 8-hour work days. Things can be reinvented again, and they likely will be. The 4-day workweek, remote work, and async communication are already changing how we interact with each other.
Keynes thought that we would be working 15-hour weeks by the 21st century, which clearly, has not happened. That video was NOT about not wanting to work anymore. That video was about wanting to work differently, with flexibility and time to pursue other things (that, let’s be real, will probably lead to a new career path).
Basically, that young woman should be able to walk to work and have friends and have time to be a person! Her video was reasonable! Things don’t have to be how they always were. Instead of simply saying “life sucks, get over it” it’s time we say “life sucks, let’s do something about it.”
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I can't stress this enough: the 9-to-5 is vanishing rapidly and is already largely replaced by the 9 to 6, the 8 to 5, or the 8:30 to 6:00. Workers are being squeezed right now and have far less purchasing power than they did thirty years ago. The world is not the same as it was in the 1980s. She has it MUCH harder than the boomers who had cradle-to-grave employment at factories out of high school. Anyone lecturing her who had it easier needs to sit down.
Yep, I work 7:30am-5:00pm, so my employer has made the standard workweek 47.5 hours/week
I disagree about purchasing power except for housing or health/elderly care. Everything else feels its getting cheaper and cheaper.
@@bearlin9236 Have you had salary increases recently? I'm not sure how else you could arrive at this conclusion. The Fed's been raising interest rates as a reaction to the largest inflationary pressure we've seen in decades, prompted largely by companies using rising labor/production costs as an excuse the increase their profit margins to record highs. All evidence suggests prices across the entire economy have surged since 2019, otherwise we'd still be at 1% interest rates.
It was like this in the 80s, this is not new. Nor is it healthy, fair or right.
Not to bring race in this, but %95 black community has been dealing with this since the beginning.
Psalm 35:7-8: "I did nothing wrong, but they tried to trap me. For no reason at all, they dug a pit to catch me. So let them fall into their own traps. Let them stumble into their own nets. Let some unknown danger catch them"
Isn’t an attack but a reality check. Racism has been replaced with classism.
I'm an elder millennial and I feel like this young woman is speaking out loud thoughts that have been floating around in my head for decades. I'm glad that this is seeing some sunlight.
As a Gen Xer I can’t relate. I’ve seen clips of this on my social media feed with this woman being disparaged. However speaking honestly it sounds incredibly obtuse to hear this when a generation before people worked 2 jobs to keep families afloat. I know I’m going to sound like a snarky old man but I’d advise every millennial and Gen Z to watch an old Russel Crowe film called Cinderella man. It takes place in the Great Depression where families were literally torn apart because of lack of jobs.
@@alihusainmd I'm struggling to understand your point of view. Can you elaborate a little? Your comment makes it sound like you are upset that someone is questioning the status quo just because you worked two jobs in the past. I feel like I am missing some context.
@@paulwilk2854 I'm not upset with anyone. You need to spend a lot more hours when you are younger to learn skills to be succesful at whatever you do when you're older. You're hearing this problem from people of all classes and job types. I have 50 year old tradesmen who have severe arthritiis complaining younger people won't listen when they are being given instruction on how to be more productive at their job as well as expecting better pay for shoddier work. These people would like to stop working or slow down however they feel their younger co-workers do not have the work ethic and are unwilling to take instruction. I think one of the underlying problems for the divide is the cost of education has gone up markedly. Older people feel that training (via vocational school or college) was just a way to get your foot in the door, then you have to prove yourself to get up the ladder. I believe younger people don't believe in the ladder
Just remember that the 9 to 5 schedule assumes that you are a 19th century factory worker, whose factory is actually a few blocks down his home and who is also married and his wife takes care of everything for him regarding the domestic sphere. I'm just saying this is what this schedule is actually assuming about you.
And he’s probably in a bar at 5:05pm getting drunk and having fun with friends on the way home.
