Very good film Harry, I don't understand how I have never done ANY sewing at all and yet I get enthralled by your sewing videos. Wonders never cease. N.
Thanks to your videos, I bought myself an old Singer 1928 K58 patcher (with treadle base) and restored it. Its an awesome machine that allows you to do so many things that are impossible with traditional machines. I made a table top for mine based on an original sears catalog picture of the optional table top that was available for these. I love the front mounted hand wheel and would encourage people to look for machines with the proper setup for mounting the hand wheel in either front or rear locations.Most parts seem fairly easy to get. The thread I use in the US is #69 (also called T70) bonded nylon (upholstery thread). I got lucky and bought mine for 250 USD and spent maybe another $40-$50 on parts and about 20hrs of my time for cleaning and fixing. Many restored fully operational units can go for $700-$900 in the US. Wish I could find a Singer 133K like yours, but never see them even on Ebay.
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Harry, I just finished another 29k. I had to buy a few parts from College Sewing. I have an electric stand that the machine sits on and the belt runs from the stand. Both of my machines are in great shape and sew excellent. Can't beat these old singer machines.
I ran across the Adler 30-1 patcher in a Museum on the island Fur in Denmark. I could have fainted! They have no idea about how rare of a machine they have. I could have opened the window and taken it with me 😅 It had a table and everything. It was a bit dirty and rusty in places, but it could have been up and running in no time! I wish I could send you some pictures of it. My girlfriend took some embarrassing pictures of me completely losing it 😄 But, damn, it is a glorious machine! And so rare!
@@harryrogers They are much more uncommon here than Singer, and Singer is prohibitively expensive nowadays. But an Adler! Unattainable. Also, I don't know about parts for an Adler. Singer is much more widespread so I imagine parts are easier to come by.
I live in Germany and am a happy owner of an Adler 30-7. They pop up on Ebay in Germany quite regularly. They usually cost something between 300 and 600€. ( The antique ones ) As Denmark is not too far, it is worth looking . I got mine straight from a shoemakers shop, without the treadle but with a motor. I put the motor away and use the handcrank only ( there is no space in my sewing room for a treadle ). She is in perfect working condition, I named her Auguste and I love her to bits and pieces. The other company that seems to be quite common here in Germany is Claes. Adler and Singer are almost identical, and I think the Claes is at least very similar. They weigh a ton and therefore you are expected to pick them up yourself. If you are lucky to get one and miss the instruction, I could send you a PDF of an old Adler 30 -1. The only difference between the Adler 30 -1 and 30 -7 is the space under the presser foot. Good luck!
ah ha!!! thank you for sharing and glad I found the addition to the previous look at your machine. It answers a lot of questions on thread and needles for my UFA machine.
Hello Harry, I too have a Singer 29K53 and also a 29K15, and I have found your excellent videos very informative and helpful. The 29K53 has the same catch as yours to press to release the cover plate over the bobbin and shuttle. Other models have a round button instead. In my case, the tiny flat spring under the catch had broken and the catch would drop and wouldn't hold the plate still. The plate would then move and the needles would break. My attempts to find a replacement spring on-line only found the alternative round spring. Yesterday I finally had the brainwave to make such a spring from a junior hacksaw blade. I cut a piece to approx 40mm, held it in mole grips and ground it down to 3mm wide. Hey presto, I had a new spring which works just fine! So if you ever get stuck for such a spring, that's the way to fix it!
I have nearly the same machine! Minds a 29k55 from 1922, the treddle looks a bit different and mine is rustier since it was used in a saddlery for quite a few years. It works really good, though I'm having some problems with the bobbin jamming up but I think it's because im using such thick thread. I've got a pile of jeans a foot and a half tall that need patching, plus a pair of shredded overalls and I broke my last canvas needle this morning (I think I ran over a zipper). So we've ordered some more.
@@harryrogers well I had run out of my original thread that I had and I was like "I guess I gotta order new stuff now" so I just ordered it through the store (I work in my uncle's saddle repair shop, he repairs stuff for the local tack store) and it was heavier than expected haha. At first I was having problems with the bobbin being too tight so I found one that didn't have the tensioner thingy on it (that metal piece that holds the thread on the side) and it works pretty good.
Hi there Harry , I have the Patcher 29-4 ..... & I love it .... I have not the right bobbins , the ones I have split horizontially , I'm not sure why , I have been using pre wound bobbins from Coats & Clark .... I think they hold more thread than if you wound your own ... I hope to find some od the right bobbins before I run out of the pre wound ones .... & have you a flat bed with yours , I am trying to make one , I'm sure it is easy just need a bit of a hinge for the " foot " .... could you show the flat bed if you have one & the measurements ... I have a band saw & can cut one quite nicely I'm sure .... just wondering what you have .... I'm in California USA
Thanks Harry,that was a big help !🙂 I have just bought a 29k 173 it’s in a blue finish ... may be a later model ? The cylinder arm is a bit longer than some of the 29k patchers I have seen ...works fine tho !
Hello Harry, I thoroughly enjoyed the video. I am in the process of restoring a Singer 29K I came stuck when I found out, that the sawing circle is totally seized won't turn at all. any ideas are most welcome thanks.
I assume the thumbscrew that tightens and locks it in position is loose? Otherwise maybe penetrating oil and hot rags to loosen it? Do look at a parts diagram e.g. off ISMACS website that has free manuals to see how it's assembled.
@@harryrogers Thank you, Harry. I did put a flame torch to it with lots of dw40, and other thin oil. hasn't budged at all. I already broke one of the screws. , now I am searching around to replace the screw thank mate I will check out ISMACS to obtain a diagram, much appreciated
Hi your videos are the best very well done and presented and practical. I have a patcher 25k15 and need some parts ie needles. Shuttle. Bobbins and maybe a bobbin winder arm and the wheel hopefully you can help many thanks
Harry. Iam from South America , I got this machine in a auction, it was lot of 6 diferent old machines. See... I just wanted one of them but the deal was for the six . So I am learning how to use it. I don{t know if the thread must go all the way down to the needle or just to the slot on top of it, then out and then to the needle eye. Do you thread the needle from left to right ? Thank you for such very clear instructions. Regards to you.
