BETTER THAN CHAINS? | AutoSock HANDS ON REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- At Bison Transport, our Drivers are testing out the latest in technologies to help make their jobs easier. Roger, a Company Driver and member of Bison’s Driver’s Advisory Board, has recently been testing the AutoSock, a traction control device alternative to replace tire chains.
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I spent quite a few shifts at Bison back in the 80s and I was always amazed at the professionalism to which they adhered. Mostly, I remember being treated with respect. Sadly, it was one of the very few companies that I could call a professional trucking company. No wonder they have done so well. Hat's off to them, it is well deserved.
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I SEE IT DIFFERENTLY AND MAYBE U WEREN'T NOT LONG ENOUGH WITH THEM OR RAN AROUND WITH CLOSED EYES WHILE ON SHIFT. NO INSULT. THOUGH THE TRAINING PROGRAM WITH BISON WAS OK. BUT AS SOON AS I WALKED IN THE VERY FIRST TIME INTO THEIR BUILDING I KNEW SOMETHING IS OFF WITH THEM. JUST A FEELING , WHICH LATER WAS CONFIRMED. ALL SHOW. ONE HAS TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE. U R ONLY A NUMBER THERE AS USUAL WITH THESE BIG FLEETS. THE SAFETY BOSS AT THAT TIME WAS A BIG LIER ACCUSING AND YELLING AT PEOPLE TO HAVE DONE SOMETHING WHICH THEY DID NOT DESPITE HAVING HAD WITNESSES. GARTH PITZEL AT THE TIME WAS A WEIRD GUY WHO COULD NOT LOOK U IN THE EYE WHEN HE TALKED TO SOMEONE. WITH THE NEW OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT TODAY. BUT AT THAT TIME I TALKED TO VARIOUS PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE, IN THE SHOP AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS . THEY ALL HAD SIMILAR OPINIONS, THAT THE WORK ENVIRONMENT WAS VERY POISONED AND LOTS OF SHOW AND INTERNAL "FIGHTS", ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THE FEMALE EMPLOYEES GOING ON, IN ORDER WHO IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL, INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE JOB. OTHERS WERE SLEEPING WHILE ON THE JOB IN THEIR OFFICES. THEN I QUITE OFTEN COULD OBSERVE THAT WHEN TURNPIKES CAME IN AND DRIVERS HAD TO SEPARATE TRAILERS, THEY NEEDED A HAMMER AND OTHER TOOLS TO LITERALLY SLAM AROUND THE DOLLIES IN ORDER TO GET THE JOB DONE. IN ADDITION TO THIS VERY OFTEN REGULAR TRUCKS FROM THE DRIVERS WHO JUST HAD THEM CLEANED AND PARKED FOR RESET, WERE INTENTIONALLY USED AS TRAINING VEHICLE JUST TO AGGREVATE THE DRIVER FOR NO REASON AND DESPITE HAVING HAD MULTIPLE OTHER TRUCKS FOR TRAINING PURPOSES ONLY. THE SHOP FREQUENTLY WAS UNDERSTUFFED AND WHEN ONE THING WAS FIXED TWO OTHERS WERE BROKEN AND ONE SOMETIMES HAD TO SIT FOR HOURS OR THE NEXT DAY DESPITE HAVING BEEN PLANNED OUT ON TIME. SO EQUIPMENT ONLY IS AS GOOD AS A COMPANY TREATS IT ITSELF (SHOP) AND HANDLES MAINTENACE. THAT WAS ON THE LOW SIDE WITH BISON AT THE TIME. A COMPANY WHO GETS SUED BECAUSE THEY SEND OUT A ROOKIE DRIVER WITH NO EXPERIENCE INTO THE ROCKIES IN THE WINTER AND THIS DRIVER THEN LOOSES HIS LIFE IS NOT A SAFE COMPANY. WHERE IS THE SAFETY HERE?NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THESE THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO BISON TRANSPORT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH THEY PAY EACH TIME IN ORDER TO WIN THE SAFETY AWARD SO OFTEN IN A ROW. BISON IS AS SAFE AS A DEER ON A TWO LANE HIGHWAY. AT LEAST BACK THEN. WHY IS IT THEN THAT SO MANY DRIVERS LEAVE AS SOON AS THEY HAVE THEIR CDL? ALL OTHERS ARE MOSTLY YEAH SAYERS WITH THEIR TAIL BETWEEN THE LEGS. BUT THANK GOD THERE ARE IN FACT A FEW COMPANIES OUT THERE WHO REALLY PUT THEIR WORDS WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS AND TREAT PEOPLE REALLY FAIR IN EVERY WAY , THAT INCLUDES HAVING A TRULY OPEN DOOR POLICY WITHOUT MAKING U FEEL BAD AS A DRIVER FOR NO REASON. JUST SAYING
Nice to hear That!
