it is sad that brilliant minds such as Niel are wasting theirs and our time indulging garbage like Terence, just ignore such people please Niel.. @startalk
Brilliant quote. I have to keep that in mind when I think of another good one: It doesnt't work, because it's true - It's true, because it works. These are not contradictions. I got to put some thought it them together anyway.
Not a huge NDT fan but he’s 100% correct here. He corrected this guy in private, the guy calls him out in public and now Neil has no choice but to show what he wrote. grammar and spelling errors, no edit mad respect.
Terrance could not handle legitimate feedback. And NDT spent way more time with Terrence's garbage treatise than it was deserving of. Its like someone who didn't even graduate high school telling you that "all of mathematics is WRONG".
@@AmritZoadthough I do agree that the exaggeration here by the original comment is inappropriate as calling someone an idiot would undermine the sanctity and credibility of the peer review by even Mr Tyson's standards as he repeatedly emphasizes respect I also find your comment unnecessarily aggressive as it is indeed an honor for a well-respected, accomplished and known figure in any field to take time out of their presumably busy day to review your work and provide proper criticism based on their cast knowledge in any scholarly work a thumbs up from someone of similar stature to Mr Tyson would be greatly enviable and appreciable, these are not simps, just people who admire a scientist as their idol and would like to reach a similar level of competency and as any other would like a encounter with their idol in their journey, they aren't pathetic or without self respect just humble and reasonable. I understand a certain bias where you find Mr Tyson reprehensible for other factors but as far as this comment is concerned he is approached in his capacity as a scientist in the field in which he is indisputably accomplished and knowledgeable and other factors should not encroach on his credibility here. And compared to several more degenerate possibilities where a person may be ensnared in a masochistic cult like group like for instance people who follow let's say tate indiscriminately or some other similarly degenerate figure that would be without self-esteem and should fit the moniker of simps better than someone who admires accomplished scientists
My father, S. C. Wright, who died 6 years ago at 95, was a physicist at the University of Chicago. Mr. Tyson, I know he would have enjoyed your talks. I can offer no higher praise.
biggest load of cope ... a genius is generally a person whom makes the misunderstood-understood to the masses. nobody cares if youre smart and are unable to articulate yourself
@@TommiiBhis comment is a “part” of being genius. Within the scope of mathematics and science you are often time mis understood until your idea has been proven to be genius.
Neil had this in his hand for 8 years and never once mentioned it. Only now that TH mentioned his name did he come forward with a response. 100% Respect
This is really a teaching moment. He's making some broad points about the scientific method. Also a point about people who spout "opinions" as "facts". Conspiracy theory based ideas are easy to spout. A lot of it is based on attacking "experts" and their motives. Good to see NDT defending himself.
DIDNT THINK OF THAT. WOW THATS BEAUTIFUL. PROTECTED HIM SO HE DOESNT GET RIDICULED WHILE ON THE PATH OF LEARNING TILL HE ATTACKED THOSE WHO DEDICATED THEY LIFE TO EVIDENCE.
Not only did he say: no you are wrong He said the reasons he are wrong and even welcomed terrence to correct him and write back with the support og someone else… terrence is delulululusional
At no point in your incoherent rambling could anything be even considered a vaild response. Everyone in this room is now dumber having listened to it. I award you no points. And may God have mercy on your soul.
I am so sick of ego in our culture today. You were very generous giving your time to Mr. Howard. Please continue to be a beacon of reason, logic, and hope for the intellectually inclined.
Sorry bub (Terence), the scientific method is harsh but it's that way because it needs to be to sort fiction from fact. We can either accept it or look for trouble.
Where was everyone to peer review Fauci and Frederick Stare. Plz. Peer review means nothing when everyone is bought. Annnd. Walter Russel was a beast of a person. Cross reference all his accomplishments. There are some simple reasons he was blacklisted. Heck, many were blacklisted after him like Linus Pauling. People speak truth and the cowards stay quiet.
@@brittanycarriger have you ever read a book before? 36 pages is nothing when your entire life is reading/studying. not to mention some of those pages were picture illustrations only.
I think Neil had a rather polite way of telling someone "You are completely wrong and have no real knowledge about anything you talk about, but you draw nice pictures".
Which was the most ignorant thing why howard said what he said. Funny that howard has a patent that nearly every top company is using but Neil has discovered nothing at all but going to institutions and having the same scientific eduction that every scientist has. Its the innovators and creative minds that Neils learning from in the first place loool the irony
I am so fortunate to have landed on this channel. Dunning Kruger effect is an ever prevalent problem in this age of misinformation. We need to be able to correct and critique each other without offence being taken. Proving a theory/presumption wrong is sometimes just as helpful as proving it right, particularly if it leads to advancement.
@@WuTangChopstick geniuses often get misunderstood by their peers because their ideas seem too far-fetched. But to simply have someone misunderstand your logic, doesn’t make you a genius.
Doing a peer review is sometimes taken as a personal attack. You took your time to review it, he took it as an insult. You don't have time to review everyone's theories. Terrence received what most of us will never get.
i wish my misunderstood ideas of many concepts were debunked by him . he took his time to read every word and answered accordingly and terrence still complains
Constructive criticism should be seen as a GIFT! For someone to donate their time to you is priceless, they cannot get that time back. Receive it with humility and respect.
What I would not do to have Neil shred my paper about a mechanism that could potentially "generate" some portion of what we call dark matter (not detailing it here there's a paper on it)... Whatever there is a much shorter list of the things I wouldn't do. It has already been peer reviewed by professors at Stanford, William & Mary, and CERN... Neil?! That would jump straight to the top of that list. I would frame every 1 of the those pages and lined my house with them if I was him.
I have to be honest, I have been critical of NdGT's more recent communication styles. However, this is a MASTERCLASS in explaining and applying scientific scrutiny, and I will remember it as such.
Totally agree. This was indeed enlightening and understandable even for a layperson like myself. Neil was very respectful and explained every single one of his points in a clear and concise manner. If Howard still thinks he was dissed, it's *his* problem.
There are many lines Neil said in this video that are very mind-blowing, but the fact that Neil kept this private for 8 years shows you how noble this man is! RESPECT!
@@rob19204 yes because this video is private. Nobody heard him mention dunn-krueger effect or anything like that. That’s like saying “yo mama” in the science world. That’s a diss, saying TH is is experiencing the Dunn Krueger effect.
@@Artemis0798 This video came after he made it public? He corrected him in private before Terrance brought it up. And the thing is, he explains HOW Terrance is experiencing the DK effect, so it's not just a diss.
This is why i call myself a space enthusiast as opposed to a space expert. Do i know a lot about space? No. Do i like it a lot? Absolutely. Space is cool.
Dr. Tyson actually has done TH a huge favor by seriously considering TH's concepts. Dude got his theory professionally peer-reviewed by NDT. That is an honor.
Yeah, Tyson doesn't have the most gentle demeanor, and he adores debunking things, so I imagine he didn't pull any punches. Howard is an an actor, he got his ego hurt.
@@seekerofthemutablebalance5228 So the main assertation in the thesis that "It can never occur, that the square root of a given number when added to itself is greater than the initial number squared" wasn't addressed? This is the thesis of the paper. It was addressed and dismissed mediately with the set of all numbers between 0 and 1. Did you watch the review?
@@seekerofthemutablebalance5228 ..you're not the brightest bulb in the box huh? He literally addresses each thing point by point directly under the incorrect parts. Which was basically the entire paper
@@frankmarano1118 lmao clearly your dim bulb didn't watch the Joe Rogan podcast but the square root thing was barely mentioned and certainly not the interesting part that bro was pushing. Ie. Redefining how the universe is built at a fundamental level, etc. Which is perhaps all entirely flawed but not addressed by Ole grasse
Terrence sees 1 as a unit for something else so when he says 1 x 1 = 2+ he means 1A x 1B = 2+ It’s a semantic issue within their math for example; get one person with another person together and they’ll have more than two times faster output
but youre not getting 1 person and another person together when you're writing 1x1, what you're actually saying is "I am adding one group of one person to zero"
@@jordinhocharlesI have heard it elsewhere but I hardly think it’s original. Similar contra-points have been made by others but it’s a good one nonetheless.
I'm impressed, Neil turned being blasted by Tarance Howard into a teaching moment about the importance of science and the peer review. I learn so much from this man.
I think he's a little overconfident in the strength of peer review. It's only as good as the peers who review it. The method itself does not guarantee good results. It only works as long as the people are intelligent and are acting in good faith.
That's right, if functioning, peer review is very effective at directing truth and falsehood. When it's not functioning you get the replication crisis effecting the social sciences
@@Dragon-Believerthat’s right. And the peer review is only done by colleagues and superiors who are considered experts in the field. Last paper I submitted for publication, the peer review process was conducted by other doctors in the same field as me with years of experience. The journal I wanted to publish in has a committee of what we consider experts who give their review. That’s what he means. He gave the simplest answer possible but it’s much more thorough than what he presented lol.
Social media has accelerated the Dunning-Kruger Effect to unsustainable levels. Somewhat paradoxically, the internet has spread knowledge, information and insight to all corners of the world -- yet in doing so, has made the world dangerously ignorant.
Kudos to Neil deGrasse Tyson for this respectful and well articulated critique. Easily, he could have dismissed the pseudo-science treatise as unfounded but instead took the time to review this document by Terrence Howard and provide constructive analysis. Total class and professionality!
I'm glad he put this video up Terrance is wrong and strong about his theories. His way of thinking is harmful to the scientific community and spreads misinformation to those not in the community.
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I love that he took the time to put him on a level to even receive a peer review. He loved that he wanted to be a part of a scientific discussion. He tried to show him in private where his thoughts weren’t right. He didn’t blast him. He continued to show respect. Terrance shouldn’t have brought up that it happened. Imagine having the chance to have Neil Degrasse Tyson peer review your thoughts on science! I’d feel privileged to be taken that seriously!
Ikr? In fact I'm not even sure if Terrence even offered to pay NDT for it. Peer review isn't a side job for scientists, it's their actual job and yet Howard had him peer review something presumably for free. Tyson then with respect did his job and politely indicated the mistakes while giving credit where it was due all for free and Howard got but hurt.
Like a peer review is supposed to mean something. So you have to have a degree in order to provide a peer review. Does anyone remember Srinivasa Ramanujan when he started to resort to his religion for his inspiration in mathematics while his Gentile English professors wanted proofs? Before he went to school, he was writing professors at Cambridge about his thoughts and theorems regarding mathematics. He had to take his religious experience for mathematics and dumb it down for The Gentile English professors at Cambridge. The fact is most scholarly articles are peer-reviewed by Europeans as is the case for most Noble Peace Prize winners. Don't believe the hype!
