Shaq Believes He and SGA Were Robbed of MVP | THE ODD COUPLE
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- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker try to understand Shaquille O'Neal's beef with how the MVP award has been handled with Nikola Jokic and in the past with Shaq himself.
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The way Shaq interviewed Jokic after winning MVP was embarrassing and it was full resentment. If Shaq wanted more MVPs he should've stayed fit and in shape.
Shaq is right and Jokic getting swept is an indictment on him, he’s a getting exposed by the T-Wolves.
@@bernyourharthe hasn't been swept it's only 2-0. Not his fault Murray is garbage every game.
Fit and in shape doesn’t mean anything, the mvp was forever scarred when Steve Nash of all people won the award twice. And Shaq was fit in Orlando and they gave it to David Robinson. I remember Robinson scoring 70 points the last game of the season to beat Shaq in ppg average. And the other team basically let Robinson score to beat Shaq.
@@bernyourhartNow, y'all wolves fan. Murray is being exposed. If you really watched it they are blitzing Murray.
@bernyourha GETTING EXPOSED. LMAO. HE IS PLAYING AGAINST 3. WOW
Steve Nash lives rent free in Shaq’s head and like Ernie said “ he’ll never catch him” 😂
Shaq is so petty. He’s got the maturity of a child. World’s biggest 12 year old.
Facts
worlds richest 12 year old
Shaq: "I got robbed....I was baddest mofo"...😂😂😂. Shaq still hurt 😊
You would be too if you don't get it, but they seem to want to hand them out to Joker.
😂
Shaq not getting his 5th MVP award was the most tragic event in human history. 😔
Hes the best center and best player it's not even close. Shai has a loaded team. The nuggets suck without him. Murray is a moron who has no intelligence and is conceited. @@HardCold-Alquan
@@CampaignerSCShaq won only 1 MVP bro. You don't watch basketball major blunder there.
This is about Shack's unprofessional behavior towards Jokic.
Ernie was trying his best to control it, but Shack went on an embarrassing rant against Jokic.
This video focused on other players MVPs, just deflecting Shack's behavior.
He disrespected Jokic. There is no excuse.
Who got MVP in the past is irrelevant.
Shame on you guys!
Media guys always support other guys even when they are wrong.
Steve Nash was absolutely amazing.
He was but no way he should have more mvps than Kobe, Shaq...it's like Rudy having more DPOY than Tim Duncan and AD
The biggest problem with this entire discussion is that people act like Jokic votes for himself. To be honest I dont think he really cares that much about winning MVP. I think it makes him happy to get recognized but Jokic has never been the guy to talk about how great he is. There is also another factor here. Last year was such a Anti Jokic vote as opposed to a pro Embiid vote because Kendrick Perkins decided to make things about race. This year was undoing the damage that did when Jokic went on a historical run when Embiid crashed and burned.
100% agree. Blame the voters who voted for that fraud Embiid last year.
Denver had the 2nd most wins this year with no backup bigs and statistically he had the best season again. Having a different opinion is fine but people saying he isn’t deserving of MVP is insane. His screens changed the game last night and that doesn’t show up on a stat sheet
Quit pretending that people listen and value what Perk says. It had nothing to do with what he says and more to do with historical precedent. No one cares about perk like that bro
@@mr.walters7930He doesn't even play with another all star, this is during the super team era!
@@CarlosRayNorris1979 lol Murray is an all star when healthy but I get your point. Their starting 5 is talented but depth particularly at big is weak, and Murray is the only other guy that can consistently get his own bucket. Jokic doesn’t even have a backup.
Regardless of what happens this year they need a 2nd big guy on their team. Anybody. That 4th foul was actually somewhat a blessing because it forced them to rest him and he had a monster 4th. If they can get someone to take 4-5 minutes from him before that stretch run in playoff games that is crucial and increases their odds. They may get by Minny this year but many of these teams are trending upward in the west.
@@mr.walters7930 He doesn't play with another all star!
He also went at Shannon Sharpe as well for this topic.
He went at Shannon cause Shannon said shaq didn't work as hard
@@MikeBNumba6He repeated what Shaq said about himself and the same thing Kobe said
@MikeBNumba6 Kobe basically said if Shaq had worked as hard as he himself did, Shaq would've had multiple more championships and would be in the goat conversation.
@@MikeBNumba6 that's not all what he said lol 😂😂 you miss him saying "jealous of Joker" which is a ASSUMPTION
@goldteethpoohproductions2707 don't be so dense. He is obviously jealous and he's still super salty. The way he went at Barkley and Unc
As a professional, that was purely unprofessional of Shaq.
I agree. You don't tell someone 'congratulations on winning the election - although you really didn't deserve it!' Now, I think that Joker is over hyped - although he does do his thing, but for Shaq to say that was not only bold, but classless and weak. I think that if Joker had been in player in any other position, Shaq would not have cared.
No you guys are weak he's in the media instead of saying stuff and hiding face he said it like a man. Y'all just some weak men 🤷🏿♂️. IT'S HIS OPINION STOP WHINNING
It was disgraceful.
Exactly. It's not about debating SGA v Jokic. it's about being classy and professional when you're presenting a guy w an award. It's v disrespectful and rude. And Jokic doesn't deserve. I'm totally cheering for the Nuggets to go on another run and make all these guys eat their words -- like last year. Honestly, I think the reason the Nuggets have crushed and embarrassed Lebron in the last two years is b/c Lebron drafted Jokic last during the all-star game. I don't completely understand Jokic's psychology, but it was SO disrespectful after the winning the MVP. ESPECIALLY as Jokic goes out of his way to be respectful to all the greats, including Lebron and Shaq. Shaq may have given Jokic the motivation he's been lacking this post-season.
