Would using 99 plus percent isopropyl alcohol work better than the 90 percent stuff ?? Any other additives could increase the speed of soldering ?? Nice video.
Actually no. The main ingredient here is the resin, not alcohol. The purpose of the alcohol is to spread out the resin evenly so it can seep into the stranded copper wires (or whatever that you're trying solder) evenly. When you heat up the work piece, the alcohol evaporates very quickly. The resin stays and that's what protect your work piece from being oxidized before the solder can stick and that's how your solder can stick to your work piece.
I am a chemical engineer and I did not even think to make my own flux. Interesting though because I was looking at the rosin the other day and I noticed that it said pine resin derived. Tis is so awesome!! rosin is getting expensive..Thank you for sharing this with us. I am a new subscriber now...
That's what I like about watching your videos, you're always thinking outside of the box. Not the way a typical person thinks. You remind me of me always doing different stuff. What other people see is junk, We see as treasure. Thanks again
I made pine flux when I was low on money and needed flux. At the time I had no idea how well it would work, but I gave it a shot and it worked out well. I'm glad others know the value of pine sap.
I really like your practical advice. Thanks for this instructional video about flux. I have tons of pine trees, and will never again purchase flux, no matter how cheap it is.
Rosin also called colophony, It will seal computer boards that have water damage and stop the corrosions' of the Tracks. It will seal like glass and is absolutely dilectric. It will flow under computer chips to reflow solder. It will not darken when heated to solder temperatures. If you have a boil apply some thick colophony to it ( old Indian remedies). It can be used for a drive belt dressing to stop slipping. I have been working with it for 10 yrs.
Well, in general, electrical boards are varnished and not fluxed. Such a flux, with high heating, quickly burns out and leaves a deposit, which is then difficult to wash off. Therefore, high-quality, active and higher temperature fluxes are used for BGA soldering than ordinary pine flux. Also, the flux can get into the connector and break the contact, it is then difficult to wash it off. And if this is a power contact, then it can heat up during operation and then it can burn out. Therefore, no one covers boards and connectors with flux.
Absolutely!! I make my own flux for circuit boards and wiring but also for joining copper pipes. I am using copper tubing and making a full copper dash for my 1928 Morgan hillclimb racer that I am building. I do not have a channel yet but it is coming soon.
Just a tip if I may, put the soldering iron under the wire and add solder on to top of wire. It flows much better that way, learned that way about 65 years ago as an apprentice electrician. Still, enjoyed the video.👍
We were using resin and tallow to make solder joints as a plumber in the early 60s. We used tallow as the flux after cleaning the lead pipe and dipped the solder in the tallow then into the separate resin which was dry and ground up like salt. It was easy to solder with just tallow the resin just made the solder flow a bit better and shine. We then started using Fry’s flux which was much better and brushed on. But good to see you making it.
Very helpful. Thanks. I just made up a small 20ml batch from Ponderosa Pine sap and loaded it into two small needle dispenser bottles. Haven't tried yet but I'm sure it will work great!
Interesting - thanks. I get the resin from trees on my property on my hands from time to time. didn't know I could seek it out and make flux. FUMES - If you have power for your electric soldering iron you can just plug a 6" clip fan in and angle it to blow fresh air over your face so the fumes can't get to you. I do a similar thing if I am chopping a lot of onions.
Wow!! I'm a newbie to soldering and never realized the importance of flux to get the job done, and get it done right. I stopped at all the local hardware stores looking to buy flux and nobody's got it in stock. Was just about to order some from the Net, and was wondering if there was a substitute that I could try and like divine intervention, I found your video. I can't believe it. I've got a ton of pine trees on my yard - so I'm on my way out now to collect up some pine resin and make my own!! Thank you so much for the great video. You are a true hero. ;-)
A lot of solder these days has flux inside it, in a hollow channel. Look for "flux core" on the packaging. Note that, to make that work, you need to use proper technique (use the tip of the iron to heat the metal and then melt the solder directly onto it - don't melt the solder first on the tip of the iron and _then_ touch it to the metal, because by then all the flux will have evaporated). It's fine to keep a tiny blob of solder on the tip of the iron to improve contact, but the solder you're going to apply to the metal should always be melted directly onto that metal. Also, make sure you buy _leaded_ solder. Most lead-free solder is harder to use for manual soldering, and the amount of lead used in small repairs is negligible (industrial-scale production has to use lead-free, but leaded is still fine for "home" use / repairs).
