Finding the ROOTS of Homosexuality w/ Kim Zember
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Lila Rose and Kim Zember discuss where the roots of homosexuality may be for some individuals.
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Debate Destiny again without Kristan. That whole conversation made you look bad because of her.
the enemy has a target on Lila Rose because of her large exposure to reach many people, so we should all pray before engaging with those people, like destiny, who is a professional debater and very skilled at disabling any opponent and uses every tactic to throw you off the point and issue. Stay focused on the issues of Jesus, especially pro-life and sexual identity and behaviors that go against Jesus and His commands.
She did that on her own. She did really poorly
@@ExtremePacifist well if she’s right she shouldn’t be scared. Destiny was far better faith than either of them. Lila was much better than Kristen and I think that sitting down without Kristen would have been a billion times better.
But either way Destiny seemed to come to the table in better faith. I know it’s hard to see that when you don’t agree with him, but it is true.
@@ExtremePacifist lastly Jesus doesn’t have to be relevant. If you want to reach the other side, god and Jesus will not work. You have to use logic starting from their point of view.
For example, Kristen’s analogy when she asked Destiny what he would do if he died and went to heaven (or hell) and found out he was wrong. That line of questioning doesn’t go anywhere because he can easily say the same thing to her.
@@popermen694 my point is destiny was able to frame and border the perimeters of the debate and Lila and Kristan should have recognized this and moved the debate back to the original core issue. Destiny knows how to win debates and the reality and truth of any issue is secondary to winning. But even the pro life movement being led by Lila and Kristan seems to have shifted into winning debates and raising money to go make more speeches and engage in endless discussion where neither side will change their positions. Those in power need this endless discussion to continue their agendas. As long as we talk about this issue and other issues, they don’t have to deal with the masses when we stop talking. The kick the can down the road and their satanic game continues, that is all they need. For all of us to argue with each other but not to cause any real change.
Everyone of us knows reading this that we cannot change our sexuality.
So sad to see some peoples hate and prejudice brainwash innocent people to believe they are evil, simply for loving another human being.😢
After 21 years of marriage struggling to be a heterosexual, he realizes it does not work.
"I know that countless people were harmed by things I said and did in the past, " Paulk wrote. "I am truly, truly sorry for the pain I have caused. For 25 years I felt guilty and filled with self-loathing, trying to reject this part about myself. I'm culpable-I spread the message that my sexuality had changed, and I used my marriage as proof of that.”
From a good friend of mine. Heartfelt revelation. Very sad in what he had to go through.
“I call them clobber verses. There are six of them. They’re the verses that get used to hammer gay people. The funny thing is that I never felt pressured by God himself. Only his followers. But I desperately wanted God to change me. I didn’t want to be part of a group with so much shame attached to it. So I started praying in my twenties for God to make me straight. If I could have taken a pill, I would have. I joined the ministry. I got married. I told my wife that I’d had experiences with men, but I convinced both of us that I could choose to be different. I wanted to be normal. I wanted kids. I thought it was just a matter of commitment. I even tried to take reparative therapy classes-just to show her I was serious. They tried to teach me that homosexuality wasn’t real. They said that I'd just had an overbearing mother. But I couldn’t change. I kept slipping up. I couldn’t give my wife what she needed. My marriage ended. I had tried so hard but nothing worked. I got so angry with God for not keeping up his end of the bargain. But after some time, I finally realized why he wouldn’t change me. He never felt like he needed to.”
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She knew going into the marriage that he was gay but sadly after nine years of marriage and two children they realized they couldn't "pray away the gay".
This is the pain and suffering it causes innocent people when LGBT people are pushed into trying to conform to society's wishes, instead of following their own hearts. Pushing people to be in relationships they weren't meant to be in is wrong.
Jesus created every single person with a desire to get married with someone of the opposite sex. I also believe early childhood experiences and exposures, can cause one to grow up and have desires and attractions to certain types of people, male or female. Jesus does not make mistakes. Jesus said in Genesis, God created them male and female, and two shall become one flesh in marriage and be fruitful and multiply.