Used these on Snoqualmie Pass in WA. Put them on my drives, I was surprised how well they worked. Do not go more than 25 mph or they will start to shred. At the bottom I took them off and they were still in great shape and easy to put on and remove. I’ll use them again if needed.
That's what I'm looking at right now, same place. Thanks for your post
Tire chains are superior. They'll last 5 to 20 years depending on how much you use them, and they're easy to put on. And you can do all of them at once.
How to chain the easiest way:
1. Lay chains out so the outer hooks are facing toward the sky, and the cams face outside.
2. Throw chains over the tires. Hook the outside links.
3. Drive forward 2 to 4 feet.
4. Unhook the outside links. Hook the inner links as tight as you can get them.
5. With the cams loose, hook the outer links as tight as possible.
6. Tighten the cams.
7. Using bungies or spiders, hook the S hooks on the chains. Preferably between the cams.
8. Drive.
It's literally that simple. And after you've done it once or twice, it's easy. And the bungies/spiders will make sure the chains don't fall off.
@@MG-ks1qg and break your hands trying to reach the cams in the inside of the tire
@@MG-ks1qg and break your hands trying to reach the cams in the inside of the tire
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
This is the best alternative to chains. I have personally used the auto sock and highly recommend it. When I was using chains a Nite on the side of the interstate on top of Donner pass is sometimes any hour event. With the auto socks it took me 20 minutes. 👍 I gave them an A+
Where can you buy them?
C'mon it should take max 20 minutes to put a set of chains on
How is the Durability?
@@juanp1089 if you obey the speed limit and avoid dry pavement 15 20 uses
Anyway we can get an update on the durability?
I had these with a previous carrier... I gotta say these socks are amazing. I fell in love with them. I wish my current carrier would invest lol.
In regards to them wearing out on pavement; so what?
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
Last year chains kicked my ass. Just bought 3 pairs of these!!
Nicely spoken and very informative.
I love reading these comments on how fast people can chain up. Some people claiming like 5mins on triple rails.. I would sure like to see a video of that super trucker stuff lol.
I have seen a logger throw a set of triples in 5 minutes, 20 years of practice makes perfect.
A lot of the log truckers around here can toss them in 5 min. 10 for the whole set. All drivers and a steer. Log truck drivers toss them 3 times a day or more. Practice really makes perfect.
Ton of room to work on log trucks. No trailer over your driver's with four inches clearance to wedge them in.
Tripled go lots quicker if you can drop your trailer, but on some states that gets you a ticket. Cali comes to mind. And most places I chain I'd grind those to nothing. Too much road speed required to keep a lighter set behind a single screw climbing rather than spinning out. Also required to chain too far before snow pack starts.
@@blueyedmule Some of us have even less clearance. We have to get WAY under the vehicle to chain up, even though we're told we're not allowed. Damned if you do, I guess.
Need an updated video to see how they did "in the long run".
Yeah, looks like you may get one trip out of them before you have to replace them. I'll see how others fare with them first.
They bad easily to unhook from tires without you knowing
Don't waste your money. I bought a set of these shit-tastic socks November of 2019 off EBay. They were for a set of super singles. They were brand new I paid I think $360 for the two sets usually they would run about $450 for two sets. I figured they would be awesome since they go on quicker than chains and store easier and at the time drive to salt lake city every day and often took i70 due to 80 closures. Just before thanksgiving I came back i70 to Denver had to put them on for Vail pass luckily Eisenhower was clean because by the time I got from the chain up area at the 179mm eastbound side to the top which all of about 12 miles I had already lost both on my rear drive axle and front two were already starting to tear . I drove about 20mph the top speed is listed on the packaging at 30mph ... these are garbage . When they tested them in Colorado to get approval they did so in that DOT area at the top of the Eisenhower tunnel and it was all thick thick clean snow pack and all they did was pull test to see how much grip force they have b4 breaking traction this means they were basicly not even moving at a 5mph speed... real road use they just fall apart they make cheap cables look fantastic.
