I have 6 kids, also🙂 I know that everybody's different, but there's no way I could have left. I'd be finding somewhere for my other kids to stay, & making arrangements for somebody to bring me supplies regularly, so I'd not have to leave, or only have to leave the area, as little as possible, but I'd do WHATEVER it took, to stay there so I could search everything & everywhere MYSELF, bc I'd never be able to leave, if I knew any of my babies were still out there. Even if it had been so long, that there's no way the baby could still be alive, there's just no way I could leave, until I knew i found him. I'd have to search every day, or I wouldn't be able to move on, to live ANY kinda life. My life would be just searching that area til I found them. I've always wondered how the parents of missing kids were able to leave, in situations like this one....
@@DD-oi3vh Omgosh SAME. I'm afraid to have kids cause i'm terrified that something, anything, might happen to them, and i'd never be able to move on & live after that. Plus, it would be very unfair to my other kids, cause i'd never have just 1.
"Should learn more in the next 24-48 hours". Well, it's been much, much longer than that! I looked for an update to this update on your channel but nothing!
Maybe the family sold the child to authorities in that area. I pulled into a camp ground between salmon and elk bend once and it looked like the law and some people in a truck where up to something fishy. Cop didn't like that I had pulled in and walked over to my car and shined his flashlight in my face. I shined one back in his and told him I can't see his hands and I'm not afraid to defend myself. He asked if I'm always such a dick and I asked if he always violates people's rights by blinding them. With his light. He walked off and left but the truck took off as soon as we pulled in.
As a parent I can't imagine ever leaving till my son was found. Or every waking moment would be spent there looking. If the parents haven't been going back since that day then they know something.
I don't know who did what to that poor little boy, but the original interview by the police with the great-grandfather is absolutely chilling. He actually laughs when they ask him what happened to the little boy. His lack of compassion about a missing child (his own great grandson!) is chilling.
Hes an old man who's on a breathing machine. He's not of sound mind. How idiotic are you to assume anything that old man says or does should be taken seriously? He probably can't remember what he ate last night let alone that. I agree with Kathy.
People laugh from nerves, whenever someone around me gets hurt I instinctively guffaw. That doesn't mean I enjoyed seeing them hurt, it means I can't process what i'm seeing
He is ill and old. They lose the common understanding and links to emotions or understanding. Most ppl know this. He is far too ill to have done anything.
@@drsin6856 ... From what I read- it was human remains but, from scattered ashes- after a cremation- that were supposed be there; not suspicious. However, I have no blue clue if this is fact or fiction... Hard to know for sure with all the rumours and hype all over the internet.
@@nikkib6506 The ashes being reported was from before this particular search. This go around, the last I heard was they weren't able to dig at that time due to where the dogs hit being in a dangerous spot by the water.
@Hopes Alive, I am too. My theory is, that someone had it in for them, and went up to the campground before them, and was lying in wait, and stole the baby. Unfortunately, children are stolen all the time. Until it is proven that the child is dead, I still hold out that he is alive somewhere, and when he's old enough, can escape.
@@Debbie-rx6tb Sorry Debbie, maybe I should've made it clearer. If it was eventually found that the child had been buried, we could assume that foul play was involved.
Here's a thought: did they look for his remains in a tree? I admit that I don't know much about sniffer dogs, but I know they found the body of the little girl killed alongside her family (in the LBL deaths) 60 ft up in a tree. Cats go up with their prey to eat.
3 months later and still no updates so I don't think it was deorr and I don't think his body is anywhere near that campsite and they will never ever find him long as that's only place they search for his body
Who leaves their child alone with grandpa in a campsite knowing it's a chance strangers wander in camp grounds if someone did snatched him grandpa cant do anything .
To all those accusing the parents...Go watch ANY 411 The Missing videos and you'll see, 1. It wasn't the parents. 2. Don't go camping ever again. 3. There are now 10s of thousands missing mysteriously just like this from our National Parks and campsites ! 4. The government sends the FBI uninvited in most cases, but they do show up. 5. They claim they don't keep a list of missing persons from the woods. 6. Then they said they do have a list but it will cost over a million dollars to produce it.
The child was two! How to you ever leave a two year old out of line of sight at a campground, for even a second!?! The least he might do is put dirt in his mouth.
Jean groff They were all drunk and what kind of mother leaves her toddler in the woods with an old man and some young dude???? Ill tell you what kind, a pos like her that already had kids taken away from her,,,, i think the boy was killed somewhere else and the camping trip was a cover up
*A convicted sex offender was invited on the trip by the grandpa. The trip was grandpa’s idea. The child disappeared under grandpa’s care, same time the the sex offender briefly parted with the parents at the creek. The grandpa has said he only feels “a little guilty”, he has no remorse, accountability, or normal range of human emotions when discussing his missing great grandchild. He’s even laughed in an interview about it (Missing 411). The father has even said he suspects the two. The grandpa and his sex offender friend make my stomach churn. It was them.*
@@l3wdlemon708 you're a very hateful person to say such a thing, especially after the private investigator said that he believes 100% that the parents are innocent. What an evil heart you have.
I think the Mother planned it! Who's this mysterious Isaac that the GrandFather insisted get to go! Why? Who is he and how long had the Grandfather known him? From what I've gathered is noone else knew this guy at all. So why would he end up on this Camping trip? The first time he pops up is on this trip and all the sudden their 2 year old comes up missing? Something smells with this "STRANGER"!
She was set to be married a few weeks after the trip. What motive would she have? It was her sister who asked the mom to go on the trip that was grandpa’s idea to go in the first place. It was grandpa’s idea to bring Isaac, who is a convicted sex offender. And it was under grandpa’s care that the boy disappeared. How do you reckon the mom plays into it? She had the most to loose, and nothing to gain.
The Private Detective Kline also found 5 matchbox cars that the little boy supposedly had at the campsite, in their home as well. Do you think the parents could've made a mistake on what clothing their little boy was wearing? In all the panic and all?
