Gohan: Youll have to hold him off Piccolo: Thats not so bad- Gohan: -for 5 minutes. And considering how badly he was kicking all our asses in under one...eh im sure you can handle it Piccolo: ....You and your dad need to let that sh*t go
Stand proud, Gohan. You are strong. You have the power to protect those you love. You have the courage to face any challenge. You have the heart of a true hero. Never doubt yourself, Gohan. You are capable of great things. You have the potential to surpass even your father. Believe in yourself, Gohan. You are the future of the Saiyan race. You are the hope of the universe. Stand proud, Gohan. You are strong.
The reason for the big hair is to make us associate with OG SSJ2 Gohan. We all know that Gohans character was straight downhill ever since the Cell fight. He had temporary coolness bump with ultimate Gohan but it was short lived and that's why they brought it back in ToP. It still did nothing for him, so they wanted to make him look like teen Gohan. The only way that happens with a taller body is bigger hair. This is a blatent attempt to make him reminiscent of TEEN SSJ2 because that was the peak of his character and we all know it.
That's obvious... We all knew this already, but it isn't executed right... His hair looks stupid, they didn't shape it right for one, and the spikes don't have to be that long...😒
I understand your point of view. It is true that Gohan's character has been inconsistent over the years, and some fans may feel that his big hair in Dragon Ball Super is an attempt to recapture the glory of his earlier days. However, I believe that there are other potential explanations for Gohan's hairstyle. One possibility is that the big hair is simply a stylistic choice made by the creators of Dragon Ball Super. They may have felt that it gave Gohan a more mature and powerful look, or they may have simply wanted to make him stand out from the other characters. Another possibility is that the big hair is a reference to Gohan's past. As you mentioned, SSJ2 Gohan was one of the most popular characters in the Dragon Ball series, and it is possible that the creators of Dragon Ball Super were hoping to evoke some of that nostalgia with Gohan's new hairstyle. And, the meaning of Gohan's big hair is up to interpretation. However, I believe that it is important to consider all of the possible explanations before making a judgment.
Chronologically, he's either 9 or 10 years old, as his birth year was Age 757 and the Cell Games took place on May 26th of Age 767. Biologically, he'd be 10 to 11 years old, given the majority of a year he spent with his father in the Room of Spirit and Time.@@PoopieFartGamer
The Gohan beast looks absolutely ridiculous in both lol. His hair looks like it belongs on a bigger head. The whole thing is basically the cell saga redux.
Anybody ever notice that the narrator in dbz Kai quote was “at last the beastly power has awoken ” when gohan went ssj2 for the first time fast forward and w have gohan beast Same with Majin Vegeta when he fought back against the control and Bobadi stated “ can you believe the ego on this guy” fast forward we have ultra ego
number 1 thing i always hated about dragon ball aside from its horrid power scaling is how these characters continuously get stronger yet the animation never adjusts to showcase it
I so utterly hate the official hair design. It's like if you took the SSJ hair and went waaay too far with how long it should be. I was hoping the manga would be a chance to edit the design a little, shorten the hair to more non-ridiculous lengths. But whatever I guess. Hope in this case Gohan gets a new form soon, lol.
I love close up shot beast Gohan's eye turned red during his transformation but overall the manga is alot better than the movie were getting more of orange piccolo too and etc
@@banano2210 The movie was "animated" with CGI. Hence why I said animation style. If I was strictly comparing different Mangas "art" I would've said art style. So please fuck off
I can imagine frieza grabbing Gohan's hair and throwing him into some namekian mountains. Then they have five minutes left until the planet explodes. Then Gohan uses the 5 minutes to transform into Super Beast 3, grows his hair even longer, and then defeats Frieza. End of Dragon Ball.
@@DanielLopez-dv4uw 🤣 that’s what im tryna figured out 😂. Plus Fat gotenks. Even the ganmas are questionable. Piccolo was the one who stated that and Piccolo is mostly wrong 😂. So he thinks that ganma are equal to them, but he no diff them in orange form 😂. Piccolo makes no sense at all, plus not being able to sense their God ki too. Maybe he was talking about their base form. Which base >>>piccolo, before the boost. Maybe even after 🤣
@@princedewinPiccolo didnt even know about his own Orange form. Thats why he didnt know he was stronger than the Gamas The Gamas have to be at least at the level Goku SSB was starting the tournament Arc, as Gamma 1 was fighting on equal terms with Ultimate Gohan, who was already shown to be SSB blue level (and even Kefla level on the manga) About Krillin. Yeah he is fodder. But the destructo disk technique was already shown to be able to cut through anything, no matter how big is the power gap. I dont have a problem with the disk causing damage to cell max. But I do have a problem with Krillin taking a direct punch from him and surviving lol.
@@clrl936 🤣 cell tank regular destructo disk without paying attention. Gohan wasn’t ssb level 😂. Piccolo since early Z has always simply talked. His famous catch phrase is “I never felt a power like this before” 😂. Cell Max base of feats is nothing compared to broly.
@@princedewin Gohan was SSB level. Goku needed to go kaioken on top of SSB to win. And as I said, Gohan takes out Kefla on the Manga version. Kefla who was beating Goku SSB on the anime and had to go UI to heat her.
Gohan's transform due to the fact of Piccolo's nearly presume death is like the Cell's Arc when Number 16 died in front of him. Nothing much change compare years ago.... I wish it can be trigger by Pan's injury because of Max Cell ki blast then maybe could be better?
