Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut >>> Cool Laboratories Liquid Ultra There is a reason Conductonaut is the best, 75 Watts/meter-kelvin versus just ~40 on CLLU!
I'd say just get whatever is in stock. Conductonaut was out of stock so I went for liquid pro for this 9700k delid. Got an 8c reduction in max load temperature. I also used a direct die frame from rockit cool for that direct die cooling action.
@@marting2827 Nope. Anonymous and Anonymus are two completely different thing. Anonymous is the hacker group. Anonymus was a chronicler from the 13th century. Here is the wikipedia link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymus_(chronicler)
@Pc ColdWar no worries mine gpu is even cheaper 1050ti , 6-7 weeks of heatwave this summer had me downclock my gpu 27-31.celsius in the shade , no window helps on that :)
@Pc ColdWar u are right it ages badly the 1050ti but okay i got it cheap and it worked 18 months so jaer u get what u pay for , i just seen there are good prices on the rx series now nice launch price+games one is not made out of stone .here we have 25% vat tax on everything :(
@Pc ColdWar ty , selling and getting a used rx i can see the point and no trouble getting it sold i know already , my screen went black a week a'go so i'm on my old one 900p makes the gpu a beast ;) freesync monitor is what i've been looking at . i dont play esport well wows but not really , i just got kingdom come deliverance and it hesatates(input) on low settings at 60fps steady (vsync on) the gpu get's to around 48-50 degrees and when i play wows it shoot up to 55-58 but dosent hesitate with input. i run +640mhz on the ram because i knew about the 128bit bus it also oc's it self when doing so , i can see in gpu tweak core's goes to 1898 mhz when at 100%. well i'm getting a new monitor freesync and a used 4 core cpu to swap in , then i will see about the gpu for dec-jan. it is also a quistion of finance. do u build pc's and sell them i thought it soundet like that earlyer??english is not my mother tung and i'm slow :)
Pretty sure this chip is around 500€ rather than 999€, but your point still stands, unless you were talking about another intel chip, in which case never mind lol
@@Neiva71 Agreed, I'm excited for 2019 and 2020, I wonder if Intel will switch from their ring fabric to their new mesh fabric to compete with AMD's Infinity Fabric. If they don't I believe AMD will have a good chance to do a lot of catch up.
@@Neiva71 I agree, all I was trying to say was that the ring design doesn't seem to scale as well as the infinity fabric when increasing core count, at least in regards to temperatures. The 7700k and 8700k both hit 5ghz overclocked and it doesn't seem like they were hitting 90 degrees consistently.
Brian, I really like your content, but replacing 240mm AiO with 240mm full Aluminium loop will give you marginal improvement at best. Put a proper 360mmx60mm copper loop, or add 360mm rad to that kit from EK. There is no reason to go with that specific liquid cooling kit over AiO if you don't add more radiators. Keep on the good work.
Yep. I'm running the same kit with 360 add on rad and gpu block. I couldn't imagine it without the extra rad but I can't break 5150 right now. Lapping and LM come next
For anyone considering doing this. Rockit Cool now sells a liquid paste that eats away the liquid solder very easily. Only takes a few minutes and only cost 5 bucks. No razer blade needed. Just let the paste do its thing then wipe it off. They even include some polish to clean / restore the shine to the die after the solder gets eaten away
Great video - have a 9900k arriving in a couple of days and was toying with the idea of delidding. After watching your presentation I have decided to hold my horses - at least for now........
Hey Brian, I love your content with all of the used pc parts hunts, used price to performance pc builds, and fixing broken pc components which is the reason why I follow your channel. I was wondering why you haven't made almost any content with used parts recently? The cod bo4 pc was a really good video, but besides that you haven't done almost any content on used pcs.
Looks like someone got a sub par 9900k. De8auer mentions the silicon is thicker due to the 'new' Intel soldering process to reduce risk of cracking the die... De8auer die sanding shows improvements but is it all worth it over having an 'easier' delided 8700k or a 2700x with custom cooler for 15% less performance for a lot less cost?
be careful what you wish for. i was fine with delidding myself. did my 8700k with a Bic shaving razor in about 30 seconds. but for those who arent brav (stupid!?) like me then solder is better than paste for sure
I had the same 2.5 volts in AIDA64. Something is not reading correctly with the bios or maybe the software needs an update because it seems to be correct in other temp monitoring software.