There are matching pants to the jacket he was reported wearing. The pants were given to LE. The jacket Klein found did not match the pants that LE has. Le also said the jacket and cars Klein found at the house are not relevant in any way to the case. Klein wouldn't answer if the jacket was Deorr's size and only said 'he could wear it'. There were two little boys in that family so there being other clothing and match box cars in the home is meaningless. Especially since the jacket didn't match the pants.
@@mizdottie8048 Yes, but Jessica's ex has full custody of her other two boys. She mentioned in a video she does see them but never mentioned whether they spent anytime at her house. I suppose it's obvious they do but I think being DeOrr Jr. was the only child actually living there at that time, they were more than likely his. I honestly do not believe their hands are clean on this. I really don't believe that baby was ever at that campground.
@@gerrithoevers I read the custody order before it was sealed after this case blew up. They have shared custody and her other children are not two boys. It's a false rumor that Jessica 'lost' custody, has no custody, etc. The kids as far as I can tell from photos of family events on Jessica's side spent a lot of time with Jessica, Trina, etc. Seems like a no brainer they would have clothes and toys at her house.
@@gerrithoevers that is a lie! Jessica's ex does Not have full custody! Where on earth did you get that idea? She Never said he did! She said that she gave him >more custody, but that does not in any way, mean full. Therefore, of course there would be other children's clothes and toys in her home. Furthermore, there is No proof that the baby was not at the campground.
@@docbainl9504 says common sense. Science can't prove no God but it certainly doesn't find anything which indicates there is a god. Then ppl will say he's unknowable...but that they themselves somehow have ability to know. It's, in parts, a lovely thought to think all your loved ones will carry on forever. But it's comfort that makes you believe, not a rational argument.
True Crime Garage addressed part of that--apparently someone had recently scattered cremated human remains during the investigation, and the dogs kept hitting on it.
Laura RomDeussen thats funny when I was younger I ran into someone with cadaver dogs who was planting small pieces of human remains and making it look like there dogs where the best but they got caught happened a long time ago
@@lauraromdeussen864 I was referring to the 2nd investigator. He had stated the dogs he brought in hit on a spot they wanted to check out more in depth last summer. shortly after he was sued by the fathers family. That law suit was recently dismissed and now they have this a month later. Seems a bit interesting.
Laura RomDeussen ashes don’t smell the same, I heard. Cadaver dogs don’t hit on cremains. Maybe some people killed someone else in the spot where DeOrr vanished. I’m probably looking at too much true crime lmao
When I hear the story like this I think it might have gone like this: Due to the age of Deorr I think he cried to go fishing with his parents. maybe he ran after them and the parents got very angry and still took him to fish. there may have been deorr very busy so the parents have done something to him through anger! secondly, deorr may have later started looking for his parents because no one was paying attention he got lost and was taken by an animal. thirdly, I think the grandfather and the friend may have done something to him and dumped it somewhere in the car. because the parents were gone and do not know if the grandfather and the friend have been away by car in the meantime! because deorr has never been found in that area. they may have dumped him elsewhere with the car.
This is so sad for everyone involved. One thing caught my attention. Why did the parents ask the elderly grandfather to watch a toddler while they went fishing. He was on oxygen. Could he have run after a two year old if he was walking away from him or was about to fall in the water. I think that was too much too ask of an elderly gentleman with limited capacity. 2nd if all the mother stated that she took her son with her everywhere and she would have never left him at home. So why didn’t she take the little boy with her when they went fishing? He would have enjoyed it. He could have fished with his parents. And they were more apt to jump in the lake if he fell in or run after him if he was wandering. It was their responsibility to care and look after their son. You take precautions when you make the choice to take a very young child out into the wilderness, where there is a river or a lake. There could be wild animals etc. etc. Well that’s my two cents. Hindsight, this is a horrible tragedy.
I have a 3 year old brother, I hate to see that kids at their age barely get a chance at life because of the corrupt world we live in. I hope that that young boy isn't dead and that they soon find him if he is still out there. All I know is that if he is dead, he is in a better place now with no corruption.
There is a new TV show coming out any minute. HLN or something. I can't see that there are any conclusive results past these dogs alerting last summer.
I believe that it was either the grandad OR his friend that said "why on earth bring a kid out here camping?" Can't be sure which one. To me, He is the prime suspect.
I think the little man tried following his parents when they went fishing they need to search the path they took....I believe the parents are innocent too!!!!
I noticed you made the same comment as a reply earlier, the same thought was going thru my mind. I was curious if others had considered this possibility of him being bought, it was good to see one state it straight up. Definitely sounds plausible say if he was payed by the parents, as it sounds off how much he emphasized his belief of their innocents. “If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is,” and this “update” may be just that.
So the remains are buried, who buried him? Maybe he was buried there after the initial search with the first set of cadaver dogs and that's why the first digs didn't find anything.
My first assumption is animal predation. Many people underestimate the capabilities of Cougars. A fully grown Puma can carry a 113 kg (250 lbs.) buck up into a tree. A 13 kg (30 lbs) child could potentially be gripped in a Mountain Lion's maw without injuring or maiming the child. This is how they carry their young, and a human child's clothing would quite conveniently mimic the loose fur of a Ghost Cat cub. I understand, in cases of animal predation there is usually signs of struggle such as blood or ripped clothing. It just strikes me that such a small and lightweight target would be more of a special case, and easier than most to snatch and run while leaving little to no trace behind.
Every time I see this camp site I just want to move that huge rock next to that BBQ. In one site I was at when I was younger, there was an ash bin under this heavy rock. The rock moved off the bin easily. It just made the site more attractive with less garbage barrels and less interesting to bears. The rock did not look like it was covering a bin but it was. I know also people dig holes and dont cover them well. Soggy mud can swallow anything that falls in it. No way for him to call out or yell and holes. Natural or man made in all that weedy marshy area is easy to hide and hard to see. I want to just dig up that whole area. My heart breaks for these parents.
what i don't understand about this whole story is why the parents didn't bring diorr when they went fishing. children this age will always try to follow their parents when they leave. and secondly how can it then no one has seen anything !? the grandfather and the friend when they were there with this baby how could they have seen nothing? if one sees nothing, the other must have seen something. if the one who reads this who did something to him! you are the devil. how can you hurt such an innocent child! this hurts my heart so much. the world is beautiful but the people are not.