66gladys Wow six machines! Take a look at my other patcher film and the links below the film and that should answer everything you need to know Best regards Harry
Hello Harry, I have a patcher - 1938 I think. I have a treadle base too but I wondered if you could tell me what size screws I need to fix them together. I have looked on the internet but can't find any info. Thanks for your very useful videos. Looking forward to getting sewing soon, all I need now is needles and then I'm off. I am going to make myself some shoes.
+Carol Rochfort - Carol - ask the people on the link below...these screws are a bit non standard I believe - but I think they are the frame screws on this link.......check with college sewing though....I like the idea of shoes www.college-sewing.co.uk/Singer29K,29USewingMachineParts
Hello Harry, I am a big fan of yours. Can you please make a video of how to thread the machine next time you change your thread. Thank you in advance and keep up the excellent work.
Hi Harry , Your information is very helpful as I know nothing about this machine . I have just been given a 29K15 Patcher ! It is rusted solid ! Because it was left out in all weathers . I have spent all day soaking it in WD40 , giving this and that a tap/wiggle/turn , and . . . , got it working ! ! I hope to be able to restore , and use it ! Any way I can get a manual ? They don't do this model , I have not found one yet . All the best , Jim Simpson
Thanks this was helpful to see. On these machines is there a back stitch function like modern machines, to lock the thread before putting running through the stitch?
I have a patcher, its a great machine, the only tiny fly in the ointment with it is the capacity of the shuttle, you cant sew a great amount without filling it up of course it was never designed for great long runs.
Harry, any idea what the hole is on the tray of the base? Where they to hold a leg of a table leg to make a flat bed? Looks like a hole in an anvil! :-)
Hi I have not got mine to look at now, but yes I think so...there are a couple of nibs on the machine itself to take a table, and in one of my vids I show the attaching of a wood table to the machine...sorry I can't remember which video!
Hello Harry. I just got a treadle myself. What a difference. I have been trying to find a tiny screw, to screw into the carrier shuttle. Believe it or not, I tried to find them on eBay and a few other sites. Nobody knows what I'm even talking about. They used to press them in, but on a site tonight, the guy said to just grind the head off of the screw and make a notch at one end, then just force it in the little hole on the shuttle. I've tried to find those little screws, but I think they're all gone. Thanks
i saw online some people were suggesting 135 16 for leather. bit different from your needle. i have a 29k71. should i try your suggestion or do you have some input on the other needle option?
harry where do you get your supplies from ? Like belts ,bobbins ,needle threaders? I talked to you a few months ago about finding a singer 29-4 and a month ago I meet a very sweet older lady that had on well I talked her into selling it to me just brought it home yesterday. Need to build dolly for base but all original and her husband built table like you describe . She gave me all her needles ,scraps of leather,needle threaders,extra bobbins.But I would like to know of businesses that can supply parts and pieces for this machine . thank you Deb in Vermont
Hi Harry, College Sewing didn't really know which screws I needed but thought the frame screws may be the ones - they turned out to be tiny so no luck there. Would be possible for you to measure one of yours and count the threads per inch and let me know the sizes - maybe even send a photo? I am assuming that all the models had the same size screws but I may be wrong. Its very frustrating as I am dying to start sewing! Carol
+Carol Rochfort Hi Carol - I have sold my frame with the screws...lot of changes to the workshop.......these look like the screws...explain again to College Sewing exactly what you want as they are usually very good ...have you downloaded the parts diagram from their website to give a number? www.college-sewing.co.uk/128D-FRAME-SCREW-SINGER-29K
Carol ,I just saw your question today to Harry Rogers regarding Singer mounting screws for a patcher. Singer made their "Own" thread pitch for their machines so people would be forced to come back and buy any needed bolts in the future from them. The easiest solution Is to buy a new thread tap for the next larger size hole. They are not expensive and are available from any hardware or tool store.I'm not sure where you live but if I can help email me thru RUclips.I have been restoring 29-4 & 29K machines for years ! Denny
Hi Harry, I’ve just bought a patcher 29K15 in a shocking, seized state. I’m having to drill out screws and pins. Have you any idea what thread standard Singer used, BSF, BSW or propriety . I have lots of taps and dies, a lathe and mill but can’t identify the threads because mine are too badly rusted.thanks for any pointers you can give, Mike
Hello Harry! Nice video! I've just serviced a Singer 29 that I believe to be the predecessor to your machine, a cobblers machine. I've been trying to work out what wax to use in the wax tray, and if it should be liquid (molten?) or solid. All help is appreciated! Best regards Karl
Original substance, tallow? But mind you, that was appropriate to the type of threads used when the machine was built. Would beeswax be better with a string linen thread today? And if using a high strength nylon thread, is a lubricant necessary? Thx ps: love these videos 👍🤗
Nice machine Harry, would a quite rusty 29K15 barn find machine be worth restoring and if so how much would be a good price be for it. Have a chance of buying one. Thanks Ian.
Crazybear Kaiser it's a bit like a car engine...is it seized or does it turn over ok....then is the bobbin there...see College Sewing Machines UK for cost of parts....ebay will give a price indication...£80 area upwards?????
Harry, I have two machines, one with a treadle and the other is electric. The one with the treadle works great. I am almost finished with the other one, but I have run into a snag. The one that I am not quite finished with has larger stem on the shuttle carrier and it does not fit into the hole, or its very tight if I would force it. I have rebuilt it all the way to putting the bobbin carrier in and had to stop. This gear box must be some kind of clone. All of the parts were interchangeable accept for this. I've spent a bunch of time on these, and I would like to finish them, Any Suggestions????????