Thank you! Honestly I hate how we hold onto things out of tradition while ignoring the context in which those traditions arose. The 9-5 is physically and mentally unsustainable in today's world. What is wrong with people pretending that it's fine.
never understood people who refuse to acknowledge that the system is broken and don't want things to improve for the next generation
The system is not broken. The world of capitalism by its nature chews workers up and spits them out. It's a matter of degree. Some workplaces are sweat shops. Some are souless cube farms. The trick is to find a niche where you can get the system to work to your advantage, to find allies within an organization and to maximize the perks. Most people realize they're wage slaves so they pretend to work, posture, etc. - play office politics. It passes the long hours they are 'required' to be at the office. It's a nasty game but you must look out for #1 - or it will eat you alive.
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Time is our only currency. Profit for one person is lost time for another.
I love WFH. I still put in my hours, work later into the evening, am able to focus more on tasks/projects without getting distracted, don't have to sit in mind-numbing traffic, can take a little time out of the day to do stuff around the house. It is 100% unfair to require people to go in, when their jobs don't require them to, especially when it costs $3K for a studio apartment where the office is.
The video at the beginning really got to me. When I was working in the city I had to make it on a 6:30 morning train and was getting back between 8 or 9. It sucked, was barely sustainable even with family support, and I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. Even though the commute at my new job is still pretty long, getting a few hours back has dramatically improved my quality of life. I’m glad people are putting it to words and pushing back. Work culture in many fields in the US approaches hazing, and it’s sad how older workers and managers don’t want to soften the blow.
Proud the younger generation is taking notice. Bravo! Hopefully things will change by the time i die. I dont want my kid to be forced to work 8+ hours.
These types of videos of yours are my favourite. Thank you for elevating the message of working differently.
I love the takedown of small minds defending The Way Things Are. Theyre so proud to show off their chains. I did not join the corporate world until my 30's and everything she says is so on point.
I thought the most important part of her video was not having time to go on a date ("meet guys"), and she admitted this awkward fact very reluctantly.
It's weird how grey hairs cry about the decline in family formation, and then don't see the connection between working culture and the ability to meet someone, let alone fall in love. If family comes first, society can be tweaked to make finding love slightly easier.
I think that we have to do something as a nation to address this. It's important that families are formed not only as a fundamental good for society that has many blessings, but the sheer fact that if they don't form, then civilization will decline. Every wealthy nation on earth is unable to birth enough children to keep their populations stable. The US makes up for our low birth rates through immigration, which is another issue. I have nothing against women working. Women are just as smart and talented as men. But I think corporate America was able to convince American society that work done outside the home was more important than work done in the home. Where it used to be that the home was, when the US was mainly an agrarian society, an economy unto itself, it became a place for consumers retreat to with their goods.
Commuting is such a suck of time, resources and your own soul!
I did the 9-5 commute for years then covid hit. There's no way I could do that again. A packed train during rush hour? Just to sit at a desk with a laptop? Crazy. I hope genZ changes thing. Us millennials are to worn down and jaded. My parents used to say "life's a bitch and then you die". Hardship is normal for us when it shouldn't be
Hardship is life.
Stumble to the bed and I stumble to the kitchen, poor myself a cup of ambition, and yawn and stretch and try to come alive. - Dolly Parton. I hear ya, we give up half our life to get money. Money for time is a losing game no matter what you do. Good video.
Through my nursing career so far, I’ve gone from 12hr/3days/week to 8hr/5days/week and finally WFH 8hrs/5days/week and I don’t think I’ve ever felt like I’ve had enough time for life outside of work. But the worst was BY FAR 8hrs/5days when not WFH. Easily 7 hours a week lost to commuting
RN here having worked both 8 and 12 hr shifts. Prefer the former as less days are required to come in to work and mostly miss the traffic going home.
My career was in the film industry... our standard day was 12.5 hours, often 6 days a week. Add in the commute and the days were extremely long. There was no time/energy for anyhing... the days off were spent recovering/resting. The good thing was that we were well paid AND there was no time to spend money. Saving was really really easy. Those who had a drug problem or a gambling addiction were the exceptions.