I recently watched the Missing 411 documentary film and this story was among several others discussed. The Deorr Kunz disappearance was the one that hit me the most. Honestly, I don't think he was murdered by any family member or friend. I DO believe that he wasn't being watched, that grandpa's attention was lacking to say the least. I don't think it was very responsible of this baby's parents to leave him alone with an elderly man who was forgetful at times and not physically well. I apologize if that ruffles a few feathers but it was a stupid and detrimental idea! My theory behind Deorr Jr's disappearance is very simple. He was playing out in the park, in the open, but still close to the forest. He wasn't being watched closely at all so when his grandfather's attention was lost for the 5 to 10 minutes that he admitted to, Deorr was attacked by a mountain lion. Most would agree that if that's what happened he would have screamed possibly or called out.... HOWEVER, if the lion attacked him very quickly and rendered him unconscious or killed him immediately upon reaching him, then Deorr wouldn't have had time to make any such noise. I do truly think that he was taken by this lion into the forest. I understand that there should be clothing or shoes found by now BUT they could be buried or just maybe eaten. I don't want to express any further details on that last part other than to say that it's not entirely unrealistic. My sincere condolences to Deorr's family. He was a beautiful child and I pray one day you are given closure. May he always fly high.
You don't understand if you think a mountain lion did this. You do understand how HARD AND HEAVY this area was searched right? NOTHING was ever found. Mountain lions do not eat clothes and shoes. For a mountain lion to render the child unconscious IMMEDIATELY before a scream could be made would speak of significant injury and blood. Attack areas aren't always bloody but the consume site would be. This child was not e eaten or taken by a mountain lion. You need to look into missing 411 a little more.
In the past 100 years, in North America, there have been 27 deaths documented. I HIGHLY doubt a mountain lion had anything to do with his disappearance.
def was not a mountain lion. sorry. there would of been proof. there was talk that it could of been a bear. there was bear tracks. but not everyone knows but what happened there, only they know. i don't think it was the parents.
Wait a second I just remembered that the friend said that the boy was playing in the fire pit when the grandfather wasn't even paying attention if you watch missing 411 it's all there 😳
none of this makes any sense! why would you have to guys who were drinking,1 stranger and a sick looking grandpa to watch a 2 year old boy who is mobile.
Poor sweet baby. I would have never left my child with anyone but myself on a camping trip. Relative or not. Maybe if he were 10 yrs older maybe. And I sure would not have left that camp ground until he was found. I couldn't. God help them all.
Vicky Russell - even one step further. Why take a two year old into the woods to camp? Especially if you are going to walk away and leave the baby alone, supposedly with a sick & elderly grandfather who wasn’t “all there” mentally.
I’ve read a lot of comments from a year ago I truly believe the grandfather was not all there possibly mentally unable to understand what had happened and to have to leave this world with such horrific guilt must have be horrible I don’t think he had anything to do with the child’s disappearance. I hope one day the truth comes to light so baby door can sleep in peace with God
No matter what, these parents need to be held responsible. WHO LOSES A TWO YEAR OLD???? It was their responsibly to not only look after him but to protect him...and they clearly FAILED!! They don’t deserve to be parents if they can’t look after their child. I have two children and you can bet your A$$, I’d never lose my child nor shift responsibility onto an old grandfather. They have to know what happened to this child.
I I know that Reverend Donna has done a reading on this couples little boy and she says a bear had taken him and there will be remains there to find if they really search hard enough they will find them in this Bear’s Den or something she’s been correct on most cases so I would take this for real and go search where she says................kim🇬🇧
So sad,,, surly the littleman couldn’t have walked off on his own? And if that is the case surely to god he wouldn’t have gotten that far on those little legs,,, I myself would have been frantic searching for him...
Little legs can walk faster and longer than you think. I had a toddler (she is 6 now) that woukd REFUSE to sleep for days on end. She just wanted to go and go and go. Just think about how much kids fight sleep. I know mine was a little different than others, but they all fight sleep. Some fall and cry, and others get up and keep going. I'm totally believing that a toddler can go farther than we think. A lot of tots are found well beyond what think adults think they can do, alive and deceased in the mountains and woods. Dont underestimate them. They are amazing little people. They don't know what they are doing, but not all is scary to them like it is us adults.
@@salmonjanet True...My son was about 2 and I quietly followed him through the trees for about a half hour ... He just kept going like the energizer bunny...with.... No fear of the bush at all.....
@@salmonjanet I had to catch up quick, he was nearing the edge of a small river....I was done watching ! He's 12 now and we still go out into grizzly country and sleep in a tent.... He fears nothing and has respect for nature...
The parents had something to do with it. I think he got ahold of drugs or something. I mean in the documentary the grandma says she asked her daughter if she had something to do with it- why would you ever do that unless it was a possibility. The mother acted way too strange not wanting any publicity.
They most likely probably found nothing to do with the case about this little boythe key factor is they took dogs up there when the boy disappearedand they didn't even pick his sent up at the campground think about it people think hard about it it's a cover-up the laws covering it up the parents are covering it up everybody is covering up
I've Watched it all. I truly believe, Something happened When he was with his Grandfather. Look Sometimes when you take your eyes off your child, In seconds Things changed. I think the Grandfather's friend knows , but Her Beloved Grandfather was maybes forget full.