Hello 8 years later :) can you tell me what needles do I need? I used Groz-beckert 120-19 Nm but I want thicker needles because these break often. I think 130/21 Nm should work for me but don't know what system do I need. If you or anyone else in the comments knows please tell me it would be extremely appreciated!
well iam sure glad you made this video i use a No 29-4 awesome machine, ha ha I know now i put the bobbin upside down and the 3 oclock hmm I will try that, also i thought it couldnt handle the thread that it was to thick. but i think i will oil it up and get the tension correct just is very touchy, Get Video Thank You!!!!
Yes some people do that, if you do just start by taking the bite off the foot....the leather will tend to slip more...so consider this before grinding anything, and perhaps make sure you have a spare foot first. You can reduce marking by releasing foot tension and putting paper over the sewing, and that might be a better approach.
Would this machine be suitable for making bags etc. I'm just starting with a very limited budget and I can't afford a new Juki/Adler. Looking for the best low cost option that is functional and reliable. Found one of these just a few kilometers down the road for 500.
Oh Hey Harry I use 11/18 29x4 needle not with a chisel I sew patches on leather jackets you think that might leave a bigger hole the letter is like buffolo thickness, or do you think the pointed one would be best?
Hi Harry, I tried sewing yesterday with a size 120 needle and Gutermann Tera 20 thread at top and bottom. After about an inch of sewing, the needle broke. I think because it was a thick needle, it needed moving to the left a bit as it must have hit the bobbin holder. I unscrewed the top screw above the needle a bit but I can only shift the thing a tiny bit to the left. Is it meant to be like this? The manual isn't very clear. I will also try thinner thread on the bobbin so I can fit more on.
I've viewing a few of your videos :) Thank you. I by chance ran across an Adler 30-7 (green) with treadle base. But running with motor. I have been told they are knock offs of the 29k's. So your videos have been a lot of help. My only other treadle machine experience is with my G Grandmas Singer 66 Red eye. Haven't checked your web site yet :). Did check you channel. And yes I can see you're a busy guy. :) Well Done
Yes it would work fine, the stitching may not be the most refined but it is alright and if sewing leather you can hammer over the stitches to flatten them. If sewing for a business at scale you might want a more refined industrial sewing machine.
@@harryrogers Hey. Thanks for the advice. I’m just a potential hobbyist. I found one for auction. It’s probably going to be next to nothing to buy, but it will need maintenance. My aim is to sew nylon fabric. I have a feeling it will work out. If not, I suppose I can resell it.
Hi, do you think this machine would be ideal for stitching leather sweatbands into felt fats? I am just getting into the craft of hatting and find that hat-specific machines are too expensive or impossible to find. There is a patcher available near me, and would like someone's opinion on whether or not it would be suitable for this purpose? Thank you!
That sounds like a reasonable use...I have put leather patches on knitted jumpers with it so I GUESS it would work with felt. The bobbins are small and there is no needle feed but you would be doing small runs and on smooth surfaces, so to me it seems a reasonable relatively inexpensive approach...of course I have not tried this, so at your risk. Rgds Harry
Harry, where do you get your Bonded Nylon NM40 from? I ordered similar stuff from China, but it's nothing like the thickness it's supposed to be. It's expensive in the USA as well as postage and import tax! Do you get it in the UK? Kind regards..................Alan
If you are thinking of who I am thinking of, they're rip off merchants when it comes to postage charges. £25 for three cones to be shipped to the Netherlands? (That was only the postage!!!) Anyway, I got them from somewhere that does't charge the earth. I'll get there eventually! Thanks anyway Harry.
Hi again. Do you have a link for the Schmetz leather needles you use in this video please. ( Canu 35:15AS1 NM120 Size 19).Finding it very difficult to find them.
Hi I have asked college sewing but have had no reply. I was hoping you could help I'm after left or right twist needles for my 29k do you no if I can get such a thin many thanks
@@harryrogers OK thanks it got very confusing last time I will try again I got the standard ones but couldn't find the ones I'm looking for last time thanks for your help I will try again
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Just curious how much did you pay for your 29? On eBay they are all $650 US + here in the US! I swear in one of your videos you said $50. If so apparently you did very well! LOL
I found one for $300 that has been sitting in a garage for about 25 years. Things move they’re just stiff…. I’ve never restored one and may like to try but I’m reluctant to ruin it by attempting. Do you have any sources that you would suggest, books videos, manuals or otherwise, that would be helpful in the process. I found one that was recently restored, everything but the decals, for $900.
LesterVerano it's not got the power of a sole stitcher or of a modern post bed.....but it might on light soles??? Hopefully others who make shoes can comment.
The patchers start with the 29...and then the next digit usually shows model number......early and late models.....and there are also long and short arm versions....google some more and you will see what I mean! Regards Harry
Good afternoon Harry, and Merry Christmas. I recently bought a Patcher, (29K58) with treadle base and it was sewing quite well until I changed the cotton thread that came with it, to synthetic. It's quite thick, but approximately the same as the original thread. It has started to give me real problems in the tension department? All the stitches are being pulled up and sort of leaving a loop on the top of the work. No matter how I try to resolve the problem, it still does the same. You seem to have the most experience with the patcher, any ideas? I'm sewing relatively thin leather, but two layers. I was sewing 4 layers this morning with cotton thread and no problems whatsoever. I must be missing something fundamental, here, as I am sure (I think!) that the synthetic stuff doesn't cause me the problems I'm having......does it?
