The quince gel looks really similar to flax seed gel. It get nice and gelatinous when you boil it and is great for nourishing hair too. The shine from the quince gel is really nice too. Love the experiments.
As a Japanese person, I'm guessing the sea moss is close to what we use in Japanese confectionery. What we use is a group of sea weeds we collectively call tengusa 天草, and they are used to produce jellies like tokoro-ten 心太 or kan-ten 寒天. As an Irish person, because I have dual citizenship, I think I recognize that moss from when I was swimming around in the Irish sea for my water safety certificate. Yet, I have no idea what that sea weed is actually called, so I count this as a failure on my part. I must learn more about the flora and fauna of Ireland.
Irish Sea Moss is a species of red algae found in the North Atlantic between Britain and North America and over half of it is the polysaccharide carrageenan. A different polysaccharide, agarose extracted from ogonori and tengusa red algae produce the gelatin you're referring to, Agar Agar (because there is also a trace of another polysacc, agaropectin present).
@@tjs114 Thanks a million! I vaguely remember seeing the words agar agar somewhere, maybe on the back of food packaging, and now thanks to you, I know what it means. Thanks!
Curly girl here - LUS Brands makes a modern Sea Moss Gel and it is the bomb! Definitely protects against the humidity and holds the curl. In case you want an easy travel hack instead. 😉 This was really educational!
Speaking as someone with about 2 decades of experience with indiana weather+humidity I have to recommend using hard hold hair gels designed for curly hair if you want any semblance of hold and frizz fighting. Once the gel has fully set you can use a silicone containing hair oil or serum to break some of the crunchiness. If you really need your hair to stay then add some hairspray on top of it. The other biggest difference is making sure your hair is 100% dry before you exit your home or break the gel cast. On an unrelated note, since you've mentioned that you're near bloomington in some of your other videos you should check out the community orchard sometime this summer or fall. Any food that grows there is free for anyone to take (mostly people just pick a few things to snack on while they are there or after volunteering) and some of the things they grow are pretty unique. I used to volunteer there when I was at IU and I genuinely think it is one of my favorite places on the planet.
Seconding the recommendation for wavy/curly hair hard hold gels! Flax seed gel is a good pick if one wants a product accurate for the time period, but otherwise, Kinky Curly Curling Custard (for softness and shine) or the Aussie Freeze Gel plus hairspray would be my choice. Nothing more frustrating than to put time into a wet set only for it to be destroyed right away in humidity...!
You could try putting the solution in a tall glass and dipping your comb in it each time you prepare a section to curl. My mother did it that way when she used stale beer to set my hair. Stale beer must have been the setting gel of the Thirties and Forties.
The dried sea moss kind of looks like candied ginger or sour gummies, and the weird toddler portion of my brain wants to eat it. Also, Abby, I am sorry you are so stressed right now. I hope things work out okay and remember, you're going to have an awesome time with your friends, regardless of if you finish every project on your list or not.
Seeing you struggle with the sea moss was adorable. I'm Guyanese and my dad would make Irish moss shake all of the time in my childhood (like a delicious spiced milkshake) that he learned from a Jamaican colleague. You should look it up, it's very yummy.
You should look into the gel they use for jingju in China. It's made from tree bark and smells (I think) like forresty goodness. And it HOLDS. I put curls on girls who were backflipping and fighting all whilst singing opera and they didn't budge. It's also super fun to play with.
I am way too much of a coward to try out historical recipes for beauty stuff so these videos are always very fun to watch! Mad respect to you for having the courage to try all these things
I got immediately sidetracked when you talked about heat set. My grandmother still owns a couple of Marcel irons and used it to set her curls when her hair was permed back in the late 90s. There is definitely a technique to them that didn't pass on to later generations
In cosmetology school they still teach traditional Marcel iron usage (which is terrifying), as well as wet setting finger waves. At least in CA, where it’s a part of the state board to do finger waves. Very fun, if messy and time consuming.
My mother has a full set of Marcel curling irons and heat tools, including a little oven for them. She prefers them. She made sure I knew how to use them, I prefer electric spring hinge heat tools or curling wands.
Carageenan is actually fantastic, i work with it all the time. It's usually sold as a fine powder and is added to all sorts of things as a thickening agent, like cat food and ice cream. Its also the go-to for marblers, which is what I use it for, because it's so much cheaper then gum arabic and works way better then plain water. My cat also loves it, when I have a clean batch it's a fight to stop her from drinking it
Irish sea moss or carrageenan or carageen moss is actually really cool. It's great of you have a cough you can soak the moss in warm water and a spoonful in any drink helps the cough. It's also really nutritional and a natural thickening agent
I didn't know you could buy dried Irish Moss! Years ago I was given a recipe for Irish Moss Pudding by a friend (after I'd tasted it and Raved about how delicious it was). I called for 2 C (1 pint) half & half, scalded and then placed in a double boiler, 1 small handful of dried moss, rinsed (hers was harvested fresh and dried at home). This was only cooked for 10 minutes in the double boiler, then 1/3 C sugar stirred til melted. Remove from heat and add 1 tsp vanilla. This sets up stiff enough to actually cut with a spoon. It is delicious. I haven't made it in years because the New England beaches don't get Irish Moss washed up on shore anymore. If I recall, there was the faintest whiff of "ocean" when it was first rinsed, but because it was immediately put into cream that smell was gone.
The finger wave and pin curl gel I used in cosmetology school in 1973 had the texture of half set jello, the more you use, the more pronounced the wave ridge and curve. The longest lasting wave set was a combination of clipped waves and pin curls. Love 1920s waves!
The curls in your hair (especially when left open) would be called ‘Kokra’ (Curly) in Bengali and it reminded me of my maternal grandmother. She’d love your curls.