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You weren’t too harsh. Just pointed out issues with his writing and “facts” that’s what a review is. The fact that you took the time to do so is a huge compliment.
Yeah, most results are negative because most hypotheses are wrong. If human minds came up with the right idea EVERY time we think of something we'd be like gods.
To an extent. If all your peers tell you your facts are wrong and make no sense, but you then go on to use your influence to preach incorrect information and claim them as proven facts and statements, then there is a problem. This is what Terrance does 😅
@user-zl8pp4nq5r oh...I thought the commenter said he received a peer review from a renowned astrophysicist. I didn't see the part about high above everybody else. Must've missed it.
@@AchilIesWhat are you smoking? Harvard only offers Bachelors of Arts at undergraduate level, I swear you got your knowledge of what degrees are from the back of a cereal box.
@@AchilIesTBH it was a BA in Physics and an MA in Physics. He did obtain a PhD in astrophysics from Columbia. But, I agree, he admits he didn't spend much time in the lab/research. He is a good science communicator and is perfect for TH.
NDT basically said "This doesn't make sense but hey, those are pretty shapes you drew there :)" Perfect way to address someone who clearly has no knowledge beyond preschool.
I mean, you were obviously respectful and honest, and corrected him in private. He brought it up... now, not only does everyone (who has thinking capability) think he's crazy, we also know he's easily offended and can't take criticism without thinking it's a personal attack. Sad for Terrence.
It seems that the physics Mr. Howard subscribes to is the electric model of the universe, which is fine, except for its flaws -- e.g., the lack of explanations for origins, energy abudance, and its discounting of fusion in stars. There isn't any reason to knock a persons ideas on its own .. the grating parts are his refusal to attribute demonstrable merits to the gravity-based model, conspiracy mongering, God complex, and preaching ("teaching").
@@kaushikroy4041 Terrance Howards work shows either a middle school understanding of mathematics, or weaponized incompetence to prove his point either way there’s not much there to respect. If it is all a bit then it’s a good one, but if not then he’s either incompetent or malicious with his explanations of physics
I think he felt obliged to put this out of commission before people made a fuss about it. Seeing as an actor was pushing it and it was likely to gain some attention in the media space but quite frankly an unworthy distraction for scientists and ultimately an embarrassment for Terrence. As an acquaintance who cared, Neil felt the need to save him from that by explaining in detail how each assertion was lacking in merit and in some places with examples. But Terrence needs the publicity. So here we go
If I wrote a letter to Dr Tyson with my ideas on physics, and he actually took the time to respond in such detail, I would be deeply honored. Even if 100% of his reply was him telling me it was all wrong. What a gift that would be to receive.
a⧈b=(a×b)+(a+b−1) The thing is volumetric multiplication ie $1×$1=$2 whereas normal system $1×1=$1... because $1×$1=$2 is a volumetric multiplication it follows the new applied Howard rule for volumetric calculation i created a⧈b=(a×b)+(a+b−1)...
@Coolfullmoonguy You don't multiply pennies with each other. The result would be measured in a unit called penny-squared, same reason as to why you won't multiply dollars with each other to get some value which is measured by dollar-squared. You don't multiply money, you add/subtract it A common use case is geometry, architecture, etc. 1 meter-squared is a measurement of area which is the result of 1 meter x 1 meter 1 square foot is also the same thing, 1 foot x 1 foot. When you convert feet to meters, 1 foot = 0.3048 meters. But when you convert square feet to square meters, it's 1 square foot = 0.092903 square meters. But how? because 1 square foot = 1 foot x 1 foot = 0.3048 meters x 0.3048 meters = 0.092903 squared meters (i took approximate values but you get the idea)
@Coolfullmoonguy Nothing of what you said makes sense. A mathematical fact doesn't have to be usefull to your day to day life, just like the vast majority of science doesn't (does star formation or quantum physics change how you live your life?). Most people will never need integrals in their life, yet they exists and have uses in math. Square root of 0.64 is 0.8 because 0.8*0.8 is 0.64, the fact that you don't have any uses for this in your life is meaningless.
@Coolfullmoonguyunits are important , when you get the área of a room you multiply lengths, ex. 5 m by 10 m and you get 50 SQUARED meters, a m² is not the same as a m. In the same sense 8 cents times 8 cents would be 64 cents² not 64 cents.
@Coolfullmoonguyits a second grade math mistake. you cant multiply cents by cents. to count money you are multiplying cents by how much you have them and you cant have decimal number of cents
What bothered me most wasn't his thoughts or ideas themselves. It was that SO many people started latching onto them, posting them, and calling others "sheep" if they didn't believe them. There is a large portion of society who just want to be contrarians...they didn't even understand the words he was saying. They just liked that he was opposing mainstream science and math.
Yeah, we're in scary times. Too many people who need a club, team, cult or something to blindly follow. Sophistry rules the day in these groups. That is the scary part of it all !!!!!!
Sadly many of them fall into being political contrarians and lose their moral compasses when criticizing their own "Side", Sadly this same behavior occurs in religion and science aswell.
That is so dead on accurate. These conspiracy theory nuts are so uneducated they just want to latch onto something so they can say they know more than you.
Careful, though. Richard Feynman warns against being too harsh against those with radical and misguided ideas because martyrdom is much more dangerous than simply being wrong.
I'm super impressed. I'm glad that he took the time to give examples of what was wrong with Howard's thesis. I also found it eloquent and thoughtful. Great job Mr. DeGrasse🎉
And that's a problem with peer-review and the culture in science. There is no reason to be anything but polite. Stick to the facts and numbers. Don't begin on psychological games, ad hominem attacks, denigration. It's just a reflection of the psychological needs of the person criticizing to bolster their own ego, and it speaks of weakness and confusion on all kinds of psychological and intellectual levels
The fact that Terrence felt "attacked" when a peer reviewed his work tells you everything you need to know about him as a pretend scientist. Perhaps revisiting the basic fundamentals of the scientific method is in order for dear Terrence, after which he is more than welcome to prove his theory that 1X1=2
Well he gloats about graduating high school with a 1.6 gpa and that he went to a graduate program that doesn’t exist 😂😂😂😂 So …. I mean yes…. in Terryland 1x1=2 😢😢😢😢 $1x$1=$2. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I can’t stand him 😂😂😂😂
@andrewlefevre9018 that isn't even what 1x1 means. It means you have 1 group of 1. The way you put it. If I have one apple then of course I have the same amount, the same one apple.
Well said! I'll piggyback off that and add that I'm grateful for all the scientists of the world. I don't have the brain for it, so I'm glad we have people like Neil figuring out all of life's mysteries.
This is an important video. Not because he explains his interaction with Howard, but because he gives world a much needed reminder of how valuable peer review, the scientific method, and straightforward honesty is. We need this insight now.
100%, the way he just explained peer review was very insightful. I feel like having this video before starting college (or even high school) could prove beneficial
It is important he showed his interaction with Terrence. I was willing to believe Neil got annoyed and was rude about the paper, because he does get snippy about science, but the comments he gave to Terrence that were “vitriol” were absolutely not that. And I won’t be the only one tuning into Neil a bit more frequently because of this clip reminding us he’s a pretty cool guy.
"The true essence of duality is a singularity. Likewise, the individual North and South pole magnets are not monopoles, but rather unipoles because a helix can only propagate toward one pole a time. Coincidentally, the mathematical term for either end of any helix is Pole."
Too bad Terrance didn't realize this. I'm guessing his ego can only take "honest" feedback if it confirms his delusions of grandeur. We should never be surprised when a proffesional actor displays classic symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder. He's been acting so long he believes his own stories and lives his own roles now.
Wow. This is probably the kindest and most respectful take on Terrance's theory I've ever seen. Honestly I have more respect for Neil now too just seeing how capable he is of both acknowledging the effort Terrance put into this, while also being honest and truthful about how his ideas don't square up to already established and proven science.
Something that is important to keep in mind is that it's not really the duty of scientists to debunk every crazy "revolutionary" idea. Nothing would get done.
@@hydrochloricacid6731 ok, then who deals with the brown and smelly? There's only so much basic education can do to. After you become an adult, the only way you get prooven wrong is if someone more educated takes the time to debunk you. Are we supposed to just let this guy and people like him go arround spreading their ideas with 0 foundation? I would say it _is_ the duty of scientists, actually. Just not their entire duty, no
a⧈b=(a×b)+(a+b−1) The thing is volumetric multiplication ie $1×$1=$2 whereas normal system $1×1=$1... because $1×$1=$2 is a volumetric multiplication it follows the new applied Howard rule for volumetric calculation i created a⧈b=(a×b)+(a+b−1)..
funny, he’s usually a self centred a hole who weighs in on a lot of things he has no idea about. But he’s respectful towards someone who is clearly insane? ok.
I remember well that during my interview for entrance into art collage the interviewer asked if my ego was strong enough to accept criticism and lots of it. This because one of the primary tools of teaching used in art school is for your work to be critiqued by both your teachers and your fellow students.
Or… grab some chalk, stand up and teach. If you’re not the smartest in the room, sit down, shut up and grab a pen and paper. The problem is, everyone thinks they’re the smartest in the room nowadays and lack in humility.
DeGrasse Tyson is always a class act. He's a scientist and he gave way more credit to Terrence Howard than he or his work deserved for the quality of logic and thinking presented in his "thesis". He didn't ridicule Terrence in any way. Tyson was at times blunt but not unfair.
Yeah, welcome to the age of social media, where absolutely everything goes, particularly the proliferation of ignorance and esotheric 'science' like this utter piece of crap 'treatise'.
Maybe that has something to do with the CIA's fake polio vaccine campaigns, anti-vax campaigns, lies about all the things (including Iraqi WMDs) and a general (and well-deserved) distrust of supposedly "authoritative voices"?
I like how people are saying Neil is attacking him. We used to do this in middle school: writing essays, having them on the projector, fixing grammar mistakes, and checking facts. It's common stuff. People who are praising Howard are the same kids who didn't pay attention in school.
The people that are praising Howard are his future victims. He will sell them a bs book. If he sells them a few million books he will be making millions of $. He can retire on that and live a good life.
Getting a public peer review from NDT would be an honor. He’s respected highly in his field. I don’t believe he was trying to be rude. Rather, treating Terrance as a fellow student of the science.
"Never trust an astrophysicist who acts like a Diva." Neil tyson destroyed having a meltdown: ruclips.net/video/IJYaZ8Ky4Xg/видео.htmlsi=GjQunWx3-vxMD8k1
I’ve worked in STEM for about 14 years now, and one of my fave quotes is from Kurt Vonnegut in the novel ‘Cat’s Cradel.’ Dr. Hoenikker used to say that any scientist who couldn't explain to an eight-year-old what he was doing was a charlatan. - Said by Dr. Asa Breed; chapter 15
As a journal editor, I thank you for this clear explanation of peer review, how it works, and why it’s necessary. And it also demonstrates why the vast majority of academic peer review is anonymous, so there’s no animosity between the parties.
