@@lordofuzkulak8308Nah, anime doesn't count. Gotta be something live action so it's more purposefully edited. With anime people would just say "Well, that's cartoons for you."
There's a K-drama called Heirs, and in the first or second episode, the female lead goes to California to see her older sister. She just gets to a beach area and ends up dropping her luggage, having the contents spill out, including a large bag of white powder. A surfer bro runs by, scoops the bag, rips it open, and inhales. Immediately almost dies. Turns out it was soy flour, and homeboy has a soy allergy (he's the male lead's roomate). It was the funniest thing I'd seen in a drama. I was in tears because it caught me so off guard
Oh yeah definitely. Coming from a Chinese man, the western stereotype for east asian men is that we're either very stoic and serious or meek and weak lesser men due to our perceived "femininity" by western standards
Definitely. I've seen some guy say Asians couldn't fight a war because firing a gun needs strength, and East Asians don't have that. especially not women. Apparently he has not read a word of history.
@@De_Selbyor fired a gun for that matter. Can you imagine a gunfight where people were struggling to grip the guns hard enough to pull the triggers? 😂
I know simply asking the gender or pronouns of a person wasn't very acceptable at the time the show was filmed, but surely at least one of the writers should've thought to say it'd be far less weird to ask someone their gender than to grope them, right?
Also the walking in on someone changing to find out One show tried giving them a lot of fluids to see which bathroom they use and at that point I was like that's a step up by comparison
Literally could’ve just asked “hey are you a boy or a girl, sorry if that sounds rude.” And the problem would be solved without… idk… assaulting someone!?
Would like to say what Angela did at the end wasn’t just harassment, it was SA. She intentionally touched someone’s genitalia without consent. Most of the time she is my favorite character, but this was a truly horrendous thing for her to do, and smacks of the old, dangerously incorrect idea that women can’t be assaulters I think there’s also a discussion to be had that they used Angela as the vehicle for transvestigating Dr. Tanaka and crossing cultural lines, as not only the sole queer member of the main cast, but the sole Asian American member as well.
But, is Angela Asian American? Because there's also that scene where a Native American friend of hers is missing and she has a vision leading her to find her. There might've even been a red-tailed hawk cry when she did it. I haven't seen it in forever.
I mean… she hugged the person and their stick twitched… her hands never touched it and the person returned her hug. They didn’t pull back…. I don’t see it as SA. A little icky to “out” them when they clearly want to be ambiguous but… not SA. If they had stepped back and said no thank you to the hug, that would be different… but they didn’t. They enjoyed the hug and returned it. Angela does the same thing in another episode to feel Brennans breasts to confirm her suspicions that she’s pregnant… was that also SA? Brennan obviously doesn’t think so.
Worth noting that Bones was more than coded neurodivergent. The creators specifically intended her to be autistic. The studio wouldn't let them make it explicit. They intended to have a consultant to help them represent autism accurately, but since the studio said no, they couldn't and the representation ended up kind of clumsy.
I am autistic. Honestly never related to a character more than Bones in any other show. She has good intentions that are dismissed because of her bluntness and rigid ideals. I don’t think they did terribly in characterizing a woman on the spectrum who struggles with socializing to a high degree. I often think people don’t understand just how silly it is to not enjoy a culture that they’re fascinated with simply because social norms dictate that it is innappropriate. Either way I have to pretend I am not that interested or fascinated just to make others comfortable. Through Bones I see someone who can live with that expression with minimal pushback because people around her care about her.
Kind of clumsy fits any portrayal of autism since it' so diverse. I always point to Bones for a show that has a good representation of autism without beating you over the head with it. She is not defined by being an autist but her interpersonal issues are part of her character and growth throughout the series.
@@kittiemarie1235 um ... no one is saying "don't enjoy a culture you're fascinated with", there's a huge difference between cultural APPRECIATION versus cultural APPROPRIATION and using neurodivergence as an excuse to not learn the difference is, in fact, in appropriate. I am also autistic btw
@@Ramberta being enthusiastic about it comes off wrong to some people. That’s what I am saying. And the further on the spectrum you are the less people understand you it seems.
The music stings are hilarious because they have literally nothing to do with Japanese music. They barely resemble vaguely Chinese sounding musical styles, but only in the barest of sense. So they're not only being culturally insensitive but using musical stings from the complete wrong country that the Japanese have literally been at war with for like 75% of their recorded history.
It's the same with "oriental" music... the kind people associate with the dessert. The music usually has nothing in common with what music of the region really sounds like, but it's used because it's so widely recognizable by people who have heard it over and over that this is "arabic" or "oriental" music. It would be so easy to ask people who are experts in certain music styles... but they usually don't really care enough to go with anything authentic... it's kind of sad.
Instantly reminded of the meme that shows skulls labeled as "man, woman, black, white, Asian, etc." and then says "Not trying to make a point, just showing off my collection"
35:29 You were so peeved about everything else you didn't even point out that the brother asks "well, if she was a good girl, then what did she do to get killed?" As if it's her fault for being murdered
@SummerGhost-kg3zd I don't think that's to wierd a thing to say. I've definitely heard it said plenty of times before. Because you are wrong about your last statement, the vast majority of murders are crimes of passion which means they are in immediate response to a thing someone else, usually the victim, did. While it may sound sus in this context, it is a very normal question I think.
@@TheArtistKnownAsNooblet"crimes of passion" as in "My wife found out I was cheating to I killed her and all three of our children" "my neighbors boyfriend paid no attention to meand instead his wife so I poisoned his food" both of these are crimes of passion, neither of them are the victims at fault. Becuase that's what that quote means....that its the victims fault....and sir, are the dumest of them all.. And "crimes of passion" means what? That most murders revolve around sex? Because no they don't, you're categorically wrong about that too. You're just taking monumental L's today.
@@itsanoformedawg clearing up definitional misconceptions first, crime of passion doesn't have anything to do with sex. It means it's done in the heat of the moment as opposed to being planned out. It is essentially the opposite of a premeditated murder. Something happens to trigger a violent response of some kind in a person and someone else dies as a result of that. This is how the vast majority of murders happen which is why I chose to use it as my explanation (I also think the vast majority of premeditated murders have reasons they happen besides a persons mere existence but that would make this even longer to explain and so I chose to stick with this far larger bucket). And almost definitionally the reason the people were killed in this way is not merely that they existed. Now is this to say the victims are at fault for their murders? No and I never said that it was. I just said this is a fairly normal question to ask and only seems suspect because of it's proximity to other, worse, things. If someone were killed by the mob because victim robbed the mob and someone asked "what did this person do to get themselves killed" and someone else said 'they robbed the mob" neither of these people are blaming the victim. They are establishing motive. Which is what this question is actually about. In essence when someone asks "what did they do to get killed" they are actually asking "what did this person do to induce motive in their murderer".
@@itsanoformedawg I'm just realizing the "what did they do to get murdered? exist" is actually one of the replies and not the main comment I guess I accidentally made a normal comment instead of @ing them. And that makes my reply look a lot worse, whoops. This was meant as a reply to @Summer Ghost-kg3zd not OP and I'm changing that now to prevent further misconceptions.
im not surprised an american show in '08 got wrong, but sweets describing tanaka as "following a japanese concept known as kei" is so funny because "kei" just means "style"*. he basically said "its called 'fashion'--look it up" *(well literally it just means "lineage" its just used to mean style. japanese words can convey a lot in, but not really in this instance lmao)
They were refering to the music genre VISUAL Kei. It's a music subculture like goth, emo, punk, despite having "kei" iin the name. Look up bands like The Gazette, or Dir En Grey, or SEX ANDROID. And Kei has its own subgenres, like Oshare Kei, Tanbi Kei, Angura Kei, and Kote Kei.
In VK, a huge part of the culture is to be as androgynous as possible. There's a lot of drag styles in the genre, too, without it being specifically LGBTQ+, though it CAN be.
@@Blackberryfae The biggest VISUAL Kei band example is X Japan who are still rocking and have been since the 80s. I got to know the band because I became a Hide fan (deceased) who was the lead guitarist for X Japan and was front man for Spread Beaver (JP) after he went solo and was moving to front man of Zilch (US). He was found dead in 98 but if he had survived, he would have kicked ass. If you love metal, industrial rock from the 90s, you would love.
@@Blackberryfae What do you mean by "despite having 'kei' in the name"? OP is correct, kei (系) means something like "style" of "type" (in this context) and it's used in many different words I've never seen "visual kei" abbreviated to just "kei"
@@cheriremily9360 Uh, yeah, I've been a fan of the scene since 2004. I'm well aware of X Japan,, hide, and Yoshiki. You might like SEIKIMA II (seikimatsu) if you like metal, though. Onmyouza, too.
I feel the same way about true crime. Except that's turning real human suffering into fantasy and escapism. Being into true crime is such a red flag for me.
... this one featured an autistic coded woman who it took me a long time to realize that the story was slowly "fixing" her more than it "fixes" booth. See it's suuuper different and unique from all those other procedural shows which usually put the autistic coded character in the ensemble or have a man as the main autistic coded character.
Hi! Local here. Sometimes the Chesapeake bay bridge is closed due to inclement weather and you have to go the full way around the peninsula which can increase driving time by an hour or two. Hope this helps!
Came here to say I did have to driver around D.C once and it took over two hours to get into Maryland due to traffic (not through D.C AROUND IT). I would hope the FBI could get around that heavy ass traffic but if it's four lanes backed up it might still take awhile.
i deeply believe angela lied in the tanaka's last scene. she kept on insisting tanaka was a man so ofc she would claim that when no one could prove otherwise. and i sincerely doubt that any penis post teeneage age is THAT reactive to an unexpected hug
Ah, but that would go against her main character trait of being the Hot Bisexual Everyone Wants to Get With, something there are entire ongoing B-plots about at multiple points in the series. Even AFTER she and Hodgens get married and have a kid.
I don't know much about the show and Angela's truth vs lies record, but if she is taken at face value (which is how I and probably most others took it) then it's also playing into other racist tropes about Asian men being sexually repressed and therefore perverted and reactive to the slightest touch.
Headcanoning the conclusion for a gross B-plot for a (mostly)-different-kind-of-gross episode of a decade-old police procedural is not the kind of thing I'd encourage people to spend time on. But since you have, this _is_ a fun headcanon.
you know what gets me?... ignorance is a thing. But to make that episode the writers had to learn about that specific subculture and then decide they were going to use it in their show and make fun of it. This is worse to me than simply playing on stereotypes everyone knows about and that you never questionned, cause there had to be some sort of active process at some point and still the decision was made to be a shithead.
they're also supposed to be anthropologists that have an understanding of world cultures. Plenty of cultures include genderless identities so it's wild that they're so transphobic
@@Celandines hey so it's been a while since I've watched this, but first of all only Brennan is a Forensic anthropologist. The others are other scientists. She always has varying assistants though who are all anthropology students. One is called Clark I think and in some of his early episodes Brennan specifically uses his background in social (standard?) anthropology to put him down bc she believes it's inferior to the science for various reasons I don't recall (Clark somehow knows stuff about bones though). Funny thing though, she herself talks a lot about those more theoretical concepts to explain certain behaviours, at least at the beginning of the show. So yes they do make a distinction. I am confused by this though, I studied cultural + social anthropolgy for a while and our professor told it's it's not that separate in the US as it is in Europe? Or maybe the other way around but that doesn't make any sense bc in Europe it's VERY separate. I study Archaeology now and we literally had a forensic anthropology crash course which was very far from the theoretical stuff we did in social anthropology.