Just finished a unit on work and UBI in my philosophy class and I saw that video on twitter and I hoped someone would say something intelligent about it and I'm glad you did
I'm a 63 year old boomer, and what this young lady is saying is what I experienced as a young adult working in the corporate world in the 1980s. No mincing of words, it sucked. But you didn't dare say it out loud. It is really hard adjusting from university life to the soul-killing 9-6 work day (if you are lucky and not expected to work usually unpaid overtime). Some assholes in my generation will of course say "suck it up buttercup, we went through it, why shouldn't you have to?". I went through it. I'd be so happy if the next generations have a better deal. Living to work is for fools. Work to live. And for god's sake... LIVE!!! You only get one life. Don't sell it to a corporation for chump change.
I always tell my wife that I don't understand how women put up with current society. She spends at least an hour every morning putting on makeup and half an hour every night taking it off and cleaning herself up. She isn't just working 8-5 she's waking up at 6:30, makeup until 7:30, commute until 8 just to get off at 5, commute for 30, wash up for 30, get relaxed from 6-9 and get ready for bed at 10. She gets a measly 3-4 hours per day to herself. Plus she has to spend some of her income on things like make-up reducing her real wages even more.
Mic drop! This was a roast of the current system. Im cheering for Gen Z to make the changes that millennials could not make happen
What a great video. The work structure feels so archaic for the world that we live in today. Me and my friends discuss this all of the time
I am an elder millenial and I agree the system needs to change. Its sometimes hard to get past how it is communicated but you are definitely right. The expectation is we spend 55+ years studying and working and if were lucky 10+ yrs to enjoy it and then die. That would not have been bad if in those 55 years you are not expected to overwork and still have time for family, friends and non-work contributions to society but we are. That would have been OK if the fruits of those labor go into our families and the next generation but instead it goes to the pockets of a few greedy rich. For those who already "paid their dues" so to speak or even half way, we dont want those years to go in vain and so its easier to criticize. Even if deep inside we know it could be better.
I say break the cycle Gen Z! work smart, work together and change the system. Do not be content with playing by the rules of an unjust economy, instead create a more just one. Some of us will support you while we still can and for your sake and the sake of our children I am rooting for you.
Love this commentary. The pandemic brought about a different mentality when it comes to the necessity of travelling to an office to be productive. I am an investment advisor with many years experience in the industry serving my clients. When the pandemic hit I decided to begin working from home to protect my health. It has now been almost 4 years and of the 27 Independent advisors who were working from our offices there are now zero. Everyone is working remotely. I have put over 3 hours of travel time back in my pocket, I get a better nights sleep knowing I don't have to get up as early and that there won't be a huge rush to catch the train in the morning. My meetings with clients are now exclusively done with Teams or Zoom and documents are signed electronically. As a Boomer I have added quality to my life without decreasing my income. I can if I wish work longer or less but productivity has never been better.
Best channel on RUclips! Finally something that is thoughtful and provoking. Keep up the good work Kyla!
I'm under 30 and started my career 2 yrs ago. My first job was terrible. Average pay and demanding managers. I got mental issues because of them and had to quit and rest for a couple of months. Sometimes it feels so desperate that we need to work like this for decades.
There's an old saying... "Misery loves company". So people bashing her are just people who want their own misery to mean something.
I'm not going to deny that my work makes me feel miserable because it is bs how much i have to commute and how many hours i have to put in for work. Not to mention, i hate the real estate market right now and i would rather be homeless than give my miserable money to people who just sit on their bum and collect half my paycheck. Fk that idea.
Great video. I haven't watched your stuff in a while because I got busy but I find your take refreshing!
I feel some people downplay the different types of work as well that can influence how people are impacted by work structure. I have worked a county desk job, I was a cook, and I worked on a farm mostly pruning hundreds of grapes. I also have been a university student. I’ve learned I much rather work a more physically taxing job for longer hours than work a desk job. The biggest reason is because the desk job work never left my head when I clocked out and I often would continue to work more at home or on the weekends.Generally speaking, Construction workers wouldn’t do the job of IT or report writers and vice versa, people should be more considerate.