Cinebench scores I've noticed depends on how much processed you run, if you change task to live it jumps up what it should be at but you dont see the process work, only when it completes
mine is still stock, custom open loop with just a 420mm radiator with only 3 fans as push to cool the 9900k and a shunt-modded overclocked Titan V.... passed a bunch of back to back Timespy runs last night at 5.3 gHz 1.375v (still need to try dialing down the voltage to find the minimum stable point). Did I win the silicon lottery? This is in a Fractal Design Define R6 case, all panels on etc.
if anybody is having problems getting their cpu stable try this....set the long and the short power limits to something like 180 for short and 195 for long(could be called maintained power or something else) and the tjmax to something like 80 or 82. this will throttle the cpu a bit when it hits any of those limits but will run at full speed for 99% of stuff. games etc will run full speed and things like cinbench or video encoding might throttle down to 4.7-4.9ghz here and there but keeping the temps lower than about 80 will let you clock higher and still be stable. its kind of cheating but as long as it works why not? you should be able to get higher clocks and\or lower voltage with this trick.
i7 7700k (slight overclock) air cooler on thermal paste: 90 ° C Upgrade: i7 9700k same heatsink, excellent thermal paste: 99 ° C Upgrade: corsair h100x heatsink on liquid metal Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut: 59 ° C !! (in stress test) Maybe in the future I will delid but for now I am more than satisfied!
Can you put liquid metal on top of the CPU after delidding it, I mean between the liquid cooler and the lid of the CPU? It looked like you used regular thermal paste, I'm thinking about delidding my 8700k so that's why I'm asking. Also, what should I go with Liquid Pro or Thermal Grizzlie Conductonaut?
There are a lot more components that risk shorting when you use LM between the IHS and coldplate. Make sure your layer of LM is hella thin otherwise you'll wreck your components. Most techtubers use thermal paste because they swap out their components a lot, and paste is easy and safe to clean off.
As long as it's a stable oc and not thermal throttling a couple degrees drop should not affect how the cpu performs (changes in Cinebench Score) assuming everything else is the same. or is there anything else that affects it besides variables of multiple run of the test(which could be significant as far as Cinebench goes taking into consideration different mobos as demonstrated by GamersNexus)? Great video as always. cheers...
Hey Brian, quick question about overclocking. If I am using my PC mostly for gaming how would you recommend I test the overclock, using only in game benchmarks or to use something like cinebench or firestrike until I get the highest value? Thanks in advance.
@@BloodBoughtMinistries Ya stress testing isn't what I was asking about, sure you can just start overclocking and hope to get the highest framerate possible because it happens to be the highest stable overclock, but that doesn't accurately reflect the highest possible framerate. For example when adjusting memory timings and frequency you have to ask the question if you want a lower frequency and tighter timings or vice versa in order to achieve the highest fps, simply stress testing won't answer that question for you. I would say stress testing is good for ballpark testing and at the very end of an overclock, but I'm asking about a more in depth overclock.
So how does the delid work, don't you have to heat it to release the solder, presumably a low temperature solder, and could the low temperature solder be removed using a temperature controlled station and wick?
I think die was not smooth enough before liquid metal, one or several cores had hotspots. You can sand it a bit to completely remove solder, 1/10 of mm is plenty safe, cpu is on other side. Also did IHS sit tight, silicone removed?
Yes. Please make this i9 to 5.1 GHz stable. It will be interesting, I know that other youtubers already did that but you always show more realistic perspective.
