Great stuff, the more vic and aus made product the better. The only competing product I see is ISI, I see strengths and drawbacks in both designs but yours is by far a more refined system. I've got the ISI and I love it, but if I was in the market now I reckon i'd be going with this.
I really really appreciate your process and transparency, truly outstanding RUclips channel! Even more so, as I very rarely would take the same path to your finished project. So it’s great to see a different approach and outcome from my natural perspective and progression.
Indeed, my dad was an engineered trained architect who also designed knockdown furniture systems, my oldest brother is a pattern maker who designs and builds fine furniture, and I used to design and build timber framed structures and systems; even though we are all related we approach and work on things completely differently.
Dudes this video is so freaking awesome as a case study for kids at school for so many aspects of the industrial arts curriculums in industrial technology design and technology and engineering. And also my 7 yr old daughter that just won the yr 1 science and technology award at her school who has a rang of learning issues just lov d how you talk d about your failures and how you redesigned after each. Sh just loves designing solutions to problems. And at 7 has such an amazing ability to problem solve. And this video has inspired her so much. Thanks for an awesome video guys.
Richard you have really inspired my little motivated twins even more to be wanting to build their own 4WD Ute with their dad as their first car and they talk about building it as having quality time with their dad and as a single dad having girls that want to be involved in making their own special built car THEY have designed is just so awesome.
@@ShedtimE-q5y This is such a nice wholesome comment. I am so glad to be able to make content that enriches the lives of young children, very cool indeed. I am so stoked to have inspired your twins to build their own 4wd ute with you! Thanks for commenting, made my day!
That's an impressive rack design! One feature I particularly appreciate about my Rocky Mounts Rail is its stow-away position. When not in use, it conveniently folds up, minimizing the space it occupies.
Its interesting, we have legal problems with stowing away bike racks here in Australia and I have personally had a friend fined for leaving it on the car without a bike!
I can't imagine what shipping to Canada would look like, I love this design! The only thing I would change is to make it foldable...for more parking clearance when it's not being used.
Not as bad as you may think. That's a fair point, we are opting towards swingaway but would love to get your thoughts on swingaway vs folding. Folding is great for leaving it on the car, however I think a lot of users are more likely to take it off and want access to the back while their bikes are on it?
@DesignedandBuilt for my situation fold away is more important, but on my van I'd prefer swing away for sure! I bet engineering them both in would be a huge PITA....lol
Love your work and your channel. Fantastic video explaining the design, prototyping, manufacturing, testing iteration cycle ... endless hours involved and brilliant product as a result. Can you please do the same hitch rack solution for dirt/adventure bikes?
Thanks Mike, I am currently work on one for a dirt bike. It is complicated offering for the adventure bikes as well given the extra weight. I think maybe we'll do the dirt bike carrier first and then launch adventure later! I have a few cool ideas either way which will make the user interface much nicer!
Awesome video, I’ve been pretty happy with Yakima for about 7 years, however I wouldn’t trust my enduro to stay in place under bush bashing conditions. Product looks great!
how do you open a tail gate / lift gate being loaded? Went with the Kuat NV because it can also drop down to allow your gates to open and have access to the rear being loaded and you have a bike repair stand in one stand as well with the rack
Currently we you can't if it is loaded, the only option is to take the bikes off. We are working on something, but just wanted to get the base offering dialled first!!
Nice work Rich. I like the crank hold down design. I have a Thule platform rack which is a bike frame clamp style rack. It’s alloy and has a hinge, so I can lower a loaded rack to access the boot of the car. It’s fine for carrying 4 sub 10kg road bikes, but would collapse under the weight of several emtb’s or any high g whoops etc. So many variables, you can’t build a one size fits all. A bit like the bikes themselves!
Exactly right, there are so many product options on the market because everyone has different needs! Just like bikes themselves. Cheers Rhys, appreciate the support!!
I build a vertical rack to fit onto a swingaway i build forbmy 80 series. Its not up to gen 4 as it get modifietoto fit on our Oka and the tyre swing away i build for it. R&D is so interesting and hard work also. Great looking build guys. Cant wait to see more.
el video con traducción creo que es de lo mejor que se le ha podido ocurrir - el producto es una maravilla felicitaciones. ojala pudieran habilitar la traducción para los videos de la construcción de la camioneta, nuevamente felicitaciones
Something that came to my mined is the materials your using in terms of elastic-plastic-failure. Is your welded areas are your failure areas due to dynamic loading, would you consider a spring hinge or shock absorber? Trucks trays use simple springs within floating plates to allow twist and shock to reduce stress. Your rack could have an adjustable spring / shocky to cater for the lever of 2 or 4 bikes
Love your work guys, love the engineering iteration. I stick to a 4 bike vertical as it extends the vehicle overhang less. I look forward to seeing the mx bike rack, I have the bike and ebay carrier too
Very cool design! Suggestion for the elastic loop: If you mount it upside down in the T-bracket (with the ball down) it will be easier to keep it out of the way of the tires. When securing it you pull it around the bracket and the wheel and when you release it the elastic pulls itself back into the 'off-position'.
@@DesignedandBuilt My thought was to keep it always with the ball-end down and to use it pull the ball end up, wrap it around the T-bracket and the wheel and then lock it. If you release it the elastic will pull itself back around to the start position. I see now that this way might interfere with the tail lights....