@@happyzone1000If they were editing the submission, the original author would raise an alarm. If they were conspiring to publish a fake paper with bad evidence, other people wouldn't be able to reproduce the experiment's results.
There are many reviewers of journals volunteering their service and expertise. The editor is in charge of the process, but not the sole expert giving feedback. Further, to respond most directly to "How do we know you're not editing the evidence?" authors are part of the review process until they approve it for publication. Authors want editors to touch their work as little as possible. Edits to actual results by reviewers are virtually unheard of and would not be accepted by the authors seeking to publish their original work. Most unethical manipulation of data to improve or enhance findings can be attributed to individual authors/labs and have nothing to do with the editing process.
I’m guilty of taking small amounts of info and running with it until I ran into someone who truly knew the topic and it’s safe to say I never did that again
Same here. We all have been guilty of that, if were being honest. When we drop the ego and don't react emotionally, you can better take "constructive criticism" in stride.
It feels good when you know a little of something that most don't but it's a very humble/humiliating moment when you run into someone who knows just a bit more. I just stay quiet now 😂
I think it's interesting that Terrence started his paper by listing names. Scientific papers don't usually do that, unless they are specifically basing their research on somebody else's previous work. He was basically trying to draw equivilance between his work and the preceived great works, which turned out to be not so great after all, of others to lend himself a false layers of credibility. That to me is a red flag.
I cried the first time I received the peer reviews on my first research article. I was only 26 yo and thought two year of work was down the drain, my professor and mentor laughed it off, asked me to get it together and get to work on the suggestions and comments of the reviewers. No doubt that after working through those comments, my thesis was in a much better shape. Peer review can be brutal but it’s not a reflection or a comment on your intelligence or (lack of) hard work. Peer review process may be not the ideal solution for objective science, but its probably the only solution research community has right now that kinda works.
well you were not a celebrity actor ,if you were maybe your professor and mentor wouldnt have laughed it off,but be nice ,and ask for tickets to your new movie ;),dont let others disrupt you, find peers that oppose and support you, in there u find the truth and answers to your work
@@jimmyalfonzo exactly but sometimes that doesn't seem to be the case in the science community especially when those reviewing have prominent celebrity Status,their ego becomes a problem to their judgement 🤔
One of my favorite sayings reflects the Dunning-Kruger effect: When they give you a bachelor's degree, you think you know everything. They give you a Masters when you realize you don't know anything. And they give you a PhD when you realize no one else knows anything, either!
Probably incorrect. More like bachelors degree - participation trophy, masters degree - actual intro courses, PhD - specialize in a subject and at the end of the PhD you are finally at the starting line. Many dumb PhD grads. The minority of PhD grads are smart and capable enough to advance the subject, which are often put in research and teaching roles in universities. It’s also why your average PhD grad won’t be a teacher or researcher.
Except that a lot of people who are career experts in a given area actually do know a lot about those areas and understand more than other people do about those topics.
I’m in grad school. The funniest part about Howard’s reactions to the peer review is that every grad student goes through that with their advisor at first. It’s hard seeing your work torn to pieces, but you slowly learn that your advisor isn’t trying to be mean, but is being terse because they (hopefully) genuinely care about developing you as a scientist.
I have spent most of my professional life in this feedback loop, and never understood why people got upset. I am where I am today, because I know a lot. The way I learned a fair amount of it, was someone telling me I was wrong. When I discover something, I assumed was true, is not true, I get excited, because now I know more than I did before. It never upset me.
He's an actor and a fool as is anyone that believes anything he has to say about space period ! Neil that is !!!!! Terrance is speaking truth to the world's lies ! Respect is nothing more then him trying to keep his lies from being recognized for the fraud they are !
I worked as a researcher in a university in Belgium. I co-wrote a scientific article, which was sent out for peer review. I never had the feeling "what if they don't agree?". I was curious where we went wrong if we went wrong. It is a joy to be shown my mistakes. That is learning for me. Sometimes it can sting in the first moments, but it makes me think about it. I don't want friends who agree with me all the time. I want friends who are honest to me.
The phrasing in your comment makes it look like you only wrote one paper. If that's the case, how did you end up working as a researcher and only have 1 peer review experience?
If I was performing research, writing a paper on it, and submitting to peer review I'd be more worried that I made mistakes and that I might not be thinking correctly, not that someone says I'm wrong. I'd be happy to get input because that's how I know if I'm on to something, and should continue. I'd only worry if I'm not capable of doing the research and getting somewhere with it.
This is true integrity and we hope that if we were lacking in it for anything a real friend would call it out and help you figure it out together. More heads are better than one. It's just how we roll 😎 🤷 and how we get the job done honesty is the best policy. I can give you an example of it going wrong and the letters are. C C and the letter P and they are red except skin colour
Thanks to the Dunning-Kruger effect I understand my confidence in my intelligence is overrated because my opening thesis in response to his paper would be "Terrence, what the f*ck are you talking about"
I find Dunning-Kruger to be self-condescending and self-flagellation. Sure, overestimation of one's ability is dangerous. But so is underestimation. But no one talks about the latter- especially material scientists in academia who don't have cojones to question authority. We need a balance, not this beta male tendency of "oh oh... I am sure I am so wrong... gee wish I was right" underconfidence. /endrant
@@god5535completely disagree, and thank god you arent in our labs and hospitals! if overconfident “alpha males”like you were in the labs then we would never progress
I prefer "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Terrance wasn't very respectful... there's a saying... " Correct an intelligent man and he will thank you.. correct a man who is not intelligent and he will hate you" terrance has no intelligence at all.. he is stuck in 3rd grade multiplication, and he believes 1x2 =3
Imagine dumping a 36 page thesis on how you think you've broken mathematics to an astrophysicist and one of the greatest scientific minds in the world, then getting mad when they reply back with "You got confused about some things, but I'm glad you're passionate about it and your art looks really cool dude"
Well, NDT is not nearly great, not even talking about greatest. He is a mediocre scientist, being of an underrepresented group and very good spoken and entertaining, he became popular on social media. But he is a scientist never the less.
@@bravesp1r1t23he actually isn’t a scientist and never has been. He leads the Hayden planetarium. He also isn’t a physicist, as you have to do real post doc work and research to be that. Merely having a PhD does not make you a physicist or scientist if you don’t do any actual real work after obtaining the degree
Props to the editor on this. Good job! Also on Terence Howard - this is a direct result of American lack of investment in education. It is the same in the UK, and makes me very worried.
Neil couldn't have been anymore nicer on his review for Terrence, and as far as I'm concerned, Terrence owes Neil an apology and a beer at the very least.
Man 🤦♂️ doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman yet wants to speak so authoritatively about science... 🤦♂️smh he owes Terence a drink and an apology.. #science #gender #equality
I'm glad to see the context in which the review was given. Truthful, concise, factual, and to the point. No superfluous commentary or comparisons of intellect between the two. Terence was taken seriously, and that's respect.
if you rewatch the disclaimer at the beginning this was never a peer review it was only ever an example of what a peer review would look like IF he deserved it.
Terrence should have been HONORED that NDT respected him enough to give a peer review to him. How amazing would it be to have this as a personal keepsake.
wow!lmao ,why? is NDT GOd of Science?was he born with the knowledge of science or did he learn science like TH too?,only TH is questioning what he was taught,and Neil is defending what he was taught lmao honored,bet u feel honored when a celebrity says your name lmao
@@Diboh I can't understand these NDT fanboys. He's full of knowledge, no question there. But why is he so praised? What did he change, what did he invent? He's giving people brain gymnastics, talking about deep space and parallel universes like he has been there. And he's giving himself the freedom to talk about Tesla and some other guys. He understand the current body of work but he doesn't think outside of the box, that's why he's not improving or inventing anything. Just being loud and enjoying his own voice.
We are glad you enjoyed this enough to leave your outside thoughts for us in this box, you should consider inviting some of your peer next to, yeah? @@irinnav5301
When I was in college I had a professor do something similar with one of my papers and it drove me because I learned my professor cared enough to take my work seriously.
Tyson doesn't take him seriously. He knows who will get massive attention from the general public. He wants to address this topic for anyone *else* who might actually take it seriously.
@jacksquatt6082 both things can be true. When he first received the thesis he took it serious enough to write back and "grade" his work, this video is to discuss his side and educate any who agree with Howard.
The idea that Neil has developed this thick skin by changing the idea of "they are criticizing me, and saying I'm wrong" to "they respected me enough to put as much if not more energy into reading my produced research paper to evaluate if I am wrong" shows that Neil had been proven or told he is wrong time and time again, but continues regardless! A lot of wisdom in there.
No, this is just standard in higher academia. Especially stem fields where lemmas and theorems can be probably false and it is of utmost importance to be correct
That is pretty much the peer review process. It’s normal to send papers to “second readers” who will hopefully read and comment thoroughly. You then submit to journals who will also send it back for edits, most of the time.
Yeah ... No if you're any sort of scientist, you HAVE to be faced with this criticism time and time again, it's not a special thing, every true scientist has had their ideas challenged with a fine tooth comb
Its kind of similar in art, real artists don't look for people saying "I love your art" Artists want to see the emotion whether is positive or negative towards it, then you know your work payed off.
Math is interesting because it assumes humans know everything about everything, however it dismisses anything that humans don't know. One major thing we do know is that we don't know a lot.
The process of publishing a scientific article in a specialized journal is much more rigorous and complex than most people realize. This process, known as peer review, ensures the quality and validity of research before it is published. Key aspects include anonymity, multiple reviews, detailed requirements, constructive criticism, and a lengthy process. Peer review is essential for ensuring the credibility of scientific research. It's a great honor that Neil DeGrasse Tyson has reviewed and annotated those 36 pages. From the first paragraph, it was already enough to stop and I think he dedicated too much time to this topic,
" Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it’s yours. It’s only a way station in the pursuit of knowledge. Ask yourself why you like the idea. Compare it fairly with the alternatives. See if you can find reasons for rejecting it. If you don’t, others will." ~Carl Sagan~
@@JulieW03Weigh Station: stopping point on a route for commercial vehicles to be weighed. Way Station; A stopping point along a route... maybe to hit the can or get a cup of something.
This is kind of like how in court, often circumstantial evidence is stronger than eye-witness accounts. We as humans are not very good instruments of observation, be we think we are and it's very hard to separate ourselves from our perception (esp vision) and discount that attachment.
