@sailing All correct. Would like to see them sail in heavy weather! The Russian ship builders always design similar ships as Blohm und Voss. Therefore they look a little bit like the Bismarck class. But...
Nothing on the seas of today quite compares to the Kirovs - they are the king of area denial sea vessels; they can drive around indefinitely and are fully capable of incapacitating any modern surface vessel, or potentially their entire group, in one engagement. The anti-ship missiles the Soviets invented and the Russians perfected are unparalleled to this day, and the Kirovs have the tracking hardware to deliver them en masse. Nimitzes are sweet too, but only if they get where they need to go.
Dunno. They're designed for a very asymmetrical kind of confrontation against the US carrier fleets - where a single Kirov-class stands off and attacks via missiles, while the US carriers would defend themselves with airplanes. So, it's really hard to put up a ranking. It's like comparing an MBT to a SP-howitzer.
I totally agree man. This class is absolutely deadly and im astonished that something with so much weaponry actuallyc ame out of a shipyard, and in my opinion, when they came out, a lone kirov, Yuri Andropov to be exact could have easily resisted an attack against it by a British Carrier Group, or an American SAG, perhaps even a US Carrier Battle Group Basically, this thing is a nuclear powered floating castle of SAM's, CIWS's and Granits!
@azpowerhitter: that's right, but I think Russian have always centre is main strategy in continental control trough ground forces, they have ground access to a large part of the world
@Kamradec Apparently, the reactors on these ships are pretty seriously deteriorated, due to age (Kirov/ Admiral Ushakov is 31 years old) and years of deferred maintenance. Currently, only the youngest ship, Peter the Great is sailing, Admiral Nakhimov, the second youngest is set to finish a 13 year refit next year, and the others are "planned" to be refitted, although the age, expense, massive crew compliment and poor condition may have something to say about that
I am a American and i fucking love this class! :) in my opinion they are the most beautiful ships out there! Though i do believe they are in desperate need of a tune up. :(
great ship no doubt. One major problem for the Kirov class is its massive radar signature. In a war it would be fighting aircraft firing missiles from hundreds of miles away. In modern navel engagement USA has 12 active super carriers with 4 more being built right now. Russia has only one active carrier the Admiral Koznetsov. The kirov class has excellent electronic counter measures...but no C.M. in the world can stop everything. USA has stealth cruise missiles...wow
i am so sad russia retired the ural project, practically the same ship as kirov but instead of a battlecruiser was a super communications cruiser capable of having direct communications with the MIR space station, those combiner with kirov cruisers could be the best fleet out there, the superpower of this ship + super radars able to detect things even 1000 km away
@azpowerhitter Stealth cruise at about 600MHP and in tests can get to within 12-8 miles of target before they are detected. about a 2min lead time roughly to react to incoming threat if factored from ten miles out Multiple missiles coming from multiple bearings. No ship in the world has a 100 percent success rate against such threats.
I have always loved the Kirov class , beautiful ships with a graceful hull shape , if only the RN had something like them :D, They truly are the last battleships. However , I wonder how they would perform in war. I mean their designated role would be to hunt down carrier groups and destroy them with missiles , However , I reckon they have to be regaurded as symbols of national prestige , I mean It would be quite easy for one of them to be taken out by a guided missile destroyer
No ship can withstand a nuclear explosion at less than 1 km. Still some ships, including the Kirov-class, have extremely good antimissile defences which COULD enhance a bit their chances of preventing an incoming attack.
Don't wanna argue about P-700. About carriers. Several years ago we built one... for China. Another one soon will be finished... and gone to India. Projects of own carriers were started and closed many times. It's expensive and we don't really need one because we are not the ones who bomb countries thousends miles away (enough own oil). And if some "young democraties" begin to think that washington support is enough to start a little victorious war here, we don' need a carrier to kick ass.
Oh I know that , I am an officer in the RN :D ,so I think I can identify a battleship from a guided missile cruiser , but I was comenting on their size mainly
Well , who cares , I mean in this day and age (fingers crossed touch wood) , two nations with powerful carrier battle groups are not going to go to war with each other - and I mean the Kirovs are the ultimate power projection vessels , and they are just so pretty - I mean they are really a design master piece do you know how long they will serve for ?
I was just Reading over a few comments, this class of ships have some superior fire power but and a very big but, they need drastic modernisation. I read that two are up for modernisation but at the mo if it came to it I don't think they'll be battle ready for some of the new and futuristic ships that the USA and Uk have, but scary looking things they are lol
"I mean It would be quite easy for one of them to be taken out by a guided missile destroyer " Explain why. Kirov has strongest defence systems. Biggest threat are submarines.
@77shadowknight immense aren't they? In every sense. One criticism of them at the time I believe was that they were as high value a target as the class of ship they were intended to counter (US carriers). Not a bad criticism to have levelled at one....