I use flax seed gel with some gelatin and essential oil to encourage my waves to hang around longer, as do many fellow curly girls out there. It looks like snot but works excellent
Quince really makes sense, since it has SO much pectin naturally. In my part of the world we make a sort of quince jelly/paste that can get SO thick and gummy you have to chew it, and scrape it off a spoon with your teeth because it doesn't run off like a normal jam. So yeah, yay for pectin!
Besides Quince Seeds and Irish Sea Moss, Poucher’s Perfumes, Cosmetics, and Soaps vol 3 (1923) in Setting Lotions also mentions psyllium seeds (that is smooth Metamucil or health food stores have the seeds for baking purposes as an alternative to flour which I saw used in a Great British Bake-Off episode). In the preparation of mucilage section it gives only “hot decoction for ten minutes is sufficient followed by straining and cooling” for psyllium and quince seeds. “Irish Moss is infused cold for a few hours after being freed of extraneous matter by washing”
I cannot express the amount of life you’ve brought to my perspective of historical fashion and people throughout history. I’ve always viewed history in a very flat way but since watching your videos (and Karolina’s) you’ve brought a whole new, fresh idea of what people from the past lived like, probably felt like, and the ways their fashion made them feel confident in the same ways modern clothing makes us feel today!
If you haven’t seen them already could I recommend: Tasting history…..Max plus food history, epic. Nicole Rudolph, I’m so jealous of her practical skills. Just wow. the Welsh Viking channel. Jimmy is an archaeology phd student who is great fun to listen to on a number of topics going back even further. Engineering knits. My mind is boggled every time. Retro Claud. Lace knitting should be banned, fairly certain it was invented to torture. Sage lileman, who looks at mid 20th century living. All brilliant. And there are many more. I’m assuming you are already on the Bernadette Banner bandwagon with the rest of us!
Glad Chrissy was able to talk you into keeping going. I enjoyed watching this and I got some of the most genuine laughter I’ve had in months that wasn’t from interacting with a animal from the references and what you bring to every video.
If you boil the quince gel with sugar you get a wonderfull jam 🥰 add it to bread or sponge cake and get a great breakfast. As for seaweed, I've eaten a sprecies of them in the Azores, directly from the sea to the pan, it was a nice part of the meal.
@@MinaF99 I belive that it is only the apples, but you don't eat the seeds only boil the seeds and the skins to extract the gel that is glued to them, then remove the skins and seeds before adding the sugar. If there is any cyanide I must be imune to it, that is my favourit jam after the pumpkin one, I've eaten loads of it since I can remember.
ask me a few years ago and I'd be grossed out with you about the moss- but since then I have started working with my dad to make a bonsai nursery and crimbly-bimbly-looks-crunchy-but-its-actually-kinda-like-a-stiff-foam-that-has-gone-stale moss is as normal as dirt and water to me. It gets in my hair sometimes. Who knew it was really just free period hair care. what a job perk!
As a teen, I was obsessed with finger waves and experimented in different ways (and gels) to achieve this look. It was so validating to hear you say it's hard to do on yourself!! Thanks for your videos!
Quince is such an amazing fruit. It tastes great, it's got a lot of vitamin c and can be used in soo many things. I'm really happy to see it works as a hair gel too :D
Yeah I find with my hair I normally have the leave it to dry for three days (I have thick hair though and I think it's quite porous) and the last day it feels like it's dry but it's never completely dry when I start taking it out and it goes frizzy but if I give it the extra day it's completely dry and then it's super silky and it looks like I've heat styled the curls and they last for well over a week and go really nice and wavey as the curls slowly fall out. Although I don't use these particular rollers or any like styling products. But yeah I think maybe just give it a bit longer to dry. Especially if the curl is there at the beginning but falls out really quickly.
I've been digging into 1910s (1915-1919) makeup and beauty routines for another video (similar to the edwardian makeup tutorial I did a while ago) - lots of fun stuff happening in this era!
I can remember my great aunts hair style and am certain that she would never have brushed out the waves once achieved but merely patted them gently to lie against her head. Judging by her wedding photos she did not change her hair style after the early1920s and kept it short. Weird to hear the sea weed called Moss but presumably Carrageen is too difficult for people in the US ,where it is eaten daily in ice cream and sweetmeats all unbeknown, to say.
Yeah it was *a lot* nicer than the sea moss - the smell, the texture, the hold - all of it. I would definitely try it again! (I'm also thinking maybe do a massive product test of natural hair gels - like quince vs. flax seed vs. ???(i really don't want to do the sea moss again...lol)
Ooh I remember a tasting history video where the recipe says a pint but he explains that a pint there isn't the same as our pint, so maybe there's something there? This was very entertaining nonetheless, I love the diy recipe videos!
that sounds familiar - plus with how wacky our units of measure are -is it US pint? Uk pint? Liquid oz? Weighed oz? choas everywhere..but I like the chaos...makes it fun lol
@@johannayaffe2647 but more than that, there's also a french pint and the amount has changed throughout history because the size of a gallon used to be different. I don't remember which video it was but the whole thing's pretty interesting. Thank god for the metric system lmao
I recently started a beauty education channel, and you and your RUclipsr friends are such an inspiration!!! Thank you for all your historical knowledge and research!!! 😘👌🏻
As a phycologist (i.e. big seaweed nerd) I always get so excited when people use seaweed for various things. And also I can absolutely imagine just how gross it is, because I would be the same way 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oooh I want to try these now! I have a photo of my great-grandmother from the announcement of her departure from teaching at Brown University and her hair is in a similar style. Now I want to recreate that photo :D Thanks for sharing, Abby!
I used to have a friend who had a quince tree in her backyard. She gave some fruit for canning in exchange for a couple of the jars. That jelly set up hard--no need for extra pectin. I'm not surprised the seeds worked so well. Great video!