Every lgbt person knows it isn't the correct lifestyle. They choose to continue being active in the sin. Just like a cheater continues to cheat on their spouse. A thief continues to steal, etc. We've been given free will. We can stop participating in our own wrongdoings. God chose our sexuality for us when he made us male and female, to become one under Him through marriage and reproduction. Of course homosexuality is real, and it isn't right. Murder, rape and abortion are real also; neither of those are right either. Therefore they shouldn't be done by anyone. As we have seen more of over the spanning years, when people follow their own hearts, their own lusts, sins and agendas; they are actually conforming to society's wishes. Society has them right where it wants them, in it's destructive clutches. Following tainted hearts of a tainted society. God's heart is the one we should follow, it leads to much better results than we have now.
@@ExtremePacifisti grew up in a religious country with no exposure to homosexuality whatsoever nor was i ever abused how come i still am 🤔🤔
@@chokeonad we all have early life expiriences that form our personalities and cause our behaviours. Many early childhood expiriences are traumatic, and those memories are buried deep within our subconscious minds. Only through prayer and willingness to bring those memories up so we may become aware of them, and then pray to Jesus to heal us from those traumatic events and memories, through the Holy Spirit working in our lives, can we understand somewhat why we believe and feel and think and act the way we do. We should always pray the Holy Spirit to guide us and help us though all of our past traumas and pains. In the mighty name of Jesus we pray; Amen, Hallelujah, Peace, and Maranatha.
@@chokeonadGenerational curses, captivity, etc. There are tons of reasons you are gay. There is always deliverance though
Attraction is not lust.
Genuine question Lila, was it harder dealing with Destiny or trying to prop up an unprepared moron on the whatever podcast?
I don't think you're an idiot it just seems hard to not appear as one when you're sitting next to someone that thinks 'False hypothetical' is a sensible thing to say.
the enemy has a target on Lila Rose because of her large exposure to reach many people, so we should all pray before engaging with those people, like destiny, who is a professional debater and very skilled at disabling any opponent and uses every tactic to throw you off the point and issue. Stay focused on the issues of Jesus, especially pro-life and sexual identity and behaviors that go against Jesus and His commands.
@@ExtremePacifist nah
*_"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."_*
*(1 Corinthians 6:9-20)*
If you’re gonna do debates you have to know how to engage in hypotheticals, the point of an extreme hypothetical is to test for consistency. You can’t not engage with a hypothetical because “it’s unrealistic”, that doesn’t make any sense. One of the biggest tests for intellect is the ability to engage in hypotheticals
Thank you
Except for the extreme hypotheticals are the worst comparisons you can make. They dont make much sense in the real world.
@@mason4966 that doesn’t make any sense, something being extreme is better for testing consistency, you’re comparing the logic and reasoning, not the thing itself, it doesn’t matter if a hypothetical involves aliens
This is a brave conversation in today’s world, but so sorely needed. Thank you for having courage to share your testimony and explore this topic!
What there’s literally a new video everyday 😂 it’s not brave it makes a lot of money daily wire Steven crown Matt Walsh Blair white this conversation is a cash cow 😂
If that’s courage I’m William Wallace. What a low IQ take.
Nope
If it's such a "brave conversation" then why are there hundreds and hundreds of videos on RUclips talking about this exact same "subject"?
A new dimension of viewing love " receiving and giving. No give & take in love"
A person can easily say that you are disordered for believing in the unseen and letting the unseen dictate your moral compass. How do we deal with this disorder? You use shitty language to describe same sex attracted persons and frame it to be some sort of aberration amongst humanity. I hope people judge you as passively as you judge others.
Also you REALLY sucked on the whatever podcast. Painful to listen to and watch.
I'm a Catholic heterosexual woman and the title of this video makes me sick. Are we going backwards?! There are plenty of gay people who are not into the insanity of the current LGBTQ, in fact, there are many who want to drop the TQ+. I liked this channel at first because of the Chloe Cole interview but I'm unsubscribing.
So you're okay with people being gay but not being trans? Slandering trans people is as bad as slandering gay people. Also, it is a sin to be gay according to religious doctrine.