I don’t think anyone a part of that plot was in anthropology. Hodgins is the bug and dirt guy. Angela is the artist that is the non nerd of the lab. I don’t remember what Cam’s specialty was just that she was the director I think. Sweets is the psychologist which makes sense he seems to be the only one with a vague understanding of non cis identities existing but not too knowledgeable on other cultures to get it quite right. I don’t blame this group for not knowing about these things. I blame them for not being half decent people about this
@lindensalter6713 Cam is a pathologist, although she started as a regular surgeon I think? But idk I might confuse it with every other crime show. And the first director was a historian I think? Idk not something like that.
19:10 as a person into lolita fashion please don't associate the subculture with *that book*. it has nothing to do with it and just shares an unfortunate similar name. we just wanna dress in frills
I love the phrase "the genderless style in Japan called 'kei'" because that's literally like someone saying "there's this genderless American style called 'fashion'" 😂
Ah, the racist music stings. It's so tired. Watch any show set in Miami and there's going to be some aerial establishing shot of the city and, invariably, salsa music playing in the background.
Unpopular opinion... I don't think it's racist to play the songs that come from a culture when portraying areas that people from said culture congregate/live in. It's CRINGE to play "kungfu fighting" when showing China town or a traditional Chinese neighbourhood but I don't think it's the same as playing a piece of Mexican music or tunes when showing a Mexican neighbourhood.
@@nataliekhanyola5669 it is entirely reasonable (see, Vietnam war films) but a lot pf the time the musical stings aren't actually representative of the culture/area you are portraying. Of course then you get into the second layer of it where, esspecially in American television, the musical stings are used not because they are representative of what goes on in the area, but because all the other shows use them, so you use them to signify to your audience that this is in fact a particular place, rather than creating a new sting which might confuse the audience.
@@nataliekhanyola5669that's because it isn't racist lol. It's not even racist to play the music that your audience wrongly believes comes from that area, but which actually comes from the area that your intended area was at war with for hundreds of years (see: China and Japan) Inaccurate =/= racist
I genuinely expected this video to be about that episode. It’s been years since I watched the show and remember a lot of the weird junk but not everything. Like the insane focus on voodoo on the episode to do with hurricane Katrina
@@silja6838 no worries, funny thing is I responded to that video asking about this episode which I guess she did a vid on it a while ago but it wasn't as involved?
I feel like that take both undersells how bad "The Girl in the Mask" covered in this video was, and discounts a lot of ways "The He in the She" was far more ahead of the curve in being tactful and respectful than this episode (despite it coming later in the season) and other shows of its ilk. Like, part of that is how low the bar was for the general tone of TV programming on matters of sex and gender at time, but it is also just a more elegant story and message that intentionally subverts the worst tropes instead of leaning into them like this one did.
@@ashdog9235yup before. they had a classic arab/muslim suspected terrorist and i think they were questioning his wife maybe? and they were SUPER hostile. then came the iranian muslim doctor later, which ratcheted up the racism and islamophobia to ELEVEN
The "kami of the skull" thing really got to me. I don't follow Shinto myself but I have enough knowledge of Japanese culture to know how ridiculous that is. According to Shinto, everything pertaining to death is a source of defilement (kegare), and touching any part of a dead body for any reason makes you unclean and require a purification ritual. As an aside, this is why professions that necessitated the handling of dead humans or animals were historically considered an untouchable caste, a discrimination that was officially abolished but which still ripples into the present day. The notion of a kami entering a skull after the human soul has left the body is patently absurd, as is the notion that a Shinto follower devout enough to claim to communicate with kami would willingly choose a profession that puts them in contact with dead bodies, let alone attempt to communicate with whatever spirit could be within said dead body, which if there was a spirit in there it would probably be a malevolent yokai and not a kami. So I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt of trying to respectfully portray Japanese culture here, it's definitely orientalist mystical spirituobabble, and it might've even been less offensive if they left out any references to Shinto and just made it a generic new-agey spiritual scene. Also, can we talk about Tanaka and Nakamura's accents? It sounds like regular English but with muddled Ls and Rs, as if they're putting on a stereotyped Japanese accent. This stereotype does have some truth in it, Japanese has a consonant that's sort of between L and R, and as such most native Japanese speakers have trouble with those sounds when they speak English, but I've found through my brief experience teaching English in Japan that they don't actually struggle with that as much as they do with the TH sounds (as do native speakers of most non-English languages for that matter). But while these actors' Ls and Rs are muddled, their THs are impeccable. It's jarring and unnatural, and it definitely reads to me as a put-on of the Western stereotype of "Japanese people can't say L or R" rather than authentically portraying the accent of someone whose first language isn't English.
Here's something neat! First person pronouns are gendered in the Japanese language, but third person pronouns are not. It's sooort of socially acceptable for women to use masculine pronouns, but there are gender neutral first person pronouns too. I kinda wish English did that.
Clarifying that gendered third person pronouns are a thing in Japanese, but they are rarely used, as frequently if it's understood who you're talking about you can drop the subject of a sentence entirely and if not then you'd normally just say their name. But yeah, I wish english had that too. A really nice moment in some Japanese stories about transgender characters is when the character changes which pronoun they use (in one really interesting one, the character changed the pronoun used constantly depending on context and mood, like whether speaking out loud or thinking to themselves)
It depends on the pronoun. 私 (watashi) is neutral in formal contexts with a slightly feminine lean in casual contexts. When read as Atashi, it's feminine regardless of context. 僕 (boku) has a masculine mean, but isn't entirely masculine. It's used primarily by younger men and women. 俺 (ore) is masculine, while the kansai 俺等 (ora) is neutral, they both are used exclusively in casual scenarios. As for third person pronouns, 彼 (kare) and 彼女 (kanojo) are both gendered. However, third person pronouns aren't all that common in Japanese since it's not abnormal to refer to people by name.
@@462nsome added context, changing first person pronouns isn't odd in Japan at all. Many men will use ore with their friends, but watashi in formal settings. First person pronouns do have gendered connotations, but they also differ based on social status, age, and context. Depending on whether you're using keigo (formal speech) or tameguchi (casual speech) the gendered connotations of certain pronouns may change.
Japanese language have first person pronouns for everything, not just gender. There's one for boys, one for rough women, one for people of high class, one for old people, one for stoic people, one for samurai, or even one for the emperor. A lot of them are acually just dialects from specific areas or cultures which got associate with certain demograph in fictions, so there can be a girl using boy's one or a youth using old people's one, here and there. So it's rather that there are butt load of first person pronouns and each has specific use or background connected with it. It's kinda like how accent works in English. It's just how people talk but you can also get a piece of identity from it.
Booth knowing anything about sweet lolita is very funny to me. I remember in the 2000s there was a deep fascination with harajuku and various subcultures in japan, especially with the english publishing of Fruits (the premiere alt fashion mag) but yah. It makes sense that if hes bee to japan, especially in tokyo, he would have seen these fashion movements. It should be stressed that lolita the fashion has very little to do with the book itself lmao. People misunderstand it all the time :/ Also "kei" is shorthand for a lot of styles, but the style tanaka looks like Visual Kei, that indeed values androgyny and was Extremely big in the 90s and 2000s. I saw them and it was like a blast from the past in a big way for me lmao
Lolita Fashion/Sweet lolita has nothing to do with the book, film or sex work just so you know. The fashion is very much dressing in opposition to the male gaze and sexualisation rather than for it. So that's another thing to add to the list of things this episode did poorly.
@@moonlighthowling666 "Lolita Fashion/Sweet lolita has nothing to do with the book" is just a false statement. It would be reasonable to argue that it's popularity in Japan is due to a rebellious/punk attitude among women. Trying to distance the name from its root is ridiculous. It exists in a culture where youthful expression is fetishised as an ideal of femininity, and attempts to subvert it.
@@cobalt49 The point is, the use of the word "Lolita" for the fashion is very tangential. Very few people that popularized its usage would have ever read the book or watched the movie. Just like how Japanese people eating KFC isn't on account of having strong feelings about Kentucky. It's basically a cross language loan-word. There's clear etymological drift at play. The connection still exists, but it's not definitional why it's popularly used.
@@cobalt49eh, no. The name was adopted before the book had been translated into Japanese. The idea that it was about a cute girl came first, and began to be used as an adjective for cute, innocent-looking girls. This includes a comic with an Alice look-alike being described as a lolita girl.
Was coming down here to clarify that, yet another thing this episode did dirty. Wish everyone would stop making weird sexual comments about us wearing cute dresses >.
At that point in time quite hard or unheard of in anything close to mainstream. It was another decade on before I even heard pronouns being a common thing to ask or give and another 5 years before I felt safe using my preferred ones. And, I still can't use them in specific places because people will not understand.
They could have just..... ASKED Dr. Tanaka for their preferred pronouns, instead of being fucking weird about it. "Hello Dr. Tanaka, may I please know your preferred pronouns, so that I may respect your wishes when conversing with you?" It's literally that simple. EDIT: lmao Lily called me out for cooking while listening to this episode
Yeah but here’s the thing, in 2000s via mid years before 2010s I’ve never saw anyone asked via pronouns lmao. I’m not surprised that the “science show” and ignorant of psychology and sociology just ignored that gender queer people existed. Like Brennan had a massive fucking issue with people who got themselves surgeries via breast or change their body. I’m not expecting some actual good writing here pertaining to the subjects at hand.
@@wjbushjr one of the characters suggesting just asking the Dr. We might not have had the same vocabulary 15 years ago, but the reasonable thing to do was suggested and ignored...
Love it when ppl think it’s less offensive to uncomfortably stare at trans (or androgynous) ppl, hyperfixate on their genitals, and/or touch them inappropriately than simply ask them what their gender and pronouns are 😭
I used to watch Bones with me mum when we sat down for dinner. There were always a lot of moments every episode that got me cringing, even for 'the times' it was released in, and Booth's character always made me hugely uncomfortable which isn't great for a main character of a crime show duo. It became apparent as we watched through the seasons that the consistent missteps weren't some aim at a character arc aka Booth starting off close minded, but through the power of friendship and meeting other people, he develops into a better person. That just never happened and the show actively seemed to support his poor religious conservatism takes. I eventually tapped out in the later seasons and just started eating dinner in my room haha.
Yeah, I hate Booth. His character is just so steeped in misogyny and hypocrisy. But, while Booth was the worst offender, they were *all* like that. Just small minded, people marinating in their narrow little world.
@@mittenista Yeah he was just awful throughout and never seemed to develop in meaningful ways. Bones was expected to become more 'feeling' as time went one but I never saw much change in Booth. And you're right, they were all pretty much the same overall. Sweets was always my favourite of a pretty bad bunch, but he at least ATTEMPTED to be the voice of reason, sadly the way he was written was obviously still going to go alone with the show writers oveall aims.
@@dr3dg352 I unnfortunately got the impression he shared a lotta the views of the show considering his participation as producer as well as main character.
I only watched Bones because Angel had ended and I needed my David Boreanaz fix, but Booth as a character was just a rehash of Law and Order SVU's Elliot Stabler, rendered slightly more tolerable by the fact that he was played by an actor I liked (and that he didn't spend several minutes of each episode physically assaulting innocent people to wring a false confession out of them). I realize now that I watched a lot of shows that made me uncomfortable because I had a crush on one of the actors (stared pointedly at Hugh Laurie as House).