Oh Abby, this reminds me of when I was about 14 and I have always been an experimenter. We had a natural formula book has all sorts of things but had a beauty section and there was a recipe for Irish moss setting lotion. I obviously didn't get the right thing because I got some sort of powdered seaweed and mixed it right into the liquid so it couldn't be strained out. It was this awful army green goo and me being the person that I am, I had to try it anyway. It left all this residue stuck to my hair because of the powdery texture and it took forever to wash it out.
I have never gotten up the nerve to get an actual marcel iron, but can get a very similar look using a curling rod (1/2" will give you a nice tight wave). I use Sam Villa's Hollywood waves technique...when you wrap the curls, you flip your wrist for each half turn (so one side of each rotation is flat, and one side has a twist), so it forms the S shape for you. It's also super helpful to prep freshly washed hair with mousse (like Motions wrap lotion) prior to drying.
also look up quince jelly, quince paste and toffee quince recipes. And they are absolute bastards to cut through, peel and core, so any recipe that means you can chunk them and then sieve out the seeds and peels is good!
@@asilverfoxintasmania9940 I'll definitely do that! I'm hoping to beat the deer to most of them this year. We also have pawpaws (not papaya, the other pawpaw) that I've been harvesting out of the woods in our backyard.
My friend makes her Mum’s quince paste recipe every year to serve with cheese. Usually bubbles away all day on the stove but this year used her Thermomix. Quick and she didn’t have to keep watching and stirring. Strain through muslin or a new Chux kitchen cloth. Be patient and leave it to drip. My Mum used to make crab apple jelly in similar way.
Love how Abby uses it as an example of a “ local news network, like a DIY show” when it is actually one of our BIG TV channels here in Aus ( ‘ cos we only really have 5 networks anyway!)
This hair gel looks interesting, especially the quince one. When I grew up we used dipity do. Also wanted to let you know that I love your new house! I am jonesing on your kitchen, master bedroom and living room. Also wish I had your basement space! I hope you have a great time on your upcoming trip and I wish you joy!
Super jealous of all y’all’s upcoming trip! I also fell into the Marcel wave hairstyle rabbit hole when I was in my early 20s. I tried my hardest to replicate the look but was not successful. Maybe I’ll try this method with the back-and-forth hair weaving, not the OG hair gel‘s, and see if I can get it right. I remember I once did rag curls and that took several washes for my hair to relax out of that hot mess. I think my favorite of all the wet sets I’ve tried is pin curls. It was a massive pain to put them in but my hair looked great the next day.
I've been making flaxseed gel for hair for about 4 months now and wish I would've started sooner its cheaper and works better for waves and styling techniques than other gels I've bought
I have made flax seed gel and the first time it was amazing--my curls were bouncy and soft! I can't replicate the same consistency on my latter gel batches. Any tips for how long to cook?
@@ellejay4497 I honestly start with ten mins but I mostly just wait til it starts to get a sorta slimey consistency. I've not perfected yet myself I've had two good batches and an just okay batch. But I've watched lots of RUclips videos of others to help get an idea of how long and what the end result is.
I picked a great random video to put on while wet setting my hair 😂 I’ve never heard of the quince seed setting gel but it seems really similar to flaxseed gel which people seem to like. I always love you antique hair and makeup experimentation videos! Thanks for another fantastic one, and looking forward to that hair tutorial content ! :)
In cosmetology school (this was over 17 years ago-so some things may have changed in the curriculum) They taught us “finger waves”. On wet hair you add gel. The then comb the hair in a fluid “s” pattern using your fingers as a guide - all over the scalp. The long ends would then be curled up into small O’s essentially and gently pinned at the base. The client would the be put under heat for quite a while until the hair had dried. Gel caused it to take quite a bit longer. After it’s dried the hair is brushed out, and you’d have that classic look. The results were beautiful. But, it is a process, and it would be incredibly difficult to do on yourself.
I think I’ll stick to my pomade and powder, although the quince seed sounds like something I’d try… I love how RUclips ads think I need hair products after watching your videos- every other ad was haircare!
I'm curious if there's any historical evidence of flaxseed gel for this considering it's a pretty common diy gel nowadays and it's rather effective. Also adds protein which is nice.
Anecdotally, my grandmother used to set other girls hair in finger waves for "pin money" when she was young in the late 20s and early 30s with flaxseed gel.
Thank you for trying these recipes for us Abby! I'm sorry they added to your stress so I really wanted to make sure I said thank you for your hard work & refusal to give into the stress causing you to just abandon this video idea all together. (I could easily understand & not be upset if you had but I'm definitely very glad you didn't!)
I use a (store-bought, thank you Camille Rose and curly girls everywhere) marshmallow (as in the plant that marshmallows are named for, even tho they now use animal gelatin in the mass produced version) gel, and it is AMAZING. Anyway, it looks JUST like the quince gel you made.
I noticed you referred to marcel waves as the "more technical" term for finger waves early in the video, which based on the research I've done into early 30's hairstyling isn't exactly correct. While "marcel waves" do refer to the kinds of hair waving you describe in the video, "finger waves" also exist as their own, separate waving method. Finger waves could only be done on permed, naturally curly, wet/dry set, or naturally wavy hair, as they don't utilize any heat based curling/waving methods, but rather revolve around brushing out curls into a wave. I've been using a curl set recipe from Beauty's Question and Answer Dictionary (1931) for a few months now to do this, and it's the only way I've found to get the waves-ending-in-curls elements that show up in a lot of early 30s hairstyles. In addition, one of the things the sources I've found talk about as being crucial to a wet set is having absolutely no grease. I was struggling to find success in my historical hairstyling for a long time until I stopped using conditioner, at which point my sets lasted better, longer, and my hair didn't get as greasy, as that oil prevents the hair from properly absorbing the setting solution/gel.
This is really interesting to me! I've recently started doing conditioner before shampoo because I noticed the natural wave in my hair seemed to form better after I forgot to condition or use product one day.