Thanks for that Harry, but the tension on the bobbin is as tight as it can go. I put on the cotton based thread again and guess what? It is behaving perfectly. I can only assume that either I am using the wrong type of needles, or the machine is just being a real pain in the a. I'll have to try some other methods. The stitch length also seems to be not quite right. I have sen some other forum, where they mention that if I can move the foot more than a 16th of an inch either way, the cam is worn. So, it seems that my cam is worn. Although I haven't opened up the machine yet, is it a part that can be replaced easily? Does it make a difference if the bobbin is placed with the notch any way up, or if the thread is supposed to feed into the tensioner from any particular direction? Just thoughts, but maybe there's some logic behind the misbehaviour when it comes to synthetic threads. Thank you for the videos, I will watch. Alan
OK, found the cause. When I first put in some thick white thread, it worked ok, then I ran out of bobbin thread, so I changed it for black. What I didn't see, was that I had not put the thread under the tension spring of the bobbin. I had the tension spring wound tight as it was causing the loops on the top of the work, so consequently, when I changed the thread, this time I couldn't get it under the tension spring, purely because of bad light and I was fast losing patience with myself. OK, I did watch the two videos on the 29K and I understand it more now.. I do have quite a bit of movement in the walking foot, though, but I can get 8 stitches to the inch and for me that's w=quite alright. Is the cam replaceable? Alan
I spoke too soon, Harry. I finally come up with the idea that it hates this black thread and it looks a real mess on the top of the work with loops, missed stitches etc.(ET30 if that means anything to you?). The white stuff (ET20) is behaving oerfectly. I think I'll order cotton unless I see something on Ebay that matches the white stuff. Ever trying!!!! Alan
great technik and cool way of working and i wish i only could use my leather fur machine instead of throw it away because it is still nearly like a new one ;) hmm
so uhmm... your stiches are bad we can all see it... looks like you got some new disks as well, i would assume the shutle is new since you bothered to change/clean the plate, i know its a 3 year old upload but whats up with that? wrong needle size? your tension seems to be set as low as it can be set and your still getting down stiches on the upper side of the material. its it a thing with these machines not much can be done about it?
Hi Carlos...you can set the tension on these fairly easily and it holds it...this looks rough but it was just a quick demo with a single layer...more bobbin tension or less top tension would have sorted this plus using two layers of leather. It's a good machine, though I rarely use it as I use needle feed and larger bobbin machines most of the time. Rgds Harry
wow 3 year old upload and still here, that was quite impressive. and quick. sorry if it looked like a prick comment, dont doubt its a good machine, my though process comes from you seemingly desregarding the litle arm on top with no pull and together with the low tension on the disks i jumped into thinking it could be a "machine" quirk seeing as they fit more into "hard" shoe work then light fabric and it wanking the bottom thread would just be something the machine did. ty for the comment you have a gr8 channel i have been binge watching you for the last days @@harryrogers
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Fun video! I was the "fine repair" person at a shoe repair in northern New Jersey, got my own 29k years ago, now to get it back in shape!
Very good film Harry, I don't understand how I have never done ANY sewing at all and yet I get enthralled by your sewing videos. Wonders never cease. N.
Neil George Neil - I think its time to get a sewing machine!!!! All the best Harry
Thanks to your videos, I bought myself an old Singer 1928 K58 patcher (with treadle base) and restored it. Its an awesome machine that allows you to do so many things that are impossible with traditional machines. I made a table top for mine based on an original sears catalog picture of the optional table top that was available for these. I love the front mounted hand wheel and would encourage people to look for machines with the proper setup for mounting the hand wheel in either front or rear locations.Most parts seem fairly easy to get. The thread I use in the US is #69 (also called T70) bonded nylon (upholstery thread). I got lucky and bought mine for 250 USD and spent maybe another $40-$50 on parts and about 20hrs of my time for cleaning and fixing. Many restored fully operational units can go for $700-$900 in the US. Wish I could find a Singer 133K like yours, but never see them even on Ebay.
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Harry, I just finished another 29k. I had to buy a few parts from College Sewing. I have an electric stand that the machine sits on and the belt runs from the stand. Both of my machines are in great shape and sew excellent. Can't beat these old singer machines.
+Robert Giordano Thats great Robert.
Just ad a servo to my 29k15. It’s amazing
Thank you for your videos . I as a result I was able to get my patcher 29k up and running perfectly .
Thanks that's great
I ran across the Adler 30-1 patcher in a Museum on the island Fur in Denmark. I could have fainted! They have no idea about how rare of a machine they have. I could have opened the window and taken it with me 😅 It had a table and everything. It was a bit dirty and rusty in places, but it could have been up and running in no time! I wish I could send you some pictures of it. My girlfriend took some embarrassing pictures of me completely losing it 😄 But, damn, it is a glorious machine! And so rare!
@@thomashverring9484 Nice, they are not so common here in the UK but do pop up from time to time.
@@harryrogers They are much more uncommon here than Singer, and Singer is prohibitively expensive nowadays. But an Adler! Unattainable. Also, I don't know about parts for an Adler. Singer is much more widespread so I imagine parts are easier to come by.
I live in Germany and am a happy owner of an Adler 30-7. They pop up on Ebay in Germany quite regularly. They usually cost something between 300 and 600€. ( The antique ones ) As Denmark is not too far, it is worth looking . I got mine straight from a shoemakers shop, without the treadle but with a motor. I put the motor away and use the handcrank only ( there is no space in my sewing room for a treadle ). She is in perfect working condition, I named her Auguste and I love her to bits and pieces. The other company that seems to be quite common here in Germany is Claes. Adler and Singer are almost identical, and I think the Claes is at least very similar. They weigh a ton and therefore you are expected to pick them up yourself. If you are lucky to get one and miss the instruction, I could send you a PDF of an old Adler 30 -1. The only difference between the Adler 30 -1 and 30 -7 is the space under the presser foot. Good luck!
THANK YOU!!! For taking your time to make the video Full of information. Can't wait to see more of your videos.
ah ha!!! thank you for sharing and glad I found the addition to the previous look at your machine. It answers a lot of questions on thread and needles for my UFA machine.