At least the tin whistle is an actual irish instrument. Other times you'll hear bagpipes, followed by a shot of a town that remarkably doesnt run on any sort of electrical grid, and all the cars are from the 1960s AGHEM sonsofanarchy COUGH COUGH
Also its so funny to me that this whole gender side of the episode could have so easily been solved in 2024 by simply asking if the Dr had any preferred pronouns. Because that's a fine and normal thing to ask. Some folk really like to argue that asking about pronouns is too complicated, and yet would rather twist themselves in knots trying to work it out, when politely asking is a thing that exists.
@@Aryasvitkona There's a reason why he was one of the only characters I semi-enjoyed in this show, and it was because of stuff like that. Sadly he was also written to be as garbage as the rest too.
@@Aryasvitkona the fact that the writers *did* manage to write him having that suggestion and then didn't even consider him just going up to dr. tanaka and asking to get everyone else to Shut The Hell Up is honestly soo contrived
It’s the same reason in the Pat SNL skits they don’t just ask- it’s a cultural norm that implying someone is androgynous is an insult. That’s a stupid cultural norm but it’s a thing
It was like 40% procedural cop show 40% romantic tension and the last 20 is genuinely crazy. The worst nail in the coffin for them was when it did a crossover with Sleepy Hollow with real undead in the episode. Introducing magic to the show for one episode and confirming it then ignoring it forever. There was MULTIPLE serial killers with vendettas while filled with pseudoscience galore.
This show is nuts to the max... the serial killer thing is nothing compared to all the other nonsense that went on. One episode BEGINS with a shot of an opossum eating a human corpse's head. The FBI agent guy had a panic attack and illegally discharged his gun bc of his clown phobia. One of th scientist guys started a hot sauce company. The forensic artist lady's father is the guy from ZZ Top. The lab director adopted her boyfriend's daughter after he got eaten by a tiger at the city zoo. This show might be racist, homophobic and a lot of other stuff, but it was never boring and it never made a lick of sense.
@@mildlydazed9608You haven't seen anything yet. The show is based on a book series, and is produced by the series author. The YA spinoff books to that initial book series are about Brennan's great-niece who gets turned into a genetically altered wolf-person along with her friends. Who then use their heightened senses and increased strength to solve crime. 2010 was a great year to get literally anything published, I guess. The book is called "Virals" if you wanna fact check this. Apparently it did well enough to warrant 4 books after it in the series.
I watched ALL of this show, and ultimately it suffered the same fate as Castle, which is to say that it eventually lost anything that made it special and just turned the unique premise into another cop procedural. It lives and breathes based on the charisma of its cast. I did enjoy the character of Brennan but the show often made a point of making her out to be wrong even when she wasn't. Like, in the universe of Bones, the christian god and ghosts definitively exist, but Brennan herself is a very well-reasoned atheist who does not believe in ghosts due to lack of evidence. This contradiction causes the show to attempt to have its cake and eat it too, and it fails more often than it succeeds.
I find it very funny that every time you say Booth, the subtitles say "Boof". Not a judgement about the accent, more of a happy accident that makes me happy.
As someone who didn't know anything about Bones before watching this, the subtitles convinced me that Boof was his name. Even after reading the comments, I want to keep believing that he's Boof.
Sometimes when I watch one of the worse episodes it’s like being flash-banged because I always forget the show’s from the earlier 2000’s, so instead of just being like, regular offensive, it’s somehow offensive^3 and it kicked my cat on its way out.
@@rhinopoley Yeah. It's like talking to my wifes grandmother and hear the cassual F slur or n word, ripping me back into the early 70s when that was okay for some reason
The only thing that makes the "oriental sting" better is when they add the gong at the end just in case it wasn't noticeable and obnoxious enough already
I was confused why she was spending so long on this continuity error until I remembered this is the same woman who made a 10 hour long Harry Potter video ❤️ We stan an autistic queen
So- I'm not fluent in Japanese, ive been learning for ~5 years, but I do speak quite a bit and have done a significant amount of cultural education as part of my language learning. In japanese, typically, the speaker dictates their own pronouns, and there are gender neutral pronouns equivalent to they/them in English. It's also not uncommon for tomboyish girls to adopt a traditionally masculine pronoun for themselves.
Not me starting this video and wanting to see if anyone else has my gut reaction and trying to scroll through the comments for half the intro before realizing their was only two
WAit....why would you dump a body in the salt marshes? Isn't that extremely counter-productive? Salt marshes are apparently a type of biome with one of the slowest decomposition rates, probably due to the salt content. I think the only three biomes I can come up with which would be worse solutions for getting rid of a body would be a bog, a saline lake, or a brine pool. Edit: oh yeah, they make the corpses look so gruesome when that's really not how they decompose. I don't know why they make them look so bloody when blood oxidises. In the environment, bodies will turn into a very pale, somewhat beige colour, and they will not be bloody as they decompose. All of the bones they find are really gnarly, unrealistic props, although they would be good for recently skinned and/or decimated individuals, but for someone who's been decaying for a while just does not work.
I think the idea would be that the animals in the marshes would do most of the work of getting rid of the body for you, if the tides didn't just wash it out to sea, and all the containments would hide any trace evidence if anything survived intact.
@@jenm1 there's no real proof whether the name came from the themes of the book or just because early fashion wearers just thought it sounded cute. Lolita fashion is a street style with roots in the 1970s. the thought processes around lolita fashion weren't written down until after the name was already decided upon, around 10 years later.
I watched a couple of episodes years ago. The one thing I remember is how the titular character started a fight in a predominantly black music club for saying something racially insensitive. The way the scene depicted the black people taking offence from her words was bad enough before she kicked one through a panel and we were supposed to see it as "badass". No, 'Bones', it was in hindsight just ass.
I should note that the lolita style is moreso about the gothic dress and is unrelated to the book Lolita. Although, him saying "Loli girls" is insanely incorrect.
The whole gender mystery thing reminds me of the person of indeterminate gender from A Series of unfortunate events, who was originally a tasteless fat joke in the books, but in the show was turned into a nonbinary(?) sjw stereotype. Actually, that show would make for a really fun episode I think.
I wish they played American music whenever they mention anything American. Play country twangs whenever someone sees a cowboy hat or says an American name. That'd be awesome and so much fun.
you can tell the producers didn't bother with ANY research when their jp characters all have the top 10 most common surnames 🤡 but to give a little side fact (?): the person shown on the genderless-kei video is Nakayama Satsuki and he has identified himself by now as an ace trans man. He's working as a model now! Another model for genderless fashion is Yutaro, also working as a great actor. So give them a follow if you're interested🥰
Good analysis but you're underestimating how brutal traffic is in the DC - DMV - Delmarva region. I can definitely believe it would take them 4+ hours to get from DC to the Eastern Shore of MD in afternoon rush hours!
My thought too! Though I will note that the insanely common trope of “characters start travel in day/night and end in night/day” (when said travel is sometimes as little as across town) is one of those I have to actively shake off on the regular to avoid constant irritation. I remember being so delighted by the mystical acknowledgment of this in a Buffy episode when the gang basically crossed the street from day into night and someone remarked on it!
Every time lily realeses a video about an old show i used to watch as a kid and havent watched since then i know its either going to be ruined forever or i'll discover it was actually better than i ever knew. Judging by the title, it's not going to be the latter
Well, if you watched the other Bones episode covered on the channel here, that one was actually the latter... despite this episode being in a later season than that one. Bones is a real roller coaster when it comes to quality and tact.
ive just started the video so idk if this is the episode you are talking about but i remember a episode where they had a foreign scientist come to the lab and the person was androgynous which resulted in the characters "guessing what they really are" the whole episode until at the end someone hugs them and brushes up against their crotch (love casual sexual assault /s) and thats how they "find out" what the persons sex is. as a 12 year old nonbinary and androgynous kid watching that episode i was so horrified. for the longest time i was paranoid that people might try to do that to me to try to find out my sex...it was horrible
I was part of the Buffy -> Angel -> Bones pipeline back in the day and I remember hating this episode on first airing. It was horribly uncomfortable to watch and felt grotesque even back then. Glad you covered it but not glad to have those memories resurge!
Being a local to the DC metro area, the traffic is a nightmare and all those times need an extra half hour to hour, probably wouldn't cover the incongruity, but it's bring things closer. Although tbf they didn't get to the body at night because the show was trying to be accurate, they wanted it to be at night because that's like spooky and atmospheric and shit. They wanted the driving scene in the day and the body scene at night and didn't care about the rest
The gender aspect of this episode honestly feels like a weird Twilight Zone-style world where the concept of they/them as pronouns does not exist at all.
@@niceclaup1 That concept has been around for hundreds of years. Unless you're talking about they/them as specifically nonbinary pronouns, in which case, you are right.
@@niceclaup1Right? Like, welcome to being non-binary prior to fifteen years ago. X) I was in my twenties before I even learned that was a real thing! I just thought I was a freak.
the call to the local cops that points them to the salt marshes happens in their car, an unspecified amount of time after the call in the dinner to Nakimura (apologies if that's spelt wrong). Considering Booth's initial skepticism on the sister actually being in danger, it is highly likely that those couple hours needed for it to be dark when they arrived happens between the two phone calls. We don't see them leave the dinner before they cut to the car, so it is not explicitly implied they leave right away. Plus, they turn the car around, so they were clearly on their way to do something else, and Booth just took this opportunity to make the call. So, it is pretty clear they went about their day as planned before they found out about the marsh, further increasing the potential time difference between the two phone calls. Between us we have now spent way more time thinking about this than the writers did. However, I do think the sudden shift from day to nighttime compliments the shift in tone from "overconcerned brother, probably nothing" to "dead body with 'creepy' mask under a bridge", which is probably more what they were focused on. I do agree that the different apparent temperatures in Tokyo and DC was a screw up though
Counterargument to the temperature differences: temperature can vary wildly from the average depending on weather systems, and both locations could be under very different weather. As an example, I live in the northern hemisphere, about half way between the pole and the equator. We've had days where we were colder than the north pole, and days where we were hotter than one of the hottest places in the US (Pheonix, Arizona). Also, 4C/40F over here isn't very cold, that's still T-shirt weather for some folks.
In addition to the weather angle, we also do see water vapor fall from the storefront canopies, so the stalls could just be warm/heated even if the ambient temperature were low.
Can you review the “gay episode” from a show called forget about it? An old family guy rip off. The mom walks in on her son with his friend, and from her angle it looks like they’re doing intimate things (the friend was helping the son hem a costume for larping). The family is old school Italians so she’s trying to figure out how to let him know she’s okay with him being gay and still loves him. She reaches out to a friend of a friend and they’re talking about the gay life style. The son walks in without them noticing and thinks the MOM is gay and wants to find a way for her to know they accept her. It’s pretty wholesome. Until the mom finds out what larping is and thinks her son is a loser and treats him how you would expect an Italian catholic to react to being gay. Even brings in a priest to help him, just to kick the priest out for saying “larping isn’t a big deal, at least he’s not gay” throws him out the window and calls him a bigot 😂
So glad you’re talking about this episode!! I love Bones and every time I rewatch I have to skip this episode. It’s a very difficult watch. Great video Lily!!
I think: Angela and Hodgins both thought Dr. Tanaka was hot. Hodgins is straight so he's saying "she" hoping they are female, and Angela is saying "he" to turn him away so that she could have a chance with them without Hodgins intervening. Which is why in the end she claims their "thing" moved. But thats how I always saw it lol. I agree with what you're saying! It's not in good taste anymore. I love Bones, grew up watching it because I very much identified with Brennen. There is not enough videos about it on RUclips :( Thank you so much for making this :)
There are so many reasons why I would love for someone to write an actual sex positive storyline about these things in police procedurals. There's reasons why it's really hard to come back to watching bones. Have you ever considered doing a crossover with 'skip the intro' on the next coppaganda?