I came over from the video where you troubleshoot your car's window and fix it, I am amazed. I'm going to be sticking around, I am sure there are many things you have to teach that are up my ally! I foraged some pine sap and resin to add to mustache wax, and I read about it being used in flux, and now I could make my own. So. Cool!
@@aaroneckardt5514 Know what is really bad? You can go out and see it raining sap, and it must be highly acidic because all the plants underneath, that get hit by the globs, turn yellow.
Muy buena tu observacion de las piñas. Agradecido En tiempo atrás se agregaba un chorrito de agua a la resina y se ponía a fuego bajo/lento...y estaba listo para usarla en caliente. Así era antes en el campo...
3:57 - Just put the jar under warm / hot running water for 20 seconds or so. The resin becomes softer and the metal lid expands slightly, so it's generally very easy to open. If that's still not enough, use a jar opener (made of high friction rubber), it applies pressure very evenly , not just in 2 points like the pliers.
I did more or less the same, but i cooked off the terpenes first, which gave me nice shiny see through rosin chunks. But your method is way easier, and maybe the terpenes even help with soldering.
Im SO Glad That I Found This Video, THANK YOU , THANK YOU REALLY! This Will Come Handy. Now Just Where To Get That Alcahol, I Can Make It My Own, Ohh, Thats 3 Years In Jail In My Country :D
I bought some cheap flux from China that I been using for a while it was the first flux I ever bought when I started this hobby, it makes my throat and lungs hurt when I use it I have no idea what's in it but if it's having such effect on me I don't think it can be good, I threw it away and I went to collect some pine sap today, I live in an area that has miles of forest. I basically have unlimited amounts of colophony I wish I knew this when I started doing electronics, it's taken a while to catch up, I don't think I'll ever but commercial flux again, I wanna know exactly what i am huffing when i am heating things up It smells so good when you mix it with alcohol you almost wanna take a shot of it
V..hope you and your family 👪 had a great Christmas 🎄. Your are simply a genius. I would never in a million years think that was possible. Thanks brother 👍🏼
I believe you could find a very good supply of pine resin at the music store. You know what they say "Resin up your bow" I am thinking this is the same thing used on a violin bow. I have some here and it seems to be the same thing but much cleaner than what you show coming from the pinecones. Thank you for a great video
If you ask around (musicians, or said music store) you might score some bow resin/rosin for free, when they have broken packages. I ended up with a block that had been handled poorly and shattered, which I grabbed to make into solder flux.
If I only need a little bit of liquid flux, can I take some flux paste and add some alcohol to it to make it more liquid than paste? Good video by the way~
9:04 - That's a good point, but the problem is that, the way you did this, you're still inhaling some harmful chemicals. Rosin isn't just pure resin. It's pre-heated to boil away the terpenes. Since you didn't heat yours, those terpenes will boil away during the soldering process, and you'll end up breathing them (and some can be harmful). Not really a problem for most hobbyists, because it's a very small amount, but if you do a lot of soldering for your job and you don't always have fume extraction, you should definitely try to purify the rosin.
Did the same thing a few years ago....The same tree type aswell... works pretty good in a pinch, and free... I found a resin bleed pool.... If there is a breakage or damage to the outer bark, sometimes itll bleed a bit more and drip on the ground or the like. With the pool you can gather the hardened pool and refine as you did, with the coffee filter and such...
Holding the jar cap/covering it with your hand for a few minutes will cause the metal to expand and loosen the jar. Make sure it's cool before resealing. A 5V PC fan works well, add powerbank to make it portable
Must you use resin from pine only or can you use resin from spruce as well? When I was a teenager you could get soldering tin with flux inside the tin and it was often resin. When it comes to inhaling fumes when soldering, you should also consider that the solder many are using contains lead to lower the melting temperature.