@@yerwrng I figured as much. Chains may suck to mess with, but very seldom have to replace them. Thanks for the info. Sorry you had to pay the cost to find out
@@yerwrng It sounds like your standards are quite high. Steel chains wouldn't have been destroyed by similar abuse?
Are they legal whee chains are required? I can see where they wold be good on ice but not sure about compact snow or heavy snow. Will wait for another video to see how they did. Thanks
I'm always missing one AutoSock after I go to the car wash.
Very funny 😁
Your wife put them in her car
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Colorado DOT tested these on Eisenhower mountain and they performed well. I believe CO approved them for use.
Loveland pass yes I believe they are required before a driver can come into the state that they have them on for the truck. Canmot cross the border without them.
These work Great with a Semi. Many facilities and truck stops do Not do a good job with plowing. They are perfect for maneuvering or driving below 25mph.
It is important to avoid driving on dry pavement and going to fast.
In regards to slowing way down to prevent them from wearing out;
If you compare the cost of these compared to the cost of chains, add to that the weight they had to the truck at a weigh station and the time spent putting them on taking them off they compare the cost of a chain breaking and hitting the the side of the vehicle and melting holes in the tires
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
Right On! Thanks
Nice video and a thumbs up for you. Happy Valentines.
Oh, now we need tire flip flops to go with tire dirty socks.
They work for about an hour, tops, before the cotton starts to rip... everywhere. This is on PURE snow, no pavement (at all) and no cinder/gravel. Whoever sells these must GO TO HELL. Salesman lied and told me it was like kevlar (I at least figured it would be better than cotton).
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Thanks for telling us the truth.
How fast were you driving? My company's policy is to never exceed 25mph on hard chains. If you were going faster than that, I think it's unfair to expect greater longevity from socks.
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The bastard said "kevlar" and I believed him (because it was soooooooo expensive). You know, like over a hundred dollars for a fucking cotton sock (in reality).
So, being the conservative "let's not go too fast" type of guy, I managed to get more than one use out of the pieces of shit. And still, I got ducked (you know).
And to answer your (very) long over due ?, no, I never go over 20-25 mph on ANY chains!
Just stupid to do so in any situation because the faster the speed, the faster the wear and tear (like duh)!
@@fireofenergy "The bastard said "kevlar" and I believed him."
You first said he claimed it was "like Kevlar." Now you're saying he said it WAS Kevlar. Which is it?
You sound like a consummate professional, all the swearing and such.
Please excuse my suspicion, but it seems like you've got an agenda, and your perspective seems... eschew.
Please correct my impression.
These are SPECIFICALLY designed to help you get to a safe spot to stop or get through snowy or icy roads for a short amount of time they aren't designed to be driven over bare pavement for long periods of time and 20mph top speed with these is the ideal speed, they do work, I've used them over mountain passes out west, they are worth their weight in gold IF YOU USE THEM THE RIGHT WAY THEY ARE MENT TO BE USED...if you need to use chains, then you shouldn't be on the road anyway and chains essentially are more for off-road applications or in a emergency situation just my opinion.
"if you need to use chains, then you shouldn't be on the road anyway" ~ AGREE! :)
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You sound like a moron.
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
Totally Agree!!!
In regards to slowing way down to prevent them from wearing out;
If you compare the cost of these compared to the cost of chains, add to that the weight they had to the truck at a weigh station and the time spent putting them on taking them off they compare the cost of a chain breaking and hitting the the side of the vehicle and melting holes in the tires
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
If you need to use chains then stay off the roads?!
You must not consider trucks out driving across country every day? Or people who live in always snowy climates..
Nice to see a big company testing these things out. Iv used mine for the last two seasons and absolutely love them! The very first time I had to put chains on was homestake pass in Montana and almost got run over by a 4 wheeler that lost control. I decided then I would never put chains on again. Instead of having to sit and wait for the roads to clear I bought auto socks and will never go back to throwing iron if I can avoid it. It takes less then 10 minutes to put these things on and you don't have to crawl around underneath your tires taking all your attention away from crazy 4 Wheeler's flying by. I can slip these things on wile keeping an eye on traffic!
