Bigger tyres and larger wheels also mean more rotational weight. Extra rotational weight slows down the acceleration significantly, especially for engines with not a lot of torque. It is so much more than just "some extra pounds (or kilos) in the car". Besides, semi-slick tyres are usually extremely heavy. There are some models that contain a lot of metal in their tread and technology. So usually, the tyre gets even heavier than the rim. And the further the extra mass is from the axis of wheel, the more significantly it affects the performance. Good vid tho!
Thats right,in spain we ride on the Mrk24 255/235 17” and on Mr2zz 235/215 17” or some 235 square,what you lose in punch,gain in grip and a much more docile behavior
Love your content , big fan and subscriber. You said your friend (Gabe) from Japan runs 15X9+30, I can’t seem to find any such size. Can you please confirm his wheel specs? Rims, tires and suspension setup ?
@@ivan_b28 no, only had those sizes. My track aw11 runs the same tyres and sizes but 8" up front with the 225 and a 9" up rear with the 245. Ar1's seem to have a narrow shoulder, fit the 8" rim without bellow, on the 9" extremely flush with the rim lip.
@@feral4mr2 oh then that’s fine, a 245 on a 9’ isn’t optimal for max performance but works good. Thought you had the 245 on an 8’, since you didn’t mention the 9’s
I found the 17" 215/235 combo maybe a bit too much for a stock 2zz, handling obviously makes a big difference compared to 15" 205 square, but the lack of mid range and the extra 5~6% longer ratio is also pretty much noticeable. A remap easily helps with 10-15hp on that range so maybe it can help to overcome that. For a stock 2zz I think the 15" 205/225 combo would work really nice for street/track use, but tyre choices in 225 are very limited in 15" in (s)pain
At a complete loss to know what to put on my 01 car. I was thinking of doing a staggered set up like the face lift cars (15" X 7" EB38 front) + (16" X 7 EB38 rear). Then the question of tyres was something like 195s + width?? (Front) and 205 + widths (rears). I only really use the car on the road but intend to put more power in the future
prev owner of my car swore only 205 would fit on kosei 15x7 in some hyper-common offset for mr-s (sorry don't remember. but it's "the one" everyone gets). this is on an 01 with Fortune Autos. Now it almost seems pretty far fetched. You sure you don't also have anything else you may have forgotten about? (arms? extensions - such as spacers - etc) I just can't love a bicycle tire on a mid engine sports car. If i could run 245s I'd be so much more visually satisfied and in the future I may be doing the monocrat kit should I be lucky enough to purchase it by the time I can afford one. really hate the look of a 7"
Hi Emilio, just curious what height of your tires is on the 15’s? I am trying to reverse engineer the height to see if I can get a 16x7.5 +38 with a 225/45r16 up front.
In Your older video with TechnoPro Spirit visit, shop owner said that they run 15" 205 front and 16" 225 rear for street use and 16" 225 front and 17" 245/255 for track. Have You ever tried this setup? My 04' MR2 came standard with 15" 185 front and 16" 215 rear and iIm currently searching for new tires for next season.
I feel like they did that because tire size was quite limited back in the days for 15's. These days you wont have to stagger the diameter to run a wider tire in the rear
Hey man, I have a 1989 MR2 with 420k miles, does 205 square fit in your car? If it does, do you think it'll fit in my car? Thank you in advance Mr Tougetime
I have a couple aw11's and a spyder. 205 square with ease, though run a offset like +25 if you like a flush look. You can also run similar size tyres to what's mentioned in the video. Both my spyder and one of my aw11's share the same set of wheels, 15x8 +32 with 225 45 up front and 245 40 up rear. Granted these are nankang ar1's that seem to have a narrow shoulder for the size. My track aw11 runs 15x8 +25 225 45 up front and 15x9 +35 245 40 up rear. Same tyres as other set of rims.
@@feral4mr2 Yo, I've been looking to get ahold of you since you are the only other serious AW11 guy I've seen. I"m upgrading to my wheel and tire set up this year for my TT class and wanted to know if 15x9 +35 with 245/40/15s will work in the rear without serious modifications.
Heads up to anyone watching, if you run 15x9 +35 using BC DS coils you'll have to remove some material from the lip of where the body mounts to the knuckle. If you haven't gotten coilovers yet, do yourself a favor and get a real set like how Emilio has...
@@TougeTime Thanks for the input! been thinking of 15's,16's, or 17's. now it's clearer for me to have a good set of 15'ss! more power and videos for you buddy!