Do you know what P-700 rocket is? After the launch group of rockets go to the tagert in radio contact. One goes at high altitude and see the whole battlefield, sorts tagerts by importance and share information with other missles. If it is down another takes its place automathicly. Others go close to water invisible. And it is supersonic. Even if you hit it, it nevertheless hit the targret becouse of it's high weight and speed. Another words its more intelligent then you. Poor Nimitz...
@sailingforde04 No, I did not serve on them, as a German they will not allow me! But I know from the German Democratic Republic navy the food on Russian ships is a disaster, similar to HMS Victory at 1804!
@ludgidia123 Communism is a great ideology but to be more sufficient it needs some reforms to be more free than it was before in the cccp for example .
wrong they are the biggest surface combaten (surface warship) this does not count in the Aircraft carriers. then it is the biggest non aircraft carring vessel afloat.
can you explain to me why they are being taken out of service They were the most powerful surface combatants and yep once upon a time they were more powerful than any destroyer I think a Arleigh Burke or Daring class destroyer could take out one of the Kirovs. No ship is imortal and in the advent of guided missile warfare if a missile did find its way through the defence systems severe damage would be caused or it would sink Their defence systems are not as advanced as HMS Darings
Nice tribute to these magnificent vessels!
@sailing
All correct.
Would like to see them sail in heavy weather!
The Russian ship builders always design similar ships as Blohm und Voss. Therefore they look a little bit like the Bismarck class.
But...
Nothing on the seas of today quite compares to the Kirovs - they are the king of area denial sea vessels; they can drive around indefinitely and are fully capable of incapacitating any modern surface vessel, or potentially their entire group, in one engagement. The anti-ship missiles the Soviets invented and the Russians perfected are unparalleled to this day, and the Kirovs have the tracking hardware to deliver them en masse. Nimitzes are sweet too, but only if they get where they need to go.
@77shadowknight oh they are. Admiral Nakhimov is goin under repairs and upgrading as we speak. The other two just started the overhaul
Yes, they are still active and they are the most powerfull ships in the world. No other ship has such armament like Kirov class.
those are great carrier killers with those Granits
@Kamradec Yes it is they will be in the Fleet soon the 2nd ship will be in the sea in early 2012. The rest around 2015 also new class is planned! :)
Dunno. They're designed for a very asymmetrical kind of confrontation against the US carrier fleets - where a single Kirov-class stands off and attacks via missiles, while the US carriers would defend themselves with airplanes. So, it's really hard to put up a ranking. It's like comparing an MBT to a SP-howitzer.
Bring out the New Jersey and that relic is toast
Yeah nice meme
one is in service at the moment, 1 is in overhaul, 2 are in reserves and are awaiting overhaul and all 4 should be re launched before 2020
Kirov reporting!))
one of the most impressive ships ever...
I totally agree man. This class is absolutely deadly and im astonished that something with so much weaponry actuallyc ame out of a shipyard, and in my opinion, when they came out, a lone kirov, Yuri Andropov to be exact could have easily resisted an attack against it by a British Carrier Group, or an American SAG, perhaps even a US Carrier Battle Group
Basically, this thing is a nuclear powered floating castle of SAM's, CIWS's and Granits!
praise in the kirov name! airship and naval ship!
@azpowerhitter: that's right, but I think Russian have always centre is main strategy in continental control trough ground forces, they have ground access to a large part of the world
@Kamradec Apparently, the reactors on these ships are pretty seriously deteriorated, due to age (Kirov/ Admiral Ushakov is 31 years old) and years of deferred maintenance. Currently, only the youngest ship, Peter the Great is sailing, Admiral Nakhimov, the second youngest is set to finish a 13 year refit next year, and the others are "planned" to be refitted, although the age, expense, massive crew compliment and poor condition may have something to say about that
I am a American and i fucking love this class! :)
in my opinion they are the most beautiful ships out there!
Though i do believe they are in desperate need of a tune up. :(
great ship no doubt. One major problem for the Kirov class is its massive radar signature. In a war it would be fighting aircraft firing missiles from hundreds of miles away. In modern navel engagement USA has 12 active super carriers with 4 more being built right now. Russia has only one active carrier the Admiral Koznetsov. The kirov class has excellent electronic counter measures...but no C.M. in the world can stop everything. USA has stealth cruise missiles...wow
i am so sad russia retired the ural project, practically the same ship as kirov but instead of a battlecruiser was a super communications cruiser capable of having direct communications with the MIR space station, those combiner with kirov cruisers could be the best fleet out there, the superpower of this ship + super radars able to detect things even 1000 km away
@azpowerhitter Stealth cruise at about 600MHP and in tests can get to within 12-8 miles of target before they are detected. about a 2min lead time roughly to react to incoming threat if factored from ten miles out Multiple missiles coming from multiple bearings. No ship in the world has a 100 percent success rate against such threats.