@@DesignedandBuilt who doesn't love a coffee in the morning? Put your hands up? Add that to planet twisting torque and you've got a head snapping combo. Kinda like your serpentine belts... #uptheTD
Having spent more money than I care to think about on bike racks, this seems like a great design. I've currently got fork mount roof racks, but my wife does struggle. These look like a good caravan option too as it could be mounted to a custom receiver on the a-frame (above the gas bottles perhaps)... I'd love to see some video updates as you sell more, I just can't commit to another bike rack right now... :)
Looks awesome Richard and Richard 👌🏼😋 I’ve got an ISI rack on my Prado 120 and it’s great.. (made in Melbourne too) but I’d buy yours if if came out 6mths ago (when I was shopping around for one) Your rack if fairly priced too 👌🏼
@@DesignedandBuilt same here. Had to buy ISI mid last year for the 79 because nothing else with clearance and strength was available. If I knew both you and Murray were involved in this I would have waited and matched it sandy taupe!
Great work lads!! Wicked carrier; really filling a gap in the market. Be great if you adapted these to caravan and camper trailer applications too!!?? I especially loved the crank to secure the bike. So neat, so simple! Well done!
Hey mate, we are working on a swing-away but it will be a few months away. For now we would recommend using the Kuat swingaway which is compatible with our rack!
was pleasantly surprised when I had a look at the pricing..........quite competitive I think. sadly I don't think I'll wear out my grip sport rack unless I change bikes where the cross bar will get damaged
Did you guys try out the 1Up racks from Washington, US? I personally would be worried about the rim and crank contact leaving wear marks versus the 1UP solution only touching the tires.
We have seem minimal crank wear through our testing! They are more likely to get scratched from your pedalling. We have never experience rim scratching, I think it is impossible with out setup! We have seen that but believe ours is more solid and quicker to load, ours also has lights and a number plate which are a legal requirement in Australia, and a pretty good thing to have for bike/vehicle safety!
@@DesignedandBuilt, thanks for the reply and I guess this is more suited to Australia, (which makes sense) in NA lights aren't required but not difficult to add on as I agree it's safer, this appears to mainly be just for MTB too.
Why not make some sort of padded seesaw cradle that holds the down tube of the frame? Have it attach at that point with elastic bands and a shackle ratchet padlock that can secure the frame to the seesaw saddle. On the swivel point of the seesaw which would be a bolt and nut with no hex ends but rather a hole through the ends where the shackle ratchet lock goes through securing all together so it can’t be undone. That way the weight of the bike is mostly secured centrally and not on the tyres. The tyres can still be secured with straps and would reduce the possibility of tyre tray supports breaking.
I think any sort of frame contact will lead to frame damage, it’s all good when they are both clean but putting a muddy bike on something like you are describing wears the paint out and it’s not ideal if you have an expensive bike!
A few people have commented that, I have never actually seen one (had a good look on google this week. Carbon cranks will be fine! We have been testing our inserts with mates road bikes without any issues!
Yes we have encountered them with mates road bikes. We understand some just run them on one arm- which can be on the sprocket side. Some are also in the crank arm which doesn't affect loading. But if on both pedals then yes it won't load and pedal will need to be taken off when loading in rack.
Love it. Great Video and great product. I develop products for the Australian 4wd aftermarket too and know how difficult and painfull the process can be, but also how incredibly rewarding it is too. I do have a question though. You mentioned legalities. How did you get around the maximum legal overhang rules? The research I did when looking into it found that barely any vehicles on the market today satisfy the 60% overhang rules with a bike rack, and of the dual cab utes, i dont think any did. My Colorado only has something like a few hundred mm at most.
Hey Mate, for Victoria the maximum overhang is the minimum of either is 1.2 metres or 60% of the wheelbase (almost always 1.2M) . If it exceeds that you must have a warning signal visible during the day. Depending on the width of the handlebars on 4th bike on the rack you may need the signal to comply.
@DesignedandBuilt hey, thanks for the response. From what I could find, the maximum overhang in Vic, is 60% wheelbase, or 3.7m, the minimum of, with anything over 1.2m needing a flag or light. But more so that the rear overhang is measured from the rear axle. So while my limit on the Colly is around 1800 at 60% of 3080, most of that is used by the distance from the axle to the back of the tub and rear bar. After that it was like 200-400mm.
@@DesignedandBuilt all good mate - I’ll keep my eye out. Keep it in mind though, They would be perfect for pioneer flat racks above the tubs of dual cabs
Great work guys, wondering if you have considered some built in security for the travelling community. Security so they can't steal the whole rack and bikes and also just the bikes.
@ yeah I saw that. To clarify; how to open with bikes? :) well ok, I know your answer now. Its just that the backdoor is my main Equipment access point ;)
I have a bürstner shuttle vertical rack on the back of my barn door Fiat Ducato Van. I've got the horn for those crank holders. Is there a possibility I could buy just the crank holders. The vertical rack is T slot extruded alloy frame so connection should be easy. Shipping to Switzerland. Peace Pos
Love it! Hold on...can't replace a roof, vehicle is a write off?.... Panel beater here, replaced plenty rich sorry mate. But honestly nice work fellas and love what your about
Haha I'll let him know, we did have a mate that actually wrote off the car the roof damage was so bad so maybe we just extrapolated for drama, definitely a good narrative🤣
@DesignedandBuilt haha well it sure did grab my attention. Generally speaking roofs are just a skin with sika and spots and can be purchased as a skin from the parts dealer. To be written off the damage would need to be structurally un repairable through the pillers or chassis or the repair bill exceeds the vehicle value and then a repairable write off. You guys getting together for this project is awesome to watch and what a result! You guys should be really proud of what you produced and always so good to see produced like this develop from real world experiences and a couple aussie mates with an idea!