Hey there... nice vids. I used the same liquid metal and it got stuck to my cpu cooler after approximately 3-4 months. It was little bit hard to pull it out and now the cooler and the cpu has some marks on it. I couldn`t scratch it all out. The temps were really low but after that.... I didn`t want to put it on again. Is there an explanation or did someone make the same experience? (and no...it`s not alluminium. My cooler is copper nickel)
LM diffuses to copper... the stains are copper-gallium alloy which is 150W/mk makes a smoother thermal conduction surface. The recommendation is to add more LM to compensate the diffused gallium. The hard stuff you scratched were Iridium+tin from the LM that did not diffused.
lap the silicon down using a diamond plate and surface grind the ihs , thinner the better. sooner the heat is taken away the lower the temps will be. so keep it all thin.
what about a pre warm up using a fan with no mounts just sitting on the cpu to warm up the solder to 90c =194f melting point (183 °C or 361 °F) so the solder is soft enough so once the pc shuts down take the paper weight off the fan pop the cpu out put it into the der8auer to make it easier to delid less of a chance for it to break. then use a soldering iron instead of a razor blade or sand paper because i broke two 50 dollar x5470's using sand paper no bigy. do you guys think a soldering iron would work better?
I like the FLAPS on the cooler that has " gaming " printed on the box ! This proofs it ! " gaming " stuff does increase FLAPS by 100% ! Thanks for testing this ! XD
Task manager go to details and run propriety high or real time, sometimes real time will look like PC froze but it's actually running cinebench. Wait it out and see score
Ughm!? Can someone explain the BSOD (blue screen of death) on a AiO? I recently bought Kraken x52, will that even be able to keep it cold? Jesus christ... thats insane if the cpu insantly dies if you have the H100i Pro
I've an x4 860k...I overclocked it to 4.2ghz...but temps are 85c now, will it be an issue...is it normal for the processor...I've a custom case with lots of fans and cooler master cooler for cpu...plz help me techyes
try to put 560 rad in that loop and see what that does to temps. id imagine that it will take off thermal limit from coolers side and show what cpu is capable of
im hitting 2183 in cinebench overclocked @ 5ghz with a i150 pro only problem is my computer will shut down after two hours of gaming because the heat from the vega64 within my case overheats the cpu
Dude what a freakin sketchy process getting the STIM off the die. I kept thinking you were going to slip and cut your self with the blade (but if you did it would most likely be at the beginning of the video or thumbnail). But, when you were doing that I started to think of a hot air solder station (we use them at work to heat up components that are BGA) but then I was thinking of the temps you would have to reach in order to melt the solder. I'm wondering If heating up the die to 325 to 350c would damage the CPU even though the heat source is external and not internal? I mean sure you would pre heat the CPU at 200c for a minute and raise the temp slowly, but would the STIM melt enough in 20 seconds or so under the IHS and not damage the die?
91 degrees still seems too hot to be running your CPU imo. I don't like my parts running hotter than 80 degrees. Rather than using a razor blade to remove the solder could you heat up the solder and remove it, or would that damage the CPU?
People often do use heat to soften the solder, BUT it's a lot easier to heat it up when you aren't using your hands to delid. As he was using a bench vice to delid the chip he just went with the metal fatigue method, whereby bending a metal aligns the molecular structure of the metal making it super brittle so it just snaps off.
Also, if your rad is at 27 degrees on the exterior then it's safe to assume that fluid temps weren't too far from that mark. For water cooling, any fluid temp over 25c is WAY too hot. Especially if you are trying to overclock. Yet more proof that you were being held back by the loop.
I am waiting for my 8700k to arrive. Once I saw the videos on the poor quality solder and the much thicker substrate that does not conduct heat well, I knew to avoid the 9700k.
@@Neiva71 Shit I am stuck between the 8086K and the 9900K , I do music production and RED Raw video editing. I just bought the 8086K with the Z370 E , But I want to return it for the 9900K, Should I get a new motherboard to or just keep what I have. I need both single core and multi core speeds. I am coming from the i7-980x. ahhhhh i dont know what to do.
I get 4366 in Cinebench with my stock (turbo boost to 5k) 9900k I got 2 days ago. It idles at 26c ..I think it got up to 50c running Cinebench.. Just FYI
Just a question, pls and kindly dont mind!!! Why not just use mercury instead of all the blades,cutting and risks. The Hg will melt all the solder and will give u a bright shine if used and done properly!!! I think people also call it quicksilver!!! Try it my man, results will speak 4 itself!!!!!
All of them are. No need to delide it, they run not as hot as this i9 one. I wander... What will Intel do with the next 14nm refresh? Maybe direct contact cooler?