An informative video and what a beautiful looking machine ~Peace~
very nice machine, Harry! thanks for sharing it with us
Hello Harry,
I too have a Singer 29K53 and also a 29K15, and I have found your excellent videos very informative and helpful. The 29K53 has the same catch as yours to press to release the cover plate over the bobbin and shuttle. Other models have a round button instead. In my case, the tiny flat spring under the catch had broken and the catch would drop and wouldn't hold the plate still. The plate would then move and the needles would break. My attempts to find a replacement spring on-line only found the alternative round spring. Yesterday I finally had the brainwave to make such a spring from a junior hacksaw blade. I cut a piece to approx 40mm, held it in mole grips and ground it down to 3mm wide. Hey presto, I had a new spring which works just fine! So if you ever get stuck for such a spring, that's the way to fix it!
+StageRightvideo Thanks for this post - hopefully it will help others as well.
You could maybe also shape a matching thickness feeler gauge arm taken from an engineering set. These are available very cheaply and are spring steel
Thanks for your time and effort Harry!!
I have nearly the same machine! Minds a 29k55 from 1922, the treddle looks a bit different and mine is rustier since it was used in a saddlery for quite a few years. It works really good, though I'm having some problems with the bobbin jamming up but I think it's because im using such thick thread. I've got a pile of jeans a foot and a half tall that need patching, plus a pair of shredded overalls and I broke my last canvas needle this morning (I think I ran over a zipper). So we've ordered some more.
Sounds like you are making good use of it...I found Gutterman upholstery thread was pretty good ...it's thick but not ultra thick.
@@harryrogers well I had run out of my original thread that I had and I was like "I guess I gotta order new stuff now" so I just ordered it through the store (I work in my uncle's saddle repair shop, he repairs stuff for the local tack store) and it was heavier than expected haha. At first I was having problems with the bobbin being too tight so I found one that didn't have the tensioner thingy on it (that metal piece that holds the thread on the side) and it works pretty good.
Hi there Harry , I have the Patcher 29-4 ..... & I love it .... I have not the right bobbins , the ones I have split horizontially , I'm not sure why , I have been using pre wound bobbins from Coats & Clark .... I think they hold more thread than if you wound your own ... I hope to find some od the right bobbins before I run out of the pre wound ones .... & have you a flat bed with yours , I am trying to make one , I'm sure it is easy just need a bit of a hinge for the " foot " .... could you show the flat bed if you have one & the measurements ... I have a band saw & can cut one quite nicely I'm sure .... just wondering what you have .... I'm in California USA
Mr Harry : I just had one of these given to me and am thankful to get some information on it, will give the other videos a look as well
Hello, Love your videos, can you do one on how to clean and restore the 29k? Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Thanks Harry,that was a big help !🙂
I have just bought a 29k 173 it’s in a blue finish ... may be a later model ?
The cylinder arm is a bit longer than some of the 29k patchers I have seen ...works fine tho !
Very nice..long arm and yes newer model.
Hello Harry, I thoroughly enjoyed the video. I am in the process of restoring a Singer 29K I came stuck when I found out, that the sawing circle is totally seized won't turn at all. any ideas are most welcome thanks.
I assume the thumbscrew that tightens and locks it in position is loose? Otherwise maybe penetrating oil and hot rags to loosen it? Do look at a parts diagram e.g. off ISMACS website that has free manuals to see how it's assembled.
@@harryrogers Thank you, Harry. I did put a flame torch to it with lots of dw40, and other thin oil. hasn't budged at all. I already broke one of the screws. , now I am searching around to replace the screw
thank mate I will check out ISMACS to obtain a diagram, much appreciated
Hi your videos are the best very well done and presented and practical. I have a patcher 25k15 and need some parts ie needles. Shuttle. Bobbins and maybe a bobbin winder arm and the wheel hopefully you can help many thanks
Hi Martin - College Sewing Machines UK stock parts for this.
@@harryrogers OK thanks very much
Harry. Iam from South America , I got this machine in a auction, it was lot of 6 diferent old machines. See... I just wanted one of them but the deal was for the six . So I am learning how to use it. I don{t know if the thread must go all the way down to the needle or just to the slot on top of it, then out and then to the needle eye. Do you thread the needle from left to right ? Thank you for such very clear instructions. Regards to you.
66gladys Wow six machines! Take a look at my other patcher film and the links below the film and that should answer everything you need to know Best regards Harry
Hello Harry, I have a patcher - 1938 I think. I have a treadle base too but I wondered if you could tell me what size screws I need to fix them together. I have looked on the internet but can't find any info. Thanks for your very useful videos. Looking forward to getting sewing soon, all I need now is needles and then I'm off. I am going to make myself some shoes.
+Carol Rochfort - Carol - ask the people on the link below...these screws are a bit non standard I believe - but I think they are the frame screws on this link.......check with college sewing though....I like the idea of shoes
www.college-sewing.co.uk/Singer29K,29USewingMachineParts
+Carol Rochfort www.college-sewing.co.uk/128D-FRAME-SCREW-SINGER-29K
Hello Harry, I am a big fan of yours. Can you please make a video of how to thread the machine next time you change your thread. Thank you in advance and keep up the excellent work.
Thanks...there is a film already in the Leather Playlist.
Hi Harry ,
Your information is very helpful as I know nothing about this machine .
I have just been given a 29K15 Patcher !
It is rusted solid ! Because it was left out in all weathers .
I have spent all day soaking it in WD40 , giving this and that a tap/wiggle/turn , and . . . , got it working ! !
I hope to be able to restore , and use it !
Any way I can get a manual ? They don't do this model , I have not found one yet .
All the best , Jim Simpson
Thanks this was helpful to see. On these machines is there a back stitch function like modern machines, to lock the thread before putting running through the stitch?