@@SpaceboyGT What? "Nobody is completely useless, they can still serve as a bad example" is the German version. No metaphysics about it. Just common sense.
@@Muschelschubs3r it is common sense. i agree to the quote. birds build their nest in trees until houses were made. but that went over ya head. is it common sense for a bird to build a nest unto the gutter drain right the rooftop? is that bird smarter or autistic? if you lived in the city that is, you could be jus country and never seen a bird build its nest under a porch ceiling. this jus not ya common math here folks. this the stuff Optimus Prime is made of.
Yeah despite being a coked up fever dream, I think his value for curiosity is something to be admired. I would've tossed it after 3 lines and ghosted him, but that just might be the issue with science today. Neil respects every thesis as if it were his own and recognizes that most people will be wrong 1000x before they're right the firsr time. A lot of people are bullheaded about odd or different views nowadays. Not that we weren't before, but that mentality will lead us to destruction sooner than later.
Did you watch Terrence's JRE appearance?
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Grift city. I almost expect him to come out in a few years and shame all the people who offered him free credulity.
one 2 minute clip
did.... haven't heard so much bs confidently stated in my life
I think Terrence Howard is incredibly privileged to have received this peer review
Imagine his mailbox filled with peer review requests right now😂
yeah when a corporate shill does this to you, it means your onto something. the very old tactic of theft
Sadly he is too stubborn to appreciate that fact.
it is sad that brilliant minds such as Niel are wasting theirs and our time indulging garbage like Terence, just ignore such people please Niel.. @startalk
it's not a peer review it's a sneak dis. and now the whole enchilada will be exposed. about time.
My teacher once taught me, "whenever you have an idea that you think is brilliant idea, don't try to prove it right but try to prove it wrong."
Brilliant quote. I have to keep that in mind when I think of another good one:
It doesnt't work, because it's true -
It's true, because it works.
These are not contradictions. I got to put some thought it them together anyway.
Karl Popper, falsifiability
Yeah like proving Earth is a globe
We don't prove our hypothesis, we attempt to prove our null hypothesis.
“Taught” you… teacher here 😉
I’m high af but these diss tracks are going crazy this year
Neil = Kendrick
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Kung fu degrasse Tyson
Degrasse = Degrassi. Drake vibes
😂😂😂 you killing me bro
Rule of Thumb, never ask someone, “What do you think?” Unless you’re willing to hear the response.
Especially if one is as thin skinned as Terence. Lol
If Terrence hadn't brought it up, no one would know. Neil corrected him in private
Now here he is, looking like a fool with his pants on the ground
🤣🤣🤣@@gimilkhad8169
So true
Not a huge NDT fan but he’s 100% correct here. He corrected this guy in private, the guy calls him out in public and now Neil has no choice but to show what he wrote. grammar and spelling errors, no edit mad respect.
I been felt like 1x1 is 2 if you're multiplying it makes more sense
Ironically, the most viewed peer review in history
Terrance could not handle legitimate feedback. And NDT spent way more time with Terrence's garbage treatise than it was deserving of. Its like someone who didn't even graduate high school telling you that "all of mathematics is WRONG".
This is probably true... huh
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Easily! ..although technically they're not peers!
What makes it ironic
If Neil DeGrasse Tyson took the time to personally peer review my work, he could call me an idiot and I'd still be honored.
Every time I login I see different kind of simps with no self-respect on the internet.
@@AmritZoadthough I do agree that the exaggeration here by the original comment is inappropriate as calling someone an idiot would undermine the sanctity and credibility of the peer review by even Mr Tyson's standards as he repeatedly emphasizes respect I also find your comment unnecessarily aggressive as it is indeed an honor for a well-respected, accomplished and known figure in any field to take time out of their presumably busy day to review your work and provide proper criticism based on their cast knowledge in any scholarly work a thumbs up from someone of similar stature to Mr Tyson would be greatly enviable and appreciable, these are not simps, just people who admire a scientist as their idol and would like to reach a similar level of competency and as any other would like a encounter with their idol in their journey, they aren't pathetic or without self respect just humble and reasonable. I understand a certain bias where you find Mr Tyson reprehensible for other factors but as far as this comment is concerned he is approached in his capacity as a scientist in the field in which he is indisputably accomplished and knowledgeable and other factors should not encroach on his credibility here. And compared to several more degenerate possibilities where a person may be ensnared in a masochistic cult like group like for instance people who follow let's say tate indiscriminately or some other similarly degenerate figure that would be without self-esteem and should fit the moniker of simps better than someone who admires accomplished scientists
@@AmritZoad lol
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My father, S. C. Wright, who died 6 years ago at 95, was a physicist at the University of Chicago. Mr. Tyson, I know he would have enjoyed your talks. I can offer no higher praise.
Rest In Peace to your undoubtedly brilliant father!
Dr. Tyson.
“To be a genius is to be misunderstood, but to be misunderstood is not to be a genius” is so eloquent and so brutal it made my eyes water
That was pure gold
I love that line. Couldn’t be more true. 😂
biggest load of cope ... a genius is generally a person whom makes the misunderstood-understood to the masses. nobody cares if youre smart and are unable to articulate yourself
First we had katt williams, then kendrick, bow neil, what a year 😂
@@TommiiBhis comment is a “part” of being genius. Within the scope of mathematics and science you are often time mis understood until your idea has been proven to be genius.
Neil had this in his hand for 8 years and never once mentioned it. Only now that TH mentioned his name did he come forward with a response. 100% Respect
This is really a teaching moment. He's making some broad points about the scientific method. Also a point about people who spout "opinions" as "facts".
Conspiracy theory based ideas are easy to spout. A lot of it is based on attacking "experts" and their motives. Good to see NDT defending himself.
Respect 🫡
DIDNT THINK OF THAT. WOW THATS BEAUTIFUL. PROTECTED HIM SO HE DOESNT GET RIDICULED WHILE ON THE PATH OF LEARNING TILL HE ATTACKED THOSE WHO DEDICATED THEY LIFE TO EVIDENCE.
He also thinks gender is fluid so there’s that
@@bq6162what does this have to do with anything? Weird
"No" or "you are wrong" are not insults.
People would do well to understand that.
Not only did he say: no you are wrong
He said the reasons he are wrong and even welcomed terrence to correct him and write back with the support og someone else… terrence is delulululusional
You are wrong.
At no point in your incoherent rambling could anything be even considered a vaild response. Everyone in this room is now dumber having listened to it. I award you no points. And may God have mercy on your soul.
He used "false" as opposed to "wrong" when you say false, you imply the author is intentionally lying.
I'll give you one better, who is wrong?
I am so sick of ego in our culture today. You were very generous giving your time to Mr. Howard. Please continue to be a beacon of reason, logic, and hope for the intellectually inclined.
Ask him what a man is
@@natmanprime4295 😒
@@natmanprime4295 bro 🤦
Clear example of what you aren't, heck you aren't even a woman. @@natmanprime4295
@@natmanprime4295A man is not a mental wimp like you.
Terrence Howard was looking for Affirmation but instead received a Peer Review.
Yeah, I think NDGT probably should have explained "Peer Review" upfront...
Sorry bub (Terence), the scientific method is harsh but it's that way because it needs to be to sort fiction from fact.
We can either accept it or look for trouble.
Where was everyone to peer review Fauci and Frederick Stare. Plz. Peer review means nothing when everyone is bought. Annnd. Walter Russel was a beast of a person. Cross reference all his accomplishments. There are some simple reasons he was blacklisted. Heck, many were blacklisted after him like Linus Pauling. People speak truth and the cowards stay quiet.
@@Gecko17kTerranse looked for trouble
Going to the moon was once science fiction never give up@@Gecko17k
The fact that Neil deGrasse Tyson even gave those 36 pages the time of day says a lot about him. Respect.
I was like "ONLY!?"
36 pages is not alot
@@brittanycarriger He's probably peer reviewed and written longer things than that if you think about it.
nah he literally wasted time reading dogshit.
@@brittanycarriger have you ever read a book before? 36 pages is nothing when your entire life is reading/studying. not to mention some of those pages were picture illustrations only.
I think Neil had a rather polite way of telling someone "You are completely wrong and have no real knowledge about anything you talk about, but you draw nice pictures".
He should have sent color pencils with the reply
That's what I got and I fully support it.
Which was the most ignorant thing why howard said what he said. Funny that howard has a patent that nearly every top company is using but Neil has discovered nothing at all but going to institutions and having the same scientific eduction that every scientist has. Its the innovators and creative minds that Neils learning from in the first place loool the irony
Perfectly put.
Neil Degrassi Tyson is a low IQ actor.
I am so fortunate to have landed on this channel. Dunning Kruger effect is an ever prevalent problem in this age of misinformation.
We need to be able to correct and critique each other without offence being taken. Proving a theory/presumption wrong is sometimes just as helpful as proving it right, particularly if it leads to advancement.
Try to explain that to an stay at home soccer Mom who drives a G-Wagon!
“To be a genius is to be misunderstood, but to be misunderstood is not to be a genius.” Very apt quote for a lot of people like Terrance.
you can make anything sound deep if you make a statement, then flip back the word order.
@@zachariah7114do it
Props for pointing out Newton’s fantastic wackiness
what are you talking about that makes no sense
@@WuTangChopstick geniuses often get misunderstood by their peers because their ideas seem too far-fetched. But to simply have someone misunderstand your logic, doesn’t make you a genius.
Doing a peer review is sometimes taken as a personal attack. You took your time to review it, he took it as an insult. You don't have time to review everyone's theories. Terrence received what most of us will never get.
Very true!
i wish my misunderstood ideas of many concepts were debunked by him . he took his time to read every word and answered accordingly and terrence still complains
Constructive criticism should be seen as a GIFT! For someone to donate their time to you is priceless, they cannot get that time back. Receive it with humility and respect.
Terrence wants people to think he’s special and scientific… and his bubble just got popped 😂
What I would not do to have Neil shred my paper about a mechanism that could potentially "generate" some portion of what we call dark matter (not detailing it here there's a paper on it)... Whatever there is a much shorter list of the things I wouldn't do. It has already been peer reviewed by professors at Stanford, William & Mary, and CERN... Neil?! That would jump straight to the top of that list. I would frame every 1 of the those pages and lined my house with them if I was him.
I have to be honest, I have been critical of NdGT's more recent communication styles. However, this is a MASTERCLASS in explaining and applying scientific scrutiny, and I will remember it as such.
He's great when nobody else is in the room 😂
Omg it's the real kylehill
Hey there, Science Thor!
Totally agree. This was indeed enlightening and understandable even for a layperson like myself.
Neil was very respectful and explained every single one of his points in a clear and concise manner.
If Howard still thinks he was dissed, it's *his* problem.