I do not believe isaac is innocent. He never directly answers the question as to whether he was responsible for this. He just says "I'm aware of that." An innocent person would VEHEMENTLY deny guilt and loudly proclaim their innocence which he never did that I saw. Side notes: Mom says that baby is very attached to his parents, won't leave their side, yet instead of bringing him, they left him with a sick old man and perfect stranger who they didn't trust OR get good vibes from (in fact Jessica said she saw red flags in issac from the start.) Why would you leave your baby with a creepy man you don't know? There's something weird about that. Whenever I lose something, which has been dozens of times, I ask Holy Spirit to help me find it and he does. He knows and sees everything and whatever is hidden will eventually come to light. I asked Holy Spirit to reveal to me what happened and I feel an impression that Issac did something evil to the little boy when he had the chance... just the old helpless grandpa there. Issac said he went back to sleep after breakfast, the same as babys naptime. I believe he took the baby's hand telling him, let's go take a nap, brought him to his tent (for a deviant sexual urge), covered his mouth so he wouldn't scream, baby suffocated or was strangled. He could have rolled his tiny body up in a sleeping bag, put him in his truck or in a cooler and could have left before anyone would have known. (Remember there were 2 trucks.) Apparently he was not participating in the search but stayed in his tent. Most of all, mother said she saw red flags in Issac from the start.. he was resentful the baby was there, he rudely wakes them in the morning by knocking on their van window...plus she even directly said she thought issac had something to do with baby's disappearance. Grandfather also said he wouldn't trust isaac to watch the baby or to not steal money from him. Issac was acting suspicious to me in interviews and was wearing a shirt with a big black demon on the front during the interview. Never a good sign spiritually. He also claims not to remember a lot which to me is an excuse. I also heard somewhere that issac had kiddie porn on his computer. I wasn't there and can't say for sure but these are the honest impressions I feel from Holy Spirit. Believers in the Lord Jesus, let's all agree in prayer this case be resolved quickly and that all evil deeds done in secret be exposed in the name of Jesus.
I think deorr was accidentally ran over by father when he and his wife left for town after breakfast....they say they took baby .. but not taken into convenient store. If ran over they could have buried him on the way into town miles away from campsite. I dont think it was abduction, nor animals due to no speck of clothing, boots, or jacket found. The parents know something and were probably afraid they'd be charged for negligence, illegal drug use, etc. So, they cya it instead of telling the truth.
So it's Nov 2019... What did they dig up from where these dogs hit???
How about a real update🙄
I Second.
Yes I agree its Mid November 2019
The owner of the dogs needs attention and wants to be on TV.
Yeah, they obviously found nothing. Rediculous...
@Debra Nelson Also agree completely...
I would have moved into those mountains, they would of had to drag me out. So sad, prayers for the family. RIP Lil' man.♡
Absolutely. I feel the same way. No way I would have left
sonya griffy me too
EXACTLY what I would have done w any of our 6 children! Move in there until I find them!
I have 6 kids, also🙂 I know that everybody's different, but there's no way I could have left. I'd be finding somewhere for my other kids to stay, & making arrangements for somebody to bring me supplies regularly, so I'd not have to leave, or only have to leave the area, as little as possible, but I'd do WHATEVER it took, to stay there so I could search everything & everywhere MYSELF, bc I'd never be able to leave, if I knew any of my babies were still out there. Even if it had been so long, that there's no way the baby could still be alive, there's just no way I could leave, until I knew i found him. I'd have to search every day, or I wouldn't be able to move on, to live ANY kinda life. My life would be just searching that area til I found them. I've always wondered how the parents of missing kids were able to leave, in situations like this one....
@@DD-oi3vh Omgosh SAME. I'm afraid to have kids cause i'm terrified that something, anything, might happen to them, and i'd never be able to move on & live after that. Plus, it would be very unfair to my other kids, cause i'd never have just 1.
24-48 hours????
Its Jan 2020, we need an update
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I just watched this..it was posted on facebook
"Should learn more in the next 24-48 hours". Well, it's been much, much longer than that! I looked for an update to this update on your channel but nothing!
Right its been like 2 years lol what happened
Maybe the family sold the child to authorities in that area. I pulled into a camp ground between salmon and elk bend once and it looked like the law and some people in a truck where up to something fishy. Cop didn't like that I had pulled in and walked over to my car and shined his flashlight in my face. I shined one back in his and told him I can't see his hands and I'm not afraid to defend myself. He asked if I'm always such a dick and I asked if he always violates people's rights by blinding them. With his light. He walked off and left but the truck took off as soon as we pulled in.
As a parent I can't imagine ever leaving till my son was found. Or every waking moment would be spent there looking. If the parents haven't been going back since that day then they know something.
Poor baby n he was so cute and looked like his dad! Innocent little boy....💙💔❣
I don't know who did what to that poor little boy, but the original interview by the police with the great-grandfather is absolutely chilling. He actually laughs when they ask him what happened to the little boy. His lack of compassion about a missing child (his own great grandson!) is chilling.
So easy to point fingers from the outside, isn't it?
Hes an old man who's on a breathing machine. He's not of sound mind. How idiotic are you to assume anything that old man says or does should be taken seriously? He probably can't remember what he ate last night let alone that. I agree with Kathy.
People laugh from nerves, whenever someone around me gets hurt I instinctively guffaw. That doesn't mean I enjoyed seeing them hurt, it means I can't process what i'm seeing
I also found that strange !
He is ill and old. They lose the common understanding and links to emotions or understanding. Most ppl know this. He is far too ill to have done anything.
Somebody that was there the day he went missing knows something!
I wholeheartedly agree. Did they do a drug test on the parents?? What about evil looking Grandpa & his wonky eyed friend???
Grandad & the friend were drinking heavily & he had an accident or wandered off I'd guess. Poor little soul.
Saturday. June 13. 2020.
We are still waiting to hear about the results.
Still waiting on March 15, 2022
We need an update on this case what did they dig up???????
FACT AND SUSPISON
Bring doer home his body or him prayer for this little boy doer bring him home RIP. Amen
Missing 411. This baby’s disappearance is classic of all the other cases. My heart breaks for this little boy and his loved ones.
There was a Boulder Field not too far from when they were missing maybe like 50 yards
This report was made in June 2019!?
It's now Nov... Where are the answers??
Cheryl Cooper they need to call David from missing 411
@@lanavikadorothea1913 agree!
His dogs Hit on Human remains. But it may not be that little boy. It could be anyone. Poor little fellow. GOD bless this family.