Amazing journey to create such a cool rack! Curious if you had any thoughts on the 1UP racks. Seems like it meet all of the design requirements you mentioned.
@@jordanhanash cheers Jordan! I have seen them, they look good. We tried to steer clear from any moving parts for longevity and weight savings! They have gone down a slightly more complicated path!
Great rack which I will purchase, I’m having same issue with caravan, nothing available which mounts on rear chassis as hanging on rear wall isn’t practical. Mounting onto front toolbox lid is too high for older Australians which camp. Do you have just the rack section 1500mm length?
the channels would need to be 1500mm long with hardware for channels. The rear bar mounts on caravan can be extended for these to bolt too but they must be continuous channel so as not to break
If your bottom bracket is higher than the crank holder there is no way any damage we can occur, if you have a low BB we have a spacer we sell as an accessory! Cheers
I have a 2 bike ISI rack. Can't beat the fold down mechanism for a wagon! I couldn't own a rack that didn't fold down, that would get super annoying on a trip.
I’m personally not into any racks that make contact with the frame as it is only a matter of time until it wears out the paint! Also quite like having a rack that is legal with integrated lights. I like the fold down mechanism idea and we have talked about doing something similar in the future!
@@DesignedandBuilt good on you boys for giving it a red-hot go. Just on the iSi rack, iSi eliminated the traditional contact issues that you've clearly encountered previously well over a decade ago. Essentially zero contact movement and high mass at the interface in conjunction with a unique vibration activating rubber developed by iSi and Australia's leading polymer laboratory. @michaelbarnett2077 and @bbggakkba you can relax and enjoy the journey guys. Same with lights - iSi light board or whatever hanging off the back - easy. Now to the issue you'll face over time Richard(s), is that crank holders that were popular on shuttles over a decade ago, kill BB bearings when made to stabilse a bike. Stationary BB balls will cause fretting under oscillating loads - which is one reason crank holders were eliminated from bike racks a long time ago. Give the test rig a go at 10Hz - 30Hz with fairly sharp load ramping and then give the bikes a pedal or two - you'll see what I mean. Anyway, hope it all goes well boys. I'm dig'n the energy.
What makes you say less versatile? Ours is legal with lights, easier to load, no moving parts and no frame contact as well! I would say more versatile!
I suppose versatility is very much in the realms of ‘opinion’; but as a 4x4er, the fact that you can choose the type of angle bracket (have more departure at expense of height), not being solely reliant on the crank and wheels to brace the bike, being able to pivot the rack down for the purpose of accessing the boot of the vehicle whilst the bikes are left on, modularity of wheel supports for fat bikes/ebikes, would be the main ones for me! On my car the lights sit below, the rack, but im not a standards expert so im not qualified to comment on legality! Although, for me that particular issue, doesn’t really relate to the functionality/versatility of the system.
For the record, I still think its a good and novel product, and better than 90% of the non-engineered, non-4x4 focused products. Plus competition in this space is only a good thing!
@@filjones4543 Hey Fil, I truly believe the crank holder is a better way to fasten the bike compared to the frame. I know multiple people who have done irreparable frame damage due to their bike racks. The pivot is interesting, I think we'll go with a swingaway option as it is easier to swing rather than actuate up and down especially with fully loaded ebikes. Ours isn't fatbike compatible yet, but it is a niche market and we are going after the masses first, its not to say it won't be in the future. E bikes will work though!
14:24 you welded perpendicular to the tube walls, a big no no. That bracket should be made from rhs aka not cold bent on a tight radius. The rhs is bent while the steel is molten
this is very nice, but there is not any rack on the market that you can install on a canopy for 4 bikes and it has kind elevator mechanism that you can easly slide from canopy 2meters high in to half of the car and get the bikes easily :)
@@DesignedandBuilt An already existing completely frameless contact bike rack that does everything this rack does plus includes a swing away and anti rattle bolt/pin setup.
They are great however they also have a worse departure angle, heavier, harder to store, sits above the roofline, harder to load, harder to fit number and lights Horses for courses! Room for both style of racks and it just depends which meets your needs better!
@DesignedandBuilt agree that they do sit above the roof line, but the departure angle of 2+ bikes stored horizontally would be greater than 1-6 bikes stacked vertically. You also have other benefits, such as no frame rubbing or ability to grab any of your bikes at a time. As for lights/numberplate holder. Light board similar to what you use for a boat works fine. Attaches to the rear wheels so it's roughly same height as vehicle lights too. Problem with difficulty loading (for the shorter people) would be resolved with a rear tilt option.
@@tenfeetwanderers774 Yes agree, the platform will have a better departure angle. We also don't have any frame rubbing, not quite true with a vertical as sometimes you have to load/unload from end to end depending on the sizes of a bike. Lightboard is an added hassle/thing to forget! The rear tilt option still requires a lot of heavy lifting and not everyone can physically do it. I have run vertical for years but stopped carrying more than 2 bikes when we all got our own cars, so platform suits me much better now especially given we are camping off road the majority of the time. Definitely cases for both!!!