I have always loved the Kirov class , beautiful ships with a graceful hull shape , if only the RN had something like them :D, They truly are the last battleships. However , I wonder how they would perform in war. I mean their designated role would be to hunt down carrier groups and destroy them with missiles , However , I reckon they have to be regaurded as symbols of national prestige , I mean It would be quite easy for one of them to be taken out by a guided missile destroyer
No ship can withstand a nuclear explosion at less than 1 km. Still some ships, including the Kirov-class, have extremely good antimissile defences which COULD enhance a bit their chances of preventing an incoming attack.
@steamingpoopfart no there are 2 left the peter the great in russian navy and Konigs berg ex Kalinin in my homeland navy of kaliningrad
Don't wanna argue about P-700. About carriers. Several years ago we built one... for China. Another one soon will be finished... and gone to India. Projects of own carriers were started and closed many times. It's expensive and we don't really need one because we are not the ones who bomb countries thousends miles away (enough own oil). And if some "young democraties" begin to think that washington support is enough to start a little victorious war here, we don' need a carrier to kick ass.
First time I saw this ship I thought to myself "there's a Silver Star that hasn't happened yet"
The old soviet anthem was changed a bit and adapted and it's now also the anthem of the russian federation.
missile cruiser Peter It is unique the ship! It one can combat with two fleet of the enemy! Its characteristics are secret!
Oh I know that , I am an officer in the RN :D ,so I think I can identify a battleship from a guided missile cruiser , but I was comenting on their size mainly
they arent... 1 is fully operational and 2 are undergoing mass overhauls... 1 is set to return to service in 2010, and the other in 2012
Well , who cares , I mean in this day and age (fingers crossed touch wood) , two nations with powerful carrier battle groups are not going to go to war with each other - and I mean the Kirovs are the ultimate power projection vessels , and they are just so pretty - I mean they are really a design master piece
do you know how long they will serve for ?
I was just Reading over a few comments, this class of ships have some superior fire power but and a very big but, they need drastic modernisation. I read that two are up for modernisation but at the mo if it came to it I don't think they'll be battle ready for some of the new and futuristic ships that the USA and Uk have, but scary looking things they are lol
"I mean It would be quite easy for one of them to be taken out by a guided missile destroyer "
Explain why. Kirov has strongest defence systems.
Biggest threat are submarines.
@77shadowknight immense aren't they? In every sense. One criticism of them at the time I believe was that they were as high value a target as the class of ship they were intended to counter (US carriers). Not a bad criticism to have levelled at one....
this ship is biger than an aricraft craryar
i think that only ''Great Peter'' is still in service..are there any plans for the rest of the ships?
actually, the kirovs are the 2nd biggetst war vessesls afloat, 2nd only to nimitz
@StasTarasov
Not bigger than American Nimitz Class or Enterprise Class carriers
Because the dream has not died.
I know many people who still believe in the ideals of communism.
Do you know what P-700 rocket is? After the launch group of rockets go to the tagert in radio contact. One goes at high altitude and see the whole battlefield, sorts tagerts by importance and share information with other missles. If it is down another takes its place automathicly. Others go close to water invisible. And it is supersonic. Even if you hit it, it nevertheless hit the targret becouse of it's high weight and speed. Another words its more intelligent then you. Poor Nimitz...
movie....
I heard news that two of these babies that were to be scrapped are also pulled out for complete rebuilding. Is that true?
@sailingforde04
No, I did not serve on them, as a German they will not allow me!
But I know from the German Democratic Republic navy the food on Russian ships is a disaster, similar to HMS Victory at 1804!
@ludgidia123 Communism is a great ideology but to be more sufficient it needs some reforms to be more free than it was before in the cccp for example .
@sailingforde04
These ships are national symbols, not more. All you said is correct.
Sorry, I would like things were different!
Why does everyone keep using the national anthem of the Soviet Union? God, give it a rest.
wrong they are the biggest surface combaten (surface warship) this does not count in the Aircraft carriers. then it is the biggest non aircraft carring vessel afloat.
Different circumstances, way different.
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Have you served on them then ?
can you explain to me why they are being taken out of service They were the most powerful surface combatants and yep once upon a time they were more powerful than any destroyer I think a Arleigh Burke or Daring class destroyer could take out one of the Kirovs. No ship is imortal and in the advent of guided missile warfare if a missile did find its way through the defence systems severe damage would be caused or it would sink Their defence systems are not as advanced as HMS Darings
Gatman
what are you blabbering about??
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@ludgidia123 Yeah look at Obama