It might have been picked up by these dogs and not the first lot if the body was buried at a later date
The first few dogs on the scene might not of picked up a scent because the sheriff didn't want the dogs to find the body... Why????
@@cherylcooper9049 surely you can't make a dog not find a scent. If the scent is there, they will pick it up.
Exactly. Perhaps he died somewhere else and was buried there AFTER the sweeps.
That poor baby and family. My condolences.
I am obsessed with this case!
Don’t be to obsessed I am wondering why the press hasn’t responded on what these dogs found or didn’t find?
@@drsin6856 ... From what I read- it was human remains but, from scattered ashes- after a cremation- that were supposed be there; not suspicious. However, I have no blue clue if this is fact or fiction... Hard to know for sure with all the rumours and hype all over the internet.
Nikki B at the very least you look into things a lot better than the media
@@nikkib6506 The ashes being reported was from before this particular search. This go around, the last I heard was they weren't able to dig at that time due to where the dogs hit being in a dangerous spot by the water.
@Hopes Alive, I am too. My theory is, that someone had it in for them, and went up to the campground before them, and was lying in wait, and stole the baby. Unfortunately, children are stolen all the time. Until it is proven that the child is dead, I still hold out that he is alive somewhere, and when he's old enough, can escape.
Witch hunt on the parents is disgusting. Private investigator just wants to be famous.
The child would only be buried if it was foul play.
Exactly
Unless he fell into the water and was washed away
@@Debbie-rx6tb Sorry Debbie, maybe I should've made it clearer. If it was eventually found that the child had been buried, we could assume that foul play was involved.
Ah, yes!
@Douggie F. If you were to loose your dog could I then call you Dougless?
Here's a thought: did they look for his remains in a tree? I admit that I don't know much about sniffer dogs, but I know they found the body of the little girl killed alongside her family (in the LBL deaths) 60 ft up in a tree. Cats go up with their prey to eat.
Yes they do like to bring their meals up a tree to eat in peace.
In Africa they do, panthers cover thier kill with leaves and debris.
I sure hope everyone can get closure on this.😔
3 months later and still no updates so I don't think it was deorr and I don't think his body is anywhere near that campsite and they will never ever find him long as that's only place they search for his body
Who leaves their child alone with grandpa in a campsite knowing it's a chance strangers wander in camp grounds if someone did snatched him grandpa cant do anything .
My thoughts exactly!;!
Not a minute would I ever let my kids be with that Granddad. I think That Granddaddy had a peculiar business for a particular piece of Candy!
And that weird man. Whats that man doing hanging out with this dude any way
@@leahcasell1487 why dont you clean out your clogged dirty ears.
To all those accusing the parents...Go watch ANY 411 The Missing
videos and you'll see,
1. It wasn't the parents.
2. Don't go camping ever again.
3. There are now 10s of thousands missing mysteriously just like this from our National Parks and campsites !
4. The government sends the FBI uninvited in most cases, but they do show up.
5. They claim they don't keep a list of missing persons from the woods.
6. Then they said they do have a list but it will cost over a million dollars to produce it.
The child was two! How to you ever leave a two year old out of line of sight at a campground, for even a second!?! The least he might do is put dirt in his mouth.
@@cmcmahon8551 what does that have to do with thousands of missing people?
Don't go camping ever again ??? Got you were they want you ???
Yes many are missing from state parks and such. Many are never found. I wouldn't go camping with a child.
Jean groff They were all drunk and what kind of mother leaves her toddler in the woods with an old man and some young dude???? Ill tell you what kind, a pos like her that already had kids taken away from her,,,, i think the boy was killed somewhere else and the camping trip was a cover up
Wow what a beautiful place for such a tragedy.
You sound crazy 🤪.
*A convicted sex offender was invited on the trip by the grandpa. The trip was grandpa’s idea. The child disappeared under grandpa’s care, same time the the sex offender briefly parted with the parents at the creek. The grandpa has said he only feels “a little guilty”, he has no remorse, accountability, or normal range of human emotions when discussing his missing great grandchild. He’s even laughed in an interview about it (Missing 411). The father has even said he suspects the two. The grandpa and his sex offender friend make my stomach churn. It was them.*
So where is the closure that you talk about??
Everyone wants an update is there one?
We already know his parents did it... just waiting for proof
@@l3wdlemon708 you're a very hateful person to say such a thing, especially after the private investigator said that he believes 100% that the parents are innocent. What an evil heart you have.
@@deirdrepasko9056 : this private investigator is lying. He has probably been bought.
@@deirdrepasko9056 There are very few if any possible options that don't involve the parents
@@sneersh9107 watch David Paulides Missing 411. Thousands of people have vanished in the forest and never been found.
I think the Mother planned it! Who's this mysterious Isaac that the GrandFather insisted get to go! Why? Who is he and how long had the Grandfather known him? From what I've gathered is noone else knew this guy at all. So why would he end up on this Camping trip? The first time he pops up is on this trip and all the sudden their 2 year old comes up missing? Something smells with this "STRANGER"!
She was set to be married a few weeks after the trip. What motive would she have? It was her sister who asked the mom to go on the trip that was grandpa’s idea to go in the first place. It was grandpa’s idea to bring Isaac, who is a convicted sex offender. And it was under grandpa’s care that the boy disappeared. How do you reckon the mom plays into it? She had the most to loose, and nothing to gain.
Soon we won't need detectives because RUclips channels do a better job.
It's August 6, 2021....is there an update? Was anything ever exhumed?
YES.....So what did they dig up....no answers have yet been given on what those dogs found
Seeing that little boy, Deorr’s face is heartbreaking. 😥 I truly believe the parents know what happened.
I'm glad you're comfortable accusing people who've lost their child. You're evil. I hope they find and sue you
Me! 😘 Get over yourself hun, no one, including me cares what you think. 🙄👎🏻
@@3sterling811 lmao 😂 You’re one to talk
Your comment was exactly what I was thinking about you and your needless comment.
Yea I was on the parent aside until i read about his jacket being in their house the whole time.
The Private Detective Kline also found 5 matchbox cars that the little boy supposedly had at the campsite, in their home as well. Do you think the parents could've made a mistake on what clothing their little boy was wearing? In all the panic and all?