Yeah, just sew a couple back & turn it 180 again
I have a patcher, its a great machine, the only tiny fly in the ointment with it is the capacity of the shuttle, you cant sew a great amount without filling it up of course it was never designed for great long runs.
thornwarbler spot on agree entirely!
Harry, any idea what the hole is on the tray of the base? Where they to hold a leg of a table leg to make a flat bed? Looks like a hole in an anvil! :-)
Hi I have not got mine to look at now, but yes I think so...there are a couple of nibs on the machine itself to take a table, and in one of my vids I show the attaching of a wood table to the machine...sorry I can't remember which video!
Hello Harry. I just got a treadle myself. What a difference. I have been trying to find a tiny screw, to screw into the carrier shuttle. Believe it or not, I tried to find them on eBay and a few other sites. Nobody knows what I'm even talking about. They used to press them in, but on a site tonight, the guy said to just grind the head off of the screw and make a notch at one end, then just force it in the little hole on the shuttle. I've tried to find those little screws, but I think they're all gone. Thanks
www.college-sewing.co.uk/store/Singer29K,29USewingMachineParts
i saw online some people were suggesting 135 16 for leather. bit different from your needle. i have a 29k71. should i try your suggestion or do you have some input on the other needle option?
harry where do you get your supplies from ? Like belts ,bobbins ,needle threaders? I talked to you a few months ago about finding a singer 29-4 and a month ago I meet a very sweet older lady that had on well I talked her into selling it to me just brought it home yesterday. Need to build dolly for base but all original and her husband built table like you describe . She gave me all her needles ,scraps of leather,needle threaders,extra bobbins.But I would like to know of businesses that can supply parts and pieces for this machine . thank you Deb in Vermont
Deb Bushee Deb..College Sewing machines UK...I believe they might post international.
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Hi Harry, College Sewing didn't really know which screws I needed but thought the frame screws may be the ones - they turned out to be tiny so no luck there. Would be possible for you to measure one of yours and count the threads per inch and let me know the sizes - maybe even send a photo? I am assuming that all the models had the same size screws but I may be wrong. Its very frustrating as I am dying to start sewing!
Carol
+Carol Rochfort Hi Carol - I have sold my frame with the screws...lot of changes to the workshop.......these look like the screws...explain again to College Sewing exactly what you want as they are usually very good ...have you downloaded the parts diagram from their website to give a number?
www.college-sewing.co.uk/128D-FRAME-SCREW-SINGER-29K
Carol
,I just saw your question today to Harry Rogers regarding Singer mounting screws for a patcher. Singer made their "Own" thread pitch for their machines so people would be forced to come back and buy any needed bolts in the future from them. The easiest solution Is to buy a new thread tap for the next larger size hole. They are not expensive and are available from any hardware or tool store.I'm not sure where you live but if I can help email me thru RUclips.I have been restoring 29-4 & 29K machines for years !
Denny
Hi Harry, I’ve just bought a patcher 29K15 in a shocking, seized state. I’m having to drill out screws and pins. Have you any idea what thread standard Singer used, BSF, BSW or propriety . I have lots of taps and dies, a lathe and mill but can’t identify the threads because mine are too badly rusted.thanks for any pointers you can give, Mike
Hi I could not find matches for some and rethreaded!
What's that little "bowl" of cotton wool? For some kind of thread lubrication/waxing?
Yes, it's a tallow bath.
Hello Harry! Nice video! I've just serviced a Singer 29 that I believe to be the predecessor to your machine, a cobblers machine. I've been trying to work out what wax to use in the wax tray, and if it should be liquid (molten?) or solid. All help is appreciated! Best regards
Karl
Karl Månsson mine had an old lump of beeswax in the tallow bath...i suspect solid but soft?
Thank you for answering! So it's a tallow bath? Meaning it should contain tallow originally?
Karl Månsson yes I believe so Karl
Original substance, tallow? But mind you, that was appropriate to the type of threads used when the machine was built. Would beeswax be better with a string linen thread today? And if using a high strength nylon thread, is a lubricant necessary? Thx
ps: love these videos 👍🤗
I have a 29k71 model could u send me a video to show how to service and thread
Nice machine Harry, would a quite rusty 29K15 barn find machine be worth restoring and if so how much would be a good price be for it. Have a chance of buying one. Thanks Ian.
Crazybear Kaiser it's a bit like a car engine...is it seized or does it turn over ok....then is the bobbin there...see College Sewing Machines UK for cost of parts....ebay will give a price indication...£80 area upwards?????
Thanks for your reply. Yes everything is complete except a needle. The machine is not turning and is fairly rusty.
Crazybear Kaiser That's great.
Black enamel paint works a treat.
Car diesel bath 24 hours and then start working on the machine. This will clean and oiled every single part of your machine
Thanks for your time in making this video. What parts did you put in your machine to bring it back to good working condition?
Harry, I have two machines, one with a treadle and the other is electric. The one with the treadle works great. I am almost finished with the other one, but I have run into a snag. The one that I am not quite finished with has larger stem on the shuttle carrier and it does not fit into the hole, or its very tight if I would force it. I have rebuilt it all the way to putting the bobbin carrier in and had to stop. This gear box must be some kind of clone. All of the parts were interchangeable accept for this. I've spent a bunch of time on these, and I would like to finish them, Any Suggestions????????
+Robert Giordano Not really, I have never heard of that...skim it on a lathe perhaps? Try and buy that part?
My 1945 SINGER 29K70 came to me without a bobbin winder... your machine also appears to be missing one. Do you just wind your bobbins by hand?
Hello 8 years later :) can you tell me what needles do I need? I used Groz-beckert 120-19 Nm but I want thicker needles because these break often. I think 130/21 Nm should work for me but don't know what system do I need. If you or anyone else in the comments knows please tell me it would be extremely appreciated!
