I also have Pro 3 and GM and I quite easily replicate GM sounds on Pro 3. The key is to have a ladder filter selected without the compensation which makes it to behave identical to GM. Its important to tune all oscillators volumes at half volume or even less otherwise ladder filter is easily overdriven and gives you that crunchiness. While the Pro 3 can sound like GM, the GM is unmatched in the speed of workflow. Somehow having less features and having knob per function makes you dial in needed sounds much quicker! I know GM inside out, I can create any sound with it with my eyes closed and that's what makes it great.
I tried replicating sounds from this video on Opsix and it was almost perfect match even on filter. It is funny because Opsix is FM synthesizer that costs 1/2 MG and 1/4 Pro3
Sorry but no point comparing these synths. If you want an ultra simple, sawtooth, house music Moog bass like in your video, then yeh sure use a Moog. If you want a world of complex sound design and sequencing possibilities, use the pro 3.
Yeah, not hard to choose at all. If all you want is that one "Grandmother" sound, why even bother with Pro 3!? If not, Pro 3 is even easier choice to make, it's vastly more versatile and convenient.
I have the Grandmother, the first two I was sent by the supplier were damaged and faulty upon delivery, like serious, obvious issues. The third one they sent was fine for about 2-3 months, then the cutoff knob started rustling, - probably loose carbon in the potentiometer, - I wouldn't have minded but I'd hardly used the synth, and then Moog told me "Knob Usage" issues are not covered by the guarantee. Still, I use such experiences to tailor my buying choices, and not buying Moog anymore is a great way to save money, IMO. I've owned a lot of Moog over the years, - been buying synthesizers, etc, since the mid 80s, - and although I do love the Moog sound, I have always found Moog gear to be the most likely to fail, or require regular servicing, which is a shame, and considering the retail prices I would have thought they'd sorted out the quality control issues years ago, but apparently not, and it would appear many users of the sub £1000 Moog gear have mentioned similar issues across the internet. Rant over... love to ALL, feel no hate
My grandmother has had a several scratchy pots. The first was for the spring reverb, the next ones were in the mixer, and now my resonance pot is scratching. I have returned 5 (!) Matriarchs for defects / service as well.
My grandmother also developped a scratchy cuttoff and reverb pot, after using her very little... contacted Moog 3 times about it, but didnt get a response back... Their recent build quality and customer service is not what its used to be...
I have a matriarch (along other moog stuff like dfam and sub and Minotaur) and a Peak I bought the Peak cause I was inspired by your videos, Ricky, and I totally love it. It’s my go to synth for everything and it has replaced all my vst (we talked about it sometime on IG) Matriarch is just pure joy. I love creating sound from scratch and getting lost. I love the option of semi modular to make it interact with other stuff. I love throwing on a sequence and just play with parameters. I also love its limitation, like paraphony vs polyphony, which forces me to adapt and roll with it rather than having a pure whiteboard where I can do anything (which can be intimidating and not productive a lot of times). The fact that I’m forced to Record it All the time it’s a feature for me, not a limitation. Finally: that delay is one of the best in the market, in general not just for a synth. It would be a huge pedal on its own I’d only love moog to improve its syncing and sequencing with ext sources cause it’s a pain but I totally love it nevertheless. When I just want to chill, matriarch is what I always turn on
I was thinking about selling my Grandmother for a Pro 3. The Pro 3 sounds really good and I love the modulation capabilities and it’s sequencer. But every time I turned on the Grandmother I couldn’t let it go, it also sounds incredible. Ended up getting a Matriarch to go along with my Grandmother and patch them together which is a lot of fun.
I have also sold the Pro 3. Bad quality materials in fact, the wood in Special Edition is awful. I had the grand mother and the matriarch but I sold them and kept the voyager, sirin and the SE02 from Roland. The only one that I will buy is the Model D reissue that will sell again by Moog at the end of this year
I was so on the fence between choosing between a Moog Matriarch or Sequential Pro 3. But it was the mod matrix that had me choose the Pro 3. The Pro 3 sort of scratches that itch I have to go Eurorack. Both synths are great for a controlling a modular setup. But the Sequencer on the Pro 3 is so much better than what Moog has. When I ordered the Pro 3, I had a Moog Mother 32 on my wish list, just in case I needed that low end. but the Pro 3 impressed me, so I removed the Mother 32 from my wish list. However, the Moog Studio 3 still interests me, so that may end up in my studio some day,
Maybe I missed it, but did you try changing up the filter circuitry on the pro3 by using the ladder filter? It looks like it had 4-pole OTA. Moog uses a ladder. This may make the harmonics a little more on the same playing field.
I think that you're right when you mentioned - it is the mixer that makes also the difference and it saturates. I love my Grandmother and I believe it is one of the most influential synths of the previous decade, but I also want to get Pro 3 too, I think it is one of the greatest inventions of Dave. Nice thoughts you bring there. Cheers!
it is the mixer i did a test with my grandmother moog 😎 You can also Overdrive the filter by Patch the in cable on the cutoff and the Env Amt IN. in the output of the filter You can actually saturate two times on the filter if you have a Multi aux Plug Adapte so you have the total of saturate Overdrive of 3x max
I'm curious why you are using the Prophet 6 filter in the Pro 3 and not the actual ladder-filter? Or did I miss it somewhere in the video? As an owner of a pro 3 I can say it's a super fun synthesizer! I think moog has their own sound and I'm very curious over Pro 3 vs MiniMoog 2022 but seem not to find any video on it :/
my understanding 📻 the magic of the Moog sound in this comparison is even in the pure oscillator sound it already has a subtle, pleasant motion to it 🖤
lmfao I've put my Moog Minitaur which is there desktop version of the Taurus vs . my Pro 3 and the Pro 3 can produce any sound that the Moog produced. One main difference is that the Sequential allow you to go even deeper into the extremes of highs and lows. Moog seems coddled sometimes
Nice work! Thank you! I’d probably keep the Pro 3 and run it through a saturation pedal or something else to fuzzy it up. Just because its so flexible.
Pro 3 actually kicked out moog matriarch out of my setup. Pro 3 offers so much more to me. I still have studio electronics SE3X for some over phat sounds, this thing also smokes every modern moog. I've come all the way from a moog fanboy to a non moog guy)
Had the Pro 3. Sold it and bought the Matriarch. I’m one for sound over features. Pro 3 does offer a lot more bell and whistles.. on top of presets. But that Moog gets raw. Pro 3 lacks sound power imo.