Looking at the bad solder from intel on the 9900k, i feel we where better with the toothpaste tim on the previous generations, at least with those cpus delidding could give us substantial temp drops but as this 9900k comes with solder, it is hard to remove the solder of the die which makes delidding pointless. I feel the best case would have been a non soldered 9900k with liquid metal under the ihs could have stopped it under 85c on all cores, that inability to remove the solder properly kills all the delidding performance. But if intel used tim on 9900k then it might not have post stable numbers even on stock clocks. Intel is such a big company, i dont understand why they dont take heat dissipation of the cpu die seriously.
Thing that you even can delid without heating to melt solder sounds like its done badly. Der8auer has delidded ryzens, he said he broke many of them before he successfully delidded one, and there was much less temperature improvement than 9900k. That tells soldering is better done on amd.
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut >>> Cool Laboratories Liquid Ultra
There is a reason Conductonaut is the best, 75 Watts/meter-kelvin versus just ~40 on CLLU!
ThermalRight Silver king have 79 W/MK
Lol 1c better
@@Johnny87Au i think 3 or 4C and have around same price than thermal Grizzly...
I'd say just get whatever is in stock. Conductonaut was out of stock so I went for liquid pro for this 9700k delid. Got an 8c reduction in max load temperature. I also used a direct die frame from rockit cool for that direct die cooling action.
Derb8uer proved that the CPU die is actually ticker and if is not sanded it won't make a big difference when delided.
it makes about 6 degrees, which isnt worth. intel is just a bunch of scums
*der8auer, *thicker, *delidded
@@blackx38 anonymous*
@@marting2827 Nope. Anonymous and Anonymus are two completely different thing. Anonymous is the hacker group. Anonymus was a chronicler from the 13th century. Here is the wikipedia link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymus_(chronicler)
@@blackx38 What about the Animus?
in scandinavia we just put our tower next to a window and open it no need for water cooling or nitrogen only glowes and a hat etc :)
@Pc ColdWar no worries mine gpu is even cheaper 1050ti , 6-7 weeks of heatwave this summer had me downclock my gpu 27-31.celsius in the shade , no window helps on that :)
@Pc ColdWar u are right it ages badly the 1050ti but okay i got it cheap and it worked 18 months so jaer u get what u pay for , i just seen there are good prices on the rx series now nice launch price+games one is not made out of stone .here we have 25% vat tax on everything :(
@Pc ColdWar ty , selling and getting a used rx i can see the point and no trouble getting it sold i know already , my screen went black a week a'go so i'm on my old one 900p makes the gpu a beast ;) freesync monitor is what i've been looking at . i dont play esport well wows but not really , i just got kingdom come deliverance and it hesatates(input) on low settings at 60fps steady (vsync on) the gpu get's to around 48-50 degrees and when i play wows it shoot up to 55-58 but dosent hesitate with input.
i run +640mhz on the ram because i knew about the 128bit bus it also oc's it self when doing so , i can see in gpu tweak core's goes to 1898 mhz when at 100%.
well i'm getting a new monitor freesync and a used 4 core cpu to swap in , then i will see about the gpu for dec-jan.
it is also a quistion of finance.
do u build pc's and sell them i thought it soundet like that earlyer??english is not my mother tung and i'm slow :)
good old intel, still burning hot because of die to IHS issues
but who would risk a 999€ chip ?
Pretty sure this chip is around 500€ rather than 999€, but your point still stands, unless you were talking about another intel chip, in which case never mind lol
It's 670€ here. Can Buy 2x Ryzen 7 2700X and a Mainboard for that...
@@Neiva71 Agreed, I'm excited for 2019 and 2020, I wonder if Intel will switch from their ring fabric to their new mesh fabric to compete with AMD's Infinity Fabric. If they don't I believe AMD will have a good chance to do a lot of catch up.
@@Neiva71 I agree, all I was trying to say was that the ring design doesn't seem to scale as well as the infinity fabric when increasing core count, at least in regards to temperatures. The 7700k and 8700k both hit 5ghz overclocked and it doesn't seem like they were hitting 90 degrees consistently.
@@W4NN1 wow O_O
13:54 That 2.256V is a software misread right?