Hi I no longer have the machine but ask College Sewing Machines UK
@@harryrogers Ok,thanks!
well iam sure glad you made this video i use a No 29-4 awesome machine, ha ha I know now i put the bobbin upside down and the 3 oclock hmm I will try that, also i thought it couldnt handle the thread that it was to thick. but i think i will oil it up and get the tension correct just is very touchy, Get Video Thank You!!!!
Nikitia M Great - thanks.
Could you grind the walking foot smooth so it does not mar or impress the leather?
Yes some people do that, if you do just start by taking the bite off the foot....the leather will tend to slip more...so consider this before grinding anything, and perhaps make sure you have a spare foot first. You can reduce marking by releasing foot tension and putting paper over the sewing, and that might be a better approach.
@@harryrogers Thank you! I’ll try that and let you know
I have done it to my 29k15 and it perform better than new ones says my shoes repair friend
Would this machine be suitable for making bags etc. I'm just starting with a very limited budget and I can't afford a new Juki/Adler. Looking for the best low cost option that is functional and reliable. Found one of these just a few kilometers down the road for 500.
I would prefer to use a Singer 331k or a Singer 31k which should both be a lot cheaper...personal view of course.
@@harryrogers Thanks Harry. That was an incredibly fast answer! Are these machines cylinder arms?
@@ThoughtFission both flatbeds
If I want to. Would it be possible to put the hand crank wheel on the other side?
I think it can go on the right hand end of the machine, I don't think it can be mounted on the other side.
What is the maximum leather thickness that you can sew on this machine? Is 1,5-2cm possible?
It was designed for patching jackets and boots etc. In another video I put various leathers through it.
Oh Hey Harry I use 11/18 29x4 needle not with a chisel I sew patches on leather jackets you think that might leave a bigger hole the letter is like buffolo thickness, or do you think the pointed one would be best?
Hi Harry, I tried sewing yesterday with a size 120 needle and Gutermann Tera 20 thread at top and bottom. After about an inch of sewing, the needle broke. I think because it was a thick needle, it needed moving to the left a bit as it must have hit the bobbin holder. I unscrewed the top screw above the needle a bit but I can only shift the thing a tiny bit to the left. Is it meant to be like this? The manual isn't very clear. I will also try thinner thread on the bobbin so I can fit more on.
+Carol Rochfort Carol - I think the thread is a bit thick .....I don't know about the needle adjustment - sorry!
Once again thank you very much for your tips.
I've viewing a few of your videos :) Thank you. I by chance ran across an Adler 30-7 (green) with treadle base. But running with motor. I have been told they are knock offs of the 29k's. So your videos have been a lot of help. My only other treadle machine experience is with my G Grandmas Singer 66 Red eye.
Haven't checked your web site yet :). Did check you channel. And yes I can see you're a busy guy. :) Well Done
Chris Kight Thanks the Adlers are good.
Do you use the waxing pot for the thread ? What does it do to benefit the thread ? I haven't added it to mine yet thanks !
Do you think it's possible to sew a backpack with something like this?
Yes it would work fine, the stitching may not be the most refined but it is alright and if sewing leather you can hammer over the stitches to flatten them. If sewing for a business at scale you might want a more refined industrial sewing machine.
@@harryrogers Hey. Thanks for the advice. I’m just a potential hobbyist. I found one for auction. It’s probably going to be next to nothing to buy, but it will need maintenance. My aim is to sew nylon fabric. I have a feeling it will work out. If not, I suppose I can resell it.
Hi, do you think this machine would be ideal for stitching leather sweatbands into felt fats? I am just getting into the craft of hatting and find that hat-specific machines are too expensive or impossible to find. There is a patcher available near me, and would like someone's opinion on whether or not it would be suitable for this purpose? Thank you!
That sounds like a reasonable use...I have put leather patches on knitted jumpers with it so I GUESS it would work with felt. The bobbins are small and there is no needle feed but you would be doing small runs and on smooth surfaces, so to me it seems a reasonable relatively inexpensive approach...of course I have not tried this, so at your risk. Rgds Harry
I seem to be having trouble finding the correct size bolts to attach my patcher to the treadle. It’s a K29. Are they an odd size?
Yes...but I don'tknowwhat type...College Sewing machines might sell them...I know some people retap the threads.
How do you get your cast iron so nice? I have the exact same setup however the treadle has small patches of rust.
A wire brush and enamel paint work wonders!
Thank you so much! Very helpful
How can I get take up lefter mine has been broken am in Kenya East Africa
Harry, where do you get your Bonded Nylon NM40 from? I ordered similar stuff from China, but it's nothing like the thickness it's supposed to be. It's expensive in the USA as well as postage and import tax! Do you get it in the UK?
Kind regards..................Alan
Alan Smith Hi Alan...I get some in Manchester uk
If you are thinking of who I am thinking of, they're rip off merchants when it comes to postage charges. £25 for three cones to be shipped to the Netherlands? (That was only the postage!!!) Anyway, I got them from somewhere that does't charge the earth. I'll get there eventually! Thanks anyway Harry.
Hi, could you tell does dpx17 needle fit/work on these old machines? I have a 1914 29k-1 .
I'm looking for Adler 30-2 needle plate
Hi again. Do you have a link for the Schmetz leather needles you use in this video please. ( Canu 35:15AS1 NM120 Size 19).Finding it very difficult to find them.
I got mine from College Sewing Machines UK
Hi I have asked college sewing but have had no reply. I was hoping you could help I'm after left or right twist needles for my 29k do you no if I can get such a thin many thanks
They should be on their website. There are also sellers on EBay.
@@harryrogers OK thanks it got very confusing last time I will try again I got the standard ones but couldn't find the ones I'm looking for last time thanks for your help I will try again
How can I get take up lefter mine has broken
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Hello, what is the thickest thread and needle you have successfully manage to sew with? (or you know of someone who did?)
