Departure Of German Air Force May Deal Blow To New Mexico Town

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  • Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024

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  • @victornderu143
    @victornderu143 4 года назад +851

    Did everybody get this recommend in 2020??

    • @blueboats7530
      @blueboats7530 4 года назад +20

      I did, at first I assumed this was a current development, and nope

    • @marinetech262
      @marinetech262 4 года назад +9

      Same here. Just popped up today.

    • @piknick111
      @piknick111 4 года назад +6

      Hi, 2020 called.

    • @jungleno.
      @jungleno. 4 года назад +15

      Makes me want to see a follow-up video.

    • @mrdude4528
      @mrdude4528 4 года назад +3

      Same but I'm a New Mexico resident so it may have been targeted towards me.

  • @jcdenton6074
    @jcdenton6074 4 года назад +415

    So I did some research and it seems MSgt. Milner now is an accountant living in California with a wife and daughter. If you happen to read this, well done on accomplishing your dream, Mr. Milner!

    • @davedaihatsu2585
      @davedaihatsu2585 4 года назад +35

      You got to love his shoulder patch too! "Gums and coffee" on a Starbucks logo. I mean, how cool is that!?
      Oh, and I found him here!
      www.burkeycoxcpa.com/all-team/steffen-milner.html

    • @jcdenton6074
      @jcdenton6074 4 года назад +14

      @@davedaihatsu2585 can't live without guns and coffee!

    • @davedaihatsu2585
      @davedaihatsu2585 4 года назад +3

      @@jcdenton6074
      You sure it isn't "Gums and coffee"? ;P

    • @jcdenton6074
      @jcdenton6074 4 года назад +9

      @@davedaihatsu2585 its guns. i have the same morale patcy

    • @useryggfdcc
      @useryggfdcc 4 года назад +2

      @@davedaihatsu2585 Pretty cool you could him.

  • @ottovonwolf7144
    @ottovonwolf7144 4 года назад +148

    I’m a German and to this day I didn’t know that there was a German military base in the US

    • @sven7639
      @sven7639 4 года назад +4

      Das passiert, wenn man nicht über den Tellerrand hinaus schaut

    • @xcofcd
      @xcofcd 4 года назад +3

      Am Flughafen Washington Dulles ist auch eine kleine deutsche Basis.

    • @LEO-rx9ox
      @LEO-rx9ox 4 года назад +9

      We didn’t know you guys were even here lmao till now

    • @ottovonwolf7144
      @ottovonwolf7144 4 года назад +6

      museack it isn’t written anywhere but it was interesting to find out about it!

    • @ottovonwolf7144
      @ottovonwolf7144 4 года назад +1

      moinmoin Ja ich hab mich jetzt ein bisschen informiert darüber. Es gibt wahnsinnig viele außen posten des Militärs vor allem in den USA. Da gibt es ne gute Liste im Internet :)

  • @SigmaSheepdog
    @SigmaSheepdog 4 года назад +360

    I was a police officer stationed in neighboring Las Cruces NM and I was able to meet a lot of the German Luftwaffe members over the years. Really cool people.

    • @KuostA
      @KuostA 4 года назад +2

      How were they?

    • @SigmaSheepdog
      @SigmaSheepdog 4 года назад +8

      @@dirtnap5885
      Regretfully I never made it to one of the Octoberfests, however, I was assigned to patrol the airshow at Holloman AFB every year and I would stop by their hangars and visit with them.

    • @terrysullivan1992
      @terrysullivan1992 4 года назад +3

      @@dirtnap5885 Good luck getting any Germans or Americans to grow and harvest your food, or wash dishes, or clean houses and hotel rooms, or take care of your garden, or much of the lowest level menial jobs.

    • @dirtnap5885
      @dirtnap5885 4 года назад +7

      @@terrysullivan1992 I grow my own food and shoot and clean my meat. I was raised to clean everything I own with pride because I earned it. Anything else? If I need any advice from a beta I'll look you up. Now you can fuck off can't ya?!

    • @joaeronaldo8357
      @joaeronaldo8357 4 года назад +3

      Dirt Nap lmao I doubt you do any of that you lil beta bitch lmao

  • @thudthud5423
    @thudthud5423 4 года назад +205

    Imagine telling the account of the German Luftwaffe operating out of New Mexico to people back in 1942. Imagine the looks of horror..
    But, its great that when two enemies become friends and their bonds of friendship far surpass their enmity.

    • @crimpycook3273
      @crimpycook3273 4 года назад

      Thud Thud nah dude nah

    • @crimpycook3273
      @crimpycook3273 4 года назад +3

      Thud Thud just watch Europa the last battle and you’ll see....

    • @ehanoldaccount5893
      @ehanoldaccount5893 4 года назад +7

      Thud Thud They we’re friends long before enemies, honestly it was Wilson’s corruption and greed paired with the Kaiser’s arrogance which led to any turmoil between the countries.. Without WW1 and the massive propaganda campaign, as will as constitutional violations, America would still be very German; be it German is the largest ethnicity in America.

    • @CassCassCassime
      @CassCassCassime 4 года назад +1

      @@crimpycook3273 N... Wh... Europa the last battle? You do know the way that is presented and the facts it cites aren't just "The alternative side", it's straight up Nazi propaganda? As in, the actual story the National Socialists adopted in order to promote nationalism in both Weimar and the actual nazi regime... You know that right?

    • @roadhouse6999
      @roadhouse6999 4 года назад +1

      AND ITS THE END OF THE LINE, IT'S THE FINAL JOURNEY, ENEMIES LEAVING THE PAST!

  • @alanaldpal950
    @alanaldpal950 4 года назад +514

    Not to get political, but I wish more young Americans had this appreciation for America.

    • @rbspider
      @rbspider 4 года назад +54

      I watched a PragerU video two days ago where they asked Young Americans in Los Angeles if they were proud to be Americans and you can guess their answers. I would bet they would all call the president a racist. The one young man who loved America was an immigrant. . Watch Russian figure skaters or RG athletes . They are proud, compete for their country and sing the national anthem when they win. You don't see that from democrats. They hate this country.