The major draw back to these things is they are very expensive and they shred easily. When the guy in the video says you have to crawl he isn't joking. Even if your on snow or ice you still shouldn't be going more than 20 miles an hour and that's were I think you will have the biggest problems if you start handing these auto socks out company wide. A lot of company drivers from my experience don't care and are very hard on company equipment. Even with standard chains you aren't supposed to go more than 30 miles an hour I think but you still see those guys flying down the road and 50 or 60 MPH with there chains on.
Norwegian High-speed Highway Chains, certified for 85Km/h (53Mph), very light lugged chains, been using them for years
Thanks for commenting. It is interesting to see the different opinions. Many that haven't used them seem to think they are terrible, yet everyone that has used them has said they love them. They are not for every situation (not for heavy haul, Super B, etc.) but they seem great for what they were made for.
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I live in the south where snow isn't bad, and both chains and studs are illegal. The damage done to the roads by people driving too fast does not make up for the reduction in accidents, which is already minimal.
In regards to slowing way down to prevent them from wearing out;
If you compare the cost of these compared to the cost of chains, add to that the weight they had to the truck at a weigh station and the time spent putting them on taking them off they compare the cost of a chain breaking and hitting the the side of the vehicle and melting holes in the tires
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
Amazing!
I'm buying two pair this winter since last year was sold out. Really wish they were cheaper. I'll stick with my chains since I get paid by the hour and not CPM. I'm getting them as an emergency. In case my chains break and I can get home
Outstanding!!
AutoSock is my new favorite word.
Spent over $600 on a set of these a couple years ago. They worked well traction wise, but they were completely shredded after one use on snoqualmie pass. Holes everywhere..
I share the same exact story
Oh yeah, Snoqualmie pass. Still better than Steven's pass.
Probably going over 20 mph..
@Only In Olympia if your going to buy chains look into the PeWag brand they are made in Colorado, I have a set I ran on and they still look new, they go for about $250 per set about same price as the socks, I bought 3 sets of socks for this winter going to try them out haven’t had to use them yet. I run the Rocky Mountains I used to run snoqualmie and cabbage hill but my route changed right before winter came.
In regards to slowing way down to prevent them from wearing out;
If you compare the cost of these compared to the cost of chains, add to that the weight they had to the truck at a weigh station and the time spent putting them on taking them off they compare the cost of a chain breaking and hitting the the side of the vehicle and melting holes in the tires
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
These are amazing.
hello Rodger,have you done an update video on the snow socks,,,im very interested,wondering how they have done,or the life of the snowsock. my route is usually from Sacramento to Seattle or provo then back home.
They hold up just fine if you don't abuse them or run on bare pavement. Personally, I carry full chains in my truck now and autosocks are used when the conditions warrant. Like I said, they have their place, they are not for every situation or application.
Do you use winter tires with them
Have had a pair for my RWD car for a decade now, just enough to keep you moving on the slick stuff. Didn't know they made big ones, might have to get a set for the ol' bus.
Do get them!
Awesome invention!
In regards to slowing way down to prevent them from wearing out;
If you compare the cost of these compared to the cost of chains, add to that the weight they had to the truck at a weigh station and the time spent putting them on taking them off they compare the cost of a chain breaking and hitting the the side of the vehicle and melting holes in the tires
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
yeh, work better in powdery snow for sure.
Great vid. Do they have ones for passenger vehicles? 🤔 happy new year🎉🥳
Yes
i wonder if there is any debris on the road would it tear the socks? Also, I dont think its a long lasting stuff since its made of material, while chains are really durable, but yea, chains also pain in the ass to put on then take off just to put on again after some mile
Any updates in 2020? How are they holding up?
Am shock is that work good ? It's not slip while we drive?
Seems like a good idead but for me doing long haul up north so im worried about tje durabilty. But only time will tell and i hope to see they work good
probably not best for long periods of use. Maybe easier for a short run of a few miles, get past the worst, take them off. That's kinda the point: Easy on, easy off.
All these complainers are either resistant to new ideas, or used the tech inappropriately, perhaps as a substitute for chains. Maybe they abused them to confirm their prejudices. These are not chain replacements, and any reasonable driver would not presume that they are.
