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  • @kcooke00
    @kcooke00 2 года назад +52

    I graduated the Marine Infantry Officers Course in 1988. The staff officers weighed everything we had to carry from 200 rounds of machine gun ammo and a mortar round per man to our boot laces and the water in our canteens. The total load was 105.3 lbs. They also determined the maximum length of a force march while having the physical capacity to fight at the end of it with those real combat loads as 8 - 8.5 miles.
    All this feminist lobbying for equal outcomes makes units less lethal and weakens our nation.

    • @ACiDiCAnGeL
      @ACiDiCAnGeL Год назад +5

      This year's IOC prep platoon conducted a 15 mile hike. Their packs weighed 98lb and this is not including their uniform, boot laces and whatever else that ultimately weighs up to an additional 12lb give or take and this is not including their weapon (~12lb IAR M27). There are women at IOC currently and they all passed that hike. I do wonder at times why our loads are increasingly heavy over the years. I'm not at IOC but I did go through the BOC. General Zinni came to talk with us early in the POI, he commented on how we carry far too much. My dad is a Marine of the Vietnam War; he was attached to a recon unit. He had his flak, .45, claymores, and kabar. The RTO had the radio as well; the PRC-117's predecessor.

    • @detectivedonaldkimball
      @detectivedonaldkimball Год назад +2

      @@ACiDiCAnGeL I remember General Zinni's talk, loads can go in excess of 150lbs at times, I know several girls who did not have any probably hiking under load at TBS and some that I bet would be successfull at IOC if they had wanted to go there, several girls have been to IOC with varying success but it's been done

    • @ACiDiCAnGeL
      @ACiDiCAnGeL Год назад

      @@detectivedonaldkimball Were we in the same TBS class!

    • @detectivedonaldkimball
      @detectivedonaldkimball Год назад +1

      @@ACiDiCAnGeL Charlie company 2022, hbu?

    • @ACiDiCAnGeL
      @ACiDiCAnGeL Год назад +2

      @@detectivedonaldkimball Whattt! I was in Fox 6-22 :)

  • @bigcountry4539
    @bigcountry4539 8 месяцев назад +14

    My combat load as a Field Radio Operator 2531 and sec MOS 0321 (Reconnaissance Marine) was 125lbs... I know of NO single female who could endure the hardships we endured as such... 1985-91... Semper Fidelis!

  • @danroffee4904
    @danroffee4904 2 года назад +33

    Officers must lead. War does not adjust to body type. Mental challenges aren't the limiting factor. Infantry operate at a primal physical level. Subordinate Marines deserve and require officers who are better.

    • @rockyrocamontes8972
      @rockyrocamontes8972 2 года назад

      Fatigue will make a coward out of any man. You have to know your limitations and at point you can push past it.

  • @jomon723
    @jomon723 5 лет назад +45

    Been there and done that with women and they always fade away....even if they pass, they will not want to stay with it over time

  • @mikejozefowicz888
    @mikejozefowicz888 3 года назад +36

    I am a Marine, once a Marine always a Marine. I have no problem with any woman that can pass the Marine Officers Infantry course. But you cannot lower the standards. How many men attempt and fail. It is a job requisite to pass to hold the job.

    • @rockyrocamontes8972
      @rockyrocamontes8972 2 года назад +2

      The problem I have with women in a rifle company. Once they are around me or other Marines good at their job. They will become affectionate. It happens with my male counterparts. It's just going to another level with a woman. Then we get into that fraternization with officers and enlisted thing.

    • @claychandler3468
      @claychandler3468 Год назад

      STFU. You didn't. Even pass Cub Scouts!!

    • @mikejozefowicz888
      @mikejozefowicz888 Год назад

      @@claychandler3468 you must be a sensitive snowflake

  • @rockyrocamontes8972
    @rockyrocamontes8972 2 года назад +10

    The harder the better, because when you're in the fight of your life. A strong mind and body will make you a formidable weapon.