There's no way a 14 nm cpu will run at those voltages.. that is a software issue for sure. That's insta kill CPU voltage.
@@algarrefardi3560 Deja vu haha. That being said, i asked just to get some kind of confirmation.
@@algarrefardi3560 Nice copy paste
@@MrSham3less yea ofc i told it as a joke to him coz he answered his own question. thats why he said deja vu.R/facepalm
Supposed to be 1.125V
Brian, I really like your content, but replacing 240mm AiO with 240mm full Aluminium loop will give you marginal improvement at best. Put a proper 360mmx60mm copper loop, or add 360mm rad to that kit from EK. There is no reason to go with that specific liquid cooling kit over AiO if you don't add more radiators. Keep on the good work.
Yep. I'm running the same kit with 360 add on rad and gpu block. I couldn't imagine it without the extra rad but I can't break 5150 right now. Lapping and LM come next
your'e a brave man delidding such an expensive soldered cpu in a bench vise lol! more power to ya :)
Chip was provided for him most likely, brave is a bit of a reach.
Ðavз I mean he got it for free
The better question is, would you dellid a $1000 Pentium (core i1) dual core w/ 4threads @5ghz??!!!
free cpu or not.. i think Brian knows the value of it.. i mean if he breaks it he is unlikely to get another for free
Daaaamn, going all in! Although der8auer already showed inconsistency in the die thickness so you should sand it a little to avoid hot spots mate.
lovin' your recent vids Brian - kicking goals mate!
For anyone considering doing this. Rockit Cool now sells a liquid paste that eats away the liquid solder very easily. Only takes a few minutes and only cost 5 bucks. No razer blade needed. Just let the paste do its thing then wipe it off. They even include some polish to clean / restore the shine to the die after the solder gets eaten away
Double the CPU mounting montage double the fun
Great video - have a 9900k arriving in a couple of days and was toying with the idea of delidding. After watching your presentation I have decided to hold my horses - at least for now........
Great video my dude.
I got to respect the deliding with the vice. Good on ya mate.
2.304v??!! WHAT?
Oh, im not the only one that noticed that, what the fuck is wrong with that voltage!!!, its too damn high.
@@santi0797 There's no way a 14 nm cpu will run at those voltages.. that is a software issue for sure. That's insta kill CPU voltage.
That explains why it is so hot xd
calm down. AIDA is showing incorrect temps LOL
Wtf dude mine 6700k cpu is 4.8ghz and I have stock 240mm watercooler and getting max with aida 83 with all tests on
Hey Brian,
I love your content with all of the used pc parts hunts, used price to performance pc builds, and fixing broken pc components which is the reason why I follow your channel. I was wondering why you haven't made almost any content with used parts recently? The cod bo4 pc was a really good video, but besides that you haven't done almost any content on used pcs.
Its coming really soon, just the season of new parts has hit.
@@techyescityThanks for responding. I look forward to your next video, and keep up the good work.
Looks like someone got a sub par 9900k. De8auer mentions the silicon is thicker due to the 'new' Intel soldering process to reduce risk of cracking the die... De8auer die sanding shows improvements but is it all worth it over having an 'easier' delided 8700k or a 2700x with custom cooler for 15% less performance for a lot less cost?
You sir are a brave man!! No need for fancy delidding tool!!
be careful what you wish for. i was fine with delidding myself. did my 8700k with a Bic shaving razor in about 30 seconds. but for those who arent brav (stupid!?) like me then solder is better than paste for sure
I had the same 2.5 volts in AIDA64. Something is not reading correctly with the bios or maybe the software needs an update because it seems to be correct in other temp monitoring software.
"Is SOLDER Holding this CPU BACK!? "
No, the extra thick die is.
Cinebench scores I've noticed depends on how much processed you run, if you change task to live it jumps up what it should be at but you dont see the process work, only when it completes
I am 5.2GHz stable on all cores running a x72 Kraken with a Strix 390-E @ 1.385v
mine is still stock, custom open loop with just a 420mm radiator with only 3 fans as push to cool the 9900k and a shunt-modded overclocked Titan V.... passed a bunch of back to back Timespy runs last night at 5.3 gHz 1.375v (still need to try dialing down the voltage to find the minimum stable point). Did I win the silicon lottery? This is in a Fractal Design Define R6 case, all panels on etc.