I'll add to that,I think it would be cool if we saw some proper tough training from Gohan & instead of picollo it would be pan who's presumed dead cuz at this point in the movie she can't fly properly.Also picollo has came back from worser beating than this!!!!!
yeah same i'm pretty sick of the rehash shit with gohan. idk why he has to watch a picollo torture porn montage again to unlock a random new bs form he didn't earn and doesn't make any sense. tbf i didn't think android 16's death was that impactful back in Z either. gohan didn't even realy know 16 even if it was a decent speech. @@cosmictrainer2919
@@cosmictrainer2919 It's called Gohan beast because of the "beast" in Gohan being unleashed, which as we know, we only saw a glimpse of due to his rage. Having him obtain it from training is just lame.
The moment he snapped in the movie bc of piccolo's supposed death, I was asking myself why any of the characters even care about it, since they have the dragonballs. There is little to no reason to snap because of that, there is almost nothing at stake here. As you mentioned, Pan would be a better fit for that role (perhaps even death), because even if you could revive her with the dragonballs, it would still be horrible for a child to experience.
Gohan Beast mode and Angry Orange Piccolo were never done right. It was just a lazy way to make 2 side-lined characters to magically catch up to God level Vegeta and Goku.
@spiro3142 Yes, the 2 characters (mc and deuteragonist btw) that trained YEARS AND YEARS (add the time chamber) only under a fucking God of Destruction and angel, that fought Gods and mortals, that learned new techniques yes, and besides only goku did the ritual GOOFY
3:27 I won't lie that plume of smoke did the manga some favors for a moment. Cutting to that had me think did they actually kill Piccolo for a bit, selling Gohan's reaction even more. Course the follow up as to what happened after..Not sure how Gamma 1 hid Giant Orange Piccolo with that shield of his but eh.
SSJ Blue is actually more explained in the anime than SSJ God is, Mastar…. “SSJ Blue” happens when a Base Saiyan keeps his aura hidden inside their bodies to maximize their strength and keep their opponents in the dark, and THEN power up to Super Saiyan, WHILE doing all of that. It’s basically perfect ki control! “Super Saiyan God” however… Isn’t explained at all beyond the “5 good hearted Saiyans pour their life energy into a 6th.” That doesn’t explain much in terms of the mechanisms behind a Saiyan’s power…
That's not true after the rof movie. It's actually almost as big of a drain as ss3. You don't need to be calm to use SSB anymore either, it gets stronger with rage. They were using ssg then transforming to ssb during attacks to not revert from the drain
@@sky-oq5mr I never said it was draining or had stamina issues… Just that it requiered perfect ki control… As it requiers you to keep your mortal ki inside your body at all times… Causing the blue, transformed, “god ki” to leak out as a result.
@@JamesSmith-gp7lg Didnt they have to master their ki control for ssj blue in the manga tho? Like im pretty sure they did that in the goku black arc, so like, by default, that means you DON'T need perfect ki control, you can use it without its just less strong, but in the anime they have no such problems.
@@1dfr33 No they could use it without perfect ki control, meaning ssj blue doesnt need perfect ki control, atleast in the manga, it might need it in the anime, but the explanation op is using is a misinterpretation of the manga version.
Disagree. The only thing the manga did better was having the other Z fighters actually contribute by having them clip Cell's wings. (which surprised me because Toyo typically sucks when it comes to side characters compared to Toei) The Beast Gohan stuff specifically was better in the movie since the manga cut the scene of Piccolo being held above Cell's head defeated. I think this choice was more fitting for a giant battle. Gohan didn't even see the results of the beating and transformed just because here. 🤷♂Also it doesn't make sense that Gamma 2's barrier would even save Piccolo. It only covered a small portion of his giant form. Might as well have had him just outright survive like in the movie.
I mean, I'm not sure its good to rely on this for info but uh- In Xenoverse 2, the beast transformation is available for all races, meaning its more of a technique that anyone could learn, similar to what ultra instinct is. So that's at least SOME extra bit of knowledge about Beast As i said, using Xenoverse for info probably isn't the best, but its just what i noticed
i think xenoverse made that up since toriyama probably has 0 explaination for the form since he never intended gohan to be a main part in this movie but iyoku told him fan service
@@hashi. Eh, I would agree if it wasn't for my original prediction of this being a Gohan movie from the name announcement (due to TGSM), this was ALWAYS intended to be a Gohan movie from that alone.
Well the anime version came first so with the manga they have the ability to improve on the story and flesh it out. Also, I think the reason they add the recent movies and retell them in the manga is because new people picking the manga up need to know what happens. Theres probably people out there that ONLY read the manga also.
To me the whole scene where Gohan charges while Piccolo tries to hold off and immobilize Cell Max actually reminds me of Goku fighting Raditz, trying to immobilize him while Piccolo charges the same move. Also they remade the movie into a Manga despite alot of confusion and annoyance for the Japanese audience, because unlike the west, the Superhero movie flopped hard in Japan and nearly no one saw it.
I always saw Beast as something Gohan achieved by diving back into his primal rage, but now fusing it with his Mystic Form. Because Mystic never saw Gohan get super mad. He was still a bit naive, cocky and goofy at times, yes, but he could control himself. We never saw Gohan go out of control again. But upon seeing Piccolo get beat up, Gohan, who was at the top of his potential, snapped, and the ceiling of power he had already reached skyrocketed. And thanks to the Mystic form's ability to realize one's potential, said ceiling was fulfilled again. As such, Gohan is always fighting at 100% of his potential, Beast just shot said potential way up, yet Gohan can still control himself because he grew as an adult. Basically, you can say Beast is the Kaioshin/magical version of Broly's Ikari/Legendary state. Both make us of the user's rage.
you overthinking the whole form when he wasn't even training for this form specifically its just a rage boost that piccolo triggered gohan on purpose to do this and it worked not complicated like you presented.