@17NateJohnson, obviously, you missed the show then. Barkley announced who won and EJ asked Shaq his thoughts on it. Shaq is allowed to have an opinion and voice it. If he thinks Jokic didn't deserve to win, he should say that. He was asked how he felt about Jokic winning, so he shouldn't have to lie.
Thing is, Take Jokic, Embiid, Kawhi, Luka, Shai, Tatum, abs Brunson off their respective teams this year and what team suffers the most? Look at how bad the Sixers were when Embiid went down. A year without Embiid playing, the Sixers don't even sniff the playoffs. Could you say the same for the Nuggets if Jokic didn't play?
It’s been almost 20 years Shaq. He needs to let go of those MVPs he lost.
Yeah, Shaq is a legend, he don't need to be salty about the number of MVP he won
Nah Shaq earned that MVP in 05 and Kobe should've had it the next year. Nash didn't deserve either MVP.
The Big Baby.👶
@@certifiedyaminspector-dadd6224
In ‘05 Shaq split his votes with Wade, that’s likely what cost him. If Wade’s went to Shaq he’d have won it.
In ‘06 Lebron finished 2nd. So Kobe wasn’t getting it even if Nash wasn’t there. Kobe wasn’t even 3rd, Dirk was.
Nash didn’t steal Kobe’s MVP, Kobe was barely in the race.
@@certifiedyaminspector-dadd6224 Nash had the best record and team improvement in 2005 while he also won the assist title.
Oneal had a worse record than Nash and wasn't even the clear best player in his own team in 2005.
Bryant was 4th in 2006 so Nash never robbed him unlike Nowitzky or James who had more reasons to feel robbed.
SGA, if you think you’re winning MVP in your team’s first breakout season, you’re drunk. You gotta knock on MVP once or twice before you actually get it. I mean ask Luka.
@fredomwhiner I’d rather get drunk than so namer typing in social media thinking he knows 🏀🤦♀️🤷♀️
Luka deserved it. Luke averaged 34, 9, and 10
You mean the guy that people SHOULD be debating for being robbed of the MVP instead of not even mentioning him at all? Jokic deserved to win, but if anyone wants to whine about somebody else being robbed, it would be Luka and only Luka. SGA should have been a distant 3rd in voting, if everyone voted based on merit instead of skin color.
Derrick Rose
@@JakeKoenig So reward Jokic and Luka for being the worst defenders on their team. White supremacist trigger words "its not about race." You just called for 2 white men worst defenders on their team, not in 1st place in either coference to be the league mvps. I couldnt ask for you to be more blatantly racist 🖕🤡
Steve Nash didn’t win MVP until Shaq and Kobe split. It was AI , Duncan and KG that won MVP during their run.
Shaq shouldn't have even won in tht 05 or 06 year..wade was better than him
That's not why at all.
I feel like Chris' introduction to people is, "Hey, I'm Chris Broussard and I'm one of the nba mvp voters.
Jokic should have silently just walked off. The reason he didn’t is because he frankly just doesn’t care about the award like others do. He just doesn’t seem motivated by them.
Jokic just laughed in Shaq's face like a true champ and shrugged it off! That is what MVPs do!
The amount of drama in the NBA, it should be a soap opera
It is. I call it the NBA Housewives. The Lakers and Warriirs could give the Houwives of Atlanta a run for the money in being messy.
The years Nash won Kobe and Shaq no longer played together man
Nash still deserved them I’d argue LBJs had an argument for 06
@@isaiahh4108🌽
Steve Nash was not better then Kobe
He had wade. Young wade before the injuries.
@@isaiahh410806 if it wasn’t Nash it would have gone to Dirk or LBJ
Shaq is a jealous individual when he was shipped out of LA and won a chip with Miami he was shaking his ass talking about Kobe couldn't win one without him of course Kobe went on to win two more with gasol
Facts you had to be there to understand the moment when Kobe got 5 and vs the Cs that washed Shaq was on or joined the next season
😂😂😂
Rob needs to get his facts straight, Shaq & Kobe weren’t together when Nash won.
Nash still deserved both awards. He was more valuable than both of them.
@@blackmanwithcomputer in the regular season he was andthat is a regular season award. i don't know why this people are butt hurt about it, jokic just had the 4th straight season in top 20 PER all time. lol
@@blackmanwithcomputerdebatable. The Mavs somehow got better when Nash left, which doesn’t scream valuable to me.
@@johnnybgood7442 He added 33 wins to a 29 win team. Nash clearly just played better on the Suns.
@@blackmanwithcomputer did you notice that Stoudemire missed 27 games the year before? Or that they weren’t running D’Antoni’s system yet because he was an interim coach after they fired Johnson? Or how they traded two starters (Marbury and Hardaway) after 34 games? Why do people act like Nash was the only difference in those two seasons?
Real reason why Shaq only won 1 is because he barely played full seasons. He had multiple sub 70 game seasons in his prime.
That's a great point.
He played 73 games in a season only one time after his MVP in 2000.
And there was always someone in the league who was better than Shaq who also didn't have a first-team all-NBA teammate like Shaq always had. If Shaq wants to blame anyone for being "robbed," he should blame Penny, Kobe, and DWade. Hard to win MVP when you have the best guard in the league on your team.