*sees 9900K in a vice and screams*
derBauer has quickly become the darling of techtubers, justifiably so. I followed him already when he still only did his videos in German.
Pro tip - wet the inside lip of the tubing and outer lip of fitting and getting the tubing on snugly will be much easier.
if anybody is having problems getting their cpu stable try this....set the long and the short power limits to something like 180 for short and 195 for long(could be called maintained power or something else) and the tjmax to something like 80 or 82. this will throttle the cpu a bit when it hits any of those limits but will run at full speed for 99% of stuff. games etc will run full speed and things like cinbench or video encoding might throttle down to 4.7-4.9ghz here and there but keeping the temps lower than about 80 will let you clock higher and still be stable. its kind of cheating but as long as it works why not? you should be able to get higher clocks and\or lower voltage with this trick.
Hey yes lets get a PC test bench. We need it often here
i7 7700k (slight overclock) air cooler on thermal paste: 90 ° C
Upgrade: i7 9700k same heatsink, excellent thermal paste: 99 ° C
Upgrade: corsair h100x heatsink on liquid metal Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut: 59 ° C !! (in stress test)
Maybe in the future I will delid but for now I am more than satisfied!
Scratch the hardened silicone of the substrate improves temps changing the distance between IHS and die.
Happy holloween 7:20!
Can you put liquid metal on top of the CPU after delidding it, I mean between the liquid cooler and the lid of the CPU? It looked like you used regular thermal paste, I'm thinking about delidding my 8700k so that's why I'm asking. Also, what should I go with Liquid Pro or Thermal Grizzlie Conductonaut?
yes
There are a lot more components that risk shorting when you use LM between the IHS and coldplate. Make sure your layer of LM is hella thin otherwise you'll wreck your components.
Most techtubers use thermal paste because they swap out their components a lot, and paste is easy and safe to clean off.
Also, go for the Conductonaut. It's the top tier LM in the market right now.
Does this remind people of the time of the FX 9590? those temps are getting there.
Yes. Indeed.
yes, but this has at least top performance
As long as it's a stable oc and not thermal throttling a couple degrees drop should not affect how the cpu performs (changes in Cinebench Score) assuming everything else is the same. or is there anything else that affects it besides variables of multiple run of the test(which could be significant as far as Cinebench goes taking into consideration different mobos as demonstrated by GamersNexus)? Great video as always. cheers...
Hey Brian, quick question about overclocking. If I am using my PC mostly for gaming how would you recommend I test the overclock, using only in game benchmarks or to use something like cinebench or firestrike until I get the highest value? Thanks in advance.
@@BloodBoughtMinistries Ya stress testing isn't what I was asking about, sure you can just start overclocking and hope to get the highest framerate possible because it happens to be the highest stable overclock, but that doesn't accurately reflect the highest possible framerate. For example when adjusting memory timings and frequency you have to ask the question if you want a lower frequency and tighter timings or vice versa in order to achieve the highest fps, simply stress testing won't answer that question for you. I would say stress testing is good for ballpark testing and at the very end of an overclock, but I'm asking about a more in depth overclock.
What is with you CPU voltages man????
So how does the delid work, don't you have to heat it to release the solder, presumably a low temperature solder, and could the low temperature solder be removed using a temperature controlled station and wick?
Whats with the audio clipping in the last few videos?
I think die was not smooth enough before liquid metal, one or several cores had hotspots. You can sand it a bit to completely remove solder, 1/10 of mm is plenty safe, cpu is on other side.
Also did IHS sit tight, silicone removed?
Still not sure if i should pull the trigger on a 9900K or wait for the 9900X next month and go X299.
Was it pretty tough getting it delidded with that vice? Just was wondering if I can still do it with my delid tool or not?
Yes. Please make this i9 to 5.1 GHz stable. It will be interesting, I know that other youtubers already did that but you always show more realistic perspective.