I've taken it as Beast Form and Mystic form are related in the same way SSJB and SSJG are related in that the new form builds on the previous height of their power by infusing it with previous techniques (rage boost/SSJ2 for Gohan and SSJ for Goku and Vegeta)
You know what I just realized. Every time Gohan gets a new form, its name is never said in-universe. Super Saiyan 2 didn't get named dropped until the Majin Buu saga by Goku long after Gohan unlocked it, his Ultimate or Mystic form is never name dropped in the anime or manga, just described as his hidden potential unleashed, and now Beast Gohan.
One thing I always loved from Toyotarou is the way he draw aura. The aura never strays too far from the body and it has consistent textures depending on the transformation. Toei's interpretation if the aura feels way too crowded. It looked unique in Battle of Gods, but when EVERY SINGLE AURA in the series is a derivation from that Super Saiyan God aura, it just feels bland. Another point Toyotarou does incredibly well is the impact shots. Every single punch just looks stronger. Both of these points are what I believe made the manga version of Super Hero feel more enjoyable than the movie version.
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piccolo holding cell back while gohan charges up a special beam cannon felt like goku holding off radditz while piccolo charged up his special beam cannon.
When the HECK are they going to finally add some more Super episodes? Is it done completely? Honestly though, I’m just happy we are finally getting the ending of Bleach!! But DBZ was the very first Anime I ever watched and it will always hold a special place in my heart.
Talking about your opinion on how the Manga can do things better, I wanna chime in. Not to say I disagree, but I actually do agree with the mindset. There are some things that work better drawn on paper and some things work better in animation. That's just how media works at times. The plus side of that I think is that they both offer thier own unique perspective to the consumer.
Another reason the movie shouldn't have been CG. Super Hero is still my least favorite official DB thing, but I'd be a fool for not acknowledging Toyotaro's amazing artwork. His skills have improved so much.
Bro, the camera angles and subtle music of the movie made it so much better, idk what you’re even talking about. Those panels you showed were stiff af, and it looks cool in b/w but it needs color otherwise the special beam cannon doesn’t look as unique
This video should’ve been named “Gohan being nerfed for the manga” because he is obviously weaker in the manga than in the movie and I mean way weaker smh
You were so polite and on point. Again, very polite. DB fans are getting the big stick right now from money making gimmicks and zero substance to the content. Whether it be Tori or Toyo, someone better start actually caring about the series again.
I always felt like they should’ve spilt buu into 3 separate beings where vegeta blows himself up killing fat buu his final W and permanent sacrifice.gohan beats buutenks viciously and gruesomely angry that he captured trunks and gotenks.then goku fights kid buu in the after life realm with the help of the Kai’s to seal kid buu away again. Because I feel like pure evil/power shouldn’t be destroyable like he’s a cosmic being that lives along side the universe. Boom how I would’ve like to see dbz end
It’s Mystic Form Level 2! Hasn’t anyone even realized this?? Just like Gohan going super saiyan 2! Even the rage of transforming looks like when he raged to turn Ssj2! Also his transformation happened AGAIN as a result of Cell!! Anyone paying attention??
Gohan became my favourite character in Z and it was sad to see what he became in Super, however I'm so glad the creators have decided to make him relevant and not to focus Goku heavy.
my only thought about how beast could have been achieved, and bear with me here, this is just something i imagined, maybe since his ultimate form is suposed to be the cultivation of all his potential unlocked, maybe it held some power from every zenkai buff gohan recieved ever since he got ultimate. it would explain why gohan said that he felt the power inside but didn't know how to activate it. but idk
They should just make Gohan the new protagonist. And you might say oh well Gohan does not want to be a fighter or the hero. But that's what makes him a great character. While Goku accepts his destiny and loves fighting, Gohan is the reluctant hero, who has great power thrusted upon him.
2:20 This is pretty huge. if this suggests that Gohan is less powerful than Cell Max before charging up Mankankosappo -an attack that multiplies your power- then that puts an end to all the debates surrounding Gohans strength compared to Goku, Vegeta, or Frieza. Toriyama himself said: "Once completed, it (Cell Max) was supposed to be a metahuman that not even Broly would be able to beat, but he was forcibly activated early" and Broly is confirmed to be weaker than both Goku and Vegeta at the start of the Granola Arc by both Granolas wish and Whis himself saying he didn't know of anybody in the Universe stronger than them. The movie was really confusing because made it look like Beast was in a different realm of power all together compared to Cell, but despite that they still chose to make him use an amped up Mankankosappo to finish him off, which should have been completely unnecessary. Definitely makes a lot more sense that Gohan was just weaker than Cell and was forced to use it.
I want to believe that the hair length is what a ssj adult Gohan would look like if his hair would of stayed longer like in his toddler days haha, and somehow this form borrows the hair from his youth… that’s how I cope with the hair and it makes it seem more cool 😅
Still think that hair gohan has in "beast" form looks funny, every time i see it reminds me of that KND episode where numbah 4 does the parody ssj transformation. Also that form makes no sense existing
fenyo can replicate toriyama's style the best but he ain't a mangaka you never know how good he'll be at panelling these sequences it took toyotaro a while to get decent at panelling and speedlines
Young JiJi and Dragongarrow Lee are amazing too. I love Toyotaro’s uniqueness in his style but man what I wouldn’t give to have Dragongarrow Lee draw the manga in the saiyan saga style.
New Enemy is actually cell like he was intended with all the dragon ball super information. Including Beerus and the god ki sayans, Ego and UI with that black Freeza. The cell we all deserved
Toriyama has already told us. You won't believe it until he actually crushes your favorite characters but by then you'll just complain lol Only one that is even debatable is Black Frieza.
@@dizzyb2309 your projecting 😂 keep your lil beast hogan agenda at a level one . When he fights someone with actual combat ability I’ll judge from there .