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In regards to slowing way down to prevent them from wearing out;
If you compare the cost of these compared to the cost of chains, add to that the weight they had to the truck at a weigh station and the time spent putting them on taking them off they compare the cost of a chain breaking and hitting the the side of the vehicle and melting holes in the tires
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
Will they work on super single tires
😲 you love the cold 🥶 dude
Thanks for this video. I just bought some cause I hate heavy chains.
Then get out of trucking because its part of the job.
Keep chains some states dot haven't accepted these socks. Chaining up is part of the job I mean it's the talent in the job bro
Does this work? I live in the US, and I'm a Trucker I’ve always been scared to drive up in Wyoming or North Dakota and even Colorado (that’s a chain state) in the winter times because of chaining up. I've never chained before and don't ever want to do it.
However, this looks so easy but I wonder if it does the job? I guess if it works in Canada it's gotta work in the US during the winter, huh?
Auto Socks were brand new just before I retired. I volunteered to try them for my company. They claimed they had a lot of money invested in chains and were not interested in untested technology. I explained the speed and ease with which they installed would encourage more drivers to be willing to use them rather than parking. My arguments fell on deaf ears.
I use easy sox thear great on donner pass love theam
Autosock for passenger cars available??
I would like to get some. I run the NW, alot easier than chains. The onlt downside is if you get on bare pavement or very little ice or snow, the socks are finished.
Is there a follow-up video on this product? Are you still using them? In places where we are required to use chains by law enforcement, will they accept the use of these as an alternative?
How do you get traction on the snow
Right now they’re disposable but they will make them tougher, looks like some great technology to me we’ll see what they look like in 10 years.
It’s been 5 years since this video was uploaded but my first time seeing it or even hearing of this product. What are your thoughts now?
AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH!!
THEY CAN CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THEM EVERY TIME I MAKE A NEW RUN
Is that mullet for real or is it attached to his toque?
Would they work on a propane truck?
how will they work on mud? is it the same performance than snow? I need snowchains for mud but this is a realy nice option!
We don't think they would work in that situation. If used in heavy-duty situations or off-road they would likely rip. Thanks for your question and for watching.
Easier is not always better. Stick with chains for the serious thick ice/snow. These "socks" are only good for light stuff.
Looks like good idea fore buses.
It's like wearing work shoes but instead you're wearing socks, and so the end result is you're still wearing socks LoL
Are they available in purple ? Asking for a friend 💋
LOL ......
Silly question. Is this 100% legal in nit picky chain states like Oregon?
Chains are still King. I saw one of the Bison trucks at 7 Mile in Golden BC spun out with his Auto socks on and was blocking Highway 1. I wouldn't recommend these for anything heavier than a passenger car
Dave B the are not legal in B.C.
Ok... but i have seen them in use in BC
Crawlers are king but unfortunately they can't be installed that easily LOL
You get caught spun out on the Coquihalla with these on you might have well blown by the chain up lights. Fines are rather large for blocking the highway.
@@prabhrandhawa2749 www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/driving-and-cycling/traveller-information/seasonal/winter-driving/about-winter-tires
I just got some and they were extremely hard to put on and take off, had to really yank on it.
Are these legal in the US?
Wow ...
Nice job easy work ...
Is the DOT approved
Which truckstop sale this one
And how much $$
Thanks for this video
Maher A I've seen them at Iowa 80 truckstop.
Maher A in B.C. no it is not legal
Several states have approved them in the US , have seen them at the Iowa 80, Joplin Petro and a few other big truck stops
I'd like to see these tested on super singles and I suspect that they would actually help make super singles a more preferable tire.
Used on Super Singles for a trucking company I worked for in the Great Lakes region where Lake Effect snow is a problem. When used correctly they work great. I used 12 times in one winter and they lasted into a second winter.
How do they grip ice and snow?...I just bought two pairs for my Super Singles.
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There is an easy and cheap ways to test the principle of the idea very simply. Many years ago I read about Otto socks and realized very quickly that they're talking but many little tiny points of pressure applied to the rubber and to the road. I thought it sounds like a microfiber cloth ought to work nice. I spun it like a frisbee out flat on the snow stomped on it put on my weight on that foot and tried to make it slip. I would have torn my ankle or my knee apart before that thing would give with my weight on it. Same principle applies to check semi-autos didn't make any difference if we do the vehicle transfers the thousands of millions of points of pressure to the tire em to the surface of the road with a pavement snow or ice it was great better than chains probably in most cases.