@@mossy700 Slandering tq+ more is better slandering lgb people, gay people should stay away in any religions especially abrahamic and be an atheist and agnotheist instead, I only support their civil rights but they should respect religious rights
Seeing you in past shows I always thought you very intelligent and tended to bring in a new needed energy into a conversation. That “debate” you did with destiny was a disservice to yourself and the pro life argument. If you look at the comments you’ll find you pushed a lot of pro life supporters towards the other side. That was probably one of the worse cases of arguing in bad faith that I’ve ever witness. After everything settles down I hope you take in the criticism and adjust.
Freud is not the father of sexology
I see the sadness in her eyes.
A lot of homosexuals have never experienced love and oftentimes it’s a consequence to internalizing the expectations they will NEVER be able to meet as men or woman.
There’s a lot of confusion in that community both people with trauma prompting them to pursue same-sex relationships and then people who simply come out that way.
People with ZERO support systems and no other reference than archetypes with respect to their livid experience.
I imagine she sought community from the LGBT cult for that reason and seeing that they DON’T have your best interest in mind. It makes sense she would forfeit her “desires” for an ethereal purpose, because that purpose will always be there.
Unconditional love
I just hope she found what she’s looking for whether it be community or a greater purpose and she has attained the ability to be a formidable woman in our society.
What is the difference between a cult and a religion?
No such thing as unconditional love.
no such thing as homosexual humans. Jesus does not make mistakes.
Does God Cause or allow Sexual Immorality in Romans 1:21-27
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:21-27
Do you think these verses mean God allows some to become sexually immoral, or that because people act and think sexually immoral lifestyles, God allows Satan to take control of their lives? I think Jesus created every single person with a desire to get married with someone of the opposite sex. I also believe early childhood experiences and exposures, can cause one to grow up and have desires and attractions to certain types of people, male or female. Jesus does not make mistakes. Jesus said in Genesis, God created them male and female, and two shall become one flesh in marriage and be fruitful and multiply.
@@ExtremePacifist to me Jesus is a man, i studied human/animal behavior for 8 years. some people come out that way, not because of a gene, but more of a glitch. Some people are traumatized into being that way.
The only reason to question this consequence to humanity is religion, and since I’m not religious I can honestly say we don’t live in the same world nor interpret it the same.
The new world is nuanced, I’d rather not create more villains in society who think they have a reason to groom children because of my inability to live and let live.
Uhmmmnm im gay and I was born with it it’s not something you develop … I clearly remember being as old as I can remember being attracted to the male models rather than females on underwear ads
Some people develop it but person can also have it as a genetic "glitch".
Don't even listen to this garbage.
Jesus doesn't make mistakes. your thoughts and emotions and words and actions are not who you are.
@@ReasonAboveEverythingi call it more of an instinctual anomaly
It’s your sin and God allows us to either be in our sun or get away from our sin and except Jesus in our heart and our lives. You choose your sin and the devil has convinced you that it’s ok. Today course to you I sound like I’m crazy I don’t blame you but this is the truth and it was written long Before us
Does God Cause or allow Sexual Immorality in Romans 1:21-27
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:21-27
Do you think these verses mean God allows some to become sexually immoral, or that because people act and think sexually immoral lifestyles, God allows Satan to take control of their lives? I think Jesus created every single person with a desire to get married with someone of the opposite sex. I also believe early childhood experiences and exposures, can cause one to grow up and have desires and attractions to certain types of people, male or female. Jesus does not make mistakes. Jesus said in Genesis, God created them male and female, and two shall become one flesh in marriage and be fruitful and multiply.
we all have early life expiriences that form our personalities and cause our behaviours. Many early childhood expiriences are traumatic, and those memories are buried deep within our subconscious minds. Only through prayer and willingness to bring those memories up so we may become aware of them, and then pray to Jesus to heal us from those traumatic events and memories, through the Holy Spirit working in our lives, can we understand somewhat why we believe and feel and think and act the way we do. We should always pray the Holy Spirit to guide us and help us though all of our past traumas and pains. In the mighty name of Jesus we pray; Amen, Hallelujah, Peace, and Maranatha.