@@2ammusik Moog matriarch is very good at making "moog sound" creamy soft pillowy sounds which many people love of course, but it's just not good at mid punch, usable resonance, sequencing etc. Moogs, unfortunately are always one trick pony and sounds just different compared to pro 3, which is sitting in a mix better to me. I have a lot of moogs starting from voyager, sub phatty, subsequent 37, matriarch, grandmother, subharmonicon.. the only one i kinda miss is 37, it's at least has sub osc and usable compensated resonance which masks the harsh moogish resonance after "12 o'clock" and alows you to get more range of an instrument. But of course it is just my opinion and my personal taste)
@@77advanced I definitely don’t feel that way. The Pro 3 sounded bland to me. Matriarch for the win in my book. Just for more Moog and Presets I have a Subsequent 25.
i sold my Moog GM due to its limitations, but i loved the sound. Got the Pro3 SE (wooden panels) i also have an MFB Dominion 1 that has really beefy oscillators :)
I mean you can't really compare the moog ladder filter with the pro 3's prophet 6 filter as you did here, the prophet 6 is kinda different and more aggressive. But I understand if you didn't want to make a comparison with the same filter type but more of the prophet sound vs moogs ladder. The pro 3 is just a more aggressive synth in general, I use it a lot, I'm a jazz fusion prog metal keys player and it naturally works well for heavy styles and as you said it terms of feature set the pro 3's mod matrix, sequencer and analog distortion is a dream on paper and is more suitable to compare with the matrixbrute. The pro 3 does have that resonance compensation with it's moog-ish ladder filter to keep the bass going for sure. Then there is the OB filter too which sounds very different from the prophet filter and the ladder so I guess it's more flexibility, sound design capabilities and complexity vs tride and true analog beauty. The Moog Grandmother sounds amazing though, such a rich sound!
I think the Moog sound has more to do with the mixer (cp3 based I think) than the filter. But of course it is a combination of all the elements in the signal path.
you can Overdrive the moog grandmother 3x max. two on the filter one the mixer for analog Distortion i did a test on my grandmother and this is very true
Pro 3 has bass resonance compensation. When you turn the resonance up, i does not loose as much low end. Have to say the mid filter position sounds a lot different on the Moog...a lot better to me. Thanks for the video! Pro 3 is still a beast!
@@mastermachetier5594 i guess with the HP filter, right? I saw somebody do that on the MatrixBrute. Using the HP filter resonance to crank up the bottom end. Interesting way to do it.
Why not keep both? I have the Pro3 and I love it. I also have the Moog One 16 and I still keep the Pro3 and the Prophet 6. Something about Analog just sounds so full but the Pro3 fills that itch that I have for heavy crazy sounds.
I think a more apt comparison would be the Matriarch and Pro 3. Grandmother is a ton of fun at first, but the fact that you didn't patch anything seems to be common across its userbase: the semi-modular nature of the grandmother is really not the selling point. There's just really not that much that you can do with the patch points it comes with, and I see most people (including myself) just using it as a presetless mono synth. The Matriarch absolutely set my heart on fire: aftertouch, velocity, paraphony, paraphonic sequencing, stereo modulation, stereo bbd analog delay (sounds INFINITELY cooler than the spring reverb on the GM), 4 oscillators, stereo filtering, and plenty of attenuators. The Matriarch really reigns supreme and still manages to inspire the same patch-from-scratch mentality but with a way more versatility. Grandmother really feels like a stepping stone --- I would get two Matriarchs if I could afford it.
Yeah, Pro 3 vs Grandmother is no contest. The Grandmother is more like a Minibrute 2. Matriarch and Pro 3 have more in common, but are still very different, given that one uses physical patch cables while the other uses virtual patch cables and can save/recall sounds. Moog makes it easier to go from zero to a decent playable sound, but Pro 3 rewards much deeper and more complex designs. Personally, I've found I need patch recall... unless I'm just recording one-shots for drums and stuff. And I don't really need hardware for simple, classic sounds, because I'm using a Force and it's easier to just use a plugin for that sort of thing. So the Moog Mother series isn't for me... but I really enjoy my Pro 3. It does all the crazy stuff I can't get from a softsynth preset.
@@ToyKeeper Pro 3 seems like an absolute blast... I really hope they can design a Pro-4 that has knob-recall... if the synth industry could implement that at an efficient cost, I think people would understand synthesis so much better.
@@tommychampion.mp4 I'm not really expecting a Pro 4 since Dave Smith died. However, for knob recall and learning/understanding synthesis, a Hydrasynth is a good option. It has the signal chain clearly mapped out in an interactive diagram, the knobs show the current values, and it allows routing pretty much anything to anything else. If I hadn't gotten a Pro 3, my other top choice was a Hydra. The choice came down to which one went on a good sale first. And TBH, sometimes I think it may have been a better choice. I really enjoy the Pro 3, but it's not a polysynth, and it's often a bit difficult to fit into a layered mix because it leans so hard toward big, aggressive, full-spectrum tones.
Nice comparison and funny thing is that i never thought I could get a Moog and actually saved up enough for the op-1 But then when it came time to pull the trigger I couldn’t do it. For me it just didn’t see like a good investment. I read the customer service is aweful to teenage engineering and also I was worried that I would actually lose it because it’s so small I did a query as to which synth would he the best for the money I saved and so many folks said the Moog grandmother and then the dark version went on some sale and that was it for me. I love this synth ! I like how you use it with your beats etc. I don’t see too many folks doing that. Sounds great
… what a coincidence. I acquired a Grandmother two days ago! I floated the idea of adding a Pro-3 to my setup, but decided to go a different route. Not only did I want a monosynth, but a semi-modular one as well.
I think if your making samples and arranging them on the computer the grandmother is perfect, or if you want to play it as a pure instrument and create deep relationship with the instrument the GM is also great here. But if you are trying to make a patch and move on, the subsequent 37 is the way to go
People rave about the moog mixer and filter, but I swear there is something about the oscilators that can't be replicated. Tried putting other oscs through the Grandmother mixer+filter and my suspicion is correct
I think the Grandmother is a players synth. Simple soulful and inviting (whatever any of that means lol). The Pro 3 suits a patch designer who does more work on the DAW. To square that circle, if you must, a Subsequent 37 could work for you.
I agree, Moog's just have that special sauce. You can't just throw a ladder filter on something and expect it to sound the same. There is some special magic in there. I've hard angel tears or unicorn hairs or something. I love the Grandmother, but the Matriarch has been next level for me.
Venus Theory made a good point, the filter makes a large the sound of a synth. As an engineer, it just sounds more saturated. Anyone using Ableton Live Suite, go drag saturator onto a sine wave, and start increasing the drive knob. You'll hear the same effect of more harmonics being added, which in turn also increases perceived loudness
You can get the fat bottom end with resonance up by using the lfo as a sine wave oscillator, patch keyboard in to it and patching its output through the mixer or mixed in post filter in the multi.
Hey Ricky, have you ever tried the Matriarch? If you like the Granny that much, I think you would be absolutelt in love with the Matriarch, it’s the best modern Moog in my opinion.