Hey there... nice vids. I used the same liquid metal and it got stuck to my cpu cooler after approximately 3-4 months. It was little bit hard to pull it out and now the cooler and the cpu has some marks on it. I couldn`t scratch it all out. The temps were really low but after that.... I didn`t want to put it on again. Is there an explanation or did someone make the same experience? (and no...it`s not alluminium. My cooler is copper nickel)
LM diffuses to copper... the stains are copper-gallium alloy which is 150W/mk makes a smoother thermal conduction surface. The recommendation is to add more LM to compensate the diffused gallium. The hard stuff you scratched were Iridium+tin from the LM that did not diffused.
lap the silicon down using a diamond plate and surface grind the ihs ,
thinner the better.
sooner the heat is taken away the lower the temps will be.
so keep it all thin.
Does the 9900k still use sillicone or SOLDER once you remove the IHS ???
what about a pre warm up using a fan with no mounts just sitting on the cpu to warm up the solder to 90c =194f
melting point (183 °C or 361 °F)
so the solder is soft enough so once the pc shuts down take the paper weight off the fan pop the cpu out put it into the der8auer to make it easier to delid less of a chance for it to break.
then use a soldering iron instead of a razor blade or sand paper because i broke two 50 dollar x5470's using sand paper no bigy.
do you guys think a soldering iron would work better?
Do we know when the i3-9350K will be available in the retail market ?
did you reglue the cover of the cpu with some adhesive?
I like the FLAPS on the cooler that has " gaming " printed on the box ! This proofs it ! " gaming " stuff does increase FLAPS by 100% !
Thanks for testing this ! XD
that music is dope! @7:38
When you have liquid cooling, you can put the block on the cpu without the ihs, right?
No
More then 2volts on vcore? is that right on more then one program? i see at least on two dif software.
I’d love to see a video on OC settings on the Maximus xi with the i9 9900k. I can’t seem to get mine past 5hgz
Since it now soldered, it that needed to delid??
Task manager go to details and run propriety high or real time, sometimes real time will look like PC froze but it's actually running cinebench. Wait it out and see score
Isn't delidding a standard for Intel lately?
Go crazy with that CPU !!!!
How did you get 8A64 to show temperatures when I run a stress test there is no icon it so show system temps
ThAnks mate good vid. FYI Just checked out the Z390 link but they don't ship to Oz.
Ughm!? Can someone explain the BSOD (blue screen of death) on a AiO? I recently bought Kraken x52, will that even be able to keep it cold? Jesus christ... thats insane if the cpu insantly dies if you have the H100i Pro
I've an x4 860k...I overclocked it to 4.2ghz...but temps are 85c now, will it be an issue...is it normal for the processor...I've a custom case with lots of fans and cooler master cooler for cpu...plz help me techyes
try to put 560 rad in that loop and see what that does to temps. id imagine that it will take off thermal limit from coolers side and show what cpu is capable of
Can confirm the phantom gaming 9 is a rock solid Mobo
brian the best of the best many thanxs
im hitting 2183 in cinebench overclocked @ 5ghz with a i150 pro only problem is my computer will shut down after two hours of gaming because the heat from the vega64 within my case overheats the cpu
Dude what a freakin sketchy process getting the STIM off the die. I kept thinking you were going to slip and cut your self with the blade (but if you did it would most likely be at the beginning of the video or thumbnail). But, when you were doing that I started to think of a hot air solder station (we use them at work to heat up components that are BGA) but then I was thinking of the temps you would have to reach in order to melt the solder. I'm wondering If heating up the die to 325 to 350c would damage the CPU even though the heat source is external and not internal? I mean sure you would pre heat the CPU at 200c for a minute and raise the temp slowly, but would the STIM melt enough in 20 seconds or so under the IHS and not damage the die?
Have you ever bricked Mobo by downgrading bios
91 degrees still seems too hot to be running your CPU imo. I don't like my parts running hotter than 80 degrees.
Rather than using a razor blade to remove the solder could you heat up the solder and remove it, or would that damage the CPU?
People often do use heat to soften the solder, BUT it's a lot easier to heat it up when you aren't using your hands to delid. As he was using a bench vice to delid the chip he just went with the metal fatigue method, whereby bending a metal aligns the molecular structure of the metal making it super brittle so it just snaps off.