Heavy wet slippery snow = movie time in the bunk. 🤣
Fabric??? How long is it last ???
Had 2 sets of Auto Socks (including trailer) they are expensive $698 for 3 bags(purchased at Sapp Bros Salt Lake City, I loved the way they performed BUT they're not durable they will tear easily especially on dry & rough surfaces (like when maintenance crews dump salt that's mixed with gravel or slushy snow).
how you guys testing them on roads thru mountains in BC if they not legal in BC. BC requires chains from Oct 1 till Apr 30
Kootenai pass, North Idaho says hi.
Long term review, we've tested over 100 pairs as they all fell apart, that's the conclusion of the review.
Who's review, what conclusion? One obtuse sentence does not a thorough conclusion make.
""We' are some undefined group, maybe just my beer drinking buddies and me, have an opinion! And it's the best, and it's the rightest!"
Come on. Why should I trust your opinion, a declaration that is somehow both an incomplete and run-on sentence? Who are you? Where have you published your conclusions?
@@tananam9782 here you are agin
Have you ever had to work with them in windy conditions?
Are they legal for Colorado since they require actual snow chains?
Yes. There is a FAQ link above. Thanks for asking.
Is it DOT approved? I gotta know
Does anybody know if bison decided to go with these? I bought a set out of pocket because I’m tired of throwing chains. Also, my company makes us take them off after every trip. Just wondering what Mason thought of these before I present the idea to the owner of the company
In regards to slowing way down to prevent them from wearing out;
If you compare the cost of these compared to the cost of chains, add to that the weight they had to the truck at a weigh station and the time spent putting them on taking them off they compare the cost of a chain breaking and hitting the the side of the vehicle and melting holes in the tires
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
@@howtogetoutofbabylon8978 i bought a set and they work great!
Do they make these for super singles?
Yes.
We use gravel on the roads here. How do they hold up to abrasion?
Ordered a two pairs of these for my semi with 445 50 r22.5 singles. They arrived first week of November ...lol , well coming back into Denver from salt lake city 11/29/19 the chain law was in effect for vail pass E i70 mm 179-190 .I put them on and since I paid for these personally at about $400 I triple checked them stopping twice first 1 mile .They grabbed ok until a out 1/2 way up the pass I hear my RPM start to raise and I had to back out a little I was going 20 mph and even at 15 mph was having a he'll of a time not breaking these loose . I had 35,500lbs on my drives AND as I hit the last steepest part I was fighting to keep moving and when I pulled off onto the 190 mm off ramp to remove them I found...only the TWO on the front drive axle remaining the rear axle bare foot .upon closer inspection I found the elastic band and most of the sock wrapped around my inner axle hub the remaining set are frayed they won't last long and I wouldn't trust them ...lol...if they fail you will be hosed stuck on 6-7% grade unable to get moving again .
I also never drove slower than I could pull a pass on chains usually 35 mph these I had to sand bag at their max rated speed of 20 mph .
The roads had snow coverage but these just are not up to semi truck drive weight/ torque ...lol...they did not even last 12 miles on one mountain pass .. PURE SHIT... I should have bought the mishimoto trans cooler for my Ram diesel vs throwing the coin away on these... lol... well back to bulky company chains.
I will stick to chains my dude these shred vary easy
They shred if you drive on dry pavement or exceed 25mph. But when used properly they work great. If roads are too bad then park the semi, not worth the risk of wrecking or have others wreck into you. Customers would rather have a load late then not receiving at all
Show me how you folded those after heavy snow storm use please
Shake the snow off first?
"Taking them off even easier than taking them on" brb i gotta go take on some clothes
"Gotta go" check a guy's grammar, eh?
How does "fabric" help give you more traction?
Ice, won't slip
Good 👍
How about state laws? Some states require to have up to 10 chains
You'll find they work on powdery snow. You'll get stuck in wet and particularly compacted snow.
Will it hold on heavy slippery mud...???
Correct. They are not meant for that application.