Hello, super tuto, I'm going to look for pine resin to try this method of manufacture. Do you think it's possible to make your own solder paste, I realize that it's also a fairly expensive product and if it's possible to make your own at home I'd be curious to know how to proceed.
How to make this flux hard from a flowing one, like that hard pine flux that is sold? Maybe it needs to be heated for a long time to evaporate the alcohol?
I mix mine with petroleum jelly to make it into a paste, I collected a cup worth 7 years ago and still have 90% of it and I work with electronics daily. Alcohol is very expensive where I'm from.
@@Gieszkanne @@Gieszkanne unfortunately not here in Australia, petroleum jelly aka Vaseline is only $1.00 for around 250ml but denatured alcohol is something like $14.00per 170ml and of course it also evaporates quickly. Petroleum jelly is what is used in all long lasting fluxes especially ones made with pine rosin as I stated.
@@hulkgqnissanpatrol6121 That is crazy. In Germany you can get 1l denautred a. for 3€ everywhere. Isoprpanol is harder to get but still 1l is around 10€. But the rosin dont realy solute in the petro jelly. But I guess it doesnt have to at least when the heat will be applied, it will do its work.
Isopropyl alcohol only affects the viscosity of the resin. Add more alcohol if you like it to be less viscous. Alcohol evaporates quickly and it does not affect the solder.
Would using 99 plus percent isopropyl alcohol work better than the 90 percent stuff ?? Any other additives could increase the speed of soldering ?? Nice video.
Actually no. The main ingredient here is the resin, not alcohol. The purpose of the alcohol is to spread out the resin evenly so it can seep into the stranded copper wires (or whatever that you're trying solder) evenly. When you heat up the work piece, the alcohol evaporates very quickly. The resin stays and that's what protect your work piece from being oxidized before the solder can stick and that's how your solder can stick to your work piece.
@@vuaeco Got it fella. How about using rosin from different species of trees increase the effectiveness of the soldering paste Sir ??
@@vuaecoI see on google ingredient base to make dense with emulsifier or gel, but to many varieties emulsifier or gel with some code.
Ese Flux cómo lo fabrican
@@victoryfirst2878 I tried palm tree resin but it does not dissolve in alcohol. So it's a no for palm. Maybe some other species might work.
I am a chemical engineer and I did not even think to make my own flux. Interesting though because I was looking at the rosin the other day and I noticed that it said pine resin derived. Tis is so awesome!! rosin is getting expensive..Thank you for sharing this with us. I am a new subscriber now...
Many useful substances can be obtained from resin.
That's what I like about watching your videos, you're always thinking outside of the box. Not the way a typical person thinks. You remind me of me always doing different stuff. What other people see is junk, We see as treasure. Thanks again
I made pine flux when I was low on money and needed flux. At the time I had no idea how well it would work, but I gave it a shot and it worked out well. I'm glad others know the value of pine sap.
I really like your practical advice. Thanks for this instructional video about flux. I have tons of pine trees, and will never again purchase flux, no matter how cheap it is.
Rosin also called colophony, It will seal computer boards that have water damage and stop the corrosions' of the Tracks. It will seal like glass and is absolutely dilectric. It will flow under computer chips to reflow solder. It will not darken when heated to solder temperatures. If you have a boil apply some thick colophony to it ( old Indian remedies). It can be used for a drive belt dressing to stop slipping. I have been working with it for 10 yrs.
Well, in general, electrical boards are varnished and not fluxed. Such a flux, with high heating, quickly burns out and leaves a deposit, which is then difficult to wash off. Therefore, high-quality, active and higher temperature fluxes are used for BGA soldering than ordinary pine flux. Also, the flux can get into the connector and break the contact, it is then difficult to wash it off. And if this is a power contact, then it can heat up during operation and then it can burn out. Therefore, no one covers boards and connectors with flux.
My understanding is that natural rosin is acidic
And bow string. Musical like violins and such not archery.
VERY useful information, thank you!
Making your own whatever when you can is always better than store bought.