There are matching pants to the jacket he was reported wearing. The pants were given to LE. The jacket Klein found did not match the pants that LE has. Le also said the jacket and cars Klein found at the house are not relevant in any way to the case. Klein wouldn't answer if the jacket was Deorr's size and only said 'he could wear it'. There were two little boys in that family so there being other clothing and match box cars in the home is meaningless. Especially since the jacket didn't match the pants.
@@mizdottie8048 Yes, but Jessica's ex has full custody of her other two boys. She mentioned in a video she does see them but never mentioned whether they spent anytime at her house. I suppose it's obvious they do but I think being DeOrr Jr. was the only child actually living there at that time, they were more than likely his. I honestly do not believe their hands are clean on this. I really don't believe that baby was ever at that campground.
@@gerrithoevers I read the custody order before it was sealed after this case blew up. They have shared custody and her other children are not two boys. It's a false rumor that Jessica 'lost' custody, has no custody, etc. The kids as far as I can tell from photos of family events on Jessica's side spent a lot of time with Jessica, Trina, etc. Seems like a no brainer they would have clothes and toys at her house.
@@gerrithoevers that is a lie! Jessica's ex does Not have full custody! Where on earth did you get that idea? She Never said he did! She said that she gave him >more custody, but that does not in any way, mean full. Therefore, of course there would be other children's clothes and toys in her home. Furthermore, there is No proof that the baby was not at the campground.
That lovely little baby is so sweet and innocent I hope it's not him. If it's him that means he's dead and I want him to be able to go home alive.
You're delusional. He isn't going anywhere alive. Except to be with Jesus in heaven. He's long gone.
@@docbainl9504 speaking of delusion...there is no heaven
@@exert2020 says who you? Oh yes it must be true. I'll stick with the word of God thanks.
@@docbainl9504 says common sense. Science can't prove no God but it certainly doesn't find anything which indicates there is a god. Then ppl will say he's unknowable...but that they themselves somehow have ability to know. It's, in parts, a lovely thought to think all your loved ones will carry on forever. But it's comfort that makes you believe, not a rational argument.
@@docbainl9504 what proof do you have that the baby is dead?
The Sheriff has changed his story. That makes things more clear why we’re here today. He made his mined up and isn’t following evidence.
What about the crazy guy who was staying with the Grandfather?
about time, the old cadaver dogs keyed on these spots years ago. also did they find a body? the news is making it sound like it.
No body don’t you love how the press gets you hyped then looks like a fool in the end
True Crime Garage addressed part of that--apparently someone had recently scattered cremated human remains during the investigation, and the dogs kept hitting on it.
Laura RomDeussen thats funny when I was younger I ran into someone with cadaver dogs who was planting small pieces of human remains and making it look like there dogs where the best but they got caught happened a long time ago
@@lauraromdeussen864 I was referring to the 2nd investigator. He had stated the dogs he brought in hit on a spot they wanted to check out more in depth last summer. shortly after he was sued by the fathers family. That law suit was recently dismissed and now they have this a month later. Seems a bit interesting.
Laura RomDeussen ashes don’t smell the same, I heard. Cadaver dogs don’t hit on cremains. Maybe some people killed someone else in the spot where DeOrr vanished. I’m probably looking at too much true crime lmao
it's been a year still no word of what was found there
just human remains?
When I hear the story like this I think it might have gone like this: Due to the age of Deorr I think he cried to go fishing with his parents. maybe he ran after them and the parents got very angry and still took him to fish. there may have been deorr very busy so the parents have done something to him through anger! secondly, deorr may have later started looking for his parents because no one was paying attention he got lost and was taken by an animal. thirdly, I think the grandfather and the friend may have done something to him and dumped it somewhere in the car. because the parents were gone and do not know if the grandfather and the friend have been away by car in the meantime! because deorr has never been found in that area. they may have dumped him elsewhere with the car.
All old news come on!
Wouldnt it be fabulous if there was a happy outcome?
This is so sad for everyone involved. One thing caught my attention. Why did the parents ask the elderly grandfather to watch a toddler while they went fishing. He was on oxygen. Could he have run after a two year old if he was walking away from him or was about to fall in the water. I think that was too much too ask of an elderly gentleman with limited capacity. 2nd if all the mother stated that she took her son with her everywhere and she would have never left him at home. So why didn’t she take the little boy with her when they went fishing? He would have enjoyed it. He could have fished with his parents. And they were more apt to jump in the lake if he fell in or run after him if he was wandering. It was their responsibility to care and look after their son. You take precautions when you make the choice to take a very young child out into the wilderness, where there is a river or a lake. There could be wild animals etc. etc. Well that’s my two cents. Hindsight, this is a horrible tragedy.
The grandad and isaac totally had something to do with it.
I have a 3 year old brother, I hate to see that kids at their age barely get a chance at life because of the corrupt world we live in. I hope that that young boy isn't dead and that they soon find him if he is still out there. All I know is that if he is dead, he is in a better place now with no corruption.
The campsite is remote, but really is just down the road from a small town
@KTVB so whats the update?
There's no update. Absolutely nothing new. Nothing!
There will be an update in 24/48 hours. Didn’t you hear them! Lol it’s unreal that they haven’t given an update yet.
@@markreynolds8377 No kidding!!
There is a new TV show coming out any minute. HLN or something. I can't see that there are any conclusive results past these dogs alerting last summer.
@@annalisette5897 can't they test the bones, to see if they are a match to the baby boys DNA?!
I believe that it was either the grandad OR his friend that said "why on earth bring a kid out here camping?" Can't be sure which one. To me, He is the prime suspect.
Me too! Think the friend did it
@@lisajordan8502 or maybe they brought him along because he looked sketchy or just weird so people would think he ( the friend ) must have done it?
Well if it was the grandpa it doesn't matter now because he died back in 2019
I think the little man tried following his parents when they went fishing they need to search the path they took....I believe the parents are innocent too!!!!
WE NEED UPDATES!!