@@cashouttbready6529 The author directly speaking on this matter not being enough to sway you just means you're a fanboy of the weaker characters. Keep crying lol
I really don't like how he gets this new transformation. It doesn't feel like he goes past his limits into the new form out of necessity or danger or anything actually important for that matter, idk how it all happens in the manga, but the movie revolves around Piccolo trying to make Gohan understand he needs to maintain a training routine so he can fight off whatever evil comes their way, and what happens in the movie is the opposite, like bruh piccolo straight up summons shenron and gets his new form for "free". After that, the movie kinda goes back on that track until right at the end we see Gohan transform and we think "Wow, he wasn't even training, that's just how furious he is, no more holding back, he's letting all of his power out" then they fight cell max, piccolo is beaten into a pulp for a solid 10 minutes, when it looks like he's dead gohan again goes over the edge and ends cell max. Everyone is all right for the most part, they talk to each other blah blah blah, piccolo shows hes not actually dead, comes to gohan and says smh like "hey, that's what I meant when I said you should train regularly" and gohan goes '"Oh yeah I see what you mean, I've been training in secret the whole time, after all this time with you constantly telling me to do so, I finally did". Bro this is so frustrating, is this even necessary? Like, this one conversation takes all the credit off of what Gohan did because we didn't get to see the training he claims he did. And I'm not even going to bring up how piccolo got transformation and out of theme it is. It's infuriating how agressively average this movie is, it could be SO MUCH better with SUCH SMALL changes.
Gohan: Youll have to hold him off
Piccolo: Thats not so bad-
Gohan: -for 5 minutes. And considering how badly he was kicking all our asses in under one...eh im sure you can handle it
Piccolo: ....You and your dad need to let that sh*t go
TFS, nice
Makonsapalapaga !
@@brock7889makanka... Makankopap... screw it. SPECIAL BEAM CANNON
The grudge
Im sure Picoro felt the same as Goku when fighting Raditz
Stand proud gohan, you are strong.
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Stand proud, Gohan. You are strong. You have the power to protect those you love. You have the courage to face any challenge. You have the heart of a true hero.
Never doubt yourself, Gohan. You are capable of great things. You have the potential to surpass even your father.
Believe in yourself, Gohan. You are the future of the Saiyan race. You are the hope of the universe.
Stand proud, Gohan. You are strong.
nah id win
Nan I'd Su-
@@wulv7075 wait how does a white goat win against a op half saiyan guy
The reason for the big hair is to make us associate with OG SSJ2 Gohan. We all know that Gohans character was straight downhill ever since the Cell fight. He had temporary coolness bump with ultimate Gohan but it was short lived and that's why they brought it back in ToP. It still did nothing for him, so they wanted to make him look like teen Gohan. The only way that happens with a taller body is bigger hair. This is a blatent attempt to make him reminiscent of TEEN SSJ2 because that was the peak of his character and we all know it.
Agreed. Tho "Teen" Gohan, isn't a teen at all
That's obvious... We all knew this already, but it isn't executed right... His hair looks stupid, they didn't shape it right for one, and the spikes don't have to be that long...😒
I understand your point of view. It is true that Gohan's character has been inconsistent over the years, and some fans may feel that his big hair in Dragon Ball Super is an attempt to recapture the glory of his earlier days. However, I believe that there are other potential explanations for Gohan's hairstyle.
One possibility is that the big hair is simply a stylistic choice made by the creators of Dragon Ball Super. They may have felt that it gave Gohan a more mature and powerful look, or they may have simply wanted to make him stand out from the other characters.
Another possibility is that the big hair is a reference to Gohan's past. As you mentioned, SSJ2 Gohan was one of the most popular characters in the Dragon Ball series, and it is possible that the creators of Dragon Ball Super were hoping to evoke some of that nostalgia with Gohan's new hairstyle.
And, the meaning of Gohan's big hair is up to interpretation. However, I believe that it is important to consider all of the possible explanations before making a judgment.
@@wafagdplqs4421ong isn’t he like 9
Chronologically, he's either 9 or 10 years old, as his birth year was Age 757 and the Cell Games took place on May 26th of Age 767. Biologically, he'd be 10 to 11 years old, given the majority of a year he spent with his father in the Room of Spirit and Time.@@PoopieFartGamer
The Gohan beast looks absolutely ridiculous in both lol. His hair looks like it belongs on a bigger head. The whole thing is basically the cell saga redux.
Anybody ever notice that the narrator in dbz Kai quote was “at last the beastly power has awoken ” when gohan went ssj2 for the first time fast forward and w have gohan beast
Same with Majin Vegeta when he fought back against the control and Bobadi stated “ can you believe the ego on this guy” fast forward we have ultra ego
I never watched Kai because I never watched the original but I kinda see
Or when Vegeta said "He's Ultra Instincting all over us" when Goku used Kaioken. Crazy
Gohan beast's hair is way too long like in the movie, shorter would be nice
I love the long hair
What can you do about it huh?
It was meant to be that long
Cap
I swear I thought I was the only one that thought that his hair is ridiculously to big for his character if it was a little shorter it would be right
number 1 thing i always hated about dragon ball aside from its horrid power scaling is how these characters continuously get stronger yet the animation never adjusts to showcase it
Who knew a KND parody would become so relevant in 2023.
Brooooo😂😂
I’m proud
he has the same power up stance as goku during the moro arc when he finally hit mastered UI again with the relaxed hands by his side at 3:51
Ok
@@radicaIized ok
There isnt anything called "mastered ui" in terms of goku Arsenal goofy
@@loliconenjoyer9770wat
@@loliconenjoyer9770confidently wrong
Add least with SSJ3 the hair was pointed down and was free flowing. Gohan beast makes me feel sorry for Gohan's neck.