The Matriarch and Pro 3 in unison with seven oscillators and an abundance of fundamentals and features to characterise, the sonic possibilities is endless.
I had a Sub 37 for years but shifted it because I was always bummed out about the filter with resonance up. Apart from that it was the single best synth I'd ever had, it was just a beautiful instrument and you could really see the decades of experience they've got and their commitment to quality. It was super luxury! I am tempted to try the Matriarch just cos for bass I could patch into both filters with the same envelope, but with the resonance off on one of them, so do the 'two Moogs' bass tracking trick they used to do in studios in the '70s, but on one Moog. Or at least I'm hoping you can do that on the Matriarch 😬🤷♂️
This trick i s exactly what I found out on my Matriarch for producing wonderful fat and round basses with resonance. It‘s a shame that the Matriarch has an evil hardware glide bug which the Grandmother fortunately for all owners hasn‘t. It’s impossible to play e. g. the famous Popcorn theme (😂) without a minimal glide on every first note… Greetings from Germany!🇩🇪🤝
Great point about not having presets forcing you to commit to recording something at whatever progress stage you’ve reached. I know my habit is to just save presets, and not write music, because I’m always just ‘collecting,’ *_in preparation_* for doing something great… but that ‘great’ moment never arrives. It just keeps getting pushed back….
Wow, you really nailed the energetics of the stalled creative process. Thank you. Just reading this description of a common trap helps to liberate the pattern.
Pretty much me for the past few years. I keep wanting to get more synths to get that sound I want and a complete package but never record anything. I just need to create with what I have.
@@plantpoweredmuscle I think the majority of us home studio producers do that, I do it too. I've been collecting synths and rearranging my studio, like it is a work of art in itself, for years, and I barely finish a track. 😂
Going straight into the video and doing the ritual intro after is jarring! 😂. Still glad to see it though. Losing bass when raising resonance on the ladder filter is just the nature of the filter design. Question - did you level match these when doing the AB tests? The Moog had more oomph with the raw oscillator but I couldn't tell if it was louder or actually beefier. I don't know if it's possible with the patch points but could you take the second osc out and bypass the filter to keep the bass when raising the reso? (set to something like sine or triangle not sure what waveforms it has).
Just stumbled upon a Demo of the MidiVolts Desktop by Space Brain circuits with the Grandmother and it sounds amazing. Have you considered trying one of those?
wow! thats an AWESOME device. Its kinda what i've been striving for to recreate the Mono/Poly voice cycling thing it does. Similar to the Oberheim Four Voice! Thanks for sharing
Great video. Always wanted to go down the Moog road, just never really have. Definitely got me interested! What is that stand you have on the desktop? It’s a great design.
Are those the Aiaiai wireless headphones? They couldn't reproduce anything with the filters all the way down at @2:30? Do you typically have complaints about their bass response? Was considering picking them up.
I don’t have any complaints I keep the volume low when filming and my hearing is shot in the lows. Listening back to the footage on AIAIAIs I heard the bass :)
I think you might be right about the saturation being the secret sauce. Because, the difference between those two seems to be some throaty, vocal singing in the upper mids, that's just audible through the part closed filter. That makes sense to me, because my Manhattan SVVCF also gives that secret sauce. And I always felt that the Moog CP3 style mixer at the front end, dialed past halfway was a big part of that. If I switch a signal into (orignal version) Ripples or some other nice filter, it sounds lovely, pure liquid, but it doesn't have that same 3D vibe. I highly recommend Manhattan Audio's CP3 style mixer; it's also pretty small and cheap with nice knobs. That Moog-style mixer saturation is an absolutely essential part of my modular chain now. Basimilus, Cloud Terrarium, Generate3 all sound crunchy and larger than life through it.
Awesome video as usual Ricky! Really appreciate your insights. I have recently been offered a trade on my OP1 for a Grandmother. I currently have the Sub Phatty and Minitaur and was wondering what your thoughts are between those and the Grandmother. I love the sound of the Grandmother and the flexibility. But I am just not sure if its worth the trade with already owning two Moogs and if I will be producing the same tones. Any feedback is much appreciated!
I dont have them (yet), but as keyboard player the solution is obvious: polysynth 4-5 octaves need ca. 90 - 110 cm, while pro3 and granny would need 125 cm together, so add both side by side on top of your rig ;-)
With a lot of Sequential synthesizers, they do a good job of being more versatile than their competition, but sometimes lack that "wow" sound right out of the box...It's in there, you just have to tinker around a bit and find it.
@@ChillMode34 Correct...If I ever wanted a Prophet 6 though, I'd just get a Toraiz AS-1. It is essentially a Pro 6 mono synth for $600. OB-6 definitely has a certain character to it, and I think the Pro 2 can get some of that too occasionally but I don't know enough about it. I have a Rev 2, and I like it but not sure I love it yet. Same for the Novation Peak. Both are solid but I'm missing that character synth in the collection. If I could afford it I'd get a Waldorf M.
No easy answer, there are so many variables. For starters, you should be using the Moog inspired ladder filter (middle position) on the Pro3 to emulate Moogs. Then deactivate the Q comp on the second tab of the filter settings. Then play with the OSC levels to get appropriate gain staging, that make a big difference on Pro3. As well as filter drive, because Moog filters are kinda aggressive by default. That should help you get into the ballpark but in the end Moog & Sequential have a different sound. I own both Pro3 & Moog (Voyager). The Moog sounds fatter, and has more of a vintage vibe, no question about it. Its also more straightforward with no menu diving. The Pro3 is more of a Swiss-army knife, endless possibilities. I lean more towards the Moog for effortless 60s/70s classic type sounds on sampled drums and what not and the Pro3 for 4/4 stuff with the sequencer and crazy modulation. It's really great having both, don't let go of the Pro3 as you're certainly also in honeymoon phase with your new Moog!
The Grandmother is not in the same class as the Pro 3. One envelope. One. ONE-that’s the Moog Grandmother. Yes, the VCOs in the Granny sound great, but the Pro 3 sounds great also. But whatever.
That's exactly why I replaced my Waldorf Iridium with other wavetable synths, simpler in features (kinda, Modwave is still a rabbit hole), but fuller in character and sound (paired it with a Waldorf M). Sometimes you get so deep in the technical featureset that you forget about how good something simple can sound straight out of the synth and keep the creative juice flowing. P.S. love your improved lighting / aesthetic, damn I even love your taste on furniture ahah, are those ball lamps / plants from Ikea? All the best mano
The Waldorf M sounds amazing from the videos I've watched/listened to. Iridium sounds amazing too but I feel like I'd get lost in all the features half the time. What is compatible to the Waldorf M that would be less expensive than the $2,000 is costs? Blofeld?