Nice hair ,nerd ❤
NDT, please sit down with RFK Jr before it's too late for us 🙏
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@@dianekokko6254Yes, yes, yes, yes! I just talked to someone who I believed was very intelligent who voted for RFK jr! Wtf?
@@kristinedoty7876 How?! Why?! What were they thinking??
Yessssssss
“It’s possible to know enough about a subject to think you’re right, but not enough to know you’re wrong” ..bars!
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I have to find a way to immortalize this quote.
Bars for real
But Terrence Howard doesn't know anything about anything
There are many lines Neil said in this video that are very mind-blowing, but the fact that Neil kept this private for 8 years shows you how noble this man is! RESPECT!
Not really, did TH a huge disservice. He just brought it up now because it’s trending
@@Artemis0798Cool story bro.
@Artemis0798 what lol he brought it up because Terrance Howard made it publix lol. NDT gave him a courtesy by correcting him in private
@@rob19204 yes because this video is private. Nobody heard him mention dunn-krueger effect or anything like that. That’s like saying “yo mama” in the science world. That’s a diss, saying TH is is experiencing the Dunn Krueger effect.
@@Artemis0798 This video came after he made it public? He corrected him in private before Terrance brought it up. And the thing is, he explains HOW Terrance is experiencing the DK effect, so it's not just a diss.
CORRECTION: Neil misspoke at 14:34. He meant to say East Coast of South America and West Coast of Africa.
I was already glad i am not the only one who does that :)
Is this Seth Myers now?!
I was going to comment that but thought hey, It's Neil deGrasse Tyson after all...I'm probably wrong 😂😂😂
Doesn’t the proof against the thesis hold for numbers between 0 and 2, not just up until 1?
Slipped right by me.
This is why i call myself a space enthusiast as opposed to a space expert. Do i know a lot about space? No. Do i like it a lot? Absolutely. Space is cool.
Dr. Tyson actually has done TH a huge favor by seriously considering TH's concepts. Dude got his theory professionally peer-reviewed by NDT. That is an honor.
Not necessarily, it was forced. He name dropped Tyson after Tyson ALREADY told him long ago he was wrong about this.
Is it an honor is he he just so remarkably s2pidd that he needed to be disproven by an astrophysicist 😂
@@NeCoruption NDT Peer reviewed it 8 years ago. Said so from his very mouth in this video. 1:16
Ikr?! Lucky.
Yeah, Tyson doesn't have the most gentle demeanor, and he adores debunking things, so I imagine he didn't pull any punches. Howard is an an actor, he got his ego hurt.
This rebuttle is absolutely fantastic. Plainly spoken, scientifically emotionless using SALIENT FACTS. WHAT A LEGEND OF A MAN
Perfect example of "I can see you put a lot of effort into this" rather than putting a value on the outcome. 10/10 parenting by Neil.
He doesn't address any of the main assertions by th
Just says he doesn't understand
@@seekerofthemutablebalance5228 So the main assertation in the thesis that "It can never occur, that the square root of a given number when added to itself is greater than the initial number squared" wasn't addressed? This is the thesis of the paper. It was addressed and dismissed mediately with the set of all numbers between 0 and 1. Did you watch the review?
@@seekerofthemutablebalance5228 ..you're not the brightest bulb in the box huh? He literally addresses each thing point by point directly under the incorrect parts. Which was basically the entire paper
@@frankmarano1118not sure what the personal insult was for but other than that yes the points were addressed.
@@frankmarano1118 lmao clearly your dim bulb didn't watch the Joe Rogan podcast but the square root thing was barely mentioned and certainly not the interesting part that bro was pushing. Ie. Redefining how the universe is built at a fundamental level, etc. Which is perhaps all entirely flawed but not addressed by Ole grasse
" did you consider numbers less than one? "
'No, I didn't. '
"Does this change your mind at all? "
'No, it does not.'
Having to prove that 1x1=2 is false is so on par for these times.
This is either a great take or a garbage take, depending on what you were trying to refer to lol
Seriously
Terrence sees 1 as a unit for something else so when he says 1 x 1 = 2+ he means 1A x 1B = 2+
It’s a semantic issue within their math
for example; get one person with another person together and they’ll have more than two times faster output
@@wulfooo1Ax1B=1AB
but youre not getting 1 person and another person together when you're writing 1x1, what you're actually saying is "I am adding one group of one person to zero"
" To be a genius is to be misunderstood. But to be misunderstood is not to be a genius " - NDT
Damn they’re gonna be using that quote 200 years from now … is that originally his or did he quote a quote
@@jordinhocharlesI have heard it elsewhere but I hardly think it’s original. Similar contra-points have been made by others but it’s a good one nonetheless.
What a quote 😎
It's an ancient Greek proverb, unfortunately. Not a NDT original quote
How are you guys interpreting that quote? I just want to double check that I'm not looking at it wrong
I'm impressed, Neil turned being blasted by Tarance Howard into a teaching moment about the importance of science and the peer review.
I learn so much from this man.
That's the correct answer.
I think he's a little overconfident in the strength of peer review. It's only as good as the peers who review it. The method itself does not guarantee good results.
It only works as long as the people are intelligent and are acting in good faith.
That's right, if functioning, peer review is very effective at directing truth and falsehood. When it's not functioning you get the replication crisis effecting the social sciences
@@Dragon-Believerthat’s right. And the peer review is only done by colleagues and superiors who are considered experts in the field. Last paper I submitted for publication, the peer review process was conducted by other doctors in the same field as me with years of experience. The journal I wanted to publish in has a committee of what we consider experts who give their review. That’s what he means. He gave the simplest answer possible but it’s much more thorough than what he presented lol.
@@melaninmonroe007 yeah. I'm talking about ideology. It works unless the peer system becomes infected with ideology.
Social media has accelerated the Dunning-Kruger Effect to unsustainable levels. Somewhat paradoxically, the internet has spread knowledge, information and insight to all corners of the world -- yet in doing so, has made the world dangerously ignorant.
I agree it's weird how misunderstood it is.
Kudos to Neil deGrasse Tyson for this respectful and well articulated critique. Easily, he could have dismissed the pseudo-science treatise as unfounded but instead took the time to review this document by Terrence Howard and provide constructive analysis. Total class and professionality!
I'm glad he put this video up Terrance is wrong and strong about his theories. His way of thinking is harmful to the scientific community and spreads misinformation to those not in the community.
Oh wow wow - so you r sure you r going to “dye” after your life in this body? Then it’s ok. Go search and listen to nde testimonials. Thousands of them.
Amazing counter reflections
Neil! Way to nice to crazy bullshoot. Tolerating bullshoot got us trump.
I love that he took the time to put him on a level to even receive a peer review. He loved that he wanted to be a part of a scientific discussion. He tried to show him in private where his thoughts weren’t right. He didn’t blast him. He continued to show respect. Terrance shouldn’t have brought up that it happened. Imagine having the chance to have Neil Degrasse Tyson peer review your thoughts on science! I’d feel privileged to be taken that seriously!
Ikr? In fact I'm not even sure if Terrence even offered to pay NDT for it. Peer review isn't a side job for scientists, it's their actual job and yet Howard had him peer review something presumably for free. Tyson then with respect did his job and politely indicated the mistakes while giving credit where it was due all for free and Howard got but hurt.
@@MikeDuddy-q2t Ha ha, that's just icing on the cake.
Like a peer review is supposed to mean something. So you have to have a degree in order to provide a peer review. Does anyone remember Srinivasa Ramanujan when he started to resort to his religion for his inspiration in mathematics while his Gentile English professors wanted proofs? Before he went to school, he was writing professors at Cambridge about his thoughts and theorems regarding mathematics. He had to take his religious experience for mathematics and dumb it down for The Gentile English professors at Cambridge. The fact is most scholarly articles are peer-reviewed by Europeans as is the case for most Noble Peace Prize winners. Don't believe the hype!
Gotta understand most people in this day and age don’t take constructive criticism dey take it as someone attacking them
You know Neil is a quack correct? No physicist worth their salt would ever go to ndt for an expert opinion
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Was literally an Adult addressing a Child
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The fact that Dr. deGrasse Tyson took the time to peer review Terrance's work is HUGE. I would frame this and get back to work.
There is only the slight problem that the author is nor really a "peer" 🙂
You weren’t too harsh. Just pointed out issues with his writing and “facts” that’s what a review is. The fact that you took the time to do so is a huge compliment.
THIS! I wish the other people in this comment section would understand this.
I felt he wasn't going after the creator of the idea as much as the idea Terrance just took it as a straight attack on him as a person!
Terrance Howard made me rethink reality
Say it again for the people in the back.! Let the crowd say amen
This is the science equivalent of getting Weird Al to parody your song
"there's nothing wrong with a failed idea, now ppl know not to do it, that has value" that sounded nice
I agree
Yeah, most results are negative because most hypotheses are wrong. If human minds came up with the right idea EVERY time we think of something we'd be like gods.
Best, most bespoke f you to fleathers everrrr
To an extent. If all your peers tell you your facts are wrong and make no sense, but you then go on to use your influence to preach incorrect information and claim them as proven facts and statements, then there is a problem. This is what Terrance does 😅
Do you think following with no good ideas .is better to follow someone with no dffrnt outlook on anything ,
The fact that he got a peer review from a renowned astrophysicist was a sign of respect but that clearly went over his big head
Man, I like comments section.
I disagree. Let's not treat Dr. Tyson so highly above everyone else. He gave a peer review, not a kidney.
@user-zl8pp4nq5r oh...I thought the commenter said he received a peer review from a renowned astrophysicist. I didn't see the part about high above everybody else. Must've missed it.
@@AchilIesWhat are you smoking? Harvard only offers Bachelors of Arts at undergraduate level, I swear you got your knowledge of what degrees are from the back of a cereal box.
@@AchilIesTBH it was a BA in Physics and an MA in Physics. He did obtain a PhD in astrophysics from Columbia. But, I agree, he admits he didn't spend much time in the lab/research. He is a good science communicator and is perfect for TH.
NDT basically said "This doesn't make sense but hey, those are pretty shapes you drew there :)"
Perfect way to address someone who clearly has no knowledge beyond preschool.
I mean, you were obviously respectful and honest, and corrected him in private. He brought it up... now, not only does everyone (who has thinking capability) think he's crazy, we also know he's easily offended and can't take criticism without thinking it's a personal attack. Sad for Terrence.
Precisely. I find it comical actually
Well said!
Terence Howard seems psychiatrically impaired. Even his affect seems strange.
Terrence was right he dancing 🕺 around the answers like Michael Jackson
Narcissism
The way he took work that clearly had no basis but still peer reviewed it with respect as if it was based in some level of logic is so respectful.