    • @rockyrocamontes8972
      @rockyrocamontes8972 2 года назад +4

      My company Gunnery Sergeant said, "fatigue will make a coward out of the strongest Warrior. "

    • @rockyrocamontes8972
      @rockyrocamontes8972 2 года назад +1

      @The GigaChad fatigue will make a coward out of any man.

  • @franklinpayero8382
    @franklinpayero8382 5 лет назад +27

    They never did show it,the female and male doing the fighting part of the training

    • @pepper29ful
      @pepper29ful 5 лет назад +1

      Hey Franklin, hate to break it to you, but not everybody goes to the front line. There are about 1000 other jobs you can do in the military w/o fighting.

    • @johnnydikstra9407
      @johnnydikstra9407 4 года назад +18

      @@pepper29ful This is an INFANTRY officer course, you missed the entire point of the segment

    • @lockandloadlikehell
      @lockandloadlikehell 3 года назад +4

      @@pepper29ful hey ...lil girl...hate to break it to you....but they already lowered the standards to allow them to pass basic

    • @cracanata
      @cracanata 3 года назад +3

      @@pepper29ful
      Than stop trying to fill the boots of men.
      1- You deny access to potentially more competent men that could pass the tests and make a career in the military, in combat or not.
      2- By filling up the administrative positions with women, you only make sure that only men exposes themselves to harm, while the women claim the same status as the men who sacrifice their lives in the line of duty.
      3- Lower the PT standards to accommodate females and weaker men which lowers combat effectiveness and put everyone that passes the standard PT in danger or work twice as hard to make up for the weaker ones.
      However you look at it men will have to pay and sacrifice more, plus incites disrespect among the military force. Making women feeling better about themselves has no place in a place where every weakness can get a lot of people killed.

  • @davebusby5904
    @davebusby5904 4 года назад +63

    I was a sergeant of Marines. Infantry for four years, '72-'76. I would not have had much confidence if one of my platoon commanders had been a woman. Just sayin'.

    • @bannaxe7338
      @bannaxe7338 4 года назад +9

      I agree with you but I have to say it anyway.
      Okay boomer.

    • @djanitatiana
      @djanitatiana 3 года назад +10

      @@bannaxe7338 That's Sgt Boomer to you

    • @everyonetookmyid
      @everyonetookmyid Год назад +1

      I wanna see females transfer 155 rounds from gun 1 to gun 6

    • @davebusby5904
      @davebusby5904 Год назад +3

      @@bannaxe7338 Lol! I love the term BOOMER.

    • @ptsd6129
      @ptsd6129 Год назад

      Yeah woman should not be a platoon leader in combat, I wouldn’t trust them, woman don’t have the mental strength and physical strength to be in combat.
      Yes I agree with you Dave Busby.

  • @rodneylockwood1362
    @rodneylockwood1362 4 года назад +18

    There needs to be a clause of no pregnancies while in a combat outfit. The whole work up before deployment is team building. If you are the SAW gunner and get pregnant you are out of the team and now that team is out of sync.
    Yes to Artillery, LAVs, AAVs, Tanks, but NO straight leg grunts.

    • @slowpoke96Z28
      @slowpoke96Z28 3 года назад

      Good point. For example, I see no reason a pregnant woman couldn’t do arty. But after some point in the pregnancy, labor is imminent and has to be a liability. And apparently labor is hard enough on its own, without adding combat.

    • @deathfromabove2250
      @deathfromabove2250 3 года назад

      Women shouldn't be authorized to get pregnant during their first contract in the military. If they do, automatic separation. They sign a contract agreeing to work in exchange for pay and benefits for 4 years, while being ready to deploy anywhere in the world. If you can't meet that obligation in your first contract, kick rocks.

    • @everyonetookmyid
      @everyonetookmyid Год назад

      Do female marines sleep naked in their bags? Friend wanted to know

  • @9989Wolverine
    @9989Wolverine 5 лет назад +66

    "We can do pullups" you did 3. Not 20 like the men.