It is biological somehow. But it is their duty to not act on it the same way someone with murderous thoughts should not act on that. GOD gives everyone a set of challenges to see if they will fight their way through them and not succumb to the urges.
God is not real. You can't even prove him. So why should anyone alter their lives in such a fundamental level over a fairytale you are fond of?
@@mason4966 Of course you can prove him. Lol. Are you that inept in your mind that you cannot?
Dr. Frank Turek.... youtube him vs any aethiest
@@mason4966 Oh yeah.... and love is not real. I cannot feel it. Or see it. So it is fake. Made up. A faith based feeling. Anyone who says otherwise, is a looney just like us GOD faithers.
Funny how that works eh? People will blindly accept one thing but reject another. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I mean, you just can't make up this kind of doltyness in the world.
Homosexuality is NOT biological. It's a spiritual problem.
@@mason4966So I take it you are a child of darkness and live for Satan? It's either one or the other Mason. If you watch porn, you are a child of the dark. If you masturbate and lust, you are a child of the dark. If you are prideful and disrespectful, you are a child of the dark. Every human is either in God's camp or Satan's camp. There is no neutral territory my friend.
Great conversation Lila, really loving your podcast!
Thanks so much for listening!
Lila I think you did a decent job trying to have a discussion with destiny about abortion, is it possible you get a different debate partner than kristan? She unfortunately made you guys look embarrassingly bad and meek and desperate to attack destiny instead of his arguments effectively. You guys lost the debate like an hour into the podcast because of her.
the enemy has a target on Lila Rose because of her large exposure to reach many people, so we should all pray before engaging with those people, like destiny, who is a professional debater and very skilled at disabling any opponent and uses every tactic to throw you off the point and issue. Stay focused on the issues of Jesus, especially pro-life and sexual identity and behaviors that go against Jesus and His commands.
@@ExtremePacifist I respect your belief and faith in god, but I personally don't have that. I think if we want Lila to at least be able to express her ideas and goals and at least let others critically consider if they agree with her beliefs and morals, it would be best if she can express them with discussion/debate partners who don't devolve into name calling and attack the opposition. Destiny never really attacked Lila's character, he criticized her beliefs and morals (which is the point of the debate) and she criticized his. the problem came when Kristen felt a certain way all of a sudden because Destiny criticized her arguments and when she lacked a proper response, instead of conceding she was lacking in that talking point or properly disputing it, she attacked Destiny's person. simply put, calling someone a misogynist for discussing ideas with you and you disagreeing makes everyone whos conflicted stop considering your arguments. you lose the debate there for so too many people.
@@LDRTrejo i agree, when debating an issue, one should respond with relevant and concise opinions and not resort to name calling and not lose control of one's emotions. I have watched Destiny many times, and he knows how to engage with others and how to win the debate. There is nothing wrong with that, but it seems as if that is the goal, where as i see the goal as presenting one's opinion surrounded by provable and factual data and conjecture. If you are not a Christian, or do not believe in God, are you pro life or pro abortion? On a side note, even though i support both Lila and Kristan and all they and their groups do, after all of these years, even with the two supreme court changes, they seem to be on a talking and debating tour, preaching to the choir, and not converting those on the other side, and they have to constantly raise money to keep talking, like playing kick the can, as long as they talk, we pro lifers think we are wining. That is what some in power, on both sides, want. Peace to you.
Christians should research and read these two Christian counselors who are getting banned on all media outlets.
Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, Jr. is the founder of the Reintegrative Therapy Association.
Andrew Rodriguez is a licensed professional counselor in Pennsylvania. He's the director of Integrity Christian Counseling and the creator of the RUclips channel PsychoBible, in which he discusses psychology, theology, and sexuality. He's a certified Reintegrative Therapist.
