Molding a Microlens Array

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  • Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
  • Microlenses are tiny optical devices used to focus light onto cameras and fiber optics. While debugging a different project, I stumbled on a technique that made hemispherical depressions. So I made some microlenses.
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    ==== Laser Parameters ====
    Had some requests for more details about the laser parameters. I'm not sure how much this is dependent on my particular machine vs. generally applicable, but in case it helps:
    - 50W fiber laser (non-MOPA). Generic out of china, JPT fiber laser inside
    - Power ranged from 2-20%, 40kHz frequency, 500mm/s to 3000mm/s, 63mm f-theta lens, single pass
    - Most good ablation craters were in the 10-15% power range. Speed from 1500 to 3000mm/s depending on how much spacing you want between craters.
    - Power in range from 6-10% tends to create dimples and spikes. Below 6% and there's no visible effect
    - 0.05mm stepover on hatching
    - Wafer was 111 orientation thick (500um?) wafer
    ==== Equipment and techniques ====
    - nGauge AFM from ICSPI: www.icspicorp.com/
    - AFM Scans are post processed in Gwyddion (gwyddion.net/) and 3D images rendered in Blender
    - Thermo Phenom XL scanning electron microscope
    - Metal assisted chemical etching: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_a...
    ==== Timeline ====
    0:00 Intro
    0:44 Metal Assisted Chemical Etching
    2:25 Strange observation
    3:42 Hypothesis #1: heavy oxidation
    4:32 Hypothesis #2: Si-Ag "doping"
    6:19 Hypothesis #3: indiscriminate etching
    7:26 HNA etchant
    8:26 Safety Disclaimer
    10:22 Etching with HNA
    12:16 PDMS molding
    14:42 Do they focus light?
    16:01 Molding problems
    17:47 Other fun phenomena
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  • @BreakingTaps
    @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +87

    **Addendum**
    - I meant 4mm^2 (2x2mm) in the intro, although I later measured and it's actually 1x1mm. Oops! Sorry for the confusion, I phrased it poorly :)

    • @Alexagrigorieff
      @Alexagrigorieff 2 года назад +1

      A similar process is used to etch diamond. A nickel or iron mask is deposited. Under high temperatures in H2 atmosphere, carbon dissolves in the mask and gets carried away by reacting with hydrogen into CH4.

    • @AndroidFerret
      @AndroidFerret 2 года назад +2

      Funny ..that was thebfirst thing I thought

    • @izzy6301
      @izzy6301 2 года назад

      I wonder how many people saw the text poking fun at explosions and fire during the safety speech

    • @anotheruser676
      @anotheruser676 Год назад +1

      I was thinking you must have the BIGGEST finger in the lab.

    • @OMNI_INFINITY
      @OMNI_INFINITY 11 месяцев назад

      *Designed an HMD before and visiting china now and working on a new HMD design. Can supply some microlens arrays for the prototypes? Thanks in advance, if possible!*

  • @smartereveryday
    @smartereveryday 2 года назад +234

    This is better than reading a paper. Great work!

    • @vexari4683
      @vexari4683 2 года назад

      yes

    • @applanateearth586
      @applanateearth586 2 года назад +1

      What's a paper?

    • @bumpyshow745
      @bumpyshow745 Год назад +3

      @@applanateearth586 Before computers people made soup from trees and let it dry into sheets. After that they would use a mixture of chemichals to write stuff on. Basically a old kindle

  • @AppliedScience
    @AppliedScience 2 года назад +413

    I liked the whole journey! Maybe those laser crater spikes would make nice field emission sources. A big array could really pump out some electrons!

    • @Muonium1
      @Muonium1 2 года назад +14

      That's exactly what I thought when I saw them too. It reminded me of the little picture that would invariably accompany all those "flat panel TVs could be just around the corner!" articles in the early 90s I would constantly see in Popular Science, Discover, etc.

    • @dtroy15
      @dtroy15 2 года назад +15

      The production quality of this video was amazing. The backlighting, the 3d scans, everything. Bravo.

    • @andymouse
      @andymouse 2 года назад +11

      Dont mention this to Big Clive or we'll be getting more Ionizers.....cheers.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +88

      Oh boy, I think you just nerd sniped me 😂 Now I'm elbow-deep in papers and patents about field emission displays and similar. Will see if I can wrangle something up with the tools I have!
      The other potential project I was thinking of was something like this "massively parallel AFM" paper (www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-20612-3)