  • @scruffy5119
    @scruffy5119 4 года назад +8

    13:04 he wants to say fuck no

  • @dctuss21
    @dctuss21 Месяц назад +1

    Ive been on range 400 at 29 palms where OCS has its course. The first time I had respect for officers, that course is bonkers long

  • @raygambol2773
    @raygambol2773 3 года назад +10

    Im sorry to say, keep the social experiments out of the Marine Corps when it comes to women doing Infantry. It's a tough and demanding job and need beast for this job. Semper Fi!

  • @stevehowell601
    @stevehowell601 3 года назад +9

    with that voice she thinks she can command a infantry platoon ? Please

  • @krystiangaweda
    @krystiangaweda Год назад +3

    If you think they should lower their requirements just don't join Marine corps.

  • @andresc5915
    @andresc5915 3 года назад +3

    “But we have it on video now, we can do ‘em” ☠️☠️☠️ No shit... but what about everything else?!

  • @jmjennings59
    @jmjennings59 2 месяца назад +1

    'That's one of those myths ... that women can't do pull-ups. But we have it on video now.' Spare us. We have her on video all right - doing two. Male Marines who can do 20 are a dime a dozen.
    Nobody actually argues that 'women can't do pull-ups.' Some women can't do any. Some men can't do any. But if you test well-conditioned athletes - swimmers for instance, who typically can do lots of pull-ups - you will find that on average, top-ranked women will be able to do fewer than top-ranked men.
    How many fewer? I'd bet fewer than half as many. I would be easy to tabulate pull-up results from the final PFTs at TBS and MCRD, break them down by sex and average them out. I am quite sure the Marines have crunched those numbers and would have been happy to share them with '60 Minutes,' had the reporter bothered to ask.

  • @FINALLYOUTAFTER7
    @FINALLYOUTAFTER7 Год назад +3

    Marines are different. Always have been.

  • @DOC-Jake-
    @DOC-Jake- 4 года назад +4

    It is EARNED NOT GIVEN ! Marines are like no other branch. I’m partial I raised 1 great Usmc aviator ! America has no idea on what our military does day in/out. The females get it worse , but they are marines !! So they all earn the title & the men know it ! Ooh. Rah. Semper fi 🇺🇸

  • @treygingles835
    @treygingles835 2 года назад +10

    How many other Marines in her class were the subject of a 60 minutes interview? How many males failed? Did those that made it get celebrated. I’m neither impressed nor am I let down. I have only one question. Was the standard maintained? If the answer is yes then I salute her. I can say this because I graduated from IOC in 2005. I spent 20 years in a Marine Rifle company, or supporting one. If we didnt give her or some weak male a step stool then I’m good with her joining the ranks

  • @frank8534
    @frank8534 3 года назад +2

    If I was up on that mountain I’d make the dude in the white and res shirt to get the hell away from me.

  • @ryanmoore3061
    @ryanmoore3061 Год назад +2

    Weight apparently is a problem. What is going to happen when you have to drag or carry your 225lb buddy out of trouble?

    • @erics362
      @erics362 3 месяца назад +1

      A 225 pound Marine probably has a weight problem 🤔.

    • @ryanmoore3061
      @ryanmoore3061 27 дней назад +1

      @@erics362 Ok so we'll call it a180lb buddy. What happens then?

    • @erics362
      @erics362 26 дней назад +1

      @@ryanmoore3061 She'lll have no problem carrying him.

    • @jackjohnson6230
      @jackjohnson6230 21 день назад +1

      ​@@erics362 in your dreams not in reality

    • @erics362
      @erics362 21 день назад +1

      @@jackjohnson6230 How about if he had both legs blown off? Would he be light enough for her to carry then?

  • @sereysothea932
    @sereysothea932 3 года назад +8

    Abby from tlou2 can ace this test

    • @lelandjermaine8378
      @lelandjermaine8378 3 года назад

      I guess Im kind of off topic but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released movies online?

    • @kashtonsebastian4802
      @kashtonsebastian4802 3 года назад

      @Leland Jermaine Flixportal

    • @lelandjermaine8378
      @lelandjermaine8378 3 года назад

      @Kashton Sebastian thank you, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I appreciate it !