I'm very pleased with the Onspot automatic chains I run. Drop to 10 mph, drop the chains and away you go.
I thought you were joking until I just searched for it. Now I wonder why those aren't standard.
Are those auto chains any good off road ie.bc log roads?
thick snow, they are not as good.. we use them on our school buses. if the wheel that engages the side wall is bogged in snow (buried), it does not work as well...
On-Spots are convenient and quite useful. But limited.
On the convenience/speed/traction curve, I would place On-Spots at the base (easiest, fastest, least traction), socks in the middle, and hard chains at the top (most traction, least convenient, takes the longest to employ).
One thing to think of though: On-Spots run the inside wheels, socks and hard chains are on the outside. Nothing says you can't use on-spots simultaneously with chains or socks.
@@tananam9782
Damn good point there!! Use both
Real men sling Tryggs, of course we're talking Bison Drivers here so self explanatory. Imagine putting those away after they're soaking wet and then they freeze in the compartment. Then on the next hill you can run around the chain up area like Richard Simmons arms flailing!!! My socks are frozen!!!
They transport reefers??
Taking ‘em off is easier than taking ‘em on... 😂 1:06
John Hasty fookin Canadians
John Hasty Yeah ...Mr perfect.
LMFAO yahhhh hay dare you betcha
Taking them on.....yeah ok
LMAO i thought i was the only one who caught that
My neighbor in college hauled reefer from sinaloa
Lol
I finally got to use mine. Way easier than chains to put on and off in no time at all which is perfect for Tahoe, and very effective. But limited to 30mph, otherwise they won’t last very long. I still carry chains (cables) but I hope to never use them again!!!!
Chains will self-destruct at 30mph also.
@@tananam9782
In regards to slowing way down to prevent them from wearing out;
If you compare the cost of these compared to the cost of chains, add to that the weight they had to the truck at a weigh station and the time spent putting them on taking them off they compare the cost of a chain breaking and hitting the the side of the vehicle and melting holes in the tires
Yeah makes sense to slow down on bare pavement
How many semi drivers have melted holes in their tires by driving on bare pavement with chains
(I know this happens bc I had bought brand-new chains and put them on Brand new tires first time I used them, they melted bones in the sidewalls of the tires!!
Guess what? the tire company refused to replace them because I melted the holes!) And! chains break and flop all over & they damage the vehicle itself...and how expensive is ALL THAT?
Those we not work on the trans Canada hwy
I can't imagine how they work, there is nothing to dig into the snow and I bet for logging they would be bad in mud. I could see them being good maybe on ice or light snow but not heavy snow. They might have good usage when chains are used on the tractor and the auto socks used on the trailer, that is simply my opinion.
Thanks for sharing your comments. Based on the comments, most that have used them like them. But they are for very specific situations.
Thanks for your reply.. Perhaps they would be ideal for my Jeep when I'm plowing. Chains add stress to the drive train before the wheels spin. I use tire spin as a safe valve against breaking drive line parts not to mention they look easy to install.
Actually my experience is that they work even better in heavier snow (on hiway not bac roads) as the snow balls-up on them and creates a “natural chain” effect...... just think back to being a kid with woollen mittens.
To add further, Roger does comment that these are not meant for heavy haul, Super B, etc. Thanks for watching.
So what do you guys think what was the verdict
1:23 - You might want to slow down a little.
Half an hour to throw chains! Lol I could throw trips in 15 minutes with a chiken chain on my steer! Log truck drivers always get a laugh out of highway trucks struggling with chains! That cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh!
15 minutes .I’m sure you’re part of the Drivers Club that litter chains all around the interstate.
Come drive a log truck. You will understand when you toss them 3 or more times a day. North central idaho. Drivers needed. You have never seen mountains till you see the back country.
@@eugene66626 I’m not talking about the AutoSock but about the time you take to chain up. How could you chain up 5 axles in 15 minutes without losing one of your chains?
And that tissue paper lasts how long in what conditions...
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Now there's socks littering the hiway everywhere.
Screw these things i highly recommend anything from peerless chain company especially the auto trak self adjusting chains they make!
What to do when three railers are mandated??