I so utterly hate the official hair design. It's like if you took the SSJ hair and went waaay too far with how long it should be. I was hoping the manga would be a chance to edit the design a little, shorten the hair to more non-ridiculous lengths. But whatever I guess. Hope in this case Gohan gets a new form soon, lol.
Gohan beast should've had ssj4 hair.
Just something different. It's looks too super Saiyan despite not a super Saiyan.
@@sylents8005Gohan failed to show us what is to go further beyond
The guy can lift cars, hair isn't an issue for him.
I love close up shot beast Gohan's eye turned red during his transformation but overall the manga is alot better than the movie were getting more of orange piccolo too and etc
Animation style plays a big part in the end result. That's why the manga seems so much better than the movie.
art style bozo
he was just flipn the pages really fast@@banano2210
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@@banano2210 The movie was "animated" with CGI. Hence why I said animation style. If I was strictly comparing different Mangas "art" I would've said art style. So please fuck off
I can imagine frieza grabbing Gohan's hair and throwing him into some namekian mountains. Then they have five minutes left until the planet explodes.
Then Gohan uses the 5 minutes to transform into Super Beast 3, grows his hair even longer, and then defeats Frieza. End of Dragon Ball.
Base on performance, Cell max is nowhere near Broly. Broly was tanking attacks from SSB goku and vegeta. Fodder were damaging Cell max.
The androids are supposed to be on goku and vegetas level,I get the krillin part tho wtf is that lmao
@@DanielLopez-dv4uw 🤣 that’s what im tryna figured out 😂. Plus Fat gotenks. Even the ganmas are questionable. Piccolo was the one who stated that and Piccolo is mostly wrong 😂. So he thinks that ganma are equal to them, but he no diff them in orange form 😂. Piccolo makes no sense at all, plus not being able to sense their God ki too. Maybe he was talking about their base form. Which base >>>piccolo, before the boost. Maybe even after 🤣
@@princedewinPiccolo didnt even know about his own Orange form. Thats why he didnt know he was stronger than the Gamas
The Gamas have to be at least at the level Goku SSB was starting the tournament Arc, as Gamma 1 was fighting on equal terms with Ultimate Gohan, who was already shown to be SSB blue level (and even Kefla level on the manga)
About Krillin. Yeah he is fodder. But the destructo disk technique was already shown to be able to cut through anything, no matter how big is the power gap. I dont have a problem with the disk causing damage to cell max. But I do have a problem with Krillin taking a direct punch from him and surviving lol.
@@clrl936 🤣 cell tank regular destructo disk without paying attention. Gohan wasn’t ssb level 😂. Piccolo since early Z has always simply talked. His famous catch phrase is “I never felt a power like this before” 😂. Cell Max base of feats is nothing compared to broly.
@@princedewin Gohan was SSB level. Goku needed to go kaioken on top of SSB to win. And as I said, Gohan takes out Kefla on the Manga version. Kefla who was beating Goku SSB on the anime and had to go UI to heat her.
Gohan's transform due to the fact of Piccolo's nearly presume death is like the Cell's Arc when Number 16 died in front of him. Nothing much change compare years ago.... I wish it can be trigger by Pan's injury because of Max Cell ki blast then maybe could be better?
Honestly I would say rather than rage and rehash could have gone with something else like maybe... Train?
I'll add to that,I think it would be cool if we saw some proper tough training from Gohan & instead of picollo it would be pan who's presumed dead cuz at this point in the movie she can't fly properly.Also picollo has came back from worser beating than this!!!!!
yeah same i'm pretty sick of the rehash shit with gohan. idk why he has to watch a picollo torture porn montage again to unlock a random new bs form he didn't earn and doesn't make any sense. tbf i didn't think android 16's death was that impactful back in Z either. gohan didn't even realy know 16 even if it was a decent speech. @@cosmictrainer2919
@@cosmictrainer2919 It's called Gohan beast because of the "beast" in Gohan being unleashed, which as we know, we only saw a glimpse of due to his rage. Having him obtain it from training is just lame.
The moment he snapped in the movie bc of piccolo's supposed death, I was asking myself why any of the characters even care about it, since they have the dragonballs.
There is little to no reason to snap because of that, there is almost nothing at stake here.
As you mentioned, Pan would be a better fit for that role (perhaps even death), because even if you could revive her with the dragonballs, it would still be horrible for a child to experience.
Gohan Beast mode and Angry Orange Piccolo were never done right. It was just a lazy way to make 2 side-lined characters to magically catch up to God level Vegeta and Goku.
Oh you mean the two characters that magically got God level without any explanation other than a shoehorned ritual?
Damn right.
@spiro3142 Yes, the 2 characters (mc and deuteragonist btw) that trained YEARS AND YEARS (add the time chamber) only under a fucking God of Destruction and angel, that fought Gods and mortals, that learned new techniques yes, and besides only goku did the ritual GOOFY
@@spiro3142 Oh you mean the two characters that have been training religiously from day 1 with no breaks?
3:27 I won't lie that plume of smoke did the manga some favors for a moment. Cutting to that had me think did they actually kill Piccolo for a bit, selling Gohan's reaction even more.
Course the follow up as to what happened after..Not sure how Gamma 1 hid Giant Orange Piccolo with that shield of his but eh.
SSJ Blue is actually more explained in the anime than SSJ God is, Mastar….
“SSJ Blue” happens when a Base Saiyan keeps his aura hidden inside their bodies to maximize their strength and keep their opponents in the dark, and THEN power up to Super Saiyan, WHILE doing all of that.
It’s basically perfect ki control!
“Super Saiyan God” however… Isn’t explained at all beyond the “5 good hearted Saiyans pour their life energy into a 6th.”