Self-reliance is a good thing...
yes
Absolutely!! I make my own flux for circuit boards and wiring but also for joining copper pipes. I am using copper tubing and making a full copper dash for my 1928 Morgan hillclimb racer that I am building. I do not have a channel yet but it is coming soon.
Just a tip if I may, put the soldering iron under the wire and add solder on to top of wire. It flows much better that way, learned that way about 65 years ago as an apprentice electrician. Still, enjoyed the video.👍
We were using resin and tallow to make solder joints as a plumber in the early 60s. We used tallow as the flux after cleaning the lead pipe and dipped the solder in the tallow then into the separate resin which was dry and ground up like salt. It was easy to solder with just tallow the resin just made the solder flow a bit better and shine. We then started using Fry’s flux which was much better and brushed on.
But good to see you making it.
Always pumping out great videos to help the average person. All your ancestors, going back to the beginning, are proud of you. 👍
Very helpful. Thanks. I just made up a small 20ml batch from Ponderosa Pine sap and loaded it into two small needle dispenser bottles. Haven't tried yet but I'm sure it will work great!
Interesting - thanks. I get the resin from trees on my property on my hands from time to time. didn't know I could seek it out and make flux.
FUMES - If you have power for your electric soldering iron you can just plug a 6" clip fan in and angle it to blow fresh air over your face so the fumes can't get to you. I do a similar thing if I am chopping a lot of onions.
I have used pine sap for temporary tooth filling to get rid of pain until I can get to the dentist.
Thanks for another use.
Wow!! I'm a newbie to soldering and never realized the importance of flux to get the job done, and get it done right. I stopped at all the local hardware stores looking to buy flux and nobody's got it in stock. Was just about to order some from the Net, and was wondering if there was a substitute that I could try and like divine intervention, I found your video. I can't believe it. I've got a ton of pine trees on my yard - so I'm on my way out now to collect up some pine resin and make my own!! Thank you so much for the great video. You are a true hero. ;-)
A lot of solder these days has flux inside it, in a hollow channel. Look for "flux core" on the packaging. Note that, to make that work, you need to use proper technique (use the tip of the iron to heat the metal and then melt the solder directly onto it - don't melt the solder first on the tip of the iron and _then_ touch it to the metal, because by then all the flux will have evaporated).
It's fine to keep a tiny blob of solder on the tip of the iron to improve contact, but the solder you're going to apply to the metal should always be melted directly onto that metal.
Also, make sure you buy _leaded_ solder. Most lead-free solder is harder to use for manual soldering, and the amount of lead used in small repairs is negligible (industrial-scale production has to use lead-free, but leaded is still fine for "home" use / repairs).
Absolutely fantastic I'm definitely going to give this a try I had no idea that it would be that easy 🤯👌.
I came over from the video where you troubleshoot your car's window and fix it, I am amazed. I'm going to be sticking around, I am sure there are many things you have to teach that are up my ally! I foraged some pine sap and resin to add to mustache wax, and I read about it being used in flux, and now I could make my own. So. Cool!
Im So Glad I Have Pine Forest Near By
No way! this is amazing. we have pine trees all around where we live.
I personally like to vaporize my weed rosin. I might give it a try next time on some copper wire/pipes.
Very nice howto and another use for my pine resin. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the tips. I have pine trees all over my region and know the pine cones are loaded with it a well in the fall.
Love your accent. And thanks so much for thestorahe tips, andshowing me gow to make this!! I have pine everywhere around me.
My home is in constant danger of being destroyed my 100-foot tall pine trees. So much sap so now I have a use for it.
In a way you can (or maybe should) consider yourself lucky, living in an environment where you got some nature!
I'll take some. You can refine it into many other things.
@@aaroneckardt5514 Know what is really bad? You can go out and see it raining sap, and it must be highly acidic because all the plants underneath, that get hit by the globs, turn yellow.
Well well well... looks like i love pines even more
Muy buena tu observacion de las piñas. Agradecido
En tiempo atrás se agregaba un chorrito de agua a la resina y se ponía a fuego bajo/lento...y estaba listo para usarla en caliente.
Así era antes en el campo...
I did the same, but I used spirit instead. Works as well.