@@JakeKoenigShaq was the best player during those years, that's why all the players put Shaq in their top5. You should put some respect.
And look at what he did after he finished 2nd to Robinson. He missed a bunch of games@@thetruthendofstory
So … for me, this isn’t about debating SGA v Jokic.
This is about Shaq being pretty rude to Jokic on the night he won. I mean, of course guys can debate. But on the night and network that was handing out the award, it was v impolite to bring that up.
Why was Shaq SO worked up. It’s sort of bizarre.
Jokic wasn't even trying to get a mvp
But yeah
I don't think Shaq was trying to be rude, he was disclosing information that he felt Jokić was entitled to know (because Shaq wanted to know things like that when he was playing).
He's literally applying the Golden Rule. The problem is that he was seemingly abused by his father (which he would probably justify), so his standards are extreme.
@@3rdCoastAlliance nah. It was petty. If the roles were reversed and someone brought up the fact they didn't think Shaq should have won the MVP to his face on live TV, he would have been p*sseed off and made a scene. Look what he did to Bill Walton over his sleight critique of Shaq. He has carried a vicious grudge for over 20 years. Shaq knew what he was doing
@@thetruthendofstory I don't doubt that he would have. What I'm saying is that he would of appreciated the honesty; but yeah, he would likely take it personally.
If shaq and Kobe cancel out one another, Than explained to me how Lebron got 2 mvps playing alongside Dwade and Bosh and later got Ray Allen
Exactly hogwash
Wade was no where near on lebrons level when he joined.. Kobe and Shaq were both top 3 players in the league. D wade was maybe the 5-10th best player in the league. He had great seasons with lebron but not mvp level seasons
Cause D Wade wasn’t averaging 33 and 16 like Shaq was 😂
Because hes one of the greatest basketball players ever at the peak of his career lmao
@@MattyAdlardbro Wade was Top3 in the world and outplayed Bron 2011’ Playoffs/Finals, Wade was already a finals mvp… y’all get on here cappin for no reason 🤦🏽♂️lmao
He's right, in the past the league went out of their way to give the mvp to a player having unusual success coupled with team success.
By the logic Tatum should have won this award
@neutral_10 nah, Shaq is just thinking about how the mvp award used to be decided. I remember years like when Barkley won it or David Robinson when the actual mvp statistically/objectively didn't get it because both players were having their best statistical season coupled with team success (best record in league or conference). Jokic, according to old voting patterns, shouldn't have got it SGA should have. Shaq should just accept that there is no real criteria it's switches over time.
Nuggets and OKC has the same record tie breaker to okc
@roberthall1818 Yes, but the Nuggets just won the chip, so it wasn't unexpected for them to have a great regular season record. OKC had an exceptional regular season record wise for them, and their best player personally had great stats. We know Jokic is by most opinions the best player in the league, but there used to be a desire amongst voters to avoid giving it to the same player every year.
@@neutral_10 Nah the Celtics have been a good team for years now. The Thunder went from not making the playoffs to the 1 seed in the West. SGA would be in that category
Disrespect & envy hurt, Shaq.
The years Nash won the MVP Kobe and Shaq weren’t teammates so they couldn’t have canceled each other out those years.
& Bru said having an allstar/allnba teammate hurts your case but he voted for LeBron back2back 2012’/2013’ while playing with Wade and Bosh…
kobe only had 45 wins and nash had more wins in 05 than shaq. suns went from 29 wins to 62
@@scoop2448 yea I’m not arguing Shaq or Kobe deserved mvp those years. Just that Rob’s reasoning is incorrect. Even during the Lakers 3 peat Kobe never finished higher than 5th
@@rbgrbg8780 to be fair during the Lakers three peat Kobe was still a little raw. He really didn't put it all together until after Shaq had left. Also look who was winning and who was in contention for the MVP during the Lakers three peat. It's easy to see why Kobe wasn't top 5 at that stage of his career
They are talking in general over
Their careers
"Jokic didn't beat an over .500 team in the playoffs" ....well you don't see him losing to under .500 teams either. ..Make better arguments, less straw man's.
Truth is the MVP award doesn’t matter because there has been too many discrepancies…….just call it the “media favorite award”
I totally agree. The award has lost its value to a large degree because the criteria is ambiguous and arbitrary.
Shaq had Kobi and Wade, who does Jokic have...Pulling his team for ages...
Who's Jokic competing with? this era is weak
@@AlexanderT281 BS
And Penny. Penny was 1st team all-NBA while Shaq was in Orlando. Shaq NEVER played without another Top 10 player except his rookie season, and when he was a washed-up has been in Phoenix and Boston.
Wait a damn minute!!! wtf is Rob talking about? Shaq and Kobe canceled each other out? When Nash won those MVP’s Shaq was playing in Miami he and Kobe weren’t teammates anymore
Playing SECOND FIDDLE to Wade when Nash won his MVPs. Don't leave out the most relevant part of the story because it hurts whatever argument you're trying to make.
If Kobe was alive ( rest his soul ) you ask him if he care more about winning chips or MVPs , if he would trade his 1 mvp and 5 chips for 5 MVPs and 1 chip , he would laugh in your face . Him and Shaq cancelled each other out . They’re 100 percent right in my opinion . Rest in peace kobe , way too soon for him . Still crazy he not with us .