    • @rbspider
      @rbspider 4 года назад +9

      @@arvedludwig3584 That didn't edit the responses . Name a media that isn't propaganda

    • @alanaldpal950
      @alanaldpal950 4 года назад +12

      @@arvedludwig3584 That's Hilarious. What country are you in? Do you really think publicly funded broadcasts are not biased? I am sure the publicly funded broadcasts in the former Soviet Union and current Russia, as well as China, Cuba, and Venezuela are 100% honest and accurate. Our own NPR in the USA and the BBC in England is as terribly biased. And what is wrong with allowing anyone (including Nigel Fafange) to speak? Are you one of those that are afraid of ....... Ideas and free speech?

    • @Xpistos510
      @Xpistos510 4 года назад +1

      I'd agree.

    • @Xpistos510
      @Xpistos510 4 года назад +1

      @OceanBlue As a fairly liberal guy, I can't say I agree with that assessment. Many on the Left certainly are uncomfortably unpatriotic, but that's more of an exception than a rule.

  • @24YOA
    @24YOA 4 года назад +119

    "The sun is shining, it is warm"
    *TRASHCAN MELTING IN BACKGROUND*

  • @hammer6238
    @hammer6238 4 года назад +178

    A bunch of fine folks, I’m sure they will be missed.

    • @dew02300
      @dew02300 4 года назад +3

      Ron Lindsey They'll be back.

    • @earlwyss520
      @earlwyss520 4 года назад +4

      If the Germans are anything like the British, they consider our beer to be all a kin to Pabst Blue Ribbon AKA pi$$ water.

    • @ChrisK312
      @ChrisK312 4 года назад

      Well, in germany there is a high chance that we call the beer from the neighbouring town catpiss.

  • @riphaven
    @riphaven 4 года назад +197

    God bless him, he's more than welcome.

  • @calebmacmoyer4450
    @calebmacmoyer4450 8 лет назад +186

    Ah that stinks. I liked the Germans in Alamogordo.

  • @jyotirmayamohanty5723
    @jyotirmayamohanty5723 4 года назад +89

    As friends Germans are loyal and as adversaries Germans are brave.

    • @johntaylor-lo8qx
      @johntaylor-lo8qx 4 года назад +5

      Proud to stand beside you my friend. We here in NA need to stop living beyond our means. I absolutely love Germany and the way of life there. Bigger isnt better. Happiness shld be the benchmark for success. God Bless this world in these unusual times. We will need it.

    • @heleng4528
      @heleng4528 4 года назад +1

      @kustjagara 😂

    • @slashusr
      @slashusr 4 года назад +1

      Hmmm...that may well be true. Americans, the British, and Germans do hold a great deal in common--not least of which is a Protestant work ethic that made our countries great. Having said that, I would draw your attention to Tacitus, the Roman historian (d. 120 CE) whose love for the Germans bordered on the obscene but who wrote of them (in "*Germania: De origine et situ Germanorum*" [paraphrased]): "If you *do* manage to knock a German down, stand on his neck; for if you let him up again he will surely be at your throat once more."
      Our love of Germany kept us from using atomics against them first, importing and employing their scientists (Operation Paperclip), rebuilding their country (Marshall Plan), protecting them from Russia for 70 years (NATO), and spearheading their re-unification (the great Ronald Reagan).
      I've liked every German I've met, and I've met quite a few--until certain topics are raised, then, meh, not so much.

    • @jyotirmayamohanty5723
      @jyotirmayamohanty5723 4 года назад

      @@slashusr Robert, I admit Germany carried massive genocide in Russia but EVERYBODY forgets that during 1930s SOVIET anarchists persecuted GERMAN origin MENNONITE farmers in Ukraine and Siberia. Many escaped barely to NORTH AMERICA and CANADA.
      Even these people were not allowed to leave USSR.
      You can refer book : PATH of THORNS by JACOB NEUFELD.

  • @jeremiahchriste6623
    @jeremiahchriste6623 4 года назад +197

    You only think the American military being stationed in Allied countries, but not Allies being stationed in the USA.

    • @derkernspalter
      @derkernspalter 4 года назад +22

      @@sd9967 Like this www.burkeycoxcpa.com/all-team/steffen-milner.html although it's pre Covid-19.

    • @armandorios6793
      @armandorios6793 4 года назад +2

      Yeah I don’t think USA needs any help defending lol

    • @derkernspalter
      @derkernspalter 4 года назад +19

      @@armandorios6793 Since you somehow did not get it, let me tell you that they were actually there for training purposes only. And you did not get the part where they told us that the city did financially profit from them being stationed there.

    • @thepiratepenguin4465
      @thepiratepenguin4465 4 года назад +4

      @@armandorios6793 It is a training ground, not a combat station. It so that the Pilots can get experience working & living in a dry, hot place. Which is in preparations for mission in the middle east.

    • @armandorios6793
      @armandorios6793 4 года назад +1

      S D we can’t be raided period your dumb we don’t need anyone else here is all I’m saying we are more then capable of defending homeland

  • @donaldwalls5809
    @donaldwalls5809 4 года назад +107

    I had a feeling he was going to stay ,the key word was I feel more free here , hope he can stay.

    • @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM
      @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM 4 года назад +5

      @pyrotechnic5254 : Yeah just like most of the western world. It's not just "Murca"

    • @key310GT
      @key310GT 4 года назад

      ADAM STEELE In Germany you often have to own a dagree if you want to start a company

    • @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM
      @THE-BUNKEN-DRUM 4 года назад

      @@key310GT : HA Gutted mate. Anyway I said most, not all.

  • @fnln544
    @fnln544 4 года назад +48

    Master Sergeant (hauptfeldwebel) Milner, Your Luftwaffe service is, to me, respected; New Mexico will, I can only assume, miss the air force...and a genuine Octoberfest!
    Your genuine enthusiasm for America is nice. Best regards with your girlfriend and becoming a permanent resident and, if you desire, a citizen. It would be interesting to follow your continued life in the United States. Blessings. An army lieutenant colonel.

  • @Xpistos510
    @Xpistos510 4 года назад +40

    I love Germans. They're great people.

    • @LentPanic7
      @LentPanic7 4 года назад

      Until they get drunk and political, then they’re even more fun!!! 😂 😂 😂

  • @bigberd3680
    @bigberd3680 4 года назад +27

    Ww2 US vet: *sees German jet in the US* "wait did we win or lose?"

  • @stevesloan7132
    @stevesloan7132 4 года назад +21

    Good for you Sgt., and welcome!

  • @jnichols3
    @jnichols3 4 года назад +132

    MSGT. Milner has been here so long he has almost completely lost his accent.