3:57 - Just put the jar under warm / hot running water for 20 seconds or so. The resin becomes softer and the metal lid expands slightly, so it's generally very easy to open. If that's still not enough, use a jar opener (made of high friction rubber), it applies pressure very evenly , not just in 2 points like the pliers.
Maybe a bit of vaseline on the treads might stop it sticking ? 🤔
This is great. Ive just come across your channel & have subbed. You are meticulous & articulate sir. Thankyou. I look forward to more in future
I did more or less the same, but i cooked off the terpenes first, which gave me nice shiny see through rosin chunks. But your method is way easier, and maybe the terpenes even help with soldering.
I am new in the game when it come to soldering and I've made big mistakes too. Thanks for this video. I will be a Pro after watching this video. 🤣
Great video as usual, I learn a lot from your video, keep up the good work
Awesome thanks. There are quite a few uses for pine resin.
I have learned a lot from you, keep it up man 🙂
Wow this is amazing!
The knowledge is the most important thing in the universe.
Truly a great video! Incredibly useful information! Thank you so much! I did not know that was all it takes. Amazing!
I tried this and it is very sticky and i mean very sticky, but it smelled nice 😀
It smells great
Im SO Glad That I Found This Video, THANK YOU , THANK YOU REALLY! This Will Come Handy. Now Just Where To Get That Alcahol, I Can Make It My Own, Ohh, Thats 3 Years In Jail In My Country :D
Thank you for sharing!
Very good videos.
protip: Hold your breath when soldering downwind w/o a fume extractor. 2nd protip: use a wire brush or brush attachment to remove resin.
I bought some cheap flux from China that I been using for a while it was the first flux I ever bought when I started this hobby, it makes my throat and lungs hurt when I use it
I have no idea what's in it but if it's having such effect on me I don't think it can be good, I threw it away and I went to collect some pine sap today, I live in an area that has miles of forest.
I basically have unlimited amounts of colophony I wish I knew this when I started doing electronics, it's taken a while to catch up, I don't think I'll ever but commercial flux again, I wanna know exactly what i am huffing when i am heating things up
It smells so good when you mix it with alcohol you almost wanna take a shot of it
V..hope you and your family 👪 had a great Christmas 🎄. Your are simply a genius. I would never in a million years think that was possible. Thanks brother 👍🏼
Thanks Mil, I wish the same to you, too.
I believe you could find a very good supply of pine resin at the music store. You know what they say "Resin up your bow" I am thinking this is the same thing used on a violin bow. I have some here and it seems to be the same thing but much cleaner than what you show coming from the pinecones. Thank you for a great video
It's the same stuff, just been filtered to be clean.
If you ask around (musicians, or said music store) you might score some bow resin/rosin for free, when they have broken packages.
I ended up with a block that had been handled poorly and shattered, which I grabbed to make into solder flux.
That is a great idea. I know just where to go. Thank you. @@heyallenify
thinking of inhaling fumes, does cannabis resin work as flux? asking for a friend...
Thank you sir 😁 i will definitely use this trick
Did it a long time ago, MUCH BETTER THAN THE chinese stuff I bought on aliexpress.
Wow! This really is interesting... I will have to try it. Thanks!
You can also buy gum rosin from stores cheap
thanks man, from the Caribbean
Great trick… Thank you! 👍🏼
THANK YOU FOR THE INFO
Wow this is amazing, thank you for sharing
Brother you have some awesome work thank you keep it up please
Some say you can also use denatured ethanol (94%) as solvent, which is even cheaper.
If I only need a little bit of liquid flux, can I take some flux paste and add some alcohol to it to make it more liquid than paste? Good video by the way~
Good to know. Thank you 🎉
ThanQ U so much
Is it okay to use acid instead of alcohol
Thanks for the video, I have some desolving as we write
Thank you Sir.
does carolina pine trees make good resin?
Thanks for the novel idea ; good luck Buddy !
Awesome tip!!
Great idea --thankyou --but PINE trees are hens teeth in Central Africa --now for a long journey ----got to find those cones 1!!!!