That's a big takeaway here as many professors lack the grace of Dr. Tyson and border on ad hominem attacks when peer reviewing students' work.
It seems that the physics Mr. Howard subscribes to is the electric model of the universe, which is fine, except for its flaws -- e.g., the lack of explanations for origins, energy abudance, and its discounting of fusion in stars. There isn't any reason to knock a persons ideas on its own .. the grating parts are his refusal to attribute demonstrable merits to the gravity-based model, conspiracy mongering, God complex, and preaching ("teaching").
@@kaushikroy4041 Terrance Howards work shows either a middle school understanding of mathematics, or weaponized incompetence to prove his point either way there’s not much there to respect. If it is all a bit then it’s a good one, but if not then he’s either incompetent or malicious with his explanations of physics
@@Th3_3tanyou solely contribute hate comments on social media.
I see no reason not to consider your continued existence as oxygen theft.
I think he felt obliged to put this out of commission before people made a fuss about it. Seeing as an actor was pushing it and it was likely to gain some attention in the media space but quite frankly an unworthy distraction for scientists and ultimately an embarrassment for Terrence.
As an acquaintance who cared, Neil felt the need to save him from that by explaining in detail how each assertion was lacking in merit and in some places with examples. But Terrence needs the publicity. So here we go
If I wrote a letter to Dr Tyson with my ideas on physics, and he actually took the time to respond in such detail, I would be deeply honored. Even if 100% of his reply was him telling me it was all wrong. What a gift that would be to receive.
I agree 100%
So well said. I couldn't agree more.
a⧈b=(a×b)+(a+b−1) The thing is volumetric multiplication ie $1×$1=$2 whereas normal system $1×1=$1... because $1×$1=$2 is a volumetric multiplication it follows the new applied Howard rule for volumetric calculation i created a⧈b=(a×b)+(a+b−1)...
@@pairashootpants5373 thanks
Yeah and like NGT said, going on the rogan podcast is not where you should go to validate new ideas. I'm paraphrasing.
I'm convinced that Marvel lowballed him on Iron Man 2 just to get rid of him because he's bonkers.
He didn’t want your honest analysis, he wanted you to agree with him.
not only that, he wanted NDT to be like "omg you're right, Terrence, you're a genius! thank you for enlightening me!"
@Coolfullmoonguy You don't multiply pennies with each other. The result would be measured in a unit called penny-squared, same reason as to why you won't multiply dollars with each other to get some value which is measured by dollar-squared. You don't multiply money, you add/subtract it
A common use case is geometry, architecture, etc. 1 meter-squared is a measurement of area which is the result of 1 meter x 1 meter
1 square foot is also the same thing, 1 foot x 1 foot. When you convert feet to meters, 1 foot = 0.3048 meters. But when you convert square feet to square meters, it's 1 square foot = 0.092903 square meters. But how?
because 1 square foot = 1 foot x 1 foot = 0.3048 meters x 0.3048 meters = 0.092903 squared meters (i took approximate values but you get the idea)
@Coolfullmoonguy Nothing of what you said makes sense. A mathematical fact doesn't have to be usefull to your day to day life, just like the vast majority of science doesn't (does star formation or quantum physics change how you live your life?). Most people will never need integrals in their life, yet they exists and have uses in math. Square root of 0.64 is 0.8 because 0.8*0.8 is 0.64, the fact that you don't have any uses for this in your life is meaningless.
@Coolfullmoonguyunits are important , when you get the área of a room you multiply lengths, ex. 5 m by 10 m and you get 50 SQUARED meters, a m² is not the same as a m. In the same sense 8 cents times 8 cents would be 64 cents² not 64 cents.
@Coolfullmoonguyits a second grade math mistake. you cant multiply cents by cents. to count money you are multiplying cents by how much you have them and you cant have decimal number of cents
What bothered me most wasn't his thoughts or ideas themselves. It was that SO many people started latching onto them, posting them, and calling others "sheep" if they didn't believe them. There is a large portion of society who just want to be contrarians...they didn't even understand the words he was saying. They just liked that he was opposing mainstream science and math.
Yeah, we're in scary times.
Too many people who need a club, team, cult or something to blindly follow.
Sophistry rules the day in these groups.
That is the scary part of it all !!!!!!
If people are genuinely interested in the topics, experimenting and improving knowledge and processes that can be a good thing
Sadly many of them fall into being political contrarians and lose their moral compasses when criticizing their own "Side", Sadly this same behavior occurs in religion and science aswell.
It’s narcissism. They have an unreasonable need to know something “you” wouldn’t understand. Most conspiracy theorists have narcissistic tendencies.
That is so dead on accurate. These conspiracy theory nuts are so uneducated they just want to latch onto something so they can say they know more than you.
Giving Terrance the validation to be called a peer for a peer review was also very very generous
Absolutely 👍🏽
Careful, though. Richard Feynman warns against being too harsh against those with radical and misguided ideas because martyrdom is much more dangerous than simply being wrong.
Lol😂
may age poorly
Oh my, my. Very good comment.
I'm super impressed. I'm glad that he took the time to give examples of what was wrong with Howard's thesis. I also found it eloquent and thoughtful. Great job Mr. DeGrasse🎉
And let me add, Neil is WAAAY more polite to him than what scientists are to each other in real peer review.
Yeah little disappointing
Sadly. It’s difficult to see that when you are attacked in a review-it’s less the correction of bad science and more the ego of the reviewers.
The only thing this says to me are most scientists are pos losers who got bullied in highschool
The only thing this says to me are most scientists are pos losers who got bullied in highschool
And that's a problem with peer-review and the culture in science. There is no reason to be anything but polite. Stick to the facts and numbers. Don't begin on psychological games, ad hominem attacks, denigration. It's just a reflection of the psychological needs of the person criticizing to bolster their own ego, and it speaks of weakness and confusion on all kinds of psychological and intellectual levels
The fact that Terrence felt "attacked" when a peer reviewed his work tells you everything you need to know about him as a pretend scientist. Perhaps revisiting the basic fundamentals of the scientific method is in order for dear Terrence, after which he is more than welcome to prove his theory that 1X1=2
Well he gloats about graduating high school with a 1.6 gpa and that he went to a graduate program that doesn’t exist 😂😂😂😂 So …. I mean yes…. in Terryland 1x1=2 😢😢😢😢
$1x$1=$2. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I can’t stand him 😂😂😂😂
So, you've got one apple, right? Right. And if you were to have the same amount, how many would you have? Uhh ... two. LOL
@andrewlefevre9018 that isn't even what 1x1 means. It means you have 1 group of 1.
The way you put it. If I have one apple then of course I have the same amount, the same one apple.
He would never go try and educate himself correctly because he already thinks he's this era's Einstein
It's not a theory but a hypothesis, at best..
The way you handled this should be an used as a conflict resolution example for ALL people.
Man world would be so much better place to live.
He really does have a lot of patience
which is why the NIH police department has NEVER had to respond to a fist fight on campus between two scientists.
I'd have been murdered in my sleep if I rationally explained to my ex-girlfriend why some of "feelings" were simply wrong.
@@jeffreyhampton9130 LOLOLOLOL. nice one, jeffrey!
My total respect to science and those who study, research, and research constantly, thank you for your knowledge.
Well said! I'll piggyback off that and add that I'm grateful for all the scientists of the world. I don't have the brain for it, so I'm glad we have people like Neil figuring out all of life's mysteries.
This is an important video. Not because he explains his interaction with Howard, but because he gives world a much needed reminder of how valuable peer review, the scientific method, and straightforward honesty is. We need this insight now.
100%, the way he just explained peer review was very insightful. I feel like having this video before starting college (or even high school) could prove beneficial
It is important he showed his interaction with Terrence. I was willing to believe Neil got annoyed and was rude about the paper, because he does get snippy about science, but the comments he gave to Terrence that were “vitriol” were absolutely not that. And I won’t be the only one tuning into Neil a bit more frequently because of this clip reminding us he’s a pretty cool guy.
Amen. Amen. Amen.
"The true essence of duality is a singularity. Likewise, the individual North and South pole magnets are not monopoles, but rather unipoles because a helix can only propagate toward one pole a time. Coincidentally, the mathematical term for either end of any helix is Pole."
Physicist swear this is impossible... They are wrong...
Neil practically told him "for a scientist, you are a nice artist" 😂
He must have ears like Siri.. how about "for a fart fist or a fist fart, you are a good scientist
You liked Creative Accounting well now we have Creative Sciencing!
Thank you. You let me leave here with a smile
Idk man, it’s artists that change the world
Hahaha..on point! I'm giggling; this was too funny. Respectfully, BAM!..now go sit down..
Neil handled it perfectly, he didn't belittle Howard for trying out new ideas, he gave Howard fair scientific criticism that Howard took as insults
He just saves the belittling for the unvaccinated and people who believe there are only two genders.
he has schizophrenia and everyone is parading him around social media like he's someone who should be taken seriously. because they want a paycheck.
Too bad Terrance didn't realize this. I'm guessing his ego can only take "honest" feedback if it confirms his delusions of grandeur. We should never be surprised when a proffesional actor displays classic symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder. He's been acting so long he believes his own stories and lives his own roles now.
Howard is used to being praised. Science is brutally cold😂
Then he had to cry about it and Jogan was more than willing to give him the time to spew nonsense and cry victim.
Well done and thank you for your teaching patience 🙏🙏🙏
Wow. This is probably the kindest and most respectful take on Terrance's theory I've ever seen. Honestly I have more respect for Neil now too just seeing how capable he is of both acknowledging the effort Terrance put into this, while also being honest and truthful about how his ideas don't square up to already established and proven science.
Something that is important to keep in mind is that it's not really the duty of scientists to debunk every crazy "revolutionary" idea. Nothing would get done.
Neal anyone who can’t understand what you just took the time to say is just not listening. Much respect to you bro 😊
@@hydrochloricacid6731 ok, then who deals with the brown and smelly? There's only so much basic education can do to. After you become an adult, the only way you get prooven wrong is if someone more educated takes the time to debunk you.
Are we supposed to just let this guy and people like him go arround spreading their ideas with 0 foundation? I would say it _is_ the duty of scientists, actually. Just not their entire duty, no
A theory is the highest point an idea can reach in science. It’s more like a hypothesis.
If your not doing the science your just a follower of hearsay.
Dude got peer reviewed by one of today's top scientists IN HIS FIELD, and concluded that Neil was throwing shade.
Neil ain't top of his field. Not even sure which field he's in. He thinks men can get pregnant
a⧈b=(a×b)+(a+b−1) The thing is volumetric multiplication ie $1×$1=$2 whereas normal system $1×1=$1... because $1×$1=$2 is a volumetric multiplication it follows the new applied Howard rule for volumetric calculation i created a⧈b=(a×b)+(a+b−1)..