Surprised you are running squared. If you weren't in the North West I'd invite you to our track over here to do some indepth testing and compare set ups but 3000 miles is too much of a trip.
@@TougeTime So what's your track set up? You said you don't like to run 17s with 255/235 cause you lose power to the wheels but you never said what you do like to run on track.
The front inner wells are a lame design. I recall the widest front wheel that can fit is 6.5 inches with a 185 tires...No performance 👎👎👎 And as stated the engine and transmission are super weak sauce.
@@ErikSeastead I run 205 on 6.5 17s in front which did rub just a little on full compression before the plastic stuff was sorted. But if I had wheels with different offset I could go wider with no problem at all
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Best video ever.. no blog bullshit no dumb crap.. just real car talk and straight to the point...
Bigger tyres and larger wheels also mean more rotational weight. Extra rotational weight slows down the acceleration significantly, especially for engines with not a lot of torque. It is so much more than just "some extra pounds (or kilos) in the car".
Besides, semi-slick tyres are usually extremely heavy. There are some models that contain a lot of metal in their tread and technology. So usually, the tyre gets even heavier than the rim. And the further the extra mass is from the axis of wheel, the more significantly it affects the performance.
Good vid tho!
Thats right,in spain we ride on the Mrk24 255/235 17” and on Mr2zz 235/215 17” or some 235 square,what you lose in punch,gain in grip and a much more docile behavior
Awesome info! Crazy that 245s fit
Ya pretty much you can fit 255 17 rear with 245f if u needed it. U can fit 275 rear but there aren't many tire options
@@TougeTime That's insane to me. I'll probably start out with 225/205 stagger on mine
@@jonwebb9261 yup. Just letting people know what is possible
@@TougeTime yeah it's great info man, thank you!
Love your content , big fan and subscriber.
You said your friend (Gabe) from Japan runs 15X9+30,
I can’t seem to find any such size.
Can you please confirm his wheel specs?
Rims, tires and suspension setup ?
Got some 15x8 +32 buddyclubs on mine. 225 45 on front, 245 40 rear. Feels great.
Did you try 205/225? Would probably be equally fast, a 245 tire doesn’t perform as good on a 8’ rim.
@@ivan_b28 no, only had those sizes. My track aw11 runs the same tyres and sizes but 8" up front with the 225 and a 9" up rear with the 245.
Ar1's seem to have a narrow shoulder, fit the 8" rim without bellow, on the 9" extremely flush with the rim lip.
@@feral4mr2 oh then that’s fine, a 245 on a 9’ isn’t optimal for max performance but works good. Thought you had the 245 on an 8’, since you didn’t mention the 9’s
@@ivan_b28 I did have 245 on 8" on the rear of the Spyder. The 245 on 9" is on my aw11 track car.
I found the 17" 215/235 combo maybe a bit too much for a stock 2zz, handling obviously makes a big difference compared to 15" 205 square, but the lack of mid range and the extra 5~6% longer ratio is also pretty much noticeable. A remap easily helps with 10-15hp on that range so maybe it can help to overcome that.
For a stock 2zz I think the 15" 205/225 combo would work really nice for street/track use, but tyre choices in 225 are very limited in 15" in (s)pain
It depends on wheel cross section tough. I run 17 205 40 which is pretty close to stock ratio.
Interesting! Thats pretty damn wide! Good to know.
For everyone following those springs rates just know the tracks are very smooth in California. I'd adjust accordingly based on your track surface.
I am not in California. Haha. My street car is 7k 10k no issue.
At a complete loss to know what to put on my 01 car. I was thinking of doing a staggered set up like the face lift cars (15" X 7" EB38 front) + (16" X 7 EB38 rear). Then the question of tyres was something like 195s + width?? (Front) and 205 + widths (rears). I only really use the car on the road but intend to put more power in the future
Thoughts on wheel setup for a 300whp turbo car?
prev owner of my car swore only 205 would fit on kosei 15x7 in some hyper-common offset for mr-s (sorry don't remember. but it's "the one" everyone gets). this is on an 01 with Fortune Autos. Now it almost seems pretty far fetched. You sure you don't also have anything else you may have forgotten about? (arms? extensions - such as spacers - etc)
I just can't love a bicycle tire on a mid engine sports car. If i could run 245s I'd be so much more visually satisfied and in the future I may be doing the monocrat kit should I be lucky enough to purchase it by the time I can afford one. really hate the look of a 7"
Hi Emilio, just curious what height of your tires is on the 15’s?