I think the recipe experiments are some of my favorite videos! Though I have to admit, I had no idea that’s how gel-like hair products are supposed to be used! Actually, now that I think about it, I don’t know how to use just about any hair product… which is probably why I wear mine in a ponytail 99.9% of the time! 🤷🏻♀️ Also, I didn’t know quince was a real fruit! The first and only time I’ve heard about it was in a fantasy novel and just assumed it was made up!
There's other plants with slippery thickening properties which might work for hair. Okra makes water thick and slippery. Egyptians also make a soup called Mulheya (spelling maybe off) which is so thick and viscous like okra x10. I think it's jute leaves. Maybe worth experimenting.
I still love pomade, smells great and leaves my hair so soft. I wonder if it would work on the Marcel. Be grateful for for your lovely hair. Mine would be white with out my hairdresser maintaining my natural red.
I managed to break a saucepan for the first time in my life a few weeks ago. I’ve been so impressed with myself I’ve shown all my friends! Thought that was gonna be you Abby wit the moss situation.
I once tried to make body cream using seaweed in my kitchen … hard getting past the stinky gloop phase and forgetting it to such a degree you like the end product.
16:44 omg that is literally how I feel right now. Like yes I absolutely love pumpkin season but it’s coming too quick, just let me catch up! Let me be ready. I’m not ready. 😖😅💙✨
I remember having curlers that were the U shape with a chip at the end. After searching they were called Perm for a Day. Wish I knew where they were. It was a 90s kids thing.
Remember what bernadette figured out about those "pints", the mesuring unit "back then" was definitely. And also find out if your resapi is American or English since there is a difference in those to.
I have a question. Do you think we should keep marcel waves and finger waves separate? In my mind, they are two different styles. Marcel waves are set by either heat or gel with special hair clips. Meanwhile, finger waves are made by covering the hair in gel or foam and shaping it by hand with a comb. There is also an argument to be made with marcel waves being more compatible with longer (chin length and more) hair opposed finger waves for pixie cuts.
You might try not brushing your hair but using a pick or very wide comb. With curly hair, brushing makes frizz on a dry day add humidity and "put your finger in the electrical socket" frizz happens. The set will last longer too! Good luck and Happy sails!
Not related to the content but the new set, I think that window would look really beautiful being backlit with a soft warm light to give it a glow and create more depth in your shot.
Marcel waves are created with Marcel irons ( forerunners to curling tongs ) on dry hair. Finger waves are used as the name suggests are made on wet hair using the fingers. Sorry being a hairdresser had to learn to do both whilst training!!
I talked about that in the beginning - that marcel waves are usually a heat set, but for what I need I need a wet set. If you watch the whole video you’ll see what I end up doing to make it work
Old gal here. My mother and grandmother were wet set queens. My grandmother was a ‘beauty operator’ back in the Marcel wave days. Both of them would dip the comb in whatever gel and comb that sopped comb through wet hair as the starting place (pre-set). This is not the mousse we all know how to use.
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The quince gel looks really similar to flax seed gel. It get nice and gelatinous when you boil it and is great for nourishing hair too. The shine from the quince gel is really nice too. Love the experiments.
Gelatinous... Now there's a word you don't hear everyday lol 😉
It reminded me of chia seed gel, too.
I was thinking the same, I think flax seed gel is still often used by the curly girl community
@@eringerow2990 it is! I use it everyday!!!
It's called mucilage, and several seeds do it. Seaweed has it too. Great stuff.
"When do you add the alcohol?"
That's for drinking after you've had to deal with the moss.
As a Japanese person, I'm guessing the sea moss is close to what we use in Japanese confectionery. What we use is a group of sea weeds we collectively call tengusa 天草, and they are used to produce jellies like tokoro-ten 心太 or kan-ten 寒天.
As an Irish person, because I have dual citizenship, I think I recognize that moss from when I was swimming around in the Irish sea for my water safety certificate.
Yet, I have no idea what that sea weed is actually called, so I count this as a failure on my part. I must learn more about the flora and fauna of Ireland.
Irish Sea Moss is a species of red algae found in the North Atlantic between Britain and North America and over half of it is the polysaccharide carrageenan. A different polysaccharide, agarose extracted from ogonori and tengusa red algae produce the gelatin you're referring to, Agar Agar (because there is also a trace of another polysacc, agaropectin present).
@@tjs114 Thanks a million! I vaguely remember seeing the words agar agar somewhere, maybe on the back of food packaging, and now thanks to you, I know what it means. Thanks!
I've only known Irish Moss as the horrible drink you can buy in Jamaican shops! I'll have to look again at it.
Curly girl here - LUS Brands makes a modern Sea Moss Gel and it is the bomb! Definitely protects against the humidity and holds the curl. In case you want an easy travel hack instead. 😉 This was really educational!
Thanks for the lead
Love that stuff!
Max Miller: “I make historical recipes.”
Abby Cox: “Hold my Marcel Waves.”
ok but I love Max's channel... the titanic series? *chef's kiss*
Omg yes. He's fantastic.
I’m trying to think of what a collab might look like ☺️
@@DolceSuono9 Abby on Wardrobe, Max on cooking. Most Awesome dinner party Ever.
Yes can we PLEASE get a collab between Max and the Medici Time Travel Society!
Speaking as someone with about 2 decades of experience with indiana weather+humidity I have to recommend using hard hold hair gels designed for curly hair if you want any semblance of hold and frizz fighting. Once the gel has fully set you can use a silicone containing hair oil or serum to break some of the crunchiness. If you really need your hair to stay then add some hairspray on top of it. The other biggest difference is making sure your hair is 100% dry before you exit your home or break the gel cast.
On an unrelated note, since you've mentioned that you're near bloomington in some of your other videos you should check out the community orchard sometime this summer or fall. Any food that grows there is free for anyone to take (mostly people just pick a few things to snack on while they are there or after volunteering) and some of the things they grow are pretty unique. I used to volunteer there when I was at IU and I genuinely think it is one of my favorite places on the planet.