Did you speak with him and confirm this, or are you speaking from him via his spirit? 🤔
Thank you, Kobe never complained about not getting mvps his goal was to win rings.
Stop speaking for Kobe bruh, you don’t know him and never knew him. Stop it.
@@uncleb7821 Mann we sensitive out here . Not surprising though it’s 2024 . Go touch some grass .
@@cflo1386he absolutely did. His exact words: “It was never a mission of mine to win a lot of MVPs. It was to win a lot of championships.
With that being said, does it bother me? Yeah, it bothers me. Of course it bothers me.”
Shaq is thee actual largest child ever
Nah not more than Bron. Literally having three year old tantrums on the court while his man scores.
@@LouSephon the floor with his arms up
Amen 🙏
@@LouSeph video is about Shaq & SGA why u on Bron dick lmao
@@LouSephLebron gotta be the worst defender in the league. Every play instead of getting back on defense he’s on the other side crying to the refs as a grown ass man
“Just give it to the best dude. Nah!” Craziest thing I’ve heard in a while.
Shaq is despicable. He always makes it about him. Can you imagine what people would be saying if Skip said the same thing to Joel Embid.
Nash deserved it.... shaq needs to let that go 👍
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh
For real
No
No he didn’t
He went 15 & 10 & 18 & 10 that’s not mvp caliber
Shaq is in his PERSONAL feelings😢😢
Thank you, guys. Great points. True sports journalists. They still exist. Thanks again !!! Great content!
Great Take!!
This was Shaqs Kanye interrupting Taylor Swift moment. It was pathetic and sad. Luka had a better season than SGA and so did Jokic, the numbers speak for themselves.
All I will say is that SGA had more wins than Jokic and Luka. It seems like one year winning matters and the next year winning doesn’t or not as much. I’m still wondering why Tatum received no MVP love whatsoever!!!!
@@DarrylRascoebecause I’d the most valuable not the best player on best team if you have a better team clearly you not as valuable as someone w/ a lesser team (except when the media looked the other way for LBJs in MIA but did when he got to Cle cuz they did hold it against Steph/KD in GSW) and like the OG post said Luka got robbed but he’s Euro so the culture don’t care
@isaiahh4108 - I guess it's where you are. But I see lots of culture love for Luka.
Compare SGA's 2nd best teammate to The Joker & Luka's 2nd best teammate on the team. That right there gives SGA the edge over The Joker & Luka. Even if Murray is playing injured, you still gotta respect him, because he can turn into a sniper at the mid range jumper and hit a lot of 3s while being guarded as well.
@@MrBornUnique I never realized they play 2 v 2 in the NBA
shaq averaged 22 points and 10 rebounds on the mvp he got potentially robbed? wade averaged more points. stop it.
Been saying that..wade was better than him 05 and 06
04 was Petty White's last descent year.
they were both great.. shaq was 2nd in mvp voting and only lost by 30 pts
If someone was robed that year it was Dirk Nowitzki.
Nash is white. That's why Shaq is cherry-picking him out of the 18 players who won an MVP over him during his career.
Shaq would have a better argument saying he got robbed by Iverson. Lakers beat the 76ers for the title, and Shaq had arguably his best statistical season. But Iverson is black. Shaq knows that sniping at Nash is a better PR move, even though he was second fiddle to Wade when Nash won his MVPs, and he only played 59 games the year Miami won the title.
Chris "I'm a voter" Broussard
8:35 this is where stats can be misleading Jamal Murray is an all star caliber player but he has been injured often during this time of year
Shaq always overrates himself, he was nowhere near as skilled as the other best centers in history. He did not have the footwork, passing, 3 point shooting or basketball IQ that Jokic has. He was simply so big and strong that no one could guard him.
Actually you forgot to mention, he had more athleticism than other centers to go with his brute strength. Teams had to stock up on bodies for the hack a Shaq strategy.
Chris & Rob y’all stay capping. So y’all just gonna ignore that during the 2008-2010 run, Kobe and the Lakers went 179-67 in the regular season, beat 10 players in the Top 75 list in the playoffs, went to three straight NBA Finals, WITHOUT Shaq and won back-to-back championships WITHOUT a top 75 teammate & with Pau being is 2nd option avg 18 pts. But YALL voted LeBron for MVP getting tore cat raggedy & run out of Cleveland by SAME teams Kobe beat 😂😂😂😂
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Plz Say it out loud again . these people been cappin hard
Watched him keep chucking shots at 45% fg. MVP!
Chris giving his vote to Luka when he plays with a 1st ballot hall of famer in Kyrie and they finished 5th over SAG is mind boggling
You guys are always right on target
Most Valuable and best player are two vastly different things, idk why this is so hard to understand.
Shaq and Kobe having 2 collective MVPs does expose the flaws in the voting imo.
Exactly
Not really. With the possible exception of the Steve Nash MVPs, the other years the people who got MVPs had legitimately better years than Kobe or Shaq. Shaq had played 73 games in a season only one time after his MVP year. He often was out of shape or injured.
Kobe was great, but there were legitimate questions about how much of his success was more due to teams concentrating on stopping Shaq, and less his abilities. And after they split, Kobe had good years statistically but several of those years the Lakers weren't contenders, even being awful.
@@thetruthendofstoryyes really players and coaches should have votes. The writers pick who they like not who deserves it. Kobe was robbed due to the rape case and shaq deserved more than 1 as well.