    • @ThomasAndersonbsf
      @ThomasAndersonbsf 2 года назад +11

      @@BreakingTaps I was actually thinking if they were coated in aluminum like how thermal blankets are, these could be gathering points for phonons?(thermal equivalent to electrons and photons? not sure right now what the term is) but basically heat is absorbed easily by the unaluminized surface as IR radiation if you had say a vacuum behind it, but vacuum on the aluminized side would mean any thermal energy lost would be IR photons and these get rejected back into the vacuum so assisting very low amounts of thermal energy to collect enough in a centralized point to eject it as an IR photon, on the aluminized side could be what will make a true passive thermal diode where the thermal energy is also doing the work of moving itself from the cold side to the warm side. Just imagine a refrigeration unit that uses no power and you have an opening to let heat back in through micro pores to even it out, to regulate the temperature rather than generating loads of heat running compressors or the heat generated by running electrons through peltier units to cool something to add to the heat you have to manage, where the passive cooling system both costs no energy to run, just to build the unit, and does not have to regulate additional heat created powering it! (my idea using thermal blankets stacked with air gaps between each layer and all aluminized sides of the blankets facing the same direction to block heat from sunlight ect, during summer worked extremely effectively just with 3 layers, but like peltiers stacked I am guessing more layers would mean more efficiency, that and coupling it with using aerogel supports to spread the layers out so conduction of heat back into the chamber is minimized)

  • @johnathancorgan3994
    @johnathancorgan3994 2 года назад +52

    In Australian sheds, as long as you don't contaminate your working area with anything yellow, HF is fine to handle.

    • @m1lkweed
      @m1lkweed 2 года назад +2

      As all chemists know, yellow is evil

    • @rickypoindexter9505
      @rickypoindexter9505 2 года назад +1

      @@m1lkweed would you mind explaining why? As a non chemist the only thing that comes to mind is yellowcake.

    • @simonargus7662
      @simonargus7662 2 года назад +10

      @@rickypoindexter9505 it's a meme from the the channel "Explosions&Fire", an australian guy that makes quite funny chemistry video about mostly explosive stuff

  • @thomasesr
    @thomasesr 2 года назад +76

    You should shine a cheap laser pointer through the glass slide microlenses and project it on a wall to see if it does anything interesting.

  • @smartereveryday
    @smartereveryday 2 года назад +135

    I wonder if you you were to tilt the specimen down just a bit before you spin it by placing it on a slight wedge. This may make the mold release to run "down" and flow out of the crater. Like this:
    ⦣ Angle of plate 🠒 Spin force
    Just an idea.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +20

      Not a bad idea! Would be interesting to see how much (or if) it affects the layer thickness as well, or if there is any kind of gradient effect. One thing I neglected to mention in the video is that it's a race against solvent evaporation too... as the thin film spreads out, the solvent rapidly evaporates and the solids "crash out". Handy when you're trying to spin photoresist to a known thickness, less handy when trying to get an even coat of mold release :)
      Cheers for the idea! Will try it out next time I'm using the mold release again!

    • @frollard
      @frollard 2 года назад +11

      @@BreakingTaps I wonder if it would be feasible to have a saturated atmosphere of solvent inside the spin coater to reduce evaporation giving a longer work time. Very cool vid top to bottom!

    • @ThomasAndersonbsf
      @ThomasAndersonbsf 2 года назад +3

      @@BreakingTaps I am wondering if there is a surfactant that you could use that is a liquid at room temp so you can be sure when smon out it is a single layer of the surfactant molecules standing up off the surface of the mold either that does not bond to the resin or does but the surfactant easily lets go of the silicon. also on smoothing the surfact I wonder if a smaller molecule based material would work better like using graphite that is used for EDM machines :)

  • @kaysb80
    @kaysb80 2 года назад +73

    Anything can be handled in that one shed in Australia ;D

    • @TheLtVoss
      @TheLtVoss 2 года назад +16

      If it turns yellow we might run in to problems

  • @sakelaine2953
    @sakelaine2953 2 года назад +9

    6:34 it's a fundamental effect, the reason it's not in papers is because most of the people writing papers would take it for granted that their audience knows that catalysts just speed up a process that would happen by lowering the energy cost through mediation. So if you're in a situation where using a catalyst would help, remember that the desired effect is still happening at a slower rate. For most stuff this doesn't matter at all; at the scales you're working with it's important and I'm glad you figured it out.

  • @MaterialsSci
    @MaterialsSci 2 года назад +103

    Hello! In your 'molding problems' section, you mention dimples near the top of your lenses. If indeed the problem is from an over-accumulation of mold release, you could try sputtering a thin film of gold onto the silicon surface and using that as a sort of mold release because the silicon will not stick well to the gold without a proper adhesion layer; additionally, the PDMS will not stick well to the gold without a specific chemical treatment (chemical treatment to make the gold adhere to the PDMS very well can be done really easily with a not very dangerous chemical called MPTMS). If the gold sputtering route does interest you, using the MPTMS surface treatment, you can make static mirror arrays as well as strain-tunable mirror arrays and strain-tunable plasmonic devices because of the metal first-surface on the PDMS.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +31

      Oh! That's a really clever trick! Might give that a try and see how it goes, and definitely a useful tip for future work.
      MPTMS sounds _super_ interesting for plating PDMS, I didn't realize that was possible (at least robustly... I coated them with a thin layer of silver to help with SEM imaging but figured it would crack/delaminate quickly). That's really cool, will look into that more. Could make for some really interesting experiments in the future. Thanks!