    • @brittonstokes
      @brittonstokes 4 года назад +15

      Most Germans that have extensive education in English have pretty minimal accents. Wir lieben die Deutschen hier und ich wünschte, es würde mehr nach Amerika kommen. Achtung alle Deutschen: bitte wohnen Sie in Nashville, Tennessee.

    • @jnichols3
      @jnichols3 4 года назад +11

      When he said, "You know", we can figure he, you know been here a while.

    • @bronzeguy9839
      @bronzeguy9839 4 года назад +2

      Yeah, not really. A lot of English-speaking Germans near U.S. bases in Germany sound the same.

    • @brittonstokes
      @brittonstokes 4 года назад +3

      museack no you

    • @ChristianLamine
      @ChristianLamine 4 года назад +1

      ​@@brittonstokes I visited Nashville on my trip to Tennessee back in 2017. I absolutely LOVED it there! What an AMAZING town. Music everywhere in downtown! And even the recreational quarter of Nashville beats that of Memphis by LENGTHS! I wish I just could resettle there...

  • @thomascalahan8494
    @thomascalahan8494 4 года назад +36

    🇺🇸🇩🇪❤ 🍻🍺 We will miss you all!!

  • @phx4closureman
    @phx4closureman 4 года назад +79

    3:42 *THIS GUY GETS IT!!* Hate to loose him. I'd rather HE and others who think like him STAY, and we GET RID OF some other so-called "Americans" instead!!*

    • @irvan36mm
      @irvan36mm 4 года назад +3

      But he wants to go to a university in California- a liberal state.

    • @duradim1
      @duradim1 4 года назад

      Damn straight.

    • @COVID-cm4rn
      @COVID-cm4rn 4 года назад +1

      California is a beautiful state its just that the liberals turned it into trash.

    • @kafon6368
      @kafon6368 4 года назад +1

      @FoxIslanderSteve There are californians, or rather I say, mexicans waving mexican flags in protest of who fucking knows what and one of the politicians who had the photo on his instagram has photos of militant black revolutionaries, not just MLK. Yea but WE'RE the ones with hatred right?

  • @shawnadams1965
    @shawnadams1965 4 года назад +8

    We worked with them on a daily basis when I was stationed at Fort Bliss in the 80s. Good people and always had a beer or two to trade.

  • @Snarge22
    @Snarge22 4 года назад +33

    Had Germans training at George AFB by Victorvile California back in the 1970s training on F-4 Phantoms they owned. My impression back then was they really liked their stay in the SW USA.

    • @williamhudson4938
      @williamhudson4938 4 года назад +2

      I was at George AFB from late 1978 to mid 1982 with the 561st TFS and remember the Germans flew German-owned F-4Es under the 20th TFTS. They wore the same paint and tail codes (GA) as the rest of the jets, except the 37th TFW Wild Weasels which had tail code "WW".

    • @aumarigan
      @aumarigan 4 года назад +1

      Good weather for an all year round training for German Air Force.

    • @nachobroryan8824
      @nachobroryan8824 4 года назад +2

      I'm sure they did since it's also fun for Americans to be stationed in Europe.

    • @Rhaspun
      @Rhaspun 4 года назад +3

      I think many people from other countries enjoy their time here. I have a friend who works at a steel cable manufacturing plant. The company is from Japan and the company rotates in the engineers from Japan every few years. My friend told me that the engineers will drive anywhere around the country when taking a vacation. The plant is in Northern Cal and these engineer will drive to Disney World in Florida. They drive to Chicago. They drive to Washington DC. One of the engineers told my friend that they have to do this as they don't know if they will get another chance to see the US like they do by driving around. Without exception all of them enjoyed their time here.

    • @Snarge22
      @Snarge22 4 года назад

      Great story@@Rhaspun! That's taking advantage of quite an opportunity for sure. What a way to get a feel for this size of this country considering they come from an Island nation.

  • @danieldunlap4077
    @danieldunlap4077 4 года назад +19

    Ran into the luftwaffe when I did a Detachment with the Navy in 2011 at Fallon Nevada. Damn those guys can drink.

    • @danieldunlap4077
      @danieldunlap4077 4 года назад +8

      @@arvedludwig3584 funny you should mention that because when we got to the barracks we were staying at for our three-week detachment, the Germans were unloading beer by the case out of a van to take up to their rooms. We were warned to not try to out drink them because we would lose

    • @WAJK2030
      @WAJK2030 4 года назад +5

      We start at age 16. 5 years more experience. ;)

    • @Rabascan
      @Rabascan 4 года назад +5

      @@danieldunlap4077 I know for a fact that a couple German units have private emergency beer supplies in stock. At least, my old unit did.

    • @ChrisK312
      @ChrisK312 4 года назад +1

      Oh yeah, we drank a lot of beer in the Panzercorps

  • @farzet3937
    @farzet3937 4 года назад +68

    Maybe once those Super Hornets arrive in Germany, they can continue training there without worry

    • @bigboots6114
      @bigboots6114 4 года назад +8

      contract is up and they are gone

    • @johngalt2506
      @johngalt2506 4 года назад +3

      @@bigboots6114
      If anything they'd probably just rotate some planes and people through Fallon NV.

    • @farzet3937
      @farzet3937 4 года назад +13

      AcidBot66 Please? They are replacing the Tornado, a attack orient aircraft to a similar yet more productive Fighter/Attacker jet, bedsides they need at least one type of aircraft capable of carrying the B61 Air-launched Nuclear Bomb. There isn’t any pressure at all it just that those Eurofighter Typhoons are lacking within the Attack role and they chose an aircraft accordingly to plug that gap, Germany is still buying Typhoons but they are not shy on admitting that the Typhoon has it’s limit. There isn’t any pressure, it’s just common sense to replace something outdated with something similar in terms of role and usage.