@@thetruthendofstoryrevisionist history... kobe was done after 2013 with injuries. 05 and 06 they had the worst roster in the league from 07 to 2013 playoffs every year and went to finals 3 times.
Kobe caught that case and that’s what kept people from voting for him. He had to rebuild his reputation in the league.
Shaq trying to preface when talking to Jokic with, “no disrespect” and then disrespecting Jokic right to his face.. that was just ironically funny 😂
“Cancel each other out” Rob says that like the media can decide not to vote that way or with that premise in mind. The media decides the criteria but it’s never consistent. What wins someone the MVP in one year might be held against another player in another year. The award is narrative driven and once the media starts shaping the narrative for a player it’s hard to move them off of that. There needs to be a separation of the award: Media MVP and then MVP as voted on by coaches and players.
So SGA should be MVP due to the team he has around him.
The real problem is they GIVE the awards to people. Which means one year you dont get it because you had another ALL NBA player on your team, another year, you were a 3 seed, another year its about who avg the most points, another year its about who had the least help. Shaq is correct the award should go to the best player every year but since they have set a precedence of GIVING the awards to people based on silly things then they either have to keep doing that or spit in the face of Shaq, Kobe and others who were robbed…
It’s the most valuable player for that season not the best player award
@@isaiahh4108 in what world was steve nash ever more valuable than shaq, kobe, bron and wade? Let alone twice in a row lol
Shaq was not robbed. he sat out of a lot of games. Kobe probably was robbed of one tho.
@@dusttaker Shaq is literally 4 humans put together. Thats very taxing on his knees and back. He rested a few games here and there and still led the league in scoring, efficiency, blocks and dunks some of those years. While holding the number one seed and winning 3 straight titles and going to 4 straight. 1 MVP??? Really???
@@daydreamyn5943 its a regular season award so if you dont play enough in the reg season why would you win a reg season award?
THATS A GOOD TAKE ROB!!!! didn't see it like that...🙌🏾🙌🏾
Shaq was correct that SGA deserved to win, he just didn’t do a good job of professionally expressing his point by including his own perceived MVP slights into the conversation.
Check statistic first
Shaq averaged 20-10 the year he keeps talking about.. what mvp was he expecting to win
The crazy thing is SGA had the exact same year (and even averaged MORE ppg) last year… and the Thunder finished 10th. So was SGA really more valuable over the addition of Chet this season, along with the MASSIVE jumps that both Jalen Williams and players like Lou Dort took this season? It’s just weird man the hill some people choose to die on.
Thank you. Finally someone paying attention to the Thunder. Us adding Chet and massive leaps in some of our other players is what made a lot of the difference. SGA is great, but you're right, we finished 10th last season with him averaging about the same as this season.
Been saying this..without chet no playoffs with chet number 1 seed and yet no one talks about it
@@dceltics2461 Absolutely. Chet both ends of the floor. The major reason for OKC's big jump this year.
Lol be quiet Joker was a 10 seed without Murray 🤣
@@HakeemTheDream616 True but literally has nothing to do with OKC improvement. Try to keep up with us.
Chris is wrong. Shaq was great his 3rd year but David Robinson was a monster defensively. He was 1st team all defense and finished 4th in DPOY despite having similar numbers to Shaq.
MVP=Does not mean the best player in the league or who had the best year in the league. It means who was the most valuable player to his team and the most productive in a winning team that has made the play-offs. SGA and Luka had better stats than Jokic. SGA was the true MVP, in my view.
The Kobe & Shaq argument doesn't work because LeBron won two MVPs with Miami. This year I agree with what Paul Pierce said. Shai doesn't get enough attention from the mainstream media .
The way Jokic plays is the way they tried for years to tell us that LeBron plays. Making his teammates better.
LeBron lead G leaguers to the finals multiple years so yeah
@@Bookem35 In the weak East Conference.
@@Oridginale24 It's still weak, weaker now than it has ever been
@@Oridginale24The front court of this era is weak...
@@Bookem35 Funny how they only become "G leaguers after his team gets blown out in the Finals. And if he did lead "G leaguers", then what does that say about the calibre of his in conference competition at that time?
An MVP can make Free Throws......
Just change it to Most Outstanding Player
Jamal Murray definitely is all NBA talent. He just never makes the lists cause of injuries. But until this timberwolves series, he usually plays all star caliber basketball in the playoffs. Jokic doesn’t win without him. So Jokic does have all star talent around him.
That’s the point the NBA season is a marathon that’s why it’s a joke now cuz guys saving themselves for the playoffs that’s not how it’s supposed to be you play all the games take the toll of the regular season then fight to the finish line battered and bruised like the players of the past Murray doesn’t get extra credit because he pulls his weight after missing large portions of the race
Jamal Murray has the worst shooting % in the playoffs of all high volume shooters and you think he's all-nba?
@@BigginsInAmerica is that for these playoffs or does that include last year’s playoffs as well? Cause he’s obviously struggling this year but he balled out last post season as well as in the bubble.
@@isaiahh4108 do you think guys of the past were more durable? I think the game has changed so much that going all out for 82 games and still having something left in the tank for the playoffs is something only a select few are capable of.
No. Wrong. Not an All-Star means not an All-Star. English is easy to understand.
Jordan scored 63 against Bird in a playoff game LOSS but was STILL player of the game with NO arguments...🏀🤷🏽♂️
And he lost. Actually he continued to lose until Bulls got better players and Jackson became coach.