3:20min in, covers the same experience I had in my jeep where having a horizontal frame between the ground and my bike saved me a set of expensive wheels at the least. Scraping the snot out of my rack was far far preferable to folding up my rear bike wheel going up to the trailhead. If I had an RV a vertical rack would get all my family's bikes up and out of the way while staying protected, but I'm really glad I had my Thule underbar to protect my bike on my short wheelbase YJ. Like he said, horses for courses imo too.
Are you planning to design a bike rack that can be installed on the side of a pickup bedrack, thinking about overlanding? Something like what you see in this video (minute 9:09 and 16 onwards) ruclips.net/video/IvcF-EWSXKI/видео.html
Are so we can blame you for those crap rangers lol 😆 But l will check out the rack for sure l have a motow that l modded to take two mtbs as well as the moto but good to see the R&D is out there to protect our 20 k price tag bikes
Exactly right, I have found it so interesting that people are willing to spend $20K on a bike and then build backyard carriers which don't look stable at all 😂
Great stuff, the more vic and aus made product the better. The only competing product I see is ISI, I see strengths and drawbacks in both designs but yours is by far a more refined system. I've got the ISI and I love it, but if I was in the market now I reckon i'd be going with this.
Cheers Brady!
Man that shaker rig looked brutal ! So cool hearing all the details in the design process, Awesome product guys.
Thanks guys! The shake rig testing was brutal!!
I really really appreciate your process and transparency, truly outstanding RUclips channel!
Even more so, as I very rarely would take the same path to your finished project. So it’s great to see a different approach and outcome from my natural perspective and progression.
@@jdenmark1287 thank you! Glad you enjoy it! It’s cool to see how everyone tackles projects differently.
Indeed, my dad was an engineered trained architect who also designed knockdown furniture systems, my oldest brother is a pattern maker who designs and builds fine furniture, and I used to design and build timber framed structures and systems; even though we are all related we approach and work on things completely differently.
Dudes this video is so freaking awesome as a case study for kids at school for so many aspects of the industrial arts curriculums in industrial technology design and technology and engineering.
And also my 7 yr old daughter that just won the yr 1 science and technology award at her school who has a rang of learning issues just lov d how you talk d about your failures and how you redesigned after each. Sh just loves designing solutions to problems. And at 7 has such an amazing ability to problem solve. And this video has inspired her so much. Thanks for an awesome video guys.
Richard you have really inspired my little motivated twins even more to be wanting to build their own 4WD Ute with their dad as their first car and they talk about building it as having quality time with their dad and as a single dad having girls that want to be involved in making their own special built car THEY have designed is just so awesome.
@@ShedtimE-q5y This is such a nice wholesome comment. I am so glad to be able to make content that enriches the lives of young children, very cool indeed. I am so stoked to have inspired your twins to build their own 4wd ute with you! Thanks for commenting, made my day!
Wow, a lot of work and R&D went into this, keeping it Australian Made is fantastic, Great result boys. 👍👍
Thank you!!! We're proud to keep it all made in Australia .
Awsome just put an order in
Thanks so much Robert! We're genuinely so excited by this!!!!!
That's an impressive rack design! One feature I particularly appreciate about my Rocky Mounts Rail is its stow-away position. When not in use, it conveniently folds up, minimizing the space it occupies.
Its interesting, we have legal problems with stowing away bike racks here in Australia and I have personally had a friend fined for leaving it on the car without a bike!
Legends! What a great thing for Australian manufacturing too!
Thanks Aiden. Proud to make it here!
I can't imagine what shipping to Canada would look like, I love this design! The only thing I would change is to make it foldable...for more parking clearance when it's not being used.
Not as bad as you may think. That's a fair point, we are opting towards swingaway but would love to get your thoughts on swingaway vs folding. Folding is great for leaving it on the car, however I think a lot of users are more likely to take it off and want access to the back while their bikes are on it?
@DesignedandBuilt for my situation fold away is more important, but on my van I'd prefer swing away for sure! I bet engineering them both in would be a huge PITA....lol
Love your work and your channel. Fantastic video explaining the design, prototyping, manufacturing, testing iteration cycle ... endless hours involved and brilliant product as a result. Can you please do the same hitch rack solution for dirt/adventure bikes?
Thanks Mike, I am currently work on one for a dirt bike. It is complicated offering for the adventure bikes as well given the extra weight. I think maybe we'll do the dirt bike carrier first and then launch adventure later! I have a few cool ideas either way which will make the user interface much nicer!
looks amazing guys well done!
Thank you, appreciate it!
Awesome video, I’ve been pretty happy with Yakima for about 7 years, however I wouldn’t trust my enduro to stay in place under bush bashing conditions. Product looks great!
Thank you!!!
Well done guys, Greta video and great to see all the work put in. Rich, always really interesting videos
Thanks Paul, appreciate the comment and the support! Cheers
incredible work guys this is A1 engineering
Cheers Mark!
love it richards , its bloody beautiful
Cheers Aaron!
how do you open a tail gate / lift gate being loaded? Went with the Kuat NV because it can also drop down to allow your gates to open and have access to the rear being loaded and you have a bike repair stand in one stand as well with the rack
Currently we you can't if it is loaded, the only option is to take the bikes off. We are working on something, but just wanted to get the base offering dialled first!!