@@ryanperrault8174 Yeah Iridium to me felt like too much programming and a low satisfaction ratio for the time spent on it... An alternative to M is difficult mostly because of the analog filters and VCAs but your closest ones would be these synths in order: Waldorf Microwave 1; Waldorf Microwave 2 / XT; Waldorf Blofeld; Korg Modwave with Waldorf wavetables.
@@gianlucamarchese I appreciate the suggestions. I've watched videos on all and want all of the ones you mentioned...Are any new additional features planned for the M?
@@ryanperrault8174 The developer just released the final (for now) 1.08 update which enhances its capabilities with all the Microwave 2 / XT filters and more, in theory if Waldorf decide to contract him again in the near future it's in the plans to make a 2.0 OS update emulating all the Microwave 2 / XT missing features in order to have both machines reissues in a single unit.
@@gianlucamarchese oh wow that is awesome to hear. Extra filters is always a nice bonus...I'm not anywhere near close to being able to afford it but maybe one day. I'll just have to try to get as close as possible via plugins. Does Largo get close?
I had the grandmother for a bit less than a year, then sold it. Honestly I don't think it's worth the money for what it gives. Yes the tone is great but it is too limited, I will probably get the pro 3 one day instead. I have a little modular system and patching with the GM wasn't that convenient as i thought it would have been being semi-modular, and for my actual situation the GM was taking too much space. If you have no space problem and be able to invest more, I'd go with the matriarch. Matriarch + Pro 3 would be a dream to cover mono synth duty, with a bit of nice paraphony.
its to different beasts... got a pro2 and a subsequent 25... the moog is simpler but heavy and well balanced across the entire signal chain... the OSC are warmer and fatter (very settle) and when saturating it in the mixer or with a little resonant it has more beautiful overtones and cuts way better through a mix... the pro (which i use mostly with some OSC from my modular) is more experimental... with the sequencer and tons of modulation it gets me deep into modular sounddesign without patching a single cable... both together... sweetspot :-)
If you do 1:1 sound comparisons you should set attack to the same value otherwise it will obviously sound different. Also if you spend tons of money on Moog it would make sense to "gravitate towards it" otherwise what is the point of having it in the first place?
it sounds if there is a transient pop at the attack on the envelope of the pro3 ..maybe the secret sauce is the envelope with the moog grandmother..I dunno both are a m a z i n g synths
The Pro3 can produce the same sounds as the Moog for those saying otherwise. I have put both Moog Minitaur vs. Pro 3 and the range of the it is wide dynamically. Moog is tamed to a specific sound and the Pro3 is the wild child
When you compared them both Filtering to 50%. . . there is a very clear marked difference, the Moog sounding more low end and power. e.g. @02:11 here is a notorious difference (at least in studio monitors 🤓).
That's because it's using the prophet 6 filter instead of the moog ladder filter it will sound different. Though not sure how close it would sound if he was using the ladder filter, but it does increase the low end and much of that rich character lol
Succinct and to the point - the Pro 3 is obviously more versatile - but you're probably also better off getting a fully polyphonic workhorse synth and a top tier mono/bass synth like the GM to round out the studio (IMO). I love having a digital synth capable of giving me so many unique sounds when exploring. But I always want a funky or growling bass line - so having a dedicate go-to that's mostly WYSIWYG and patch-able like the GM would be an easy buy from me if I didn't already have the Model D filling my needs nicely.
Hard to argue with a subjective in-studio comparison. I haven’t done a comparison features-wise, just wondering if you looked at the Matriarch for the extra gizmology its supposed to have. In my case I already have Mooginess* in a Moog Mini D re-issue and Sub 37 Tribute. Not sure if I can justify another, especially Grandma/Matriarch when I’m also really irked by external wires and modular gear, so stay away from it (with MS-20 being the lone cable-creature exception). I am sparse on Dave Smith/Sequential sound so have Pro-3 on my want list. Your vids on it are partially responsible for the Pro-3 GAS, so my missus says thanks! ;) *Tsu-Moog-iness for K-On fans.
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I also have Pro 3 and GM and I quite easily replicate GM sounds on Pro 3. The key is to have a ladder filter selected without the compensation which makes it to behave identical to GM. Its important to tune all oscillators volumes at half volume or even less otherwise ladder filter is easily overdriven and gives you that crunchiness.
While the Pro 3 can sound like GM, the GM is unmatched in the speed of workflow. Somehow having less features and having knob per function makes you dial in needed sounds much quicker! I know GM inside out, I can create any sound with it with my eyes closed and that's what makes it great.
I tried replicating sounds from this video on Opsix and it was almost perfect match even on filter. It is funny because Opsix is FM synthesizer that costs 1/2 MG and 1/4 Pro3
"Create faster than you can talk yourself out of it". Wisdom right there!
Why not use the Moog Ladder filter on the Pro-3 with this comparison? The 4pole OTA filter used is the Prophet-6 filter.
Sorry but no point comparing these synths. If you want an ultra simple, sawtooth, house music Moog bass like in your video, then yeh sure use a Moog. If you want a world of complex sound design and sequencing possibilities, use the pro 3.
Yeah, not hard to choose at all. If all you want is that one "Grandmother" sound, why even bother with Pro 3!? If not, Pro 3 is even easier choice to make, it's vastly more versatile and convenient.
totally agree
I like your grandmother’s sound
I have the Grandmother,
the first two I was sent by the supplier were damaged and faulty upon delivery, like serious, obvious issues.
The third one they sent was fine for about 2-3 months, then the cutoff knob started rustling,
- probably loose carbon in the potentiometer,
- I wouldn't have minded but I'd hardly used the synth, and then Moog told me "Knob Usage" issues are not covered by the guarantee.
Still, I use such experiences to tailor my buying choices, and not buying Moog anymore is a great way to save money, IMO.
I've owned a lot of Moog over the years,
- been buying synthesizers, etc, since the mid 80s,
- and although I do love the Moog sound, I have always found Moog gear to be the most likely to fail, or require regular servicing, which is a shame, and considering the retail prices I would have thought they'd sorted out the quality control issues years ago, but apparently not, and it would appear many users of the sub £1000 Moog gear have mentioned similar issues across the internet.
Rant over...
love to ALL, feel no hate
My grandmother has had a several scratchy pots. The first was for the spring reverb, the next ones were in the mixer, and now my resonance pot is scratching. I have returned 5 (!) Matriarchs for defects / service as well.
My grandmother also developped a scratchy cuttoff and reverb pot, after using her very little... contacted Moog 3 times about it, but didnt get a response back... Their recent build quality and customer service is not what its used to be...
I have a matriarch (along other moog stuff like dfam and sub and Minotaur) and a Peak
I bought the Peak cause I was inspired by your videos, Ricky, and I totally love it. It’s my go to synth for everything and it has replaced all my vst (we talked about it sometime on IG)
Matriarch is just pure joy. I love creating sound from scratch and getting lost.