Seconding the recommendation for wavy/curly hair hard hold gels! Flax seed gel is a good pick if one wants a product accurate for the time period, but otherwise, Kinky Curly Curling Custard (for softness and shine) or the Aussie Freeze Gel plus hairspray would be my choice. Nothing more frustrating than to put time into a wet set only for it to be destroyed right away in humidity...!
You could try putting the solution in a tall glass and dipping your comb in it each time you prepare a section to curl. My mother did it that way when she used stale beer to set my hair. Stale beer must have been the setting gel of the Thirties and Forties.
The dried sea moss kind of looks like candied ginger or sour gummies, and the weird toddler portion of my brain wants to eat it.
Also, Abby, I am sorry you are so stressed right now. I hope things work out okay and remember, you're going to have an awesome time with your friends, regardless of if you finish every project on your list or not.
Seeing you struggle with the sea moss was adorable. I'm Guyanese and my dad would make Irish moss shake all of the time in my childhood (like a delicious spiced milkshake) that he learned from a Jamaican colleague. You should look it up, it's very yummy.
You should look into the gel they use for jingju in China. It's made from tree bark and smells (I think) like forresty goodness. And it HOLDS. I put curls on girls who were backflipping and fighting all whilst singing opera and they didn't budge. It's also super fun to play with.
I am way too much of a coward to try out historical recipes for beauty stuff so these videos are always very fun to watch! Mad respect to you for having the courage to try all these things
I got immediately sidetracked when you talked about heat set.
My grandmother still owns a couple of Marcel irons and used it to set her curls when her hair was permed back in the late 90s. There is definitely a technique to them that didn't pass on to later generations
I also wonder if the alcohol would have helped break down the moss better while cooking.
I put some moss in the alcohol as a control and it did NOTHING to the moss (cause I had the same thought)
In cosmetology school they still teach traditional Marcel iron usage (which is terrifying), as well as wet setting finger waves. At least in CA, where it’s a part of the state board to do finger waves. Very fun, if messy and time consuming.
My mother has a full set of Marcel curling irons and heat tools, including a little oven for them. She prefers them. She made sure I knew how to use them, I prefer electric spring hinge heat tools or curling wands.
Carageenan is actually fantastic, i work with it all the time. It's usually sold as a fine powder and is added to all sorts of things as a thickening agent, like cat food and ice cream. Its also the go-to for marblers, which is what I use it for, because it's so much cheaper then gum arabic and works way better then plain water. My cat also loves it, when I have a clean batch it's a fight to stop her from drinking it
Irish sea moss or carrageenan or carageen moss is actually really cool. It's great of you have a cough you can soak the moss in warm water and a spoonful in any drink helps the cough. It's also really nutritional and a natural thickening agent
you could not pay me to drink this stuff. it smells like wet laundry that's been left in the washing machine over night 🤢
😹 only a spoonful in like tea or cordial and you can't taste it. My friends make this face 😑 but it works.
I have an old friend that sells it and you'd be surprised how many jars he has sold lol not my cup of tea tho 😏
I didn't know you could buy dried Irish Moss! Years ago I was given a recipe for Irish Moss Pudding by a friend (after I'd tasted it and Raved about how delicious it was). I called for 2 C (1 pint) half & half, scalded and then placed in a double boiler, 1 small handful of dried moss, rinsed (hers was harvested fresh and dried at home). This was only cooked for 10 minutes in the double boiler, then 1/3 C sugar stirred til melted. Remove from heat and add 1 tsp vanilla. This sets up stiff enough to actually cut with a spoon. It is delicious. I haven't made it in years because the New England beaches don't get Irish Moss washed up on shore anymore. If I recall, there was the faintest whiff of "ocean" when it was first rinsed, but because it was immediately put into cream that smell was gone.
The finger wave and pin curl gel I used in cosmetology school in 1973 had the texture of half set jello, the more you use, the more pronounced the wave ridge and curve. The longest lasting wave set was a combination of clipped waves and pin curls. Love 1920s waves!
The curls in your hair (especially when left open) would be called ‘Kokra’ (Curly) in Bengali and it reminded me of my maternal grandmother. She’d love your curls.
I use flax seed gel with some gelatin and essential oil to encourage my waves to hang around longer, as do many fellow curly girls out there. It looks like snot but works excellent
Not encouraging "looks like snot" (a word not predicted by AI!)
@@kendramcnally1280 Oh it looks like snot and feels like snot. I have a video if you want to see
@@Sekreterare75 Uh, not so much?
Im trying to find a dupe for the intercellular hair polisher styling gel, is this similar?
@@AmazingRebel23 I don't know, I'm not familiar with that product
Quince really makes sense, since it has SO much pectin naturally. In my part of the world we make a sort of quince jelly/paste that can get SO thick and gummy you have to chew it, and scrape it off a spoon with your teeth because it doesn't run off like a normal jam. So yeah, yay for pectin!
Besides Quince Seeds and Irish Sea Moss, Poucher’s Perfumes, Cosmetics, and Soaps vol 3 (1923) in Setting Lotions also mentions psyllium seeds (that is smooth Metamucil or health food stores have the seeds for baking purposes as an alternative to flour which I saw used in a Great British Bake-Off episode). In the preparation of mucilage section it gives only “hot decoction for ten minutes is sufficient followed by straining and cooling” for psyllium and quince seeds. “Irish Moss is infused cold for a few hours after being freed of extraneous matter by washing”
I cannot express the amount of life you’ve brought to my perspective of historical fashion and people throughout history. I’ve always viewed history in a very flat way but since watching your videos (and Karolina’s) you’ve brought a whole new, fresh idea of what people from the past lived like, probably felt like, and the ways their fashion made them feel confident in the same ways modern clothing makes us feel today!
If you haven’t seen them already could I recommend:
Tasting history…..Max plus food history, epic.