    • @MaterialsSci
      @MaterialsSci 2 года назад +20

      @@BreakingTaps The MPTMS route is really fascinating chemically speaking, the chemical has a sulfur group on one end that gives good bonding to gold and a silane group on the other which bonds well to the PDMS. Immersing the gold layer in a MPTMS solution is quick and easy too and that's all that you really need to do before spinning on your PDMS since the MPTMS forms a self assembled monolayer. I'd be happy to share my recipes if you'd like, could maybe save some time. Sputter coating PDMS directly with a metal is also interesting, the thickness of the metal film (at least in the case of gold) that you coat the PDMS with changes the final morphology of the film e.g., if the film is above a certain thickness range then you can end up getting a very wavy (buckled) surface which can be used for all sorts of stretchable electronic contacts and interconnects (for wearable electronics and things), as well as strain-tunable random gratings (these end up being also very interesting and strange to look at as they have an appearance that resembles silvery-white, rainbow-ish, diffractive gold)

    • @jeremygalloway1348
      @jeremygalloway1348 2 года назад

      Uranium will work too...possibly

    • @KallePihlajasaari
      @KallePihlajasaari 2 года назад

      What about a transparent layer so it does not affect the optical quality of the lens. Is TinOxide a possible mould release?

    • @MaterialsSci
      @MaterialsSci 2 года назад +5

      @@KallePihlajasaari Having oxides on the surface in general is part of the sticking problem because PDMS bonds pretty well to oxides. Silicon itself will arrive with a SiO2 passivation layer for example. Since metals like Au have very weak bonding to un-modified PDMS, you can coat a surface like Si or a passivated surface like SiO2 and make a nonbonding interface that allows liftoff of the PDMS or other materials you may cast onto the surface. An oxide like SnO2 would probably stick pretty strongly to the PDMS since the PDMS itself is an Si-O polymer that bonds well to oxides and would likely not perform as well as Au or Ag for liftoff. Additionally, films of Au are pretty highly transparent (although transmitting greenish blue light) when grown in very thin films ~20 nm or less; having metals be partially transparent in thin films is sort of the basis of plasmonics and some metamaterial lenses

  • @SeanLinsley
    @SeanLinsley 2 года назад +21

    this is awesome, feels like an Applied Science video

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад +1

      The explanation is amazing!!!

  • @izzieb
    @izzieb 2 года назад +73

    The oblong micro lenses aren't bad - they're just anamorphic micro lenses.

    • @xenontesla122
      @xenontesla122 2 года назад +55

      Perfect for filming widescreen movies of tardigrades XD

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +38

      I think you both win the best-comment award :)

    • @villebooks
      @villebooks 2 года назад +3

      @@xenontesla122 watching this is on my bucket list x'D

  • @ChrisTuttle
    @ChrisTuttle 2 года назад +19

    Ever since the first demonstration of light field photography, I have been trying to figure out how to make my own micro lens arrays. Your video covers so many aspects of whats involved that “finally” I think I understand the magnitude and scope of this task. This is an awesome video! Thanks! I am looking forward to your follow up videos regarding this project.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +5

      Thanks for watching! There might be some easier methods which probably don't involve so many exotic chemicals or tools. I think the photoresist-slumping method is probably a bit easier (not sure the right keywords... basically pattern small circles of photoresist and then heat them up, causing the spots to soften and slump into hemispheres). Does require some kind of lithography technique though, and two rounds of molding to get the final shape. There might be even easier techniques, not sure, it definitely seems like a field where there are a lot of creative techniques :) Goodluck!

    • @heidelbergaren5054
      @heidelbergaren5054 2 года назад +1

      @@BreakingTaps
      It’s called reflow, the technique to heat resist so it forms semi-spheres. But it also means that it’s only rotational symmetrical lenses that can be formed

    • @98f5
      @98f5 2 года назад +1

      I too love and wish for light field cameras.

    • @LanceThumping
      @LanceThumping 2 года назад +1

      I've been thinking about light field photography too recently. I was wondering if the sensors could be made either as spires or in holes so that the angle could be detected without increasing the size of the sensor needed.

  • @aetius31
    @aetius31 2 года назад +10

    Btw, you could try using ammonium fluoride as an etchant instead of HF.
    It is much safer to work with and the fact it has a lower etching rate could remove the debris without eating too deep into the creaters.
    Also maybe going for an evaporation coating for the mold release agent could be better than spin coating, for instance just heat up gently a silicone oil with your slide just above the surface.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +6

      Oh, will look into ammonium fluoride! That's basically what's in the glass etching creams right? Totally fine with slower rates as long as it's safer, and it'd probably be more controllable that way anyhow. Cheers for the tip (and the evap coating, will try that!)

    • @aetius31
      @aetius31 2 года назад +2

      @@BreakingTaps Glad you find the tip interesting!
      I heard that silicon fluoride kinda works aswell but i never tried it.
      Also for the mold release,you can try putting a few drops of silicone oil into toluene dipping your slide into it and let evaporate, I have not idea of the nedeed ratio of silicone tho.

  • @DarqeDestroyer
    @DarqeDestroyer 2 года назад +3

    17:58 It's amazing how a tiny "micro spike" about a micron tall, totally looks like a giant geological feature, an enormous series of concentric rings with a giant mountain in the middle, like mount doom or something.