Awesome insight into the inner workings of a genius mind!
He's a clever cookie thats for sure!
Nice work! I’ve built a few like this style but yours is next level!
Thank you!!!
Nice work Rich. I like the crank hold down design. I have a Thule platform rack which is a bike frame clamp style rack. It’s alloy and has a hinge, so I can lower a loaded rack to access the boot of the car. It’s fine for carrying 4 sub 10kg road bikes, but would collapse under the weight of several emtb’s or any high g whoops etc. So many variables, you can’t build a one size fits all. A bit like the bikes themselves!
Exactly right, there are so many product options on the market because everyone has different needs! Just like bikes themselves. Cheers Rhys, appreciate the support!!
I build a vertical rack to fit onto a swingaway i build forbmy 80 series. Its not up to gen 4 as it get modifietoto fit on our Oka and the tyre swing away i build for it. R&D is so interesting and hard work also.
Great looking build guys. Cant wait to see more.
@@rayjones3133 cheers Ray! It’s not easy and it tests your brain but that’s what we love about it!
el video con traducción creo que es de lo mejor que se le ha podido ocurrir - el producto es una maravilla felicitaciones. ojala pudieran habilitar la traducción para los videos de la construcción de la camioneta, nuevamente felicitaciones
Thank you!!!
any plans for a swing out carrier?
This is designed to suit a swingaway, we will consider developing something ourselves in the future!
Swing out would be awesome for my barn door Fiat Ducato van.
Yakima do a swing away, works great
Take a minute to enjoy this moment in your life boys. Hard work, achievement, reflect, be happy.
Thank you! It has been a journey thats for sure but we have enjoyed the ride 🙂
great work guys.
Thank you!
Man this is so cool to watch
Thank you!
Nice work guys. Sweeeeet!
Thanks mate!
Something that came to my mined is the materials your using in terms of elastic-plastic-failure. Is your welded areas are your failure areas due to dynamic loading, would you consider a spring hinge or shock absorber? Trucks trays use simple springs within floating plates to allow twist and shock to reduce stress. Your rack could have an adjustable spring / shocky to cater for the lever of 2 or 4 bikes
Hey Will, you are absolutely correct. Got a link to that application? I don't think I've seen anything like it before!
Hey Richard your video is absolutely amazing.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it, wasn't quite sure how it was going to do!
Love your work guys, love the engineering iteration. I stick to a 4 bike vertical as it extends the vehicle overhang less. I look forward to seeing the mx bike rack, I have the bike and ebay carrier too
Cheers Dillon!!! Horses for courses thats for sure. Thanks mate, we're onto it!!!
Very cool design! Suggestion for the elastic loop: If you mount it upside down in the T-bracket (with the ball down) it will be easier to keep it out of the way of the tires. When securing it you pull it around the bracket and the wheel and when you release it the elastic pulls itself back into the 'off-position'.
We haven’t had any issues with that, would you suggest you turn it around every time so it you can use the handle properly?
@@DesignedandBuilt My thought was to keep it always with the ball-end down and to use it pull the ball end up, wrap it around the T-bracket and the wheel and then lock it. If you release it the elastic will pull itself back around to the start position. I see now that this way might interfere with the tail lights....
Another great video, and product. Well done guys
Thanks Steve!
Huge congratulations!
Thanks David!
Never seen a rack look so good. Will have to paint my car sandy
Cheers Nick, time to get rid of the kettle!
@@DesignedandBuilt who doesn't love a coffee in the morning? Put your hands up? Add that to planet twisting torque and you've got a head snapping combo. Kinda like your serpentine belts... #uptheTD
When your TD sacks up to do the $1000, then come talk to me about belt setups. Until then all comments are null and void.
Having spent more money than I care to think about on bike racks, this seems like a great design. I've currently got fork mount roof racks, but my wife does struggle. These look like a good caravan option too as it could be mounted to a custom receiver on the a-frame (above the gas bottles perhaps)... I'd love to see some video updates as you sell more, I just can't commit to another bike rack right now... :)
Funny you got swooped while painting them though.... any cyclist can relate 😄
Cheers Mark, the swooping was classic! We will endeavour to develop an A-frame mount as well. Glad you like it, we'll keep posting video updates.
Looks awesome Richard and Richard 👌🏼😋
I’ve got an ISI rack on my Prado 120 and it’s great.. (made in Melbourne too)
but I’d buy yours if if came out 6mths ago (when I was shopping around for one)
Your rack if fairly priced too 👌🏼
Cheers Ben! Appreciate the feedback! I wish we had finished 6 months ago hahah.
@@DesignedandBuilt same here. Had to buy ISI mid last year for the 79 because nothing else with clearance and strength was available. If I knew both you and Murray were involved in this I would have waited and matched it sandy taupe!
Great work lads!! Wicked carrier; really filling a gap in the market. Be great if you adapted these to caravan and camper trailer applications too!!?? I especially loved the crank to secure the bike. So neat, so simple! Well done!
Thanks mate, we are absolutely planning on it. We figured we would launch and beef up our product offering over time!
Can you open the tailgate on Ute's without the bikes on? Doesn't seem to be the case. A swing away version would be great!
Hey mate, we are working on a swing-away but it will be a few months away. For now we would recommend using the Kuat swingaway which is compatible with our rack!