    • @farzet3937
      @farzet3937 4 года назад +3

      AcidBot66 Old? The first Super Hornet came out around 1995 while Typhoon was 1994, by aircraft standards that is not old at all, aircraft can last 20+ years and still be considered not old. Besides, Germany is looking to get the latest model of Super Hornet Block 3, 2017 tech.
      For example, the first Iphone was release in 2007, now you wouldn’t exactly compare nor say that the current 2020 Iphone SE to be the same with the one from 2007 right? Things improve and things have something called VARIANTS
      As much as there is no enemy willing to nuke Germany, what’s wrong with a Nuclear Deterrent to prevent that Nuclear War. Also you talk like you represent Germany but in fact Germany itself is the one ordering those planes and not you, The Germans are smart indeed.
      I also forgot to mention that they are looking to buy 45 of the latest Super Hornet and packaged together with the EA-18 Growler Electronic Warfare Aircraft, a type of aircraft that they will lose if they retire the Tornado without looking for a replacement.
      They need these types of aircraft to plug the gap and ensure Germany can still stay peaceful. Again, they aren’t completely ditching local brands for something American, they are still ordering 90 more Eurofighter Typhoon adding more to their vast stockpile of local made planes.
      The one’s calling the shots are the German Ministry of Defense and not you so you can’t just say Germany doesn’t deserve or need those planes.

    • @farzet3937
      @farzet3937 4 года назад +1

      Arved Ludwig (Respond to your second comment) Yeah but oddly enough, its incompatible with the B61 Nuclear Bomb, which they specifically require to have at least one model of plane capable of launching it. Also I added more in my second comment regarding electronic warfare.

  • @BettyBettyBoBetty
    @BettyBettyBoBetty 4 года назад +35

    we have quite a few Military personnel stationed in the US too ( Australia)

    • @BettyBettyBoBetty
      @BettyBettyBoBetty 4 года назад

      @VolDep45 allies forever

    • @BettyBettyBoBetty
      @BettyBettyBoBetty 4 года назад +1

      @mdo686 yeah I admit ....it's a worry, (the Kurds as an example)

    • @julieinthenorthwest4594
      @julieinthenorthwest4594 4 года назад

      When I was stationed at Schofield Barracks (25th ID) the division had an Aussie Capt (not CPT as we in US Army abbreviate it) as an S-3 OIC (He was RAE running the Combat Engineer Bn S-3). Heck we even had an exchange program where a company of infantry (with attachments from arty, engr, MI, medics) would exchange with the same from Australia. Flew into Brisbane, trucked to Canagra (pretty sure I misspelled that) for jungle warfare, then to Liverpool (Holsworthy Barracks), and then was invited to Canberra, ACT by an Aussie reserve medic and his mother. A couple us took a bus from Sydney to Canberra.
      Sorry to mentioned this but we even did some clubbing in Kings Cross. :) The guys thought I was American Navy and surprised to hear I was US Army.

    • @BettyBettyBoBetty
      @BettyBettyBoBetty 4 года назад

      @@julieinthenorthwest4594 it's OK Americans and Australians are basically kissin' cousins anyway :)

  • @avoidingtrees560
    @avoidingtrees560 4 года назад +4

    AS A FRENCHMAN, I FELT THE SAME.MORE FREE , WITH LESS STATE INTERVENTION IN MY LIFE.I WAS IN LOVE WITH AMERICA.
    CHEERS FROM FRANCE AMERICA

    • @avoidingtrees560
      @avoidingtrees560 4 года назад

      daAnder71
      WAS LIVING IN HOUSTON TEXAS FOR 5 great years.WAS BEING COVERED BY MY COMPANY FOR MY HEALTH CARE , AND WILL GO BACK ANYTIME IF I COULD.

    • @cliftonjames785
      @cliftonjames785 4 года назад

      @daAnder71 you've never actually LIVED in the united states, have you? I have and it's nothing like what you said lol

  • @skiprussell2606
    @skiprussell2606 4 года назад +25

    Germans are Ingenious hard-working people, we could use more like this. Immigrants with something to offer. He even speaks English.

    • @elbucho8867
      @elbucho8867 4 года назад +6

      Many Americans today are descendants of german immigrants, but most are unaware.

    • @ehanoldaccount5893
      @ehanoldaccount5893 4 года назад +2

      MR. KARATE The whole constitutional violations of president Wilson bind with the failings of our education system are kinda responsible.. Its a damn shame more German Americans don’t recognize their heritage, they have arguably had the largest impact of America.

    • @coleball6001
      @coleball6001 4 года назад

      Eh, An old account What about Americans of English descent? Like Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Lincoln.

    • @ehanoldaccount5893
      @ehanoldaccount5893 4 года назад +3

      Cole Ball What about them? We learn about them and spend an entire English class learning about them on top of history classes, and I find it great be it it’s our history. But we should learn transparently, especially considering Germans are the largest group in the US. You learn about Washington, but what about Von Steuben or all the German regiments that helped us win our independence. What about the fact that 10 percent of the union army during the civil war was made up of Americans who were born in Germany, with more American born German fighting on both sides. What about the Texas Deutsche, the Germans who settled the mid west and those who settled the North.. What about our culture that stems from theirs, like Christmas.. Simply due to a war we fought for the bankers and a propaganda campaign most Americans don’t even know they are German, much less their own history.. That’s all im saying..

    • @elbucho8867
      @elbucho8867 4 года назад

      Eh, An old account all the immigrants who come to America lose their cultural identity eventually, except Hispanics because more of them come over constantly.

  • @Ashfielder
    @Ashfielder 4 года назад +10

    The first time the Luftwaffe’s dealt a blow to a town since 1945.

    • @dunamoose3446
      @dunamoose3446 4 года назад +2

      Bruh

    • @m1a2abrams52
      @m1a2abrams52 4 года назад

      Unless you count Argentina jets in the 50s

    • @swunt10
      @swunt10 2 года назад

      They bombed the shit out of Serbia in the 90's so..^^

  • @greg19498
    @greg19498 4 года назад +41

    Me:
    RUclips: Here is a video of a German guy leaving the Luftwaffe for his American girlfriend and awesome weather. Also there are cool Tornado jets. Narrated by an Australian guy for some reason. Take my upvote.

  • @mattteee2973
    @mattteee2973 4 года назад +28

    I'm from the UK and was lucky enough to visit the US(Arizona) through my work in 2011. What this guys says about freedom is absolutely right, not having to seek permission or worry about being reported for trivial things is a huge culture shock, but feels amazing!
    As soon as I'm no longer allowed to drive an ICE powered car I'm applying for asylum in the US haha

    • @taylorc2542
      @taylorc2542 4 года назад +1

      What kind of stuff would they nit-pick you on? I know there's way more public land, but like what feels more free?