This is clever but I have used before unfortunately they fell apart on my as the time went by going through I 70
Jo crzy with the 🧦.
can someone explain how this is better than chains, traction wise? How is a piece of cloth covering the treads on your tires better than essentially adding a much bigger tread to your tire (chains). they don't explain in the video how these perform function wise over chains, they just talk about how its easier to put on.
I have the same thoughts. This product is obviously not designed for thinking people.
Look up Colorado DOT on this. They tested and allow them to be used.
Bettet for the maker to steal your money
The tyre socks have WORSE traction than chains, no question about that. Thing with the socks is that you get 60-80% of the chain performance with much less weight and work.
The tiny fibers and gaps are like sipes in a tire. There are so many little fibers they gab the ice. I couldnt believe it either, but my friends lexus was stuck going up a icy hill. We joked "watch we put these socks on and it will be like we have 4 wheel drive". Well, we put them on and boom...no spinning....right up the hill.
Bison,the Canadian division of SWIFT.
Are these DOT approved?
They are. Please see the FAQ link above.
Bison Transport They are not in BC
Get your facts straight.
Taking them on
What is the actual traction compound??
Do you mean the material the socks are made out of? Here you go!
How Does It Work
It is well known that snow and ice sticks to textiles. AutoSock is made from 100% high-technology fibers. These fibers, which become hairier with use, are arranged in a specific pattern in order to optimize grip. The specially developed textile has the advantage of handling water film found between the icy and snowy road and the tyre, (generated for example by heat from the sun, or wheel spin), thereby maximizing the grip.This next section is for those who want to get nerdy and into the details (For the rest of us, just walk outside on ice wearing wooly socks and you'll get the idea).Tribology/ Dry vs. wet frictionTribology is defined as the science and technology of interacting surfaces in relative motion and of the practices related thereto.A tribological system consists of three parts:
Upper surface
Lubricants
Lower surfaceIn the case of friction on icy or snowy roads the upper surface is the tyre or AutoSock, the lubricant is water film created by frictional melting and liquid layer on the ice/snow, and the lower surface is the icy or snowy road.When the water film thickness is insignificant, we have dry friction; this is the case when braking a car at -20ºC. When the water film separates the two surfaces, we have wet friction; this is the case when a car water planes. AutoSock wants to have as large area as possible under the AutoSock with dry friction, since dry friction gives the highest friction coefficient.Snow vs. Ice frictionAutoSock has:
A surface pattern that makes the total contact area exposed to friction sufficiently large under both soft and hard snow or ice conditions
A combination of surface pattern, strength and elasticity that make the contact points sufficiently sticky under hard snow or ice conditionsTo some extent we have a trade off between good friction properties on snow relative to ice. It is favourable to open up the structure in order to increase the total contact area exposed to friction on snow. At the same time the contact points need to be sufficiently sticky on hard ice. The contact configuration of a tyre or AutoSock can be quite different on snow relative to ice.The upper figures show the contact configurations of a tyre on soft snow.The figure to the left simulates compaction resistance, while the figure to the right simulates impact resistance.The lower figure shows the contact configuration of a tyre on ice where the macroscopic impact and compaction resistances are negligible.Electrical parametersThe AutoSock is made of a special high friction textile fabric. In a frictional AutoSock sliding situation, electrostatic pressures can be defined in:
The air gaps between: a) the sock surface and the icy or snowy road, b) the sock surface and the water film, c) the water film and the icy or snowy road surface.
The interfacial contacts between: a) the sock surface and the icy or snowy road surface, b) the sock surface and the water film, c) the water film and the icy or snowy road surface.
The water film.The dry friction process is dominated and characterised by accumulation of electrostatic charges in the slider contact points. The frictional water film initiates discharge of potential differences between the slider and the sliding surface due to the much higher electrical conductivity of water relative to snow/ice.The topography of the slider and the sliding surface is decisive for the electrical contact configuration between the slider and the sliding surface.The electrolytic conductivity of a melted snow/ice sample may indicate the rate of ions introduced to the interface between snow/ice and the slider by frictional melting and thereby the rate and ease of discharge between the slider and snow/ice through the frictional water film during braking. Larger frictional electrification should take place on snow/ice with low electrical conductivity compared to snow/ice with high electrical conductivity.
You can find all their FAQs here: www.autosocks.ca/faq
Taken the ON????
Hi. How it does work on ice?
Tire socks have teflon velcro which locks onto the watery surface.