Can we have a swingaway please to fit a Troopy or other rear barndoor vehicles!
We’ll get onto it John! Hopefully not another 2 years. This would be compatible with a generic swing away.
was pleasantly surprised when I had a look at the pricing..........quite competitive I think. sadly I don't think I'll wear out my grip sport rack unless I change bikes where the cross bar will get damaged
Cheers Kelvin! We are aiming to be a competitor! If you do, give us a bell and we'll help you out!
20:29 did you not put crush tubes on those cap screws?
We did! Have a look at the final product.
Did you guys try out the 1Up racks from Washington, US? I personally would be worried about the rim and crank contact leaving wear marks versus the 1UP solution only touching the tires.
We have seem minimal crank wear through our testing! They are more likely to get scratched from your pedalling. We have never experience rim scratching, I think it is impossible with out setup! We have seen that but believe ours is more solid and quicker to load, ours also has lights and a number plate which are a legal requirement in Australia, and a pretty good thing to have for bike/vehicle safety!
@@DesignedandBuilt, thanks for the reply and I guess this is more suited to Australia, (which makes sense) in NA lights aren't required but not difficult to add on as I agree it's safer, this appears to mainly be just for MTB too.
Vintage mtbs are awesome
Haha saved from the rubbish bin!
Why not make some sort of padded seesaw cradle that holds the down tube of the frame?
Have it attach at that point with elastic bands and a shackle ratchet padlock that can secure the frame to the seesaw saddle. On the swivel point of the seesaw which would be a bolt and nut with no hex ends but rather a hole through the ends where the shackle ratchet lock goes through securing all together so it can’t be undone.
That way the weight of the bike is mostly secured centrally and not on the tyres. The tyres can still be secured with straps and would reduce the possibility of tyre tray supports breaking.
I think any sort of frame contact will lead to frame damage, it’s all good when they are both clean but putting a muddy bike on something like you are describing wears the paint out and it’s not ideal if you have an expensive bike!
Like a fancier version of the original grip sport rack. Looks good. How do you think carbon cranks would fare?
A few people have commented that, I have never actually seen one (had a good look on google this week.
Carbon cranks will be fine! We have been testing our inserts with mates road bikes without any issues!
I would assume there may be issues for those with cadence sensors mounted on the non-drive side crank arm. Did you address this in your design?
Yes we have encountered them with mates road bikes. We understand some just run them on one arm- which can be on the sprocket side. Some are also in the crank arm which doesn't affect loading. But if on both pedals then yes it won't load and pedal will need to be taken off when loading in rack.
Any plans to ship to the US?
@@kaiminalualan7138 we would have to look into the legalities. The good thing is the box is reasonably small so it’s not out of the question!
Love it. Great Video and great product. I develop products for the Australian 4wd aftermarket too and know how difficult and painfull the process can be, but also how incredibly rewarding it is too.
I do have a question though. You mentioned legalities. How did you get around the maximum legal overhang rules?
The research I did when looking into it found that barely any vehicles on the market today satisfy the 60% overhang rules with a bike rack, and of the dual cab utes, i dont think any did. My Colorado only has something like a few hundred mm at most.
Hey Mate, for Victoria the maximum overhang is the minimum of either is 1.2 metres or 60% of the wheelbase (almost always 1.2M) . If it exceeds that you must have a warning signal visible during the day. Depending on the width of the handlebars on 4th bike on the rack you may need the signal to comply.
@DesignedandBuilt hey, thanks for the response. From what I could find, the maximum overhang in Vic, is 60% wheelbase, or 3.7m, the minimum of, with anything over 1.2m needing a flag or light.
But more so that the rear overhang is measured from the rear axle. So while my limit on the Colly is around 1800 at 60% of 3080, most of that is used by the distance from the axle to the back of the tub and rear bar. After that it was like 200-400mm.
Any plans for a dirtbike carrier?
Working on it!
Well done
Thank you!
Any plans to make your crank holder available and set up in a way that it bolts to a pioneer rack?
Actually - that last crank holder would work just bolted with angle - any plans to sell them on their own??
Not at this stage, they only come with the complete product sorry!
@@DesignedandBuilt all good mate - I’ll keep my eye out. Keep it in mind though, They would be perfect for pioneer flat racks above the tubs of dual cabs
Great work guys, wondering if you have considered some built in security for the travelling community. Security so they can't steal the whole rack and bikes and also just the bikes.
Yes! The locking kit involves a lockable hitch pin which is the same key as the crank holders!
Can you guys build a dirt bike rack carrier?
How do i Open my Trunk then on my wk2?
Did you see 8:05? With the bikes off the trunk can open!
@ yeah I saw that. To clarify; how to open with bikes? :) well ok, I know your answer now. Its just that the backdoor is my main Equipment access point ;)
@@HestabyFR Correct, we have something in the works but we just launched with the basic product offering!
I have a bürstner shuttle vertical rack on the back of my barn door Fiat Ducato Van.
I've got the horn for those crank holders.
Is there a possibility I could buy just the crank holders.
The vertical rack is T slot extruded alloy frame so connection should be easy.
Shipping to Switzerland.
Peace
Pos
Not at this stage! Glad you like the design though 🙏🏼
Love it! Hold on...can't replace a roof, vehicle is a write off?....