Make sure you do this with a tech yes vice a razors
As someone with Diabetes, its hilarious to me that the TIM comes inside of an insulin syringe lol
What is up with the 2.3V vcore reported by hwinfo and aida64?XD
LN2 next ?
So you didnt figure out why it was throttling under tj max? Weird
My h100i push pull noctua nf12s no issues at 5ghz 1.3v 91c prime 95 otherwise 65 to 70 gaming.. so idk what to tell ya
3:59 Holy mackarel Batman, what's that next gen graphics card!?
Did you censor the word death?
use a hairdryer to soften up the hoses makes them much easier to get on
Just keep in mind that you were loading 200+ watts into an aluminium loop with a single 240 rad. (Which I think is only rated for something like
Also, if your rad is at 27 degrees on the exterior then it's safe to assume that fluid temps weren't too far from that mark. For water cooling, any fluid temp over 25c is WAY too hot. Especially if you are trying to overclock. Yet more proof that you were being held back by the loop.
I am waiting for my 8700k to arrive. Once I saw the videos on the poor quality solder and the much thicker substrate that does not conduct heat well, I knew to avoid the 9700k.
You won't be unhappy mate, I'm running a used 6600K and even with a mild air-cooled overclock its a beast for gaming.
@@Neiva71 Shit I am stuck between the 8086K and the 9900K , I do music production and RED Raw video editing. I just bought the 8086K with the Z370 E , But I want to return it for the 9900K, Should I get a new motherboard to or just keep what I have. I need both single core and multi core speeds. I am coming from the i7-980x. ahhhhh i dont know what to do.
9900k runs hot. 9700k doesn't.
@@germanikolaasget the 9900k, but make sure you're running a 360mm AIO.
Yes to the air con video xD
Will never be as good as the 7nm process chips coming out in mid 2019 from AMD.
lol, only 1% faster for the same price, rekt.
Lies
I get 4366 in Cinebench with my stock (turbo boost to 5k) 9900k I got 2 days ago. It idles at 26c ..I think it got up to 50c running Cinebench.. Just FYI
I’m going to be buying a 9900k and deliding it would you guys recommend a aftermarket ihs
You looped the same footage twice when putting block on.
Just a question, pls and kindly dont mind!!!
Why not just use mercury instead of all the blades,cutting and risks.
The Hg will melt all the solder and will give u a bright shine if used and done properly!!!
I think people also call it quicksilver!!!
Try it my man, results will speak 4 itself!!!!!
Does anyone know if the x5680 LGA 1366 comes soldier?
All of them are. No need to delide it, they run not as hot as this i9 one.
I wander... What will Intel do with the next 14nm refresh? Maybe direct contact cooler?
A *gaming fluid* ?
Looking at the bad solder from intel on the 9900k, i feel we where better with the toothpaste tim on the previous generations, at least with those cpus delidding could give us substantial temp drops but as this 9900k comes with solder, it is hard to remove the solder of the die which makes delidding pointless. I feel the best case would have been a non soldered 9900k with liquid metal under the ihs could have stopped it under 85c on all cores, that inability to remove the solder properly kills all the delidding performance. But if intel used tim on 9900k then it might not have post stable numbers even on stock clocks. Intel is such a big company, i dont understand why they dont take heat dissipation of the cpu die seriously.
Can you extreme overclocking with dry ice or better Nitrogen or Helium !!
Thing that you even can delid without heating to melt solder sounds like its done badly. Der8auer has delidded ryzens, he said he broke many of them before he successfully delidded one, and there was much less temperature improvement than 9900k. That tells soldering is better done on amd.
Only on Tech YES City where you will see a 9900k getting delidded by a vice
You could use a 360 or 420 radiator
Can I get some Tech Yes lovin?
Immediate pin
Where is the pinned comment about receiving some tech yes loving.
i was drunk as hell when I delidded my 9600k. it went perfectly fine. razer blade +2000grit to get the solder away
OwO that cut when you said the blue screen of death become blue screen of Dee
Theres a little bump in performance but not that much
Aida64 is some avx if your set avx offset then that's the drop in speed
Oh god .... Handling a water reservoir on top of PSU? That's Linus grade.