    • @kashtonsebastian4802
      @kashtonsebastian4802 3 года назад

      @Leland Jermaine You are welcome =)

  • @whatever9042
    @whatever9042 4 года назад +16

    When I was in the Marines I remember my leadership having balls I remember when congress told them to do something the marines didn’t like they had balls to say nope we aren’t doing that. Seems like all these officers care about is getting promoted instead of protecting the corps

  • @dennismasters8669
    @dennismasters8669 5 лет назад +4

    Semper fi

  • @patrickfullan9509
    @patrickfullan9509 Год назад +6

    Women have ZERO business being front line grunts.

  • @marylandflyer5670
    @marylandflyer5670 3 года назад +12

    My niece had the highest score ever at Paris Island for PT. She beat more than 70% of the men. After that, she became a pool instructor because she blew out a knee in a training exercise. It can be done by more females than you think. She was a badass swimmer before going into the Corps.

    • @baxleyjohn
      @baxleyjohn 3 года назад +3

      Wtf does that even mean?

    • @nmelkhunter1
      @nmelkhunter1 3 года назад +1

      And then the wear are tear sets in...Believe me it does. AATW.

    • @Boxcar101
      @Boxcar101 3 года назад +8

      If your niece had "the highest score ever at Paris Island for PT," why didn't she beat 100% of the men? And how does one get higher than a perfect 300, which people get all the time? I think you're niece may be telling you fibs.

    • @sanansa4567
      @sanansa4567 3 года назад +1

      Good for her. But I am sure she is the exception. You are talking about a one off case. You cannot set standards by outliers, such as your niece. You have to go by averages. That is how they come up with the minimum standards to make it through training.

    • @stevehowell601
      @stevehowell601 9 месяцев назад +1

      SURE THEY CAN ........SAID NO MARINE GRUNT EVER

  • @gmaqwert
    @gmaqwert 4 месяца назад

    Some people would rather lose the war then be politically incorrect.

  • @briansacco3181
    @briansacco3181 2 месяца назад

    6 years and still a liability

  • @petermclelland278
    @petermclelland278 4 месяца назад

    Size matters when you're being shot at ?

  • @dfin4588
    @dfin4588 3 года назад +5

    As long as the standards dont change, women should be allowed to do any job in the Marine Corps. If they cant meet the standards, they get dropped, period. There are men that cant meet the standards. They get dropped. So do the same thing with the women.

    • @Ser_Arthur_Dayne
      @Ser_Arthur_Dayne 3 года назад

      This is one of my huge problems with this. Apparently there used to be a standard march that needed to be completed by all Infantry Officers - 15KM (about 9.5 miles) in under 3 hours with a 152lb pack..(and your weapon, of course..) the Obama Admin forced them to drop both and lower the standards so women would have a chance at completing the course. Ridiculous. I was never in the military but I really wanted to be - long story - in particular a Marine infantry officer. And I was in *tremendous shape* by the time I graduated high school. Wrestling for years and dedicating myself to preparing my body etc - I was in *great shape* - but I was only 5'8" and 135lbs. I honestly do not believe I could have carried a 152lb, almost certainly not for 9.5 miles, *and* at a 3+ miles per hour pace. If a woman can do exactly what the men do, go on with your bad self then. No problem. Lowering standards is bullshit. Shannon motherfucking Faulkner fought to go to The Citadel because she wanted to be a social justice warrior before we had such things. She lasted 4 hours before claiming 'heat stress' and was gone in a week. It's just ridiculous. The girl on this is celebrating doing pullups. She looked barely able to complete 3. I think I used to do 26-30 in under a minute.

    • @dfin4588
      @dfin4588 3 года назад +1

      @@Ser_Arthur_Dayne I was in the Marine Corps. There are no humps with a pack that weighed anywhere near 150 pounds. Maybe 75-80 pounds. At best. But definitely not 150 pounds. And Obama did not ever dictate such details regarding how Marines are trained. Those things are decided at a much lower level than the president. I agree, however, with the notion that lowering standards is bullshit. Especially in a branch of service like the Marines.