Panel beater here, replaced plenty rich sorry mate. But honestly nice work fellas and love what your about
Haha I'll let him know, we did have a mate that actually wrote off the car the roof damage was so bad so maybe we just extrapolated for drama, definitely a good narrative🤣
@DesignedandBuilt haha well it sure did grab my attention. Generally speaking roofs are just a skin with sika and spots and can be purchased as a skin from the parts dealer. To be written off the damage would need to be structurally un repairable through the pillers or chassis or the repair bill exceeds the vehicle value and then a repairable write off.
You guys getting together for this project is awesome to watch and what a result! You guys should be really proud of what you produced and always so good to see produced like this develop from real world experiences and a couple aussie mates with an idea!
Will it fit my 27.5x4.0 tires?
The wheel channel is 75mm so unfortunately not! Not out of the question to develop something that could if there was enough interest!
Amazing journey to create such a cool rack!
Curious if you had any thoughts on the 1UP racks. Seems like it meet all of the design requirements you mentioned.
@@jordanhanash cheers Jordan! I have seen them, they look good. We tried to steer clear from any moving parts for longevity and weight savings! They have gone down a slightly more complicated path!
Does the rack fit bmx and kids bikes? Cheers
We have tried 20" and up, the smaller bikes don't fit onto the stretch loops,
Great rack which I will purchase, I’m having same issue with caravan, nothing available which mounts on rear chassis as hanging on rear wall isn’t practical.
Mounting onto front toolbox lid is too high for older Australians which camp.
Do you have just the rack section 1500mm length?
Just the channels with no hitch receiver?
the channels would need to be 1500mm long with hardware for channels.
The rear bar mounts on caravan can be extended for these to bolt too but they must be continuous channel so as not to break
Looks awesome. Plans to expand the design for caravan A-frame drawbar mount?
In the future we will!
That's great Richard.
Nice work fellas. I really like the taillights, do you mind sharing what they are?
Hey mate, they are unique to our bike rack and only come with the complete product sorry!
Hahaha, no worries mate! Not in the market for a bike carrier unfortunately. I have my own adv bike rack I made and need new lights for.
Could this possibly destroy your bottom bracket or frame around that area?
If your bottom bracket is higher than the crank holder there is no way any damage we can occur, if you have a low BB we have a spacer we sell as an accessory! Cheers
Interesting rack. I'm really not into crank holder style racks though. Very happy with my ISI over this one, but good work on this one
I have a 2 bike ISI rack. Can't beat the fold down mechanism for a wagon! I couldn't own a rack that didn't fold down, that would get super annoying on a trip.
I’m personally not into any racks that make contact with the frame as it is only a matter of time until it wears out the paint! Also quite like having a rack that is legal with integrated lights.
I like the fold down mechanism idea and we have talked about doing something similar in the future!
@@DesignedandBuilt good on you boys for giving it a red-hot go. Just on the iSi rack, iSi eliminated the traditional contact issues that you've clearly encountered previously well over a decade ago. Essentially zero contact movement and high mass at the interface in conjunction with a unique vibration activating rubber developed by iSi and Australia's leading polymer laboratory. @michaelbarnett2077 and @bbggakkba you can relax and enjoy the journey guys. Same with lights - iSi light board or whatever hanging off the back - easy. Now to the issue you'll face over time Richard(s), is that crank holders that were popular on shuttles over a decade ago, kill BB bearings when made to stabilse a bike. Stationary BB balls will cause fretting under oscillating loads - which is one reason crank holders were eliminated from bike racks a long time ago. Give the test rig a go at 10Hz - 30Hz with fairly sharp load ramping and then give the bikes a pedal or two - you'll see what I mean. Anyway, hope it all goes well boys. I'm dig'n the energy.
Yeah, the crank arm holders will, at least, cause cosmetic damage. Never put carbon crank arms into any rack that holds the bike by the crank arms.
@@eurowner they won't on ours mate! We have tested carbon cranks extensively with no issues.
Great work, but isn’t this just like a ISI Bike Carrier but less versatile? (Also locally made in Vic!)
What makes you say less versatile? Ours is legal with lights, easier to load, no moving parts and no frame contact as well! I would say more versatile!
I suppose versatility is very much in the realms of ‘opinion’; but as a 4x4er, the fact that you can choose the type of angle bracket (have more departure at expense of height), not being solely reliant on the crank and wheels to brace the bike, being able to pivot the rack down for the purpose of accessing the boot of the vehicle whilst the bikes are left on, modularity of wheel supports for fat bikes/ebikes, would be the main ones for me!
On my car the lights sit below, the rack, but im not a standards expert so im not qualified to comment on legality! Although, for me that particular issue, doesn’t really relate to the functionality/versatility of the system.
For the record, I still think its a good and novel product, and better than 90% of the non-engineered, non-4x4 focused products. Plus competition in this space is only a good thing!
@@filjones4543 Hey Fil, I truly believe the crank holder is a better way to fasten the bike compared to the frame. I know multiple people who have done irreparable frame damage due to their bike racks.
The pivot is interesting, I think we'll go with a swingaway option as it is easier to swing rather than actuate up and down especially with fully loaded ebikes. Ours isn't fatbike compatible yet, but it is a niche market and we are going after the masses first, its not to say it won't be in the future. E bikes will work though!