Nicole Rudolph, I’m so jealous of her practical skills. Just wow.
the Welsh Viking channel. Jimmy is an archaeology phd student who is great fun to listen to on a number of topics going back even further.
Engineering knits. My mind is boggled every time.
Retro Claud. Lace knitting should be banned, fairly certain it was invented to torture.
Sage lileman, who looks at mid 20th century living.
All brilliant. And there are many more.
I’m assuming you are already on the Bernadette Banner bandwagon with the rest of us!
Glad Chrissy was able to talk you into keeping going. I enjoyed watching this and I got some of the most genuine laughter I’ve had in months that wasn’t from interacting with a animal from the references and what you bring to every video.
If you boil the quince gel with sugar you get a wonderfull jam 🥰 add it to bread or sponge cake and get a great breakfast.
As for seaweed, I've eaten a sprecies of them in the Azores, directly from the sea to the pan, it was a nice part of the meal.
Would the quince seeds not contain cyanide?
@@MinaF99 I belive that it is only the apples, but you don't eat the seeds only boil the seeds and the skins to extract the gel that is glued to them, then remove the skins and seeds before adding the sugar.
If there is any cyanide I must be imune to it, that is my favourit jam after the pumpkin one, I've eaten loads of it since I can remember.
ask me a few years ago and I'd be grossed out with you about the moss- but since then I have started working with my dad to make a bonsai nursery and crimbly-bimbly-looks-crunchy-but-its-actually-kinda-like-a-stiff-foam-that-has-gone-stale moss is as normal as dirt and water to me. It gets in my hair sometimes. Who knew it was really just free period hair care. what a job perk!
I’m with you, Abby. It’s not pumpkin season or Halloween yet. It’s still summer. Hang in there, girl! You got this!
Seeing a news segment from my home state honestly made me so happy
So glad to see you again abby
As a teen, I was obsessed with finger waves and experimented in different ways (and gels) to achieve this look. It was so validating to hear you say it's hard to do on yourself!! Thanks for your videos!
Quince is such an amazing fruit. It tastes great, it's got a lot of vitamin c and can be used in soo many things. I'm really happy to see it works as a hair gel too :D
Yeah I find with my hair I normally have the leave it to dry for three days (I have thick hair though and I think it's quite porous) and the last day it feels like it's dry but it's never completely dry when I start taking it out and it goes frizzy but if I give it the extra day it's completely dry and then it's super silky and it looks like I've heat styled the curls and they last for well over a week and go really nice and wavey as the curls slowly fall out. Although I don't use these particular rollers or any like styling products. But yeah I think maybe just give it a bit longer to dry. Especially if the curl is there at the beginning but falls out really quickly.
would love to see a video about what they valued in beauty back then and also like what someones usual hair routine would be!!!
I've been digging into 1910s (1915-1919) makeup and beauty routines for another video (similar to the edwardian makeup tutorial I did a while ago) - lots of fun stuff happening in this era!
@@AbbyCox woohoo!!
I can remember my great aunts hair style and am certain that she would never have brushed out the waves once achieved but merely patted them gently to lie against her head. Judging by her wedding photos she did not change her hair style after the early1920s and kept it short. Weird to hear the sea weed called Moss but presumably Carrageen is too difficult for people in the US ,where it is eaten daily in ice cream and sweetmeats all unbeknown, to say.
Quince gel hair looks really nice.
Yeah it was *a lot* nicer than the sea moss - the smell, the texture, the hold - all of it. I would definitely try it again! (I'm also thinking maybe do a massive product test of natural hair gels - like quince vs. flax seed vs. ???(i really don't want to do the sea moss again...lol)
Ooh I remember a tasting history video where the recipe says a pint but he explains that a pint there isn't the same as our pint, so maybe there's something there? This was very entertaining nonetheless, I love the diy recipe videos!
that sounds familiar - plus with how wacky our units of measure are -is it US pint? Uk pint? Liquid oz? Weighed oz? choas everywhere..but I like the chaos...makes it fun lol
@@AbbyCox talk to bernedett, she has even mad that a crucial in her historic hair things videos. She also explains the difference in the "pints".
@@emmysworld2624 yes UK pints are 20 fl oz, and US pints are 16 fl oz...
@@johannayaffe2647 but more than that, there's also a french pint and the amount has changed throughout history because the size of a gallon used to be different. I don't remember which video it was but the whole thing's pretty interesting. Thank god for the metric system lmao
You know it’s going to be good when the video is about recreating a historical recipe. Hope you enjoy Scotland, and that the weather isn’t too rubbish
I recently started a beauty education channel, and you and your RUclipsr friends are such an inspiration!!! Thank you for all your historical knowledge and research!!! 😘👌🏻
As a phycologist (i.e. big seaweed nerd) I always get so excited when people use seaweed for various things. And also I can absolutely imagine just how gross it is, because I would be the same way 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oooh I want to try these now! I have a photo of my great-grandmother from the announcement of her departure from teaching at Brown University and her hair is in a similar style. Now I want to recreate that photo :D Thanks for sharing, Abby!
I used to have a friend who had a quince tree in her backyard. She gave some fruit for canning in exchange for a couple of the jars. That jelly set up hard--no need for extra pectin. I'm not surprised the seeds worked so well. Great video!
Love historical recipes! Both food and crafting. I'd love to see more of this. You should make it a weekly series!
Oh Abby, this reminds me of when I was about 14 and I have always been an experimenter. We had a natural formula book has all sorts of things but had a beauty section and there was a recipe for Irish moss setting lotion. I obviously didn't get the right thing because I got some sort of powdered seaweed and mixed it right into the liquid so it couldn't be strained out. It was this awful army green goo and me being the person that I am, I had to try it anyway. It left all this residue stuck to my hair because of the powdery texture and it took forever to wash it out.