    • @mattteee2973
      @mattteee2973 4 года назад +7

      @@taylorc2542 Well the whole concept of public land completely blew my mind. The idea that you could just turn up somewhere and ride your dirtbike/atv or shoot guns without paying someone or registering somewhere. Pursuing a hobby without immediately having the police turn up because someone detests the sound of others having fun.
      That being said the amount of police cars around Phoenix, even on seemingly quiet roads, had me permanently on edge haha
      Also the food definitely tastes better, and you aren't taxed into overpaying for something thats deemed unhealthy.
      This is making me want to go back!

    • @jdee8407
      @jdee8407 4 года назад

      @@mattteee2973 There's that much regulations over there?

    • @mattteee2973
      @mattteee2973 4 года назад +2

      @@jdee8407 yup. Imagine your typical grumpy old man, yelling at kids in the street for no reason. Thats the UK's national pastime!
      Even now I'm stuck indoors on this lockdown, for some reason I can't go for a drive without risking a fine from the police.

    • @2ndarmoredhellonwheels106
      @2ndarmoredhellonwheels106 4 года назад +1

      You'll be welcome here

  • @94Whiskey
    @94Whiskey 4 года назад +4

    I didn't even know such a program exist... Safe travels to our German families... God bless

  • @brilwiljeff
    @brilwiljeff 4 года назад +45

    The luftwaffe has been bombing new Mexico?

    • @steppib.4598
      @steppib.4598 4 года назад +11

      Yes, since 20 years! 😜

    • @tesoro7788
      @tesoro7788 4 года назад +4

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂... you caught me off guard with that...

    • @MrRugbylane
      @MrRugbylane 4 года назад +1

      Coronavirus brought you here too?

    • @leefithian3704
      @leefithian3704 4 года назад

      That’s great

    • @florianthomas7852
      @florianthomas7852 4 года назад

      I wish they would!

  • @Wildsurf52
    @Wildsurf52 4 года назад +3

    How have I never heard of this before? This is so cool!

    • @ehanoldaccount5893
      @ehanoldaccount5893 4 года назад +1

      Our education system kinda ends history after the vague explanation of Vietnam, we really lack education on a lot of topics

    • @ehanoldaccount5893
      @ehanoldaccount5893 4 года назад +1

      museack Have you been to a public school in America?

  • @jorgerp86ify
    @jorgerp86ify 4 года назад +1

    Not sure why I was recommended this video but I served in Holloman AFB back in 2009. I was thrilled to work with the GAF back in the day!

  • @stenbak88
    @stenbak88 4 года назад +16

    The USA is so free that even Germany military servicemen say Germany just doesn’t feel free comparatively

    • @danscar5277
      @danscar5277 4 года назад +9

      stenbak88 and the only way to understand the difference is living or coming from another country. “The grass always appears greener on the other side.” I wish every American child or person gets the opportunity preferably to live, work and / or visit (at the least) a foreign country that they can assimilate, digest and understand like a few of us have. It’s the only way I learned what it is being American with the good and the bad.

    • @ryanromes7084
      @ryanromes7084 4 года назад +2

      @RollinRat you say all of the left left "hates" America and so do our news. that's not true. where I live most of the people who are left love America sure there are some bad things in it. but that's with every countrythere a slim amount of people on BOTH sides that hate america

  • @jbgood7694
    @jbgood7694 4 года назад +2

    I went to Holloman AFB in November 1995 for a border monitoring mission using our AH-64 Apaches from 3/101 Attack BN, Ft. Cambell KY. The Germans were flying F-4E's. I also enjoyed watching the stealth fighters and QF-106's.

    • @MajinOthinus
      @MajinOthinus 4 года назад

      As far as I know, Germany only ever operated the F-4F.

  • @gibu002
    @gibu002 4 года назад +4

    I got this recommended in April 2020. How did this turn out??

  • @JimHabash
    @JimHabash 4 года назад +5

    It made sense from a German standpoint to practice here daily unhindered operations, however we will miss them. The Germans and the Brits in my American company are my favorite work friends, some I am still close with.

    • @davidcadman4468
      @davidcadman4468 4 года назад

      It was the same in Canada for immigrants from Europe in the 40's and 50's. When the Canadians turned their backs on us, the old enemies stuck together. Along with the Native Canadians and Metis, who were equally despised by the so called friendly Canucks. Name calling and getting beat up, was common, into the early 60's.

    • @JimHabash
      @JimHabash 4 года назад

      @@davidcadman4468 wow, had no idea

  • @peten6445
    @peten6445 4 года назад +1

    This is the type of person we want in America. A person who is happy and want to find the American dream. I hope he is able to get his visa.

  • @daleeasternbrat816
    @daleeasternbrat816 4 года назад +15

    I can't believe the British quit flying these beautiful and very effective aircraft. I think they used the money to buy F-35s. I Knew the son of a former German POW who became an American citizen after WW2. The reason he gave is that " America is nothing at all like Germany"" People are free here." He also flew for the U.S. Air force in Korea. Certain Germans still have the real attitude that makes an American .

    • @stupidburp
      @stupidburp 4 года назад

      They were well used and loved but worn out, had to go.

  • @SemiED
    @SemiED 8 лет назад +12

    Too bad! I enjoyed the time in Alamogordo!

  • @paulpowell4871
    @paulpowell4871 4 года назад +8

    I hope that Lad was able to stay and make a life for himself

  • @BillyN31
    @BillyN31 4 года назад +1

    Amazing to think my grandfather fought their grandfathers. Glad we’re allies now.

  • @dinosoarskill17
    @dinosoarskill17 4 года назад +1

    I think the people of US need to really evaluate what the German soldier says and really take pride and try to hold on to the freedoms that we do have as Americans. I feel honored being in a place where people can feel like that.. I think it's very much taken for granted.

  • @rockbay79
    @rockbay79 4 года назад +1

    I was stationed at Holliman AFB NM during Sep 1988 - June 1991. Before the Germans arrived. It was my favorite assignment during my 20 year Active Duty career. The weather is outstanding!!!!!!!

  • @rickhale4348
    @rickhale4348 4 года назад +7

    If only Americans would be in love with America for the reasons this young German is. I've read early immigrants to America were 60% German. Always thought it was Irish or Italian were the largest groups but it was Germans.

  • @keithrees4755
    @keithrees4755 4 года назад +1

    ty for your tour my fellow german bros and sis's don't forget to take some u.s. food recipes that you enjoy home with you and introduce them to the rest of your fellow german family countrymen us u.s. bros and sis's going to miss you guys being here on u.s. soil your always welcome to come back rather it be vacation or if you want to live here in the u.s.