Bal trigers haul hill hertz. Gone wen load amalgam. I fall apoplectic on tumult gibralt , heinz hoeds retort ingenious duped magnum
Educated vs Uneducated
Narcissists don't enjoy criticism
Honestly what I learned from this is that Neil is just a truly kind dude.
funny, he’s usually a self centred a hole who weighs in on a lot of things he has no idea about. But he’s respectful towards someone who is clearly insane? ok.
Such a class act for sure!
@@merlinkater7756 honestly
In this respect he is…watch his guesting on JRE…not all that cool.
I remember well that during my interview for entrance into art collage the interviewer asked if my ego was strong enough to accept criticism and lots of it. This because one of the primary tools of teaching used in art school is for your work to be critiqued by both your teachers and your fellow students.
"If you find yourself being the smartest person in room, change rooms " - Damn!
Or… grab some chalk, stand up and teach. If you’re not the smartest in the room, sit down, shut up and grab a pen and paper. The problem is, everyone thinks they’re the smartest in the room nowadays and lack in humility.
The toughest, the fastest, the richest....
I agree, that this can be good for personal improvement. But if everyone is following this rule there will never be more than one person in a room.
It's the best way to learn.
@@OathKeeper1506 Exactly, you attempt to teach but if the message that is being presented is being ignored THEN you change rooms!
"Im something of a scientist myself" - Norman Osborn Terrence Howard
😂😂😂😂😂
Ayo!💀💀💀💀
More like “ something of a something” lol
😂😂😂
Lmao I almost spilled the cereal
That was the most professional and polite way to say "Nice drawing little buddy!"
Condescending
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊@@AngelaEstesangiece
😂😂😂😂
😊
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Thank you so much Mr. Tyson. I share a lot of your star talks with my 9 year old grandson. He loves learning math and science.
Hat's off for using this as an opportunity to teach rather than a cheap way of scoring social points by ridiculing Mr. Howard, this was beautiful
Dude thinks 1X1=2. He deserves to get ridiculed. It's not about social points at all.
DeGrasse Tyson is always a class act. He's a scientist and he gave way more credit to Terrence Howard than he or his work deserved for the quality of logic and thinking presented in his "thesis". He didn't ridicule Terrence in any way. Tyson was at times blunt but not unfair.
He deserves to be ridiculed. He's an absurd person.
@@SteveWeltman Not 100, he does not know WHO a woman is.
He is a complete class act package of a man.
We are in the era of, “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
Terrence is a prime example...
Did you just comment from a FAUX NEWS LOGO. NORTORIOUS LIARS!!!!
So much magical thinking going on.
Joe Rogan gives them all a platform lol
Yeah, welcome to the age of social media, where absolutely everything goes, particularly the proliferation of ignorance and esotheric 'science' like this utter piece of crap 'treatise'.
Maybe that has something to do with the CIA's fake polio vaccine campaigns, anti-vax campaigns, lies about all the things (including Iraqi WMDs) and a general (and well-deserved) distrust of supposedly "authoritative voices"?
I like how people are saying Neil is attacking him. We used to do this in middle school: writing essays, having them on the projector, fixing grammar mistakes, and checking facts. It's common stuff. People who are praising Howard are the same kids who didn't pay attention in school.
It's classic anti-intellectualism. "My instinct is more correct than your decades of research," is the line of thinking.
The people that are praising Howard are his future victims. He will sell them a bs book. If he sells them a few million books he will be making millions of $. He can retire on that and live a good life.
No one is saying that
@@maulsrevenge you obviously haven't seen other videos
@@maulsrevengeGo watch cartoons bruh. It’s all you’re good for.
Getting a public peer review from NDT would be an honor. He’s respected highly in his field. I don’t believe he was trying to be rude. Rather, treating Terrance as a fellow student of the science.
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." This was excellent, thank you!
I think Einstein said this first
He did, yes! I was quoting Einstein to say how well Mr. Tyson explained everything versus how Mr. Howard spoke on JRE.
"Never trust an astrophysicist who acts like a Diva."
Neil tyson destroyed having a meltdown: ruclips.net/video/IJYaZ8Ky4Xg/видео.htmlsi=GjQunWx3-vxMD8k1
I’ve worked in STEM for about 14 years now, and one of my fave quotes is from Kurt Vonnegut in the novel ‘Cat’s Cradel.’
Dr. Hoenikker used to say that any scientist who couldn't explain to an eight-year-old what he was doing was a charlatan.
- Said by Dr. Asa Breed; chapter 15
This can be cap though. When learning something at the highest level we should be able to simply explain it.
As a journal editor, I thank you for this clear explanation of peer review, how it works, and why it’s necessary. And it also demonstrates why the vast majority of academic peer review is anonymous, so there’s no animosity between the parties.
get back in the corner!!!! youre still on thin ice with your covid bs!
So true
How do we know you're not editing the evidence?
@@happyzone1000If they were editing the submission, the original author would raise an alarm. If they were conspiring to publish a fake paper with bad evidence, other people wouldn't be able to reproduce the experiment's results.
There are many reviewers of journals volunteering their service and expertise. The editor is in charge of the process, but not the sole expert giving feedback. Further, to respond most directly to "How do we know you're not editing the evidence?" authors are part of the review process until they approve it for publication. Authors want editors to touch their work as little as possible. Edits to actual results by reviewers are virtually unheard of and would not be accepted by the authors seeking to publish their original work. Most unethical manipulation of data to improve or enhance findings can be attributed to individual authors/labs and have nothing to do with the editing process.
I’m guilty of taking small amounts of info and running with it until I ran into someone who truly knew the topic and it’s safe to say I never did that again
IMO as long as you have self awareness and aren’t arrogant it’s totally chill. We can’t be experts in everything, but everything is so interesting… 😂
It happens to us naturally bc of ego but at you are one of the ones to recognize it. Good awareness and humility.
Same here. We all have been guilty of that, if were being honest. When we drop the ego and don't react emotionally, you can better take "constructive criticism" in stride.
It feels good when you know a little of something that most don't but it's a very humble/humiliating moment when you run into someone who knows just a bit more. I just stay quiet now 😂
I had to learn this from my BF. I learned that I was just perusing information but not actually absorbing it and studying it.
I think it's interesting that Terrence started his paper by listing names. Scientific papers don't usually do that, unless they are specifically basing their research on somebody else's previous work. He was basically trying to draw equivilance between his work and the preceived great works, which turned out to be not so great after all, of others to lend himself a false layers of credibility. That to me is a red flag.
I cried the first time I received the peer reviews on my first research article. I was only 26 yo and thought two year of work was down the drain, my professor and mentor laughed it off, asked me to get it together and get to work on the suggestions and comments of the reviewers. No doubt that after working through those comments, my thesis was in a much better shape. Peer review can be brutal but it’s not a reflection or a comment on your intelligence or (lack of) hard work. Peer review process may be not the ideal solution for objective science, but its probably the only solution research community has right now that kinda works.
What did they say you were stating incorrectly?
well you were not a celebrity actor ,if you were maybe your professor and mentor wouldnt have laughed it off,but be nice ,and ask for tickets to your new movie ;),dont let others disrupt you, find peers that oppose and support you, in there u find the truth and answers to your work
@@Diboh a true peer and colleague will give constructive criticism when they can. People who don’t aren’t helping by entertaining delusion.
@@jimmyalfonzo exactly but sometimes that doesn't seem to be the case in the science community especially when those reviewing have prominent celebrity Status,their ego becomes a problem to their judgement 🤔
@@aFoxyFox.His thesis was on why Terrence Howard should have been the next Iron Man.
One of my favorite sayings reflects the Dunning-Kruger effect: When they give you a bachelor's degree, you think you know everything. They give you a Masters when you realize you don't know anything. And they give you a PhD when you realize no one else knows anything, either!
that would apply to both terrence and tyson, methinks
Isn't that called the
" balance of opposites " ?
Probably incorrect. More like bachelors degree - participation trophy, masters degree - actual intro courses, PhD - specialize in a subject and at the end of the PhD you are finally at the starting line. Many dumb PhD grads. The minority of PhD grads are smart and capable enough to advance the subject, which are often put in research and teaching roles in universities. It’s also why your average PhD grad won’t be a teacher or researcher.
I’m going to keep it simple. “We think we know because we don’t know” That’s actuality.
Except that a lot of people who are career experts in a given area actually do know a lot about those areas and understand more than other people do about those topics.
I’m in grad school. The funniest part about Howard’s reactions to the peer review is that every grad student goes through that with their advisor at first. It’s hard seeing your work torn to pieces, but you slowly learn that your advisor isn’t trying to be mean, but is being terse because they (hopefully) genuinely care about developing you as a scientist.
Yes! This could have been a relationship-Terrance and Neil.
Watch howards tiny brain melt
Brilliant neil. Every day is a school day ❤
I have spent most of my professional life in this feedback loop, and never understood why people got upset. I am where I am today, because I know a lot. The way I learned a fair amount of it, was someone telling me I was wrong. When I discover something, I assumed was true, is not true, I get excited, because now I know more than I did before. It never upset me.
@TheRealMafoo 1 x 1 equals 2 is taking bleeding liberties. Must be a wind up looooool
Terrence Howard just doesn't get how theories are proven
Neil was 1000x more respectful than he had to be. I respect that
He's an actor and a fool as is anyone that believes anything he has to say about space period ! Neil that is !!!!! Terrance is speaking truth to the world's lies ! Respect is nothing more then him trying to keep his lies from being recognized for the fraud they are !
Well when you are somewhere between a science lightweight a a complete crackpot yourself, its best to go lightly.
@@ancientnpc are you speaking from personal experience?
He was literally carefully and rationally analyzing the ramblings of an obviously mentally ill person.
He just proved you don’t have to flame someone when you disagree with them. We need more of that.
I worked as a researcher in a university in Belgium. I co-wrote a scientific article, which was sent out for peer review. I never had the feeling "what if they don't agree?". I was curious where we went wrong if we went wrong. It is a joy to be shown my mistakes. That is learning for me. Sometimes it can sting in the first moments, but it makes me think about it. I don't want friends who agree with me all the time. I want friends who are honest to me.
The phrasing in your comment makes it look like you only wrote one paper. If that's the case, how did you end up working as a researcher and only have 1 peer review experience?
@@omgtksethhe said “I worked as a researcher”.
It’s possible to briefly work in a field and then stop soon after.
Obviously this is the case here.