I think Monk (2009) made a really good episode about it, don’t remember which one but it was called “Mr monk and the playboy” and I think it tackles the theme pretty well. Instead of demonizing the women, the episode instead has a message that humanizes sex workers and how they deserve to be safe whilst also talking about how this industry is very exploitive of women in general.
19:00 Just so you're aware, Booth was referring to Lolita fashion, and "sweet Lolita" is a broadly correct term for the type of Lolita fashion the characters are wearing. It is completely unrelated to the book or movie Lolita; the name was selected in Japan and the book/movie Lolita is far less well known there. However, "loligirls" and "Lolita fashion" are TWO SEPARATE CONCEPTS and it's ignorant and a bit racist of Booth to imply they're the same; the line is also uncomfortable because it doesn't make sense for Booth to know the name of a random woman-centric fashion subtype, and it was also careless of the writers to not specify which Lolita meaning was being referred to, as most American viewers will think of the book or movie first.
If I took one of those stupid DNA tests, I'd come back whiter than a polar bear dining on pino grigio and buttered noodles. But my mom was adopted into a Japanese family as a child, and I was always super close to my Japanese grandfather, and this? The ending to this made me so, so mad. It's just. Ugh.
Is it just me or does it sound like Tanaka's voice was pitched down slightly? Brian Tee was also the bad guy in Tokyo Drift and The Shredder in the flawed but fun TMNT: Out of the Shadows.
that logistics breakdown at around 6:00 is exactly why I have so much trouble doing creative writing. I worry about someone doing that EXACT breakdown on me
it's ok, even if you made a mistake in that vein it doesn't mean you did something wrong as a writer or even necessarily need to fix it, it just means that some people have fun pointing out that stuff
A lot of good stories have plot holes or little mistakes like that. As long as it’s well written many people will look past them. Keep writing. 👍 if you ever do publish someday, you can have someone beta read for you to catch those things.
Don't worry about it As you write, you'll get better even if stuff like this happens, it doesn't fully matter. The worst thing that can happen to. Any piece of writing or creative expression you put out for the public to see is for it to be ignored. And the second worst thing is for it to be insulted and though I get the. Fear behind that thing in fact, being invisible in my own writing is my biggest fear. And it's something you constantly have to just get over if you want to try creative writing at all and want to want to put it out there for the have to be okay with the possibility that people won't like it. Because you will probably find people who do like it.
I couldn't help laughing at the constant use of the "Asian music sting" because it made me think of the episode of Inside Job when they go to the town where everyone is mentally stuck in the 1980s, and Andre has a gong go off every time he says or does anything.
Ugh, bones has been on some channel or another and my parents have been rewatching it, this episode was on the other day and I couldn't appropriately communicate how uncomfortable it made me.
12:57 extremely specific comment no doubt influenced by my being awake at 2 in the morning but this. sounds like a track from monster high ghoul spirit on the wii. personally i'd enjoy a version of bones that was entirely about the skeletons/bones in question just getting up and going to pursue their post-mortem educations or something instead of alive people doing bigotry
@@tamarbeker1701 it seems the signature got cropped out when I made it a circular profile pic but it's supposed to say "nyurei", which should get you the picrew by just googling :3
@@FinallyAlone Ooh, look at mister gatekeeper here, trying to police others out of an innate insecurity of being unable to express authenticity. Queer up, mate.
@@Silverstar1995 They're hardly trying to insult you, they're just a nerd making a humourous observation about similarities to how orkz from Warhammer speak.
22:00 btw in japanese gendered pronouns arent the one used by someone to talk about someone else, its those used by someone to talk about themselves. From what i can remember (and im not japanese, ive just seen videos by japanese ppl explaining that) there's boku for young boys and sometimes tomboys, watashi for women and for men when being polite, and there's ore for more manly men. I think there's more but that's the main ones. So even if there was personnal pronouns in the articles she found, their gender could still be a blur
Lily, I understand your distaste regarding how the scene was written and presented, but you do know that "lolita" is a real Japanese street fashion that has nothing to do with sexual fetishism, right?
@@sgthebee "Sweet lolita" is a substyle just like "gothic lolita", though. Now, I'm not saying the show was GOOD--- it was horribly orientalist and whatever they were wearing looked closer to a maid costume, but a footnote on it being a real fashion that was misrepresented would have been nice.
Shout out to John Francis Daley, who plays Lance Sweets, but who has absolutely been killing it career-wise for the past several years. It's a shame the D&D movie didn't perform as well as it could in theaters, but that's what happens when your parent company pulls some shady shit and you end up with half a dozen boycotts in a week. Also, the fact you spent so much time going into the day/night thing for this episode was so fucking good.
14:40 this is unbelievably cringe. Firstly, the music is like when american shows show african countries and play bongo drums. (Also its way more Chinese than Japanese) Secondly, why are they bowing? Their bows are so weirdly overemphasized it's so uncomfortable. I guess you gotta make sure people know "these people are foreigners with weird traditions that westerners find so weird"
I live outside DC and can say with absolute certainty that the people who write these shows have no idea where anything in the area is in relation to each other.
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Now I unironically want a show set in Japan where any time an American shows up it plays country music mysteriously in the background.
Specifically the "dueling banjo" riff from Deliverance
I’m sure there’s bound to be at least one anime that does it. 🤔
@@lordofuzkulak8308Nah, anime doesn't count. Gotta be something live action so it's more purposefully edited.
With anime people would just say "Well, that's cartoons for you."
it would be even better if it was Canadian music. A stereotypical southerner shows up and an instrumental version of "Oh Canada" starts playing.
There's a K-drama called Heirs, and in the first or second episode, the female lead goes to California to see her older sister. She just gets to a beach area and ends up dropping her luggage, having the contents spill out, including a large bag of white powder. A surfer bro runs by, scoops the bag, rips it open, and inhales. Immediately almost dies. Turns out it was soy flour, and homeboy has a soy allergy (he's the male lead's roomate). It was the funniest thing I'd seen in a drama. I was in tears because it caught me so off guard
I feel like there is a sexist and racist connotation with East Asian men not being masculine enough for western standards as well
Well… yes! Certainly
Oh yeah definitely. Coming from a Chinese man, the western stereotype for east asian men is that we're either very stoic and serious or meek and weak lesser men due to our perceived "femininity" by western standards
Definitely. I've seen some guy say Asians couldn't fight a war because firing a gun needs strength, and East Asians don't have that. especially not women.
Apparently he has not read a word of history.
@@De_SelbyCan't wait til that guy finds out who won the Vietnam War
@@De_Selbyor fired a gun for that matter. Can you imagine a gunfight where people were struggling to grip the guns hard enough to pull the triggers? 😂
I know simply asking the gender or pronouns of a person wasn't very acceptable at the time the show was filmed, but surely at least one of the writers should've thought to say it'd be far less weird to ask someone their gender than to grope them, right?
naaaaah early 2000s shows Loved their groping-to-"find-out"-one's-gender trope
Also the walking in on someone changing to find out
One show tried giving them a lot of fluids to see which bathroom they use and at that point I was like that's a step up by comparison
@@giordanodsouza9563that's actually kids funny, I like that lol
Literally could’ve just asked “hey are you a boy or a girl, sorry if that sounds rude.” And the problem would be solved without… idk… assaulting someone!?
the thought patterns of people that think asking is way more awkward then groping mystify me.
“I’m from… Japan”
*INTENSE WOODWINDS RISING IN THE BACKGROUND*
Would like to say what Angela did at the end wasn’t just harassment, it was SA. She intentionally touched someone’s genitalia without consent. Most of the time she is my favorite character, but this was a truly horrendous thing for her to do, and smacks of the old, dangerously incorrect idea that women can’t be assaulters
I think there’s also a discussion to be had that they used Angela as the vehicle for transvestigating Dr. Tanaka and crossing cultural lines, as not only the sole queer member of the main cast, but the sole Asian American member as well.
You make a very good point but also
I know what you are /silly
But, is Angela Asian American? Because there's also that scene where a Native American friend of hers is missing and she has a vision leading her to find her. There might've even been a red-tailed hawk cry when she did it. I haven't seen it in forever.
@@WolfHreda Yep, like the actress depicting her, Angela is of European and Chinese descent.
The worst part for me is the smugness about it. Like. Girl. You just admitted to groping someone. That's not ok!
I mean… she hugged the person and their stick twitched… her hands never touched it and the person returned her hug. They didn’t pull back…. I don’t see it as SA. A little icky to “out” them when they clearly want to be ambiguous but… not SA. If they had stepped back and said no thank you to the hug, that would be different… but they didn’t. They enjoyed the hug and returned it. Angela does the same thing in another episode to feel Brennans breasts to confirm her suspicions that she’s pregnant… was that also SA? Brennan obviously doesn’t think so.
Worth noting that Bones was more than coded neurodivergent. The creators specifically intended her to be autistic. The studio wouldn't let them make it explicit. They intended to have a consultant to help them represent autism accurately, but since the studio said no, they couldn't and the representation ended up kind of clumsy.
I am autistic. Honestly never related to a character more than Bones in any other show. She has good intentions that are dismissed because of her bluntness and rigid ideals. I don’t think they did terribly in characterizing a woman on the spectrum who struggles with socializing to a high degree. I often think people don’t understand just how silly it is to not enjoy a culture that they’re fascinated with simply because social norms dictate that it is innappropriate. Either way I have to pretend I am not that interested or fascinated just to make others comfortable. Through Bones I see someone who can live with that expression with minimal pushback because people around her care about her.
@@kittiemarie1235 Awesome. Glad to hear their intent came through at least to some people.
Kind of clumsy fits any portrayal of autism since it' so diverse. I always point to Bones for a show that has a good representation of autism without beating you over the head with it. She is not defined by being an autist but her interpersonal issues are part of her character and growth throughout the series.
@@kittiemarie1235 um ... no one is saying "don't enjoy a culture you're fascinated with", there's a huge difference between cultural APPRECIATION versus cultural APPROPRIATION and using neurodivergence as an excuse to not learn the difference is, in fact, in appropriate. I am also autistic btw
@@Ramberta being enthusiastic about it comes off wrong to some people. That’s what I am saying. And the further on the spectrum you are the less people understand you it seems.
The music stings are hilarious because they have literally nothing to do with Japanese music. They barely resemble vaguely Chinese sounding musical styles, but only in the barest of sense. So they're not only being culturally insensitive but using musical stings from the complete wrong country that the Japanese have literally been at war with for like 75% of their recorded history.
Everybody hates their parents lmao countries are no different
It's the same with "oriental" music... the kind people associate with the dessert. The music usually has nothing in common with what music of the region really sounds like, but it's used because it's so widely recognizable by people who have heard it over and over that this is "arabic" or "oriental" music.
It would be so easy to ask people who are experts in certain music styles... but they usually don't really care enough to go with anything authentic...
it's kind of sad.
@_pookie_Gis racism your only joke??
@_pookie_G this is definitely not the right type of video for you why are you here
@_pookie_G Daring today, aren't we?
Transphobia AND racism? Spicing it up today
"I'll have the... Umm transphobia"
"How original"
"With racism topping"
"Daring today, aren't we"
sums up my experience visiting the US
@@Chrys4l1s
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
AND illogical day/night transitioning!