  • @freddymarcel-marcum6831
    @freddymarcel-marcum6831 4 года назад +10

    "We defeated the wrong enemy"
    General Patton

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 4 года назад

      eh russians are pretty chill too now. If you ever played CSGO with them lmao.
      But yeah the Chinese mainlanders are pretty godawfull. Not the imigrants but the mainlanders that would tk you the moment you get paired up with them in a video game.

  • @rickhattersley2801
    @rickhattersley2801 4 года назад +1

    What a breath of fresh air, that guy. Stick around, my friend. Marry your sweetheart and have dozens of kids. The welcome mat is all yours.

  • @georgewashington938
    @georgewashington938 4 года назад +4

    I have driven through the Alamogordo, White Sands, Cloudcroft area, and it is beautiful (didn't know there was a German unit there). Being able to live there and have a good job would be great. Except for the AFB and White Sands missile testing, there are not many economic opportunities.

  • @phx4closureman
    @phx4closureman 4 года назад +38

    0:22 4:48 *LOVE THAT PATCH!!!* lol betcha Starbucks doesn't, though!!

    • @infectedvector
      @infectedvector 4 года назад +1

      I was at Cannon AFB in Clovis NM from 1984-1986 (F-111D 523 TFS Crusaders). I love that Luftwaffe patch also. So cool and so rare.

    • @infectedvector
      @infectedvector 4 года назад +1

      The starbucks patch is not that rare. t shirts and patches easy to find. The Luftwaffe / NM patch is not.

    • @infectedvector
      @infectedvector 4 года назад

      gadsdenandculpeper.com/products/3-guns-and-coffee-patch
      here ya go...

    • @willisix2554
      @willisix2554 4 года назад

      @@infectedvector i was at cannon '78 to 81, and did not know i was having a great time

  • @decodeddiesel
    @decodeddiesel 7 лет назад +12

    That is a real shame.

  • @shagwellington
    @shagwellington 4 года назад +1

    I didn't know about this. It is great. Sorry to see them go. Wish I had gone to Octoberfest. I agree with him about San Diego.

  • @earlwyss520
    @earlwyss520 4 года назад +8

    The same thing happened to communities in various countries, Germany included, all over the world when the US started shutting down overseas bases. Landlords who had rented to US servicemen and their families for decades, saw their livelihood dry up overnight.

  • @polycarphunter2257
    @polycarphunter2257 4 года назад +12

    I was stationed at Holloman 71-72 and I remember seeing the German pilots training there. they really like the weather, the large areas and bombing and gunnery range. there was a small community of Germans living there back then. I was always confused about their ranks. didn't know if I was saluting a German officer or NCO.

    • @maxbrandt6
      @maxbrandt6 4 года назад +6

      Same here! Eventually someone was kind enough to post a Luftwaffe rank chart at the base post office and other places.

    • @derkernspalter
      @derkernspalter 4 года назад +3

      Haha, you might have mistaken an Obergefreiten (airman 3rd class) for a Captain, because he wears 2 stripes on his shoulders. :P

  • @anonymousdevildog1406
    @anonymousdevildog1406 4 года назад +1

    I had no idea we had a German base in the USA. I totally support this - I hate to see them go. Such a great ally. Wish the Germans would return. Bring over the British also.

  • @koshersalaami
    @koshersalaami 4 года назад +27

    Will they come back to train on super hornets?

    • @jimfowler5930
      @jimfowler5930 4 года назад +8

      Now THIS would be wonderful!! Ein gutter Vorschlag; hoffentlich!

    • @irvan36mm
      @irvan36mm 4 года назад +5

      I think they should.

    • @derkernspalter
      @derkernspalter 4 года назад +3

      Well that actually is a great idea. The infrastructure is still there.

    • @koshersalaami
      @koshersalaami 4 года назад +9

      Germany has just committed to a whole lot of F18 Super Hornets, so this makes sense. They’ve got to train somewhere and the American southwest is a great place to train over land without disturbing a lot of people.

    • @HingerlAlois
      @HingerlAlois 4 года назад

      Definitely not as a permanent deployment of fighter jets.
      The German Air Force (and Navy) had once 359 Panavia Tornados, the number of F-18s/EA-18s Germany is purchasing is only 45 thus really not enough for deploying them to the USA.
      Additionally Germany also buys 90 new Eurofighter Typhoons, some of them replace the oldest Typhoons which don’t have all the capabilities of the current versions.
      Of course German pilots still train in the USA with T-38 Talons and other training airplanes.
      The German Air Force also participates in exercises in the USA, e.g. this year 8 Eurofighter Typhoons and 8 Panavia Tornados participated in Red Flag at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.

  • @darthslackus499
    @darthslackus499 4 года назад +22

    N Korea: "Is air-base up for rent?"

    • @clayz1
      @clayz1 4 года назад +1

      Genghis Kong They’d slip in a few ICBM’s if they had a chance.

    • @darthslackus499
      @darthslackus499 4 года назад +3

      @@clayz1 Well, it would certainly fix their biggest hurdle: crossing the ocean to reach America. lol

    • @gurkslunga
      @gurkslunga 4 года назад +2

      @@darthslackus499 the problem for North Korea is that they have to guard the gates of the base on the inside. Otherwise the base will be empty as soon as the planes with the crews and their groundpersonnel has landed.

    • @darthslackus499
      @darthslackus499 4 года назад

      @@gurkslunga They're used to that. On N Korean submarines, there is a continuance of regularly meat-fed commandos so I've heard. Their purpose? To keep the captain and crew from going rogue and defecting. No Red October for N Korea!

  • @airtexaco
    @airtexaco 4 года назад +1

    My first base in the Air Force has the Germans there training on the F-4E. When the base closed, they moved to Holloman. I love Germany! I love the people! It is good to hear they enjoyed their time here. Of course they travel, I grew up in the desert. Never going back... great training environment. And not much else.

  • @apegues
    @apegues 4 года назад +3

    Had the Germans training with us at Luke AFB flying the F-104s in the 70s and early 80s

  • @andraslibal
    @andraslibal 4 года назад +2

    Southern NM has some small towns they even have Oktoberfest. Some really nice places on the drive from White Sands to Carlsbad.