This new private investigator has been bought!
I noticed you made the same comment as a reply earlier, the same thought was going thru my mind. I was curious if others had considered this possibility of him being bought, it was good to see one state it straight up. Definitely sounds plausible say if he was payed by the parents, as it sounds off how much he emphasized his belief of their innocents. “If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is,” and this “update” may be just that.
RUclips has videos about many missing campers, hikers, etc.
@5:24 The dogs made a hit. It does not mean it is little DeOrr
So the remains are buried, who buried him? Maybe he was buried there after the initial search with the first set of cadaver dogs and that's why the first digs didn't find anything.
August 2021, still nothing
My first assumption is animal predation. Many people underestimate the capabilities of Cougars. A fully grown Puma can carry a 113 kg (250 lbs.) buck up into a tree. A 13 kg (30 lbs) child could potentially be gripped in a Mountain Lion's maw without injuring or maiming the child. This is how they carry their young, and a human child's clothing would quite conveniently mimic the loose fur of a Ghost Cat cub.
I understand, in cases of animal predation there is usually signs of struggle such as blood or ripped clothing. It just strikes me that such a small and lightweight target would be more of a special case, and easier than most to snatch and run while leaving little to no trace behind.
Every time I see this camp site I just want to move that huge rock next to that BBQ. In one site I was at when I was younger, there was an ash bin under this heavy rock. The rock moved off the bin easily. It just made the site more attractive with less garbage barrels and less interesting to bears. The rock did not look like it was covering a bin but it was. I know also people dig holes and dont cover them well. Soggy mud can swallow anything that falls in it. No way for him to call out or yell and holes. Natural or man made in all that weedy marshy area is easy to hide and hard to see. I want to just dig up that whole area. My heart breaks for these parents.
Why would parents leave a baby alone in the wilderness. That's the question?
Click bait. They found nothing. Dogs probably “picked up” the scent of a dead hot dog at the camp sight. 😒
A "dead hot dog"... Please tell me where I can hunt these alive 😂😂
🤣🤣🤣It does sound weird now that I read it. I was trying to think of something “unoffending” to say was “dead”.
Although hot dogs can be quite offensive sometimes. 🤣
what i don't understand about this whole story is why the parents didn't bring diorr when they went fishing. children this age will always try to follow their parents when they leave. and secondly how can it then no one has seen anything !? the grandfather and the friend when they were there with this baby how could they have seen nothing? if one sees nothing, the other must have seen something. if the one who reads this who did something to him! you are the devil. how can you hurt such an innocent child! this hurts my heart so much. the world is beautiful but the people are not.
Anyone ever to think of looking in the dumpsters in the town where they went for that ride before they called the cops
Should have stayed on vacation lady!
ITS 2021 ANY NEW UPDATES
I recently watched the Missing 411 documentary film and this story was among several others discussed. The Deorr Kunz disappearance was the one that hit me the most. Honestly, I don't think he was murdered by any family member or friend. I DO believe that he wasn't being watched, that grandpa's attention was lacking to say the least. I don't think it was very responsible of this baby's parents to leave him alone with an elderly man who was forgetful at times and not physically well. I apologize if that ruffles a few feathers but it was a stupid and detrimental idea! My theory behind Deorr Jr's disappearance is very simple. He was playing out in the park, in the open, but still close to the forest. He wasn't being watched closely at all so when his grandfather's attention was lost for the 5 to 10 minutes that he admitted to, Deorr was attacked by a mountain lion. Most would agree that if that's what happened he would have screamed possibly or called out.... HOWEVER, if the lion attacked him very quickly and rendered him unconscious or killed him immediately upon reaching him, then Deorr wouldn't have had time to make any such noise. I do truly think that he was taken by this lion into the forest. I understand that there should be clothing or shoes found by now BUT they could be buried or just maybe eaten. I don't want to express any further details on that last part other than to say that it's not entirely unrealistic. My sincere condolences to Deorr's family. He was a beautiful child and I pray one day you are given closure. May he always fly high.
You don't understand if you think a mountain lion did this. You do understand how HARD AND HEAVY this area was searched right? NOTHING was ever found. Mountain lions do not eat clothes and shoes. For a mountain lion to render the child unconscious IMMEDIATELY before a scream could be made would speak of significant injury and blood. Attack areas aren't always bloody but the consume site would be. This child was not e eaten or taken by a mountain lion. You need to look into missing 411 a little more.
In the past 100 years, in North America, there have been 27 deaths documented. I HIGHLY doubt a mountain lion had anything to do with his disappearance.
def was not a mountain lion. sorry. there would of been proof. there was talk that it could of been a bear. there was bear tracks. but not everyone knows but what happened there, only they know. i don't think it was the parents.
Where would his boots be? Theywould have fallen off for sure since they were oversize.
No update...cold case?
Wait a second I just remembered that the friend said that the boy was playing in the fire pit when the grandfather wasn't even paying attention if you watch missing 411 it's all there 😳
No I was wondering why they don’t question that guy that wasn’t famly until he tells the truth
So sad 😔
none of this makes any sense! why would you have to guys who were drinking,1 stranger and a sick looking grandpa to watch a 2 year old boy who is mobile.
Poor sweet baby. I would have never left my child with anyone but myself on a camping trip. Relative or not. Maybe if he were 10 yrs older maybe. And I sure would not have left that camp ground until he was found. I couldn't. God help them all.
Vicky Russell - even one step further. Why take a two year old into the woods to camp? Especially if you are going to walk away and leave the baby alone, supposedly with a sick & elderly grandfather who wasn’t “all there” mentally.
I am interested in what happened at the store they visited that day. Was someone there that had sinister thoughts and followed them up there?
That crossed my mind as well. But they said no one at the store remembers seeing a child so...
If no one was really watching DeOrr, could he have quietly slipped into the water?
Dave palisides does a story on his missing 411 that covers this story and many others in this area
I’ve read a lot of comments from a year ago I truly believe the grandfather was not all there possibly mentally unable to understand what had happened and to have to leave this world with such horrific guilt must have be horrible I don’t think he had anything to do with the child’s disappearance. I hope one day the truth comes to light so baby door can sleep in peace with God
If this is genuine. Lab. results pls. Human remains, animal? Age?