14:24 you welded perpendicular to the tube walls, a big no no. That bracket should be made from rhs aka not cold bent on a tight radius. The rhs is bent while the steel is molten
@@NapalmBikes unfortunately tube laser is expensive and you can’t always get the sizes you want, sometimes laser and fold is the only solution!
Can I buy the crank holder separately
Sorry Tony, we're not offering it separately at this stage!
Need an adapter for fat bike tires
Crossing My fingers for a high clearance Motorbike Carrier 🤞🤞🤞
On it 😏
Rear dirtbike carrier next?
@@Dagnatic working on it!!
Cant find the link to the website
doumacarriersystems.com.au/ Hope that works!
this is very nice, but there is not any rack on the market that you can install on a canopy for 4 bikes and it has kind elevator mechanism that you can easly slide from canopy 2meters high in to half of the car and get the bikes easily :)
Not yet!
Not bad….! What’s the over hang?? Different rules for different states.
Thanks mate, all the specs are on the website. IT differs between the 2 and the 4 bike version!
Awesome product and vid! How come aussies use 100s of MM instead of CM? Just curious, we use inches & meters so makes less sense I know 🤭🤣🇨🇦🇦🇺
Hahaha no real reason, looking back while I edited it I realised I probably should have said 2.1 metres but couldn’t be added refilming it 😂
It looks great and very jealous of colour matching.
But rocky mounts backswing....
It’s a cool feature! What’s rocky mounts backswing sorry?
@@DesignedandBuilt An already existing completely frameless contact bike rack that does everything this rack does plus includes a swing away and anti rattle bolt/pin setup.
@@adventuresofwombat Ahh doesn't look like its super easy to mount lights or a number plate! We also have an anti rattle bolt setup :)
Shame it doesbt have a pivot so you can access the back of thevwagon while the bikes are loaded.
Check out 8:05, you can quickly take the bikes off with this design to access the back of the wagon!
Remove all your 90 degrees and change them all to curves! Simples!
Sounds good in theory but not quite as easy or cost effective to make!
Lots of R&D. Vertical bike rack is still a lot more practical. Less overhang, much easier to get your bikes off the back, can fit more bikes, etc.
They are great however they also have a worse departure angle, heavier, harder to store, sits above the roofline, harder to load, harder to fit number and lights Horses for courses! Room for both style of racks and it just depends which meets your needs better!
@DesignedandBuilt agree that they do sit above the roof line, but the departure angle of 2+ bikes stored horizontally would be greater than 1-6 bikes stacked vertically. You also have other benefits, such as no frame rubbing or ability to grab any of your bikes at a time. As for lights/numberplate holder. Light board similar to what you use for a boat works fine. Attaches to the rear wheels so it's roughly same height as vehicle lights too. Problem with difficulty loading (for the shorter people) would be resolved with a rear tilt option.
@@tenfeetwanderers774 Yes agree, the platform will have a better departure angle. We also don't have any frame rubbing, not quite true with a vertical as sometimes you have to load/unload from end to end depending on the sizes of a bike. Lightboard is an added hassle/thing to forget! The rear tilt option still requires a lot of heavy lifting and not everyone can physically do it. I have run vertical for years but stopped carrying more than 2 bikes when we all got our own cars, so platform suits me much better now especially given we are camping off road the majority of the time. Definitely cases for both!!!
3:20min in, covers the same experience I had in my jeep where having a horizontal frame between the ground and my bike saved me a set of expensive wheels at the least. Scraping the snot out of my rack was far far preferable to folding up my rear bike wheel going up to the trailhead.
If I had an RV a vertical rack would get all my family's bikes up and out of the way while staying protected, but I'm really glad I had my Thule underbar to protect my bike on my short wheelbase YJ.
Like he said, horses for courses imo too.
You should call it an equipment rack on your invoices and lots of people would buy them as a tax write off 😜
😂😂😂 open to it
High clearance is only two bikes 😂
The Adventure bike rack also features a rise in the hitch! The touring has more rise given the extra length behind the car.
Caravan version??
On the to do list!
just one issue you can't open the boot
With the bikes off you can open the boot, check 8:05!
Are you planning to design a bike rack that can be installed on the side of a pickup bedrack, thinking about overlanding? Something like what you see in this video (minute 9:09 and 16 onwards)
ruclips.net/video/IvcF-EWSXKI/видео.html
You clearly love your bikes. Just gotta sell 1M units now.
Hahah that would be the dream! Tell your friends 🤣
Well done to the Dick team ;)
Haha thanks mate!
Unfortunately, Du ma means something entirely different in Vietnamese.
Hah! It's named after Richies family name!
Is this clickbait or did it really take two whole years and 17 attempts to make a bike rack?
It did take 2 years and 17 attempts if you include the small running changes! Have you watched the video?
Are so we can blame you for those crap rangers lol 😆
But l will check out the rack for sure l have a motow that l modded to take two mtbs as well as the moto but good to see the R&D is out there to protect our 20 k price tag bikes
Exactly right, I have found it so interesting that people are willing to spend $20K on a bike and then build backyard carriers which don't look stable at all 😂
Tidy rack
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It’s amazing, but I’m not $1000 into it. Geez
Thanks mate! It is more costly to get it made locally that’s for sure, but proud to have it all made in Australia!
Just build a trailer 🤦♂️
To transport bicycles? I don't think everyone has room for a trailer. A rack is genuinely a pretty good option!