  • @1anonymousb
    @1anonymousb 4 года назад +1

    MSgt Milner's plan the opposite of what I wanted to do. I was hoping to get stationed in Germany, learn the language and my way around, and stay there after I got out. Never got the chance, unfortunately

  • @campboundodyssey
    @campboundodyssey 4 года назад +1

    so interesting. I had no idea this was happening here in New Mexico.

  • @1sttvbn
    @1sttvbn 4 года назад +11

    Love those flecktarn desert camo’s

    • @1sttvbn
      @1sttvbn 4 года назад +1

      daAnder71 Thank’s “Dick Smoker”...that’s singular, not plural.

    • @ehanoldaccount5893
      @ehanoldaccount5893 4 года назад

      I prefer the woodlands Flecktarn

  • @kingbaldwiniv5409
    @kingbaldwiniv5409 4 года назад +6

    I remember the Germans at the Bataan Death March at White Sands.

    • @fausterking4383
      @fausterking4383 4 года назад

      King Baldwin IV
      Your comment doesn’t make any sense. my Pilipino grandfather is one of the Bataan death march prisoners from Bataan to
      camp O’ Donnell Tarlac, Island of Luzon PHILIPPINE. I don’t remember him mentioning marching all the way to White sand Nevada, U S A??? Haft way around the globe. but maybe you are suffering from dementia for being just too Old. And besides that happened around 1942 just wondering how old were you then?and How old are you now? If you still remember.😉

    • @kingbaldwiniv5409
      @kingbaldwiniv5409 4 года назад +1

      @@fausterking4383, I assume that the wink indicates the comedy!
      Seriously though, I first trained for the Bataan Memorial Death March in 1997 at New Mexico Military Institute. I tore back muscles during a PT test and had to put off until later.
      My great uncle was captured at Bataan and was also held captive by the Japanese. My family said that he was never the same afterward.

  • @wdwerker
    @wdwerker 4 года назад +3

    Why is this popping up so many years later ? RUclips is slipping badly.

  • @kofirey6752
    @kofirey6752 4 года назад +4

    Food for thought. The country Germany is the same size as the State of New Mexico.

    • @WIRRUZZZ
      @WIRRUZZZ 4 года назад

      Yep, and has twice the population of California.

    • @kofirey6752
      @kofirey6752 4 года назад +1

      @@WIRRUZZZ
      And half of the population is not German except when it is convenient!

    • @WIRRUZZZ
      @WIRRUZZZ 4 года назад

      @@kofirey6752 I don't quite understand what you are saying.

  • @akillerpacman1709
    @akillerpacman1709 4 года назад +2

    The Germans are a fine and respectable people in my opinion. They were feared enemies in both world wars and fought on way longer then most could’ve. Now they’re our allies and they’re great by our side too. Hope we never have to fight them again. And it warms my heart that he loves his girlfriend enough to unenlist and stay in a country he’s learned to love. He speaks English well too I know it’s taught and is a popular choice for students. They teach it there but I’m not sure if it’s like Spanish here where most (including me) have a poor understanding of it. Wish there were more people coming to America like that.

    • @sven7639
      @sven7639 4 года назад

      we learn English from the fifth grade, no choice, later you can choose between French and Russian, if you want a 12 grade (Abitur), you also have to learn Spanish and Latin in the last two years. Then you are allowed to study at a university! sounds like a lot of fun
      Kindergartens started using native speakers years ago so that foreign languages can be learned before primary school, the children learn much faster at this age, so you can say that almost every 5-year-old grows up with two or three languages.
      maybe that's why we don't understand lazy people with poor education

  • @ashutoshsharmash
    @ashutoshsharmash 4 года назад +1

    Einze, Zwei, Drei!
    Honestly, its the best thing to hear German.

  • @Tr00p4
    @Tr00p4 3 года назад

    I was stationed in Reston VA with the German Armed Forces. It was awesome there. I made a lot of friends there. Thanks Amerika, for this nice experience!

  • @TheSpacetrucker72
    @TheSpacetrucker72 4 года назад

    Who would give this a thumbs down?? I served in Berlin Germany and absolutely loved it! I know the feeling of experiencing a different country like these guys are! We love our German friends ❤!! Godspeed Luftwaffe!!

  • @danielb516
    @danielb516 4 года назад +2

    That's kinda insane 151 million for 5 years to rent a base ....pretty steep

    • @danielb516
      @danielb516 4 года назад

      @museack cant be much diffrent from the airport I've rented space at ...tie down fees or hanger fees .....typical hanger is 350$ for a little plane a month so say there paying 40k a month for some building then some other incidentals at say 200 grand a month . Say 3 buildings like that so let's say 120k plus 200k for incidentals .....mmmm call it 500k a month still only getting 30 million ...yeah that's steep .as a pilot and owner of a small plane I'd like to state that infrastructure supporting aircraft isn't all that extensive . Tools a place to park and a fuel truck ....I mean am I missing something

  • @GopherBaroque61
    @GopherBaroque61 4 года назад

    I was stationed at Holloman AFB twice. From May 1982 to December 1983 and again from January 1988 to November 1990.

  • @jimfowler5930
    @jimfowler5930 4 года назад +13

    Schade, tut mir Leid! Ich wuste nichts. Tschüß!! Our loss, great ally.

  • @michado75
    @michado75 3 года назад

    I was a lover of F-14 Tomcat and F-15 Eagle.
    But now.... I like the Dassault Rafale and the Saab Gripen...
    Very beautiful aircrafts.

  • @allstar930
    @allstar930 4 года назад +3

    I hope the homie realized his dream. I was stationed in San Diego with the Navy and it's a dope town for sure. For me? I finally took a trip to Germany last year and immediately wanted to spend the rest of my life there. My wife vetoed me, lol.

    • @WIRRUZZZ
      @WIRRUZZZ 4 года назад

      someone else postet this link: www.burkeycoxcpa.com/all-team/steffen-milner.html
      Looks like he's made it.
      Glad you've enjoed Germany, was ther anything specific you liked? I've been living here all my life and I have the feeling I've seen very little of it, maybe there's something new for me to check out once this whole virus situation is over . . .

  • @RIchardDavidson007
    @RIchardDavidson007 4 года назад +1

    I'm Puerto Rican and a little Italian US citizen by decent. But, I don't know why I love Germany so much.