  • @mikepeterson9733
    @mikepeterson9733 2 года назад +2

    BT, you are one of the people who make RUclips an amazing place. Thank you so much for everything you show us!

  • @abdomohamed-qt1he
    @abdomohamed-qt1he Год назад

    This is real research, not a traditional RUclips random trial. Loved it

  • @julians7268
    @julians7268 2 года назад

    That hexagonal pattern... that should be incorporated into merch or something. It looks freaking awesome. Loved the video.

  • @HuygensOptics
    @HuygensOptics 2 года назад +22

    Very nice results Zach! I guess if you really dive a little deeper into the process, you could probably make much better lens arrays, maybe it is even possible to make well-defined aspherics. But then you need to be in control in every parameter of the process. Developing new technology into something useful is always a long and bumpy road.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +5

      Thanks! Yeah, definitely a rabbit hole :) After sorting out the molding issues, would probably need to spend some time characterizing the ablation crater... it's likely not spherical at all, given the (theoretically) gaussian pulse profile. And a lot more work to make the system consistent/repeatable, no mechanical misalignments, etc.
      One reason I'm happy about youtube projects! I can get the idea working and then move on, skipping all the actual hard work! 😁

  • @rocketman475
    @rocketman475 2 года назад +4

    The mold release buildup problem might be improved by -
    1. Lowering its viscosity with a compatable solvent.
    2. Spinning it with the apparatus upside down after applying mold release with a spray bottle from underneath.
    3. Make sure the release agent is properly set in order to prevent it slumping into the hollow. So store it upside-down until certain that it has cured.
    ° Upside-down application might produce a thickening to occur around the outer rim of each micro bowl, and that might be able to be manipulated so as to result in a superior end product.
    Cheers. 👍

  • @fastindy
    @fastindy 2 года назад +2

    10:21 "There's always a silver lining"
    I see what you did there

  • @edgeeffect
    @edgeeffect 2 года назад +4

    I love stuff like this... contrasting my own difficulties with achieving mm precision with you talking about sub micron structures is great. :)

  • @BioBush
    @BioBush 2 года назад +1

    Just watching you bounce through different problems and solutions and theories and observations is so interesting. I have zero background in this, but still want to see your future discoveries. Thanks for doing this work!

  • @jeffpkamp
    @jeffpkamp 2 года назад +1

    way off-topic, but I spent two or three minutes looking for a cricket in my house, that was actually helping you with the ambiance for the audio on this video :)

  • @julians7268
    @julians7268 2 года назад

    Videos can NEVER be too long. I'd have watched this for 5 hours just admiring the different structures that can be produced from laser etching.

  • @Changitojuanito
    @Changitojuanito 2 года назад

    This is seriously amazing. The ideas that change the world are made from this.

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад +1

      It is so good, definitely!

  • @SybrenSmith
    @SybrenSmith Год назад

    Love your channel man. Really great storytelling Keep up the good work.

  • @MisterIkkus
    @MisterIkkus 2 года назад +2

    I am fascinated by everything you put out. Thanks so much for your hard work and excellent videos.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад

      Thanks for watching! Really appreciate it :)

  • @HaloWolf102
    @HaloWolf102 2 года назад +2

    I love research papers in video format. This was an amazing video, thank you for making it.

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад +1

      Agreed, so well explained

  • @BCurt1776
    @BCurt1776 2 года назад +1

    I like the shout out to Explosions & Fire lol. Great video!

  • @benrogers5845
    @benrogers5845 2 года назад

    Excellent video, thanks for sharing your work!

  • @florianf4257
    @florianf4257 2 года назад +8

    For me it was no surprise that the continuous silver layer worked like a mask. The selective metal etching requires (according to your description) the H2O2 (and afterwads HF) to get below the metal layer, so it should only work with metal structures with relative low width or porous metal structures. With a continuous silver film, there is just no way the etchant can reach the silicon and thus it acts as a mask (except on the edges).

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +3

      Somewhat surprisingly, it depends on thickness of the metal film. There are some papers (pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2015/ra/c5ra15745e/unauth) that show both effects depending on the thickness. With 40nm of gold, you mostly get edge effects like you mentioned... it edges just on the edges of the metal and you start to get a "curved" structure.
      But with 20nm of gold, there were enough nano-pinholes that the etchant could diffuse through the metal film and etch evently (and also caused a forest of "nanowires"). So I only deposited 15nm of silver onto my wafers hoping it'd be similar. Not sure why it didn't work to be honest, perhaps silver reacts differently? It does have oxidation states that Gold doesn't, so maybe that plays into it somehow. I would have expected to at least see the edge of the silver to etch some but really didn't, no matter which sample or test I looked at :(