No matter what, these parents need to be held responsible. WHO LOSES A TWO YEAR OLD???? It was their responsibly to not only look after him but to protect him...and they clearly FAILED!! They don’t deserve to be parents if they can’t look after their child. I have two children and you can bet your A$$, I’d never lose my child nor shift responsibility onto an old grandfather. They have to know what happened to this child.
How do we loose babies?
I I know that Reverend Donna has done a reading on this couples little boy and she says a bear had taken him and there will be remains there to find if they really search hard enough they will find them in this Bear’s Den or something she’s been correct on most cases so I would take this for real and go search where she says................kim🇬🇧
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Similar to one of experience after 5yrs of a missing women I've been concerned about...
KTVB so what was the outcome of this discovery?
It was reported his dogs hit on an animal bone, not human.
Sad, so sad
So sad,,, surly the littleman couldn’t have walked off on his own? And if that is the case surely to god he wouldn’t have gotten that far on those little legs,,, I myself would have been frantic searching for him...
Little legs can walk faster and longer than you think. I had a toddler (she is 6 now) that woukd REFUSE to sleep for days on end. She just wanted to go and go and go.
Just think about how much kids fight sleep. I know mine was a little different than others, but they all fight sleep. Some fall and cry, and others get up and keep going.
I'm totally believing that a toddler can go farther than we think. A lot of tots are found well beyond what think adults think they can do, alive and deceased in the mountains and woods.
Dont underestimate them. They are amazing little people. They don't know what they are doing, but not all is scary to them like it is us adults.
@@salmonjanet True...My son was about 2 and I quietly followed him through the trees for about a half hour ...
He just kept going like the energizer bunny...with....
No fear of the bush at all.....
@@Bruno-nf6vj omg!!! That's crazy and amazing to me at the same time!
What was the end result of that?... If you don't mind me asking?
@@salmonjanet I had to catch up quick, he was nearing the edge of a small river....I was done watching !
He's 12 now and we still go out into grizzly country and sleep in a tent....
He fears nothing and has respect for nature...
So is it deorr or?
The parents had something to do with it. I think he got ahold of drugs or something. I mean in the documentary the grandma says she asked her daughter if she had something to do with it- why would you ever do that unless it was a possibility. The mother acted way too strange not wanting any publicity.
So what did the Dogs find? That would be the update!
They most likely probably found nothing to do with the case about this little boythe key factor is they took dogs up there when the boy disappearedand they didn't even pick his sent up at the campground think about it people think hard about it it's a cover-up the laws covering it up the parents are covering it up everybody is covering up
If there was a body that little boy up there in a grave that s*** would have been plastered all over national TV newspapers the second they found out
a lot of speculation.. can we have some confirmed findings?
I've Watched it all. I truly believe, Something happened When he was with his Grandfather. Look Sometimes when you take your eyes off your child, In seconds Things changed. I think the Grandfather's friend knows , but Her Beloved Grandfather was maybes forget full.
That kid was taken just like the thousands every year...
Made me sick when people were thinking parents did it...they just dont give that vibe.
Spoted Chris watts as soon he open mouth.
I don’t think the parents are involved either. Sad situation.
I do not believe isaac is innocent. He never directly answers the question as to whether he was responsible for this. He just says "I'm aware of that." An innocent person would VEHEMENTLY deny guilt and loudly proclaim their innocence which he never did that I saw. Side notes: Mom says that baby is very attached to his parents, won't leave their side, yet instead of bringing him, they left him with a sick old man and perfect stranger who they didn't trust OR get good vibes from (in fact Jessica said she saw red flags in issac from the start.) Why would you leave your baby with a creepy man you don't know? There's something weird about that. Whenever I lose something, which has been dozens of times, I ask Holy Spirit to help me find it and he does. He knows and sees everything and whatever is hidden will eventually come to light. I asked Holy Spirit to reveal to me what happened and I feel an impression that Issac did something evil to the little boy when he had the chance... just the old helpless grandpa there. Issac said he went back to sleep after breakfast, the same as babys naptime. I believe he took the baby's hand telling him, let's go take a nap, brought him to his tent (for a deviant sexual urge), covered his mouth so he wouldn't scream, baby suffocated or was strangled. He could have rolled his tiny body up in a sleeping bag, put him in his truck or in a cooler and could have left before anyone would have known. (Remember there were 2 trucks.) Apparently he was not participating in the search but stayed in his tent. Most of all, mother said she saw red flags in Issac from the start.. he was resentful the baby was there, he rudely wakes them in the morning by knocking on their van window...plus she even directly said she thought issac had something to do with baby's disappearance. Grandfather also said he wouldn't trust isaac to watch the baby or to not steal money from him. Issac was acting suspicious to me in interviews and was wearing a shirt with a big black demon on the front during the interview. Never a good sign spiritually. He also claims not to remember a lot which to me is an excuse. I also heard somewhere that issac had kiddie porn on his computer. I wasn't there and can't say for sure but these are the honest impressions I feel from Holy Spirit. Believers in the Lord Jesus, let's all agree in prayer this case be resolved quickly and that all evil deeds done in secret be exposed in the name of Jesus.
I think deorr was accidentally ran over by father when he and his wife left for town after breakfast....they say they took baby .. but not taken into convenient store. If ran over they could have buried him on the way into town miles away from campsite. I dont think it was abduction, nor animals due to no speck of clothing, boots, or jacket found. The parents know something and were probably afraid they'd be charged for negligence, illegal drug use, etc. So, they cya it instead of telling the truth.
Could be. I read that blood spatter was detected on a tire.
So how do you train a dog to hit on human remains 🤔. Mother in-law🤔
800,000 children a year america...800,000 a year.........we just going to sit by and watch.........
Without a body, this isn't news. Sadly.
Rest in peace 💔
Why didnt he use dogs there 4 years ago ..why now?
Debi Barrington i think they did but in a different area idk