@@greggibson33 Having the misfortune to play against a team with 5 hall of fame players on the roster isn't a knock on mj. The Celtics only lost 1 home game in 86. 1 game. And that includes the playoffs. They went 50-1 at home. That's a juggernaut right there.
It's like if someone had to play the dynasty warriors in the first round without any viable second option. A series loss is inevitable
What the heck does that have to do with MVP?
@@SuperSonic_868 I already know all that. And it wasn't a knock. It's just the facts. I'm emphazising that no one wins alone.
The regular season MVP has nothing to do with the playoffs, which is a completely different entity. Still, MJ had a phenomenal and herculean effort and permanence, despite losing to BOS back in the '86 playoffs!
If the league should do anything, they should rename the award to the Most Oustanding Player
Nash got the mvp because of the suns turnaround that year and his numbers. Shaq went to a ready made team where he and wade were equals. And Kobe the next year was the 7th seed and blew a 3-1 lead against Nash. It’s so obvious what this is.
Steve Nash literally meant to a ready made team. The Suns were in the playoffs in 2003 and didn't make in 2004 due to injuries & several coaching changes.
The Suns were just as talented as those Heat teams, but younger. Nash only averaged 15pts & 11asts anyway on top of being a very weak defender.
He had a great year undeniably, but MVP? Back to back at that? Lol hilarious. It was controversial then. But the NBA needed a new face of the league and Bryam Colaneglo helped create the league where Nash could flourish with rule changes.
Equals my ass. Wade was his superior in Miami. ESPECIALLY the year they won the title.
@@atlien1988 "The Suns were in the playoffs in 2003..."
Yeah, and promptly lost in the first round.
"...and didn't make in 2004 due to injuries..."
You mean like the kind of "injuries" that Amare Stoudemire, the Suns best all-around player, suffered in 2006, when he missed 79 games and Nash STILL led the Suns to the Western Conference Finals? Sit down. The only thing hilarious is that you think you know anything about basketball.
Michael Jordan won the 91 title being the only all star on the team, and also the 98 title being the only all star on that team.
it's not that Jokic isn't playing with an all star this season. It's that nobody he has ever played with has ever been an all star. those are very different things.
Pippen was snubbed, all star voting is worst than MVP voting but go off!
@@mikeweeks694 wasn't Deandre Jordan an all star? Maybe he meant starters?
@@dusttaker Starters.
Go rewatch the video, you fool.
The seasons he got “robbed “ he’s teammate , wade ,averaged 27 points per game. In both seasons Nash won mvp. So I’m confused on what season is he talking about?
Hilarious video.
There should be two awards, Most Valuable Player and Most Outstanding Player because the criteria keeps vacillating between the two definitions.
Yep. They should've started in the 50's when awards first were given. Great example: Wilt 50 ppg, 25 rbs.... no MVP.
Let's be real the voters have a bias to white brothers who can ball.
You make no sense.
Awful take.
They change it only for Joker no one else lol
@@Adrian-bn2xeOther way around lol
If we can have the media put an asterisk on the bubble ring, we can put an asterisk on the bubble mvp. I think 3 consecutive years is great, but to their point, negative against 50+ win teams, a pandemic shortened season, possibly knocked out of the second round and swept in 4 games.
There's no asterisk on any championship. If that's the case we can go back and find things about many championship runs and put an asterisk.
@singerlee4446 my point is a commentary and the media. I'll give them credit but the credentials of the MVP discussion and athlete greatness isn't always specified based on every intangible skill a player has, if Jokic didn't win championships, does it really make him the most valuable player on the team? Is it the points? Rebounding? How do you make an argument on great if everyone's opinion comes down to popularity. Also, I've spoken to many who say the bubble rings shouldn't count because of the circumstances. Which is my point to your comment, some agree it's a championship ring others explain otherwise.
Ain’t no sweep happening here. Chill. Im a lakers fan. But Denver prob gonna win in 7
How's that sweep going, champ? And Denver can only beat the teams in front of them, so the "didn't beat a 50-win team" crap is a buffoon argument from buffoon humans. Also, only four MVPs in the past 25 years won a title that same year, so that's a stupid argument too.
@JakeKoenig am I champ or a buffoon? 😁😁😅😅 I see your reading comprehension isn't up there with my statement. Your response is everything I hate in modern social media sports analyst, the sky is falling, and the nuggets are definitely going to be swept in 4 games. I put in 'possibly', also, they haven't beaten any 50+ win teams in a series so far which is a criticism the very analyst on this video pointed out could be a negative to the nuggets ans jokic and his legacy as the 'best center ever'. I stand by .y point, everyone online with an opinion has their barometer of whose no one can agree on what criteria is going to be agreed on.
Winning the MVP and the NBA championship. Does that attribute to overall greats? What's the argument going to be in 10 years if he doesn't win a scoring title? Rebounding title? What if he isn't all NBA for several years? What if he doesn't ever win another ring for another 7 years? You all be putting people on pedestals and getting a little too into throwing around playground insults based on your surface level research.
My entire point is that it takes a lot to compete with greatness ans everyone's team or players can be assigned some kind of negative or clarification that makes a lot of rings or accomplishments become trivial based on team play, market and the type of player they are, Jokic hasn't finished his career .. I'd say pump the breaks on the nuggets based on one championship
Rob makes a very good point. cheers
1987-1988 Michael Jordan I'm no way, shape, or form had an all star playing with him for his 1st MVP... smh
When Rob uses baseball as a reference...I tune out!