    • @florianf4257
      @florianf4257 2 года назад +5

      @@BreakingTaps The problem might be that you sputter your metal layer. Layers deposited by thermal evaporation or e-beam evaporation typically have larger grains and thus more pinholes. In our old Edwards 306 the gold films have grain sizes of 10-20 nm, so a 20nm-film wouldn't be continuous. But with sputtering, the metal has a much higher mobility on the surface and thus you will get a film with higher density (which is less favourable in this case).
      If you are interested in a relative easy way to create large areas with (more or less) regular patterning you should look into nanosphere lithography: depositing a monolayer of small polystyrene beads by adding a drop of water with the right concentration of particles (we sucessfully used particles down to 220nm). The surface charge of the beads should be same as the sample), deposit your metal, and remove the beads (which can be done with scoth tape). You can also use a even lower concentrations of beads with beads having an opposite surface charge as your substrate and get a metal film with random holes. But in this case, you have to remove the beads by solvents and ultrasonic cleaning.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +5

      ​@@florianf4257 Ahh, that seems like a very plausible explanation. I bet that's the issue! I might try again with a _very_ light coating (few nm) and see if there is noticeable different results. Will check out nanosphere litho, sounds interesting and pretty approachable! Thanks for the brainstorming and suggestions!

  • @olleolsson7837
    @olleolsson7837 2 года назад +1

    Nothing to do with the episode, but I really appreciate the black end screen that goes on for a couple of seconds. It’s very calming.
    Great editing idea. 👍🏽

  • @darkairieal
    @darkairieal 2 года назад +1

    Man this is just the coolest youtube channel.

  • @seanbrinlee4752
    @seanbrinlee4752 2 года назад

    This is really good stuff, I love seeing the notifications for your new videos!

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      The explanation is amazing!!!

  • @dainius4168
    @dainius4168 2 года назад

    An extremely well made presentation!

  • @pyronac1
    @pyronac1 2 года назад

    incredible. thank you for sharing this.

  • @TheBauwssss
    @TheBauwssss 2 года назад +3

    Put the mold release on, spread it around the surface so it touches every part and then spin it off at really high RMP, but adhere the slide to the rotor of the spincoater, hold the apparatus upside down and then turn it on! This way the mold release should be able to completely evacuate those cavities, allowing you to cast the microlenses without that tiny dent on each lens 'ball' 😁

  • @abhishekkulhari
    @abhishekkulhari 2 года назад

    Great video! All the etching talk takes me back to my IC Fabrication Class.

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      The explanation is amazing!!!

  • @bashkillszombies
    @bashkillszombies 2 года назад +1

    Whoa that guy has a black whiteboard, and he writes on it with light colored markers! That looks so cool! Way easier on the eyes too! You're a genius bro, you should patent it and call it the Breaking Taps's patented 'Unwhite Board.'

  • @pauls5745
    @pauls5745 2 года назад

    yes! generate so many of those peaks as close as possible and you'll see the material can be hydrophobic and other interesting properties

  • @aetius31
    @aetius31 2 года назад +6

    Great video (as usual), I found quite funny that you dont have acetic acid but have no problem getting HF :)

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +4

      Hehe yeah, it made me laugh as well. I was certain I had some... turns out it was citric not acetic 🙃

  • @olpizl
    @olpizl 2 года назад

    That „Explosions&Fire“ reference. Love it. Great video btw!

  • @MikeyMobes
    @MikeyMobes 11 месяцев назад

    thank you for the great in depth safety discussion. Good on you. A safe chemist on youtube is few and far between.

  • @markos.5539
    @markos.5539 2 года назад +4

    Such a cool project cuz the models and visuals were stunning. Tbf, I had a bit hard time catching up but its really interesting nonetheless.

  • @helmutzollner5496
    @helmutzollner5496 Год назад

    Very interesting! Thank you!

  • @IhsanMujdeci
    @IhsanMujdeci 2 года назад

    Bro, I don't know pretty much anything in this field but I love your work! Learning slowly through osmosis.

  • @andymouse
    @andymouse 2 года назад

    I can't get enough of this stuff !.....cheers.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching! :)

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад +1

      It is so good, definitely!

  • @WaffleStaffel
    @WaffleStaffel 2 года назад

    Excellent! Always fascinating! Thanks!

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      Yeah, thank you so much, it is insightful

  • @janbeck8269
    @janbeck8269 2 года назад +1

    Sweet! Thanks for sharing!

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      It is so good, definitely!

  • @Ornateluna
    @Ornateluna 2 года назад +3

    lol that explosionsandfire call out

  • @GermanMythbuster
    @GermanMythbuster 2 года назад

    Super cool video!
    Keep up the great work man you are awesome! 😃😃😃🤩

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      Agreed, so well explained

  • @FilmFactry
    @FilmFactry 2 года назад

    You got my SUBSCRIBE in less than 40 seconds. very clear and interesting presentation. Some youtubers drag things on so long.

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      It is so good, definitely!

  • @johndooley1941
    @johndooley1941 2 года назад +1

    Nice, I remember about 25 years ago some researchers in the UK made a micro lens sheet film but I think the lenses were a few millimetres in diameter and the optics were such on the lenses you could shine a projector onto the lens film and then view the sheet from any angle and see the flat image that was being projected without distortion from pretty much any angle, the lenses accommodated for any distortion. I don't remember if they mirrored the back of the sheet or whether it was all in the shape of the lenses

  • @Zolbat
    @Zolbat 2 года назад +1

    First time watcher here, its incredible what technology you use and how you showcase what it does. I wonder if you could use those reliable spikes in a circular pattern to create a lens

  • @JulianMakes
    @JulianMakes Год назад

    Awesome video thanks!