That doesn’t explain much in terms of the mechanisms behind a Saiyan’s power…
That's not true after the rof movie. It's actually almost as big of a drain as ss3. You don't need to be calm to use SSB anymore either, it gets stronger with rage. They were using ssg then transforming to ssb during attacks to not revert from the drain
@@sky-oq5mr I never said it was draining or had stamina issues… Just that it requiered perfect ki control… As it requiers you to keep your mortal ki inside your body at all times… Causing the blue, transformed, “god ki” to leak out as a result.
@@JamesSmith-gp7lg Didnt they have to master their ki control for ssj blue in the manga tho? Like im pretty sure they did that in the goku black arc, so like, by default, that means you DON'T need perfect ki control, you can use it without its just less strong, but in the anime they have no such problems.
@@dattos140your comment makes no sense. If they had to master ki control to use it then it needs perfect ki control.
@@1dfr33 No they could use it without perfect ki control, meaning ssj blue doesnt need perfect ki control, atleast in the manga, it might need it in the anime, but the explanation op is using is a misinterpretation of the manga version.
Disagree. The only thing the manga did better was having the other Z fighters actually contribute by having them clip Cell's wings. (which surprised me because Toyo typically sucks when it comes to side characters compared to Toei) The Beast Gohan stuff specifically was better in the movie since the manga cut the scene of Piccolo being held above Cell's head defeated. I think this choice was more fitting for a giant battle. Gohan didn't even see the results of the beating and transformed just because here. 🤷♂Also it doesn't make sense that Gamma 2's barrier would even save Piccolo. It only covered a small portion of his giant form. Might as well have had him just outright survive like in the movie.
Gamma 2 is dead. The one who saved Piccolo was Gamma 1
@@miguel_mxg Don't care
@@dizzyb2309yet you cared to comment.
am i the only one who finds it just hilarious how bro pronounces 'makankosappo' lmao
I love how goofy it is that his hair is literally bigger than his Torso
Your thumbnail also did it better than the movie. I miss that old art style so much
I mean, I'm not sure its good to rely on this for info but uh-
In Xenoverse 2, the beast transformation is available for all races, meaning its more of a technique that anyone could learn, similar to what ultra instinct is. So that's at least SOME extra bit of knowledge about Beast
As i said, using Xenoverse for info probably isn't the best, but its just what i noticed
Sadly because it's a CaC there's nothing you can cross reference it with if that makes sense
i think xenoverse made that up since toriyama probably has 0 explaination for the form since he never intended gohan to be a main part in this movie but iyoku told him fan service
@@hashi. Eh, I would agree if it wasn't for my original prediction of this being a Gohan movie from the name announcement (due to TGSM), this was ALWAYS intended to be a Gohan movie from that alone.
@@galinmeric2149 with the amount of piccolo in this movie it feels more like a piccolo movie than a gohan movie
Pretty sure Beast is just Gohan cracking open the full potential of his Ultimate form so it makes sense that other races could tap into a similar form
Fantastic Gohan he levelling up and powering up
Well the anime version came first so with the manga they have the ability to improve on the story and flesh it out. Also, I think the reason they add the recent movies and retell them in the manga is because new people picking the manga up need to know what happens. Theres probably people out there that ONLY read the manga also.
God this transformation looks GOOFY
7:49 bro turned into perfect cell for a moment💀
To me the whole scene where Gohan charges while Piccolo tries to hold off and immobilize Cell Max actually reminds me of Goku fighting Raditz, trying to immobilize him while Piccolo charges the same move.
Also they remade the movie into a Manga despite alot of confusion and annoyance for the Japanese audience, because unlike the west, the Superhero movie flopped hard in Japan and nearly no one saw it.
I always saw Beast as something Gohan achieved by diving back into his primal rage, but now fusing it with his Mystic Form. Because Mystic never saw Gohan get super mad. He was still a bit naive, cocky and goofy at times, yes, but he could control himself. We never saw Gohan go out of control again.
But upon seeing Piccolo get beat up, Gohan, who was at the top of his potential, snapped, and the ceiling of power he had already reached skyrocketed. And thanks to the Mystic form's ability to realize one's potential, said ceiling was fulfilled again. As such, Gohan is always fighting at 100% of his potential, Beast just shot said potential way up, yet Gohan can still control himself because he grew as an adult.
Basically, you can say Beast is the Kaioshin/magical version of Broly's Ikari/Legendary state. Both make us of the user's rage.
good concept
Ikari, not Inari.
Ikari means rage.
Inari means fox.
@@anidiot192 🙏
you overthinking the whole form when he wasn't even training for this form specifically its just a rage boost that piccolo triggered gohan on purpose to do this and it worked not complicated like you presented.
I've taken it as Beast Form and Mystic form are related in the same way SSJB and SSJG are related in that the new form builds on the previous height of their power by infusing it with previous techniques (rage boost/SSJ2 for Gohan and SSJ for Goku and Vegeta)
1st! Much love my guy! Blessings to you and your family!
DBS has the writing of a 3 year old that was dropped on their head
Cry.
@@dizzyb2309 least triggered dbtard
Nah, DBS definitely has problems, but the thing you're looking for is Demon Slayer.
@@razi_man demon slayer clears ANYTHING from DBS and it’s not even close
@@jimjamjon2285 Demon Slayer can't tell shit. The manga is so confusing that even GT makes more sense.
You know what I just realized. Every time Gohan gets a new form, its name is never said in-universe. Super Saiyan 2 didn't get named dropped until the Majin Buu saga by Goku long after Gohan unlocked it, his Ultimate or Mystic form is never name dropped in the anime or manga, just described as his hidden potential unleashed, and now Beast Gohan.