You're a child
Shaq just jealous jokic won 🏆 three mvp and he won only one time
Yea Shaq gets reallll jealous when his “most dominant “ monicker gets threatened
Shaq has more finals MVPs and chip
@@morgan2552tShaq played with Kobe, Wade etc, give Jokic at least half of the help Shaq had and he wins 6
Well many said that he did get robbed back then.
robbed players for every mvp (giannis embiid shai)
Ahsmwm
Mj won the 1988 MVP. At that point, who on his team made an allstar appearance?
Wait, Broussard is a voter? No way! 😂
STOPPP ITTTTT
Shaq never got Robbed he made only One 3 pointer in his career
Rob Parker is wrong the first year Steve Nash won the MVP he had 65 votes Shaq only had 34 for first place so there's no way Shaq and Kobe was splitting votes if Nash had 65 first place votes
“Splitting votes” is a figure of speech. It means that the reason for each one being disqualified is often the other one. Especially when there is place voting.
@@blakeharris58 you don't understand the splitting the vote is an actual thing if Nash was to get 40 first place votes and Shaq got 30 first place votes and Kobe received 30 first place votes that is what is actually splitting the vote the Nash received 80 second place votes Shaq gets 10 second place votes and Kobe receive 10 second place votes and put anybody in the third place voting space and they get all 100 Third Place votes that was still make Steve Nash the winner of the MVP trophy that's how splitting the vote happens but that is not what happened Steve Nash received 65 of the first place votes so there was no splitting of the vote there are not enough votes combined for Shaq or Kobe to have overtaken Nash in first place votes so no sir splitting the vote is not a figure of speech it's an actual thing
Being the only MVP to win a title is unquestionably a great accomplishment but when you consider the caliber of teams Jokic and the Nuggets played in the post season and the player's he battled individually it's really not that monumental. If I had to choose between Jokic's post season last year or " the dreams" post season is 94 I'm taking Dream.
People making fun of Shaq but he’s right, no way Steve Nash has 2 MVPs and Shaq only has 1 as a top 10 All-Time player and Nash isn’t even top 25.
Shaq and Lebron have been hurt bc during certain seasons, they would coast during the regular season - waiting to turn it on in the playoffs.
They topic about shaq LeBron rent free in your head
@@JACQUEZJOHNSON23 The topic is deserved Mvp's. It's relevant b/c it's not about the best player if the best player has coasted or taken part of the season easy to prepare for the playoffs. Both Shaq and Lebron were the best players but would take parts of seasons off and then ramp up for the playoffs.
This guy said Otis Thorpe 😂😂😂😂😂
Shaq did deserve more,however joker is the baddest dude in the nba right now like it or not....and should have 4 mvps!!
The backlash is so weird.
In what way was SGA was robbed???
He was, in no way, the obvious choice.
He was a viable choice. SGA had a solid argument.
But he wasn’t the obvious best player.
Jokic tore up the NBA last year and was snubbed.
SGA needs to make an impact in the playoffs and that will set him up for an MVP vote.
shai had the more historic season period . they just bias voting for the last year mvp that’s not fair , players get robbed that way . jokic was robbed once , and he robbed every mvp he had (giannis embiid shai) not as good as his resume say he finna get 🧹 swept , can’t carry like prime bron
Because some black players like to gate keep basketball from white players, pay attention it happens all the time 😂
Best and MVP is to different things 🤦♂️
white media say the mvp aint a playoff award wen yoke got swepp... yoke perform inda playoffs an its his award to lose
media said its about the best playa onda best team wen yoke won his 2nd mvp... moved the goal post the year befoe... media used to always say the mvp aint about who's the best player until the best player was white
Thats not at all what Shaq meant. He was talking about Jokic winning his third award not past history. Totally wrong take on what was said.
What’s wrong with jokic winning it for the 3rd time,
Mvp is not a feel good award where you share it around, you vote for who you truly feel is your subjective mvp and of 131 voters select nikola jokic I guess that’s just how the cookie crumbles
It’s a joke to think that Jamal Murray isn’t an all star … they acting out here like Jokic is doing it all himself. Murray is top 5 clutch in the league
I say this in IMO, use On/Off Court Rating as a team stat, and then use VORP for individual stat. Then put that player on the top 10 teams, and see how these stats change per team. If the teams Win/Off rating chnages up or down, then measure the change. That change can be plotted and see who has the most impact on each team, that will then be your MVP, objectively. No need to put feelings or history.
Yea Jokic is really good - he isn’t a 3x MVP. He HAS to win another title to justify this. This is making the game about stats toooooo much.
He shoulda won last year so yes he’s a 3x MVP, should be a three peat too 😭
Not just stats, offensive stats only
Dude, the MVP is regular season. It has nothing to do with the Finals. Thats why you have a FMVP .
Umm.. no. Nice try though.
So Jokic has to win more finals to win MVP when the other guys who finished in the top 3 haven't won any finals?
It was way more context to that conversation than what everyone is reacting to. He didn’t say nothing wrong. He even congratulated Jokic within his argument. Y’all just trying to protect your right to vote for as long as you can. The system is extremely flawed. He stated that and his reason for feeling like SGA got robbed. He just used his robbery as an example. If it wasn’t him and instead a writer or someone other than him, it wouldn’t even be an issue.