Your the Caitlin Clark of Economics!
RIP The 9-to-5
Promises were made
Then the ink vanished.
That is actually a great video!
Preach
beautiful pup ❤
I'm starting to see furniture again! Hopefully that portends some more stability in your life! ❤
Just found you and your channel. Thanks for listening to her. So many have dismissed her. Only thought I'd add is she is likely also being pressured to do more with a promise or out of fear. It's a common corporate culture to push especially the less experienced to do more in hopes of being rewarded later. They often give them RSUs versus money knowing they can lay them off and claw those back before they vest. This is especially true if they are using the new tactic of micro layoffs. So they avoid strict state and federal compliance rules plus public knowledge of layoffs.
Going from KY to LA (nice initials), I’m curious your thoughts on gen z’s developing sense of place. It seems either hyper mobile or not at all. Wonder the effects on wealth building
I agree, how do we start to make the change? Being in middle management I try my best but I also run into the 55+ year old or the tech startup CEO that listens to the billionaires saying work is everything and suck it up even though they never have gone through what it is like now. The dollar buying power and wadges have not kept up not even close.
Its stupid, everyone going to "work" at the same time.
Politicians love to promote the Benefits of 9 to 5 jobs in general.
Ideally in a society, a Corporate leader or Politician who actively Promotes 9 to 5 jobs, should be put under House-Arrest before calling for a Trial.
Politicians around the globe has pushed anti Union, and Anti High-Tech and critical thinking -- Jobs.
Politicians and Corporate leaders should fac ever more Accountability charges, or like what South Korea who is still debating and undergoing through the accountability trials of current Ministers and politicians who were trialed for promoting the 9 to 6pm jobs
Preach 🙏
What are your thoughts on companies switching their remote / in office policy as a soft layoff mechanism?
The customer base typically determines the hours that the company servicing that base has to be available. But there may not be a need in our tech capable world to require office employees to assemble in the same place at the same time. The main reason for requiring employees to be in the same place at the same time is trust. Perhaps employment compensation ought to be restructured to remove the trust concern allowing employees that can work remotely to do so. Even a local Regus office might be preferable to a long commute. I like to ask this question as often as I can when faced with similar challenges; if we weren't already doing it this way, is this how'd we start? Great topic for a 21st century challenge, Kyla. Thanks for amplifying it. ( I wasn't sure I understood what made Ford terrible but I'll look into that ).
I really don’t understand the punching down by some in the workforce - usually the same individuals that talk about the grind and all that jazz (and remember if they have to talk about it, it’s an exception not a habit). Those that hold that position need to take their head for a wobble.
Let’s be honest, and I as a Gen X feel I can take a view in this - 9 to 5 is an inefficient, pointless structure. I can accept 8 hours of work as an effective utilisation, but both the drive to return to office based solutions for collaboration (yawn), and the desire for people to literally clock in like they are on a factory line, because collaboration and innovation is well known for occurring during this mandated hours, is just mind blowing.
Flexible working, work where you best achieve desired outcomes, have appropriate leadership and management structures in place (more leadership than management), and get rid of these nonsense 20th Century hangovers.
Firms aren’t understanding
the generational shift that has occurred (which by the way, we Boomers, Gen X, Xennial, and millennial set the conditions for and caused). You will not beat the next generation into the cookie cutter image of what good looked like in your time. Just like your firm adapted to you as you came through (and me!), it needs to adapt to Z.
Just like the Gen X, Xennial, and millennial looked at the digital age and thought ‘Why are we using paper files in massive storerooms?’ Or ‘why can’t I instantly message my team members on the other side of the world?’, Gen Z are looking at the 9-5 and asking why? All power to them, because that, people, is how we progress as a civilisation.
Hi Kyla,
I hope you read this because i would like to know your thoughts on this particular subject relating to the real estate market.