I love the option of semi modular to make it interact with other stuff.
I love throwing on a sequence and just play with parameters. I also love its limitation, like paraphony vs
polyphony, which forces me to adapt and roll with it rather than having a pure whiteboard where I can do anything (which can be intimidating and not productive a lot of times).
The fact that I’m forced to Record it
All the time it’s a feature for me, not a limitation.
Finally: that delay is one of the best in the market, in general not just for a synth.
It would be a huge pedal on its own
I’d only love moog to improve its syncing and sequencing with ext sources cause it’s a pain but I totally love it nevertheless.
When I just want to chill, matriarch is what I always turn on
well it's analog dude It's the real Deal no cap😎
I was thinking about selling my Grandmother for a Pro 3. The Pro 3 sounds really good and I love the modulation capabilities and it’s sequencer. But every time I turned on the Grandmother I couldn’t let it go, it also sounds incredible. Ended up getting a Matriarch to go along with my Grandmother and patch them together which is a lot of fun.
I have also sold the Pro 3. Bad quality materials in fact, the wood in Special Edition is awful. I had the grand mother and the matriarch but I sold them and kept the voyager, sirin and the SE02 from Roland. The only one that I will buy is the Model D reissue that will sell again by Moog at the end of this year
@@pedrogomis I hope they rerelease the Voyager as well
I was so on the fence between choosing between a Moog Matriarch or Sequential Pro 3. But it was the mod matrix that had me choose the Pro 3. The Pro 3 sort of scratches that itch I have to go Eurorack. Both synths are great for a controlling a modular setup. But the Sequencer on the Pro 3 is so much better than what Moog has. When I ordered the Pro 3, I had a Moog Mother 32 on my wish list, just in case I needed that low end. but the Pro 3 impressed me, so I removed the Mother 32 from my wish list. However, the Moog Studio 3 still interests me, so that may end up in my studio some day,
Maybe I missed it, but did you try changing up the filter circuitry on the pro3 by using the ladder filter? It looks like it had 4-pole OTA. Moog uses a ladder. This may make the harmonics a little more on the same playing field.
I think that you're right when you mentioned - it is the mixer that makes also the difference and it saturates. I love my Grandmother and I believe it is one of the most influential synths of the previous decade, but I also want to get Pro 3 too, I think it is one of the greatest inventions of Dave. Nice thoughts you bring there. Cheers!
it is the mixer i did a test with my grandmother moog 😎 You can also Overdrive the filter by Patch the in cable on the cutoff and the Env Amt IN. in the output of the filter You can actually saturate two times on the filter if you have a Multi aux Plug Adapte so you have the total of saturate Overdrive of 3x max
I'm curious why you are using the Prophet 6 filter in the Pro 3 and not the actual ladder-filter? Or did I miss it somewhere in the video? As an owner of a pro 3 I can say it's a super fun synthesizer! I think moog has their own sound and I'm very curious over Pro 3 vs MiniMoog 2022 but seem not to find any video on it :/
my understanding 📻 the magic of the Moog sound in this comparison is even in the pure oscillator sound it already has a subtle, pleasant motion to it 🖤
..has that extra fluffy soyboy sound.. where as the Pro 3 stands out in the mix..
lmfao I've put my Moog Minitaur which is there desktop version of the Taurus vs . my Pro 3 and the Pro 3 can produce any sound that the Moog produced. One main difference is that the Sequential allow you to go even deeper into the extremes of highs and lows. Moog seems coddled sometimes
@@normdurkin6425 Pro 3 can do everything the Moog can and more according to spectral analysis
Well the Mixer on the Moog distorts when you turn the knob above 12 o'clock. I'm sure one could get them very close sound wise.
Nice work! Thank you! I’d probably keep the Pro 3 and run it through a saturation pedal or something else to fuzzy it up. Just because its so flexible.
Pro 3 actually kicked out moog matriarch out of my setup. Pro 3 offers so much more to me. I still have studio electronics SE3X for some over phat sounds, this thing also smokes every modern moog. I've come all the way from a moog fanboy to a non moog guy)
Had the Pro 3. Sold it and bought the Matriarch. I’m one for sound over features. Pro 3 does offer a lot more bell and whistles.. on top of presets. But that Moog gets raw. Pro 3 lacks sound power imo.
Pro3 gone, Matriarch stayed for me. )
@@2ammusik Moog matriarch is very good at making "moog sound" creamy soft pillowy sounds which many people love of course, but it's just not good at mid punch, usable resonance, sequencing etc. Moogs, unfortunately are always one trick pony and sounds just different compared to pro 3, which is sitting in a mix better to me. I have a lot of moogs starting from voyager, sub phatty, subsequent 37, matriarch, grandmother, subharmonicon.. the only one i kinda miss is 37, it's at least has sub osc and usable compensated resonance which masks the harsh moogish resonance after "12 o'clock" and alows you to get more range of an instrument. But of course it is just my opinion and my personal taste)
@@77advanced I definitely don’t feel that way. The Pro 3 sounded bland to me. Matriarch for the win in my book. Just for more Moog and Presets I have a Subsequent 25.
Pro 3 replaced the Matriarch here :)
I have a Grandmother and I love it, that being, I never dreamed that It would be compared & favored over a Pro 3. I always compared Pro3 to Sub37.
spot on
i sold my Moog GM due to its limitations, but i loved the sound. Got the Pro3 SE (wooden panels) i also have an MFB Dominion 1 that has really beefy oscillators :)
Dominion sounds really awesome. ive been wanting one for a while
I mean you can't really compare the moog ladder filter with the pro 3's prophet 6 filter as you did here, the prophet 6 is kinda different and more aggressive. But I understand if you didn't want to make a comparison with the same filter type but more of the prophet sound vs moogs ladder. The pro 3 is just a more aggressive synth in general, I use it a lot, I'm a jazz fusion prog metal keys player and it naturally works well for heavy styles and as you said it terms of feature set the pro 3's mod matrix, sequencer and analog distortion is a dream on paper and is more suitable to compare with the matrixbrute. The pro 3 does have that resonance compensation with it's moog-ish ladder filter to keep the bass going for sure.
Then there is the OB filter too which sounds very different from the prophet filter and the ladder so I guess it's more flexibility, sound design capabilities and complexity vs tride and true analog beauty. The Moog Grandmother sounds amazing though, such a rich sound!
I have to be honest Ricky, you looked like you were having more fun with the PRO3 .... (and i'm not completely sold on the Moog either)....
I think the Moog sound has more to do with the mixer (cp3 based I think) than the filter. But of course it is a combination of all the elements in the signal path.
I was gonna say the same thing... especially with the ability to overdrive it!
you can Overdrive the moog grandmother 3x max. two on the filter one the mixer for analog Distortion i did a test on my grandmother and this is very true
Pro 3 has bass resonance compensation. When you turn the resonance up, i does not loose as much low end. Have to say the mid filter position sounds a lot different on the Moog...a lot better to me. Thanks for the video! Pro 3 is still a beast!