One thing I always loved from Toyotarou is the way he draw aura. The aura never strays too far from the body and it has consistent textures depending on the transformation. Toei's interpretation if the aura feels way too crowded. It looked unique in Battle of Gods, but when EVERY SINGLE AURA in the series is a derivation from that Super Saiyan God aura, it just feels bland. Another point Toyotarou does incredibly well is the impact shots. Every single punch just looks stronger. Both of these points are what I believe made the manga version of Super Hero feel more enjoyable than the movie version.
BRO hair looks ridiculous!!!! Its obviously a reference to Cartoon Network's KND: Kids next Door DBZ Parody Scene with Number 4's super saiyan FORM.
i am happy that gohan became op again just like in the cell saga he was op af
Badabada, charging my attack~
The hair looks ridiculous. 😆 Reminds me of the parody forms.
Keep it up on your work and this video and channel
I love this video and channel
Thanks you for your video and channel
I love dragon ball all franchise
piccolo holding cell back while gohan charges up a special beam cannon felt like
goku holding off radditz while piccolo charged up his special beam cannon.
Let's Goooo Gohan!!!
Woo hooooo
This is a perfect time to introduce Cooler. It's been way overdue.
When the HECK are they going to finally add some more Super episodes? Is it done completely? Honestly though, I’m just happy we are finally getting the ending of Bleach!! But DBZ was the very first Anime I ever watched and it will always hold a special place in my heart.
I dunno but at least we got Dragon Ball Daima coming. Let’s hope it’s good
@@Juicersenno one is hyped for dB diama
@@Nah_id_win132 And yet everyone will watch it like with everything dragon ball
@@Juicersen Sick!!! First I’ve heard of it but I just googled it so imma go read now. Thank you for letting me know
Probably after the third season of daima 4 years from now
Talking about your opinion on how the Manga can do things better, I wanna chime in. Not to say I disagree, but I actually do agree with the mindset. There are some things that work better drawn on paper and some things work better in animation. That's just how media works at times. The plus side of that I think is that they both offer thier own unique perspective to the consumer.
Another reason the movie shouldn't have been CG. Super Hero is still my least favorite official DB thing, but I'd be a fool for not acknowledging Toyotaro's amazing artwork. His skills have improved so much.
Bro, the camera angles and subtle music of the movie made it so much better, idk what you’re even talking about. Those panels you showed were stiff af, and it looks cool in b/w but it needs color otherwise the special beam cannon doesn’t look as unique
I feel this hair length should have been the ssj3 design as it’s a very big gap between the lengths of ssj2 and 3.
This video should’ve been named “Gohan being nerfed for the manga” because he is obviously weaker in the manga than in the movie and I mean way weaker smh
I Iove how beast gohan looks hair shape looks like a parody
I also get the vibe of piccolo charging his special beam canon whilst goku holds off raditz 2:31
It’s…it’s literally the same exact thing. Gamma 1, Krillin and 18 did a bit more, but Gohan is literally shot for shot the same.
For whatever reason RUclips did NOT like this video😭 I am JUST now seeing this video wtf? Why wasn't it in my subscription tab???
I still love the meme about how his hair was so large it broke the frame above.
Not seeing that movie untill i see dragon ball
one thing woulda made it better. shoulda been fear for pans life not piccolo for the 4th time
You were so polite and on point. Again, very polite.
DB fans are getting the big stick right now from money making gimmicks and zero substance to the content.
Whether it be Tori or Toyo, someone better start actually caring about the series again.
It lost its substance with Z.
im sorry but beast gohan's hair is looking hilarious, like a fan comic
That much hair is like gohan is stuck between ssj2 and 3. XD
I have two sides
"Man, they're right. This character was done better in the manga!"
"Hehe, Gohan Blanco."
I was the 909th like, and that was my area code growing up lol
cool video btw
I mean, that's why I liked it. Made a lot of good points, dude
I always felt like they should’ve spilt buu into 3 separate beings where vegeta blows himself up killing fat buu his final W and permanent sacrifice.gohan beats buutenks viciously and gruesomely angry that he captured trunks and gotenks.then goku fights kid buu in the after life realm with the help of the Kai’s to seal kid buu away again. Because I feel like pure evil/power shouldn’t be destroyable like he’s a cosmic being that lives along side the universe. Boom how I would’ve like to see dbz end
Sounds just as bad.
@@spiro3142just as bad but not worse. Let me hear your take on how u wanted the buu saga to go I’m interested
His hair looks like if it was super saiyan 3 type of long hair but spiking up
The way I've always looked at saiyans is that bigger hair = more power 😂❤
Ive always looked at beast and orange as a personalized evolution of the ultimate form.
Shout out to black gugu 🎉😂
Wait why the fuck am I watching a Mastar Media video
I Agree his hair in the beast form is way too damn long. The only thing I love about the form is his red eyes and sliver colored hair.
Toei Animation and Akira Toriyama really did take inspiration from RUclips own Mellaelli. 😅
Adult teen Gohan lol
It’s Mystic Form Level 2! Hasn’t anyone even realized this?? Just like Gohan going super saiyan 2! Even the rage of transforming looks like when he raged to turn Ssj2! Also his transformation happened AGAIN as a result of Cell!! Anyone paying attention??
Mystic is not an form lol
@@loliconenjoyer9770It is, you can find the term "Mystic form" also in games.
The strongest in the universe is 73 or whatever becomes of Moro's angelic powers.
Do you think Toyotaro still remembers him?
Have him fight black Frieza 😂
We might just get that.
@@12MRJERSEYexactly and it makes sense
Would be crazyyyy. Gohan needs his get back for sure also from when Frieza one shots him
I just want to see Gohan spar with Goku or Vegeta now.