Interesting, Which other trees can produce usable soldering flux?
Nearly all trees with so called needles instead of leaves.
Great trick! Thanks!
👍 you have a new subscriber 👍
9:04 - That's a good point, but the problem is that, the way you did this, you're still inhaling some harmful chemicals. Rosin isn't just pure resin. It's pre-heated to boil away the terpenes. Since you didn't heat yours, those terpenes will boil away during the soldering process, and you'll end up breathing them (and some can be harmful). Not really a problem for most hobbyists, because it's a very small amount, but if you do a lot of soldering for your job and you don't always have fume extraction, you should definitely try to purify the rosin.
Dmso too.
And DHMO.
Some terpenes are very healthy even healing!
Great video
About to go collect pine cones on my electric scooter lol
Did the same thing a few years ago....The same tree type aswell... works pretty good in a pinch, and free...
I found a resin bleed pool.... If there is a breakage or damage to the outer bark, sometimes itll bleed a bit more and drip on the ground or the like. With the pool you can gather the hardened pool and refine as you did, with the coffee filter and such...
I did this almost 40 years ago when I was a kid and started to learn electronic.
Nice trick to get flux
Very cool thx
Thank you for this awesome video! I hope you're doing well!
Thank you for sharing!
Holding the jar cap/covering it with your hand for a few minutes will cause the metal to expand and loosen the jar. Make sure it's cool before resealing. A 5V PC fan works well, add powerbank to make it portable
Must you use resin from pine only or can you use resin from spruce as well? When I was a teenager you could get soldering tin with flux inside the tin and it was often resin.
When it comes to inhaling fumes when soldering, you should also consider that the solder many are using contains lead to lower the melting temperature.
Any thoughts on other tree resins...damar, frankincense?
what do you do with the stickiness of Resin Flux ?
And for filter use coffee paper filter .
Hello, super tuto, I'm going to look for pine resin to try this method of manufacture. Do you think it's possible to make your own solder paste, I realize that it's also a fairly expensive product and if it's possible to make your own at home I'd be curious to know how to proceed.
Happen to have a link to the glass bottles with cork you used in this video?
NICE BRAVO
I mean yea but I've been soldering for 25 years and still have the same flux
I mean, yeah, you need to solder more! :D
@@vuaeco lol
Great idea! Thank you.
Nice ! Thank you :-)
How to make this flux hard from a flowing one, like that hard pine flux that is sold? Maybe it needs to be heated for a long time to evaporate the alcohol?
Good stuff
This is how soldering resin was made back in the 1920s.
Thank you.
I mix mine with petroleum jelly to make it into a paste, I collected a cup worth 7 years ago and still have 90% of it and I work with electronics daily.
Alcohol is very expensive where I'm from.
Some say you can also use denatured ethanol (94%) as solvent, which is cheaper.
@@Gieszkanne @@Gieszkanne unfortunately not here in Australia,
petroleum jelly aka Vaseline is only $1.00 for around 250ml but denatured alcohol is something like $14.00per 170ml and of course it also evaporates quickly.
Petroleum jelly is what is used in all long lasting fluxes especially ones made with pine rosin as I stated.
@@hulkgqnissanpatrol6121 That is crazy. In Germany you can get 1l denautred a. for 3€ everywhere. Isoprpanol is harder to get but still 1l is around 10€. But the rosin dont realy solute in the petro jelly. But I guess it doesnt have to at least when the heat will be applied, it will do its work.
Does the resin have to be dry or can it be gooey? Thanks
Great stuff
Nice!
Use some Everclear'...The prep: one part for resin project...one part internal ingestion.. It makes any project less tedious.
I like your style hahaa
Good idea thanks for sharing
Perfect soulution. Thanks
Great video
Thanks for sharing
Can I know where is available of this material s to make in my place we couldn't find the tree
Does the isopropyl alcohol only affect the viscosity of the resin or also the ability for it to be used on solder?
Isopropyl alcohol only affects the viscosity of the resin. Add more alcohol if you like it to be less viscous. Alcohol evaporates quickly and it does not affect the solder.
Do you ever make flux oaste and if so how would you do that?