  • @pm4819
    @pm4819 Год назад

    Man, you do some cool stuff!

  • @willkrummeck
    @willkrummeck 11 месяцев назад

    amasing, i been dreaming about this, but not so small cause if you can have these in paint it would be good for many things

  • @bastilux
    @bastilux 2 года назад

    Realy cool project. I didn´t knew about metal assisted etching myself and will try it in my research.
    For the etching process: In my experience laser structuring of a silicon surface with a thin film layer of gold leaves some regions in crystaline and some in an amorph phase. So actually what you suggested with the melting. This is proven by several methods like TEM lamella and leads to interesting results with anisotropic etching, as the amorph layer reacts completely different to an KOH/Isopropanol etchant.

  • @johnmorrell3187
    @johnmorrell3187 2 года назад

    I just attended a talk by a guy (Greg Nielson) who's developed a technology where two photon absorption is used to make silicon (or silicon carbide) susceptible to etching. Two photon absorption is caused when photons at energies lower than are needed to excite electrons out of the valence bands can still cause electrons to be excited when two photons together are absorbed. Since this is only statistically possible when the intensity of light is very high, you can selectively etch a region controlled by the focal point of a laser source. The silicon is transparent to the laser and doesn't have much effect except at this focal point, which means you can etch out 3d paths with very precise geometry and ridiculously high aspect ratios of tunnels (like aspect ratios above 1000). It's like SLA printing in reverse. Pretty cool!

  • @stuartrobertson331
    @stuartrobertson331 2 года назад

    Awesome work ! Beautiful sem work too

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      It is so good, definitely!

  • @KidCorporate
    @KidCorporate 2 года назад

    Not sure why this particular video got me to subscribe, but here I am.

  • @KallePihlajasaari
    @KallePihlajasaari 2 года назад

    Not too long, we want part two. Please.

  • @YodaWhat
    @YodaWhat Год назад +1

    @Breaking Taps - I suspect your laser etching was so intense, it vaporized the photoresist, causing *ablative etching* of the underlying material. With that in mind, I think you could skip some steps and the dangerous chemicals, by just painting the surface with something that is black at your laser wavelength, and directly etch your pits. You will of course have to experiment with thickness of the paint and the laser power/focus, but you should be able to produce etching of a wide range of surface textures just by varying those 2 parameters. I discovered this effect when etching patterns onto the back of mirror tiles. In that case, too little laser power would remove just the black paint, leaving the mirror metal largely undamaged, which was then very hard to remove with further laser etching.

  • @synapticaxon9303
    @synapticaxon9303 2 года назад +5

    What parameters are you using to produce the "micro-spikes"? If you coat them with silver, I suspect they can be used as a reflective axicon lens (or "reflaxicon"). Then it would be interesting to use your ablation laser reflected off that, producing a Bessel-like beam, or perhaps an array of these beams. You said they are about one micron tall and have a radius of 200-400nm? I would hypothesize that you can produce more uniform ablation/etching using bessel-like beams because the waste material will not interfere as much, there will be fewer optical aberrations. Add a phase conjugate mirror to the mix and you've got something special. Very interesting, indeed.

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  2 года назад +3

      Added some details to the video description! Basically low power (6-10%), 40kHz, and a 63mm lens on my particular machine. That's an interesting idea about the axicons! Will mull it over, and might be able to do something fun with the etched ablation craters too if they are coated. Hmmm

    • @michaelfoye1135
      @michaelfoye1135 2 года назад +1

      @@BreakingTaps Please permit me to offer some unsolicited advice.
      Watching your video, it occurred to me that the problem you were having is not unlike the sort of problems many hobbyists have when trying to make molds of toys or small gadgets.
      If I interpreted your description of your molding process correctly, you simply poured the silicon into the available gap on the mold you wanted to use. This is not a bad way to make molds for jelly candies, sugar candies, and other similar edibles. You may have noticed that many of these candies have hollows in their shapes not at all dissimilar to the ones that you have in your lenses. Fortunately there are a number of possible solutions to this issue. I recommend that you take a look at the methods used in industry to make casts and molds for metal, plastic, and silicone. What I think will be most beneficial tfor your purposes is adding a sprue, runner, and a riser to your casting. I would also ad an exit sprue for excess material. You want to pour more material than you are using, have a slight rise from the pouring cup and sprue into a well that connects to a runner, then to a riser, then another riser which may or may not have a gate and into the casting and the exit sprue which should rise to the level of the pouring cup sprue so it can catch all the materials being displaced, and help to maintain the pressure on the mold surface. Insufficient pressure on mold surface is a very large part of the problem you are having with the lenses being deformed. The added material has to be trimmed, but you will most likely end up with a significantly better quality final product.
      I hope that you will find this helpful. Thank you for sharing your interesting work.

  • @alfoxgamer
    @alfoxgamer 2 года назад +1

    Keep it up ! Love your videos

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      It is so good, definitely!

  • @a__duck
    @a__duck 2 года назад

    This kind of stuff is so cool.