I have been reading articles about how the baby boomer generation is the generation that may have caused the real estate market to bubble the way it has been recently. Do you find truth in this analysis at all, by any chance?
let's do something about it
I have cried like that.... for not having a job
Love you Kyla .
Have you read Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber?
you are so good at youtube
I can't imagine being an internet personality dealing with these small minded comments all the time... pretty exhausting
Oh man lol --when I first started working in IT, there was no "9-5" --it was like 6-7 days a week, 55+ hours. And when I wasn't at work, they were calling me or emailing me
How'd you like the 55+ hours ?
didn't hear about what is to be in the shoulde'rs of a giantess, until 12, althought small relief to echo the sentiment.
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although i'm a zombie sustained....
Whenever I have worked I intend to focus on the work and not anything else. It's when the job doesn't feel like work then I feel like I'm wasting my time. I never liked the concept of 9 to 5 because it felt like your boss would fill up your time with busy work that would only delay the goals. This is why I never liked service sector work, it's a waste of everyone's time. I would rather focus on work like a project to be accomplished.
It's so disappointing that this stupid office schedule didn't change after COVID. We have so much tech now which enables us to get many of the work done from home. Why do we need to be at the office 5-6 days a week???? Yes, there are some jobs that require you to be there physically, but the majority of jobs doesn't require you to be on site all the time. Employers could've switched to hybrid work structure after COVID, but they chose to go the soul crushing 9-5 route
Might be time for the 32 hour work week. Plus setting the minimum wage so employees can live within 30 minutes of a job.
Work socks, I know
Salary must consider commute time as it's time you spend in someone else.
how do you feel about the prediction that is made by 2030 most women ages while millennials and Genzie 45% of them will be single and jobless and in very heavy medication it’s the new gold mine I’ve been investing in so many businesses that are doing anti-depressants for women What are your thoughts?
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"what is hard work buddy" - love it. much rather work smart that hard. although I'm going through a situation now where new grads definitely need to work hard, and not smart. they're adding smart elements (GPT) without actually understanding the context. life..
this vlog is fire btw
I like the discussion about 9-to-5 and it will even raise more questions, on what the communities will spend their money on. In my city, well, its about bikes and scooters, but in my opinion, they had already had it good before. But they cause trouble with the commuters, who have shit trains, shit buses, and on that shit, their cars are also shit canned with taxes and fees. The inner cities must make it easy for commuters to arrive and leave. Otherwise i see inner cities dying. Shit is dropped at the border of the inner city, let them see, how they get it. Maybe thats the way to go, and the surburbs try a new model. :)
just saw the pup
Hi Kyla
I'm sure you won't read this because I never get any interaction from the talking head influencers. This fight is still going on. The UAW is currently fighting for this. I have family members who work in the shop. They get put on mandatory 10 and 12 hour shifts and mandatory 7 days a week for weeks on end. The only way they get a day off during these times it to burn PTO. It's ridiculous. People need to get over the poor me BS and stand for something. Nothing can change if we don't stop looking at other people with unwarranted criticism. Plus the UAW is fighting against the wealth gap that plagues the US.
Guys like jason is talking like that because they did not have an outlet like she did, so they all sucked it up, and now they award themselves by saying we went thru that without btching. But yeah it always did suck no question, i went thru it, commute and all, although i would have still sucked it up today. But it does suck hard. The pandemic really is a tipping point for a change.
if you don't know how people do the 9-5 why don't you just ask your parents...
I work 12 hours a day. Out of town for 2 weeks. I have GED and make over $200k a year. Sorry for people who don’t want to work hard for a good living. Life is hard…….
Life is hard. Lets make it better
@@KylaScanlon hard work and excepting responsibility for my family has made my life amazing. FYI, I’ve gone from homeless to where I am. So I’m not some spoiled person who mom and dad propped up. Wife got pregnant at 17. Been married 25 years now, raised two men who are productive members of society. Trust me when I say, life being hard builds character and actually makes life better.