You got it lol
Cell had that same look when he turned ss2 in the anime lol😂
He looks like a badass kaoshin!!!
4:31 I feel like you could do a montage of that exact Krillin pose.
Gohan became my favourite character in Z and it was sad to see what he became in Super, however I'm so glad the creators have decided to make him relevant and not to focus Goku heavy.
my only thought about how beast could have been achieved, and bear with me here, this is just something i imagined, maybe since his ultimate form is suposed to be the cultivation of all his potential unlocked, maybe it held some power from every zenkai buff gohan recieved ever since he got ultimate. it would explain why gohan said that he felt the power inside but didn't know how to activate it. but idk
Its ultimate + ssj2
Gohan was in ultimate before raging just like his classic ssj2
They should just make Gohan the new protagonist. And you might say oh well Gohan does not want to be a fighter or the hero. But that's what makes him a great character. While Goku accepts his destiny and loves fighting, Gohan is the reluctant hero, who has great power thrusted upon him.
That was really great chapter
2:20
This is pretty huge. if this suggests that Gohan is less powerful than Cell Max before charging up Mankankosappo -an attack that multiplies your power- then that puts an end to all the debates surrounding Gohans strength compared to Goku, Vegeta, or Frieza.
Toriyama himself said: "Once completed, it (Cell Max) was supposed to be a metahuman that not even Broly would be able to beat, but he was forcibly activated early" and Broly is confirmed to be weaker than both Goku and Vegeta at the start of the Granola Arc by both Granolas wish and Whis himself saying he didn't know of anybody in the Universe stronger than them.
The movie was really confusing because made it look like Beast was in a different realm of power all together compared to Cell, but despite that they still chose to make him use an amped up Mankankosappo to finish him off, which should have been completely unnecessary. Definitely makes a lot more sense that Gohan was just weaker than Cell and was forced to use it.
I want to believe that the hair length is what a ssj adult Gohan would look like if his hair would of stayed longer like in his toddler days haha, and somehow this form borrows the hair from his youth… that’s how I cope with the hair and it makes it seem more cool 😅
i can hear the lying in your voice there are no dynamic camera shots, and cell changes proportions 5 times
Gohan Goat
Gohan,” nah, I’d win “
His hair is fire asf
Still think that hair gohan has in "beast" form looks funny, every time i see it reminds me of that KND episode where numbah 4 does the parody ssj transformation.
Also that form makes no sense existing
I agree about the CG bringing it down a bit. I still enjoyed it though.
They made him more good than the movie
Fenyo_n is an amazing artist 🙏
If we had him drawing the panels, I think it would be pretty fire
fenyo can replicate toriyama's style the best but he ain't a mangaka you never know how good he'll be at panelling these sequences it took toyotaro a while to get decent at panelling and speedlines
Young JiJi and Dragongarrow Lee are amazing too. I love Toyotaro’s uniqueness in his style but man what I wouldn’t give to have Dragongarrow Lee draw the manga in the saiyan saga style.
Just no.
This shyt makes no sense. Piccolo said just charge up and you’ll be good 😂😂😂😂
his hair lmao it looks like something from oney cartoons
Movie was better. He didn’t show no surprising emotions. Just “you fucked up vibes”
Lol funny joke
New Enemy is actually cell like he was intended with all the dragon ball super information. Including Beerus and the god ki sayans, Ego and UI with that black Freeza. The cell we all deserved
🤦♂️
You know what's the best about DBS Super Heroes arc?
Toriyama has more than a year to make an actually good arc while super heroes is being released
Look like the original design for ssj3
Yeah
Wanted to see cell max face against gohan beast but got Piccolo taking a beating so gohan can grow hair😂🔥🔥
Still don’t see him stronger than anybody from the previous arc & broly ( granola gas Goku vegeta Frieza )
Exactly!!! Someone that gets me!!!
Toriyama has already told us. You won't believe it until he actually crushes your favorite characters but by then you'll just complain lol Only one that is even debatable is Black Frieza.
@@dizzyb2309 your projecting 😂 keep your lil beast hogan agenda at a level one . When he fights someone with actual combat ability I’ll judge from there .
@@cashouttbready6529 The author directly speaking on this matter not being enough to sway you just means you're a fanboy of the weaker characters. Keep crying lol
His hair is just way too exaggerated.
His hair is so big that it's comical
I really don't like how he gets this new transformation. It doesn't feel like he goes past his limits into the new form out of necessity or danger or anything actually important for that matter, idk how it all happens in the manga, but the movie revolves around Piccolo trying to make Gohan understand he needs to maintain a training routine so he can fight off whatever evil comes their way, and what happens in the movie is the opposite, like bruh piccolo straight up summons shenron and gets his new form for "free".
After that, the movie kinda goes back on that track until right at the end we see Gohan transform and we think "Wow, he wasn't even training, that's just how furious he is, no more holding back, he's letting all of his power out" then they fight cell max, piccolo is beaten into a pulp for a solid 10 minutes, when it looks like he's dead gohan again goes over the edge and ends cell max.
Everyone is all right for the most part, they talk to each other blah blah blah, piccolo shows hes not actually dead, comes to gohan and says smh like "hey, that's what I meant when I said you should train regularly" and gohan goes '"Oh yeah I see what you mean, I've been training in secret the whole time, after all this time with you constantly telling me to do so, I finally did".
Bro this is so frustrating, is this even necessary? Like, this one conversation takes all the credit off of what Gohan did because we didn't get to see the training he claims he did. And I'm not even going to bring up how piccolo got transformation and out of theme it is.
It's infuriating how agressively average this movie is, it could be SO MUCH better with SUCH SMALL changes.
And your idea are even worse.
Honestly the long hair growed on me
Without it shit would be quite boring (just another hair recolor)