You can compensate for the bass resonance issues on the matriarch by using the dual filters in series as well pretty cool stuffs
@@mastermachetier5594 i guess with the HP filter, right? I saw somebody do that on the MatrixBrute. Using the HP filter resonance to crank up the bottom end. Interesting way to do it.
@@mastermachetier5594 the problem with that is that the bass will be inconsistent, as the HP cutoff will only be fixed to a specific frequency
Why not keep both? I have the Pro3 and I love it. I also have the Moog One 16 and I still keep the Pro3 and the Prophet 6. Something about Analog just sounds so full but the Pro3 fills that itch that I have for heavy crazy sounds.
He said he was keeping both
I think a more apt comparison would be the Matriarch and Pro 3. Grandmother is a ton of fun at first, but the fact that you didn't patch anything seems to be common across its userbase: the semi-modular nature of the grandmother is really not the selling point. There's just really not that much that you can do with the patch points it comes with, and I see most people (including myself) just using it as a presetless mono synth. The Matriarch absolutely set my heart on fire: aftertouch, velocity, paraphony, paraphonic sequencing, stereo modulation, stereo bbd analog delay (sounds INFINITELY cooler than the spring reverb on the GM), 4 oscillators, stereo filtering, and plenty of attenuators. The Matriarch really reigns supreme and still manages to inspire the same patch-from-scratch mentality but with a way more versatility. Grandmother really feels like a stepping stone --- I would get two Matriarchs if I could afford it.
Yeah, Pro 3 vs Grandmother is no contest. The Grandmother is more like a Minibrute 2. Matriarch and Pro 3 have more in common, but are still very different, given that one uses physical patch cables while the other uses virtual patch cables and can save/recall sounds. Moog makes it easier to go from zero to a decent playable sound, but Pro 3 rewards much deeper and more complex designs.
Personally, I've found I need patch recall... unless I'm just recording one-shots for drums and stuff. And I don't really need hardware for simple, classic sounds, because I'm using a Force and it's easier to just use a plugin for that sort of thing. So the Moog Mother series isn't for me... but I really enjoy my Pro 3. It does all the crazy stuff I can't get from a softsynth preset.
@@ToyKeeper Pro 3 seems like an absolute blast... I really hope they can design a Pro-4 that has knob-recall... if the synth industry could implement that at an efficient cost, I think people would understand synthesis so much better.
@@tommychampion.mp4 I'm not really expecting a Pro 4 since Dave Smith died. However, for knob recall and learning/understanding synthesis, a Hydrasynth is a good option. It has the signal chain clearly mapped out in an interactive diagram, the knobs show the current values, and it allows routing pretty much anything to anything else.
If I hadn't gotten a Pro 3, my other top choice was a Hydra. The choice came down to which one went on a good sale first. And TBH, sometimes I think it may have been a better choice. I really enjoy the Pro 3, but it's not a polysynth, and it's often a bit difficult to fit into a layered mix because it leans so hard toward big, aggressive, full-spectrum tones.
Amen
I have a matriarch and it’s a bitch to use live… Super fun at home.
Good video! Grandmother will never leave my studio. It’s just perfect for bass lines and has that special sauce 🙂
for real dude same here i got one too bro no cap😎
the mixer on Moog does asymmetric distortion witch is a distinctive Moog thing
Nice comparison and funny thing is that i never thought I could get a Moog and actually saved up enough for the op-1
But then when it came time to pull the trigger I couldn’t do it. For me it just didn’t see like a good investment. I read the customer service is aweful to teenage engineering and also I was worried that I would actually lose it because it’s so small
I did a query as to which synth would he the best for the money I saved and so many folks said the Moog grandmother and then the dark version went on some sale and that was it for me. I love this synth ! I like how you use it with your beats etc. I don’t see too many folks doing that. Sounds great
… what a coincidence. I acquired a Grandmother two days ago! I floated the idea of adding a Pro-3 to my setup, but decided to go a different route. Not only did I want a monosynth, but a semi-modular one as well.
I think if your making samples and arranging them on the computer the grandmother is perfect, or if you want to play it as a pure instrument and create deep relationship with the instrument the GM is also great here. But if you are trying to make a patch and move on, the subsequent 37 is the way to go
Both great synths but saving presets is just so nice to have… Pro 3 for me
People rave about the moog mixer and filter, but I swear there is something about the oscilators that can't be replicated. Tried putting other oscs through the Grandmother mixer+filter and my suspicion is correct
we always like your vids, enrique.
I think the Grandmother is a players synth. Simple soulful and inviting (whatever any of that means lol).
The Pro 3 suits a patch designer who does more work on the DAW.
To square that circle, if you must, a Subsequent 37 could work for you.
Nahhhh the Pro3 is running circles around the Grandmother the Matriarch would be a better comparison and the Pro 3 still wins
@@juliantaylor70 enjoy
I agree, Moog's just have that special sauce. You can't just throw a ladder filter on something and expect it to sound the same. There is some special magic in there. I've hard angel tears or unicorn hairs or something. I love the Grandmother, but the Matriarch has been next level for me.
well it analog what more can you say and analog is king For long reason of time 😎
and yes the Matriarch is cool i have the grandmother moog😎
analog is magic dude and this way i love it no cap😏😏😎🥲
Where's the melodics link? I'm interested in checking it out, and I want you to get credit for the referral.
Venus Theory made a good point, the filter makes a large the sound of a synth. As an engineer, it just sounds more saturated. Anyone using Ableton Live Suite, go drag saturator onto a sine wave, and start increasing the drive knob. You'll hear the same effect of more harmonics being added, which in turn also increases perceived loudness
it also the way how analog does it so yeah 😎
You can get the fat bottom end with resonance up by using the lfo as a sine wave oscillator, patch keyboard in to it and patching its output through the mixer or mixed in post filter in the multi.
I'm currently curious about getting into analog synthesis, do you think this is a good first synth?
Hey Ricky, have you ever tried the Matriarch? If you like the Granny that much, I think you would be absolutelt in love with the Matriarch, it’s the best modern Moog in my opinion.
The Matriarch and Pro 3 in unison with seven oscillators and an abundance of fundamentals and features to characterise, the sonic possibilities is endless.
Loved the grandmother, but mannnn you gotta try the Matriarch if you dig the Grandmother.
I had a Sub 37 for years but shifted it because I was always bummed out about the filter with resonance up. Apart from that it was the single best synth I'd ever had, it was just a beautiful instrument and you could really see the decades of experience they've got and their commitment to quality. It was super luxury!