@@Chrys4l1s yeah it kinda sucks over here
Instantly reminded of the meme that shows skulls labeled as "man, woman, black, white, Asian, etc." and then says "Not trying to make a point, just showing off my collection"
HSHAHAHHAHA I love that the most concerning part of this is the begged question "why do you have a collection in the first place"
35:29 You were so peeved about everything else you didn't even point out that the brother asks "well, if she was a good girl, then what did she do to get killed?" As if it's her fault for being murdered
Right? I don't get why would anyone even say that. You know what most victims do to get murdered? Exist.
@SummerGhost-kg3zd I don't think that's to wierd a thing to say. I've definitely heard it said plenty of times before. Because you are wrong about your last statement, the vast majority of murders are crimes of passion which means they are in immediate response to a thing someone else, usually the victim, did. While it may sound sus in this context, it is a very normal question I think.
@@TheArtistKnownAsNooblet"crimes of passion" as in "My wife found out I was cheating to I killed her and all three of our children" "my neighbors boyfriend paid no attention to meand instead his wife so I poisoned his food" both of these are crimes of passion, neither of them are the victims at fault. Becuase that's what that quote means....that its the victims fault....and sir, are the dumest of them all..
And "crimes of passion" means what? That most murders revolve around sex? Because no they don't, you're categorically wrong about that too. You're just taking monumental L's today.
@@itsanoformedawg clearing up definitional misconceptions first, crime of passion doesn't have anything to do with sex. It means it's done in the heat of the moment as opposed to being planned out. It is essentially the opposite of a premeditated murder. Something happens to trigger a violent response of some kind in a person and someone else dies as a result of that. This is how the vast majority of murders happen which is why I chose to use it as my explanation (I also think the vast majority of premeditated murders have reasons they happen besides a persons mere existence but that would make this even longer to explain and so I chose to stick with this far larger bucket). And almost definitionally the reason the people were killed in this way is not merely that they existed.
Now is this to say the victims are at fault for their murders? No and I never said that it was. I just said this is a fairly normal question to ask and only seems suspect because of it's proximity to other, worse, things. If someone were killed by the mob because victim robbed the mob and someone asked "what did this person do to get themselves killed" and someone else said 'they robbed the mob" neither of these people are blaming the victim. They are establishing motive. Which is what this question is actually about. In essence when someone asks "what did they do to get killed" they are actually asking "what did this person do to induce motive in their murderer".
@@itsanoformedawg I'm just realizing the "what did they do to get murdered? exist" is actually one of the replies and not the main comment I guess I accidentally made a normal comment instead of @ing them. And that makes my reply look a lot worse, whoops. This was meant as a reply to @Summer Ghost-kg3zd not OP and I'm changing that now to prevent further misconceptions.
im not surprised an american show in '08 got wrong, but sweets describing tanaka as "following a japanese concept known as kei" is so funny because "kei" just means "style"*. he basically said "its called 'fashion'--look it up"
*(well literally it just means "lineage" its just used to mean style. japanese words can convey a lot in, but not really in this instance lmao)
They were refering to the music genre VISUAL Kei. It's a music subculture like goth, emo, punk, despite having "kei" iin the name. Look up bands like The Gazette, or Dir En Grey, or SEX ANDROID. And Kei has its own subgenres, like Oshare Kei, Tanbi Kei, Angura Kei, and Kote Kei.
In VK, a huge part of the culture is to be as androgynous as possible. There's a lot of drag styles in the genre, too, without it being specifically LGBTQ+, though it CAN be.
@@Blackberryfae The biggest VISUAL Kei band example is X Japan who are still rocking and have been since the 80s. I got to know the band because I became a Hide fan (deceased) who was the lead guitarist for X Japan and was front man for Spread Beaver (JP) after he went solo and was moving to front man of Zilch (US). He was found dead in 98 but if he had survived, he would have kicked ass. If you love metal, industrial rock from the 90s, you would love.
@@Blackberryfae What do you mean by "despite having 'kei' in the name"? OP is correct, kei (系) means something like "style" of "type" (in this context) and it's used in many different words
I've never seen "visual kei" abbreviated to just "kei"
@@cheriremily9360 Uh, yeah, I've been a fan of the scene since 2004. I'm well aware of X Japan,, hide, and Yoshiki. You might like SEIKIMA II (seikimatsu) if you like metal, though. Onmyouza, too.
Dr. Tanaka is so gender tho, especially for a 2009 crime show
@@Chrys4l1s it reminds me of the tech experts designs' in Criminal Case /pos
One of the first cracks in my egg tbh
right!? i wish i looked as cool as them
But that tanaka gets harassed for it is ..
@@marocat4749 thats where the 2009 crime show aspect comes in
I will never understand the American obsession with the _literally hundreds_ of _nearly-identical_ procedural cop shows.
It's always the cops or the doctors/surgeons
I feel the same way about true crime. Except that's turning real human suffering into fantasy and escapism. Being into true crime is such a red flag for me.
Tends to be people being dragged into the copaganda pipeline
... this one featured an autistic coded woman who it took me a long time to realize that the story was slowly "fixing" her more than it "fixes" booth. See it's suuuper different and unique from all those other procedural shows which usually put the autistic coded character in the ensemble or have a man as the main autistic coded character.
I hope that your country never does. To idealize your oppressors or to be indoctrinated into it is a very sad and scary thing.
Sorting this under "Videos with titles that could also refer generally to the practice of phrenology"
Holy shit i hadn’t even noticed. That’s kind of perfect honestly
Bones was waaay into that.
The neanderthal murder mystery is a great example.
i clicked thinking that was the discussion
this is exactly what I was expecting to be honest
If you have other videos in that category already, please share 😂
Hi! Local here. Sometimes the Chesapeake bay bridge is closed due to inclement weather and you have to go the full way around the peninsula which can increase driving time by an hour or two. Hope this helps!
we love our on the ground reporters!
@@littlemissmello thank you, I do my best
Came here to say I did have to driver around D.C once and it took over two hours to get into Maryland due to traffic (not through D.C AROUND IT). I would hope the FBI could get around that heavy ass traffic but if it's four lanes backed up it might still take awhile.
how do you pronounce chesapeake? I always look at it and think "cheapskate! no, chess peak! cheesecake? chess a peaky ? "
@@bookshelfhoneyI am not really positive but I believe it is either chess+peak or chess+a+peak.
a cop show? being racist? no... couldnt be
Gotta be true to the source material
i deeply believe angela lied in the tanaka's last scene. she kept on insisting tanaka was a man so ofc she would claim that when no one could prove otherwise. and i sincerely doubt that any penis post teeneage age is THAT reactive to an unexpected hug
Ah, but that would go against her main character trait of being the Hot Bisexual Everyone Wants to Get With, something there are entire ongoing B-plots about at multiple points in the series. Even AFTER she and Hodgens get married and have a kid.
@@UnrealMisterDjust another example of fetishizing "exoticism" 😢 seriously annoying
It would not be surprising since she lies a lot 😅
I don't know much about the show and Angela's truth vs lies record, but if she is taken at face value (which is how I and probably most others took it) then it's also playing into other racist tropes about Asian men being sexually repressed and therefore perverted and reactive to the slightest touch.
Headcanoning the conclusion for a gross B-plot for a (mostly)-different-kind-of-gross episode of a decade-old police procedural is not the kind of thing I'd encourage people to spend time on. But since you have, this _is_ a fun headcanon.
you know what gets me?... ignorance is a thing. But to make that episode the writers had to learn about that specific subculture and then decide they were going to use it in their show and make fun of it.
This is worse to me than simply playing on stereotypes everyone knows about and that you never questionned, cause there had to be some sort of active process at some point and still the decision was made to be a shithead.
I so wish Tanaka had called Angela and the rest of the team out after that hug.
Or sweets. He's an FBI agent that just witnessed sexual assault
@@anna-flora999Or at least sweets saying angela is lucky she isnt reported to hr? Even if funny?
@@marocat4749 would already be better than nothing, yeah
they're also supposed to be anthropologists that have an understanding of world cultures. Plenty of cultures include genderless identities so it's wild that they're so transphobic
Aren't they Forensic Anthropologists specifically? I have a BSc in FA and we aren't taught about cultures as with standard Anthropology, just bones :)
@@Celandines hey so it's been a while since I've watched this, but first of all only Brennan is a Forensic anthropologist. The others are other scientists. She always has varying assistants though who are all anthropology students. One is called Clark I think and in some of his early episodes Brennan specifically uses his background in social (standard?) anthropology to put him down bc she believes it's inferior to the science for various reasons I don't recall (Clark somehow knows stuff about bones though). Funny thing though, she herself talks a lot about those more theoretical concepts to explain certain behaviours, at least at the beginning of the show. So yes they do make a distinction. I am confused by this though, I studied cultural + social anthropolgy for a while and our professor told it's it's not that separate in the US as it is in Europe? Or maybe the other way around but that doesn't make any sense bc in Europe it's VERY separate. I study Archaeology now and we literally had a forensic anthropology crash course which was very far from the theoretical stuff we did in social anthropology.
I don’t think anyone a part of that plot was in anthropology. Hodgins is the bug and dirt guy. Angela is the artist that is the non nerd of the lab. I don’t remember what Cam’s specialty was just that she was the director I think. Sweets is the psychologist which makes sense he seems to be the only one with a vague understanding of non cis identities existing but not too knowledgeable on other cultures to get it quite right.
I don’t blame this group for not knowing about these things. I blame them for not being half decent people about this
@lindensalter6713 Cam is a pathologist, although she started as a regular surgeon I think? But idk I might confuse it with every other crime show. And the first director was a historian I think? Idk not something like that.
It's a Fox show. Fox just attracts script writers who seem to... not care.
9:53 My head canon is that they turned on the lights and started driving, took a wrong turn, got very lost, and finally rolled up way after dark.
The funniest part is Booth can be a fucking dumbass sometimes so this isn't even improbable
Zoro moment
Mine is that Booth dropped the ball and they didn't start going the Salt Marsh before 3pm.
Or they just wanted the swamp scene in the dark. 🤨😂
They stopped for donuts...or a new belt buckle or whatever Booth likes
19:10 as a person into lolita fashion please don't associate the subculture with *that book*. it has nothing to do with it and just shares an unfortunate similar name. we just wanna dress in frills
You're totally right. From now on anytime a TV show starts talking about anywhere in Europe I'm gonna need some euro vision song to start playing
I think that’s already a thing for vaguely Scottish things and bagpipe riffs 😋
@johnsmith2875 it is yes 😆
Get your dirndls and lederhosen out guys! We‘re going to germany!
_(cue accordion and yodeling)_
I'm Danish and I want Aqua to play anytime Mads Mikkelsen turns up in anything
@@bub4522 YES
I love the phrase "the genderless style in Japan called 'kei'" because that's literally like someone saying "there's this genderless American style called 'fashion'" 😂
Ah, the racist music stings. It's so tired. Watch any show set in Miami and there's going to be some aerial establishing shot of the city and, invariably, salsa music playing in the background.
Reading your comment just reminded me how played up that was in Dexter lol
Unpopular opinion... I don't think it's racist to play the songs that come from a culture when portraying areas that people from said culture congregate/live in.
It's CRINGE to play "kungfu fighting" when showing China town or a traditional Chinese neighbourhood but I don't think it's the same as playing a piece of Mexican music or tunes when showing a Mexican neighbourhood.
@@nataliekhanyola5669 the issue here is that what's played isn't even japanese music
@@nataliekhanyola5669 it is entirely reasonable (see, Vietnam war films) but a lot pf the time the musical stings aren't actually representative of the culture/area you are portraying.