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      The explanation is amazing!!!

  • @ThomasAndersonbsf
    @ThomasAndersonbsf 2 года назад +3

    those rough looking ridges look like a way to super micronize the thickness of a sound absorbing coating to go on a wall or something similar. might be a cool experiment to make enough to put a cone of silence around a mic so only what is directly in front of it is picked up, any side glancing sound waves get absorbed mostly and don't hit the mic?

    • @Greenicegod
      @Greenicegod 2 года назад

      The reason sound absorbing materials are big and thick is because sound waves are on the scale of centimeters to decimeters. Any obstruction smaller than the wavelength of the sound you want to absorb is no obstruction at all. The wave will just roll past it without noticing.

    • @ThomasAndersonbsf
      @ThomasAndersonbsf 2 года назад

      @@Greenicegod question, how does such a long wave travel in air when gas particles are so small? LOL

  • @JustATempest
    @JustATempest 2 года назад

    I like how this channel went from a workshop channel to straight up microscopic science.

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      It is so good, definitely!

  • @zombieregime
    @zombieregime 2 года назад

    For what its worth, in animatronics we would use a silicone release that was paraffin wax and hexane(iirc). I had the thought of spinning that on a mold to see if the surface left from the wax would be smooth enough. But considering the size scales and some of the other chemical engineering in other posts about releasing silicone, yall are miles beyond my level of chemical understanding LOL
    Still, love the channel. Its awesome seeing someone beyond the 'this is a resistor' beginning level kind of stuff, but not talking like a retired academic using terms only people with doctorates would understand. Makes for a great intermediate 'next step' if you will in learning higher sciences. 😁👍

  • @Theminecraftian772
    @Theminecraftian772 2 года назад +1

    Fantastic production quality!! These microlenses might be useful for increasing solar panel efficiency by refracting the different light colors out of sunlight. Maybe a series of differently sized holes will yield some interesting result as a micro-refractor in various laser scenarios. Great science!!

    • @heidelbergaren5054
      @heidelbergaren5054 2 года назад

      The films with lenses to increase effectiveness of solar panels are not symmetrically round, they look more like bananas

    • @Theminecraftian772
      @Theminecraftian772 2 года назад

      @@heidelbergaren5054 That's awesome!! Sad that this method of lens generation won't work, but I had no idea they used bananas to make solar panels.

  • @julianlauterfeld6273
    @julianlauterfeld6273 Год назад

    I really enjoy all of your Videos, don't know if you still read comments on older videos but I thought about mass spectrometry and somehow that you would be the perfect fit to build and explain one 😆 keep it up

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  Год назад +1

      I do keep an eye on old videos, thanks for the comment! I'll keep it in mind, mass spec is super cool and I wouldn't mind having a poor man's version sitting aroudn 😁

    • @julianlauterfeld6273
      @julianlauterfeld6273 Год назад

      @@BreakingTaps having a small fangirl moment here 😁

    • @BreakingTaps
      @BreakingTaps  Год назад

      @@julianlauterfeld6273 🤗

  • @DerClaudius
    @DerClaudius 2 года назад

    Interesting, thanks. I wonder if you could spin off the mold release by setting the glass plate on it's edge, off-center, etching facing out... you'd need another glass plate for balance and some holder for both plates.

  • @tom7
    @tom7 2 года назад

    Very neat!

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      Agreed, so well explained
      !

  • @Yuzuki017
    @Yuzuki017 2 года назад

    17 19
    yes. the same can be found in machining... with scraped ways.
    fluid... or liquid dynamics. its an interesting topic.

  • @davidk7544
    @davidk7544 2 года назад

    try ablation under vacuum. try adding pinhole separate physical layer in the same pattern behind your microlenses. glass workers i've worked with say it's safest to handle HF with bare wet hands - kept wet and rinsed while working. prevents the acid from hitting the skin directly and does a bit of dilution and prevents direct contact with skin. it's the HF permeating skin that leads to bone loss under the contact. (not seen this in action) want to collaborate? tell me how.

  • @dieselphiend
    @dieselphiend Год назад

    When YT can provide you with a better education than institutions.

  • @renatobugge6863
    @renatobugge6863 2 года назад

    Very nice presentation. The anisotropic Si etching you experience in the first part is probably due to the material quality or purity of your Si substrate. It could be residue from the polishing or it could be the actual material (when the ingot was made). If you want to repeat it, I would go for high resistance FZ Si with a good RCA cleaning procedure before you start.
    I like your warning about the HF. Its extremely dangerous. HNA etching is very fast and tend to show localized etching variations that would probably not give you any good result.

  • @sublucid
    @sublucid 2 года назад +5

    Can you make super hydrophobic surfaces using the spikes (or some other laser-pattern)?

  • @JB-wq6yi
    @JB-wq6yi 2 года назад

    This is one of the coolest videos I have seen on RUclips in some time. I am wondering if you formed the microlens array on a substrate with high thermal expansion properties if you could make it focusable by changing the temperature, and it would be cool to see a Fresnel lens made with this type of process, I think it could be pulled off with some of the patterns I saw there.