Who wants to accept a backhanded award. Would you want to accept an award and have the presenter say in front of everyone, how somebody else deserved the award over you, as they hand you the award? Bout as backhanded as it gets. Kanye showed how cool it was to take shine away from somebody and make it about yourself
@@Stretch79 fair, but how does any of that affect Jokic or change how he feels about the award. These comment are coming from someone who doesn’t even vote and they’re are well after he has won and accepted the award. That was an announcement followed by comments and opinions from 1 human being. At most, they were presenting us as views with whom won the award. So none of that even holds up in this scenario. Now if you bust your axx all season to get voted the winner by 100 ppl why would you care that the person handing you the award disagrees.
@HemiNeutron It was tacky and out of place for an award is what it was. That's my point. You announce the award, say congratulations, let the winner say some words and then go on with the show from there. You think Shaq would have said that to ANT, JT, Luka, or anybody else other than Jokic? Just tacky and distasteful to hand out an award and tell them that somebody else deserved it instead
@@Stretch79 you forgot to add in your opinion. The fact that Ernie is the host, and shaq chuck n Kenny are literally there to give there opinion and analysis. I think it’s tacky and out of place when you’re being opinionated about ppl and their jobs when no one pays you for your judgement nor opinion. Half the things said on any sports show these days are done and said solely to create a conversation and to keep the subject matter floating well after. Views on television and clicks on the web. Get with the program. This is entertainment, rather or not you agree.
And seeing as though you didn’t name the one person that he felt got robbed, yes I do think it would’ve been the same for any of them. It’s not about race this time joker. He felt the person he thought should’ve won was robbed. Now I do agree he needs to stop interjecting himself and his shortcomings so often though. He even said Jokic was the best big man in the league.
maybe a most sour-grapes award is in order
Jokic has Jamal Murray who is an elite playoff performer with multiple 50 pieces in the playoffs. Who is the all nba caliber playoff performer running with SGA? I mean, what are we talking about here? MVP award is flawed and narrative based.
The culture can’t accept that foreign players have taken over the league they thought it wouldn’t be possible if Tatum or Ant or Zion/Ja don’t come through this moaning is gonna be the norm
However, Shai is also "foreign." Perhaps he looks and sounds less so, so people forget.
@@jdankerdake lesser of 2 evils in there eyes
SGAi isn't American...
@@Cahluvca he’s at least from Canada it’s great value USA iykyk
Change "foreign" to WHITE and you'll be on the money. Embiid is foreign. SGA is foreign. Giannis is foreign. Wemby is foreign. Gobert is foreign. Do they get anywhere near the hate that Jokic and Luka get? Most of the people hating on Jokic right now were CAMPAIGNING for Embiid the past two years and are campaigning for SGA this year. Neither of them is American born or raised.
That xenophobia angle isn't gonna cut it anymore. Caitlin Clark has gotten more hate than anyone in basketball over the past couple years. Is SHE foreign?
I can understand Rob's argument. But then, how does Murray not cancel out Joker? Just bc the media doesn't vote him as an All Star, he still plays, scores, and affects winning like an All Star. Especially in the playoffs. Plus, without Murray the Nuggets are a first round team. We've seen it.
He’s missed a lot of games from injuries during the season and has never made an all star game.
You're comparing Murray to KOBE BRYANT?? 🤣 Yep, this is the dumbest comment I've seen on the internet today. Congrats.
Murray isn't an all-star. He's NEVER been an all-star. Stop trying to pretend he's an all-star just so you can downgrade Jokic's legacy by claiming he's had more help than he's actually had. We know what you're doing with that crap.
The problem is every year the criteria shifts
The context is important
Jamal Murray is at worst an all star.. easily one of the best closers in the game today.. and Aaron Gordon lead a franchise for years in Orlando. STOP PRETENDING Jokic does have Co-Stars
Pretty Good players but after that they don't have a team. It's only 3 guys and everyone else is a below average NBA player. Denver doesn't have a good team. Jokic had to average 31-13-10 on 60% to barely win last season. Murray had 21-9
Jamal Murray is too inconsistent to be an all star
Even against the laker series if you isolate the 4th quarters he’s been ass
They aren't All-Stars. SMH
People calling it jealousy but i doubt that Shaq has zero reason to be jealous of Jokic. I think SGA was the right pick.
He might since they keep calling Joker the greatest center of all-time....
Jokic with 1 more title passes shaq alltime, hes jealous. 3mvps to 1 2 fmvps to 3fmvps but he had kobe vs jamal murray
@@xavierb9061 lmfaooooo in what world would Jokic ever be better than SHAQ if he wins 1 more title lol. You must not have been better the watch the diesel. Comments like these is why he gets pissed off.
@@eazyscottie could Shaq pass or run an offense like a PG 🤔
@@isaiahh4108 having better PG skills doesn’t automatically make you better what are you talking about. There’s a reason Joker only has 1 ring
Nash won his mvp's after Kobe & Shaq split.
Chris you kinda exposed yourself because you said you give a boost to guys who don't have any all star caliber players on their team and SGA checks all those boxes but you had him second.
Jokic is already there with Moses Malone (NBA Champ - '83 Sixers), Bird (3X NBA Champ - '81, '84, & '86 Celtics), and Magic (5X NBA Champ - '80, '82, '85, '87, &'88 Lakers) with winning at least three NBA MVP's. The only way Joker can legitimize that MVP is to win another NBA Finals!
Why? No one's won MVP and the Finals in the same season since Curry in 2015.
Umm, you just said Moses only won once. So he's illegitimate?