Of course then you get into the second layer of it where, esspecially in American television, the musical stings are used not because they are representative of what goes on in the area, but because all the other shows use them, so you use them to signify to your audience that this is in fact a particular place, rather than creating a new sting which might confuse the audience.
@@nataliekhanyola5669that's because it isn't racist lol. It's not even racist to play the music that your audience wrongly believes comes from that area, but which actually comes from the area that your intended area was at war with for hundreds of years (see: China and Japan)
Inaccurate =/= racist
There was also the episode which was literally called ”The He in the She” which was just as bad as you would think 😬😬😬
I genuinely expected this video to be about that episode. It’s been years since I watched the show and remember a lot of the weird junk but not everything. Like the insane focus on voodoo on the episode to do with hurricane Katrina
Lily did review that episode! It's the one she referenced in this video about having a western trans woman
@@possitivelyinsaneooh thank you, I don’t know how I had missed that video!
@@silja6838 no worries, funny thing is I responded to that video asking about this episode which I guess she did a vid on it a while ago but it wasn't as involved?
I feel like that take both undersells how bad "The Girl in the Mask" covered in this video was, and discounts a lot of ways "The He in the She" was far more ahead of the curve in being tactful and respectful than this episode (despite it coming later in the season) and other shows of its ilk. Like, part of that is how low the bar was for the general tone of TV programming on matters of sex and gender at time, but it is also just a more elegant story and message that intentionally subverts the worst tropes instead of leaning into them like this one did.
Tried watching the series again recently but stopped in the third ish episode when they got super racist against Muslims
They do that a lot in this show
Me too. I remembered it being a good show, but I guess I was just totally blind to subtext back then.
Was this before they hired the Muslim guy that everyone else was *super*-weird about for no legitimate reason?
@@nicholasfarrell5981 I think before
@@ashdog9235yup before. they had a classic arab/muslim suspected terrorist and i think they were questioning his wife maybe? and they were SUPER hostile. then came the iranian muslim doctor later, which ratcheted up the racism and islamophobia to ELEVEN
The "kami of the skull" thing really got to me. I don't follow Shinto myself but I have enough knowledge of Japanese culture to know how ridiculous that is. According to Shinto, everything pertaining to death is a source of defilement (kegare), and touching any part of a dead body for any reason makes you unclean and require a purification ritual. As an aside, this is why professions that necessitated the handling of dead humans or animals were historically considered an untouchable caste, a discrimination that was officially abolished but which still ripples into the present day. The notion of a kami entering a skull after the human soul has left the body is patently absurd, as is the notion that a Shinto follower devout enough to claim to communicate with kami would willingly choose a profession that puts them in contact with dead bodies, let alone attempt to communicate with whatever spirit could be within said dead body, which if there was a spirit in there it would probably be a malevolent yokai and not a kami. So I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt of trying to respectfully portray Japanese culture here, it's definitely orientalist mystical spirituobabble, and it might've even been less offensive if they left out any references to Shinto and just made it a generic new-agey spiritual scene.
Also, can we talk about Tanaka and Nakamura's accents? It sounds like regular English but with muddled Ls and Rs, as if they're putting on a stereotyped Japanese accent. This stereotype does have some truth in it, Japanese has a consonant that's sort of between L and R, and as such most native Japanese speakers have trouble with those sounds when they speak English, but I've found through my brief experience teaching English in Japan that they don't actually struggle with that as much as they do with the TH sounds (as do native speakers of most non-English languages for that matter). But while these actors' Ls and Rs are muddled, their THs are impeccable. It's jarring and unnatural, and it definitely reads to me as a put-on of the Western stereotype of "Japanese people can't say L or R" rather than authentically portraying the accent of someone whose first language isn't English.
Here's something neat! First person pronouns are gendered in the Japanese language, but third person pronouns are not. It's sooort of socially acceptable for women to use masculine pronouns, but there are gender neutral first person pronouns too.
I kinda wish English did that.
Clarifying that gendered third person pronouns are a thing in Japanese, but they are rarely used, as frequently if it's understood who you're talking about you can drop the subject of a sentence entirely and if not then you'd normally just say their name.
But yeah, I wish english had that too. A really nice moment in some Japanese stories about transgender characters is when the character changes which pronoun they use (in one really interesting one, the character changed the pronoun used constantly depending on context and mood, like whether speaking out loud or thinking to themselves)
Like has been said above, there are gendered third person pronoun. 彼(kare) is male while 彼女(kanojo) is female.
It depends on the pronoun. 私 (watashi) is neutral in formal contexts with a slightly feminine lean in casual contexts. When read as Atashi, it's feminine regardless of context. 僕 (boku) has a masculine mean, but isn't entirely masculine. It's used primarily by younger men and women. 俺 (ore) is masculine, while the kansai 俺等 (ora) is neutral, they both are used exclusively in casual scenarios.
As for third person pronouns, 彼 (kare) and 彼女 (kanojo) are both gendered. However, third person pronouns aren't all that common in Japanese since it's not abnormal to refer to people by name.
@@462nsome added context, changing first person pronouns isn't odd in Japan at all. Many men will use ore with their friends, but watashi in formal settings.
First person pronouns do have gendered connotations, but they also differ based on social status, age, and context. Depending on whether you're using keigo (formal speech) or tameguchi (casual speech) the gendered connotations of certain pronouns may change.
Japanese language have first person pronouns for everything, not just gender. There's one for boys, one for rough women, one for people of high class, one for old people, one for stoic people, one for samurai, or even one for the emperor.
A lot of them are acually just dialects from specific areas or cultures which got associate with certain demograph in fictions, so there can be a girl using boy's one or a youth using old people's one, here and there. So it's rather that there are butt load of first person pronouns and each has specific use or background connected with it. It's kinda like how accent works in English. It's just how people talk but you can also get a piece of identity from it.
Booth knowing anything about sweet lolita is very funny to me. I remember in the 2000s there was a deep fascination with harajuku and various subcultures in japan, especially with the english publishing of Fruits (the premiere alt fashion mag) but yah. It makes sense that if hes bee to japan, especially in tokyo, he would have seen these fashion movements.
It should be stressed that lolita the fashion has very little to do with the book itself lmao. People misunderstand it all the time :/
Also "kei" is shorthand for a lot of styles, but the style tanaka looks like Visual Kei, that indeed values androgyny and was Extremely big in the 90s and 2000s. I saw them and it was like a blast from the past in a big way for me lmao
A good FBI agent knows about these things
Lolita Fashion/Sweet lolita has nothing to do with the book, film or sex work just so you know. The fashion is very much dressing in opposition to the male gaze and sexualisation rather than for it. So that's another thing to add to the list of things this episode did poorly.
@@cobalt49so what?
@@moonlighthowling666 "Lolita Fashion/Sweet lolita has nothing to do with the book" is just a false statement. It would be reasonable to argue that it's popularity in Japan is due to a rebellious/punk attitude among women. Trying to distance the name from its root is ridiculous. It exists in a culture where youthful expression is fetishised as an ideal of femininity, and attempts to subvert it.
@@cobalt49 The point is, the use of the word "Lolita" for the fashion is very tangential. Very few people that popularized its usage would have ever read the book or watched the movie. Just like how Japanese people eating KFC isn't on account of having strong feelings about Kentucky. It's basically a cross language loan-word. There's clear etymological drift at play. The connection still exists, but it's not definitional why it's popularly used.
@@cobalt49eh, no. The name was adopted before the book had been translated into Japanese. The idea that it was about a cute girl came first, and began to be used as an adjective for cute, innocent-looking girls. This includes a comic with an Alice look-alike being described as a lolita girl.
Was coming down here to clarify that, yet another thing this episode did dirty. Wish everyone would stop making weird sexual comments about us wearing cute dresses >.
Speaking of "simple pronouns" , how hard is it to say "they" or "them"?
Them pronouns are easy to say.
At that point in time quite hard or unheard of in anything close to mainstream. It was another decade on before I even heard pronouns being a common thing to ask or give and another 5 years before I felt safe using my preferred ones. And, I still can't use them in specific places because people will not understand.
Apparently very hard for people with walnut sized brains.
They could have just..... ASKED Dr. Tanaka for their preferred pronouns, instead of being fucking weird about it.
"Hello Dr. Tanaka, may I please know your preferred pronouns, so that I may respect your wishes when conversing with you?"
It's literally that simple.
EDIT: lmao Lily called me out for cooking while listening to this episode
Yeah but here’s the thing, in 2000s via mid years before 2010s I’ve never saw anyone asked via pronouns lmao. I’m not surprised that the “science show” and ignorant of psychology and sociology just ignored that gender queer people existed. Like Brennan had a massive fucking issue with people who got themselves surgeries via breast or change their body. I’m not expecting some actual good writing here pertaining to the subjects at hand.
@@wjbushjr one of the characters suggesting just asking the Dr.
We might not have had the same vocabulary 15 years ago, but the reasonable thing to do was suggested and ignored...
@@the_last_ballad Yeah that's fair.
Love it when ppl think it’s less offensive to uncomfortably stare at trans (or androgynous) ppl, hyperfixate on their genitals, and/or touch them inappropriately than simply ask them what their gender and pronouns are 😭
ohhh I thought you were gonna tell me why my skeleton should be ashamed of itself. ok
My skeleton is definitely ashamed of itself. At least I assume that's why it's hiding under so much tissue
Yeah I thought it was gonna be like they tried to identify the gender of a skeleton and ended up playing into racist tropes.
@@auroraofclanborealis exactly xD
It should be ashamed but not for any reasons here.
Ashamed because of...The Incident.
@@PanAndScanBuddyOn no, don’t mention…….The Incident.
I used to watch Bones with me mum when we sat down for dinner. There were always a lot of moments every episode that got me cringing, even for 'the times' it was released in, and Booth's character always made me hugely uncomfortable which isn't great for a main character of a crime show duo. It became apparent as we watched through the seasons that the consistent missteps weren't some aim at a character arc aka Booth starting off close minded, but through the power of friendship and meeting other people, he develops into a better person. That just never happened and the show actively seemed to support his poor religious conservatism takes. I eventually tapped out in the later seasons and just started eating dinner in my room haha.
Yeah, I hate Booth. His character is just so steeped in misogyny and hypocrisy.
But, while Booth was the worst offender, they were *all* like that. Just small minded, people marinating in their narrow little world.
@@mittenista Yeah he was just awful throughout and never seemed to develop in meaningful ways. Bones was expected to become more 'feeling' as time went one but I never saw much change in Booth.
And you're right, they were all pretty much the same overall. Sweets was always my favourite of a pretty bad bunch, but he at least ATTEMPTED to be the voice of reason, sadly the way he was written was obviously still going to go alone with the show writers oveall aims.
For me it's such a shame because I liked David Boreanaz. 😔 Maybe I just crushed on Angel a little too hard...
@@dr3dg352 I unnfortunately got the impression he shared a lotta the views of the show considering his participation as producer as well as main character.
I only watched Bones because Angel had ended and I needed my David Boreanaz fix, but Booth as a character was just a rehash of Law and Order SVU's Elliot Stabler, rendered slightly more tolerable by the fact that he was played by an actor I liked (and that he didn't spend several minutes of each episode physically assaulting innocent people to wring a false confession out of them).
I realize now that I watched a lot of shows that made me uncomfortable because I had a crush on one of the actors (stared pointedly at Hugh Laurie as House).