I have never gotten up the nerve to get an actual marcel iron, but can get a very similar look using a curling rod (1/2" will give you a nice tight wave). I use Sam Villa's Hollywood waves technique...when you wrap the curls, you flip your wrist for each half turn (so one side of each rotation is flat, and one side has a twist), so it forms the S shape for you. It's also super helpful to prep freshly washed hair with mousse (like Motions wrap lotion) prior to drying.
6:39 I love this song and LIVING for the fact that it’s used as a reference.
Omg this is exciting! The Internet’s Cool Elder Sister feat. Funky Glasses back to make our Sundays better!
**immediately eyes the inherited quince tree in yard that she finally IDed last Fall**
also look up quince jelly, quince paste and toffee quince recipes. And they are absolute bastards to cut through, peel and core, so any recipe that means you can chunk them and then sieve out the seeds and peels is good!
@@asilverfoxintasmania9940 I'll definitely do that! I'm hoping to beat the deer to most of them this year. We also have pawpaws (not papaya, the other pawpaw) that I've been harvesting out of the woods in our backyard.
My friend makes her Mum’s quince paste recipe every year to serve with cheese. Usually bubbles away all day on the stove but this year used her Thermomix. Quick and she didn’t have to keep watching and stirring. Strain through muslin or a new Chux kitchen cloth. Be patient and leave it to drip. My Mum used to make crab apple jelly in similar way.
Things I did not expect to see on your channel: Aussie Today show shenanigans. But it's just so ridiculously perfect.
Love how Abby uses it as an example of a “ local news network, like a DIY show” when it is actually one of our BIG TV channels here in Aus ( ‘ cos we only really have 5 networks anyway!)
This hair gel looks interesting, especially the quince one. When I grew up we used dipity do.
Also wanted to let you know that I love your new house! I am jonesing on your kitchen, master bedroom and living room. Also wish I had your basement space!
I hope you have a great time on your upcoming trip and I wish you joy!
Super jealous of all y’all’s upcoming trip!
I also fell into the Marcel wave hairstyle rabbit hole when I was in my early 20s. I tried my hardest to replicate the look but was not successful. Maybe I’ll try this method with the back-and-forth hair weaving, not the OG hair gel‘s, and see if I can get it right.
I remember I once did rag curls and that took several washes for my hair to relax out of that hot mess.
I think my favorite of all the wet sets I’ve tried is pin curls. It was a massive pain to put them in but my hair looked great the next day.
I've been making flaxseed gel for hair for about 4 months now and wish I would've started sooner its cheaper and works better for waves and styling techniques than other gels I've bought
I wanna test quince vs flax seed gel - everyone who uses flax raves about it
I have made flax seed gel and the first time it was amazing--my curls were bouncy and soft! I can't replicate the same consistency on my latter gel batches. Any tips for how long to cook?
@@ellejay4497 I honestly start with ten mins but I mostly just wait til it starts to get a sorta slimey consistency. I've not perfected yet myself I've had two good batches and an just okay batch. But I've watched lots of RUclips videos of others to help get an idea of how long and what the end result is.
I picked a great random video to put on while wet setting my hair 😂
I’ve never heard of the quince seed setting gel but it seems really similar to flaxseed gel which people seem to like.
I always love you antique hair and makeup experimentation videos! Thanks for another fantastic one, and looking forward to that hair tutorial content ! :)
‘The Princess Diaries’ Reference? Yay! Also, we should be happy you didn’t break Paolo’s brush.
Omg I always wanted to try that quince seed jell recipe. Quince one of my favourite fruit so I was super intrigued from the moment I first saw it!
I love a good "Mad Science " episode. The quince seed jell looked really good.
The same gelatinous texture can be gotten from Dorsey/Irish moss!!
In cosmetology school (this was over 17 years ago-so some things may have changed in the curriculum) They taught us “finger waves”. On wet hair you add gel. The then comb the hair in a fluid “s” pattern using your fingers as a guide - all over the scalp. The long ends would then be curled up into small O’s essentially and gently pinned at the base. The client would the be put under heat for quite a while until the hair had dried. Gel caused it to take quite a bit longer. After it’s dried the hair is brushed out, and you’d have that classic look. The results were beautiful. But, it is a process, and it would be incredibly difficult to do on yourself.
So interesting to see the Sea Moss recipe - my favorite curl brand (LUS) actually makes an Irish Sea Moss curl gel still today!
I think I’ll stick to my pomade and powder, although the quince seed sounds like something I’d try… I love how RUclips ads think I need hair products after watching your videos- every other ad was haircare!
The faces you made while setting your hair are absolutely fantastic! 🤣
This was awesome. My granddad wore finger waves for as long he was alive. This makes me want to try quince seed gel or flax seed gel. ♥️
I feel you on that countdown panic. Same here Abby!
I'm curious if there's any historical evidence of flaxseed gel for this considering it's a pretty common diy gel nowadays and it's rather effective. Also adds protein which is nice.
Anecdotally, my grandmother used to set other girls hair in finger waves for "pin money" when she was young in the late 20s and early 30s with flaxseed gel.
My understanding is that flaxseed gel is been used at least since the medieval period, probably much earlier too though
Thank you for trying these recipes for us Abby! I'm sorry they added to your stress so I really wanted to make sure I said thank you for your hard work & refusal to give into the stress causing you to just abandon this video idea all together. (I could easily understand & not be upset if you had but I'm definitely very glad you didn't!)
I use a (store-bought, thank you Camille Rose and curly girls everywhere) marshmallow (as in the plant that marshmallows are named for, even tho they now use animal gelatin in the mass produced version) gel, and it is AMAZING.
Anyway, it looks JUST like the quince gel you made.