If I was performing research, writing a paper on it, and submitting to peer review I'd be more worried that I made mistakes and that I might not be thinking correctly, not that someone says I'm wrong. I'd be happy to get input because that's how I know if I'm on to something, and should continue. I'd only worry if I'm not capable of doing the research and getting somewhere with it.
I agree with you 100%
But not really
This is true integrity and we hope that if we were lacking in it for anything a real friend would call it out and help you figure it out together. More heads are better than one. It's just how we roll 😎 🤷 and how we get the job done honesty is the best policy. I can give you an example of it going wrong and the letters are. C C and the letter P and they are red except skin colour
Thanks to the Dunning-Kruger effect I understand my confidence in my intelligence is overrated because my opening thesis in response to his paper would be "Terrence, what the f*ck are you talking about"
The immediate problem in his work is apparent to everyone, mathematician or not. His addition is identifying as multiplication.
I find Dunning-Kruger to be self-condescending and self-flagellation. Sure, overestimation of one's ability is dangerous. But so is underestimation. But no one talks about the latter- especially material scientists in academia who don't have cojones to question authority.
We need a balance, not this beta male tendency of "oh oh... I am sure I am so wrong... gee wish I was right" underconfidence. /endrant
He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about.
😂😂😂😂 yoooo not the Dunning-Kruger!! So accurate and I ain’t even watch the video 😂😂😂
@@god5535completely disagree, and thank god you arent in our labs and hospitals! if overconfident “alpha males”like you were in the labs then we would never progress
Thank you Neil. This came across my feed this afternoon and is easily the most interesting experience I’ve had today.
the fact that Neil treated Terrance as a peer / equal, instead of dumbing his answers down says alot about neil, well done sir
*Peer
So he stood on Terrance? Maybe went fishing off Terrance pier?
Why do ppl treat this man he’s ever done anything?
As much as I hate Niels opinion on a lot of things, this was really well done.
You get it... Totally agree 👍🏽💪🏽
I wish all online discourse was like this. Assertive and respectful.
I prefer "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
@HH-zh2os that's the approach Professor Dave Explains took. It was very entertaining.
Terrance wasn't very respectful... there's a saying... " Correct an intelligent man and he will thank you.. correct a man who is not intelligent and he will hate you" terrance has no intelligence at all.. he is stuck in 3rd grade multiplication, and he believes 1x2
=3
Imagine dumping a 36 page thesis on how you think you've broken mathematics to an astrophysicist and one of the greatest scientific minds in the world, then getting mad when they reply back with "You got confused about some things, but I'm glad you're passionate about it and your art looks really cool dude"
Well, NDT is not nearly great, not even talking about greatest. He is a mediocre scientist, being of an underrepresented group and very good spoken and entertaining, he became popular on social media. But he is a scientist never the less.
@@bravesp1r1t23 he's orders of magnitude more intelligent than Howard, though the average chinchilla is too so that's not a great bar to use.
"one of the greatest scientific minds in the world" ?? 😂
NdT isn’t even close to being ‘one of the greatest minds.’ To even think that is hilarious
He has literally made no contributions to actual science
@@bravesp1r1t23he actually isn’t a scientist and never has been. He leads the Hayden planetarium.
He also isn’t a physicist, as you have to do real post doc work and research to be that.
Merely having a PhD does not make you a physicist or scientist if you don’t do any actual real work after obtaining the degree
Props to the editor on this. Good job! Also on Terence Howard - this is a direct result of American lack of investment in education. It is the same in the UK, and makes me very worried.
Neil couldn't have been anymore nicer on his review for Terrence, and as far as I'm concerned, Terrence owes Neil an apology and a beer at the very least.
2 beers in Terrence will debunk gravity
😂
TERRANCE TAKE HIM FOR A DRANK
Man 🤦♂️ doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman yet wants to speak so authoritatively about science... 🤦♂️smh he owes Terence a drink and an apology.. #science #gender #equality
COME ON, MANE?!
I'm a third year doctoral student, and this is a respectful 'peer review'.
But how about the criticism that NDT can’t take on other podcasts that are intellectual? Dude is the epitome of an intellectual hypocrite
Everyone knows a teacher who roasts your knowledge with a straight face.
I'm glad to see the context in which the review was given. Truthful, concise, factual, and to the point. No superfluous commentary or comparisons of intellect between the two. Terence was taken seriously, and that's respect.
@@kylebushnell2601 nice try terrence
This is why I ask myself "am I wrong" before saying something crazy with 100% confidence 🤣
The fact that Howard took a straight-forward peer-review as being shat upon is enough to tell me he is not a scientist.
I can't imagine how much he talks about how great and brilliant he is in private crowds let alone conceive how full of himself he is in relationships.
if you rewatch the disclaimer at the beginning this was never a peer review it was only ever an example of what a peer review would look like IF he deserved it.
This.
When he said he remembered being born he was basically saying hes gifted. I knew deejay was tripping
And are you saying that peer reviews aren't biased and political in nature? Are you kidding me right now?
Awesome, graceful and professional response, indeed.
Terrence should have been HONORED that NDT respected him enough to give a peer review to him. How amazing would it be to have this as a personal keepsake.
Yes bc he could have saved his energy all together lol
wow!lmao ,why? is NDT GOd of Science?was he born with the knowledge of science or did he learn science like TH too?,only TH is questioning what he was taught,and Neil is defending what he was taught lmao honored,bet u feel honored when a celebrity says your name lmao
@@Diboh I can't understand these NDT fanboys. He's full of knowledge, no question there. But why is he so praised? What did he change, what did he invent? He's giving people brain gymnastics, talking about deep space and parallel universes like he has been there. And he's giving himself the freedom to talk about Tesla and some other guys. He understand the current body of work but he doesn't think outside of the box, that's why he's not improving or inventing anything. Just being loud and enjoying his own voice.
We are glad you enjoyed this enough to leave your outside thoughts for us in this box, you should consider inviting some of your peer next to, yeah?
@@irinnav5301
Neal peer reviewed a person with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. It was a waste of time, and Howard STILL got mad over it...
When I was in college I had a professor do something similar with one of my papers and it drove me because I learned my professor cared enough to take my work seriously.
Exactly!! 💯
Neil took this man seriously.
Clearly that went over his head.
I would be honored to have received such a serious review of my work.
Tyson doesn't take him seriously. He knows who will get massive attention from the general public. He wants to address this topic for anyone *else* who might actually take it seriously.
I'm surprised he even read it.
@jacksquatt6082 both things can be true. When he first received the thesis he took it serious enough to write back and "grade" his work, this video is to discuss his side and educate any who agree with Howard.
The idea that Neil has developed this thick skin by changing the idea of "they are criticizing me, and saying I'm wrong" to "they respected me enough to put as much if not more energy into reading my produced research paper to evaluate if I am wrong" shows that Neil had been proven or told he is wrong time and time again, but continues regardless! A lot of wisdom in there.
No, this is just standard in higher academia. Especially stem fields where lemmas and theorems can be probably false and it is of utmost importance to be correct
This should have been titled "The Education of Terrance Howard"
That is pretty much the peer review process. It’s normal to send papers to “second readers” who will hopefully read and comment thoroughly. You then submit to journals who will also send it back for edits, most of the time.
Yeah ... No if you're any sort of scientist, you HAVE to be faced with this criticism time and time again, it's not a special thing, every true scientist has had their ideas challenged with a fine tooth comb
Its kind of similar in art, real artists don't look for people saying "I love your art" Artists want to see the emotion whether is positive or negative towards it, then you know your work payed off.
Great explanation of that subject. Enjoyed it.😊
Neil deGrasse Tyson’s wife is a professor in mathematics. I would’ve loved to be a fly on the wall when he came home and told her about this.
Lmfao me as well
lol you crazy
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't discuss it at all.
Math is interesting because it assumes humans know everything about everything, however it dismisses anything that humans don't know.
One major thing we do know is that we don't know a lot.
@@jamesnewman8011closed minded scientists discuss no new ideas ever. It would destroy their fragile little egos terribly.
i love how you put this in PERSPECTIVE, not "dissing". A true peer-review.
If you go on Joe Rogan to "prove" that you're "right", you've already lost the plot.
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*takes huge rip
Jamie ,pull that up
My sentiment exactly 😂
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The process of publishing a scientific article in a specialized journal is much more rigorous and complex than most people realize.
This process, known as peer review, ensures the quality and validity of research before it is published.
Key aspects include anonymity, multiple reviews, detailed requirements, constructive criticism, and a lengthy process.
Peer review is essential for ensuring the credibility of scientific research.
It's a great honor that Neil DeGrasse Tyson has reviewed and annotated those 36 pages.
From the first paragraph, it was already enough to stop and I think he dedicated too much time to this topic,
" Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it’s yours. It’s only a way station in the pursuit of knowledge. Ask yourself why you like the idea. Compare it fairly with the alternatives. See if you can find reasons for rejecting it. If you don’t, others will."
~Carl Sagan~
Weigh station
Wise advice that is not being followed by anyone, left or right of the political aisle
@@JulieW03Weigh Station: stopping point on a route for commercial vehicles to be weighed.
Way Station; A stopping point along a route... maybe to hit the can or get a cup of something.
his brilliance continues to shine
This is kind of like how in court, often circumstantial evidence is stronger than eye-witness accounts. We as humans are not very good instruments of observation, be we think we are and it's very hard to separate ourselves from our perception (esp vision) and discount that attachment.
“There’s nothing wrong with a failed idea, now others know to not do it” cooked
Cooked and served
Lmao😂
under cooked. this is not a new idea. this is metaphysics rediscovered.
@@SpaceboyGT What? "Nobody is completely useless, they can still serve as a bad example" is the German version. No metaphysics about it. Just common sense.
@@Muschelschubs3r it is common sense. i agree to the quote. birds build their nest in trees until houses were made. but that went over ya head. is it common sense for a bird to build a nest unto the gutter drain right the rooftop? is that bird smarter or autistic? if you lived in the city that is, you could be jus country and never seen a bird build its nest under a porch ceiling. this jus not ya common math here folks. this the stuff Optimus Prime is made of.
the fact those 2 lines were the openers for his paper and NDT still went through the other 35 pages is super respectful
yeah, Neil give Terrance WAY more respect than I would've!
@@karmabeast i would've tossed it ngl :'D
Dude!
Cryingggg Neil knows how impactful he is. He needs to make sure he’s getting through to everyone without actually laughing in anyone’s face so strongk
Yeah despite being a coked up fever dream, I think his value for curiosity is something to be admired. I would've tossed it after 3 lines and ghosted him, but that just might be the issue with science today. Neil respects every thesis as if it were his own and recognizes that most people will be wrong 1000x before they're right the firsr time.
A lot of people are bullheaded about odd or different views nowadays. Not that we weren't before, but that mentality will lead us to destruction sooner than later.