Conversion therapy is weird. Taking a therapist seriously even when they have a clear inability to separate one's religion from psychology is quite wild. Not to mention that you can't explain why homosexuality is immoral beyond "because god said so"
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we all have early life expiriences that form our personalities and cause our behaviours. Many early childhood expiriences are traumatic, and those memories are buried deep within our subconscious minds. Only through prayer and willingness to bring those memories up so we may become aware of them, and then pray to Jesus to heal us from those traumatic events and memories, through the Holy Spirit working in our lives, can we understand somewhat why we believe and feel and think and act the way we do. We should always pray the Holy Spirit to guide us and help us though all of our past traumas and pains. In the mighty name of Jesus we pray; Amen, Hallelujah, Peace, and Maranatha.
I doubt that
Enjoyed your debate with Destiny, but that woman next to you made me want to pull all my hair out.
For the people in the comment section, why do you feel you have worship the demon of homosexuality?
Because demons are awesome and Jesus isn't real.
@@mason4966 God help you, child. You know not of what you speak.
@@petrichor5294 There is no such thing as demons.
@@mason4966 Then why did you call them awesome?
@@petrichor5294 Because they Not real
I found you from the dating podcast. They can be douches and you sorted one of them out 👍
Sorted out? Not even close.
God has made same sex attraction in all animals. Stop trying to assert there’s blame for why a person is gay. Have you ever considered that God makes you what you were meant to be and perhaps this isn’t an abomination, but a gift to teach people love comes in many shapes and forms. Alone, it isn’t a problem when two men or women love each other, it’s the perception of others and their judgement that creates the issue. Jesus brought together all people, especially those who were shunned by society - why should this be any different?
God also made cannibalism and rape in many animals.
This is a horrific misunderstanding of what natural law is, and how it applies to humans. It is abominable because it destroys the human form
In all honesty, no hate no judgment at all! You can’t say anything when you have never read the Bible because everything you said “same sex attraction in animals” god made us this way” all that has no ground to stand on when you’ve read the Bible. Because the Bible is Gods word it’s what God said. So respectfully you’re wrong (even tho to you it sounds good and could be right and hold truth) it actually doesn’t according to God . That’s what you need to understand it’s Gods word not Christians we didn’t come up with this it’s Gods word
Also your perception of what Jesus did is not true at all.
The Bible has had MANY iterations over time by various denominations and their particular spin. Entire books that could be considered part of the Bible were left out because some religious leaders did not feel they matched their vision of what the Bible was or what it should be; therefore perhaps augmenting God’s message. Add to that the Bible can be taken literally or figuratively. As life lesson, example, or fable. Thus your interpretation doesn’t match my own.
@@danib712The bible is mans interpretation of Gods word and should be taken with a grain of salt
Homosexuality is not bad. Stop being so bigoted
It is. God said so and that’s what we follow, Gods word . Understand that you will never understand because you choose to be of the world .
@@danib712 How do you know what God said? Have you ever seen him talk in person???? 😂
I’m gay, I thought it was an interesting discussion - I obviously don’t agree but they have every right to their opinion. Stay mad bro.
awful job defending the pro-life argument against destiny lila
Man cannot allow anyone else to speak.
Woman cannot hold her ground.
An incredibly toxic debate was spawned.
Destiny had no arguments he looked very silly and resorted to his usual tactics of shifting the focus, rambling on forever about nonsense, and giving hypotheticals that make absolutely no sense
@@user-ui4cu6fy4i Destiny had no arguments because he wasn't allowed to make them.
@@aaronborgstrom2696 the arguments he did give made no sense
Im a destiny fan but he was all over the place. Lila preformed well
Lila you are a very beautiful and respectable women i am glad that you are a great lead example of what a women should strive towards
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@mason4966 🤨🤨🤨😅😂
you are so pretty, im in love with you. just wanted to get that out haha
I'd rather have woman the right to cut-off life in the womb early than you continuously cutting off Destiny....
what
Ewww physcopath.
You on the @whatever pro-life podcast was gross
Pro-Abortion
You believe in killing people who are not developed enough for you for your own sake?
She schooled that blue haired idiot. Pro abortion is purely a coping stance, not a logical stance
The moment destiny lost was when he said " whatever helps me win the debate" this goes to show he was highly unprepared and clearly did not know how to defend his position