About the music: ireland gets penny whistles and uilleann pipes and it absolutely bothers me too
At least the tin whistle is an actual irish instrument. Other times you'll hear bagpipes, followed by a shot of a town that remarkably doesnt run on any sort of electrical grid, and all the cars are from the 1960s AGHEM sonsofanarchy COUGH COUGH
Also its so funny to me that this whole gender side of the episode could have so easily been solved in 2024 by simply asking if the Dr had any preferred pronouns. Because that's a fine and normal thing to ask. Some folk really like to argue that asking about pronouns is too complicated, and yet would rather twist themselves in knots trying to work it out, when politely asking is a thing that exists.
It's the one good thing Sweets said this episode. Fucking ask.
@@Aryasvitkona There's a reason why he was one of the only characters I semi-enjoyed in this show, and it was because of stuff like that. Sadly he was also written to be as garbage as the rest too.
@@Aryasvitkona the fact that the writers *did* manage to write him having that suggestion and then didn't even consider him just going up to dr. tanaka and asking to get everyone else to Shut The Hell Up is honestly soo contrived
it's so hilarious that they even included the line "god i miss the ease of a simple pronoun"
It’s the same reason in the Pat SNL skits they don’t just ask- it’s a cultural norm that implying someone is androgynous is an insult. That’s a stupid cultural norm but it’s a thing
That two hours of "futzing around" on the way to southeastern Maryland was probably just Bay Bridge traffic. I've been stuck there for HOURS.
The casual mention of one of the main characters maybe helping out a serial killer was fucking wild. What the fuck is going on with that show
It was like 40% procedural cop show 40% romantic tension and the last 20 is genuinely crazy. The worst nail in the coffin for them was when it did a crossover with Sleepy Hollow with real undead in the episode. Introducing magic to the show for one episode and confirming it then ignoring it forever.
There was MULTIPLE serial killers with vendettas while filled with pseudoscience galore.
In this case, cannibalism
@@NoName-nm7fxI suppose it's not Hannibal Lecter, sadly enough.
That would have been one hell of a crossover!
This show is nuts to the max... the serial killer thing is nothing compared to all the other nonsense that went on. One episode BEGINS with a shot of an opossum eating a human corpse's head. The FBI agent guy had a panic attack and illegally discharged his gun bc of his clown phobia. One of th scientist guys started a hot sauce company. The forensic artist lady's father is the guy from ZZ Top. The lab director adopted her boyfriend's daughter after he got eaten by a tiger at the city zoo. This show might be racist, homophobic and a lot of other stuff, but it was never boring and it never made a lick of sense.
@@mildlydazed9608You haven't seen anything yet. The show is based on a book series, and is produced by the series author. The YA spinoff books to that initial book series are about Brennan's great-niece who gets turned into a genetically altered wolf-person along with her friends. Who then use their heightened senses and increased strength to solve crime. 2010 was a great year to get literally anything published, I guess. The book is called "Virals" if you wanna fact check this. Apparently it did well enough to warrant 4 books after it in the series.
I appreciated the time inconsistency tangent!
14:34
I watched ALL of this show, and ultimately it suffered the same fate as Castle, which is to say that it eventually lost anything that made it special and just turned the unique premise into another cop procedural. It lives and breathes based on the charisma of its cast.
I did enjoy the character of Brennan but the show often made a point of making her out to be wrong even when she wasn't. Like, in the universe of Bones, the christian god and ghosts definitively exist, but Brennan herself is a very well-reasoned atheist who does not believe in ghosts due to lack of evidence. This contradiction causes the show to attempt to have its cake and eat it too, and it fails more often than it succeeds.
WILL TRENT SWEEPPP >>>
the first couple season of castle are saur good but it def should have ended way sooner than it did
love the detail that the girl’s head was specifically mounted on a bamboo stick. i’m throwing up
Ever seen Green Inferno?
There’s also a bones episode where the victim is a trans woman who used to be a fundamentalist evangelical preacher , it was interesting
Lily covered this ep! It was interesting.
I find it very funny that every time you say Booth, the subtitles say "Boof". Not a judgement about the accent, more of a happy accident that makes me happy.
As someone who didn't know anything about Bones before watching this, the subtitles convinced me that Boof was his name.
Even after reading the comments, I want to keep believing that he's Boof.
thank you for talking about ethnic riffs, like the "oriental" riff, they were an obsession of mine for so long
"When did this come out? 2009? Oh nevermind, we're fucked" had me laughing on the floor ^^
It's extra funny considering the other Trans Bones Episode that was already covered was from 2008 and comparatively way more tactful and respectful.
@@Shalakor Always depends on who is writing the episodes and how ancient their humor is, i s'pose
Sometimes when I watch one of the worse episodes it’s like being flash-banged because I always forget the show’s from the earlier 2000’s, so instead of just being like, regular offensive, it’s somehow offensive^3 and it kicked my cat on its way out.
@@rhinopoley Yeah. It's like talking to my wifes grandmother and hear the cassual F slur or n word, ripping me back into the early 70s when that was okay for some reason
The only thing that makes the "oriental sting" better is when they add the gong at the end just in case it wasn't noticeable and obnoxious enough already
now we're in... the bone zone....
Love the daytime nighttime continuity deep dive
Me too. Autistic heaven
for real!! I love nitpicking so that was awesome
I was confused why she was spending so long on this continuity error until I remembered this is the same woman who made a 10 hour long Harry Potter video ❤️
We stan an autistic queen
FOR REAL i'm the type of autistic pedantic that gets caught up about this stuff too IT WAS AN AMAZING RANT 😭VERY CATHARTIC
Honestly more entertaining than the actual show
So- I'm not fluent in Japanese, ive been learning for ~5 years, but I do speak quite a bit and have done a significant amount of cultural education as part of my language learning.
In japanese, typically, the speaker dictates their own pronouns, and there are gender neutral pronouns equivalent to they/them in English. It's also not uncommon for tomboyish girls to adopt a traditionally masculine pronoun for themselves.
i played solitaire while watching, and i got an ad with "stereotypical Asian music"
Not me starting this video and wanting to see if anyone else has my gut reaction and trying to scroll through the comments for half the intro before realizing their was only two
we may have thought the same thing friend
im so confused what happened lol
What's your gut reaction?
Sometimes being early really messes with our usual video watching routines 😅
@@qtpauliei thiiink they mean they were guessing which episode of bones the video would be based off
WAit....why would you dump a body in the salt marshes? Isn't that extremely counter-productive? Salt marshes are apparently a type of biome with one of the slowest decomposition rates, probably due to the salt content. I think the only three biomes I can come up with which would be worse solutions for getting rid of a body would be a bog, a saline lake, or a brine pool.
Edit: oh yeah, they make the corpses look so gruesome when that's really not how they decompose. I don't know why they make them look so bloody when blood oxidises. In the environment, bodies will turn into a very pale, somewhat beige colour, and they will not be bloody as they decompose. All of the bones they find are really gnarly, unrealistic props, although they would be good for recently skinned and/or decimated individuals, but for someone who's been decaying for a while just does not work.
Wow, this episode really grinds my gears with everything that you've pointed out so far. It's so...bad. It's just plain bad and so disrespectful.
I think the idea would be that the animals in the marshes would do most of the work of getting rid of the body for you, if the tides didn't just wash it out to sea, and all the containments would hide any trace evidence if anything survived intact.
Lolita is just a fashion! It's unrelated to the novel.
People are saying the name comes from the novel. This makes sense to me since the novel is a criticism on our sexist and pedophilic culture
@@jenm1it was an unfortunate naming due to a language barrier
@@jenm1 there's no real proof whether the name came from the themes of the book or just because early fashion wearers just thought it sounded cute. Lolita fashion is a street style with roots in the 1970s. the thought processes around lolita fashion weren't written down until after the name was already decided upon, around 10 years later.
Fasion it may be, but it comes with connotation you cannot ignore.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 you mean that dresses with a bunch of frills and bows are pretty and cool?
that scene at the end was actually unhinged. the first part of the video was like, okay this is absurd, but expected. but at the end like. wtf????
I watched a couple of episodes years ago. The one thing I remember is how the titular character started a fight in a predominantly black music club for saying something racially insensitive. The way the scene depicted the black people taking offence from her words was bad enough before she kicked one through a panel and we were supposed to see it as "badass". No, 'Bones', it was in hindsight just ass.
I should note that the lolita style is moreso about the gothic dress and is unrelated to the book Lolita. Although, him saying "Loli girls" is insanely incorrect.
The whole gender mystery thing reminds me of the person of indeterminate gender from A Series of unfortunate events, who was originally a tasteless fat joke in the books, but in the show was turned into a nonbinary(?) sjw stereotype.
Actually, that show would make for a really fun episode I think.
I wish they played American music whenever they mention anything American. Play country twangs whenever someone sees a cowboy hat or says an American name. That'd be awesome and so much fun.
Lol. They do for certain anime. Where anyone who is an American has blonde hair and blue eyes and are super loud, wearing red white and blue. 😂
There is no such thing as "American music" in this context bc everything is borrowed and blended
@@esm82ify country or patriotic music are great musical indicators someone's American
you can tell the producers didn't bother with ANY research when their jp characters all have the top 10 most common surnames 🤡 but to give a little side fact (?): the person shown on the genderless-kei video is Nakayama Satsuki and he has identified himself by now as an ace trans man. He's working as a model now! Another model for genderless fashion is Yutaro, also working as a great actor. So give them a follow if you're interested🥰
Good analysis but you're underestimating how brutal traffic is in the DC - DMV - Delmarva region. I can definitely believe it would take them 4+ hours to get from DC to the Eastern Shore of MD in afternoon rush hours!
My thought too!
Though I will note that the insanely common trope of “characters start travel in day/night and end in night/day” (when said travel is sometimes as little as across town) is one of those I have to actively shake off on the regular to avoid constant irritation. I remember being so delighted by the mystical acknowledgment of this in a Buffy episode when the gang basically crossed the street from day into night and someone remarked on it!
Every time lily realeses a video about an old show i used to watch as a kid and havent watched since then i know its either going to be ruined forever or i'll discover it was actually better than i ever knew.
Judging by the title, it's not going to be the latter
Well, if you watched the other Bones episode covered on the channel here, that one was actually the latter... despite this episode being in a later season than that one. Bones is a real roller coaster when it comes to quality and tact.
OMG thank you for this! ‘Bones’ used to be a favourite TV Show. Revisited one episode featuring a trans victim and everything came crashing down.
ive just started the video so idk if this is the episode you are talking about but i remember a episode where they had a foreign scientist come to the lab and the person was androgynous which resulted in the characters "guessing what they really are" the whole episode until at the end someone hugs them and brushes up against their crotch (love casual sexual assault /s) and thats how they "find out" what the persons sex is. as a 12 year old nonbinary and androgynous kid watching that episode i was so horrified. for the longest time i was paranoid that people might try to do that to me to try to find out my sex...it was horrible
good guess
I was part of the Buffy -> Angel -> Bones pipeline back in the day and I remember hating this episode on first airing. It was horribly uncomfortable to watch and felt grotesque even back then. Glad you covered it but not glad to have those memories resurge!
Bones even could have gone more into booth as , being traumatized.
Being a local to the DC metro area, the traffic is a nightmare and all those times need an extra half hour to hour, probably wouldn't cover the incongruity, but it's bring things closer. Although tbf they didn't get to the body at night because the show was trying to be accurate, they wanted it to be at night because that's like spooky and atmospheric and shit. They wanted the driving scene in the day and the body scene at night and didn't care about the rest
The gender aspect of this episode honestly feels like a weird Twilight Zone-style world where the concept of they/them as pronouns does not exist at all.