I noticed you referred to marcel waves as the "more technical" term for finger waves early in the video, which based on the research I've done into early 30's hairstyling isn't exactly correct. While "marcel waves" do refer to the kinds of hair waving you describe in the video, "finger waves" also exist as their own, separate waving method. Finger waves could only be done on permed, naturally curly, wet/dry set, or naturally wavy hair, as they don't utilize any heat based curling/waving methods, but rather revolve around brushing out curls into a wave. I've been using a curl set recipe from Beauty's Question and Answer Dictionary (1931) for a few months now to do this, and it's the only way I've found to get the waves-ending-in-curls elements that show up in a lot of early 30s hairstyles. In addition, one of the things the sources I've found talk about as being crucial to a wet set is having absolutely no grease. I was struggling to find success in my historical hairstyling for a long time until I stopped using conditioner, at which point my sets lasted better, longer, and my hair didn't get as greasy, as that oil prevents the hair from properly absorbing the setting solution/gel.
This is really interesting to me! I've recently started doing conditioner before shampoo because I noticed the natural wave in my hair seemed to form better after I forgot to condition or use product one day.
Thank you! I'm excited to try the quince recipe.
I think the recipe experiments are some of my favorite videos! Though I have to admit, I had no idea that’s how gel-like hair products are supposed to be used! Actually, now that I think about it, I don’t know how to use just about any hair product… which is probably why I wear mine in a ponytail 99.9% of the time! 🤷🏻♀️
Also, I didn’t know quince was a real fruit! The first and only time I’ve heard about it was in a fantasy novel and just assumed it was made up!
Ok, just when I was recovering from the brilliant ‘One Direction’ Reference, you add the most iconic Dolly Parton Reference. Bien joué!
Dear Abby, I’m so sick at the moment and you made me giggle! There might have been some symathy tears at the end. I love your channel, great job!!
There's other plants with slippery thickening properties which might work for hair. Okra makes water thick and slippery. Egyptians also make a soup called Mulheya (spelling maybe off) which is so thick and viscous like okra x10. I think it's jute leaves. Maybe worth experimenting.
I still love pomade, smells great and leaves my hair so soft. I wonder if it would work on the Marcel.
Be grateful for for your lovely hair. Mine would be white with out my hairdresser maintaining my natural red.
15:13 OMG it looks so cool! It’s giving 1910s Protagonist/Mary Poppins.
I have that same dryer hood!
12:33 Absolutely fabulous!
You're coming to Scotland?! I hope my home meets all your expectations and more.
I managed to break a saucepan for the first time in my life a few weeks ago. I’ve been so impressed with myself I’ve shown all my friends! Thought that was gonna be you Abby wit the moss situation.
To venture a guess, the Carrageen gel didn't work because there was no alcohol in it. The alcohol would decrease the evaporation time.
But she did add the alcohol to it.
was NOT expecting the immediate cut to today *is shook in Australian*
I once tried to make body cream using seaweed in my kitchen … hard getting past the stinky gloop phase and forgetting it to such a degree you like the end product.
16:44 omg that is literally how I feel right now. Like yes I absolutely love pumpkin season but it’s coming too quick, just let me catch up! Let me be ready. I’m not ready. 😖😅💙✨
I remember having curlers that were the U shape with a chip at the end. After searching they were called Perm for a Day. Wish I knew where they were. It was a 90s kids thing.
You have the best job.
Remember what bernadette figured out about those "pints", the mesuring unit "back then" was definitely. And also find out if your resapi is American or English since there is a difference in those to.
Thank you for sharing!
I have a question. Do you think we should keep marcel waves and finger waves separate? In my mind, they are two different styles. Marcel waves are set by either heat or gel with special hair clips. Meanwhile, finger waves are made by covering the hair in gel or foam and shaping it by hand with a comb. There is also an argument to be made with marcel waves being more compatible with longer (chin length and more) hair opposed finger waves for pixie cuts.
You might try not brushing your hair but using a pick or very wide comb. With curly hair, brushing makes frizz on a dry day add humidity and "put your finger in the electrical socket" frizz happens. The set will last longer too! Good luck and Happy sails!
Wow! Very cool experiment, I'm tempted to try the quince seed gel.
this is so awesome, and i hope you're okay! You'll get it done in time!
Another good alternative, one that doesn't need heat, is flax seed. just soak a cup of it or so in an equal amount of water until it's jelled.
I’m literally ordering curling rods right now. I don’t dress in historical dress but the marcel waves are just gorgeous imo. Thank you so much!!
Those aren’t grey hairs, they’re wisdom highlights. Wear them with pride.
They're also awesome if you want to dye your hair unnatural colours without bleaching. I do mine purple, and my mom does blue.
Purple Wisdom Highlights gang
I like to refer to them as wisdom tinsel.
@@mmegraham magical silver sparkles in this house. Lol
I'm gonna try that quince!
Also the last couple of seconds: THIS! I need it to be july for my mental health too. Love autumn vibes but I need them to be faaaar away
Love the video!! Very informative!
Not related to the content but the new set, I think that window would look really beautiful being backlit with a soft warm light to give it a glow and create more depth in your shot.
Marcel waves are created with Marcel irons ( forerunners to curling tongs ) on dry hair. Finger waves are used as the name suggests are made on wet hair using the fingers. Sorry being a hairdresser had to learn to do both whilst training!!
I talked about that in the beginning - that marcel waves are usually a heat set, but for what I need I need a wet set. If you watch the whole video you’ll see what I end up doing to make it work
I won't be trying this at home, but thanks for taking one for the team.
The last one with the hair clips is 100 times better than the first one.
xoxo's Sandie😊
My hair curls really pretty when its super humid. I feel terrible but my hair has lil ringlets in it.
Old gal here. My mother and grandmother were wet set queens. My grandmother was a ‘beauty operator’ back in the Marcel wave days. Both of them would dip the comb in whatever gel and comb that sopped comb through wet hair as the starting place (pre-set). This is not the mousse we all know how to use.
As a now extremely excited Scottish viewer - which part of Scotland are you coming to? 🤗🥰