I am tempted to try the Matriarch just cos for bass I could patch into both filters with the same envelope, but with the resonance off on one of them, so do the 'two Moogs' bass tracking trick they used to do in studios in the '70s, but on one Moog. Or at least I'm hoping you can do that on the Matriarch 😬🤷♂️
Seems legit. 😂
This trick i s exactly what I found out on my Matriarch for producing wonderful fat and round basses with resonance.
It‘s a shame that the Matriarch has an evil hardware glide bug which the Grandmother fortunately for all owners hasn‘t. It’s impossible to play e. g. the famous Popcorn theme (😂) without a minimal glide on every first note…
Greetings from Germany!🇩🇪🤝
Do you think the bass is better than on the Matriarch and Sub 37?
Curious why the Grandmother and not Subsequent 37?
Why Grand mother and not sub 37 for exemple ?
Great point about not having presets forcing you to commit to recording something at whatever progress stage you’ve reached. I know my habit is to just save presets, and not write music, because I’m always just ‘collecting,’ *_in preparation_* for doing something great… but that ‘great’ moment never arrives. It just keeps getting pushed back….
Wow, you really nailed the energetics of the stalled creative process. Thank you. Just reading this description of a common trap helps to liberate the pattern.
Pretty much me for the past few years. I keep wanting to get more synths to get that sound I want and a complete package but never record anything. I just need to create with what I have.
@@plantpoweredmuscle I think the majority of us home studio producers do that, I do it too. I've been collecting synths and rearranging my studio, like it is a work of art in itself, for years, and I barely finish a track. 😂
@@_EightySix oh jeez. Me too. Aaargh! The Gran is just the latest …
There's definitely a difference in the sound, the Moog sounds warmer to my ear
I have the Pro3, sold the Grandmother. Pro3 is now double the price of the Grandmother. That is a huge factor in which one people choose I'd imagine.
Going straight into the video and doing the ritual intro after is jarring! 😂. Still glad to see it though. Losing bass when raising resonance on the ladder filter is just the nature of the filter design. Question - did you level match these when doing the AB tests? The Moog had more oomph with the raw oscillator but I couldn't tell if it was louder or actually beefier.
I don't know if it's possible with the patch points but could you take the second osc out and bypass the filter to keep the bass when raising the reso? (set to something like sine or triangle not sure what waveforms it has).
It seems difficult to choose but I play the Pro3 much more than my G’mother. This is the only place where I can imagine writing such a sentence :)
Hi Ricky- thanks for the video. Thoughts on the GM as a first analog synth? 👀
Definitely sticking with my Pro-3, nice comp video though
Just stumbled upon a Demo of the MidiVolts Desktop by Space Brain circuits with the Grandmother and it sounds amazing. Have you considered trying one of those?
wow! thats an AWESOME device. Its kinda what i've been striving for to recreate the Mono/Poly voice cycling thing it does. Similar to the Oberheim Four Voice! Thanks for sharing
Great video. Always wanted to go down the Moog road, just never really have. Definitely got me interested!
What is that stand you have on the desktop? It’s a great design.
Are those the Aiaiai wireless headphones? They couldn't reproduce anything with the filters all the way down at @2:30? Do you typically have complaints about their bass response? Was considering picking them up.
I don’t have any complaints I keep the volume low when filming and my hearing is shot in the lows. Listening back to the footage on AIAIAIs I heard the bass :)
@@RickyTinez Right on! Thank you for responding.
I think you might be right about the saturation being the secret sauce. Because, the difference between those two seems to be some throaty, vocal singing in the upper mids, that's just audible through the part closed filter. That makes sense to me, because my Manhattan SVVCF also gives that secret sauce. And I always felt that the Moog CP3 style mixer at the front end, dialed past halfway was a big part of that. If I switch a signal into (orignal version) Ripples or some other nice filter, it sounds lovely, pure liquid, but it doesn't have that same 3D vibe. I highly recommend Manhattan Audio's CP3 style mixer; it's also pretty small and cheap with nice knobs. That Moog-style mixer saturation is an absolutely essential part of my modular chain now. Basimilus, Cloud Terrarium, Generate3 all sound crunchy and larger than life through it.
Awesome video as usual Ricky! Really appreciate your insights.
I have recently been offered a trade on my OP1 for a Grandmother. I currently have the Sub Phatty and Minitaur and was wondering what your thoughts are between those and the Grandmother. I love the sound of the Grandmother and the flexibility. But I am just not sure if its worth the trade with already owning two Moogs and if I will be producing the same tones.
Any feedback is much appreciated!
I dont have them (yet), but as keyboard player the solution is obvious: polysynth 4-5 octaves need ca. 90 - 110 cm, while pro3 and granny would need 125 cm together, so add both side by side on top of your rig ;-)
Dig it! Thoughts on the Grandmother/ Pro 3 vs the Subsequent 37? That’s my bass go to. Love the content as always!
Ah man! I was lusting after a Grandmother… until I saw your videos on the Pro 3 … and now you are going to turn me around again? 😂
Tinez the Tempter! He is a bad, bad man!
/tongue removed from cheek
With a lot of Sequential synthesizers, they do a good job of being more versatile than their competition, but sometimes lack that "wow" sound right out of the box...It's in there, you just have to tinker around a bit and find it.
I would agree, except for the prophet 6 and the OB6 which both have some exceptional sweet spot sounds.
@@ChillMode34 Correct...If I ever wanted a Prophet 6 though, I'd just get a Toraiz AS-1. It is essentially a Pro 6 mono synth for $600.
OB-6 definitely has a certain character to it, and I think the Pro 2 can get some of that too occasionally but I don't know enough about it.
I have a Rev 2, and I like it but not sure I love it yet. Same for the Novation Peak. Both are solid but I'm missing that character synth in the collection. If I could afford it I'd get a Waldorf M.
all good dude
1 its not dco. 2 is the pro 3 thru a/d converters?
No easy answer, there are so many variables. For starters, you should be using the Moog inspired ladder filter (middle position) on the Pro3 to emulate Moogs. Then deactivate the Q comp on the second tab of the filter settings. Then play with the OSC levels to get appropriate gain staging, that make a big difference on Pro3. As well as filter drive, because Moog filters are kinda aggressive by default. That should help you get into the ballpark but in the end Moog & Sequential have a different sound. I own both Pro3 & Moog (Voyager). The Moog sounds fatter, and has more of a vintage vibe, no question about it. Its also more straightforward with no menu diving. The Pro3 is more of a Swiss-army knife, endless possibilities. I lean more towards the Moog for effortless 60s/70s classic type sounds on sampled drums and what not and the Pro3 for 4/4 stuff with the sequencer and crazy modulation. It's really great having both, don't let go of the Pro3 as you're certainly also in honeymoon phase with your new Moog!
Could you give a comparison between the pro3 state variable filter and the OB6 SEM filter ...
Please.....