For all intents and purposes, that concept did not exist at the time
@@niceclaup1 That concept has been around for hundreds of years. Unless you're talking about they/them as specifically nonbinary pronouns, in which case, you are right.
@@anzaia2164 That is what I'm talking about. All due respect. And I'm happy that some whippersnapper thinks that sounds like "the twilight zone"
@@niceclaup1Right? Like, welcome to being non-binary prior to fifteen years ago. X)
I was in my twenties before I even learned that was a real thing! I just thought I was a freak.
No. Because it’s a show in 2009 aimed for mainstream audience, nine times out of ten they’re gonna be pretty ignorant like that
the call to the local cops that points them to the salt marshes happens in their car, an unspecified amount of time after the call in the dinner to Nakimura (apologies if that's spelt wrong).
Considering Booth's initial skepticism on the sister actually being in danger, it is highly likely that those couple hours needed for it to be dark when they arrived happens between the two phone calls. We don't see them leave the dinner before they cut to the car, so it is not explicitly implied they leave right away. Plus, they turn the car around, so they were clearly on their way to do something else, and Booth just took this opportunity to make the call. So, it is pretty clear they went about their day as planned before they found out about the marsh, further increasing the potential time difference between the two phone calls.
Between us we have now spent way more time thinking about this than the writers did. However, I do think the sudden shift from day to nighttime compliments the shift in tone from "overconcerned brother, probably nothing" to "dead body with 'creepy' mask under a bridge", which is probably more what they were focused on.
I do agree that the different apparent temperatures in Tokyo and DC was a screw up though
Counterargument to the temperature differences: temperature can vary wildly from the average depending on weather systems, and both locations could be under very different weather. As an example, I live in the northern hemisphere, about half way between the pole and the equator. We've had days where we were colder than the north pole, and days where we were hotter than one of the hottest places in the US (Pheonix, Arizona).
Also, 4C/40F over here isn't very cold, that's still T-shirt weather for some folks.
i think the name is written Nakamura!
In addition to the weather angle, we also do see water vapor fall from the storefront canopies, so the stalls could just be warm/heated even if the ambient temperature were low.
8:45 i zoned out and came back to you going into depth about times of the year and temp, and idk what youre talking about but im digging it lol.
Tanaka's hair is so cool!!!!!!!!
I definitely hear country music and eagle noises whenever I hear someone mention NASCAR.
As Someone from Tennessee.It's actually constantly planning.It's very distressing.I don't get much sleep.I don't even like country music.
Can you review the “gay episode” from a show called forget about it? An old family guy rip off. The mom walks in on her son with his friend, and from her angle it looks like they’re doing intimate things (the friend was helping the son hem a costume for larping). The family is old school Italians so she’s trying to figure out how to let him know she’s okay with him being gay and still loves him. She reaches out to a friend of a friend and they’re talking about the gay life style. The son walks in without them noticing and thinks the MOM is gay and wants to find a way for her to know they accept her. It’s pretty wholesome. Until the mom finds out what larping is and thinks her son is a loser and treats him how you would expect an Italian catholic to react to being gay. Even brings in a priest to help him, just to kick the priest out for saying “larping isn’t a big deal, at least he’s not gay” throws him out the window and calls him a bigot 😂
So glad you’re talking about this episode!! I love Bones and every time I rewatch I have to skip this episode. It’s a very difficult watch. Great video Lily!!
Just here to say that you are one of my favourite creators! Keep up the good work comrade and love from Finland!
I think: Angela and Hodgins both thought Dr. Tanaka was hot. Hodgins is straight so he's saying "she" hoping they are female, and Angela is saying "he" to turn him away so that she could have a chance with them without Hodgins intervening. Which is why in the end she claims their "thing" moved. But thats how I always saw it lol. I agree with what you're saying! It's not in good taste anymore.
I love Bones, grew up watching it because I very much identified with Brennen. There is not enough videos about it on RUclips :( Thank you so much for making this :)
My sleep deprived brain thought your scarf was part of your hair and immediately got jealus...
Giddy to watch the episode
There are so many reasons why I would love for someone to write an actual sex positive storyline about these things in police procedurals. There's reasons why it's really hard to come back to watching bones. Have you ever considered doing a crossover with 'skip the intro' on the next coppaganda?
Law&Order SVU has had some somewhat positive ones in the past but they're not super consistent on their stance haha
I think Monk (2009) made a really good episode about it, don’t remember which one but it was called “Mr monk and the playboy” and I think it tackles the theme pretty well.
Instead of demonizing the women, the episode instead has a message that humanizes sex workers and how they deserve to be safe whilst also talking about how this industry is very exploitive of women in general.
Oh yeah, I remember this one now! Yeah, looking back on their treatment of Dr. Tanaka is SUPER problematic...
19:00 Just so you're aware, Booth was referring to Lolita fashion, and "sweet Lolita" is a broadly correct term for the type of Lolita fashion the characters are wearing. It is completely unrelated to the book or movie Lolita; the name was selected in Japan and the book/movie Lolita is far less well known there. However, "loligirls" and "Lolita fashion" are TWO SEPARATE CONCEPTS and it's ignorant and a bit racist of Booth to imply they're the same; the line is also uncomfortable because it doesn't make sense for Booth to know the name of a random woman-centric fashion subtype, and it was also careless of the writers to not specify which Lolita meaning was being referred to, as most American viewers will think of the book or movie first.
If I took one of those stupid DNA tests, I'd come back whiter than a polar bear dining on pino grigio and buttered noodles. But my mom was adopted into a Japanese family as a child, and I was always super close to my Japanese grandfather, and this? The ending to this made me so, so mad. It's just. Ugh.
Is it just me or does it sound like Tanaka's voice was pitched down slightly?
Brian Tee was also the bad guy in Tokyo Drift and The Shredder in the flawed but fun TMNT: Out of the Shadows.
For a second I thought you meant the underground rap legend BONES I was gonna be real sad
that logistics breakdown at around 6:00 is exactly why I have so much trouble doing creative writing. I worry about someone doing that EXACT breakdown on me
it's ok, even if you made a mistake in that vein it doesn't mean you did something wrong as a writer or even necessarily need to fix it, it just means that some people have fun pointing out that stuff
A lot of good stories have plot holes or little mistakes like that. As long as it’s well written many people will look past them. Keep writing. 👍 if you ever do publish someday, you can have someone beta read for you to catch those things.
Don't worry about it
As you write, you'll get better even if stuff like this happens, it doesn't fully matter. The worst thing that can happen to.
Any piece of writing or creative expression you put out for the public to see is for it to be ignored. And the second worst thing is for it to be insulted and though I get the. Fear behind that thing in fact, being invisible in my own writing is my biggest fear. And it's something you constantly have to just get over if you want to try creative writing at all and want to want to put it out there for the have to be okay with the possibility that people won't like it. Because you will probably find people who do like it.
I don't remember this episode of Bones, but then again, I was falling out of love with this show.
Same and for me it's mainly about one of the dudes being a total conspiracy nut. Hits a lot different in a post-Q Anon world.
I couldn't help laughing at the constant use of the "Asian music sting" because it made me think of the episode of Inside Job when they go to the town where everyone is mentally stuck in the 1980s, and Andre has a gong go off every time he says or does anything.
Ugh, bones has been on some channel or another and my parents have been rewatching it, this episode was on the other day and I couldn't appropriately communicate how uncomfortable it made me.
This video was great but I just wish there were more tangents
Not even watched it yet, but I agree! Can never have too many tangents.
12:57 extremely specific comment no doubt influenced by my being awake at 2 in the morning but this. sounds like a track from monster high ghoul spirit on the wii. personally i'd enjoy a version of bones that was entirely about the skeletons/bones in question just getting up and going to pursue their post-mortem educations or something instead of alive people doing bigotry
angela was my deadname so u can imagine how uncomfortable this video was for me lmao
bones bones bones, let me see your bones (but i don’t wanna know if the feeling follows home)
Bones bones bones, hell we're all alone. If I come home, baby, will you show your bones?
all nightmares start as dreams,
all love starts as a scheme
give me all your LSD
so I can feel my mind unweave again
@@sallyisbestgirl6908 So I can have a psychic daughter
Oh I remember that one episode and am now both curious and scared
Can you link the picrew you used for your profile picture?
@@tamarbeker1701 it seems the signature got cropped out when I made it a circular profile pic but it's supposed to say "nyurei", which should get you the picrew by just googling :3
@@tamarbeker1701 Google "nyurei", that accidentally got cropped it seems
@@tamarbeker1701 I may be accidentally triggering some sort of automod, but if the thing hadn't been cropped it would say nyurei on it :3
@@jdatlas4668found it. Thanks!
Oooooh, dis gun be good. I can feel it in my... Bones.
Edit after completion: Yeah, this was a good video. Good job, Lily.
"dis gun be good"
What are you a ork?
@@FinallyAlone Ooh, look at mister gatekeeper here, trying to police others out of an innate insecurity of being unable to express authenticity. Queer up, mate.
@@Silverstar1995 They're hardly trying to insult you, they're just a nerd making a humourous observation about similarities to how orkz from Warhammer speak.
@@Silverstar1995
You really just went and made a whole ass scenario up in your head over a joke you didn't get.
And you call me insecure, how ironic.
@@Silverstar1995Might be time to log off, chief.
22:00 btw in japanese gendered pronouns arent the one used by someone to talk about someone else, its those used by someone to talk about themselves. From what i can remember (and im not japanese, ive just seen videos by japanese ppl explaining that) there's boku for young boys and sometimes tomboys, watashi for women and for men when being polite, and there's ore for more manly men. I think there's more but that's the main ones. So even if there was personnal pronouns in the articles she found, their gender could still be a blur
IIRC "jibun" is the most neutral personal pronoun?
@@MissSun23 I knew I was forgetting one ! Yeah I think you're right !
The whole "time and temperature" ramble is cracking me up, but also I'd be procrastinating getting to the racist transphobia too. XD
Lily, I understand your distaste regarding how the scene was written and presented, but you do know that "lolita" is a real Japanese street fashion that has nothing to do with sexual fetishism, right?
I'm not sure the *show* knows this... (Booth calls the women working at the cafe both "loli girls" and "sweet lolitas")
@@sgthebee
Yeah, agreed.
It's some good fashion.
Bones didn't acknowledge that, though.
Kinda the opposite.
my distaste was mostly directed towards the way that Booth interacted with it
It's not like they're entirely detached, either, though.
@@sgthebee "Sweet lolita" is a substyle just like "gothic lolita", though. Now, I'm not saying the show was GOOD--- it was horribly orientalist and whatever they were wearing looked closer to a maid costume, but a footnote on it being a real fashion that was misrepresented would have been nice.
There's bones inside me? A spooky skeleton who copies everything i do? 😮
*AND IT'S SMILING????*
Shout out to John Francis Daley, who plays Lance Sweets, but who has absolutely been killing it career-wise for the past several years. It's a shame the D&D movie didn't perform as well as it could in theaters, but that's what happens when your parent company pulls some shady shit and you end up with half a dozen boycotts in a week.
Also, the fact you spent so much time going into the day/night thing for this episode was so fucking good.
14:40 this is unbelievably cringe. Firstly, the music is like when american shows show african countries and play bongo drums. (Also its way more Chinese than Japanese) Secondly, why are they bowing? Their bows are so weirdly overemphasized it's so uncomfortable.
I guess you gotta make sure people know "these people are foreigners with weird traditions that westerners find so weird"
I live outside DC and can say with absolute certainty that the people who write these shows have no idea where anything in the area is in relation to each other.