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      Yeah, thank you so much, it is insightful

  • @EatRawGarlic
    @EatRawGarlic 2 года назад

    If in the future you could optimize process control further, it would be interesting to see if a micro-lens array could be used for a DIY light field camera.

  • @JakeDownsWuzHere
    @JakeDownsWuzHere 2 года назад

    the first thing i'm thinking of is lightfield photos, but i'm not sure if it applies haha. Great job using your scraps and making a great video out of your tanget.

  • @tedz2usa
    @tedz2usa 2 года назад

    What if you used strong bursts of compressed air after spinning, to "blow" out the deposited mold release? So awesome to watch this journey!

  • @beaudanner
    @beaudanner 2 года назад

    Would love to see how these are used and applied at the end. Great work and details given.
    Have you tried Dustin's idea? Really interested

  • @lynxshd
    @lynxshd 2 года назад

    could you get a better mold, by slowing down the laser strike to spread the dimples (adding more space between each dimple ) making more room for the dimple to growing during the longer etching period? that way you can capture a smoother full sphere. Cool way to make lemonade out of lemons.

  • @georhodiumgeo9827
    @georhodiumgeo9827 2 года назад

    Dude you got a comment from Applied Science and SmarterEveryDay. That's legendary stats right there. Great video, thanks. Also it was not too long, you could have rambled for another hour and I would have enjoyed the whole thing.
    Edit: you got Huygens Optics down there too! damn.

  • @techninja42
    @techninja42 2 года назад

    Should definitely make an animation of the crater spikes at different adjacent settings, they seem so repeatable it could be seamless to make as many as you need for the different frames.

  • @DavidLindes
    @DavidLindes 2 года назад

    15:06 (and 15:39 makes it easier to see) - soooo much sensor dust! :'(
    ( ;) )
    But seriously: fascinating, cool stuff. Thanks for sharing! And for skipping filming the deadly parts!! Safety takes priority.

  • @frankgarcia8378
    @frankgarcia8378 2 года назад

    This silicon spikes are probably from the expansion of the silicon upon cooling after melting. I get (much larger) ones when I use an electron beam deposition system for evaporating silicon. Careful control of the laser parameters should allow you to create spikes with different geometries (size, height, etc.).

  • @JathTech
    @JathTech 2 года назад

    Try placing the mold on top of the epoxy resin so the mold release flows out to the edges of the craters rather than to the bottom.

  • @lol-xx9kn
    @lol-xx9kn 8 дней назад

    I wonder if instead of a subtractive manufacturing process, you could instead find some way to form micro bubbles out of clear resin with a specific radius and regular arrangement on an array pattern. I'm picturing something like a grid that you pre-form using a resin or sla printer, and then maybe dip the array into resin and allow the surface tension to naturally form perfect spheres in the grid.
    Maybe you could get more perfect micro lenses

  • @gristlevonraben
    @gristlevonraben 2 года назад

    Awesome video

    • @meetoptics
      @meetoptics 2 года назад

      Yeah, thank you so much, it is insightful

  • @jdstar6352
    @jdstar6352 2 года назад

    Wonderful! Now try making a holographic lens array!

  • @justsomedudeontheinternet
    @justsomedudeontheinternet 2 года назад

    would you be able to flip the thing over after spin coating for a while, and run it again? Or would that lose all the coating to gravity? Alternately, would an even pressure of an non-reactive gas during spin-coat help to smooth down the mold release lumps?

  • @Dovorans
    @Dovorans 2 года назад

    If you make a big array of those laser induced spikes, use that as a positive mold it would be cool to see if the a pad of silicone with a bunch of those spikes would act like the hairs on gecko feet.

  • @didotb01
    @didotb01 2 года назад

    I'm curious why you chose degassing instead of pressurizing. as well as when should you use which method

  • @albertsin3159
    @albertsin3159 2 года назад

    It was easy and done in 198x. Germany made a device attached to SEM and create micro lens on Silicon waver.

  • @kenwatanabe2599
    @kenwatanabe2599 2 года назад

    would spinning the sil. plate upside down too allow gravity to cause a more even layer of mold release?

  • @wirehyperspace
    @wirehyperspace 2 года назад

    when i worked hydrofluoric acid we used wax for etching - and it is no joke had hole in glove and didn't know - a sware my heart was beating backwards - it felt like a Navy hot shot - in pain all night - platinum iron pyrite and lead makes sulfur but that isn't any real help like the silvadene cream for acid burns - robots are nice

  • @peterxyz3541
    @peterxyz3541 2 года назад

    Fascinating. I wondered how camera micro lens got made
    Have you tried spinning the mold release up-side-down? Allowing extra release to fall away with gravity?

  • @ThomasAndersonbsf
    @ThomasAndersonbsf 2 года назад

    I wonder if the mold release would be cleared if you were to stick the whole thing upside down affixing it to the center so you could spray upward on it then spin to get it to that super thin layering effect, the other aspect would be to run it at various spin rates so you could find the rate that leaves more instead of less to create dimples of sunk in mold release where the pits are at, and it becomes your smooth surface for the lenses to form?