I am trying to reverse engineer the height to see if I can get a 16x7.5 +38 with a 225/45r16 up front.
What about stock struts?
In Your older video with TechnoPro Spirit visit, shop owner said that they run 15" 205 front and 16" 225 rear for street use and 16" 225 front and 17" 245/255 for track. Have You ever tried this setup? My 04' MR2 came standard with 15" 185 front and 16" 215 rear and iIm currently searching for new tires for next season.
You can run literally any set up on track and street lmao it doesn’t really matter as long as you‘re comfortable with it
I feel like they did that because tire size was quite limited back in the days for 15's. These days you wont have to stagger the diameter to run a wider tire in the rear
For auto x you run Camber at -4 rear and -3 front. What are your Toe settings for auto x?
I dont change it for autox. Also don't really autox much anymore in general
Will f1 tires fit without hammering the wheel wells? asking for a friend.
Driven Media made a video about a spyder with f1 tyres. Might wanna check that out
Hey man, I have a 1989 MR2 with 420k miles, does 205 square fit in your car? If it does, do you think it'll fit in my car? Thank you in advance Mr Tougetime
I can answer this question. Yes. The AW11 can run 205 squared no problem and 225 squared no problem on 15s.
No. Sell the car.
I have a couple aw11's and a spyder. 205 square with ease, though run a offset like +25 if you like a flush look. You can also run similar size tyres to what's mentioned in the video. Both my spyder and one of my aw11's share the same set of wheels, 15x8 +32 with 225 45 up front and 245 40 up rear. Granted these are nankang ar1's that seem to have a narrow shoulder for the size.
My track aw11 runs 15x8 +25 225 45 up front and 15x9 +35 245 40 up rear. Same tyres as other set of rims.
@@TougeTime as much as I enjoy my spyder. Aw11 ftw! 🤣
@@feral4mr2 Yo, I've been looking to get ahold of you since you are the only other serious AW11 guy I've seen. I"m upgrading to my wheel and tire set up this year for my TT class and wanted to know if 15x9 +35 with 245/40/15s will work in the rear without serious modifications.
Heads up to anyone watching, if you run 15x9 +35 using BC DS coils you'll have to remove some material from the lip of where the body mounts to the knuckle. If you haven't gotten coilovers yet, do yourself a favor and get a real set like how Emilio has...
Interesting. I know annex can run 15x9 as well.
Not a big deal. Just did that today on my bc racing rm to fit a 15x9 et35 wheel.
I guess 22's are out the question
245 with what profile though?
I run 245 40 15 rear of mine, 15x8 +32
Hello Mr. Time what is your wheel and tire setup? Trying to see what will fit my 3zz swapped 1981 ford cortina thanks in advance
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205 square fits???????
You might have to remove your fenders entirely
have you tried to run in 16's?
No. There are limited competitive tire size options.
@@TougeTime Thanks for the input! been thinking of 15's,16's, or 17's. now it's clearer for me to have a good set of 15'ss! more power and videos for you buddy!
@Vince Apolinario I think 15 16 stagger looks best but no good options. I kind of what for street though haha
@@TougeTime yes no good options for staggered and I'm also using it for daily so a square set up is definitely my choice.
I run 245/275 on 17s need a big A$$ hammer also
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Surprised you are running squared. If you weren't in the North West I'd invite you to our track over here to do some indepth testing and compare set ups but 3000 miles is too much of a trip.
I only run square for autox. Video pretty much explains that you can run 245 square if u wanted
@@TougeTime So what's your track set up? You said you don't like to run 17s with 255/235 cause you lose power to the wheels but you never said what you do like to run on track.
@Zero Hikari I run 15x9 225 245 on track. It is in my cr-s tire review
@@TougeTime Why a narrower front tire on track?
@@Catbert814 I like understeer
I'm so lame I'm running only 205 square Lol :'(
Emilio, love your wheels on your MR2 Spyder. What is the exact name and model of your wheel?
konig dekagram 15x9 +35
The front inner wells are a lame design. I recall the widest front wheel that can fit is 6.5 inches with a 185 tires...No performance 👎👎👎 And as stated the engine and transmission are super weak sauce.
My car fits 205 on stock wheels just fine.
@@ErikSeastead I run 205 on 6.5 17s in front which did rub just a little on full compression before the plastic stuff was sorted. But if I had wheels with different offset I could go wider with no problem at all
@@lucaballardini1 yeah, 17s are huge on a 15 car
sucks that for a daily you cant find ANY 225-245 15 inch tire less than $200 that wont mess the speedometer