    • @RIchardDavidson007
      @RIchardDavidson007 4 года назад

      @museack No, Their are many trait's a Puerto Rican may have. One is no fear which I learned thru my mother. Also if you look at history. The Medal of honor was one by nine Puerto Rican Islander's over most other ethnic nationality's. But, you ask as if you yourself may know more on the subject. Well, hope your view of Hispanic's as not been limited.

  • @user-pp3jo6zm6u
    @user-pp3jo6zm6u 4 года назад

    I’ve been at Holloman for 2 years and it sucks to see them leave

  • @golfhacker9051
    @golfhacker9051 4 года назад

    He sounds like me when i first visited Australia in '86 went back to UK then came back in '88. Not left..... and boy the sun shine's...

  • @timmyjones1921
    @timmyjones1921 4 года назад

    A Dang Good Thing & As Always Since Childhood I'm The Last To Know & Hear About It . I'm In San Diego , CA Now been here since Feb ' 2013 Paradise In America.

  • @zachdefrates9002
    @zachdefrates9002 4 года назад

    those iron crosses give me some chills

  • @Exodon2020
    @Exodon2020 4 года назад +3

    0:24 That Squadron Sigil on the Jet looks awesome though.

  • @oldtimehockey7324
    @oldtimehockey7324 4 года назад

    Master Sergeant Millner. Welcome to America. This is the type of immigrant we want and need.

  • @Novagunner
    @Novagunner 4 года назад +2

    That German is more American than some Americans haha

  • @zambimaru
    @zambimaru 4 года назад +1

    I had no idea the Germans had a Base in the US. Cool.

  • @robertphillips6296
    @robertphillips6296 4 года назад +2

    This just showed up in my recommend videos here in April 23, 2020. If this report is true than this is not news, but is in fact history.

  • @dreadpiraterobertsii4420
    @dreadpiraterobertsii4420 4 года назад +1

    I’m not American or German but why did this make me really sad

  • @elli003
    @elli003 4 года назад +2

    Shoot, make a deal in one of San Antonio's AFB's. The Luftwaffe will love the German Culture in the Texas Hill Country.

  • @kazumasakamoto5669
    @kazumasakamoto5669 4 года назад

    0:13 are we not gonna talk about how cool that engine is

  • @BlueonGoldZ
    @BlueonGoldZ 4 года назад +2

    I'm really happy that Msgt. Milner decided to stay in the U.S. I love his views on the U.S. and our freedom. I just looked him up on Facebook and he looks like he and his wife are having a blast.

    • @hansteichmann
      @hansteichmann 4 года назад

      He should back in the Reich with a German woman having German children to help keep the garbage out that Merkel brought in!

  • @whitedovetail
    @whitedovetail 4 года назад +1

    So does anybody know if all the Germans have left New Mexico and who has taken over the infastructure that was left behind?

  • @jtcool8162
    @jtcool8162 4 года назад +3

    3:38 the joy of America. Man he said perfect what so many kids my age don't understand. Just because it's a democracy doesn't make it the US. There is a lot of "free country's" in Europe that don't meet the US Constitutional freedom. Tho relatively speaking they are very free countries so that is great.

    • @jtcool8162
      @jtcool8162 4 года назад +1

      "Those who would trade essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither.". True but sad

    • @jtcool8162
      @jtcool8162 4 года назад +1

      Lol the drive on the highway thing is actually very funny. props man I am rotfl. I don't disagree that Germany is a great place. I was merely saying a believe the USA takes a step higher in terms of liberty. But nothing to argue about over the internet

    • @jtcool8162
      @jtcool8162 4 года назад

      @@arvedludwig3584 that is a cowardly response. And fails to see the point. If I was endangering other people then I am now a public danger and there for I wouldn't be allowed to do it. And no I rather pay the price of freedom today then the price of tyranny tomorrow. How did it turn out for your country when u gave up your guns to the Nazis to stop gun deaths???? U traded liberty for security and u ended up with neither. And it took the USA winning the war and Then the Cold war to give it back to u. You are probably pretty glad ....

    • @jtcool8162
      @jtcool8162 4 года назад

      @@arvedludwig3584 Nazis strength the law is same places loosened it in others and then stripped Jews and other "dangerous groups" of guns. Exactly the point. U didn't have the right to arms before Hitler there for u didn't have it during Hitler. The Nazis also disarmed the population of every country they occupied. U proved my own point trying to disprove my point.

    • @jtcool8162
      @jtcool8162 4 года назад

      @@arvedludwig3584 u are going in circles. There is a reason I said it was nothing to argue about over the internet.... Because u just posted 4 paragraphs of something that irrelevant. The majority of people didn't know what was happening. I don't believe an armed German population would have stopped Hitler. I do believe I us Constitution would have.

  • @duradim1
    @duradim1 4 года назад +4

    I hope it worked out for him.

    • @WIRRUZZZ
      @WIRRUZZZ 4 года назад

      Looks like it: www.burkeycoxcpa.com/all-team/steffen-milner.html
      (somebody else in the comments here found it)

  • @jackhuffman9313
    @jackhuffman9313 4 года назад +1

    i’ve been at the el paso air port during thanks giving when it was full and heard no english or spanish speaking people only dutchland

  • @alfalegionnaire3451
    @alfalegionnaire3451 4 года назад +1

    We want the Luftwaffles back. You guys seem friendly.

    • @WIRRUZZZ
      @WIRRUZZZ 4 года назад +2

      "Luftwaffles" nor sure if typo or intentional, but I like it!

  • @asherswing
    @asherswing 4 года назад

    nice report

  • @Gorilla_Jones
    @Gorilla_Jones 4 года назад +1

    I had no idea the Luftwaffe was in the states!

  • @HwE-ic7tp
    @HwE-ic7tp 4 года назад

    Live right by the German school, they got a badass Tornado jet up in the space museum too.

  • @CHMichael
    @CHMichael 4 года назад

    Wow do they still work?

  • @deezynar
    @deezynar 4 года назад +3

    The Walmart there had German food brought in, I wonder if they had Volkswagen sausages.

    • @deezynar
      @deezynar 4 года назад +2

      @daAnder71 The one I named. Is that too complicated for you?
      Stop calling B.S. when you see something that you know nothing about, and look it up instead.
      BTW, the sausage is part number 199 398 500 A.

    • @MajinOthinus
      @MajinOthinus 4 года назад +1

      Given that it's mainly sold at the factory, I doubt it.