    • @dfin4588
      @dfin4588 3 года назад

      @@Ser_Arthur_Dayne BTW, the sword of the morning could have easily carried a 150 pound pack for 9.5 miles. ;)

    • @Ser_Arthur_Dayne
      @Ser_Arthur_Dayne 3 года назад

      @@dfin4588 Fair enough, thank you very much - although you will note, I was quite specific of Infantry Officers and the standards in the Infantry Officer Course - were you an Infantry Officer? And you will also note I said the "Obama Admin" - I did not say President Obama. And yes, the Obama Administration *did* issue orders lowering the standards of the Infantry Officer Course, you yourself can readily find this online.

    • @lockandloadlikehell
      @lockandloadlikehell 3 года назад

      @@dfin4588 standards were SIGNIFICANTLY lowered for females in ROTC

  • @johnbreuwet6224
    @johnbreuwet6224 5 лет назад

    5:45 that’s where you fucked up baby, you have to eat 5 MREs a day.

  • @frank8534
    @frank8534 3 года назад +4

    We have females doing pull ups on video?!?!? That means every woman should be able to do them. The marine corps should make females do pull ups in stead of flex arm hang. Oh wait they did and went back to flex arm hang bc so many failed.

    • @jenniferlopez3454
      @jenniferlopez3454 2 года назад

      We don’t do the flex arm hang. It’s either pull ups or push ups. Even if you do push ups you still don’t get full points like you would in pull ups.

    • @frank8534
      @frank8534 2 года назад

      @@jenniferlopez3454 really? I heard they went back to flex are hang? Guess I was told wrong.

    • @jenniferlopez3454
      @jenniferlopez3454 2 года назад

      @@frank8534 no it’s not a thing anymore 😂

  • @kotahurt
    @kotahurt 2 года назад +1

    I have been single for like 25 years

  • @phettywappharmaceuticalsll8842
    @phettywappharmaceuticalsll8842 Год назад +1

    Damn marines too smh

  • @thomasfarmer8517
    @thomasfarmer8517 23 дня назад

    Where is she today? No where....

  • @ryannolfe9051
    @ryannolfe9051 5 лет назад +12

    The rope is the easiest part if you know how to do it properly! OMG

    • @roberthutchison2802
      @roberthutchison2802 4 года назад

      Depends when you do it

    • @jeffreyheil9542
      @jeffreyheil9542 Год назад +1

      The rope during the event isn’t just the O Course. It’s only a small part of the first day.

    • @ryannolfe9051
      @ryannolfe9051 Год назад

      Wow, this comment is old.

  • @hammersticksjoey7574
    @hammersticksjoey7574 8 месяцев назад

    Who ever thought this was a good idea?

  • @thomasritz4863
    @thomasritz4863 2 месяца назад

    If they can meet EXACTLY the same standards as the men then fine. NO they cannot meet the same standards....

  • @PeterRose-je5wu
    @PeterRose-je5wu Месяц назад

    Standard

  • @xusmico187
    @xusmico187 6 месяцев назад

    the cadre officers are classic poloticians

  • @triciabyrne7761
    @triciabyrne7761 4 года назад +2

    So proud of all your efforts! Arougah!

  • @xusmico187
    @xusmico187 6 месяцев назад

    TBS HAS changed to ruck march graded events and other graded events to accomidate womwen. results will be deadly for combat. put 120 lb pack on a woman and she will fail. yes she can do pullups, but like old jump school men and woman have seperate upper body and run distance requirements.

  • @ardiusfidelis6568
    @ardiusfidelis6568 5 лет назад +1

    It does looks prehistoric!

  • @karwinchau4684
    @karwinchau4684 3 года назад

    Bees....

  • @Ted1775
    @Ted1775 2 года назад +8

    "Charlie didn't get much USO. He was dug in too deep or moving too fast. He idea of R&R was cold rice and a little rate meat.
    He had only two ways home: Death, or Victory." -- Captain Willard, "Apocalypse Now"

  • @PeterRose-je5wu
    @PeterRose-je5wu Месяц назад

    Standard