If you regard your success as exceptional, then by definition, you cannot realistically say that society should work this way. Continue to be exceptional. Continue to regard it as exceptional.
@@mightbesherwood1313 I’m definitely not exceptional. Trust me. The people who came through the Great Depression or the people who actually suffered and came out on top are exceptional.
we must down to the prophets…. good pun!
I had an internship in an investment bank based in China. I arrive at 8.30 and leave at 5 (sometimes 6). As an intern I did not have a super heavy workload but my colleagues brought their laptops home and continued to work until late. It is just super common to work OT in the eastern Asia and especially in the banking/tech industry... It is sad how people are just complaining and still adjusting to it
Proletarian gonna proletariat. Workers today are more productive than ever but since we live in capitalism the capitalists have arranged things so one worker is doing the job of three instead of three workers doing only one third the amount of work.
life is suffering. work is hard. everything is ephemeral
Free time during Covid, you got into the federal reserve?😂
Life has always been hard. Don't like it? Change what you are doing. Complaining about it and doing nothing about it is a huge waste of time. There has never been more opportunity than right now. Henry Ford, a terrible person? His business employed thousands of people.
I really want to listen to what you say. You talk so fast that I can only listen for 10 minutes before I turn off your videos.
Did you know you can choose the speed of videos?
Tap on the video, choose the gear, choose playback speed, slow it down. I do this with many of her videos
I just cannot bring myself to have sympathy for this person. Life is so incredibly easy right now. Just 🙄
your eyes are really pretty
Who is working 9 to 5? It's 9 to 6 as far as I know, lunch break is not included. And honestly it's not a tragedy. Commuting IS a big problem, I agree, so if, imagine, you live next door to your office - it suddenly becomes all fine. The best solution I can think of is to rent apartment closer to your work. If you think about it, it's worth it. Doesn't really make sense to live far away and suffer every day for years and years. What other options are there? Get a helicopter or change work.
Most ignorant comment I have ever read,...must be a looser boomer
I work 12 hours a day, 5 days a week as a Gen Z'er
I view my life as blessed because of the 1880-1890 100 hour work weeks
Adequate sleep from the National Sleep Association is 7-9 hours. On the high end, that'll give me 5 hours of downtime. That's plenty for my family and me.
If those in our generation want to work less, they will get paid less even if the law changes. It's impossible for a company to pay higher than what your work is worth... the Law won't even change that. Everything about work and good work is about Supply and Demand.
How much is your job worth? Do you make a living wage with your job? If you don't like college and don't like your job pay now, get a trade and make a business out of it.
There's endless amounts of opportunities that complainers won't ever see because they're too busy self inflicting themselves.
Find a career that fits you characteristically and has the pay you want and go get it. That girl isn't forced to be in that 9-5 soul sucking office job. She'll learn there's more life has to offer. Let her fail.
Right, none of us are forced into working. We have the freedom to starve and become homeless.
“The market” doesn’t determine true value of labor because wages are artificially choked by the threat of homelessness.
Read a book…
@adamleinberger955
Get outside and explore the world for yourself instead of thinking reading books is gonna change reality of life.
Wisdom is higher than intelligence anyway. Complaining about market value because supply and demand has made it that way, will keep you in vanity (:
Be proudfully vain and indignant and waste your life away (:
@@piece3063
It's called Righteous Indignation.
@piece3063
Sympathy and empathy is meaningless. Nobody is exempt from life's hardship. Life's hardships are guaranteed. What isn't guaranteed is how you answer.
I am not praising myself. I am attacking the brittle mentality that life should be easier and easier. Nothing people protest over or strike over will ever be enough. What they complain about today, next decade, it will be pushing for free money to be handed out and living in vain is nobody elses fault but their own. You learn nothing if you think I am talking about myself.
@piece3063
The purpose of righteous indignation is to exploit the vain and unrighteous. I don't need your mockery.
The intent of wisdom is to pass it down for others to gain.
Living righteously is how you overcome life's hardships.