Same filter
@@jasonmalcolmgibbins but not the same oscillators etc...
I cant eve get it close...
What a great beat and sounds amazing Ricky
06:22 HAHA ur sense of humor LOF IT 😂
The Grandmother is not in the same class as the Pro 3.
One envelope. One. ONE-that’s the Moog Grandmother. Yes, the VCOs in the Granny sound great, but the Pro 3 sounds great also.
But whatever.
That's exactly why I replaced my Waldorf Iridium with other wavetable synths, simpler in features (kinda, Modwave is still a rabbit hole), but fuller in character and sound (paired it with a Waldorf M).
Sometimes you get so deep in the technical featureset that you forget about how good something simple can sound straight out of the synth and keep the creative juice flowing.
P.S. love your improved lighting / aesthetic, damn I even love your taste on furniture ahah, are those ball lamps / plants from Ikea?
All the best mano
The Waldorf M sounds amazing from the videos I've watched/listened to. Iridium sounds amazing too but I feel like I'd get lost in all the features half the time. What is compatible to the Waldorf M that would be less expensive than the $2,000 is costs? Blofeld?
@@ryanperrault8174 Yeah Iridium to me felt like too much programming and a low satisfaction ratio for the time spent on it...
An alternative to M is difficult mostly because of the analog filters and VCAs but your closest ones would be these synths in order:
Waldorf Microwave 1;
Waldorf Microwave 2 / XT;
Waldorf Blofeld;
Korg Modwave with Waldorf wavetables.
@@gianlucamarchese I appreciate the suggestions. I've watched videos on all and want all of the ones you mentioned...Are any new additional features planned for the M?
@@ryanperrault8174 The developer just released the final (for now) 1.08 update which enhances its capabilities with all the Microwave 2 / XT filters and more, in theory if Waldorf decide to contract him again in the near future it's in the plans to make a 2.0 OS update emulating all the Microwave 2 / XT missing features in order to have both machines reissues in a single unit.
@@gianlucamarchese oh wow that is awesome to hear. Extra filters is always a nice bonus...I'm not anywhere near close to being able to afford it but maybe one day.
I'll just have to try to get as close as possible via plugins. Does Largo get close?
Moog's filters?
The moog just sounds PHAT!!!
Great vid! They compliment one another very well
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One of the white keys just died on my Grandmother. Way bummer. It’s the filter overall tone. Moog is just warm and luscious.
I had the grandmother for a bit less than a year, then sold it. Honestly I don't think it's worth the money for what it gives. Yes the tone is great but it is too limited, I will probably get the pro 3 one day instead. I have a little modular system and patching with the GM wasn't that convenient as i thought it would have been being semi-modular, and for my actual situation the GM was taking too much space. If you have no space problem and be able to invest more, I'd go with the matriarch. Matriarch + Pro 3 would be a dream to cover mono synth duty, with a bit of nice paraphony.
its to different beasts... got a pro2 and a subsequent 25... the moog is simpler but heavy and well balanced across the entire signal chain... the OSC are warmer and fatter (very settle) and when saturating it in the mixer or with a little resonant it has more beautiful overtones and cuts way better through a mix... the pro (which i use mostly with some OSC from my modular) is more experimental... with the sequencer and tons of modulation it gets me deep into modular sounddesign without patching a single cable... both together... sweetspot :-)
Any thoughts on Grandmother vs Take 5, as a stay a home synth used with a DAW. My budget is one synth only
For DAW you are better of with VSTs. For the price of one GM or Take 5 you can get dozens of the best VSTs.
Details on siren vs grandmother?
@Ricky Tinez this you?
it isn't sponored by Moog, but let's be honest here, it doesn't _need_ to be
F yeah 😂 👊
I prefer the bass from the Moog than the pro three
pro sounds digital IMO
still a cool synth though 🤔
If you do 1:1 sound comparisons you should set attack to the same value otherwise it will obviously sound different. Also if you spend tons of money on Moog it would make sense to "gravitate towards it" otherwise what is the point of having it in the first place?
I love that you say Moog the correct way 😀
Either one 👌yes please but to have both, a blessing
Funny learning to play Avril 14 when Aphex programmed it with a sequencer. Great tune!
@Ricky Tinez Grandmother vs Matriarch .. what was your reason for the GM over the latter?
thinking of getting the grandmother, its sooo nice for basses
I’m at my local store debating between this and the Sub 25
Love your videos as always!
it sounds if there is a transient pop at the attack on the envelope of the pro3 ..maybe the secret sauce is the envelope
with the moog grandmother..I dunno both are a m a z i n g synths
The Pro3 can produce the same sounds as the Moog for those saying otherwise. I have put both Moog Minitaur vs. Pro 3 and the range of the it is wide dynamically. Moog is tamed to a specific sound and the Pro3 is the wild child
From just a short listen, I think you helped sell the Pro 3.😁
🎶🎹🎹🎵 Play On
Thanks' Ricky that was tight.
Would love to see a comparison between Grandmother and Analogue Solutions Leipzig v3
The 256 step sequencer is great for live jams.
When you compared them both Filtering to 50%. . . there is a very clear marked difference, the Moog sounding more low end and power. e.g. @02:11 here is a notorious difference (at least in studio monitors 🤓).
That's because it's using the prophet 6 filter instead of the moog ladder filter it will sound different. Though not sure how close it would sound if he was using the ladder filter, but it does increase the low end and much of that rich character lol
@@DrawAndErase the filter precisely! important component of Moog´s mojo! 👍😀
Succinct and to the point - the Pro 3 is obviously more versatile - but you're probably also better off getting a fully polyphonic workhorse synth and a top tier mono/bass synth like the GM to round out the studio (IMO). I love having a digital synth capable of giving me so many unique sounds when exploring. But I always want a funky or growling bass line - so having a dedicate go-to that's mostly WYSIWYG and patch-able like the GM would be an easy buy from me if I didn't already have the Model D filling my needs nicely.
The grandmother totally rules imo. We want more, man! Love your sound.
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@ 5:58 . when homie doesn't realise the quantiese actually made the beat worse and must have some nice speakers up loud for that bass to sound good.
Great content
The Grand seems to have more character more range in the mids.
Hard to argue with a subjective in-studio comparison. I haven’t done a comparison features-wise, just wondering if you looked at the Matriarch for the extra gizmology its supposed to have. In my case I already have Mooginess* in a Moog Mini D re-issue and Sub 37 Tribute. Not sure if I can justify another, especially Grandma/Matriarch when I’m also really irked by external wires and modular gear, so stay away from it (with MS-20 being the lone cable-creature exception). I am sparse on Dave Smith/Sequential sound so have Pro-3 on my want list. Your vids on it are partially responsible for the Pro-3 GAS, so my missus says thanks! ;)
*Tsu-Moog-iness for K-On fans.