Hi..not very thick...its for patching the likes of shoe and calf leather.
Wow, your maschine is really good looking
Just curious how much did you pay for your 29? On eBay they are all $650 US + here in the US! I swear in one of your videos you said $50. If so apparently you did very well! LOL
I think keep hunting!
I found one for $300 that has been sitting in a garage for about 25 years. Things move they’re just stiff…. I’ve never restored one and may like to try but I’m reluctant to ruin it by attempting. Do you have any sources that you would suggest, books videos, manuals or otherwise, that would be helpful in the process. I found one that was recently restored, everything but the decals, for $900.
What exactly is that material you're using at 6:40???? I've been looking for the same textured/ type of material but I don't know the exact name!
Sol Luna It was a textured upholstery leather.
Thanks Harry
Hello Harry
Do you Know of there are différent kinds of feet for this machine?
Françoise G Sorry no...College Sewing UK might be able to help.
Love it ❤.
Can this machine be used to stitch soles onto shoes? Thanks, i appreciate your videos on this machine, I'm hoping to acquire one soon.
LesterVerano it's not got the power of a sole stitcher or of a modern post bed.....but it might on light soles??? Hopefully others who make shoes can comment.
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Hello Harry Rogers!Мне нравится ваша работа и ваша швейная машина.
Where do you buy parts for this machine
+JOHN GRANDE please see the comments belo
How does this compare to the 29-4?
The patchers start with the 29...and then the next digit usually shows model number......early and late models.....and there are also long and short arm versions....google some more and you will see what I mean! Regards Harry
Necesito un ecentrico de una Singer 29 k72 donde lo podría conseguir
I like to have one, how can I get it
Ebay etc
Good afternoon Harry, and Merry Christmas. I recently bought a Patcher, (29K58) with treadle base and it was sewing quite well until I changed the cotton thread that came with it, to synthetic. It's quite thick, but approximately the same as the original thread. It has started to give me real problems in the tension department? All the stitches are being pulled up and sort of leaving a loop on the top of the work. No matter how I try to resolve the problem, it still does the same. You seem to have the most experience with the patcher, any ideas? I'm sewing relatively thin leather, but two layers. I was sewing 4 layers this morning with cotton thread and no problems whatsoever. I must be missing something fundamental, here, as I am sure (I think!) that the synthetic stuff doesn't cause me the problems I'm having......does it?
Alan Smith hi Alan...loop on top usually means bottom tension is loose....I have put a couple of other 29 k films up....Happy Christmas
Thanks for that Harry, but the tension on the bobbin is as tight as it can go. I put on the cotton based thread again and guess what? It is behaving perfectly. I can only assume that either I am using the wrong type of needles, or the machine is just being a real pain in the a. I'll have to try some other methods. The stitch length also seems to be not quite right. I have sen some other forum, where they mention that if I can move the foot more than a 16th of an inch either way, the cam is worn. So, it seems that my cam is worn. Although I haven't opened up the machine yet, is it a part that can be replaced easily? Does it make a difference if the bobbin is placed with the notch any way up, or if the thread is supposed to feed into the tensioner from any particular direction? Just thoughts, but maybe there's some logic behind the misbehaviour when it comes to synthetic threads. Thank you for the videos, I will watch. Alan
OK, found the cause. When I first put in some thick white thread, it worked ok, then I ran out of bobbin thread, so I changed it for black. What I didn't see, was that I had not put the thread under the tension spring of the bobbin. I had the tension spring wound tight as it was causing the loops on the top of the work, so consequently, when I changed the thread, this time I couldn't get it under the tension spring, purely because of bad light and I was fast losing patience with myself. OK, I did watch the two videos on the 29K and I understand it more now.. I do have quite a bit of movement in the walking foot, though, but I can get 8 stitches to the inch and for me that's w=quite alright. Is the cam replaceable?
Alan
Alan Smith hi yes probably....college Sewing machines UK have a lot of 29k parts on their website...glad it's working. Regards Harry
I spoke too soon, Harry. I finally come up with the idea that it hates this black thread and it looks a real mess on the top of the work with loops, missed stitches etc.(ET30 if that means anything to you?). The white stuff (ET20) is behaving oerfectly. I think I'll order cotton unless I see something on Ebay that matches the white stuff. Ever trying!!!! Alan
great technik and cool way of working and i wish i only could use my leather fur machine instead of throw it away because it is still nearly like a new one ;) hmm
thanks
I didn't even know that patchers came on treadles
Makes though
Way fair machine!!! :-)
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so uhmm... your stiches are bad we can all see it... looks like you got some new disks as well, i would assume the shutle is new since you bothered to change/clean the plate, i know its a 3 year old upload but whats up with that? wrong needle size? your tension seems to be set as low as it can be set and your still getting down stiches on the upper side of the material. its it a thing with these machines not much can be done about it?
Hi Carlos...you can set the tension on these fairly easily and it holds it...this looks rough but it was just a quick demo with a single layer...more bobbin tension or less top tension would have sorted this plus using two layers of leather. It's a good machine, though I rarely use it as I use needle feed and larger bobbin machines most of the time. Rgds Harry
wow 3 year old upload and still here, that was quite impressive. and quick. sorry if it looked like a prick comment, dont doubt its a good machine, my though process comes from you seemingly desregarding the litle arm on top with no pull and together with the low tension on the disks i jumped into thinking it could be a "machine" quirk seeing as they fit more into "hard" shoe work then light fabric and it wanking the bottom thread would just be something the machine did. ty for the comment you have a gr8 channel i have been binge watching you for the last days @@harryrogers
@@eueueueu21 Thanks Carlos
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I have one of these for sale
OMG a steerable sewing foot.
Anyone got one for sale cash in hand
thanks Harry....